Alexander Hamilton (January 11, 1755 or 1757 – July 12, 1804) was a Founding Father, soldier, economist, political philosopher, one of America's first constitutional lawyers and the first United States Secretary of the Treasury.
As Secretary of the Treasury, Hamilton was the primary author of the economic policies of the George Washington Administration, especially the funding of the state debts by the Federal government, the establishment of a national bank, a system of tariffs, and friendly trade relations with Britain. He became the leader of the Federalist Party, created largely in support of his views, and was opposed by the Democratic-Republican Party, led by Thomas Jefferson and James Madison.
Hamilton served in the American Revolutionary War. At the start of the war, he organized an artillery company and was chosen as its captain. He later became the senior aide-de-camp and confidant to General George Washington, the American commander-in-chief.
He served again under Washington in the army raised to defeat the Whiskey Rebellion, a tax revolt of western farmers in 1794. In 1798, Hamilton called for mobilization against France after the XYZ Affair, and secured an appointment as commander of a new army, which he trained for a war. However, the Quasi-War, although hard-fought at sea, was never officially declared. In the end, President John Adams found a diplomatic solution that avoided war.
Born and raised in the West Indies, Hamilton came to North America for his education, sponsored by people from his community. He attended King's College (now Columbia University). After the American Revolutionary War, Hamilton was elected to the Continental Congress from New York.
He resigned to practice law, and founded the Bank of New York. He was among those dissatisfied with the first national governance document, the Articles of Confederation. While serving in the New York Legislature, Hamilton was sent as a delegate to the Annapolis Convention in 1786 to revise the Articles, but it resulted in a call for a new constitution instead.
He was one of New York's delegates at the Philadelphia Convention that drafted the new constitution in 1787, and was the only New Yorker who signed it. In support of the new Constitution, Hamilton wrote many of the Federalist Papers, still an important source for Constitutional interpretation. In the new government under President George Washington, he was appointed the Secretary of the Treasury.
An admirer of British political systems, Hamilton was a nationalist who emphasized strong central government, and successfully argued that the implied powers of the Constitution could be used to fund the national debt, assume state debts, and create the government-owned Bank of the United States. These programs were funded primarily by a tariff on imports and later also by a highly controversial excise tax on whiskey.
Embarrassed when an extra-marital affair with Maria Reynolds became public, Hamilton resigned from office in 1795 and returned to the practice of law in New York. However, he kept his hand in politics and was a powerful influence on the cabinet of President Adams (1797–1801).
Hamilton's opposition to John Adams helped cause Adams' defeat in the 1800 elections. When Thomas Jefferson and Aaron Burr tied in the electoral college, Hamilton helped defeat his bitter personal enemy Burr and elect Jefferson as president.
After opposing Adams, the candidate of his own party, Hamilton was left with few political friends. In 1804, as the next presidential election approached, Hamilton again opposed the candidacy of Burr. Taking offense at some of Hamilton's comments, Burr challenged him to a duel and mortally wounded Hamilton, who died within days.
Alexander Hamilton was not a progressive or liberal at all! In fact Jefferson was the liberal one. If you studied Hamilton you would find that he was a master economist and managed a shipping and trading business completely on his own when most of us would be in middle school. He was not a progressive and had an amazing economic plan to help get the nation out of debt after the revolution and succeeded at doing so. Besides, George Washington himself trusted him. Believe me I am a Republican too
The real irony is that Jefferson was NEVER a good public speaker and would never (at least all history affirms this) be able to fluster Hamilton in a private debate. Hamilton was a lawyer and had a silver tongue while Jefferson was a person who was very shy, timid even, and conducted most affairs via writing, which was his strength. In addition, there is no historical event that this scene was supposed to reenact, it's a bit of theater, although it clearly has the ignoramuses here in a temper.
The fact is Jefferson & Hamilton needed each other. When Jefferson was tied with Aaron Burr in 1801, Hamilton urged his Federalist colleagues to cast their vote for Jefferson. When Jefferson took office, he left Hamilton's Bank of the U.S. intact, wisely seeing its value to a growing republic, even though he detested the idea when Hamilton proposed it to Washington. STATESMANSHIP triumphed when there was no other choice and today more than ever, we need STATESMEN not career politicians dammit!!
Which of these two Founders was against full ratification of the Constitution, formed an opposition press under the govt's dole, acted like a little child to Hammond the 1st official British amb., had what could be judged treasonous talks with Genet, along with Madison tried to use Congress to force trade away from Britain, covertly allied himself with State demagogues like George Clinton, ghost wrote the ignorant Giles Resolutions? - & this was just some of his doings in Wash's 1st Cab...
The truth is that Hamilton and Adams after the founding of the country were hated widely by most Americans. And certainly by Washington and Jefferson. Adams and Hamilton broke immediately after the formation of the country and wanted the Federal Government to elect a king and start the same tyranny they fought to get away from. They turned out to be evil. And we fight them still today. They are called progressives. Only thing is, they are regressives. It goes back to tyranny
Research. Do it. Then you'd know that saying Washington and Jefferson were staunch allies against Hamilton and Adams is insane. Out of that group of four, Washington and Hamilton were probably the closest political allies, and Washington broke with Jefferson over political differences. Neither Hamilton nor Adams actually wanted to change the government into a monarchy.
@VoidStone NO! Jefferson was for the states rights. Look at the history of Washingtons record. He supported a strong Federal Government, while Hamilton wanted a central bank. He wanted to splurge in debt. He got his way didn't he? Look at us now. Proof that Jefferson was correct all along. Of course this is why we talk about Jefferson endlessly in this country and Hamilton is NEVER mentioned. Jefferson was a hero while Hamilton wound up being a putz!
"He supported a strong Federal Government, while Hamilton wanted a central bank. "
You make it sound like those two things are mutually exclusive. You are aware that Washington signed the bill that created the bank DESPITE JEFFERSON'S protests, right? And that he praised the success of Hamilton's financial policies?
@VoidStone The central bank that was established was NOT what we have now. You can look no further than the constitution and see that they warned against this. (The Federal Reserve). I will say it again. Hamilton is not revered. Jefferson is. Why? Because Jefferson is a champion of liberty. He selflessly fought for the freedom of America. He was our greatest Founding father. Why? He has been proven right time and time again.
@SuperGuitarman69 Ah, but the public reveres Washington, too, and he was certainly with Hamilton on most things. The public is stupid and has little knowledge of history. They have a vague sense of Jefferson believing in liberty or something but most of them don't understand what that means. And blaming Hamilton for the debt is just silly. First of all, he lived hundred of years ago. Second, he DID want the debt to be properly managed and gradually distinguished, which it hasn't been.
@VoidStone People don't understand that the debt was much favorable to the devastated credit and finances of the country at the time, British currency (the pound) was the de facto currency of much of the country. Who is more patriotic? Hamilton who founds a bank with a funded debt to create an American stable financial system or the oligarchical son of privilege Jefferson who would rather have had the primacy of the British currency and no stable domestic currency? READ A HISTORY BOOK!
@VoidStone There is NO conspiracy. The majority of Americans understand these comments. They understand now what is happening. This isn't conspiracy. I have a degree in economics. And like many of other independent economists we have predicted every single bubble and bust that has happened in the last 20 years. Not only that, now we are warning of bankruptcy and the collapse of our economy. Which IS going to happen. I see NO politician listening.
@SuperGuitarman69 Actually many other countries copied the dirigistic polices of Hamilton to become powerful states themselves. 1st Bank of the United States =/= Federal Reserve. You would know this if you actually read some goddamn history that wasn't from an approved 'conservative' source.
The only reason why Jefferson is admired so much by Americans is because he wrote the Declaration of Independence and in his conflict with Hamilton, history gave Jefferson the opportunity to portray their disputes in the most favorable light. I did my thesis on Hamilton and got a first class honours. It is a shame that Americans just listen to the person beside them in praising Jefferson when in actual fact he was a dreamer. Do the research. Hamilton = Greatest 'American.'
@damroach No, Jefferson had it correct all along... Freedom and minimal government is the best government.. There is no question of that... Look at how government screws up everything it gets its hands on.. Only morons actually think big regulation giving government is best...
@VoidStone We have several things happening at once here. There is so much that it seems impossible to stop. There is a psychological aspect to this. You have creators and non creators. Thats it. So if you look at those in government? None are creators. So what do non creators do? They control the creators. That is Hamiltons government. If you cannot make the economy move? Then control it. This world is controlled by those in government. NONE of them creators. Is that over your head?
@SuperGuitarman69 I am curious, and I will keep this simple for you. How do you reconcile Jefferson and Madison's continuous attempts, - while he was Sec. of State under Wash. and Madison was in the House, to have Congress force trade away from Britain and onto France? I wont even ask you to explain Jefferson and Madison's belief that the Government should and could be used to keep the society at the commercial stage of development, nor about his embargo policy as President.
