The Prophet said, "Ad-Dajjal will come and encamp at a place close to Medina and then Medina will shake thrice whereupon every Kafir (disbeliever) and hypocrite will go out (of Medina) towards him."
Najd in arabia is the middle of arabia called NAJD AKA highlands, were the saudi rulers have originated from Head of Satan, Muslim should now this the Head of Satan the head of satan will appear from the najd
i need some REAL MUSLIM freinds. message me if u are one :] and if u have a fb or msn or something so i can get to know u guys more thankss . i feel lonely
A lot of non-sense being posted in the comments including ones that have thumbs up
I agree that the Saudi Royals are treacherous by being allied with the west and working against Muslims, but remember a few things. What they are talking about being 'destroyed', it's shia & sufi shrines; places of shirk. This is a presstv/shia report, they have ulterior motives. The religious side of Saudi is right, they are preventing shrines and shirk. However, the other side is indeed developing Las Vegas :(
how low will our materialism,capitalism greed go??? isn't anything holy any more? thank you for this sad video.let's work together to preserve this sites!!!
king abdullah your distorying the land of allah swt king abdullah should be distoryed before it get even worser already he done a lot of damage to them ummah serving the west how worse it will get subhanallah may allah swt protect the land of mercy where is the history of islam was
@ahmad198738 dont worry King Abdullah will die soon, he is of very old age and after he dies there will be a fight for power, and then, will Imam Al Mahdi (A) appear.
just when i thought the Saudis couldn't shock me anymore.... knocking over houses from the 700s to build a TGI Fridays..... Well, good luck with that.
there are just destroying holy place like house of Prophet Sallaalahu wasallam and his family in name of Idolatry........There will pay a huge amount for this Saudi government is baby seater for Yahudi Kafir's
To people who defame the saudi family: If you dont like it, dont go, simple. It is their country, they can do as they wish. If we had it the way of the Shia then the whole Haram would have been a place of blood and worship of others besides Allaah. The truth is, people are jealous. And i am aware of the hadith of the sign of the hour where shepards will building tall buildings, there is nothing we can do to stop the decree of Allaah. It will happen.
How is it wrong for Saudi ti take down the graves and houses and other things that belonged to the Sahaba or the prophet sallaahu alayhi wa salam? These places are not holy nor are they to be visited to be worshipped like most may do. Aslong as they leave the graves at ground level like they do and leave the kaba than what harm is actually being done? None at all except for peoples attachments to structures.
In fact, Sauds are descendants of the Jewish tribes a.k.a. Banu Qaynuqa tribe, so they are Jews disguised as Muslims, which is tantamount to high treason and betrayal of Islam. Hence, these mindless morons are on destruction spree, I mean wherever they are discovering Islamic heritage or sites demolishing them just to please their Jews and western masters!
@macmu881 No, you are wrong. There were certain jewish tribes like Banu Qaynuqa in Medina, however the direct ancestry of Saudi princes come from Mecca. There were no Jewish tribes in Mecca.
Turning Makkah to Las vegas hey? The Saudi citizens needs to protest to stop this destruction from happening. It won't be long till the saudi government will let infidels enter Makkah and Madinah.
@qahtaniproductions20 and so they should, if god is true then all of the people of the world should ahve the ability to access it. or do you agree with apartheid?
The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) replied, “That slave women give birth to their mistresses; and that you see barefoot, unclothed, beginning shepherds competing in the construction of tall buildings.”
Saudis "turning Mecca into Las Vegas" AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS THE BLESSED IMAM WILL RAISE AN ARMY OF FAITHFULS MADE UP OF THE MOST RIGHTIOUS PEOPLE ON EARTH WILL THE HOLY LAND(S)
@Zar4h For one, Muhammad ... salla Allahu alayhe wa sallam came from Ismael or Ishmael son of Abraham & Hagar. Abraham was from Ur of Chaldeas & Hagar of Egypt (the Turks).the Holy City of Mecca founded by Abraham & Ishmael & Hagar . ..none of whom were Arabs ... the children of
Ishmael later became Arabized. the Prophet Muhammad (saaws) was Arab by language & by custom but not by lineage. the poor will enter paradise lst, not Arabs. If u r Arab, its a shame u believe this, if u arent . . .
@IslamNederland the title says "Las Vegas" impying gambling, prostitution etc, where is the truth in that. I think Karijis would rather support rafidhi scum (like anwar all waky did in yemen) than the sunnis.
@ahlulsunnahwaljammah hahahaha a there is prostitution, cambling and alcohol in SA I got it on tape if you wanna see, its al westernised mcdonalds on every block and musicstores everywhere, cocacola, redbull its turned into a second america!! but thats what you get if kaffir saudies are occupying muslim land. Anwar al awlaki supporting shia??? whahahaha he openly questions the ''ulema'' what they are going do do about the shia in yemen so how can he possibly cooperate with them??? liar....
anwar al awlaki has put a video of 30 minutes with questions to the ''ulema'' wich they still havent answered. offcourse the scholars for dollars have made fatwa against him when he was put on the kill or alive CIA hitlist, we all know that saudi scholars only make pro america fatwas and not pro Islam fatwas and speaking the haq. The ''moderate, western, liberal'' saudi people are the dumbest on earth, seriously the just want so bad to become a westerner then a muslim, Inshallah ALLAH kill them!
anwar al awlaki has put a video of 30 minutes with questions to the ''ulema'' wich they still havent answered. offcourse the scholars for dollars have made fatwa against him when he was put on the kill or alive CIA hitlist, we all know that saudi scholars only make pro america fatwas and not pro Islam fatwas and speaking the haq. The ''moderate, western, liberal'' saudi people are the dumbest on earth, seriously the just want so bad to become a westerner then a muslim, Inshallah ALLAH kill them!
@IslamNederland lol, Salafis in the west refuted al waky well before he was on any Kafir CIA list. They refuted him when he was an ikhwani imam giving interviews on tv
Presstv is an Iranian broadcaster , the half jews shia iranian filthy mullahs hate Sunnis muslims ( basicaly shia r not muslims ) and Saudi Arabia is the Heart of islam .they r just Jealous because The prophet Muhammed saw is an Arab and the heart of islam Makka is in Saudi Arabia .Long live the Saudi leaders ,they realy spend billions on the gests of the Rahmaan ,all of u iranian shia haters go back to worshipping fire
Well, I'm no expert in Islam or Muhammad, but I have read that illiterated people has a remarkable memory for oral learning. That has been proven in studies through tribes in Africa, the Americas and even in Europe. Illiterated people memorizes most important things since they cannot write them down the same way blind people improve their hearing after loosing their vision. It's a kind of logical thing, if you think it well.
I hope that what happened in Egypt happens in saudi arabia as well so that those puppet king and family are charged for supporting infidels like america
i believe there are other hadiths, but because its importance is minor regarding practising the religion, i believe the black stone has not been covered much... hope that helped.
here is another one..Ibn `Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) quoted the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) as saying: “Touching them both [the Black Stone and Ar-Rukn Al-Yamani] is an expiation for one’s sins.” (At-Tirmidhi, Sunan, hadith no. 959. This hadith is classified as hasan by At-Tirmidhi and as Sahih by Al-Hakim (1/664), and Adh-Dhahabi agreed with him.)
@bagshitass Sorry, premature posting. What do you think of not toppling a system and replacing it with an unplanned glued together government and instead finding out why majority of the population don't speak Arabic or why those that do move to Makkah for religious reasons are relativly content with living this way? Maybe change it from within in a sustainable way?
Cars, air travel, Internet, telephones, various technological medical equipment to name but a few, and of course the cure to many diseases without having to wait for a fly to fall into your drink first.
