P9 - D'Souza vs. Hitchens - Freedom Fest 2008

[Domzdream]

DeSouza lying his ass off as usual. Ergh! Is it just me that thinks he makes the skin crawl?

[Seigu007]

@Domzdream youre just upset your atheist pal got ass raped

[Domzdream]

@Seigu007

Pfff....By DeSouza? Never. The shameful thing is....

Poor DeSouza can argue for the possible existence of god (ie wishful thinking), but he's still left there holding his micro-duck in his hand, without the possibility of actually proving his premise.

Hitchens on the otherhand can prove everything he proposes, abcked up by fact.

Remember: wanting something to be true doesnt make it real.

[Seigu007]

@Domzdream You hate God ,and that’s what drives you here. Why aren’t you over on the flying spaghetti monster forum tirading against them? I’ll tell you why,it’s because you are what’s called a “scared believer”. A hypocrite that wears the mark on his sleeve like an open wound. The only person you’re kidding here is yourself.

[Domzdream]

@Seigu007

Er....

how can I fear something I KNOW doesnt exist. Flying Spagetti Monster is just a parody for all you religious 'tards.

Even if I did believe in this god of yours (which isn't real by the way), I'd still HATE this fucker. Here's an example: god sending out the devil from a person into some innocent pigs. Is this moral? of course it isn't. What-? The poor dope didnt have the strength to teleport them back to hell? Get real. He's unable to? Weak.

Also, he says its' ok to have -

[Domzdream]

@Seigu007

-have slaves and rape women of any age (including children who are virgins) as spoils of war. He's ok with that.

Would you be? I hope not.

This isnt lave, man. This isnt moral. And it certainly isnt god-like.

So you're either A) completely immoral, B) evil, C) you obviously havent read the bible.

Look, I probably know the bible better than you, so dont try to challenge me cause I'll slap you around with your own religion, and I'll rub your nose in it.

[Domzdream]

@Seigu007

I could say, Hitch does the ass-raping. BUt that would be insulting to Hitchens. Nah, he MAKES DeSouza take out his own Ding Dong, insert it inside his own starfish, and does a sort of jedi/Hitch mind trick making DeSouza ass rape himself.

Sorry. I know this sounds puerile....

I shall proceed to facepalm my own self...(SLAP!)

[anastasia2657]

Leave it to Hitchens to defend th eMuslims. Everyone's his friend except Christianity. Does he know how obvious he is?

[Azuresong]

@anastasia2657 lol

[anastasia2657]

Good grief. Seventeen million? Well, why stop there? Why not one hundred million?

[anastasia2657]

Hitchens is nothing better than a drunken bum, and yet, they all love him.

[vasculogenesis]

This whole debate is a bit embarrassing really. It is the intellectual equivalent of pitting Mike Tyson against... well D' Souza in a boxing match. But instead of a swift KO, we have to watch D'Souza receive Hitchslap after Hitchslap.

[sgunsgun2]

Eternal torture awaits anyone who questions god's infinite love.. lol.

[amfipolis]

Roman empires are religious from start to finish. Pontifix Maximus was a religious post held by emperors.

[CloverCATOREE]

JUST ANSWER THE DAMN QUESTIONS THAT PEOPLE ASK YOU DINESH AND STOP TRYING TO ANSWER A QUESTION WITH A QUESTION. ITS SO ANNOYING

[preemptivestrike20]

@CloverCATOREE His analogies in other debates are even more annoying. 

[keithhickson]

As if it wasn't enough for D'Souza to be thoroughly owned by Hitchens, an audience member has to step up and get some ownage on D'Souza as well. Will someone please take D'Souza back to the looney bin where he, Forrest Gump, and Sling Blade can play paddy-cake while they drool all over each other?

[Cougar139tweak]

Hey Dinesh....The Roman empire was defeated..... the Monglians...... defeated, NOW for those pesky Christians and Muslims...........

[fredriknorand]

D'Sousa is good at debating, but Hitchens still tells the truth here.

[TheWanderingAngel]

@fredriknorand - I would say he is really good at pretending he's good at debating.

[esiosan]

When Dinesh speaks about freewill anyone who have taken introduction to philosophy rolls eyes!

