Nice video....sorry dump people are claiming this as chemtrails....ugh so dumb. But what was the jet that the video was from. I didnt realize p51s could fly at that high of speed.
What theu conspicuously aren't showing on purpose is that these contrails eveaporate moments after they are relesed. I call the producer of this video when bringing the subject of chemtrail vs contrail issue is a lying scumbag of an omission expert. failure
@jadrummer110 are you serious? you can see at the end of the video that they are further away from them by a long ways and its still there...the truth is slapping you in the face. why wont you wake up and realize that just happens with ever plane that can fly over 20k feet. its really simple stuff.
The Germans had a system to capture the exhaust vapor on their last great airships- (LZ 130 Graf Zeppelin) , which must have made them much more difficult to detect
@cod4madass Yes, a smoke system, we see them all the time at air shows like at Moffet field in Mountain View Ca. they put on a show. Also Watsonville Ca. The jets do it as well...This video doesn't really go to the issue of natural contrails. I have other issues with this video but I'll leave it alone.
This video is well known from aviation websites with P-51 pilot/owner Jack Roush (before his recent accident) and Ed Bowlin, both flying at high altitude in February 2004 in two of Roush's P-51s. Not a smoke system at all. Several restored P-51s have functional O2 systems, but this is uncommon for modern flying.
@silverbird58 Its been years since I read of Mantell. I think his plane was riddled with holes. I know UFO's are real, I recorded them in Utah in 1987. A classic Saturn shaped one and a large 2-spheres connected and with a smaller sphere connected to that. It lit up a cliff behind me with a almost pure white light. It got my attention! I turned on my camera and recorded them without knowing it. Yet the sphere object was about 1/2 the diameter of the moon. And I didn't see it. Odd. I posted it.
@2dlamb So exactly why would a ''chemtrail'' perist and a contrail not? A contrail is essentially a cloud, clouds persist so why shouldn't a contrail.
Fantastic that they did this. All of a sudden, it's 1944 again. Just being at that altitude, the pilots got a little taste of what it was really like when these aircraft were new.
Not trying to be obnoxious but thought you might like to know that that scoop on the belly of the Mustang is actually the air intake for the radiator . The engine was water cooled and the scoop allowed the pilot to control the amount of air flowing past the radiator and then it vented to the rear, out the exhaust looking vent under the belly.
All told, it was an awesome design and beautiful aircraft, both mechanically and physically.
The aerodynamic design of the radiator housing combined with the heated air exiting the adjustable door was factored in the design as a form of thrust.
@SoaringEagle2005 Actually this all happened because Jack Roush who at the time owned both of these Mustangs wanted to go make contrails with them. It's as simple as that.
@chubsmagoo He proved that persistent contrails are just that, contrails! The sky over Germany during WW2 were full of them and they turned into cloud cover.
@drbackjack Thanks I know forgot type them in. But your missing the point my comments where to address the difference between them and comment that some pilots remove them. My grandfather flew a P-47 during the war and his squadron didn't experience turbocharge fires like your taking about. Pilots would immediately know when the turbo was not making boost from them gauge.
You seem to be laughing at the fact of chemtrails, what about the scientific evidence that has been collect regarding the content of CHEMTRAILS NOT CONTRAILS. ?
Well lets all have a laugh while we all breath in poinsons shall we.
Just because they are producing contrails doesn't mean they are flying fast.................B-17 used to create contrails......German pilots would flying behind them and attack them without being seen.
60 plus years ago now, imagine 600 B-17s and 300 P-51s all flying into Germany at 20000 feet all making these contrails. It must have been mind blowing.
@Warhorse46 and suddenly balck clouds appeared all around them...one after another going down when it suddenly stopped...only to let the german fighters attack
If only the feeling of those young men was the same as what we feel today. They were terrified, not knowing if they would live to see the next 20 minutes.
Mustangs up on a "perch"! Thats awesome seeing them still flying at the altitude they were designed to fly. All you need are some FW 190's for them to dive on!!!
Um...yeah. One problem with that, the TA-152 was barely in production since it didn't come into play until the war was about over. There is no record of them EVER engaging P-51's.
93 were built before the war ended. they fought a couple of times with allied forces but engaged them at low altitudes where thier preformance was lower. On a test run Kurt Tank the head designer ran into three P-51s all he had to do was punch it and he easily got away.
Actually only 43 were built since production started in January 1945, six of which were prototypes. Running away due to jammed guns does not count as a dogfight or engagement. As I understand it the P-51's never even saw him since no P-51 patrols reported such an engagement that day. They never saw him & thus didn't give chase so it's understandable that he "easily got away".
He saw 4 Mustangs, not 3, and they didnt even see him.
And who gives a shit if it was faster, there were faster aircraft than the P-51 in the war, and many of those were on the Allied side. Besides, the TA-152 is garbage compared to the 262.
i'm just wondering what FL this was at. always a beautiful site to see. to bad the two didn't have a b-24 liberator with them too. that would have capped it off.
Great Video!! This was what the Mustang was built for, and was a common sight over Germany in WWII. It is very similar to what you would see from an F82 "Twin Mustang" at this altitude. Too bad the first one wasn't delivered till 21 Aug 1945, after the war. Are there any flying now? Anybody know of any replicas being built? Carry on Dudes!!!