Have you ever seen the film "The life of Brian" where the Jews keep asking "What have the Romans ever done for us?" :-)
@TheRationalizer ..so you're saying that out of 1.8 billion muslims, none of them dont know why they kiss the black stone, tell me, have you ever spoke to every muslim on this planet?..you see how much of an idiot you are to state such an idiotic comment, clearly based on no fact? lol, what a fool you must be!
@TheRationalizer ..Well, the stone was originally white, when kissed all that persons sins are forgiven, hence now, thats why its turned black, we muslims believe it contains peoples sins, or negative energies, this is why we kiss the stone, to dispel sin.
Thanks very much. Up until now I was only aware of the hadith where one of his followers said that he was kissing the stone even though he had no idea why he was kissing it.
@TheRationalizer thats no problem..here is 1..Ibn `Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him) further related that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said: “By Allah, Allah will bring it forth on the Day of Judgment, and it will have two eyes with which it will see and a tongue with which it will speak, and it will testify in favor of those who touched it in sincerity.” (At-Tirmidhi, Sunan)
Do you have a sahih? Also do you have a reference of it taking away sins?
Considering Islam replaced the worship of stone idols I find this whole affair more than just a bit odd. Kissing a stone to remove sin when it is only Allah who can remove sin, and why would an all knowing being need testimony from a taking stone? And the Quran says only Allah knows the unseen and also what is in a man's heart, so how could the stone know?
@TheRationalizer ..the stone is only blessed, it cannot know nothing, but allah prescribed it for people who could make the pilgrimage, 1400 years ago travelling wasn't easy, it even could be psychological, because man thinks with his brain, then it goes to his heart..but the stone was given before the time of the prophet muhammed, we believe ibrahim ( as ) placed it there, the kaaba was first built by abraham PBUH
@TheRationalizer .allah knows everything, but has prescribed certain things for man, so he can actively do something for god by actions, islam is a very deep religion and only a scholar can be justified as to answering certain questions..if i were to give you a wrong answer, then you may still doubt, whereas a scholar can give the full answer..try AHMED DEEDAT on YT, hes a debater but you'll see things from a better perspective
You don't find it at all odd that an area which was predominantly pagan is now predominantly of a religion where people kiss a stone? The Quran itself talks about how it is Allah with all power, and yet there is a belief in a benefit of kissing a stone before you die?
Do you think it is likely that when some people kiss this stone they feel an overwhelming emotion? One which should be reserved for worshipping Allah?
@TheRationalizer ..your questions have been answered by scholars, ive seen debates on youtube claiming the same thing, but as i said, its what Muhammed ( pbuh) has claimed, as i said, you need a scholar to answer that, but Islam is faultless, a perfect religion when studied, even the quran is mathematically perfect, it cannot be tampered with, you need to ask someone more knowledgeable.
@TheRationalizer ..the women slaves referred to the time of the prophet (pbuh), because many men died in battle, it was ordered for them to take those women, they had no men left and lesbianism is not exactly encouraged, so it was common sense for their time..as for perfection, its got nothing to do with numerology, many earlier jews tried to corrupt the quran, but afterwards converted, they could not tamper with it, indeed, allah says he will preserve the quran himself til the day of judgement
@TheRationalizer ..Also, can i refer to you quran and science, indeed, many things are in the quran that science has just learned, also, type in yt scientists convert to islam, it'll just show you some things that are beyond a normal man to know and why 1.8 billion and getting stronger are turning to Islam, but im no scholar my friend, but i know peoples misconception due to propaganda or lack of information, so i try my best, but a scholar or shows on YT can give you some answers.
No it doesn't at all. It was this very subject that initially got me interested in Islam, I have looked at every Quran miracle claim and every one of them was utter rubbish.
@TheRationalizer ..ok, which part is rubbish? i said science and islam, also, listen to scientists that have converted and hear what made them convert, surely, these are educated people..until you research properly and with an open mind, no one can prove you anything, every man has an intellect, only he knows how much knowledge he wants, so i say, good luck and peace my friend, if you need information, you have the whole net at your disposal, goodbye.
Every miracle claim I have ever seen for the Quran is rubbish, they are all fabricated.
As for scientists, the best Bucaille can do is not "The Quran is right" but "The Quran is not wrong" which is entirely different, and then he keeps the same conclusion even when the evidence turns out to be the opposite of what he expected.
As for Prof Moore, he didn't become a Muslim.
These people need to present their proofs, not their conclusions!
@TheRationalizer ..thats fine, but the ones i have seen give proofs, quotes and their own scientific analysis, i dont know which one you saw, but ive seen none which dont go into it scientifically.. also, if you are serious, go into any islamic debate on YT, scroll down the comments and ask this same question to a muslim you find knowledgeable and their are thousands, you'll get your answer, also, did you google quran and science? i didnt think you did, anyway, pleasure talking to you, keep well
@TheRationalizer Well im sure theres alot more material around than just those 2, but im not here to convert you, im saying theres loads of material, if researched with intent, that shows islam is atrue religion and one of peace, but veryone has a right to defend within the prescribed limits.
And I am not here to deconvert you. However I will say that I have looked at EVERY miracle claim I could find about the Quran and not one of them is a miracle.
Why would you proclaim there are scientific miracles in the Quran if you don't know the details of these claims let alone researched them? Doesn't that indicate to you that you have made a premature conclusion?
@TheRationalizer ..i did not state that, i was specifically stating about the stone, i did menion had done little research as i knew the falsehoods of tainting Islam, which miracle did you read on..the quran claims the earth is egg like 1400 years ago, that was unknown, islam says there is a barrier between the salt sea and the fresh, the prophet PBUH was illiterate, yet he gave us this knowledge way before scientists accepted these facts.there are numerous,any serious researcher knows this.
You believe that fresh water/salt water verse is a miracle? I see you also use the argument from ignorance "Muhammad was illiterate, how could he have known?"
watch?v=wmALFDbiIgE&t=240
I have covered both in this video. Let me know what you think.
@TheRationalizer ..also, which every miracle, can you be precise? Until you dont study a religion deeply, a person who doesen't want to learn knowledge in-depth, will not understand religion, as i said, the quran is full of miracles and the shows on YT show scientists and their statistics to why they converted and what made them, i have seen these, can you explain which part confused you or which part did not convince you?
I researched every miracle claim I could find. If you know it then there is a good chance I have already researched it.
You assume that I do not want to learn. Watch my video "How the Quran led me out of darkness" - every word of it is true. I think you will find my investigation was sincere, and in fact biased toward it being true.
After researching these miracle claims ultimately I could not deny the obvious conclusion, the Quran really does have no miracles in it at all.
@TheRationalizer ..Well, if you know a learned muslim or have time to go on a video, especially a DR ZAKIR NAIK or AHMED DEEDAT video, you'll find educated muslims more than i, i suggest you ask one of them about the miracles, they certainly tell you more than the obvious ones, i know its a task, but i suppose knowledge does not come easy, you try that my friend and i hope, whatever your conclusions, that it may give you more knowledge than what we have now...peace.
Naik is a deceiver. He uses a number of tricks to con the audience. For example when asked if the Quran mentions evaporation he said yes, he then listed about 10-15 verses which all apparently describe evaporation and everyone clapped; but when you check these verses none of them do.
My curiosity is, if YOU have never looked at these miracle claims why do you think they are real?
@TheRationalizer .. in the past, when i was a little more religious than now, i saw plenty of pamphlets and i have heard many imams on tv stations go into detail, for example, the quran mentions everything is made from pairs, no one could have conceived this idea, science tells us this is true, but as that was along time ago, i dare not pretend to know now what i knew a little of then..as for NAIK, how was he false, whats your answer to his false claims..be precise.