[eugdog106]

great point by dinesh at 6:40, how can you blame the crimes commited by EXPLICITLY atheistic regimes like the marxist soviet union on religion?

[mishalalibhutta]

am i the only one who thinks that D'souza is an asshole

[slaughtersaults]

gengis kahn did his wars in the name of him self and supposedly as a god Dsouza is such a dumbass

[greatnewsnetwork]

This is so easy to prove that Jesus existed...all you need is a calendar.

[BunWackettBuzzard]

@greatnewsnetwork

You mean the roman calender? The same calender who Julius Caesar in 55 BC added his name to (July)? The same calender who Augustus Caesar added his name to (August)

All a calender proves is that the Romans thought of a way to measure the year for harvest time.

But a simple statement like your statement would have no trouble figuring this out. LOL

[Domzdream]

Er. We are not all made free to make choices. Did Marry debate with god wether she wanted a child inside her? No. She was informed of it.

By the way, you have the burden of having a kid for the rest of your life.

No choice was given.

Danesh, you dick-slap!

[JScarper]

Cheetah running after rabbit, he says. Haha I made him look stupid therefore I win. QED, atheismics.

[eugdog106]

at 0:00 look at dinesh's smiley face.

[landonwilliamsbrazil]

Htichen's defeats his own defense for free will by advocating killing as an acceptable reaction against monotheism, which is totalitarian by nature, and inhibits free will. He has imposed his own version of totalitarianism and is restricting free will by claiming that a person may choose freely anything other than monotheism. The other option: choose monotheism and be killed justly.

[bonfirejovi]

lol milton friedman, i bet that name strikes fear into hitchens' trotskyist bones

[Floridanon407]

@bonfirejovi You do realize that Hitchens rejection socialistic ideologies today and embraces capitalism?

[bonfirejovi]

@Floridanon407 i was under the impression that he was a libertarian socialist which sounds exactly like marxism to me.

[bonfirejovi]

if we are so free then how come we go to hell if we dont believe in what he says? dinesh is just plain stupid. an intelligent person would never make such a statement.

[dramageddon]

"The laws of physics are deterministic"

Oooh, sorry Dinesh, go back and re-sit Quantum Physics 101...

[Seigu007]

@dramageddon Typical atheist kook - Your Slothful Induction is meaningless in the scientific as well as the logic arena. Maybe you should pick up a physics textbook sometime before running off at the mouth with diarrhea again.

[awsomewinecone]

Dinesh isn't intelligent, Hes merely well read and knowledgable, and knows many things, except his logic fails

[wilyMD]

So D(ouche)'Souza's final statement is to say that without the benevolent direction of the christian god he is an morally confused animal with no consciousness, i.e. he would kill and steal without a thought to the second? More so, he is professing that he didn't even read all Christopher's book because this accusation is prevalent in it. Obviously this is an atheist's main attack on the religious: does a person by default really need to be INSTRUCTED on individual rights?

[ggaabbee11]

Yes, Dinesh, you can tell a cheetah not to chase a rabbit, just not using human language. That's just how dogs, cats, monkeys and many other animals have been tamed.

[iconsareus]

I'll bet anyone who reads this that Christopher Hitchens has massive skidmarks in his underwear.

[janzaproductions]

@iconsareus

hahaha... wow

[gskowal]

"freedom where you can say no to GOD" ... except that when you say no to GOD you will burn in hell for eternity. Doesn't it remind you of a dictatorship? Example, living under Husain's rule. You say yes to Husain you life is spared, but when you say no, he hangs your ass. Is that really freedom?

[srb00]

@gskowal What you're saying is retarded.

It's like you're standing out in the cold being invited to a warm house by a guy you hate and you decline by saying "no! i won't go in there because I hate him! either he goes out and lets me in, or I will stay here and die of cold!"

[gskowal]

@srb00 , SRB will you go into Hitlers house if you are a Jew cause it's warm inside?

[gskowal]

Dinesh as usual does not want to answer the question cause he knows he is wrong.....

[tigeruby]

I highly doubt D'Souza's intelligence - just very much so. He seems deluded with the fact that our "sad" world is littered with "secular empires" and is so immature and whining in his rebuttals - what the "fuck" is up with his whimpering tone when addressing arguments counter to his own? His desperate lemur-like mental musings reek of potholes and blatant rationalization.