I have always loved the look of US WWII fighters especially on the Mustang. The natural metal, colourful paintwork and nose art look just great. The Spitfires were covered in drab camouflage (but still managed to look pretty).
The underslung Radiater was designed so that it actually produced a little thrust. but other then that it used the same engine as the Spitfire & Hurracane fighters used by the R.A.F. it was A license built Rolls-Royce Merlin Engine. they made them at Packard in the U.S.
thats because the P-51's are flying up around 40,000 feet, above the jet that the guys are flying in. I doubt that the jet those guys are flying in can get up there, those 51's are at least 5 or 8,000 feet above that jet.
Not if they flew low enough. Contrails won't appear in certain conditions. There was a seminal stufy in 1953 by H. Appleman to determine what conditions exactly these are. It was comissioned specifically so military planes knew how to not put out contrails. :)
yep thats stock merlin crammin it in with hot fuel (we can't get that here ) the birds needed re inspected ooxy tank or "modern" oxy bottle strapped in?
That was the altitude they operated at back then! 1945 was the pinnacle of propeller aircraft design. Turboprops replaced the amazing piston engines of that day and age, piston-props today don't even come close to what they had back then.
I once asked an F4U pilot and he said the blower was "not hooked up." I did some checking, take off power for the F4U is around 55 inches at 3000, you can't get the man. press. above s.t.p. without supercharging. The P-51 take off power is something like 61 inches at 3000 and again is impossible without supercharging. Superchargers are shaft driven and an integral part of the engine. I stand corrected. Maybe the F4U pilot was referring to the turbo-supercharger?
In my study books for aircraft engines (JEPPESEN POWERPLAND) there is a sure difference between a supercharger and turbocharger. I had a schematic drawing of a Merlin. I believe it was Turbo-supercharged. And I also do not think that some of them remove the Turbo charger. But I can be mistaken. I'll ask some old Spit flyers next time I see them.
But do not forget that the Turbo charger does not kicks in at a specific altitude.
The difference between a supercarger and a turbo charger is the supercharger is mechincally driven while the turbo charger is driven for the exhaust gases. The Merlin v1650-7 has a two stage supercharge it has a high and low blower. the p-38's allison is the only turbo super charger I know of during ww2
Well, I can imagine that taken away the Turbocharger does not level off the entire power output, but it seems strange. The only reason I can imagine is to reduce maintenance and probably saving lifetime of materials and parts.
I think you mean that they are both driven by the exhaust gasses of the engine but that the supercharger supplies "added" power mechanically while the turbo has a compressor that compresses your intake air...thus the saying "Forced induction."
the merlin v1650-7 supercharger is gear driven off the crankshaft it is very similar to the centrifugal kits sold for cars today.Like I said before the difference between superchargers and turbos is exactly what I stated earlier.Any thing driven from the exhaust gases is a turbo charger. They are just calling it a turbo supercharger it's really a turbo charger. A super charger is mechincally driven either by gears or belts.
you are correct about the forced induction part both systems do that they just do it in diffent ways. If you do not believe me check out turbos and superchargers on the web.
If you took the supercharger or turbocharger off the engine, it would not perform at high altitude. The engine would be so starved for air, it might not actually run above a certain altitude. Those engines were not built to run without forced induction, it would be like taking the turbo out of a turbo car. Instead of being 300 HP (for example), it would be way less than 120 HP.
Yep. :P And, a 300 hp motor turbo motor without the turbo wouldn't be able to run at all above 20,000 feet anyway.
I do believe that mine3222 might be referring to methanol or water injection. It allows the engine to run extreme boost, referred to as War Emergency Power. Disabling or removing the injection system for water or methanol would be perfectly fine for a privately owned and flown WWII vintage airplane. :)
The methanol and water injection system is used to control detonation. It cooled the air fuel mixture temperature preventing detonation at high boost levels. Disabling it would be dangerous if these high boost levels where still used. Also keep in mind the methanol water injection system was used in combat emergency situations when the pilot needed higher boost levels
True. Water injection, injecting water or water vapor, into a motor also raises the compression ratio, since liquid doesn't compress. Experience with automotive engines that have superchargers or turbochargers on them shows that you can raise the boost level using water injection. Ethanol raises the octane level of the fuel (essentially), which enables a higher boost level to be run, while also cooling the air-fuel mixture. Quite complicated...
you are completely wrong. On turbo chargers two comppessor are attached together one side is driven by the engines exhaust gasses the other side compresses the air. On supercharges the compressor is driven mechinically by a belt or gear drive system. The are both Force induction.Force induction is used when refering to an engine that is not relying on atmospheric pressure.Period the end. please research before you sound off
@bexum99 The B-17 had turbosuperchargers. So did the P-47. On the P-47 it was located at the lower rear of the fuselage. they were a pain. Since they were driven by exhaust gasses, they tended to have a higher probability of catching fire. In a P-47, the pilot would not know about it until too late.
" I had a schematic drawing of a Merlin. I believe it was Turbo-supercharged. "
No. The Allison V-1710 used in the P-38 was turbo-supercharged, but never the Merlin. The Merlin had a much more capable mechanical blower than the Allison.
The Pratt&Whitney R-2800 in the P-47 was also turbocharged, as of course were the Wright 1820s in the B-17 and the Pratt&Whitney R-1830s in the Liberator.