@SuperGuitarman69 IGNORANCE OVERLOAD! How many countries followed Jefferson's "plan" to prosperity, which I guess would be the "agrarian paradise? Zero. How many countries followed Hamilton's plan of an industrial policy, publicly financed debt and tariffs to support and promote local industries? Many (Germany, Korea, Japan, others).
Jefferson was a bundle of contradictions; he is ripe for quote mining if you don't actually read thoroughly the history of this era. Read!
@flarkfucky2 They are all owned by banking families. No we are all in a mess. Jefferson was correct the whole time. Keynesian theory matches Hamiltons central government utopia. Now we are all up shit creek without a paddle. The EU is a larger example of it. Greece is Hamiltons ideals on 10. Look at them. No you go way beyond ignorance.
@SuperGuitarman69 Ok, you're correct. The sky is falling, get in your bunker with your seed-vault and gold coins. Since you aren't really even trying to make a point just autistically spouting a bunch of pseudo-cryptic-conspiratorial mind farts I have no way to retort. If you were actually to try and calm your nerves and make 1 clear and concise point to which I could investigate that would be stellar. Until then just keep being afraid.
Hamilton wanted a central bank and an alliance with europe. He believed the greater the debt the greater the credit. Jefferson saw this even before the establishment of a central bank.
in 1913 Woodrow Wilson signed the Federal Reserved act. We go to wars for without a declaration from congress but from NATO. The US hasn't become a monarchy but more of a dictatorship. The dollar is crashing heading to a depression. Hamilton got his wish. 98 years later, do u think we are better off?
@moctezuma112 "and an alliance with europe" What? He wanted an alliance with every single nation in Europe? I believe you mean the British, Hamilton favoured good terms and an alliance with Britain while Jefferson favoured neutrality and an alliance with France who he saw as a natural ally.
"He believed the greater the debt the greater the credit." That's not a belief that's a fact, and it proved successful and drove the USA into finnancial prosperity.
ur right about the British. but now we are an alliance with Europe.
USA is in a financial prosperity? HAHAHAHAHAHA
$14 trillions in debt and having a weak dollar and economy and over 19% of unemployment in which 10 years we might head to a depression and all because the printing of money out of thin air coming from the US central bank AKA the Federal Reserve. does that look like financial prosperity to you?
@moctezuma112 You're making it appear as if Hamilton is respinsible for the defecit today (which he isn't). The debt was paid off however, during the course of US history (expansion, civil war, phillipine war, WW1, WW2 etc.) The US began borrowing again and paying off however, during the cold war it got our of hand and it lead to the collapse of 2008. It wasn't Hamiltons fault.
He first introduced the idea of the power of the central governement and the central bank. Alot of Historians praise him for his idea for bringing wealth to the US. Today his idea is failing because its all artificial. so yea its his idea to blame. the greater the debt the greater the credit.
How was all wars paid off? do you know?
borrowing was one but mostly through inflation and who prints the money? the central banks. making the peice of our pie smaller.
@moctezuma112 The whole point of the national debt (back in the late 18th century newly formed USA) was to increase the power of the central goverment not only reinforcing the bonds between the states into a unified nation but to also incourage trade on an international scale increasing US prosperity and the national debt would be (and it was under Hamilton) slowly paid off.
increasing the power of a central government is what bring empires to inevitably destroy itself no matter who runs it. After 3 presidential elections and promising to balance the budget and lower our debt, we have increased it dramatically. sure we can try to pay it off once the US goes through bankruptcy and having the dollar to be as good as toilet paper.
@moctezuma112 "increasing the power of a central government is what bring empires to inevitably destroy itself." Empires end because the people whose countries they invaded are sick of being pushed around, it has nothing to do with a central authority. Also all nations have a strong central goverment. Germany does, the USA does, the UK does, Canada also etc. Furthermore, I don't understand why you jump straight from the first three presidents striaght into the 21st century (cont)
That's simply false. Hamilton was not hated by Washington at all. He WAS disliked by Adams though. You should read Jefferson's letters to Adams, and vice-versa, towards the end of their lives.
@Yoseman1 The greatest founding father was Jefferson. Washington a very close second. Our founding fathers by definition were either conservative or libertarian. Every last one of them were for freedom. There wasn't a leftist or progressive/ communist/ socialist/ bone in their bodies. If any one of them were alive today? They would be wanting to take up arms against anyone on that side of the fence. Hollywood in the mini series Adams tried to imply some were leftists. That was a lie
@SuperGuitarman69 The level of your historical understanding is that of a small child. Trying to view them within the framework of our tired and antiquated 'left, right or libertarian' paradigm is the essence of pure folly. Without Hamilton the Federalist Papers would never have been written and you'd be living in a squalid 3rd world pit without the industrial promoting, tariff supporting policies and credit structure that Hamilton put in place; which was copied the world over.
Alexander Hamilton and John Adams were horrible people. They don't deserve to be called Founding Fathers. I'm just glad that Thomas Jefferson stopped John Adams, and Alexander Hamilton.
The problem with Jefferson is his contradictions. Here he is blathering about the people's rights and democracy when he himself is a monarch in his domain of Monticello, reigning supreme over his slaves. After his term as President, the federal government was even stronger than before. I agree with him on some points, but his contradictions makes him less credible.
Come on people, why not you people read about American history for a change?
A central government? That are you talking about? please. It sound in their heads the concept of federal government?. You know the difference between a federal government and central government?. Hamilton is a pro-federation!
Hamilton wanted an aristocratic form of government that allowed him to be royalty. You see he had no "blood lines". The federal government was to be weak with power only from the people through the States not the other way around. Read the U.S.Constitution and corresponding documents for yourselves, and you will see. Isn't it funny that at the beginning of the twentieth century the politicians decided that it wasn't in America's best interest to teach the Constitution and how it was decided upon
Hamilton focused on the economy while Jefferson focused on freedom and individual rights.They could never agree because their main interests were different.
@lthalial Hamilton was a snake, working with other agents affiliated to the Rothschild's bank of England and setting up the first bank of the united states which was a central bank made to enslave people in debt and print money out of thin air. They were and will always be enemies of true freedom.
Well wasn't there a rumor going around back then that when British troops neared Monticello, Jefferson went into hiding, meanwhile Hamilton was Washington's right hand man. So in many ways Hamilton is to be admired because he was a self-made man to made to the top.
And actually Jefferson was himself could prove to be a political animal. Wasn't he the one who charged Burr with treason without a lot of evidence? And Burr was an old political ally and member of his party.
Look at the wonderful stabilization the central banks have provided us. *cough sarcasm* Stabilization is chaos. Watch this video- Austrian theory of the trade cycle by Roger Garrison.
I admire both men, but the United States today can no longer take the Jeffersonian road in its current existence. Much of Jefferson's ideals were good for their time but Hamilton I believe foreseen the future of this country much clearer. Hamilton>Jefferson.
socialism go hamilton! Love it. and I love watching people cry an cry. Obama is doing a great thing for this country and in 50 years it will be in the histroy books same as FDR. Its about time we had a Democrat in office! always fixing the Repubs f ups. Trust me look at history.
"Trust me look at history." Ok. And from reading history, I can tell FDR is no person to be admired - however, I agree that Obama and the former president will both be seen in the same light. The Great Depression was "great" because of Hoover's and FDR's policies of massive taxes and government control and regulation. These people had such a poor understanding of economics and it's remarkable how those two presidents are being matched by Bush and Obama in the 21st century.
Jefferson was the gawd damn man! Separation of powers bitch! "Men cannot rule themselves!" "Can they then rule others!?" Jefferson for the win bitch! Hamilton and the federalists can die slow.
I always kind of liked Hammie. If he were a Canadian politician during the 1860s, he would have fit right in. I think he had some good ideas, he was just in the wrong place and time to use them.
Hamilton also believed in centrallized banking to prop up large industry and stimulate foreign lending and national deficits. I guess our country is a product of what Hamilton wanted. Decide for yourself who was right.
Hamilton was a monarchist. He believed that the people were stupid and unable to manage their own affairs. He believed that the wealthy intelligent elites should run the country for the the people.
I thinks its safe to say the bankers have over reached ...there is no more checks and balances ....both great men ....but ..I dunno ..I'm not educated enough to absolute ...
No matter who you like or don't like, this was a good play and it's a shame that it isn't brought to the stage more often. I think it could be very helpful as part of a history/poli-sci curriculum of early high school students in the USA.
This isn't "fascism" necessarily, for the government is still bound by the constitution and will not participate in the economy once currency is issued.
Any experts out there that can tell me if I got this right?