@bagshitass If you must disagree witha scholar, mention what was wrong then tell us the right answer..also, try SHABBIR ALI, another good scholar, theres plenty of them here and you can ask wiser people than me, i dont understand why you ask me when ive already said im no scholar, but, i have faith and thats what it comes down to, ive seen a bit too and that cements my belief in Islam, to me its down to belief and faith.
I ask you your opinion because you have one. You have the opinion that these miracles exist despite never checking for yourself if they are true or not, you believe them because someone you see to be in a position of intellectual authority told you it is true.
However, there are more scholars who do not think they are true than do. So why do you believe the minority over the majority?
Why not just find the truth without prejudicing yourself?
@TheRationalizer .you're right in your ways of thinking, but god is of the unseen, as for the prophet being illiterate, thats the point, he gave info. that was not possible to have been known, every verse of the quran came through muhammed PBUH, even though he was illiterate, as you've read the quran, im sure that even an educated man cannot reproduce verses like it..as for naik, ill check him out, but as ive stated, ther are other scholars, type Islam and science, go thru the vids, youll see..
Illiteracy was irrelevant. Today it is our primary means of education so by today's standards it would be significant. In Muhammad's time + region literacy was not the primary method of education, it was oral recitation.
If you are claiming that these people cannot hear something and then accurately recite it then I am afraid you are also telling me that the content of the Quran is not trustworthy. Agreed?
Next you say Muhammad could not have known. I have demonstrated for example how he could have known the 2 waters mixing information. Other people knew it, therefore humans can know it. Apart from this it is just the story of Genesis 1 reworded, that is quite clear.
What you are actually saying is not "Muhammad could not have known it" but "I don't know how he could have known it" - that is a position of ignorance from which you should not draw conclusions.
@TheRationalizer .. i never said that and judging by your channel, i can now see where you're coming from..muhammed PBUH could not read or write, there is no way he had info. on 2 waters mixing because i have seen debates regarding this subject, thats why i mentioned it..if Islam was false, it would not be the fastest growing religion today my friend.
There are plenty of dyslexic people in the world some of these people are not just currently unable to read but would find it impossible to read. Yet they can paint, compose music, and also think up beautiful poems. Your idea that illiterate people cannot author poems is unfounded.
In addition, da Vinci made beautiful paintings, Mozart made beautiful music. Does this mean that god did it? Obviously not, so why make an exception for the Quran?
@TheRationalizer ..the difference is 1400 years ago is not today..the people of today can do it because one takes genes into perspective plus the benefits of society, 1400 years ago this was not possible..how did you come to that conclusion??
@TheRationalizer ..the majority were tribes, they were not into information and did not care, the ones that would have known certainly weren't going to preach to tribes..as for gods existance..we see this in his creation, you see the beauty but not the creator..the universe is run by law, all scientists saythis, but even law has to be controlled and created..who created that law? Allah.
Okay, let me refine the criteria then. Are you telling me that Muhammad specifically was unable to hear information and accurately recount it to others?
@TheRationalizer ...of course he could, but what information are you suggesting? The majority of info. in the quran is fresh info., not something that others would know, as for the common, this is not what makes the quran a miracle to us..there are experiences on a daily basis that proves qurans miracles
So, Muhammad can hear thing and then accurately recount them to other people. In which case, do you agree therefore that he only needed to hear something in order to be able to remember it and tell it to others and therefore his illiteracy is irrelevant?
@TheRationalizer ..we judge his illiteracy by the whole of the quran, the known and unknown of the time, only a small percentage could have been known, but the quran is the final word of Allah,in it are things neither contained in christianity or judaism, this is where one looks at the quran and its messenger differently.
You didn't answer my question. With regards to his ability to hear information, remember it, and then tell it to others, do you agree that his illiteracy was irrelevant?
@TheRationalizer ..that depends on the info..what you're suggestively saying, is that certain miracles or paragraphs could have been repeated and made devine..this is not where we appreciate the prophets PBUH knowledge..the quran is deep and no ordinary person can recreate this quran, a challenge still standing 1400 years and going.
@TheRationalizer ..no, i stated clearly he could remember and re-tell, my point is Muhammed PBUh received certain revelations and the whole of quran, this was revelation, a normal deser dweller just cannot construct the quran, indeed, allah challenges man and jinn to produce a verse thereof, if he can..no one has!
Okay, so you say that Muhammad had an excellent memory and could remember vast amounts of information (the entire Quran for example) just after hearing it.
So, considering he didn't need the Quran written down for him in order to learn it, in what way is his illiteracy relevant?
@TheRationalizer ..the prophet knew it by heart, no one needed to write it for him..people memorised it so they can write it down and hand it to generations to come..indeed, there are 1.4 billion strong, a wise move id say!
But again you are avoiding the question. If Muhammad can memorise the entire Quran just by hearing it then that means he had an excellent memory, would you agree?
No, but you implied that Muhammad cannot know anything that he did not read. So, with that now out of the way do you agree that if ANYONE knew some information within his region during his life that it was entirely possible for Muhammad to have learned it - despite being illiterate?
@TheRationalizer ..yes thats true, but you seem to forget that the knowledge of the quran, mostly is something that was not known in the region..so if certain christian texts are mentioned, its because allah has stated them and everything stated is recorded.
@bagshitass ..but as we debate on, ill have to leave you for a while..i will answer whatever questions i can with you, but ill need a more knowledgable person regarding Islam to deal with the more exact purpose of your questions..peace, ill be back later bro.
1: The illiteracy of Muhammad had absolutely no bearing on his ability to learn
2: If anyone knew some information at the time then it is possible Muhammad could have learned it from them
So, if someone had once told Muhammad that in Genesis god put a barrier between the fresh water and the salt water so that they do not mix (Read Genesis 1) does that mean the miracle of the 2 waters in the Quran is no longer a miracle?
@TheRationalizer ..the quran as ive stated is mathematicaly perfect, it CANNOT be corrupted, its been tried but has never succeeded ...even great poets like dante have used quran to inspire their poetry.. art comes in all forms, but in a desert, coupled with a miraculous quran, its a fact that islam is the final way for mankind
@TheRationalizer ..this is not my claim, this is known as a fact as many jews who converted to islam have said previously, it was this that made them convert..like i said, asking me is no good, im no scholar, the fact you ask me too much means you're satisfying some anger inside you..ill link you to a brother who'll fill you in
So, Sura 1 is one of the shortest. If I changed a single letter in that sura can you tell me how without knowing the original words you are able to detect mathematically that the contents have been changed?
@TheRationalizer ..but thats the point, millions upon millions know the quran by heart, also, yes you could tell because of the nature of classical arabic, the language is such that even if one dot was moved, the sentence would collapse, therfore, uncorruptable!
No, that is not the point. You claimed that you can detect attempted alterations to the Quran mathematically due to its mathematical purpose.
A mathematical function does not need to know the original data in order to work on it. You can give it the text you wish to test and it will tell you whether or not it has been altered.
Are you claiming that you can do this *mathematically* with the Quran?
@TheRationalizer ..im quoting jewish scholars who converted to Islam, they stated that while trying to corrupt the quran it was impossible on many fronts, one of these fronts was that the quran is mathematically perfect, this is the view of majority of muslims, so your opinions are better asked to those who know the quran better.
You are quoting people's conclusions rather than evaluating their evidence and reaching your own. This is called an appeal to authority. It goes like this
"Person X is clever, therefore I should believe what he says"
There are lots of people more clever than myself, but I only believe what they can prove to me.
So, can you show me that you can mathematically detect a change to a single letter in the Quran or not?