All those engnines had "blowers" driven by the crankshaft to compress intake air and compensate for thin air at high altitudes. The Merlin's blower was a 2-stage 2-speed unit that could provide lots of boost. The others all had single-stage blowers, but used exhaust driven turbochargers to feed air into the mechanical blower- another way of getting a 2-step pressure boost.
The 1650-7 has a 2 stage super charger that has a compression ration of 6:1 on stage 1, and then 8:1, the pilot switched between either setting by using a switch, it was a hydraulically driven solenoid switch that moved a cog wheel. The supercharger was driven off the crank shaft. After supercharging the mixture was then cooled off through a radiator between stages, to prevent pre-ignition, the Merlin used Iron heads(not aluminum).
There is no turbo charger, because these engines have straight exhaust coming from the heads, that's why you see the tail pipes off the side of the plan by the nose.
Someone below said that the Merlin's had a 61 on the manifold pressure, and you are just about right on the mark with that. RPM's went to around 3,000 WOT, while the P-51H models had WEP to around 3,300.
BTW, great video, nothing like seeing the pinnacle of American piston air power.
Umm, I rather think you mean BRITISH piston power!! American airframe, BRITISH engine! :) That said, the P-51 was the outstanding US fighter of WW2, very sexy too! It's amazing what the US & British can build when they co-operate- P-51 Mustang, Shelby Cobra- British chassis, US muscle, Ford GTO, British chassis, US muscle-World beaters. Spanners, as well as hands across the ocean! :)
I agree with you. It may have been a British design, but the American division of Packard built the V-1650-7 and made huge improvements on the engine. Notably the ability to run machine tools and the using machinery to build the engine, while the British RR was built by hand.
Unusual to see contrails on a warbird these days. Most warbird owners do not have the superchargers installed. meaning flights below the contrail level. These mustangs must be an exception.
you just makin" this up aren't you. the merlin v1650's supercharge is gear driven off the crank they are using the supercharge for more than just performance at altitude it also insures that the engine get a better air flow mixture to the cylinders.Anyway most owners donot disconnect them.
NO owners "disconnect" the supercharger. The Merlin engine (at least the version used in aircraft) rely on the supercharger for proper crakshaft torsional vibration damping. Most owners never take them up that high, though. The Rolls Royce Meteor tank engine is a normally-aspirated version of the Merlin, but it is very different.
mine3222 if you don't believe me watch crazy horse take off video the pilot tells how many inches(boost) on the supercharge he wants. He makes a reference to both chargers
At altitude the Mustang actually has a top speed of 439 mph during level flight. During a dive, these planes can go significantly faster, but the stress on the airframe from pulling out of a dive too quickly can cause failure.
This is something that Jack Roush <nascar team owner and also the owner of the P51 "Gentleman Jim" and former owner of "Old Crow"> has always wanted to do, take a P51 up high and make contrails, he is at the controls of the lead mustang while I dont know who is flying the other Mustang.
Omg! I love this aircraft! I feel excited when I hear the roaring sound of it's beautiful engine:P Not easy to hear the sound on this tape though. But I dont care...Theese aircrafts are still the most beautiful aircrafts I know of:P Except the Spifire of course:p
I dont know for sure, but it could be a plane entering service after D-day. A lot of planes with invasion stripes seems to be seen in the sky actualy TO good, and also for the enemy if you know what i meen. Thats why later planes where not fitted with the stripes.
Before D Day, the Allies weren't entirely sure the Luftwaffe didn't have some surprises for them. P51s and ME 109s look alike to most guys with guns on the ground, as somehow P47s were often mistaken for FW190s. The rule was, "Don't shoot anything with the stripes!".
Yes, this was learned the hard way from the invasion of Sicily. We couldn't recognize our own planes and ended up shooting down our own aircraft including fighters, bombers, and C47 troop transport planes. Many Americans we killed by friendly fire this way. The stripes are called "Invasion Stripes" because they were added for the Normandy Invasion.
Chemtrails from P-51s?! oh my god.....thats crazy!! Those V12 engines steam jus like cars do in the winter time except up there at 30,000ft, the water droplets freeze into ice crystals.
where you going guys
navajo1806 3 weeks ago
Nice video....sorry dump people are claiming this as chemtrails....ugh so dumb. But what was the jet that the video was from. I didnt realize p51s could fly at that high of speed.
collinsworth1982 3 weeks ago
Nice!
sparrow111260 2 months ago
This is a nice video for "chemtrails" cult stupid adepts ^^
MultiScrotch 5 months ago
jadummer...Maybe you should put on your tin foil hat and move out of your mommy's basement? And for christ sakes get away from that computer!!!
MrMoterhed 6 months ago
What theu conspicuously aren't showing on purpose is that these contrails eveaporate moments after they are relesed. I call the producer of this video when bringing the subject of chemtrail vs contrail issue is a lying scumbag of an omission expert. failure
jadrummer110 6 months ago
@jadrummer110 are you serious? you can see at the end of the video that they are further away from them by a long ways and its still there...the truth is slapping you in the face. why wont you wake up and realize that just happens with ever plane that can fly over 20k feet. its really simple stuff.
collinsworth1982 3 weeks ago
Simply Beautiful!!
R32inAZ 7 months ago
That is some nice rare footage.
XCougar85X 7 months ago
Red Tails!!!...Tuskeegee 51s??
kenns9 8 months ago
@kenns9
No, they have markings for the 357th FG.