The big thing here is, "who gets to issue the currency and extend credit?" I think what people don't get is "big government" is NOT bad when a it is a Constitutional Republic. I think Hamilton was trying to protect the country from the "banking clique" of the old usurious old-world. By placing the issuance of currency under the government, the protection of the currencies value is more secure.
Hamilton all the way, guy had 20/20 vision, I think Jefferson was a bit jealous of Hamilton's virtues. Hamilton fought his battles by himself while Jefferson schemed. But those of them are my heros anyway.
I don't understand how people could take hamilton's side when he's arguing against the peoples rights and Jefferson is trying to protect freedom. Some people are truly ignorant or blind.
@RightRepublican I strongly believe in Hamilton's views, he is arguing against the people because he does not believe that the people should be the main source of power. Debates are open, contact me.
I have to disagree, by definition centralized government is not necessarily socialism. In the case of the US It is federalism out of control on the surface. But, when you peel back the onion, we see that what we have today is something far more insidious. It is fascism, the merger of state and corporate powers. A degree of socialism is necessary for a more egalitarian society. Ironically, it is predatory capitalism that has given us the same mediocrity and oligarchical system that people fear.
Hamilton was a traitor who rode to his success on the coattails of Washington. People who think him greatest of the founders know nothing about our history. Please go back to England and take the FED, the debt, and the central banks with you.
Hamilton was the greatest of all the Founders next to Washington.
If you hate Hamilton be consistent and hate Washington as well. For without Washington's approval of Hamilton's measure they never would have been passed.
Stop with your Jeffersonian revisionist history, we're on to it.
Down with the rich, elitist, racist Jefferson. Vive Hamilton
Hamilton believed in centralized government( Socialism/Collectivism) and limited freedom for the people. He was arrogant and condescending and look down on the people. Jefferson believed in limited government and the rights of the individual. He believe in the people and their right to exist. To live free w/out government intervention and intrusion...
Please don't simplify governance into either pure Jeffersonian freedom or wicked Hamiltonian centralization. The US back in the day was nothing like it is now. It needed different things. I certainly like a lot of Jefferson's liberal positions, but he really didn't understand finance at all and wanted the nation to be made up of independent farmers. He also wanted the states to be able to secede from the union. The government is far more powerful today than Hamilton probably ever imagined.
@bonfirejovi - Hamilton wanted George Washington to be the first King of America and supported the British form of government, which placed him at odds with both Jefferson and Madison (father of the constitution). Hamilton believed in strong centralized power with the people subordinate to the government; Jefferson and Madison believed in maximum rights and a government SUBORDINATE TO THE PEOPLE.
@veradinx >_> Oh no, a central government that is not subordinate to the states. How terrible. How ever will the country survive for hundred of years-oh wait.
Check out the details of what Hamilton actually believed and did. During the time period, centralized federal power meant things like "taxing" and "not letting people attack tax collectors" and "putting all the state debts into one big federal debt". We had a pansy loser federal government that couldn't do shit.
@VoidStone Yes the Government is much more Powerful than Hamilton ever imagined and it is because they followed his logic and we are turning into a Hellhole as a result. Thomas Jefferson said that an over sized Government is a Greater threat to our Liberty than Foreign invaders". Anybody that says Thomas Jefferson was a Liberal does not understand the definitions of Conservative and Liberal. Thomas Jefferson was the ultimate Conservative to the point where he was accused of being an Anarchist.
@DanielDamascusKimery Uuuurg, please, no gross over simplifications and the mindless big government hating. Tons of countries with highly active governments are doing splendidly. And liberal and conservative have different meanings depending on what you're actually referring too. Those labels probably shouldn't be used to refer to the Founding Fathers anyway.
@VoidStone Liberals spend liberally and conservatives conserve. You are nothing more than a simpleton trying to make simple things seem more complicated than what they are. Please stop embarrassing yourself and buy a Dictionary.
@DanielDamascusKimery And what? Do social issues just disappear? How many 'conservatives' are all to happy to spend absurd amounts on the military, or want the government more involved in policing morality?
Sweden and Denmark are doing pretty well, big government and all.
@DanielDamascusKimery How are we turning into a hellhole? This country is a hellhole all of a sudden? Gee, does it have anything to do with a black man being elected President? In the time of Jefferson, the word Conservative was synonomous with monarchist. Republicanism, to which Jefferson subscribed and to which most of the Patriots subscribed, fell into the broad category of political liberalism. The word liberal did not come to mean what it does today until much later.
Watch the hyperbole; our country is not becoming a hellhole. In the time of Jefferson, the word Conservative was synonomous with monarchist. Republicanism, to which Jefferson and most of the Patriots subscribed, fell into the broad category of political liberalism. The word liberal did not come to mean what it does today until much later. Modern day 'conservatives' are the descendants of 18th century liberals... and so are modern day 'socialists'.
@jumpoutatree Go jump out a tree you ignorant fuck. I'm sorry but your imagination is not a credible source infact Thomas Jefferson was the founder of the Republican Party his opposition the Federalist (Hamilton and Adams)were the ones in favor of huge collectivist Government and an American Monarchy. Read a fucking History book Douche bag.
@jumpoutatree Since you don't know what Socialism means here is the definition.
Socialism:a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
2.(in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.
@VoidStone How dare you compare George Washington to John Adams? The only reason why John Adams was his Vice President was because the person with the second highest number of votes became Vice President back then. It is a Historical Fact that George Washington frequently took a giant shit all over John Adams.
I've only heard of one major disagreement which occurred between Washington and Adams, and that was when Washington was made commanding general for the provisional army and argued with Adams over who would be his second in command. And you know who it was that Washington really, really wanted to be his second in command, because he valued his abilities so greatly? To the point that he was willing to argue with President Adams? (Hint: name ends in 'amilton')
@VoidStone I have a much better clue than you do. Get off of Hamilton and Obamas dicks. We are all impressed that you could fit both of them in your ass at the same time but now you're just embarrassing yourself. Watch the HBO miniseries John Adams then get back to me with your apology.
@VoidStone I have a much better clue than you do. Get off of Hamilton and Obamas dicks. We are all impressed that you could fit both of them in your ass at the same time but now you're just embarassing yourself. Watch the HBO miniseries John Adams then get back to me with your apology.
@DanielDamascusKimery Oooo, mature. You're really making a great impression. Let me look at my bookcase to see if I have anything on the subject worth reading: His Excellency George Washington James Madison Founding Brothers Gentleman Revolutionary Washington's Secret War Dinner with Mr. Jefferson Benjamin Franklin Alexander Hamilton Thomas Jefferson: An Intimate History George Washington's War Hamilton, Adams, Jefferson: The Politics of the Enlightenment and the American Founding Hmm...
@DanielDamascusKimery But yes, I have already seen the HBO miniseries John Adams, plus read the book it was based off of. You're talking to someone who searches for original writings of the Founders in her spare time. The fact that you're bringing modern day politics into this shows that you have little respect for history and probably no knowledge of it that wasn't gained from biased sources. At the very least, don't pretend that Washington wasn't politically aligned with Federalists.
@VoidStone Why do you only have videos that make Hamilton look like a piece of shit if you love him so much? Since I'm too busy getting laid and having a life to read all the books you named could you name some movies where Alexander Hamilton isn't the Villain? Surely a Hamilton Apologist like yourself could name one and could you also tell me why he has such a terrible name in the modern era if he was such a Champion of the people back then?
@DanielDamascusKimery Are you seriously insulting my sex life? o_o Do you realize how you sound? Last time I checked, movies don't have much to do with actual history. I thought you were the one accusing me of getting all of my opinions from movies. If you need one, though, the old series George Washington and its sequel George Washington: Forging a Nation feature Hamilton positively. And FYI, Hamilton is regaining popularity. One PBS doc, another on the way, using him in banking ads...
@VoidStone Yeah your right the Federal Reserve(central bank),Big Government,and a massive national debt are all working out Great for us huh? I got a book you need to read "Hamiltons Curse". Yeah I'm sure Hamilton is real popular with the welfare crowd since the Democratic party is the party of tax and spend and it takes a huge government with high taxes to support such a massive welfare state. I hear that in New York the Stock Brokers on Wall Street lay Fresh flowers on his grave constantly.
@DanielDamascusKimery In short, you're spouting bullshit about history because you can't stop bitching about contemporary politics long enough to actually do research. When you aren't making inane sexual comments that have nothing to do with anything. o__o If you can't do better than this I'm not going to waste my time.
@VoidStone Are all Democrats like you? Trying to defend something that is indefensible and then crying and running away when they get their feelings hurt. Survey says yes.
@VoidStone I've noticed that the only people that like Hamilton are Liberal Hippy Douche Bags. These people love having a big oppressive government running everybodies lives. That's why they hate Thomas Jefferson, because he stands for Freedom.