PS: My refusal to accept your claims is not anger.
@TheRationalizer ..no, if im a student, i need to ask a teacher, not someone who knows little, does not make his knowledge wrong, but a person qualified for such a debate is better..the fact that you refuse to debate someone with more knowledge shows your intention clearly..any person knows that a teacher is better than a student,,im like a student, but ill get you a scholar if you want, but you dont want to, because you know what'll happen
I don't refuse to debate someone with more knowledge than you, I will discuss Islam with anybody at all.
The reason I want to continue discussing with you is because you believe something without having any reason what so ever to believe it. It is typical behaviour for Muslims to say "Talk to my scholar" - it is a tragedy, because it is an accepted way of not actually bothering to think about what you think is true.
E.g. I just disproved your claim of mathematical perfection.
@TheRationalizer ..you did not disprove any fact, all muslims are not allowed to preach or debate without real knowledge, how can a student teach a class and say ignore the teacher? you see, we will be questioned for idle knowledge, so id rather not do it, indeed, i stated this the 1st time, im sure you'll agree..so my thing was to enlighten you on info and links that you may want to know better.
You claim that the Quran is mathematically perfect to a point that if it were altered even slightly it would be possible to detect it. Please provide me with
1: The mathematical function to run the text through
2: The checksums I should expect for each verse
3: Proof that the checksums are correct (I will accept for example the checksum for Sura1=1, Sura2=2 without requiring proof)
@TheRationalizer ..theres alot more and its alot deeper than we both know, knowledge after all is deep..but as i said, if you ask any brothers on any islam and science vids, you'll find out better, if not, ill see if i can provide you with a link that may give you better information..but like i said, i have faith, no one has seen Allah yet we know of his existence, through his creation and many other attributes.
You seem to not realise that the existence of god does not automatically prove the existence of Allah.
Allah is the name you associate with the creator of the universe (if it exists), but that does not mean that you know what it wants. Without evidence how can you be sure the Quran has anything at all to do with what it wants?
Without evidence how can you know it is not the god of the Mormon bible?
So a while back you heard 1 side of an argument presenting miracles in the Quran, didn't research them, and then accepted them to be true. Ever since then you have just believed them, is that right?
Why would you do that? Why would you believe the claims of another person without checking them?
Did you watch my video explaining the two waters not mixing for example?
As for NAIK, watch is video with Cambel asking about evaporation then check his answer for yourself in detail.
Nuke Mecca to save mankind
juxari 3 days ago
Sahih Al-Bukhari,
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
The Prophet said, "Ad-Dajjal will come and encamp at a place close to Medina and then Medina will shake thrice whereupon every Kafir (disbeliever) and hypocrite will go out (of Medina) towards him."
YUSKHAN 5 days ago
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Najd in arabia is the middle of arabia called NAJD AKA highlands, were the saudi rulers have originated from Head of Satan, Muslim should now this the Head of Satan the head of satan will appear from the najd
YUSKHAN 5 days ago
i need some REAL MUSLIM freinds. message me if u are one :] and if u have a fb or msn or something so i can get to know u guys more thankss . i feel lonely
seeumx4 5 days ago
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“Narrated by Ibn Umar: The Prophet (sallalahu ‘alaihi wa sallam) said: O Allah! Bestow Your
Blessings on our Sham (Syria) and our Yemen. People said: Our Najd (Najd is that part of
Saudi Arabia from which the Saudi rulers have originated). continued below
YUSKHAN 5 days ago
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The Prophet again said: O Allah!
Bestow Your Blessings on our Sham and Yemen. They said again: Our Najd as well. On that
the Prophet said: There will appear earthquakes and afflictions, and from there (i.e., Najd) will
come out the side of the head of Satan.”
(Sahih, Bukhari)
YUSKHAN 5 days ago
Good Job!!You Muslim Saudi Hypocrits DESTROY All the Islamic Holiest Sites!!!!
m00se321 1 week ago
they also changed the jamarat ( the place where muslims symbolically stone the devil) watch?v=iOASwyuQIOE
hansikelo 2 weeks ago
its saudi rulers fault , i saw some stupid blame the whole arab for that
055918 3 weeks ago
I have noticed this by my own eye
m5sheri5m 1 month ago
A lot of non-sense being posted in the comments including ones that have thumbs up
I agree that the Saudi Royals are treacherous by being allied with the west and working against Muslims, but remember a few things. What they are talking about being 'destroyed', it's shia & sufi shrines; places of shirk. This is a presstv/shia report, they have ulterior motives. The religious side of Saudi is right, they are preventing shrines and shirk. However, the other side is indeed developing Las Vegas :(
ahyahyahy 1 month ago
how low will our materialism,capitalism greed go??? isn't anything holy any more? thank you for this sad video.let's work together to preserve this sites!!!
mirasprofile 1 month ago
muslims are so lol.. fuck i laugh my ass offf.. hehehehehe
flinkyrider 1 month ago
any other religion to.,. but the muslims are so serious with allahh.. hahahe
flinkyrider 1 month ago
حكام السعودية والكلب الخراء
privatezib 1 month ago
Irony! Muslims destroying their beloved formerly pagan holy city and not needing any help from the "infidels" to do it!
TheGreaterGood80 2 months ago
king abdullah your distorying the land of allah swt king abdullah should be distoryed before it get even worser already he done a lot of damage to them ummah serving the west how worse it will get subhanallah may allah swt protect the land of mercy where is the history of islam was
ahmad198738 2 months ago
@ahmad198738 dont worry King Abdullah will die soon, he is of very old age and after he dies there will be a fight for power, and then, will Imam Al Mahdi (A) appear.
Allahuakbar
757Pilot100 1 month ago
@757Pilot100 you are likely wrong.
lajungesombre 1 week ago
just when i thought the Saudis couldn't shock me anymore.... knocking over houses from the 700s to build a TGI Fridays..... Well, good luck with that.
Floodlezoot 2 months ago
there are just destroying holy place like house of Prophet Sallaalahu wasallam and his family in name of Idolatry........There will pay a huge amount for this Saudi government is baby seater for Yahudi Kafir's
parvezahad 2 months ago
To people who defame the saudi family: If you dont like it, dont go, simple. It is their country, they can do as they wish. If we had it the way of the Shia then the whole Haram would have been a place of blood and worship of others besides Allaah. The truth is, people are jealous. And i am aware of the hadith of the sign of the hour where shepards will building tall buildings, there is nothing we can do to stop the decree of Allaah. It will happen.
sarni786 3 months ago
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obieelibya77 3 months ago
How is it wrong for Saudi ti take down the graves and houses and other things that belonged to the Sahaba or the prophet sallaahu alayhi wa salam? These places are not holy nor are they to be visited to be worshipped like most may do. Aslong as they leave the graves at ground level like they do and leave the kaba than what harm is actually being done? None at all except for peoples attachments to structures.