FiveCentsPlease 8 months ago
The Germans had a system to capture the exhaust vapor on their last great airships- (LZ 130 Graf Zeppelin) , which must have made them much more difficult to detect
orcstr8d 9 months ago
Those Merlins had to be running nice and cool at that altitude!
billt460 9 months ago
BEAUTIFUL!!
terry46619 11 months ago
watch?v=07VVgfwkbdY
AsPinkAsAPanther 1 year ago
wow!
djelpicudo 1 year ago
Hey, where's the guy that writes in with a UFO report whenever there's a bug on the canopy?
schlusselmensch 1 year ago
Nice pair of P-51's , Nice Natural contrails. A nostalgic seen to be sure.
spiralreplicator 1 year ago 3
ach ja hab heute n einsamkeits anfall
sweetyrose101 1 year ago 10
smoke system.
cod4madass 1 year ago
@cod4madass Yes, a smoke system, we see them all the time at air shows like at Moffet field in Mountain View Ca. they put on a show. Also Watsonville Ca. The jets do it as well...This video doesn't really go to the issue of natural contrails. I have other issues with this video but I'll leave it alone.
IExposeMormonism 9 months ago
@IExposeMormonism
This video is well known from aviation websites with P-51 pilot/owner Jack Roush (before his recent accident) and Ed Bowlin, both flying at high altitude in February 2004 in two of Roush's P-51s. Not a smoke system at all. Several restored P-51s have functional O2 systems, but this is uncommon for modern flying.
FiveCentsPlease 8 months ago
@IExpo I'd be more interested in your take of captain mantell and his last flght at bowman feild /F51F air intercept of ufo .. 1949 i think
silverbird58 6 months ago
@silverbird58 Its been years since I read of Mantell. I think his plane was riddled with holes. I know UFO's are real, I recorded them in Utah in 1987. A classic Saturn shaped one and a large 2-spheres connected and with a smaller sphere connected to that. It lit up a cliff behind me with a almost pure white light. It got my attention! I turned on my camera and recorded them without knowing it. Yet the sphere object was about 1/2 the diameter of the moon. And I didn't see it. Odd. I posted it.
IExposeMormonism 6 months ago
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here you can find the p51 flight manual flightmanuals.yolasite.com
32azaf 1 year ago
Thanks for video!
Best shot of Contrails from a prop plane I have seen !
Paranoid Chemtrail ratbags will deny this of course!
erniepond1 1 year ago 2
@erniepond1 theres obviously a difference between contrails and chemtrails. you can see that these contrails disperse in the air. chemtrails don't
2dlamb 1 year ago
@2dlamb
Same old paranoid Chemtrail nonsense!
Depending on upper atmospheric conditions, some contrails can persist and spread over a long period of time.
erniepond1 1 year ago 3
@2dlamb So exactly why would a ''chemtrail'' perist and a contrail not? A contrail is essentially a cloud, clouds persist so why shouldn't a contrail.
piggypolice 1 year ago 2
Cool.
Tang0Fox1 1 year ago
Fantastic that they did this. All of a sudden, it's 1944 again. Just being at that altitude, the pilots got a little taste of what it was really like when these aircraft were new.
friedgreencorrado 1 year ago
Not trying to be obnoxious but thought you might like to know that that scoop on the belly of the Mustang is actually the air intake for the radiator . The engine was water cooled and the scoop allowed the pilot to control the amount of air flowing past the radiator and then it vented to the rear, out the exhaust looking vent under the belly.
All told, it was an awesome design and beautiful aircraft, both mechanically and physically.
khaki5609 1 year ago 3
@khaki5609 Holy shit you've been trolling for decades
TrutherD1 1 year ago
The Mustang did have a jet-type exhaust system. Ever seen that bulge under the wing? When the pilot pressed a button, a little door opened. Presto!
uberkelvin 1 year ago
@uberkelvin
The aerodynamic design of the radiator housing combined with the heated air exiting the adjustable door was factored in the design as a form of thrust.
FiveCentsPlease 1 year ago
Must be the Horsemen between shows
SoaringEagle2005 1 year ago
@SoaringEagle2005 Actually this all happened because Jack Roush who at the time owned both of these Mustangs wanted to go make contrails with them. It's as simple as that.
chubsmagoo 1 year ago
@chubsmagoo He proved that persistent contrails are just that, contrails! The sky over Germany during WW2 were full of them and they turned into cloud cover.
ChrisArcen 1 year ago
I just jizzed in my pants. The P-51 is still the queen of the sky.
drbackjack 1 year ago
@drbackjack Thanks I know forgot type them in. But your missing the point my comments where to address the difference between them and comment that some pilots remove them. My grandfather flew a P-47 during the war and his squadron didn't experience turbocharge fires like your taking about. Pilots would immediately know when the turbo was not making boost from them gauge.
bexum99 1 year ago
The P-51 was not turbo-charged- it had a two-speed supercharger.
Superfort1 1 year ago
You seem to be laughing at the fact of chemtrails, what about the scientific evidence that has been collect regarding the content of CHEMTRAILS NOT CONTRAILS. ?
Well lets all have a laugh while we all breath in poinsons shall we.
gwellyn2 1 year ago
really fast planes for the time
vroomba03 1 year ago 3
Aviator
This is Jack Roush (Roush Racing-NASCAR) and Ed Bowlin flying Jack's Mustangs. Believe photog done from Roush Racing's corporate Citation.
aviator701 1 year ago
i liked the barrel roll at the end!
kade6 1 year ago
HOLY SHIT!!