@DanielDamascusKimery =/ You're some kind of idiot, aren't you? *sigh* There's no point in arguing with someone like you over politics, so I won't bother, but I am going to say this: you can claim Jefferson was a hero of freedom if you want (You do realize he was very much in favor of separation of church and state, right?), but you can't claim Washington too. It's either or. Jefferson undermined him politically and Washington broke off all personal contact with him.
@VoidStone Yes I know Jefferson was in favor of the separation of church and state. you say that like it's a bad thing. No wonder you love Hamilton so much you are a religious freak that would prefer to live in a Theocracy than a Democracy.
@DanielDamascusKimery If your next comment is self righteous blather completely unrelated to the topic at hand and/or laced with profanity I'm blocking you, fyi.
@VoidStone I'm surprised you haven't done so already you fucking coward. It's plain for anyone to see that you are an idiot that doesn't know what the fuck you are talking about. Talking last won't change this fact so block away you Hamiltonian Douche Bag.
Your language gives you away as the frightened sixteen year old that you are, absolutely terrified that your arguments are being dismantled by real students of American history. It's okay, buddy... someday you'll look back in embarrassment at how wrong you were about everything.
You're hoping he runs away, right? The more you argue, the more you lose. The best thing to do in your case is say "fuck" a lot and call people Douche Bags. That way they'll leave you alone and let you be the undisputed King of The Comments Section.
I notice that in your definition it says nothing about 'centralized government', which pretty much proves my point. If you knew the least bit about our history, you would know that centralized government meant the subordination of the state governments to the authority of the federal government. It has nothing to do with collectivisim, Marxist or otherwise. It's like as soon as you hear the word "central" you start barking like a trained paleoconservative dog.
And seriously, Hamilton had friends that seemed to have been having orgasms as they described how sweet and kind and wonderful he was. Jefferson was a racist that had no problem with the violence of the French Revolution, and was known for begin sneaky and subtle as hell.
Whatever you're political opinions, don't let it color your views on the guy's personally. They were just two dudes.
My major concern here is that, if Jefferson was a racist, what was Hamilton? A slave-owning abolitionist?
Hamilton proposed that a king-like executive be appointed who could rule indefinitely and appoint the governors to each state. He was shut down at the Constitutional Convention. Twice in Federalist Papers No. 1 does Hamilton refer to America as an "empire."
Hamilton urged Washington to lead 13,000 conscripts to
western Pennsylvania to collect his beloved whiskey tax. He also wanted those whiskey distillers hanged for treason because they would not pay their taxes.
Hamilton's economic/political ideas (through the courts and especially Supreme Court Justice John Marshall) perpetuated for decades and were later adopted by the Whigs who eventually became the Republicans of Lincoln's era. Hamilton's disdain for succession was then used by Lincoln to justify invasion of the South.
I wonder how the founding fathers would have felt if they knew the same people who where so up in arms about taxation where the same ones who where using the federal government to impose their views of morality and religion upon the rest of the nation. Before this is contradicted ask yourself what was the intention when the federal government was allowed to read our email and listen in on our phone calls.
@54nomore The blame is being placed on liberals for the woes of today, but it was not the liberals who voted to remove Thomas Jefferson from text books in Texas
@54nomore Centralized government is not socialism. The opposite of centralized government is not limited government. Where on earth did you get the notion that Hamilton, or anyone else for that matter, was opposed to a person's "right to exist"?
Looks like you have to make war on your ignorance. There's a lot of subtext to what is being said...and if you don't study the history that their grandfathers and fathers lived...you can't understand the Founding Fathers.
They were speaking English how could you not understand . They were battling over the same idealogies that are still being fought today. Determining what it means to be free what should be the liberties/rights of the people and what should be the role that the government plays in the lives of its average citizens.
Alexander Hamilton (January 11, 1755 or 1757 – July 12, 1804) was a Founding Father, soldier, economist, political philosopher, one of America's first constitutional lawyers and the first United States Secretary of the Treasury.
SuperGreatSphinx 1 month ago
As Secretary of the Treasury, Hamilton was the primary author of the economic policies of the George Washington Administration, especially the funding of the state debts by the Federal government, the establishment of a national bank, a system of tariffs, and friendly trade relations with Britain. He became the leader of the Federalist Party, created largely in support of his views, and was opposed by the Democratic-Republican Party, led by Thomas Jefferson and James Madison.
SuperGreatSphinx 1 month ago
Hamilton served in the American Revolutionary War. At the start of the war, he organized an artillery company and was chosen as its captain. He later became the senior aide-de-camp and confidant to General George Washington, the American commander-in-chief.
SuperGreatSphinx 1 month ago
He served again under Washington in the army raised to defeat the Whiskey Rebellion, a tax revolt of western farmers in 1794. In 1798, Hamilton called for mobilization against France after the XYZ Affair, and secured an appointment as commander of a new army, which he trained for a war. However, the Quasi-War, although hard-fought at sea, was never officially declared. In the end, President John Adams found a diplomatic solution that avoided war.
SuperGreatSphinx 1 month ago
Born and raised in the West Indies, Hamilton came to North America for his education, sponsored by people from his community. He attended King's College (now Columbia University). After the American Revolutionary War, Hamilton was elected to the Continental Congress from New York.
SuperGreatSphinx 1 month ago
He resigned to practice law, and founded the Bank of New York. He was among those dissatisfied with the first national governance document, the Articles of Confederation. While serving in the New York Legislature, Hamilton was sent as a delegate to the Annapolis Convention in 1786 to revise the Articles, but it resulted in a call for a new constitution instead.
SuperGreatSphinx 1 month ago
He was one of New York's delegates at the Philadelphia Convention that drafted the new constitution in 1787, and was the only New Yorker who signed it. In support of the new Constitution, Hamilton wrote many of the Federalist Papers, still an important source for Constitutional interpretation. In the new government under President George Washington, he was appointed the Secretary of the Treasury.
SuperGreatSphinx 1 month ago
An admirer of British political systems, Hamilton was a nationalist who emphasized strong central government, and successfully argued that the implied powers of the Constitution could be used to fund the national debt, assume state debts, and create the government-owned Bank of the United States. These programs were funded primarily by a tariff on imports and later also by a highly controversial excise tax on whiskey.
SuperGreatSphinx 1 month ago
Embarrassed when an extra-marital affair with Maria Reynolds became public, Hamilton resigned from office in 1795 and returned to the practice of law in New York. However, he kept his hand in politics and was a powerful influence on the cabinet of President Adams (1797–1801).
SuperGreatSphinx 1 month ago
Hamilton's opposition to John Adams helped cause Adams' defeat in the 1800 elections. When Thomas Jefferson and Aaron Burr tied in the electoral college, Hamilton helped defeat his bitter personal enemy Burr and elect Jefferson as president.
SuperGreatSphinx 1 month ago
After opposing Adams, the candidate of his own party, Hamilton was left with few political friends. In 1804, as the next presidential election approached, Hamilton again opposed the candidacy of Burr. Taking offense at some of Hamilton's comments, Burr challenged him to a duel and mortally wounded Hamilton, who died within days.
SuperGreatSphinx 1 month ago
i got one problem with this video JEFFERSON did not call himself a american he was a VIRGINIAN
Southernjuggalo63 3 months ago
this is just one big argument lol
Evilnaruto443 3 months ago
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Dr. Ron Paul for president in 2012!!! Dr. Ron Paul is indeed the modern day Jefferson!!!!!
DataSerpent 3 months ago
Alexander Hamilton was not a progressive or liberal at all! In fact Jefferson was the liberal one. If you studied Hamilton you would find that he was a master economist and managed a shipping and trading business completely on his own when most of us would be in middle school. He was not a progressive and had an amazing economic plan to help get the nation out of debt after the revolution and succeeded at doing so. Besides, George Washington himself trusted him. Believe me I am a Republican too
NerfGuy77 4 months ago
Who are all these Hamiltonian asswipes sticking their graffiti on here-- and how can we watch it WITHOUT their fecal-smears?
SovereignStatesman 4 months ago
This is really bad.
Jemmer1000 4 months ago
Goodness, although this is enjoyable, the debate in the comments is more entertaining than the drama itself...
ansketil 6 months ago
The real irony is that Jefferson was NEVER a good public speaker and would never (at least all history affirms this) be able to fluster Hamilton in a private debate. Hamilton was a lawyer and had a silver tongue while Jefferson was a person who was very shy, timid even, and conducted most affairs via writing, which was his strength. In addition, there is no historical event that this scene was supposed to reenact, it's a bit of theater, although it clearly has the ignoramuses here in a temper.
flarkfucky2 7 months ago
Am I the only person here who thinks that America's greatest mistake was leaving British control in the first place? Get in line, little colony!