[JohnAdamCulligan]

An Irish Catholic Jew who was born in a Muslim country. How many of those do you think are living?

[tigeruby]

The man obviously loves the labels.

[rolyan3]

Did Jean Reno ask the first question?

[jerryhello100]

And that just adds to God's sadism, he made us knowing we would choose what he forbids, yet, he still punishes us for the fault that he made in us.

[Adrealist]

@jerryhello100 It's like training a dog and when another dog comes up to fight with you, "Let's just see how he handles himself. Give the dog free will'. Which for the owner of the dog a little immoral but not completely nuts. Then when you add Satin into the picture suddenly, "Oh a Mountain Lion is loose in our back yard."

"Hmmm, let's just see how our dog ends up. He brought it upon himself for being born, after all"

... what the hell???

[jerryhello100]

I reject D'Souza's claim that God, if he exists, could possibly have given us Free-will because God also claims to know everything about us, and everything that we will ever do. So if God does exist, the christian one, it is like Dinesh says: we are robots. Because if god made knowing what we would choose, then that is not a choice, it's pre-scripted.

[jerryhello100]

That is not a lie, the Islamic world was much more tolerant than Christian Europe during the Inquisition.

[jerryhello100]

Check out the moderators hair, ahha, it's funny.

[Garcinproduction]

D'Souza never gives an answer :p

[bobsmith1875]

kamuss11.hell, heaven and the specifics of the life hereafter is a christian and other claim, judaism doesn't pretend to know. In fact you get no special rewards for being a jew, a good person is on par for any potential rewards. Take a guess why there aren't many jews. All the effort, none of the rewards besides a knowledge that everyone after is following your design. Take a guess why successor religions must eliminate or convert jews to be correct. Hitchens is by far my favorite debater.

[kamuss11]

for Judeo-Christian tradition, and anyway if you choose to ignore God, you will be punish by an eternity in Hell, so much for freedom of choice.

[kamuss11]

The idea of individualism does not come from

[pobanmanu]

God made man free to do that. From where does this assertion come ? Was definition of god made by human or did god (any god) send their definition thorough their Prophets? if so is there a slightest evedence??

[NightmareContinues]

To elaborate that point a little bit further, many may refute the notion of free-will, as Dinesh mentioned, as our decisions are the result of accumlated experience up until every-single decision. Hence, a deterministic universe- one that inherents incontestable physical laws. It can be conclusively noted that our brain is robustly complicated, however, it still abides by physical law- the most rudimentary form of scientific substantiation.

[alltiedup217]

I love'd souzas point everybody kills so its ok for religious people to do it.

[Adrealist]

@alltiedup217 Like previously talking about the Crusades, "Why is everyone making such a big deal about this... Only a couple thousand innocence people died. Gawd, always picking on us Christians. You atheists are so mean!"

[mattyk722]

Hitchens totally carves up D'souza towards the end of the clip, then D'souza, the fucktard, falls back on his psuedo scientific dribble again. The man couldn't even answer a direct question.

[kid29a]

my cat has free will and feeling of guilt :]

[antybu86]

God damn... that first guy takes forever to get to the point. Yet... he isn't wrong.

[dputros]

4:00 - 4:15.... WHAT!??!?!

[SemiSlavable]

Actually the Islamic empire *was* much more tolerant, taking in Jews expelled from Catholic Europe for example.

[mannybutch2]

Gengis Kahn thought he was a 'god'!!!!??

[MrsPhineasT]

Taking the word "could" as a predicate of "free will" I suppose the question becomes if the dog could "could" would he "could?"

And if he did "could" would he have done the "could" like he should (in the eyes of the lord.)

I mean, if a dog would "could"

would he "could" the way a good "could" should?

Amen.

[MrsPhineasT]

D'Souza suggests taking a moment to consider the power behind the FACT that humans are "the only" animals to possess free will.

It took about two seconds to think of a dog laying on a railroad track with a train bearing down. I think the dog will move, but then that means the dog has a god too.

I knew it! Dog god! More than just palindromic! It's been proved! Praise Canus born of the virgin bitch!!

[baigandine]

The dog would move. But could the dog choose to stay? The man could. Even if it's unlikley he would, he could. I'm doubtful whether the dog could.