It's AWESOME!!
GotecskeXD 1 year ago
two good pilots two fresh birds at @ design flight spec doin top cover research??? good show...
silverbird58 2 years ago
Holy crap! CHEMTRAILS!
LOL.. not
WakeUpDummies 2 years ago 5
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fiction225 2 years ago
So speed is a non-player....
Texashark 2 years ago 2
It is a product of differential temperatures (hot exhaust vs. cold ambient air that is holding moisture) commonly found at a higher altitude.
Texashark 2 years ago 2
Just because they are producing contrails doesn't mean they are flying fast.................B-17 used to create contrails......German pilots would flying behind them and attack them without being seen.
Aussiephil99 2 years ago 4
Fast has nothing to do with it, it's altitude, air density and humidity.
klesmer 2 years ago 6
klesmer...........I know...that's what I'm saying.
The reason i made the comment is because if you read (more info) it says something about p-51s at altitude tagging along with a jet
Aussiephil99 2 years ago
Sorry Mate, I misunderstood. My wife says I have the beginnings of Old Timers desease.
klesmer 2 years ago
But you can fly fast and produce contrails!
lander4545 2 years ago
@Aussiephil99 When German pilot shot from behind, Mustang pilot do it like at 2.54.
sihille 2 years ago
Great footage, to see them up so close at this altitude is a privilage.
wharbio 2 years ago
might be contrails if they are above 25K ft...
josephcderer 2 years ago
how does a propeller driven plane make contrails?
BarbarianRebellion 2 years ago
All it takes is moisture from the spent fuel and COLD air.
khaki5609 2 years ago 20
@khaki5609
Don't forget the amazing looking prop contrails, usually only visible in sunset or sun rise photos.
xeronicus 1 year ago
By burning fuel
CumulonimbusCB 2 years ago
Go read up on contrail science. It's not difficult, but can't all be answered in these 500 character boxes.
Truthseekerfinder 2 years ago 4
This is Beautiful =')
icemann002 2 years ago
when was this video recorded?
PPiTTislakatamia 2 years ago
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chemtrails!!!
tetekofa 2 years ago
Your Funny.
mjward99 2 years ago
A good idea for jet-lovers who also like piston power is to make a jet version of the P-51 and put it in with the prop as decoration.
metallicastarwarsfan 2 years ago
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A M A Z I N G......
SXAJT 2 years ago
60 plus years ago now, imagine 600 B-17s and 300 P-51s all flying into Germany at 20000 feet all making these contrails. It must have been mind blowing.
Warhorse46 2 years ago 39
@Warhorse46 yaaa to rain incendiary bombs on civilians. must have been so cool.
2dlamb 1 year ago
@Warhorse46 and LOUD =]
xflowness 1 year ago
@Warhorse46 and suddenly balck clouds appeared all around them...one after another going down when it suddenly stopped...only to let the german fighters attack
Nebukadnezarthe2nd 10 months ago
If only the feeling of those young men was the same as what we feel today. They were terrified, not knowing if they would live to see the next 20 minutes.
ssmithdives 9 months ago
man thats some scary close formation
unillenium 2 years ago
Awesome!!!!!
marvinf14 3 years ago
that is so awesome to see
jimmytony87 3 years ago
Mustangs up on a "perch"! Thats awesome seeing them still flying at the altitude they were designed to fly. All you need are some FW 190's for them to dive on!!!
92naz32 3 years ago
or a Ta-152 to dive on them
MadMilitiaMen 2 years ago
Um...yeah. One problem with that, the TA-152 was barely in production since it didn't come into play until the war was about over. There is no record of them EVER engaging P-51's.
92naz32 2 years ago
93 were built before the war ended. they fought a couple of times with allied forces but engaged them at low altitudes where thier preformance was lower. On a test run Kurt Tank the head designer ran into three P-51s all he had to do was punch it and he easily got away.
MadMilitiaMen 2 years ago
Actually only 43 were built since production started in January 1945, six of which were prototypes. Running away due to jammed guns does not count as a dogfight or engagement. As I understand it the P-51's never even saw him since no P-51 patrols reported such an engagement that day. They never saw him & thus didn't give chase so it's understandable that he "easily got away".
92naz32 2 years ago
Not even one of those "facts" were correct.
93 is wrong. Less than 50 were built.
He saw 4 Mustangs, not 3, and they didnt even see him.
And who gives a shit if it was faster, there were faster aircraft than the P-51 in the war, and many of those were on the Allied side. Besides, the TA-152 is garbage compared to the 262.
Drpepper687 2 years ago
The Ta-152 was an intercepter. Fw-190 was a fighter. Different plane for different purposes.
TheSteamLocomotive 2 years ago 5
Good post. They were also heavy and unwieldy compared to the FW-190. Too much junk in the front.
klesmer 2 years ago
So where are these Mustangs hedding to?
Anacinc 3 years ago
what are your angels?
mjward99 3 years ago
i'm just wondering what FL this was at. always a beautiful site to see. to bad the two didn't have a b-24 liberator with them too. that would have capped it off.
b101aa2 3 years ago
Great Video!! This was what the Mustang was built for, and was a common sight over Germany in WWII. It is very similar to what you would see from an F82 "Twin Mustang" at this altitude. Too bad the first one wasn't delivered till 21 Aug 1945, after the war. Are there any flying now? Anybody know of any replicas being built? Carry on Dudes!!!
lincolnfixer 3 years ago
this plane may be no jet, but i think it is one of the best fighters ever built. especially the P-51D.
byekyle4178 3 years ago 3
Very Very Cool...