GibbyGoldfisch 8 months ago
And then Jefferson became the president of the United States of America and de...stroyed the First... Nati...onal... B...an...k?
augustuslxiii 8 months ago
I find it AMAZING that even 230+ years since those days, Americans are still arguing about pretty much the same things!! Wow!!
phantomsuccour 8 months ago
The fact is Jefferson & Hamilton needed each other. When Jefferson was tied with Aaron Burr in 1801, Hamilton urged his Federalist colleagues to cast their vote for Jefferson. When Jefferson took office, he left Hamilton's Bank of the U.S. intact, wisely seeing its value to a growing republic, even though he detested the idea when Hamilton proposed it to Washington. STATESMANSHIP triumphed when there was no other choice and today more than ever, we need STATESMEN not career politicians dammit!!
MachTwo1 9 months ago
Which of these two Founders was against full ratification of the Constitution, formed an opposition press under the govt's dole, acted like a little child to Hammond the 1st official British amb., had what could be judged treasonous talks with Genet, along with Madison tried to use Congress to force trade away from Britain, covertly allied himself with State demagogues like George Clinton, ghost wrote the ignorant Giles Resolutions? - & this was just some of his doings in Wash's 1st Cab...
Kierkegaard73 9 months ago
The truth is that Hamilton and Adams after the founding of the country were hated widely by most Americans. And certainly by Washington and Jefferson. Adams and Hamilton broke immediately after the formation of the country and wanted the Federal Government to elect a king and start the same tyranny they fought to get away from. They turned out to be evil. And we fight them still today. They are called progressives. Only thing is, they are regressives. It goes back to tyranny
SuperGuitarman69 10 months ago
@SuperGuitarman69
Research. Do it. Then you'd know that saying Washington and Jefferson were staunch allies against Hamilton and Adams is insane. Out of that group of four, Washington and Hamilton were probably the closest political allies, and Washington broke with Jefferson over political differences. Neither Hamilton nor Adams actually wanted to change the government into a monarchy.
VoidStone 10 months ago 10
@VoidStone NO! Jefferson was for the states rights. Look at the history of Washingtons record. He supported a strong Federal Government, while Hamilton wanted a central bank. He wanted to splurge in debt. He got his way didn't he? Look at us now. Proof that Jefferson was correct all along. Of course this is why we talk about Jefferson endlessly in this country and Hamilton is NEVER mentioned. Jefferson was a hero while Hamilton wound up being a putz!
SuperGuitarman69 10 months ago
@SuperGuitarman69
"He supported a strong Federal Government, while Hamilton wanted a central bank. "
You make it sound like those two things are mutually exclusive. You are aware that Washington signed the bill that created the bank DESPITE JEFFERSON'S protests, right? And that he praised the success of Hamilton's financial policies?
VoidStone 10 months ago 10
@VoidStone The central bank that was established was NOT what we have now. You can look no further than the constitution and see that they warned against this. (The Federal Reserve). I will say it again. Hamilton is not revered. Jefferson is. Why? Because Jefferson is a champion of liberty. He selflessly fought for the freedom of America. He was our greatest Founding father. Why? He has been proven right time and time again.
SuperGuitarman69 10 months ago
@SuperGuitarman69 Ah, but the public reveres Washington, too, and he was certainly with Hamilton on most things. The public is stupid and has little knowledge of history. They have a vague sense of Jefferson believing in liberty or something but most of them don't understand what that means. And blaming Hamilton for the debt is just silly. First of all, he lived hundred of years ago. Second, he DID want the debt to be properly managed and gradually distinguished, which it hasn't been.
VoidStone 10 months ago
@VoidStone People don't understand that the debt was much favorable to the devastated credit and finances of the country at the time, British currency (the pound) was the de facto currency of much of the country. Who is more patriotic? Hamilton who founds a bank with a funded debt to create an American stable financial system or the oligarchical son of privilege Jefferson who would rather have had the primacy of the British currency and no stable domestic currency? READ A HISTORY BOOK!
flarkfucky2 7 months ago
@VoidStone There is NO conspiracy. The majority of Americans understand these comments. They understand now what is happening. This isn't conspiracy. I have a degree in economics. And like many of other independent economists we have predicted every single bubble and bust that has happened in the last 20 years. Not only that, now we are warning of bankruptcy and the collapse of our economy. Which IS going to happen. I see NO politician listening.
SuperGuitarman69 7 months ago
@SuperGuitarman69 Actually many other countries copied the dirigistic polices of Hamilton to become powerful states themselves. 1st Bank of the United States =/= Federal Reserve. You would know this if you actually read some goddamn history that wasn't from an approved 'conservative' source.
flarkfucky2 7 months ago
@SuperGuitarman69
The only reason why Jefferson is admired so much by Americans is because he wrote the Declaration of Independence and in his conflict with Hamilton, history gave Jefferson the opportunity to portray their disputes in the most favorable light. I did my thesis on Hamilton and got a first class honours. It is a shame that Americans just listen to the person beside them in praising Jefferson when in actual fact he was a dreamer. Do the research. Hamilton = Greatest 'American.'
damroach 5 months ago
@damroach No, Jefferson had it correct all along... Freedom and minimal government is the best government.. There is no question of that... Look at how government screws up everything it gets its hands on.. Only morons actually think big regulation giving government is best...
SuperGuitarman69 5 months ago
@damroach Oh and my degree is in economics.. Jefferson's version of government is the correct one.. History facts and numbers prove it..
SuperGuitarman69 5 months ago
@VoidStone We have several things happening at once here. There is so much that it seems impossible to stop. There is a psychological aspect to this. You have creators and non creators. Thats it. So if you look at those in government? None are creators. So what do non creators do? They control the creators. That is Hamiltons government. If you cannot make the economy move? Then control it. This world is controlled by those in government. NONE of them creators. Is that over your head?
SuperGuitarman69 7 months ago
@SuperGuitarman69 I am curious, and I will keep this simple for you. How do you reconcile Jefferson and Madison's continuous attempts, - while he was Sec. of State under Wash. and Madison was in the House, to have Congress force trade away from Britain and onto France? I wont even ask you to explain Jefferson and Madison's belief that the Government should and could be used to keep the society at the commercial stage of development, nor about his embargo policy as President.
Kierkegaard73 7 months ago
@SuperGuitarman69 IGNORANCE OVERLOAD! How many countries followed Jefferson's "plan" to prosperity, which I guess would be the "agrarian paradise? Zero. How many countries followed Hamilton's plan of an industrial policy, publicly financed debt and tariffs to support and promote local industries? Many (Germany, Korea, Japan, others).
Jefferson was a bundle of contradictions; he is ripe for quote mining if you don't actually read thoroughly the history of this era. Read!
flarkfucky2 7 months ago
@flarkfucky2 They are all owned by banking families. No we are all in a mess. Jefferson was correct the whole time. Keynesian theory matches Hamiltons central government utopia. Now we are all up shit creek without a paddle. The EU is a larger example of it. Greece is Hamiltons ideals on 10. Look at them. No you go way beyond ignorance.
SuperGuitarman69 7 months ago
@SuperGuitarman69 Ok, you're correct. The sky is falling, get in your bunker with your seed-vault and gold coins. Since you aren't really even trying to make a point just autistically spouting a bunch of pseudo-cryptic-conspiratorial mind farts I have no way to retort. If you were actually to try and calm your nerves and make 1 clear and concise point to which I could investigate that would be stellar. Until then just keep being afraid.
flarkfucky2 7 months ago
@VoidStone
Hamilton wanted a central bank and an alliance with europe. He believed the greater the debt the greater the credit. Jefferson saw this even before the establishment of a central bank.
in 1913 Woodrow Wilson signed the Federal Reserved act. We go to wars for without a declaration from congress but from NATO. The US hasn't become a monarchy but more of a dictatorship. The dollar is crashing heading to a depression. Hamilton got his wish. 98 years later, do u think we are better off?
moctezuma112 3 months ago
@moctezuma112 "and an alliance with europe" What? He wanted an alliance with every single nation in Europe? I believe you mean the British, Hamilton favoured good terms and an alliance with Britain while Jefferson favoured neutrality and an alliance with France who he saw as a natural ally.
"He believed the greater the debt the greater the credit." That's not a belief that's a fact, and it proved successful and drove the USA into finnancial prosperity.
TheSirPrise 3 months ago
@TheSirPrise
ur right about the British. but now we are an alliance with Europe.
USA is in a financial prosperity? HAHAHAHAHAHA
$14 trillions in debt and having a weak dollar and economy and over 19% of unemployment in which 10 years we might head to a depression and all because the printing of money out of thin air coming from the US central bank AKA the Federal Reserve. does that look like financial prosperity to you?
moctezuma112 3 months ago
@moctezuma112 You do realise that I'm talking about the late 18th century post-revolution and not in a modern context right?