[Gazzar]

Perhaps it was "Divine Insemination??"

[CKSBoltaction]

as much as I would like to agree, I would put that down to instinct.

[inactivism]

Hilarious. +1 thumb for you.

[MrsPhineasT]

Free will is the skeleton of the strawman and D'Souza whines it out ad nauseum.

[todore00]

D'Souza got ownd AGAIN

[Ikaath]

Oh wow the "universe is deterministic so we must have no free will" argument... D'Souza is LAME.

[grantburrell]

Hitchen's face is priceless when the that guy is reading out the Qu'ran verses and talking about the massacres.

[HonestDiscussioner]

Wow . . . dude . . . seriously . . . ask your question and get on with it. I know you have a point to make, probably several, and I feel for you because I would LOVE to have a stab at that debate, but its a question your supposed to ask, not a ten minute point as though you were a member of the debate.

[creepiestdani]

I've always been puzzled by the explanation of the self-appointed experts that god made us free to choose...to choose between what? Between worshipping him and spending eternity in hell? Some choice. It's the same kind of choice as when a thug asks "your money or your life". The fact that they had to invent hell is one of the most repulsive things about christianity for me.

[24LakerGirl]

D'Souza is a douche and I hate him with a passion.

[HonestDiscussioner]

I e-mailed him once. He's a bit of an atheist hater.

[jakethegent]

Where do we get our free will? Wow? Evolution, bigger brain, consciousness? Look at our ancestors and you will surely see am evolution of mentality and emotion. Maybe Dinesh should read and watch some of Richard Dawkins.

[hopokuk]

I would like to see a Dinesh Vs Dawkins debate - is there one?

[pezdrake]

That guy is surprised that Dinesh doesn't know about India? Of course he doesn't talk about it, he's a self-hating Indian-American desperate for the accepting embrace of white upper class America.

[baigandine]

racist

[omgwtfwhoami]

6:12

If I have the freedom to deny god then why am I being sent to hell for doing so? That isn't "freedom" if I'm being punished for exercising my freedom.

[chessdawgz]

The first questioner more or less refuted D'Souza's bullshit, it's shame they stopped him

[Socrates679]

D'Souza is truly deluded.

[analubalitious]

What is the source of this (compassion/morality)? - Dinesh

Neurology is the source of morality and it is NOT exclusive to our species. Other mammals have certainly demonstrated many of the components of moral decision making. Dinesh is SO quick to jump on people for talking apart from their field of expertise, and then demonstrates breathtaking ignorance and arrogance on the topic of morality.

[alphacause]

Hitchens, again, brings up a good point, but I wish he would have elaborated on it further. If free will is given by a creator, or CAUSED by a creator then it suffers a fate of determinism. What determines the strength of free will to accept good and reject evil or vice versa is dependent on how much strength is given it. Where does this strength or weakness come from? Well like all inventions that have a designer, its strength or weakness must come from its designer. Hence God is at fault.

[alphacause]

D'Souza says that in Christianity, God made us free to choose our own path, and therefore it is not totalitarian. However, in totalitarian regimes like Nazi Germany or Stalin's Soviet Union, one was also FREE to choose to go against the state. However, the consequence of that action was death or imprisonment. In like manner Christianity imposes coercion, but it is even worse. If you choose not to follow its dictates you will suffer eternal torment. It is totalitarianism of the worst kind.

[alphacause]

D'Souza, even in his examples of Genghis Khan and the Roman Empire, blatantly IGNORES the fact that in both cases you have a conquering people who believed that it was their DIVINE DESTINY to subjugate people. So even in D'Souza's poorly chosen examples, religion is a contributing factor. Also what his examples demonstrate, is that religion doesn't have a mitigating effect on genocidal behavior, they way one would think it should have.

[balamanti2]

alphacause

"DIVINE DESTINY to subjugate people"

Same could be said about Atheism in the matter of what Communists did in South America, Asia, Europe and Russia.