Imgaine the the P-51's pilots view. Nothing but praise for you two. Very respectful.
jsnavarra 3 years ago
Just to let everyone know, these Mustangs were being flown by Chuck Yeager and Clarence "Bud" Anderson on this rare, high altitude flight
ThinkingManNeil 3 years ago
Actually, This flight was performed by Jack Roush and Ed Bowlin.
gtinsley1 3 years ago
Mustang rules
fr3ds4t 3 years ago 2
I have always loved the look of US WWII fighters especially on the Mustang. The natural metal, colourful paintwork and nose art look just great. The Spitfires were covered in drab camouflage (but still managed to look pretty).
sundaywino 3 years ago 2
The underslung Radiater was designed so that it actually produced a little thrust. but other then that it used the same engine as the Spitfire & Hurracane fighters used by the R.A.F. it was A license built Rolls-Royce Merlin Engine. they made them at Packard in the U.S.
kdraper2007 3 years ago
Ever seen a p-51 at cruising altitude tage along with a jet????
No, No it's not a jet. :D It's just only normal piston engine. Nothing special..
murottaja 3 years ago
They're talking about the jet they're in.
skandalintegra 3 years ago
thats because the P-51's are flying up around 40,000 feet, above the jet that the guys are flying in. I doubt that the jet those guys are flying in can get up there, those 51's are at least 5 or 8,000 feet above that jet.
pepsi71ocean 3 years ago
Thats just beautiful! 2 beautiful warbirds at cruising altitude with contrails. I'd give anything to see that in person.
Engineer6418 3 years ago
The Luftwaffe must have seen a lot of P-51 contrails beginning in 1944.
Ayinger 3 years ago
Not if they flew low enough. Contrails won't appear in certain conditions. There was a seminal stufy in 1953 by H. Appleman to determine what conditions exactly these are. It was comissioned specifically so military planes knew how to not put out contrails. :)
singedrac 3 years ago
they looked into the skys for years ..
silverbird58 2 years ago
yep thats stock merlin crammin it in with hot fuel (we can't get that here ) the birds needed re inspected ooxy tank or "modern" oxy bottle strapped in?
silverbird58 3 years ago
Contrails, as a thumbrule, normaly occur above 30000 feet....
chinagilb 4 years ago
Those can't be stander Mustangs Right ??? I wonder what they have done to it.
4g63attack 4 years ago
That was the altitude they operated at back then! 1945 was the pinnacle of propeller aircraft design. Turboprops replaced the amazing piston engines of that day and age, piston-props today don't even come close to what they had back then.
Sarendil 4 years ago
Wow! thats some cool information :)
4g63attack 4 years ago
The service ceiling of P-51Ds in WWII was 41,900 feet.
FiveCentsPlease 4 years ago
Clearly is!
DuffySAS 4 years ago
Spitfires better =P
no way
dd170772 4 years ago
Spitfires better =P
DuffySAS 4 years ago
How high are these two birds flyin? Have to be well over 25,000ft.
6V92TA 4 years ago
nice one
where was it?
cheers
petrwarry 4 years ago
beautiful
brunoferrarri 4 years ago
I once asked an F4U pilot and he said the blower was "not hooked up." I did some checking, take off power for the F4U is around 55 inches at 3000, you can't get the man. press. above s.t.p. without supercharging. The P-51 take off power is something like 61 inches at 3000 and again is impossible without supercharging. Superchargers are shaft driven and an integral part of the engine. I stand corrected. Maybe the F4U pilot was referring to the turbo-supercharger?
mine32222 4 years ago
In my study books for aircraft engines (JEPPESEN POWERPLAND) there is a sure difference between a supercharger and turbocharger. I had a schematic drawing of a Merlin. I believe it was Turbo-supercharged. And I also do not think that some of them remove the Turbo charger. But I can be mistaken. I'll ask some old Spit flyers next time I see them.
But do not forget that the Turbo charger does not kicks in at a specific altitude.
metalmelvin 4 years ago
The difference between a supercarger and a turbo charger is the supercharger is mechincally driven while the turbo charger is driven for the exhaust gases. The Merlin v1650-7 has a two stage supercharge it has a high and low blower. the p-38's allison is the only turbo super charger I know of during ww2
bexum99 4 years ago
Well, I can imagine that taken away the Turbocharger does not level off the entire power output, but it seems strange. The only reason I can imagine is to reduce maintenance and probably saving lifetime of materials and parts.
metalmelvin 4 years ago
I think you mean that they are both driven by the exhaust gasses of the engine but that the supercharger supplies "added" power mechanically while the turbo has a compressor that compresses your intake air...thus the saying "Forced induction."
bugginryan 4 years ago
the merlin v1650-7 supercharger is gear driven off the crankshaft it is very similar to the centrifugal kits sold for cars today.Like I said before the difference between superchargers and turbos is exactly what I stated earlier.Any thing driven from the exhaust gases is a turbo charger. They are just calling it a turbo supercharger it's really a turbo charger. A super charger is mechincally driven either by gears or belts.
bexum99 4 years ago 2
you are correct about the forced induction part both systems do that they just do it in diffent ways. If you do not believe me check out turbos and superchargers on the web.
bexum99 4 years ago
If you took the supercharger or turbocharger off the engine, it would not perform at high altitude. The engine would be so starved for air, it might not actually run above a certain altitude. Those engines were not built to run without forced induction, it would be like taking the turbo out of a turbo car. Instead of being 300 HP (for example), it would be way less than 120 HP.