TheSirPrise 3 months ago
@TheSirPrise
Its relevant
moctezuma112 3 months ago
@moctezuma112 You're making it appear as if Hamilton is respinsible for the defecit today (which he isn't). The debt was paid off however, during the course of US history (expansion, civil war, phillipine war, WW1, WW2 etc.) The US began borrowing again and paying off however, during the cold war it got our of hand and it lead to the collapse of 2008. It wasn't Hamiltons fault.
TheSirPrise 3 months ago
@TheSirPrise
He first introduced the idea of the power of the central governement and the central bank. Alot of Historians praise him for his idea for bringing wealth to the US. Today his idea is failing because its all artificial. so yea its his idea to blame. the greater the debt the greater the credit.
How was all wars paid off? do you know?
borrowing was one but mostly through inflation and who prints the money? the central banks. making the peice of our pie smaller.
moctezuma112 3 months ago
@TheSirPrise
watch?v=p-5_pv8csMY&feature=related
moctezuma112 3 months ago
@moctezuma112 The whole point of the national debt (back in the late 18th century newly formed USA) was to increase the power of the central goverment not only reinforcing the bonds between the states into a unified nation but to also incourage trade on an international scale increasing US prosperity and the national debt would be (and it was under Hamilton) slowly paid off.
TheSirPrise 3 months ago
@TheSirPrise
increasing the power of a central government is what bring empires to inevitably destroy itself no matter who runs it. After 3 presidential elections and promising to balance the budget and lower our debt, we have increased it dramatically. sure we can try to pay it off once the US goes through bankruptcy and having the dollar to be as good as toilet paper.
moctezuma112 3 months ago
@moctezuma112 "increasing the power of a central government is what bring empires to inevitably destroy itself." Empires end because the people whose countries they invaded are sick of being pushed around, it has nothing to do with a central authority. Also all nations have a strong central goverment. Germany does, the USA does, the UK does, Canada also etc. Furthermore, I don't understand why you jump straight from the first three presidents striaght into the 21st century (cont)
TheSirPrise 3 months ago
@SuperGuitarman69
That's simply false. Hamilton was not hated by Washington at all. He WAS disliked by Adams though. You should read Jefferson's letters to Adams, and vice-versa, towards the end of their lives.
Yoseman1 7 months ago
@Yoseman1 The greatest founding father was Jefferson. Washington a very close second. Our founding fathers by definition were either conservative or libertarian. Every last one of them were for freedom. There wasn't a leftist or progressive/ communist/ socialist/ bone in their bodies. If any one of them were alive today? They would be wanting to take up arms against anyone on that side of the fence. Hollywood in the mini series Adams tried to imply some were leftists. That was a lie
SuperGuitarman69 7 months ago
@SuperGuitarman69 The level of your historical understanding is that of a small child. Trying to view them within the framework of our tired and antiquated 'left, right or libertarian' paradigm is the essence of pure folly. Without Hamilton the Federalist Papers would never have been written and you'd be living in a squalid 3rd world pit without the industrial promoting, tariff supporting policies and credit structure that Hamilton put in place; which was copied the world over.
flarkfucky2 7 months ago
Yeah its funny that when Jefferson took office almost everything he did was against his own political views. xD He did a political 180.
woodXstocksXhoe 10 months ago
Alexander Hamilton and John Adams were horrible people. They don't deserve to be called Founding Fathers. I'm just glad that Thomas Jefferson stopped John Adams, and Alexander Hamilton.
catclaw357 11 months ago
The problem with Jefferson is his contradictions. Here he is blathering about the people's rights and democracy when he himself is a monarch in his domain of Monticello, reigning supreme over his slaves. After his term as President, the federal government was even stronger than before. I agree with him on some points, but his contradictions makes him less credible.
Xerxes2005 11 months ago
1:12-1:20 My favorite line from Hamilton. It really describes his circumstance as well!
nureallycool 1 year ago
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nureallycool 1 year ago
Team Hamilton!
pnkrk1039 1 year ago
Come on people, why not you people read about American history for a change?
A central government? That are you talking about? please. It sound in their heads the concept of federal government?. You know the difference between a federal government and central government?. Hamilton is a pro-federation!
jjfcooper 1 year ago
Hamilton wanted an aristocratic form of government that allowed him to be royalty. You see he had no "blood lines". The federal government was to be weak with power only from the people through the States not the other way around. Read the U.S.Constitution and corresponding documents for yourselves, and you will see. Isn't it funny that at the beginning of the twentieth century the politicians decided that it wasn't in America's best interest to teach the Constitution and how it was decided upon
xtaxplayer 1 year ago
The amount of ignorance seen in these comments - especially the two highest rated comments - is truly astonishing.
Jitpring 1 year ago
@Jitpring I know, right? Where is a pack of history loving Hamilton fans when you need them to right wrongs and point out stupidity?
I'm really curious about what rights Hamilton supposedly was against people having.
VoidStone 1 year ago
"I hate 'party'... But if that's the only way I can fight you, I'll create a new party, I'll create a DISCO party..."
TKA001 1 year ago
Jefferson's cool. But it's all about Hamilton!! Yayya! :)
Airlocke77 1 year ago
Hooray for Jefferson!
JhonnyP91 1 year ago
Hamilton focused on the economy while Jefferson focused on freedom and individual rights.They could never agree because their main interests were different.
lthalial 1 year ago
@lthalial Hamilton was a snake, working with other agents affiliated to the Rothschild's bank of England and setting up the first bank of the united states which was a central bank made to enslave people in debt and print money out of thin air. They were and will always be enemies of true freedom.
TVXQandSS501 1 year ago
Well wasn't there a rumor going around back then that when British troops neared Monticello, Jefferson went into hiding, meanwhile Hamilton was Washington's right hand man. So in many ways Hamilton is to be admired because he was a self-made man to made to the top.
And actually Jefferson was himself could prove to be a political animal. Wasn't he the one who charged Burr with treason without a lot of evidence? And Burr was an old political ally and member of his party.
suryavajra 1 year ago
a. hammie is too too underrated
pockethee 1 year ago
Look at the wonderful stabilization the central banks have provided us. *cough sarcasm* Stabilization is chaos. Watch this video- Austrian theory of the trade cycle by Roger Garrison.
cclodfe 1 year ago
I admire both men, but the United States today can no longer take the Jeffersonian road in its current existence. Much of Jefferson's ideals were good for their time but Hamilton I believe foreseen the future of this country much clearer. Hamilton>Jefferson.
phREaker419 1 year ago
@phREaker419 if it can't take the jeffersonian road then it's doomed.
CDanielzSpecialist 1 year ago
socialism go hamilton! Love it. and I love watching people cry an cry. Obama is doing a great thing for this country and in 50 years it will be in the histroy books same as FDR. Its about time we had a Democrat in office! always fixing the Repubs f ups. Trust me look at history.
NolanD 1 year ago
@NolanD
"Trust me look at history." Ok. And from reading history, I can tell FDR is no person to be admired - however, I agree that Obama and the former president will both be seen in the same light. The Great Depression was "great" because of Hoover's and FDR's policies of massive taxes and government control and regulation. These people had such a poor understanding of economics and it's remarkable how those two presidents are being matched by Bush and Obama in the 21st century.
Bezwaar123 1 year ago
hamilton total british shill
escobari 1 year ago
im reanacting the boston tea party im alexander hamilton of course I wanted to be the mad hatter
TheWilliam505 1 year ago
Jefferson was the gawd damn man! Separation of powers bitch! "Men cannot rule themselves!" "Can they then rule others!?" Jefferson for the win bitch! Hamilton and the federalists can die slow.
CelticKraut 1 year ago 10
@CelticKraut well Hamilton is @ Wall Street so...
nice job on reviving the dead horse years later on historical events.
Wolfsbane909 1 year ago
@CelticKraut
Yeah Aaron Burr had the right idea, but Hamilton had the last laugh when Lincoln the Whig mounted his coup, and now we live under his empire.
For now......
SovereignStatesman 4 months ago
I always kind of liked Hammie. If he were a Canadian politician during the 1860s, he would have fit right in. I think he had some good ideas, he was just in the wrong place and time to use them.
canadarox14 1 year ago 3
A man who says "there are no peasants in America" ... and owns slaves. Jefferson was the real neocon!
Sakamachi25 2 years ago
you are a fool.
