Why does the media, make Shias look really bad. Imam Hussien(AS) was the grandson of the Prophet. On the birth of the Imam the Prophet said, this child will be the Martyr of Karbalaa, and no one in this universe will feel his pain. So Sunnis your proud of Killing an Imam from the Prophets blood and Family? Before the Prophet had passed away he clearly said 3 things that are important in this world, 1: Family.2:Keep Islam living.3:Pass the story of all the Imams around the World.
i seen this on my internation dish and i left the room...i can see the muslim men they believe this is the way of rememberance of the imam hussein but self inflicting your self like that isnt going to bring him back...not all muslims believe this type of self infliction
All Muslims, please come to the real teachings of Islam. This kind of ritual has never been done during the lifetime of the Prophet (p.b.u.h) though there were hundreds of martyrs died in several holy wars. Crying (with voice and words) over the death / funeral of our loved ones is forbidden in Islam then why go to the extent of injuring one's self to commemorate other people's death?
Im a shitte and Im 100% against this, this isn't what imam hussain (AS) would like to see you do is it? wake up and try to represent our faith in a proper way.
looooooooooool muslims are so fucking dumb these are the people who invaded modern day iraq and turned it into a shithole! look at these animals shedding blood for no reason! these people dont even belong in iraq they are the real invaders!
For those shias arguing with the sunnis, please don't as there is no use! At least do it for the sake of our great Imam, al Hussain (A.S).
Its such a shame that so many do not acknowledge the greatness of our Imam, and what bothers me is that the majority of them arguing do not understand what shiasim is about, but they 'assume'.
I am so glad I was born into a shia family and was bred to love Ahlulbayt, its a true blessing I thank Allah for it and I really feel sorry for those who deny them.
I am Shia and the commentator doesnt know nothing about Shia Muslims. We mourn Imam Hussein a.s and try to bring back the battle of Karbala and also train ourselves just like men from the army train their selves with many practices which hurt themselves. Causing yourself to bleed isnt just healthy but also it is philosophically understandable .. When we cut our heads it is to show we arent afraid of blood and we want to feel the pain of Imam Hussein a.s and prove our loyalty against his enemies
@howie1962 yes we love dying for the cause of Imam Hussein a.s
i really think we should show our love by blowing up bakri wahabi mosques that would be awesome just like jaysh almahdi does in Iraq ..as for the testicle part wow why are you wahabis obsessed with testicles and such
@howie1962 bombing has nothing to do with mourning the death of Imam Hussain (AS). Please educate yourself before making ignorant assumptions. Would be much appreciated.
Or a part of Iraq doesn't. In Kerbala I think. Plus there is differently not 8% shia. There is at least 15%, because I've heard many sunni muslims convert every year.
The rate of Sunni Islam's increase is the fastest on earth, followed by Christianity. Shi'ism isn't gaining too many converts from what I see. In the US, essentially all new Muslims (typically Americans, minorities) convert.
Also, take into account that 12er Shi'ites (the Iranians, Iraqis, some Turks) aren't the only Shia sect. Each Shia sec has a different Imam line. The Zaydi Shia of Yemen are growing,and they're exactly like Sunnis.
And how can the Zaydi Shia in Yemen be exactly like Sunni, when they believe in Imam Hussein and remember him every year?? Then they should be called sunni's instead of shia ...
Zaydi Shia's have a different Imam line. They do not believe Imams are infallible. They use the same Hadith sources as Sunnis, and do not hold any relation to the Persian Shia (12er) sources. They do not believe in invoking God through invoking Ahl'ul Bayt. (For example, they don't have the prayer to al Zahrah)
They have actually been called a School of Sunni Islam by the Sunni Scholars.
Sunnis remember Sayed Hussein too- we just don't "cry" & we fast Ashurah.
What you need to remember is "Shia" is actually a word.
It means "Sect"- it doesn't mean a specific sect.
There are many "Sects" of people who politically believe Ali was supposed to be the first Caliph.
12ers (you)
Seveners
Ismaelis
Zaydis
ect.
The political "Shi'at Ali" became the Zaydi Shia in Yemen and Saudi Arabia. Later on, more Shia would develop. The last one was the 12er Shia, who are the only ones who believe that "Al Mahdi" is living in Samara, Iraq.
The Sunnis were a group of people who believe in the legitimacy of the first 3 caliphs. They supported the campaign against Yazid in Iraq.
They maintained a single sect- so they simply didn't earn a "Shia" title.
The first "official" Sunni School was started by Ja'far Al Sadiq (A man Shia and Sunnis consider to be the 6th Imam)- he was the Master of Abu Hanifa. Together, they created the first Madhab of Sunni Islam.