SalafeeSpot 3 months ago
In fact, Sauds are descendants of the Jewish tribes a.k.a. Banu Qaynuqa tribe, so they are Jews disguised as Muslims, which is tantamount to high treason and betrayal of Islam. Hence, these mindless morons are on destruction spree, I mean wherever they are discovering Islamic heritage or sites demolishing them just to please their Jews and western masters!
macmu881 3 months ago 5
@macmu881 No, you are wrong. There were certain jewish tribes like Banu Qaynuqa in Medina, however the direct ancestry of Saudi princes come from Mecca. There were no Jewish tribes in Mecca.
lren45 1 month ago
@macmu881 stop being such an anti-jew
lajungesombre 1 week ago
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THIS SAUDI GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE KICKED OUT. THIS WAHHABIS SHOULD BE KICKED. OW AHLE SUNNAH AND SHIA IN SAUDI ARABIA RISE UP NOW
ahleSunnah100 3 months ago
THIS SAUDI GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE KICKED OUT. THIS WAHHABIS SHOULD BE KICKED. OW SHLE SUNNAH AND SHIA IN SAUDI ARABIA RISE UP NOW
ahleSunnah100 3 months ago
presstv is shia people news channel.
jewel31781 4 months ago
Turning Makkah to Las vegas hey? The Saudi citizens needs to protest to stop this destruction from happening. It won't be long till the saudi government will let infidels enter Makkah and Madinah.
qahtaniproductions20 4 months ago
@qahtaniproductions20 and so they should, if god is true then all of the people of the world should ahve the ability to access it. or do you agree with apartheid?
utrapzab 4 months ago
Stop destroying the holy places !!!!!!!!!!
dazizova 4 months ago
It pisses me off that they let the zionists push them to war with Iran...
isratine 4 months ago
The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) replied, “That slave women give birth to their mistresses; and that you see barefoot, unclothed, beginning shepherds competing in the construction of tall buildings.”
Sign of end of time
555season 4 months ago
@Aliyah15 lol that's right, if we bury a shoe for 50 years & tell the shia it belongs to imam al sadiq...they will worship it ofcourse
LieExtinguisher 5 months ago
presstv is broadcasting from iran....so no wonder why shia envy saudi arabia
LieExtinguisher 5 months ago
Saudis "turning Mecca into Las Vegas" AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS THE BLESSED IMAM WILL RAISE AN ARMY OF FAITHFULS MADE UP OF THE MOST RIGHTIOUS PEOPLE ON EARTH WILL THE HOLY LAND(S)
djkhaled412 5 months ago
3 reasons why we should no dis arabs
Prophet mohamed bpuh was an Arab
The holy Quran is in Arabic
They r the chosen people. They will also enter jannah 1st
Zar4h 5 months ago
@Zar4h we must kick the saudi out of arabia
djkhaled412 5 months ago
@Zar4h For one, Muhammad ... salla Allahu alayhe wa sallam came from Ismael or Ishmael son of Abraham & Hagar. Abraham was from Ur of Chaldeas & Hagar of Egypt (the Turks).the Holy City of Mecca founded by Abraham & Ishmael & Hagar . ..none of whom were Arabs ... the children of
Ishmael later became Arabized. the Prophet Muhammad (saaws) was Arab by language & by custom but not by lineage. the poor will enter paradise lst, not Arabs. If u r Arab, its a shame u believe this, if u arent . . .
YurrahAlHadi 4 months ago
arabs don't deserve to have the custody of the two holy mosques, it belongs to all of muslims. the arabs think that they own islam
zamilabbas786 5 months ago 7
itfoe. never think you can wipe/change history ground. its like you changing your face for better one.
krullenbol 6 months ago
Wahabite-Salafiite are destroying Makkah!
elazar79 6 months ago
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@nagamora I know they are jealous
ArabMoney30 6 months ago
Rafidhi scum tv.
ahlulsunnahwaljammah 6 months ago
@ahlulsunnahwaljammah truth hurts he?
IslamNederland 5 months ago
@IslamNederland the title says "Las Vegas" impying gambling, prostitution etc, where is the truth in that. I think Karijis would rather support rafidhi scum (like anwar all waky did in yemen) than the sunnis.
ahlulsunnahwaljammah 5 months ago
@ahlulsunnahwaljammah hahahaha a there is prostitution, cambling and alcohol in SA I got it on tape if you wanna see, its al westernised mcdonalds on every block and musicstores everywhere, cocacola, redbull its turned into a second america!! but thats what you get if kaffir saudies are occupying muslim land. Anwar al awlaki supporting shia??? whahahaha he openly questions the ''ulema'' what they are going do do about the shia in yemen so how can he possibly cooperate with them??? liar....
IslamNederland 5 months ago
@IslamNederland. Subhana Allaah, you just made takfir of all saudies!
ahlulsunnahwaljammah 5 months ago
anwar al awlaki has put a video of 30 minutes with questions to the ''ulema'' wich they still havent answered. offcourse the scholars for dollars have made fatwa against him when he was put on the kill or alive CIA hitlist, we all know that saudi scholars only make pro america fatwas and not pro Islam fatwas and speaking the haq. The ''moderate, western, liberal'' saudi people are the dumbest on earth, seriously the just want so bad to become a westerner then a muslim, Inshallah ALLAH kill them!
IslamNederland 5 months ago
anwar al awlaki has put a video of 30 minutes with questions to the ''ulema'' wich they still havent answered. offcourse the scholars for dollars have made fatwa against him when he was put on the kill or alive CIA hitlist, we all know that saudi scholars only make pro america fatwas and not pro Islam fatwas and speaking the haq. The ''moderate, western, liberal'' saudi people are the dumbest on earth, seriously the just want so bad to become a westerner then a muslim, Inshallah ALLAH kill them!
IslamNederland 5 months ago
@IslamNederland lol, Salafis in the west refuted al waky well before he was on any Kafir CIA list. They refuted him when he was an ikhwani imam giving interviews on tv
ahlulsunnahwaljammah 5 months ago
@ahlulsunnahwaljammah don't forget al alwaky's visit to the Pentagon post 9/11
ahlulsunnahwaljammah 5 months ago
its high time islam was destroyed XD
Hails to Janaza she is the only one with the balls to stand up to you fools
GWARLOVER69 6 months ago
I dont like modern western buildings in Mecca!
SultanOfSwords 7 months ago
Presstv is an Iranian broadcaster , the half jews shia iranian filthy mullahs hate Sunnis muslims ( basicaly shia r not muslims ) and Saudi Arabia is the Heart of islam .they r just Jealous because The prophet Muhammed saw is an Arab and the heart of islam Makka is in Saudi Arabia .Long live the Saudi leaders ,they realy spend billions on the gests of the Rahmaan ,all of u iranian shia haters go back to worshipping fire
nagamora 7 months ago
u r compairing the most holy place on earth with las vegas
u idiots do u even know how much ksa pays to make the haj and ummrah
Comfortable for the gusts of allah we dont build this for fun and gampling we build it so
people can have the best and still be close to ka'abah ignorants
Muslimgirl191 10 months ago
Well, I'm no expert in Islam or Muhammad, but I have read that illiterated people has a remarkable memory for oral learning. That has been proven in studies through tribes in Africa, the Americas and even in Europe. Illiterated people memorizes most important things since they cannot write them down the same way blind people improve their hearing after loosing their vision. It's a kind of logical thing, if you think it well.
beto102001 11 months ago
@beto102001 okay so what's the point of what your saying?
Aws8819 8 months ago
I hope that what happened in Egypt happens in saudi arabia as well so that those puppet king and family are charged for supporting infidels like america
jew3hitler 1 year ago
i believe there are other hadiths, but because its importance is minor regarding practising the religion, i believe the black stone has not been covered much... hope that helped.
bagshitass 1 year ago
here is another one..Ibn `Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) quoted the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) as saying: “Touching them both [the Black Stone and Ar-Rukn Al-Yamani] is an expiation for one’s sins.” (At-Tirmidhi, Sunan, hadith no. 959. This hadith is classified as hasan by At-Tirmidhi and as Sahih by Al-Hakim (1/664), and Adh-Dhahabi agreed with him.)
bagshitass 1 year ago
@bagshitass Sorry, premature posting. What do you think of not toppling a system and replacing it with an unplanned glued together government and instead finding out why majority of the population don't speak Arabic or why those that do move to Makkah for religious reasons are relativly content with living this way? Maybe change it from within in a sustainable way?
khayraB 1 year ago
@bagshitass lol, it felt odd typing your name.
khayraB 1 year ago
*air punch*
khayraB 1 year ago
Muslims should attack the saudi army and take over, topple the dictators. they're tyrants, no one will miss them.
bagshitass 1 year ago
true look what these so called muslims are doing - astafurallah
ukurbanfarmer 1 year ago
maybe the east should remain "eastern" what has the west done for them, ever?
time4ascension 1 year ago
@time4ascension
Cars, air travel, Internet, telephones, various technological medical equipment to name but a few, and of course the cure to many diseases without having to wait for a fly to fall into your drink first.