The Term DIVINE DESTINY is also applied to Atheists ways of marketing their Metaphical so-called "scientific" concepts

[balamanti2]

Islamic Empire was much more tolerant than all predecessor empires that is Historical fact. Islam has the power of converging and was tolerant because of preaching that gave enemies chance to be muslim istead of ethnic cleasing like roman empire and Macedonian Alexander "so called" great wiped out entire cities and killed its people Islam was able to succeed winning the war by converging enemies to Islam without lots of shed of blood

[kramokinian]

It is a very disputed fact... The status of dhimmis was not a very envious one. Islam also had its claim in religious cleansing and forced conversions. Moreover many great empires comprised many different ethnic groups and religion aswell. You should go back to history books. Finally, I don't see today that so-called muslim tolerance in Islamic countries ( Think of Saudi Arabia, Egypte, etc)

[balamanti2]

kramokinian

It is not Disputed, It is a FACT. The west fear of Muslims was partly ONE fear of the converging power and ethical superiority. TWO advancement of technology, science and language that Islam had. THREE ISLAM was and still is: the righteous, Victorious Winning revolution of the "weakened" nations against pre-taken-for-granted. Byzantine, Hellenistic, ROMAN and Other European dictatorships

[balamanti2]

"cntd"

"Muslim tolerance in Saoudi Arabia,

Egypt"

The west has lots of weak "fault-points" that only Islam tackles. Many of them related to a dictatorship of Capitalism of consumer converging society that is marketed as "democratic" when this democracy has lots of criticism. At least Arab nations are resistant to homogeneous brutality of the brainwashing of the "capitalist-neo-slavery" of the society of which Atheism and agnosticism plays great part of it.

[lonerook860]

4:00 - 4:15

you gotta love Hitchens XD

If people talked about religion like this without regard for stepping on believers' toes, it would be dissolved far quicker than is currently the case.

[billyboy630]

All of you Hitchen's worshipers remember he argued for Socialism just as well as he argues for atheism.

He is with no doubt a sharp tongued witty and very intellectual man and love listening to him. Although I don't agree with him

[atlant80]

Cheetahs don't eat rabbits D'Souza... proving how LITTLE you know about the animal kingdom. Interesting, isn't it, that animals such as primates other than humans feel emotions similar to remorse, to regret, to sorrow. Yeah, D'Souza, animals feel. Isn't that odd? Are they, then, created special by god?

[observer75]

I just ate a grilled chicken sandwich. Wacha gonna do?!?

[Valelacerte]

Every now and then, I step back from the fact that D'Souza and Hitchens are extremely well read and have researched their positions extensively, and remember that they're debating the existence of a being who listens to every prayer of every human, 24/7, who is undetectable, indefinable, exists on planes unfathomable to us, can create and destroy on any scale upon a whim, and who conveys his commandments verbally to lone people.

It really is just fucking ridiculous.

[x362436]

Yes, me too.

[HitchensFavorite]

Freedom now comes out of Christianity... I always thought it was us that came out of it!

[observer75]

Freedom to be the dirtbag you've always wanted to be?

[Rycon973]

marker 853 ho ho ho. so funny. throw a ignorant racist joke in there.

[HitchensFavorite]

Are you calling his mother a Ho!? Are you saying he iz black!?

I think your the racist here mate!

[Rycon973]

ho ho ho as in the supposed holiday spirt. no, I'm not racist. I've even had a black girlfriend for awhile. that was sarcastic. If you want to read a good take on race, read hitchen's letters to a young contrarian. i feel like i've read much more hitchens than you.

[HitchensFavorite]

Well I didn't get the Dunkin Dounuts joke....

[marker853]

I saw d'souza working at Dunkin donuts..LOL

[HitchensFavorite]

MEATBALLS!

[marker853]

Dunkin D'Doughnuts

[Maverician]

If I could mentally masturbate, I'd be doing it right now to Hitchens.

[jamesjohnking]

This nonsense of free will breaks down when you consider something like disease. Does someone choose cancer? Did millions of people choose to die of influenza in 1918? The Black Death? No. No one chooses that.

[observer75]

Try to understand something before you make a fool of yourself.

[jamesjohnking]

I suggest you follow your own advice. I guess this video must be attracting a lot of your brain-dead fellow faithheads, considering the negative five give to my comments. Only people like yourself, who would make Forrest Gump look like a candidate for Mensa, would disagree with what I said. I'd like to know what your specific objections are. Explain how free will is supposed to work. How would you refute what I have written? You can't do it; you're too stupid.