Salford999Red 2 years ago
no u
VoidStone 2 years ago
Friedman stole the angels bit from jefforson?
greenghost2008 2 years ago
Hamilton rules, Jefferson droolz.
skaw12345 2 years ago
skaw12345;
Read the book: Hamilton's Curse and learn something you moron!
yakyakyak69 2 years ago
Jefferson all the way. A central bank is a parasite on your wallet.
skodadog1 2 years ago 3
Hamilton also believed in centrallized banking to prop up large industry and stimulate foreign lending and national deficits. I guess our country is a product of what Hamilton wanted. Decide for yourself who was right.
cclodfe 2 years ago 5
Hamilton was a monarchist. He believed that the people were stupid and unable to manage their own affairs. He believed that the wealthy intelligent elites should run the country for the the people.
cclodfe 2 years ago
Hamilton <3333333333333333
twentiesDOLL12213 2 years ago
never mind, the hamilton in this movie isn't sexy and is too emotional... but the real Hammy was AMAZING
twentiesDOLL12213 2 years ago
yes too bad your a peasant in his eyes
ORACLE063 2 years ago
how was jefferson a wimp?
MisterGage77 2 years ago
yes it takes a real wimp to fight the powers of oppression and oligarchy
ORACLE063 2 years ago
I thinks its safe to say the bankers have over reached ...there is no more checks and balances ....both great men ....but ..I dunno ..I'm not educated enough to absolute ...
1973Johnny2bad 2 years ago
Hamilton FTW <3
rainbowheydrich 2 years ago 7
Hamilton for the win said the serf debt slave
ORACLE063 2 years ago 2
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@rainbowheydrich are you fucking being sarcastic or are you just that stupid?
TVXQandSS501 1 year ago
Jefferson ftw
jab2492 2 years ago 3
lol. you guys r funny. whacking the crap outta a dude who's deader than a tombstone.
richie8811 2 years ago
No matter who you like or don't like, this was a good play and it's a shame that it isn't brought to the stage more often. I think it could be very helpful as part of a history/poli-sci curriculum of early high school students in the USA.
Sakamachi25 2 years ago
What the fuck is this? LOL
Nice try you fucking statist fucks.
Reasonjester 2 years ago
This isn't "fascism" necessarily, for the government is still bound by the constitution and will not participate in the economy once currency is issued.
Any experts out there that can tell me if I got this right?
phospholipasec 2 years ago
The big thing here is, "who gets to issue the currency and extend credit?" I think what people don't get is "big government" is NOT bad when a it is a Constitutional Republic. I think Hamilton was trying to protect the country from the "banking clique" of the old usurious old-world. By placing the issuance of currency under the government, the protection of the currencies value is more secure.
phospholipasec 2 years ago
Hamilton all the way, guy had 20/20 vision, I think Jefferson was a bit jealous of Hamilton's virtues. Hamilton fought his battles by himself while Jefferson schemed. But those of them are my heros anyway.
mrmotu1974 2 years ago
um... hamilton was an elitist. period. if you are not an elite, then hamilton doesnt give a shit about you.
lflr4lnco 2 years ago
I don't understand how people could take hamilton's side when he's arguing against the peoples rights and Jefferson is trying to protect freedom. Some people are truly ignorant or blind.
RightRepublican 2 years ago 23
@RightRepublican I strongly believe in Hamilton's views, he is arguing against the people because he does not believe that the people should be the main source of power. Debates are open, contact me.
OmarMoulhem 1 year ago
Jefferson is awesome. Cental Gov. is for people who are sub par.
sassyandrefined 2 years ago 4
I have to disagree, by definition centralized government is not necessarily socialism. In the case of the US It is federalism out of control on the surface. But, when you peel back the onion, we see that what we have today is something far more insidious. It is fascism, the merger of state and corporate powers. A degree of socialism is necessary for a more egalitarian society. Ironically, it is predatory capitalism that has given us the same mediocrity and oligarchical system that people fear.
biped19 2 years ago
Hamilton was a traitor who rode to his success on the coattails of Washington. People who think him greatest of the founders know nothing about our history. Please go back to England and take the FED, the debt, and the central banks with you.
biped19 2 years ago
Hamilton was the greatest of all the Founders next to Washington.
If you hate Hamilton be consistent and hate Washington as well. For without Washington's approval of Hamilton's measure they never would have been passed.
Stop with your Jeffersonian revisionist history, we're on to it.
Down with the rich, elitist, racist Jefferson. Vive Hamilton
reevolution137 2 years ago
Go to libertytreeradio on youtube and check out the videos there as there.
Mark Gregory,, Koernke GDW!
Libertytreeradio 2 years ago
Hamilton believed in centralized government( Socialism/Collectivism) and limited freedom for the people. He was arrogant and condescending and look down on the people. Jefferson believed in limited government and the rights of the individual. He believe in the people and their right to exist. To live free w/out government intervention and intrusion...
54nomore 2 years ago 13
Please don't simplify governance into either pure Jeffersonian freedom or wicked Hamiltonian centralization. The US back in the day was nothing like it is now. It needed different things. I certainly like a lot of Jefferson's liberal positions, but he really didn't understand finance at all and wanted the nation to be made up of independent farmers. He also wanted the states to be able to secede from the union. The government is far more powerful today than Hamilton probably ever imagined.
VoidStone 2 years ago
@VoidStone Didn't Hamilton support an elective monarchy?
bonfirejovi 1 year ago
@bonfirejovi - Hamilton wanted George Washington to be the first King of America and supported the British form of government, which placed him at odds with both Jefferson and Madison (father of the constitution). Hamilton believed in strong centralized power with the people subordinate to the government; Jefferson and Madison believed in maximum rights and a government SUBORDINATE TO THE PEOPLE.
veradinx 1 year ago
@veradinx >_> Oh no, a central government that is not subordinate to the states. How terrible. How ever will the country survive for hundred of years-oh wait.
Check out the details of what Hamilton actually believed and did. During the time period, centralized federal power meant things like "taxing" and "not letting people attack tax collectors" and "putting all the state debts into one big federal debt". We had a pansy loser federal government that couldn't do shit.
VoidStone 1 year ago
@VoidStone Yes the Government is much more Powerful than Hamilton ever imagined and it is because they followed his logic and we are turning into a Hellhole as a result. Thomas Jefferson said that an over sized Government is a Greater threat to our Liberty than Foreign invaders". Anybody that says Thomas Jefferson was a Liberal does not understand the definitions of Conservative and Liberal. Thomas Jefferson was the ultimate Conservative to the point where he was accused of being an Anarchist.
DanielDamascusKimery 1 year ago 3
@DanielDamascusKimery Uuuurg, please, no gross over simplifications and the mindless big government hating. Tons of countries with highly active governments are doing splendidly. And liberal and conservative have different meanings depending on what you're actually referring too. Those labels probably shouldn't be used to refer to the Founding Fathers anyway.
VoidStone 1 year ago
@VoidStone Liberals spend liberally and conservatives conserve. You are nothing more than a simpleton trying to make simple things seem more complicated than what they are. Please stop embarrassing yourself and buy a Dictionary.
DanielDamascusKimery 1 year ago
@DanielDamascusKimery And what? Do social issues just disappear? How many 'conservatives' are all to happy to spend absurd amounts on the military, or want the government more involved in policing morality?
Sweden and Denmark are doing pretty well, big government and all.
VoidStone 1 year ago
@DanielDamascusKimery What do conservatives conserve? I think it's you who needs to buy the dictionary.
jumpoutatree 1 year ago
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DanielDamascusKimery 1 year ago
@jumpoutatree What do Conservatives conserve? Well money for one thing. Do you not watch the news?
DanielDamascusKimery 1 year ago
You're a complete idiot. You're like the Eric Cartman of underperforming history students. Conservatives conserve money? On what planet?
jumpoutatree 1 year ago
@DanielDamascusKimery How are we turning into a hellhole? This country is a hellhole all of a sudden? Gee, does it have anything to do with a black man being elected President? In the time of Jefferson, the word Conservative was synonomous with monarchist. Republicanism, to which Jefferson subscribed and to which most of the Patriots subscribed, fell into the broad category of political liberalism. The word liberal did not come to mean what it does today until much later.
jumpoutatree 1 year ago
Watch the hyperbole; our country is not becoming a hellhole. In the time of Jefferson, the word Conservative was synonomous with monarchist. Republicanism, to which Jefferson and most of the Patriots subscribed, fell into the broad category of political liberalism. The word liberal did not come to mean what it does today until much later. Modern day 'conservatives' are the descendants of 18th century liberals... and so are modern day 'socialists'.
jumpoutatree 1 year ago
@jumpoutatree Go jump out a tree you ignorant fuck. I'm sorry but your imagination is not a credible source infact Thomas Jefferson was the founder of the Republican Party his opposition the Federalist (Hamilton and Adams)were the ones in favor of huge collectivist Government and an American Monarchy. Read a fucking History book Douche bag.
DanielDamascusKimery 1 year ago
@jumpoutatree Since you don't know what Socialism means here is the definition.
Socialism:a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
2.(in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.
DanielDamascusKimery 1 year ago
@DanielDamascusKimery "Federalist (Hamilton and Adams)were the ones in favor of huge collectivist Government and an American Monarchy"
>_>;
Are you seriously saying that the Washington and Adams administrations were socialist? Do you even know what was going on during those time periods?