Have you ever seen the film "The life of Brian" where the Jews keep asking "What have the Romans ever done for us?" :-)
TheRationalizer 1 year ago
Not surprising with the Saudi's Kingdom, very soon they will have a Casino at Mecca,
americaisevil1 1 year ago
Every year millions of Muslims walk around a black stone and try to kiss it without knowing why they do it except that Muhammad did it before them.
TheRationalizer 1 year ago
@TheRationalizer ..so you're saying that out of 1.8 billion muslims, none of them dont know why they kiss the black stone, tell me, have you ever spoke to every muslim on this planet?..you see how much of an idiot you are to state such an idiotic comment, clearly based on no fact? lol, what a fool you must be!
bagshitass 1 year ago
@bagshitass
As far as I know they do it because Muhammad did it but did not say why, so they do it without knowing the reason.
If you have evidence showing why it is done then please educate me, I like new information.
TheRationalizer 1 year ago
@TheRationalizer ..Well, the stone was originally white, when kissed all that persons sins are forgiven, hence now, thats why its turned black, we muslims believe it contains peoples sins, or negative energies, this is why we kiss the stone, to dispel sin.
bagshitass 1 year ago
@bagshitass
Thanks for the info. What is your source for this information?
TheRationalizer 1 year ago
@TheRationalizer i believe its sahih muslim, a hadith, but ill get more precise info, because thats the real way forward.
bagshitass 1 year ago
@bagshitass
Thanks very much. Up until now I was only aware of the hadith where one of his followers said that he was kissing the stone even though he had no idea why he was kissing it.
TheRationalizer 1 year ago
@TheRationalizer thats no problem..here is 1..Ibn `Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him) further related that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said: “By Allah, Allah will bring it forth on the Day of Judgment, and it will have two eyes with which it will see and a tongue with which it will speak, and it will testify in favor of those who touched it in sincerity.” (At-Tirmidhi, Sunan)
bagshitass 1 year ago
@bagshitass
Do you have a sahih? Also do you have a reference of it taking away sins?
Considering Islam replaced the worship of stone idols I find this whole affair more than just a bit odd. Kissing a stone to remove sin when it is only Allah who can remove sin, and why would an all knowing being need testimony from a taking stone? And the Quran says only Allah knows the unseen and also what is in a man's heart, so how could the stone know?
TheRationalizer 1 year ago
@TheRationalizer ..the stone is only blessed, it cannot know nothing, but allah prescribed it for people who could make the pilgrimage, 1400 years ago travelling wasn't easy, it even could be psychological, because man thinks with his brain, then it goes to his heart..but the stone was given before the time of the prophet muhammed, we believe ibrahim ( as ) placed it there, the kaaba was first built by abraham PBUH
bagshitass 1 year ago
@TheRationalizer .allah knows everything, but has prescribed certain things for man, so he can actively do something for god by actions, islam is a very deep religion and only a scholar can be justified as to answering certain questions..if i were to give you a wrong answer, then you may still doubt, whereas a scholar can give the full answer..try AHMED DEEDAT on YT, hes a debater but you'll see things from a better perspective
bagshitass 1 year ago
@bagshitass
You don't find it at all odd that an area which was predominantly pagan is now predominantly of a religion where people kiss a stone? The Quran itself talks about how it is Allah with all power, and yet there is a belief in a benefit of kissing a stone before you die?
Do you think it is likely that when some people kiss this stone they feel an overwhelming emotion? One which should be reserved for worshipping Allah?
TheRationalizer 1 year ago
@TheRationalizer ..your questions have been answered by scholars, ive seen debates on youtube claiming the same thing, but as i said, its what Muhammed ( pbuh) has claimed, as i said, you need a scholar to answer that, but Islam is faultless, a perfect religion when studied, even the quran is mathematically perfect, it cannot be tampered with, you need to ask someone more knowledgeable.
bagshitass 1 year ago
@bagshitass
Perfect? Do you realise it gives men permission to have sex with as many slave women as they can afford to keep?
As for being mathematically perfect, please don't tell me you believe those numerology claims :-D
TheRationalizer 1 year ago
@TheRationalizer ..the women slaves referred to the time of the prophet (pbuh), because many men died in battle, it was ordered for them to take those women, they had no men left and lesbianism is not exactly encouraged, so it was common sense for their time..as for perfection, its got nothing to do with numerology, many earlier jews tried to corrupt the quran, but afterwards converted, they could not tamper with it, indeed, allah says he will preserve the quran himself til the day of judgement
bagshitass 1 year ago
@bagshitass
It was common sense that men could have sex with the slaves he owned to prevent lesbianism? You must be joking, right?
TheRationalizer 1 year ago
@TheRationalizer ..Also, can i refer to you quran and science, indeed, many things are in the quran that science has just learned, also, type in yt scientists convert to islam, it'll just show you some things that are beyond a normal man to know and why 1.8 billion and getting stronger are turning to Islam, but im no scholar my friend, but i know peoples misconception due to propaganda or lack of information, so i try my best, but a scholar or shows on YT can give you some answers.
bagshitass 1 year ago
@bagshitass
No it doesn't at all. It was this very subject that initially got me interested in Islam, I have looked at every Quran miracle claim and every one of them was utter rubbish.
TheRationalizer 1 year ago
@TheRationalizer ..ok, which part is rubbish? i said science and islam, also, listen to scientists that have converted and hear what made them convert, surely, these are educated people..until you research properly and with an open mind, no one can prove you anything, every man has an intellect, only he knows how much knowledge he wants, so i say, good luck and peace my friend, if you need information, you have the whole net at your disposal, goodbye.
bagshitass 1 year ago
@bagshitass
Every miracle claim I have ever seen for the Quran is rubbish, they are all fabricated.
As for scientists, the best Bucaille can do is not "The Quran is right" but "The Quran is not wrong" which is entirely different, and then he keeps the same conclusion even when the evidence turns out to be the opposite of what he expected.
As for Prof Moore, he didn't become a Muslim.
These people need to present their proofs, not their conclusions!
TheRationalizer 1 year ago
@TheRationalizer ..thats fine, but the ones i have seen give proofs, quotes and their own scientific analysis, i dont know which one you saw, but ive seen none which dont go into it scientifically.. also, if you are serious, go into any islamic debate on YT, scroll down the comments and ask this same question to a muslim you find knowledgeable and their are thousands, you'll get your answer, also, did you google quran and science? i didnt think you did, anyway, pleasure talking to you, keep well
bagshitass 1 year ago
@bagshitass
I watched the Keith Moore video, and I have read Maurice Bucaille's book.
TheRationalizer 1 year ago
@TheRationalizer Well im sure theres alot more material around than just those 2, but im not here to convert you, im saying theres loads of material, if researched with intent, that shows islam is atrue religion and one of peace, but veryone has a right to defend within the prescribed limits.
bagshitass 1 year ago
@bagshitass
And I am not here to deconvert you. However I will say that I have looked at EVERY miracle claim I could find about the Quran and not one of them is a miracle.