... by the way.. You do know that Sunnis believe in and love Sayed Imam Hussein, right? You do know that we hate Yazid, and believe in almost all of the 12 Imams that the 12ers believe in, right?
Just asking. Anyways, read the 3 comments below I gave you. I hope they help.
If you really love Sayed Imam Hussein then why don't you remember him in the 10th day of Muharram? I've heard some sunnis celebrate his death. Also when we pray we say "Allah musali ala muhammad wa ali muhammed" and you only pray for Allah and Prophet Muhammed. You don't remember all the 12 Imams. Plus the Zaydi Shia believe in Imam Mahdi, but they think he's not born yet while the 12er think he is still alive and he will come at the end of the world.
The Sunnis believe in Imam Mahdi, but they don't believe he's born yet, same as the Zeidis.
"Allahu'ma'sali ala Muhammad wa ala aleh Muhammad" is something we say every time when we preform Salat.
I've found that alot of you Shia (actually, not all Shia, just the 12ers) have no idea what we believe.
However- that's true. Many Muslim youth don't know much about the Imams. But that's because they only read the Quran (not many hadith), which has no mention of them.
I know exactly what happened in Karbala. The Iraqi Shia beat themselves because their ancestors slaughtered the Prophet's grandson, despite promising to aid in his revolution against Yazid. So when Imam Hussein traveled from Al Hijaz (Saudi Arabia) to Al Iraq he was supposed to meet with the rebel army.
It turned out that the Iraqis would betray him, and take the side of Yazid for money and wealth. They cut his head off after torturing and killing him.
The beating yourself things is very new and normal in Afghanistan and Pakistan. But it's more normal on the chest and you can't even hurt yourself from that. And we do it because that was he first thing the family did when they found out that Imam Hussein got killed. You seem to know a alot about shia, and it's weird because if you think you follow the right then we even waste your time on this and discussing with me?..
I know I'm following the right path- but I love, and believe 12ers and Sunnis should understand each other.
If you can understand that I love Ahul ul Bayt, and you understand that we Sunni Muslims believe almost exactly what you believe (Imam Mahdi) and that the Imams even founded some of our schools, then I've fulfilled my objective.
I don't want you to leave 12erShia Islam. I just want you to understand what we believe- and respect us for it. That's it.
Shia and Sunni can't never be the same and understand each other, and that's why there are war between us today. We both think we have different religions but we're all muslims. And that is, for somebody, very hard to understand...
You're right- we're not exactly the same. But we didn't fight for over 1000 years... this fighting is new fighting.
We don't have to follow anyone except Muhammad and his family and companions. We can listen to our Scholars, and take advice from them, but they'll never be "Holy" 12er Ayatollahs like priests in Christianity or Rabbis in Judaism. This is our difference.
But we all live together now. We should respect each other.
No. What do you mean, that's not true? Who are you to even begin to say that? Have you talk to a Sunni Sheik? You can simply google it. We say it when we say our Tahiyah, before were start the Juma Khutbah and whenever we make a prayer.
1.5 billion Sunni Muslims say that every day, as we do that Tahiyah on our knees. And it's not called "Praying to" Muhammad and his family. It's "Praying FOR" Muhammad and his family, for their blessing.
And the other 3 sects is a minority in the world. 12er is the largest of them all. I have friends who are sunni, and they don't even know who Imam Hussein is, or the 12 imams.
12er is the largest shia sect, but it's the newest and most different from the rest. We disagree with your more recent sources for Hadith.
We also don't believe in hitting ourselves, crying and making prayers to Ahlul Bayt. For example, you guys ask Imam Hussein and Ali for things (Before I was Muslim, I studied 12er Shia methodology.) For us, it is Haraam to invoke anyone but Allah. That is what Muhammad commanded, and what the Qur'an says.
The quran says respect Allah and Muhammed, but that does not mean that you shouldn't respect his family too. It's just like respecting your parents, but not the rest of your family. I think it's wrong to hit yourself but again it's more cultural, and Imam Hussein sacrificed himself for Islam and that's why every year we remember him. You can keep on disagreeing but it won't take you anywhere and doesn't make Sunni islam more true, because only Allah knows..
Who doesn't respect his family? We love and respect his family.
The difference between you, and us and the rest of the Shia, is that you actually make "prayers" to his family- asking them for things. This is Haraam in the Qur'an. We don't. We pray for their blessing and to be like them. That's it.
And as I said before, we've been saying "Allahuma sali ala muhammad wa ala aleh Muhammad" 400 years before the 12ers even existed.