VoidStone 1 year ago
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DanielDamascusKimery 1 year ago
@VoidStone How dare you compare George Washington to John Adams? The only reason why John Adams was his Vice President was because the person with the second highest number of votes became Vice President back then. It is a Historical Fact that George Washington frequently took a giant shit all over John Adams.
DanielDamascusKimery 1 year ago
@DanielDamascusKimery
I've only heard of one major disagreement which occurred between Washington and Adams, and that was when Washington was made commanding general for the provisional army and argued with Adams over who would be his second in command. And you know who it was that Washington really, really wanted to be his second in command, because he valued his abilities so greatly? To the point that he was willing to argue with President Adams? (Hint: name ends in 'amilton')
VoidStone 1 year ago
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@VoidStone I have a much better clue than you do. Get off of Hamilton and Obamas dicks. We are all impressed that you could fit both of them in your ass at the same time but now you're just embarrassing yourself. Watch the HBO miniseries John Adams then get back to me with your apology.
DanielDamascusKimery 1 year ago
@VoidStone I have a much better clue than you do. Get off of Hamilton and Obamas dicks. We are all impressed that you could fit both of them in your ass at the same time but now you're just embarassing yourself. Watch the HBO miniseries John Adams then get back to me with your apology.
DanielDamascusKimery 1 year ago
VoidStone 1 year ago
@DanielDamascusKimery But yes, I have already seen the HBO miniseries John Adams, plus read the book it was based off of. You're talking to someone who searches for original writings of the Founders in her spare time. The fact that you're bringing modern day politics into this shows that you have little respect for history and probably no knowledge of it that wasn't gained from biased sources. At the very least, don't pretend that Washington wasn't politically aligned with Federalists.
VoidStone 1 year ago
@VoidStone Why do you only have videos that make Hamilton look like a piece of shit if you love him so much? Since I'm too busy getting laid and having a life to read all the books you named could you name some movies where Alexander Hamilton isn't the Villain? Surely a Hamilton Apologist like yourself could name one and could you also tell me why he has such a terrible name in the modern era if he was such a Champion of the people back then?
DanielDamascusKimery 1 year ago
@DanielDamascusKimery Are you seriously insulting my sex life? o_o Do you realize how you sound? Last time I checked, movies don't have much to do with actual history. I thought you were the one accusing me of getting all of my opinions from movies. If you need one, though, the old series George Washington and its sequel George Washington: Forging a Nation feature Hamilton positively. And FYI, Hamilton is regaining popularity. One PBS doc, another on the way, using him in banking ads...
VoidStone 1 year ago
@VoidStone Yeah your right the Federal Reserve(central bank),Big Government,and a massive national debt are all working out Great for us huh? I got a book you need to read "Hamiltons Curse". Yeah I'm sure Hamilton is real popular with the welfare crowd since the Democratic party is the party of tax and spend and it takes a huge government with high taxes to support such a massive welfare state. I hear that in New York the Stock Brokers on Wall Street lay Fresh flowers on his grave constantly.
DanielDamascusKimery 1 year ago
@DanielDamascusKimery In short, you're spouting bullshit about history because you can't stop bitching about contemporary politics long enough to actually do research. When you aren't making inane sexual comments that have nothing to do with anything. o__o If you can't do better than this I'm not going to waste my time.
VoidStone 1 year ago
@VoidStone Run away loser.
DanielDamascusKimery 1 year ago
@DanielDamascusKimery Are all Republicans like you? :D
VoidStone 1 year ago
@VoidStone Are all Democrats like you? Trying to defend something that is indefensible and then crying and running away when they get their feelings hurt. Survey says yes.
DanielDamascusKimery 1 year ago
@VoidStone I've noticed that the only people that like Hamilton are Liberal Hippy Douche Bags. These people love having a big oppressive government running everybodies lives. That's why they hate Thomas Jefferson, because he stands for Freedom.
DanielDamascusKimery 1 year ago
@DanielDamascusKimery =/ You're some kind of idiot, aren't you? *sigh* There's no point in arguing with someone like you over politics, so I won't bother, but I am going to say this: you can claim Jefferson was a hero of freedom if you want (You do realize he was very much in favor of separation of church and state, right?), but you can't claim Washington too. It's either or. Jefferson undermined him politically and Washington broke off all personal contact with him.
VoidStone 1 year ago
@VoidStone Yes I know Jefferson was in favor of the separation of church and state. you say that like it's a bad thing. No wonder you love Hamilton so much you are a religious freak that would prefer to live in a Theocracy than a Democracy.
DanielDamascusKimery 1 year ago
@DanielDamascusKimery If your next comment is self righteous blather completely unrelated to the topic at hand and/or laced with profanity I'm blocking you, fyi.
VoidStone 1 year ago
@VoidStone I'm surprised you haven't done so already you fucking coward. It's plain for anyone to see that you are an idiot that doesn't know what the fuck you are talking about. Talking last won't change this fact so block away you Hamiltonian Douche Bag.
DanielDamascusKimery 1 year ago 2
Your language gives you away as the frightened sixteen year old that you are, absolutely terrified that your arguments are being dismantled by real students of American history. It's okay, buddy... someday you'll look back in embarrassment at how wrong you were about everything.
jumpoutatree 1 year ago
You're hoping he runs away, right? The more you argue, the more you lose. The best thing to do in your case is say "fuck" a lot and call people Douche Bags. That way they'll leave you alone and let you be the undisputed King of The Comments Section.
jumpoutatree 1 year ago
I notice that in your definition it says nothing about 'centralized government', which pretty much proves my point. If you knew the least bit about our history, you would know that centralized government meant the subordination of the state governments to the authority of the federal government. It has nothing to do with collectivisim, Marxist or otherwise. It's like as soon as you hear the word "central" you start barking like a trained paleoconservative dog.
jumpoutatree 1 year ago
And seriously, Hamilton had friends that seemed to have been having orgasms as they described how sweet and kind and wonderful he was. Jefferson was a racist that had no problem with the violence of the French Revolution, and was known for begin sneaky and subtle as hell.
Whatever you're political opinions, don't let it color your views on the guy's personally. They were just two dudes.
VoidStone 2 years ago
My major concern here is that, if Jefferson was a racist, what was Hamilton? A slave-owning abolitionist?
Hamilton proposed that a king-like executive be appointed who could rule indefinitely and appoint the governors to each state. He was shut down at the Constitutional Convention. Twice in Federalist Papers No. 1 does Hamilton refer to America as an "empire."
Hamilton urged Washington to lead 13,000 conscripts to
Big1984Brother 2 years ago
western Pennsylvania to collect his beloved whiskey tax. He also wanted those whiskey distillers hanged for treason because they would not pay their taxes.
Hamilton's economic/political ideas (through the courts and especially Supreme Court Justice John Marshall) perpetuated for decades and were later adopted by the Whigs who eventually became the Republicans of Lincoln's era. Hamilton's disdain for succession was then used by Lincoln to justify invasion of the South.
Big1984Brother 2 years ago
Then 600,000 dead Americans later, Lincoln accomplished what Hamilton could only dream of: consolidation of powers to the Federal Government.
Big1984Brother 2 years ago 2
I wonder how the founding fathers would have felt if they knew the same people who where so up in arms about taxation where the same ones who where using the federal government to impose their views of morality and religion upon the rest of the nation. Before this is contradicted ask yourself what was the intention when the federal government was allowed to read our email and listen in on our phone calls.
DRAE076 1 year ago
@54nomore The blame is being placed on liberals for the woes of today, but it was not the liberals who voted to remove Thomas Jefferson from text books in Texas
DRAE076 1 year ago
@54nomore Centralized government is not socialism.
jumpoutatree 1 year ago
@54nomore Centralized government is not socialism. The opposite of centralized government is not limited government. Where on earth did you get the notion that Hamilton, or anyone else for that matter, was opposed to a person's "right to exist"?
jumpoutatree 1 year ago
wait, did some one say they didn't understand these fellas...what are ya...canadian...?bluberry pi..........
poopymania 2 years ago
>.>
Did anyone ACTUALLY
understand what they
were SAYING, 'cause I
have no clue.
BluBerryPi 3 years ago
Looks like you have to make war on your ignorance. There's a lot of subtext to what is being said...and if you don't study the history that their grandfathers and fathers lived...you can't understand the Founding Fathers.
abbesieyes 2 years ago
What they said has everything to do with whats going on in the modern world. Turn off your TV and read a book for fucks sake.
ORACLE063 2 years ago 3
They were speaking English how could you not understand . They were battling over the same idealogies that are still being fought today. Determining what it means to be free what should be the liberties/rights of the people and what should be the role that the government plays in the lives of its average citizens.
SPOT187 2 years ago