Why would you proclaim there are scientific miracles in the Quran if you don't know the details of these claims let alone researched them? Doesn't that indicate to you that you have made a premature conclusion?
TheRationalizer 1 year ago
@TheRationalizer ..i did not state that, i was specifically stating about the stone, i did menion had done little research as i knew the falsehoods of tainting Islam, which miracle did you read on..the quran claims the earth is egg like 1400 years ago, that was unknown, islam says there is a barrier between the salt sea and the fresh, the prophet PBUH was illiterate, yet he gave us this knowledge way before scientists accepted these facts.there are numerous,any serious researcher knows this.
bagshitass 1 year ago
@bagshitass
You believe that fresh water/salt water verse is a miracle? I see you also use the argument from ignorance "Muhammad was illiterate, how could he have known?"
watch?v=wmALFDbiIgE&t=240
I have covered both in this video. Let me know what you think.
TheRationalizer 1 year ago
@TheRationalizer ..also, which every miracle, can you be precise? Until you dont study a religion deeply, a person who doesen't want to learn knowledge in-depth, will not understand religion, as i said, the quran is full of miracles and the shows on YT show scientists and their statistics to why they converted and what made them, i have seen these, can you explain which part confused you or which part did not convince you?
bagshitass 1 year ago
@bagshitass
I researched every miracle claim I could find. If you know it then there is a good chance I have already researched it.
You assume that I do not want to learn. Watch my video "How the Quran led me out of darkness" - every word of it is true. I think you will find my investigation was sincere, and in fact biased toward it being true.
After researching these miracle claims ultimately I could not deny the obvious conclusion, the Quran really does have no miracles in it at all.
TheRationalizer 1 year ago
@TheRationalizer ..Well, if you know a learned muslim or have time to go on a video, especially a DR ZAKIR NAIK or AHMED DEEDAT video, you'll find educated muslims more than i, i suggest you ask one of them about the miracles, they certainly tell you more than the obvious ones, i know its a task, but i suppose knowledge does not come easy, you try that my friend and i hope, whatever your conclusions, that it may give you more knowledge than what we have now...peace.
bagshitass 1 year ago
@bagshitass
Naik is a deceiver. He uses a number of tricks to con the audience. For example when asked if the Quran mentions evaporation he said yes, he then listed about 10-15 verses which all apparently describe evaporation and everyone clapped; but when you check these verses none of them do.
My curiosity is, if YOU have never looked at these miracle claims why do you think they are real?
TheRationalizer 1 year ago
@TheRationalizer .. in the past, when i was a little more religious than now, i saw plenty of pamphlets and i have heard many imams on tv stations go into detail, for example, the quran mentions everything is made from pairs, no one could have conceived this idea, science tells us this is true, but as that was along time ago, i dare not pretend to know now what i knew a little of then..as for NAIK, how was he false, whats your answer to his false claims..be precise.
bagshitass 1 year ago
@bagshitass If you must disagree witha scholar, mention what was wrong then tell us the right answer..also, try SHABBIR ALI, another good scholar, theres plenty of them here and you can ask wiser people than me, i dont understand why you ask me when ive already said im no scholar, but, i have faith and thats what it comes down to, ive seen a bit too and that cements my belief in Islam, to me its down to belief and faith.
bagshitass 1 year ago
@bagshitass
I ask you your opinion because you have one. You have the opinion that these miracles exist despite never checking for yourself if they are true or not, you believe them because someone you see to be in a position of intellectual authority told you it is true.
However, there are more scholars who do not think they are true than do. So why do you believe the minority over the majority?
Why not just find the truth without prejudicing yourself?
TheRationalizer 1 year ago
@TheRationalizer .you're right in your ways of thinking, but god is of the unseen, as for the prophet being illiterate, thats the point, he gave info. that was not possible to have been known, every verse of the quran came through muhammed PBUH, even though he was illiterate, as you've read the quran, im sure that even an educated man cannot reproduce verses like it..as for naik, ill check him out, but as ive stated, ther are other scholars, type Islam and science, go thru the vids, youll see..
bagshitass 1 year ago
@bagshitass
Okay, let me address your points.
Illiteracy was irrelevant. Today it is our primary means of education so by today's standards it would be significant. In Muhammad's time + region literacy was not the primary method of education, it was oral recitation.
If you are claiming that these people cannot hear something and then accurately recite it then I am afraid you are also telling me that the content of the Quran is not trustworthy. Agreed?
TheRationalizer 1 year ago
@bagshitass
Next you say Muhammad could not have known. I have demonstrated for example how he could have known the 2 waters mixing information. Other people knew it, therefore humans can know it. Apart from this it is just the story of Genesis 1 reworded, that is quite clear.
What you are actually saying is not "Muhammad could not have known it" but "I don't know how he could have known it" - that is a position of ignorance from which you should not draw conclusions.
TheRationalizer 1 year ago
@TheRationalizer .. i never said that and judging by your channel, i can now see where you're coming from..muhammed PBUH could not read or write, there is no way he had info. on 2 waters mixing because i have seen debates regarding this subject, thats why i mentioned it..if Islam was false, it would not be the fastest growing religion today my friend.
bagshitass 1 year ago
@bagshitass
There are plenty of dyslexic people in the world some of these people are not just currently unable to read but would find it impossible to read. Yet they can paint, compose music, and also think up beautiful poems. Your idea that illiterate people cannot author poems is unfounded.
In addition, da Vinci made beautiful paintings, Mozart made beautiful music. Does this mean that god did it? Obviously not, so why make an exception for the Quran?
TheRationalizer 1 year ago
@TheRationalizer ..the difference is 1400 years ago is not today..the people of today can do it because one takes genes into perspective plus the benefits of society, 1400 years ago this was not possible..how did you come to that conclusion??
bagshitass 1 year ago
@bagshitass
Are you telling me that the people in Muhammad's region at the time of his life were unable to hear information and accurately re-tell it?
TheRationalizer 1 year ago
@TheRationalizer ..the majority were tribes, they were not into information and did not care, the ones that would have known certainly weren't going to preach to tribes..as for gods existance..we see this in his creation, you see the beauty but not the creator..the universe is run by law, all scientists saythis, but even law has to be controlled and created..who created that law? Allah.
bagshitass 1 year ago
@bagshitass
Okay, let me refine the criteria then. Are you telling me that Muhammad specifically was unable to hear information and accurately recount it to others?
TheRationalizer 1 year ago
@TheRationalizer ...of course he could, but what information are you suggesting? The majority of info. in the quran is fresh info., not something that others would know, as for the common, this is not what makes the quran a miracle to us..there are experiences on a daily basis that proves qurans miracles
bagshitass 1 year ago
@bagshitass
So, Muhammad can hear thing and then accurately recount them to other people. In which case, do you agree therefore that he only needed to hear something in order to be able to remember it and tell it to others and therefore his illiteracy is irrelevant?
TheRationalizer 1 year ago
@TheRationalizer ..we judge his illiteracy by the whole of the quran, the known and unknown of the time, only a small percentage could have been known, but the quran is the final word of Allah,in it are things neither contained in christianity or judaism, this is where one looks at the quran and its messenger differently.
bagshitass 1 year ago
@bagshitass
You didn't answer my question. With regards to his ability to hear information, remember it, and then tell it to others, do you agree that his illiteracy was irrelevant?
TheRationalizer 1 year ago
@TheRationalizer ..that depends on the info..what you're suggestively saying, is that certain miracles or paragraphs could have been repeated and made devine..this is not where we appreciate the prophets PBUH knowledge..the quran is deep and no ordinary person can recreate this quran, a challenge still standing 1400 years and going.
bagshitass 1 year ago
@bagshitass
So, are you now claiming that Muhammad's ability to remember things depends on what he is remembering?