[observer75]

The level of religious fanaticism and willingness to be intellectually dishonest by militant Darwinist atheists like yourself is only matched by that of extreme Islam from what I can see.

The effort you cowards put in to bitterly censor and squelch opposing thought couldn't be more obvious and only someone with the same zeal and agenda or half a brain would ignore it.

Do you have a specific question about free will that Dinesh didn't cover for you?

[jamesjohnking]

Pathetic. You haven't watched the video or read any of the comments here. It's especially lame to attempt to answer a question with a question. Dinesh's answer to the question of free will was no answer at all, and you are totally incapable of doing any better - obviously. Goodbye, fool.

[observer75]

Run along, coward...

By chance, are you the doofus from the audience at the beginning of this clip who called Dinesh a liar when he didn't like the answer? Lol, just a hunch...

[jamesjohnking]

Continue to hide behind the anonymity of the internet, observer75. What is your real name? You are the coward. Few will have failed to notice that you have not attempted to refute anything I have said. You have failed to give me any reason to think you have watched this video or are familiar with any of the arguments put forth by Hitchens or D'Souza. You have not read my comments either. I fail to see why I should waste any more time on someone so dishonest and so lazy.

[observer75]

Yeah, nice excuse, coward. There is nothing to refute, you are simply a first class idiot.

What is your question? What can I help you with, dumbo?

[jamesjohnking]

Quit now. You regree further with each comment. Perhaps if you ceased to hide behind the veil of anonymity you would be less willing to constantly play the fool. You obviously have a very low opinion of yourself, to be willing to degrade yourself in this way.

[observer75]

Yes, yes... I know how cowards like you wish I would quit. Censorship is your way, coward. That is why all of you seethe over these debates. Read up and down the comments for all of these videos and you'll see a bunch of seething cowards upset at Dinesh and anyone else who challenges the status quo.

I love it.

[jamesjohnking]

I changed my mind, I don't want you to quit. Morons like you are just too damn entertaining. Any time you'd like to attempt to provide any reasons and evidence as to why I'm wrong in my total smackdown of D'Souza's sad arguments, feel free. Don't think that other observers haven't noticed you have failed to do this.

[jamesjohnking]

I suspect your age is somewhere between 10 and 12, your emotional maturity roughly 2. You react when like a cornered animal when challenged. You are out of your league and you know it. You are a base coward, *still* hiding (cowering like a frightened child) behind your veil of anonymity. You are pathetic. You do not know the meaning of the words "reason" and "logic", never mind how to use them in an argument.

[jamesjohnking]

You are also abysmally lazy, and have obviously *still* not watched this video, and know nothing of the arguments of either man in this debate. You keep getting thrashed, but you keep coming back. You may be entertaining, but the joke is getting old. Run away now, little boy.

[lonerook860]

"militant Darwinist atheists"

lol :D interesting strategy to legitimate your own position through assuming there is a vast conspiracy against you, rather produce a rational argument.

[observer75]

What does that have to do with a conspiracy?

mil⋅i⋅tant /ˈmɪlɪtənt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [mil-i-tuhnt] Show IPA

adjective

1. vigorously active and aggressive, esp. in support of a cause: militant reformers.

[lonerook860]

"anyone else who challenges the status quo."

I took that as an appeal to conspiracy, especially given the fact that 'darwinism' has support by around 99.98% of scientists.

[observer75]

That's ok, everyone makes mistakes, especially Darwinists. Don't be so hard on yourself.

Show me the data that supports the 99.98% figure you pulled from your anus.

[observer75]

Yeah, keep getting your facts and figures from talkorigins, every one laced with biased conjecture. Tailored solutions made to fit any problem.

What would you internet automatons do without your circle jerk meccas?

[lonerook860]

As I said, you appeal to conspiracy, rather than produce a rational argument. It was almost like I prophecised it, but then that would be irrational... wouldn't it?

[observer75]

Is that your excuse?

[observer75]

If you clowns were so confident in your beliefs you wouldn't have any problem with opposing ideas. But like all cowards and tyrants, you try to censor, censor, censor. I'm sure that you, like most of your comrades regard Dinesh with hostility, thinking to yourselves arrogantly, "The audacity of this man challenging the status quo!".