But you can't say what's right or wrong because only Allah KNOWS, and again you've never visit Kerbala and it's not all about beating yourself. We actually learn something over there, but for you it will always be hard to understand. I've heard Sunni Sheiks talk, and the only thing he says is to hate Shia. Sunni only love themselves and if someone disagrees with them they kill and that's how solve their problems.
When Saddam Hussein got killed, we all hoped for peace but that's why there is still war in Iraq. If Saddam didn't kill Shia muslims you wouldn't give a shit about him, and it's the same thing with Osama Bin Laden...
Saddam Hussein was a Baathist, like Bashar Al Assad. They're atheists. Osama was an American agent... you realize I'm an Irish American, and don't really care about either of these people, right?
No. I know I'm right because I follow the Qur'an first, and Hadith and scholars second. I converted into Islam through thought- I left the faith given to me by my parents. And I studied everything before entering Sunni Islam. Still, I believe you're fine.
Saddam is a "Shui" I don't know how it's spelled, but Shui's literally hate Shia and they think that killing us would make the world better and please Allah that way. I think it's amazing that you've converted to Islam, because it's the right thing. You just need to know that there will always be disagreements between people and I'm not only talking about Sunni and Shia..
Whatever group Saddam belonged to is of no concern. I hate the man. But I also hate the people who believe in harming anyone- Sunni, 12er, Shia, Christian or Jew. It's all haraam. In the Qur'an, it's haraam.
I know we will always have disagreements, but my objective was to clairify to you what we Sunnis actually believe. We love Ahl ul Bayt, and believe in Imam Al Mahdi (like the Zeidi belief)
God Bless you, I hope I helped in your understanding.
Are you sure you're replying to the right person? I haven't preached anything hateful against Shi'ites, and not against Sunnis.
No, Islam does preach hate. Hate against Evil. It is a Muslims duty to hate Evil. Saddam Hussein and the Ba'athists, are Evil rapists. Thus, no matter what madhab I follow, it is my duty as a Muslims to hate them, and be their enemy. I hate Saddam, I hate Bashar and I hate Qaddafi. I hate the enemies of Allah.
@LuckyDukeSeven the way you worded your comment was confusing. but anyway if your duty is to hate enemies of islam then why do you sunnis praise yazid and muawiyah and the rest of enemies? and surely if islam preaches hate against the enemies it preaches love and affection towards the prophet and his family...so why do sunnis almost disregard the ahlul bayt?
Sunnis resent Muawiyah, but don't curse him. I haven't heard of a single Sunni Scholar that likes Yazid. Yazid is seen as a vile man in most Sunni communities, an example of corruption.
Once again, this is you misunderstanding us.
We love Ahl'ul Bayt- we just don't pray to them. We say "Allahu'ma Salee ala Muhammad wa ala Ale Muhammad" and have been doing so before 12er Shi'ism existed. Jafar al Sadiq, master of Abu hanifa, founded the first Sunni School.
@LuckyDukeSeven never say u know everything..because u dont know what u were never told.... sunni islam is corrupt. for example..omar ibn al khattab martyred the Prophets (saws) daughter (bibi Fatema Zahra). There are plenty of sunni hadiths that confirm this. this is 1 reference i can give you - Sahih al-Bukhari, Arabic-English, v8, Tradition #817....yet sunnis still praise him as one of the "rightly guided caliphs"..be aware i only gave u one justification of Shia Islam. there is so much more.
Sorry friend, I converted to Islam several years ago after studying all modern forms of Islam.
I know more about this than you do, and the Da'eef Hadith you've given me is a categorical fabrication that contradicts other musnad hadiths, and these are those that later Persian narrations copied, directly, 400 or so years later when the 12ers (you) were developed.
I'm not interesting in discussing religion with a 12er, it's sort of useless, just peace and love.
@LuckyDukeSeven first of all you just admitted that ur own sunni hadiths are fabricated. secondly its unhealthy that you're not up for discussing your religion further. i mean are u scared of finding out an unwanted truth? besides gaining knowledge is never useless whether u agree or not...and btw u seem really arrogant about ur knowledge. ok youre a convert. welldone. but u need 2 get back down to earth and realise that youve only taken a few steps towards your destination. long way to go buddy
Take no offense. Yes, there are plenty of fabricated Sunni Hadiths. Many, many of them. In fact, that's what the compilers of the Hadiths themselves say so. But I certainly won't accept 12er Hadiths, some from 1000 AH in Persian originally, as real Hadiths.
I'm answering you from a phone. I have time to explain things, but not to hear useless arguments I've heard before.
It's not arrogance. It's simply what happens when you find truth. Inshallah all Muslims find the truth.