SarraPiyopiyo 4 years ago
no Kidding thats what I'm trying to say. mine3222 thinks all the superchargers are removed.
bexum99 4 years ago
Yep. :P And, a 300 hp motor turbo motor without the turbo wouldn't be able to run at all above 20,000 feet anyway.
I do believe that mine3222 might be referring to methanol or water injection. It allows the engine to run extreme boost, referred to as War Emergency Power. Disabling or removing the injection system for water or methanol would be perfectly fine for a privately owned and flown WWII vintage airplane. :)
SarraPiyopiyo 4 years ago
The methanol and water injection system is used to control detonation. It cooled the air fuel mixture temperature preventing detonation at high boost levels. Disabling it would be dangerous if these high boost levels where still used. Also keep in mind the methanol water injection system was used in combat emergency situations when the pilot needed higher boost levels
bexum99 4 years ago
True. Water injection, injecting water or water vapor, into a motor also raises the compression ratio, since liquid doesn't compress. Experience with automotive engines that have superchargers or turbochargers on them shows that you can raise the boost level using water injection. Ethanol raises the octane level of the fuel (essentially), which enables a higher boost level to be run, while also cooling the air-fuel mixture. Quite complicated...
SarraPiyopiyo 4 years ago
you are completely wrong. On turbo chargers two comppessor are attached together one side is driven by the engines exhaust gasses the other side compresses the air. On supercharges the compressor is driven mechinically by a belt or gear drive system. The are both Force induction.Force induction is used when refering to an engine that is not relying on atmospheric pressure.Period the end. please research before you sound off
bexum99 4 years ago
@bexum99 The B-17 had turbosuperchargers. So did the P-47. On the P-47 it was located at the lower rear of the fuselage. they were a pain. Since they were driven by exhaust gasses, they tended to have a higher probability of catching fire. In a P-47, the pilot would not know about it until too late.
Truthseekerfinder 1 year ago
@bexum99 The B-17 and P-47 also had turbo superchargers.
Truthseekerfinder 1 year ago
" I had a schematic drawing of a Merlin. I believe it was Turbo-supercharged. "
No. The Allison V-1710 used in the P-38 was turbo-supercharged, but never the Merlin. The Merlin had a much more capable mechanical blower than the Allison.
The Pratt&Whitney R-2800 in the P-47 was also turbocharged, as of course were the Wright 1820s in the B-17 and the Pratt&Whitney R-1830s in the Liberator.
RT440Vert 4 years ago
hey all of that it's very interesting, but it's a shame I don't understand it
Jimboukfk 4 years ago
All those engnines had "blowers" driven by the crankshaft to compress intake air and compensate for thin air at high altitudes. The Merlin's blower was a 2-stage 2-speed unit that could provide lots of boost. The others all had single-stage blowers, but used exhaust driven turbochargers to feed air into the mechanical blower- another way of getting a 2-step pressure boost.
RT440Vert 4 years ago 4
LOL what the hell did you just say lol i understand modern engines but old ones i get confused :S
airbus94 4 years ago
The 1650-7 has a 2 stage super charger that has a compression ration of 6:1 on stage 1, and then 8:1, the pilot switched between either setting by using a switch, it was a hydraulically driven solenoid switch that moved a cog wheel. The supercharger was driven off the crank shaft. After supercharging the mixture was then cooled off through a radiator between stages, to prevent pre-ignition, the Merlin used Iron heads(not aluminum).
pepsi71ocean 3 years ago
There is no turbo charger, because these engines have straight exhaust coming from the heads, that's why you see the tail pipes off the side of the plan by the nose.
Someone below said that the Merlin's had a 61 on the manifold pressure, and you are just about right on the mark with that. RPM's went to around 3,000 WOT, while the P-51H models had WEP to around 3,300.
BTW, great video, nothing like seeing the pinnacle of American piston air power.
pepsi71ocean 3 years ago
Umm, I rather think you mean BRITISH piston power!! American airframe, BRITISH engine! :) That said, the P-51 was the outstanding US fighter of WW2, very sexy too! It's amazing what the US & British can build when they co-operate- P-51 Mustang, Shelby Cobra- British chassis, US muscle, Ford GTO, British chassis, US muscle-World beaters. Spanners, as well as hands across the ocean! :)
LIVERPOOLSCOTTISH 3 years ago
I agree with you. It may have been a British design, but the American division of Packard built the V-1650-7 and made huge improvements on the engine. Notably the ability to run machine tools and the using machinery to build the engine, while the British RR was built by hand.
pepsi71ocean 3 years ago
Long haul sorties....not much to do but get high on the fumes...thank god for rad coms..nice one
krayonky 4 years ago
Unusual to see contrails on a warbird these days. Most warbird owners do not have the superchargers installed. meaning flights below the contrail level. These mustangs must be an exception.
mine32222 4 years ago
you just makin" this up aren't you. the merlin v1650's supercharge is gear driven off the crank they are using the supercharge for more than just performance at altitude it also insures that the engine get a better air flow mixture to the cylinders.Anyway most owners donot disconnect them.
bexum99 4 years ago
NO owners "disconnect" the supercharger. The Merlin engine (at least the version used in aircraft) rely on the supercharger for proper crakshaft torsional vibration damping. Most owners never take them up that high, though. The Rolls Royce Meteor tank engine is a normally-aspirated version of the Merlin, but it is very different.