[lonerook860]

Not particularly, his arguments have all been answered by Hitchens on a number of similar occasions. What brings the hostility is the fact people cheer D'Souza's ideas, and a backward step is made for what are in fact incredibly irrational arguments.

[observer75]

I find your opinion that all of Dinesh's arguments were answered by Hitchens to be false and I would add the same of his answers.

People cheering "D'Souza's ideas" shouldn't make you hostile unless you feel threatened, but I'm glad you have admitted to hostility. That's the first step to recovery.

Also, your implication that D'Souza's ideas are "incredibly irrational arguments" is your own empty and useless opinion unless you would like to point out a specific that we can dissect logically.

[lonerook860]

"but I'm glad you have admitted to hostility. That's the first step to recovery."

What... you mean like: "If you clowns" "like all cowards and tyrants," "What would you internet automatons do without your circle jerk meccas?" "empty and useless opinion"

Heal thyself because you are a patronising and bitter hypocrite.

I've lost my appetite for any issues I would debate, you are clearly a vulgar and immature individual, and I won't indulge your need for attention.

[observer75]

Run along, little girl. You never had any intention to debate, give me a break. You came to bash Dinesh because he threatens or questions your ideals.

I don't have any problem matching your hostility in whatever form you present it. You, like most of your comrades, have a tyrannical personality disorder and I delight being in your face to answer back.

[lonerook860]

There that immaturity again. I had no doubt you would take some narcissistic delight in seeing my retreat from a discussion, ignoring the fact it is because I think you are an insulting child.

I won't satisfy your further thirst for attention, so don't bother revelling in answering back because I will not lower myself to even read it. Byebye.

[prisspross32]

not his own i agree, D"Souza arguments are irrational.

[polemicbear]

If we have free-will off god then the christians, muslims, jews and so on would not have to stone people to death. Does this mean that any christian/other person who punishes anyone in any way for not being religious is actually stepping on the toes of gods word? answers on a post card please.

[lakumbar]

It's about time someone tick off Dinesh's bluff which he so often did in his other debates. This probably prompted Peter Singer to quip that he enjoys debating Dinesh because he likes to go yak yak yak yak ..... unabashedly.

[TalkingBonzi]

Not to mention Hitchen's basic argument isn't that God doesn't exist or couldn't exist but that God shouldn't exist.

He lists all the characteristics about God he finds offensive such as God being omnipresent and omniscience and counts it as a strike against God. Trying to define God out of existance.

[TalkingBonzi]

Hitchen's personal attacks against Danish shows his level of academic maturity.

[SVisionary]

It went both ways in many of their debates. When you debate, you use whatever means to prove your point, often painting the other person an idiot. The end justifies the means in this case.

[TalkingBonzi]

Naw, Hicthens is the only one here mud slinging. Point out one comment D'Souza that was personal.

"When you debate, you use whatever means to prove your point, often painting the other person an idiot. The end justifies the means in this case."

And thats the kind of narrow minded mentality alot of people have going into a debate.

Talking just to rearrange their own prejuduces.

Focus on the cons and talk around the pros.

[RationalEmotive]

didn't want to be a smart ally, what I meant was simply this: Yes the amazing thing about the universe is exactly that it is "merely physical and driven by physical laws". The equation that D'Souza makes is that it is therefore deterministic, which it is not. Quantum physics introduced the fundamental concept of probability into physics, and altough we do know a whole lot about these probablities it is far off from e.g. Laplace's Demon or the worldview of Newton. D'Souza lives in the 19th cent.

[converse02]

Hitchens, he's good.

[RationalEmotive]

"If the laws of physics are completely deterministic in another words if we live in a physical universe that is merely physical and driven by physical laws..."

Ok, he has never read a book on modern physics neither otherwise he would not make this claim that nobody literate in the realm of quantum physics would say is true.

[kakahass]

HAHAHA i worship milton friedman

[aircave]

So if an invisible being exist, it makes knowing free will clearer... How does that many any sense?

[GSDragon]

I don't Free Will from a creator in the way Dinesh explains justifies creation by god. Doesn't seem to help his point.

[ShittyMcBalls]

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[beastlt12]

You get a thumbs up for your screen name