@LuckyDukeSeven you dont even fully believe in your own hadiths. you shouldnt be so arrogant in your knowledge about islam just coz youve read a few wiki pages. honestly. it seems the more you know.. the more you dont know. and right now youre neglecting information because its too complex for you or your mind cant comprehend that amount of truth in one go. its okay..take it in steps. you learnt one thing today. tomorrow learn another thing. just pray for guidance.
Allah says that Islam is simple in the Qur'an. "too complex" means that the Qur'an is telling a falsehood.
Like I said. From your comments, you proved you have no idea what Sunni Islam is. From your comments about Shi'ism, I'm starting to doubt you even know what Shi'ism is.
God Bless you. If you want to learn more, check out the convert community. "Converted2Islam" has good videos. Look up Imam Abdul Murad. He's a British Imam, very smart.
12er Shiism was born and propelled through evolution in the year 1200 AD. It's a combination of the feeling of national loss that Persians developed. The very people who defeated the Iranians when they launched their campaign to destroy Iraq and wipe out Islam (The first three Caliphs) are thus, the central target. It's actually very logical.
It's also the reason why the 12ers launched wars against the Ismaeli Shi'ites, who didn't share their opinions, destroying them.
@LuckyDukeSeven the initiation of Shia Islam has nothing to do with feeling of national loss. dude you really need change or wide your range of sources. coz quite frankly your knowledge is really wrong.
The initiation of 12er Shia Islam is all about loss. Is was developed and expanded on in Persia, by Persians and then Shah Ismael I lead a conquest in which he forcefully converted the Sunns of Persia, along with the old Shi'ites (the Ismaelis.)
12er Shi'ism emphasized cursing the first 3 Caliphs. These are that Caliphs that initially conquered Persia. The connection is obvious.
@LuckyDukeSeven no Shia islam started becoz straight after the Propeht (saws) death abu bakr betrayed the Prophets order and instead of being at the burial ceremony he rushed to secure his place as Caliph...(the Prophet (saws) had already appointed Imam Ali (as) to be his successor (in the event of Ghadir Khumm) this is a widely known fact amongst all muslims. however some choose to deny and ignore this information which is y sunnis neglect the family of the prophet and stick 2
This is not the difference betwen 12ers and other Muslims. Zeidis believe in this story as well. Most Muslims do not. There are next to no primary sources detailing this event.
Furthermore, in Muhammad's last prayer (before his death) he put his hand on the back of Abu Bakr, and pushed him to be the Imam in Medina. For Sunnis, this symbolized Abu Bakr's Caliphate.
@LuckyDukeSeven abu bakr wasnt even at the Prophet (saws) burial ceremony. he was too busy concerned with securing his place as caliph - totally disregarding that the Prophet (saws) appointed his own blood - Imam Ali (as). and there are countless sunni hadiths such as bukhari and tirmidhi which say that when the Prophet (saws) was dying he was asked what his last wish was and he said "follow the Quran and my Ahlul Bayt (bloodline. i.e - 12 imams) if you do not wish to be led astray"
@LuckyDukeSeven thanks but always pray for yourself more. and dont assume you know everything. ..now u have no excuse on judgement day when youre asked why you were neglectful to the family of the Prophet and why you followed the very people who corrupted islam (abu bakr and omar namely) because ill be your witness. wasalam and i hope you go deeper because right now youve simply scratched the surface.
@LuckyDukeSeven in Surah Maidah (5:3) it says "i have now completed your religion" which explicitly refers 2when the Prophet openly appointed Imam Ali (as) as his successor after he received his final revelation. i mean even if u look at this situation through the eyes of a non believer.u would come 2 the conclusion that Imam Ali (as) was the righteous successor, even if a shopkeeper knew he was gonna die he would appoint someone 2look after it, let alone the Prophet,who had Islam in his hands.
Islam is a simple religion. That's what appealed to me about it. Shia Akida (any one except Zeidi) is very complicated. Various Mullahs and Ayatollahs have varying degrees of tolerance towards things like "praying to Al Zahra" where one actually prostrates to her tomb.
I was a Catholic. I'm in no need of anymore idol worship.
There are several men called "Imam Mahdi" each for a specific Shia sect. Yours is the newest. Try reading up on it.
@LuckyDukeSeven dude theres only one Imam Mahdi (as) and he will reappear at the end of time inshaAllah with Hazrat Isa (as). everyone agrees on this dno bout you though.