RT440Vert 4 years ago
mine3222 if you don't believe me watch crazy horse take off video the pilot tells how many inches(boost) on the supercharge he wants. He makes a reference to both chargers
bexum99 4 years ago
if that would be smoke, i think you where in for a surprice with the engine failing after 3 minutes. They are just contrails.
metalmelvin 4 years ago
contrails appear depending on outside temperature. you can get them with piston engines and at 3000 feet , if the temp is cold enough.
dr3u9 4 years ago
It also depends on pressure and humidity.
singedrac 3 years ago
I think contrails are the result of the turbo charged engines. Like the B-17, at the altitudes they operated at, there were always contrails.
GeneralKenobiSIYE 3 years ago
Contrails can occur from any engine exhaust if the atmospheric conditions are right. Even one's own breath if it's cold enough.
singedrac 3 years ago
geez, what a wonderful sight!!! what was an altitude, 8-9000 meters?
flankingtiger 4 years ago
These were 2 of the P51s owned by Jack Roush a couple of years ago.
bobtonja 4 years ago
What altitude
kingair81r 4 years ago
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Pretty good CGI isn't it.
ducTur 4 years ago
Wow...and to think, 51 planes are going to be doing stuff like that this september lol
iceman977th 4 years ago
wouldent it suck if the P-51 on bottoms prop hit the other P-51 = / it likc chop in half = /
redman5556 4 years ago
it would be "GREAT BALLS FIRE!"
darthisaiah 4 years ago
at altitude...the mustang can go over 400 mph, Cessna citations (jet) are in the same category speed wise.
mjward99 4 years ago
At altitude the Mustang actually has a top speed of 439 mph during level flight. During a dive, these planes can go significantly faster, but the stress on the airframe from pulling out of a dive too quickly can cause failure.
MnDsDad 3 years ago
that's what dive brakes were for
VillageIdiot8055 2 years ago
not just stresses but at those speeds you are getting close to mach 1 which causes massive pressure build up and stalling. also learned the hard way
magnifypictures 2 years ago
What kind of jet was that? Corporate or commercial?
SpenzOT 4 years ago
hmm..i doubt it was commercial. they tend to fly much faster than the cruising speed of p-51s.
winie1 4 years ago
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loris77165 4 years ago
damn skippy
travinok 4 years ago
nice barrel roll
billy2757 4 years ago
these guys are real doing this no pressurized cabins AWESOME
dbo75 4 years ago
This is something that Jack Roush <nascar team owner and also the owner of the P51 "Gentleman Jim" and former owner of "Old Crow"> has always wanted to do, take a P51 up high and make contrails, he is at the controls of the lead mustang while I dont know who is flying the other Mustang.
chubsmagoo 4 years ago
Omg! I love this aircraft! I feel excited when I hear the roaring sound of it's beautiful engine:P Not easy to hear the sound on this tape though. But I dont care...Theese aircrafts are still the most beautiful aircrafts I know of:P Except the Spifire of course:p
galexon90 4 years ago
I understand the D-day stripes on one plane, but what is the single black line on the other one for?
xpdnc12 4 years ago
I dont know for sure, but it could be a plane entering service after D-day. A lot of planes with invasion stripes seems to be seen in the sky actualy TO good, and also for the enemy if you know what i meen. Thats why later planes where not fitted with the stripes.
metalmelvin 4 years ago
So you mean like any plane that invaded somewhere got the stripes? I don't undertsand. This is the first I'm hearing of this.
JonnySchretz 4 years ago
Before D Day, the Allies weren't entirely sure the Luftwaffe didn't have some surprises for them. P51s and ME 109s look alike to most guys with guns on the ground, as somehow P47s were often mistaken for FW190s. The rule was, "Don't shoot anything with the stripes!".
seabeetow4u 4 years ago
Yes, this was learned the hard way from the invasion of Sicily. We couldn't recognize our own planes and ended up shooting down our own aircraft including fighters, bombers, and C47 troop transport planes. Many Americans we killed by friendly fire this way. The stripes are called "Invasion Stripes" because they were added for the Normandy Invasion.
MnDsDad 3 years ago
the single line is also an identification stripe, used after and before the black and white invasion stripes, on all USAAF Fighters
FAFGXav 4 years ago
Mustangs Doing what they do best. High altitude flying. Ready to kill some FW 190 D's.
biggumm 4 years ago
Yes but dont forget the Fw190 D9's killed some of them as well, it was also a great aircraft with great and brave pilots.
sundaywino 3 years ago
"Chemtrails?" That's great, this world is infected with idiots.
chloroxjello 4 years ago 4
Chemtrails from P-51s?! oh my god.....thats crazy!! Those V12 engines steam jus like cars do in the winter time except up there at 30,000ft, the water droplets freeze into ice crystals.
6V92TA 4 years ago 2
Exactly. But as always, conspiracies have to go too far.
chloroxjello 4 years ago 2