TheRationalizer 1 year ago
@TheRationalizer ..no, i stated clearly he could remember and re-tell, my point is Muhammed PBUh received certain revelations and the whole of quran, this was revelation, a normal deser dweller just cannot construct the quran, indeed, allah challenges man and jinn to produce a verse thereof, if he can..no one has!
bagshitass 1 year ago
@bagshitass
Okay, so you say that Muhammad had an excellent memory and could remember vast amounts of information (the entire Quran for example) just after hearing it.
So, considering he didn't need the Quran written down for him in order to learn it, in what way is his illiteracy relevant?
TheRationalizer 1 year ago
@TheRationalizer ..the prophet knew it by heart, no one needed to write it for him..people memorised it so they can write it down and hand it to generations to come..indeed, there are 1.4 billion strong, a wise move id say!
bagshitass 1 year ago
@bagshitass
But again you are avoiding the question. If Muhammad can memorise the entire Quran just by hearing it then that means he had an excellent memory, would you agree?
TheRationalizer 1 year ago
@TheRationalizer ..i never said he didnt.
bagshitass 1 year ago
@bagshitass
No, but you implied that Muhammad cannot know anything that he did not read. So, with that now out of the way do you agree that if ANYONE knew some information within his region during his life that it was entirely possible for Muhammad to have learned it - despite being illiterate?
TheRationalizer 1 year ago
@TheRationalizer ..yes thats true, but you seem to forget that the knowledge of the quran, mostly is something that was not known in the region..so if certain christian texts are mentioned, its because allah has stated them and everything stated is recorded.
bagshitass 1 year ago
@bagshitass ..but as we debate on, ill have to leave you for a while..i will answer whatever questions i can with you, but ill need a more knowledgable person regarding Islam to deal with the more exact purpose of your questions..peace, ill be back later bro.
bagshitass 1 year ago
@bagshitass
It seems you have agreed to the following:
1: The illiteracy of Muhammad had absolutely no bearing on his ability to learn
2: If anyone knew some information at the time then it is possible Muhammad could have learned it from them
So, if someone had once told Muhammad that in Genesis god put a barrier between the fresh water and the salt water so that they do not mix (Read Genesis 1) does that mean the miracle of the 2 waters in the Quran is no longer a miracle?
TheRationalizer 1 year ago
@TheRationalizer ..the quran as ive stated is mathematicaly perfect, it CANNOT be corrupted, its been tried but has never succeeded ...even great poets like dante have used quran to inspire their poetry.. art comes in all forms, but in a desert, coupled with a miraculous quran, its a fact that islam is the final way for mankind
bagshitass 1 year ago
@bagshitass
So, the Quran cannot be corrupted due to mathematical checksums? Is that your claim?
TheRationalizer 1 year ago
@TheRationalizer ..this is not my claim, this is known as a fact as many jews who converted to islam have said previously, it was this that made them convert..like i said, asking me is no good, im no scholar, the fact you ask me too much means you're satisfying some anger inside you..ill link you to a brother who'll fill you in
bagshitass 1 year ago
@bagshitass
You seemed to have been saying that the Quran cannot be corrupted because it is mathematically perfect, is this not what you are claiming?
TheRationalizer 1 year ago
@TheRationalizer ..yes of course, this is a fact!
bagshitass 1 year ago
@bagshitass
So, Sura 1 is one of the shortest. If I changed a single letter in that sura can you tell me how without knowing the original words you are able to detect mathematically that the contents have been changed?
TheRationalizer 1 year ago
@TheRationalizer ..but thats the point, millions upon millions know the quran by heart, also, yes you could tell because of the nature of classical arabic, the language is such that even if one dot was moved, the sentence would collapse, therfore, uncorruptable!
bagshitass 1 year ago
@bagshitass
No, that is not the point. You claimed that you can detect attempted alterations to the Quran mathematically due to its mathematical purpose.
A mathematical function does not need to know the original data in order to work on it. You can give it the text you wish to test and it will tell you whether or not it has been altered.
Are you claiming that you can do this *mathematically* with the Quran?
TheRationalizer 1 year ago
@TheRationalizer ..im quoting jewish scholars who converted to Islam, they stated that while trying to corrupt the quran it was impossible on many fronts, one of these fronts was that the quran is mathematically perfect, this is the view of majority of muslims, so your opinions are better asked to those who know the quran better.
bagshitass 1 year ago
@bagshitass
You are quoting people's conclusions rather than evaluating their evidence and reaching your own. This is called an appeal to authority. It goes like this
"Person X is clever, therefore I should believe what he says"
There are lots of people more clever than myself, but I only believe what they can prove to me.
So, can you show me that you can mathematically detect a change to a single letter in the Quran or not?
PS: My refusal to accept your claims is not anger.
TheRationalizer 1 year ago
@TheRationalizer ..no, if im a student, i need to ask a teacher, not someone who knows little, does not make his knowledge wrong, but a person qualified for such a debate is better..the fact that you refuse to debate someone with more knowledge shows your intention clearly..any person knows that a teacher is better than a student,,im like a student, but ill get you a scholar if you want, but you dont want to, because you know what'll happen
bagshitass 1 year ago
@bagshitass
I don't refuse to debate someone with more knowledge than you, I will discuss Islam with anybody at all.
The reason I want to continue discussing with you is because you believe something without having any reason what so ever to believe it. It is typical behaviour for Muslims to say "Talk to my scholar" - it is a tragedy, because it is an accepted way of not actually bothering to think about what you think is true.
E.g. I just disproved your claim of mathematical perfection.
TheRationalizer 1 year ago
@TheRationalizer ..you did not disprove any fact, all muslims are not allowed to preach or debate without real knowledge, how can a student teach a class and say ignore the teacher? you see, we will be questioned for idle knowledge, so id rather not do it, indeed, i stated this the 1st time, im sure you'll agree..so my thing was to enlighten you on info and links that you may want to know better.
bagshitass 1 year ago
@bagshitass
Okay, let me put it this way.
You claim that the Quran is mathematically perfect to a point that if it were altered even slightly it would be possible to detect it. Please provide me with
1: The mathematical function to run the text through
2: The checksums I should expect for each verse
3: Proof that the checksums are correct (I will accept for example the checksum for Sura1=1, Sura2=2 without requiring proof)
Can you do that?
TheRationalizer 1 year ago
@TheRationalizer ..theres alot more and its alot deeper than we both know, knowledge after all is deep..but as i said, if you ask any brothers on any islam and science vids, you'll find out better, if not, ill see if i can provide you with a link that may give you better information..but like i said, i have faith, no one has seen Allah yet we know of his existence, through his creation and many other attributes.
bagshitass 1 year ago
@bagshitass ..here is a link for you, check it out, ill try get you something more specific.
bagshitass 1 year ago
@bagshitass
You seem to not realise that the existence of god does not automatically prove the existence of Allah.
Allah is the name you associate with the creator of the universe (if it exists), but that does not mean that you know what it wants. Without evidence how can you be sure the Quran has anything at all to do with what it wants?
Without evidence how can you know it is not the god of the Mormon bible?
TheRationalizer 1 year ago
@bagshitass
So a while back you heard 1 side of an argument presenting miracles in the Quran, didn't research them, and then accepted them to be true. Ever since then you have just believed them, is that right?
Why would you do that? Why would you believe the claims of another person without checking them?
Did you watch my video explaining the two waters not mixing for example?
As for NAIK, watch is video with Cambel asking about evaporation then check his answer for yourself in detail.
TheRationalizer 1 year ago