@LuckyDukeSeven there are around 500 million Shias and they're in fact rapidly growing as people become less ignorant. besides you should never justify something by its size..because according to that theory Christianity is the most popular religion..hmm...anyway just know one thing...the truth will never be promoted by mainstream media as Sunni Islam is...and for your info Sunnis have a number of sects too. one very notorious one being the Wahhabi's.. who's aim is to ruin Islam's reputation.
Sunni Islam doesn't have sects. It has political movements that all believe the same Akida. Sufisim and Salafism are two different political selections of belief in the same source of Hadith (just for your enlightenment.)
Shiaism is increasing along with Shi'ite birth rates- no one really converts to Shia Islam.
Shia'ism isn't one group, it has different sects, with different Mahdis and Imams lines.
Sunni Islam is more numerous than any single Christian sect.
@LuckyDukeSeven sunnism does have sects. u can call it political movements all u like but the fact remains, Sunnism has divisions &like i said 1 of the notorious ones is Wahabbism, Saudi is a prime example of it. u shouldnt conclude that shias r only increasing with birth rates simply becoz youve personally only ever looked into sunni converts, &i dno how many Imam Mahdi(as) u think there r but every1 agrees theres 1. &once again please dont justify ur belief with the number of advocates to it.
I agree with you it's wrong what they do, but this only happens in Afghanistan and Lebanon. Iran, Turkey and a part of Iraq forbid this cause it's haram. But don't say stupid things about shia because they're muslims too but from another branch and have different traditions. Not to talk about sunni who are terrorist and bombing the whole world and killing innocent people, do you really think that's what Allah wants? At least it's better to fight for your religion!
I don't have anything agains sunni, we're all muslims. I'm just telling you that writing these stupid stuff won't make you a better muslim if you really think you are. And the most of terrorist are sunni muslims like Taliban and Al-qaeda..
Mourning for the sacrifice of Hussein,(pbuh)........................yes, he deserves commeration for his courage...........but, at around this same time, long before Hussein was born, was born the holy prophet Isa. (spare a thought for what Isa wanted for humanity).
I'm Shi'a, although I don't agree with the chains, we should not forget the main message: commemorating the death of Imam Hussain (as) the grandson of the Prophet.
You don't know anything about Islam you fuck, so stop pretending you're any better when you're only a fucking american! 9/11 was Osama Bin Laden who made it as you say, and he was sunni. To kill innocent people, is that not being a kuffar? Anyway I think you deserved it, so now you can feel how we feel in our country! The only thing you see is this you don't know the story about Imam Hussein. But I hope in judgement day Allah will give you a strong punishment you faggot!
And you know something about islam? It's only sunni muslims that has been given Islam a bad reputation. Who did 9/11? That was sunni, and again Spain 2005, London and I can go on and on. Taliban is based on only sunni muslim. I've never heard of Shia terrorist. Sunni muslims only love themselves and think that killing shia muslim is the only way to heaven. So if you think that killing people isn't to be a kuffar, then something is wrong.
@AmelaTurkiye1 I don't even know why you guys pray, when it doesn't even make a sence. If Saddam Hussein didn't kill shia muslims, you guys wouldn't give a shit about him. At least we fight and respect our religion, while you are against yours. I don't have anything against sunni, but when you say stuff like that and you don't know anything about shia I really think you should shut up.
I don't even know why you guys pray, when it doesn't even make a sence. If Saddam Hussein didn't kill shia muslims, you guys wouldn't give a shit about him. At least we fight and respect our religion, while you are against yours. I don't have anything against sunni, but when you say stuff like that and you don't know anything about shia I really think you should shut up.
I agree with you that beating themselves is wrong, but this is more cultural than religious. In Turkey, Iran and I think a part of Iraq have forbid this. You can't say stuff about shia like that, because they are also muslims, but from a different branch. If you love Allah you must love Prophet Muhammed and his whole family. Also you can't say what's right or wrong, because as you said Allah can only judge..
YEA ALLAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH....YOU ARE THE REAL FOOLS
femififisunniislam 1 week ago
This is soooooo unislamic. It is against the religeon to hurt yourself.
starlight200816 1 month ago
Why does the media, make Shias look really bad. Imam Hussien(AS) was the grandson of the Prophet. On the birth of the Imam the Prophet said, this child will be the Martyr of Karbalaa, and no one in this universe will feel his pain. So Sunnis your proud of Killing an Imam from the Prophets blood and Family? Before the Prophet had passed away he clearly said 3 things that are important in this world, 1: Family.2:Keep Islam living.3:Pass the story of all the Imams around the World.
AlAnsarZahraa 2 months ago
terrible terrible reporting!
khasoKHASHAKtoei 2 months ago
i seen this on my internation dish and i left the room...i can see the muslim men they believe this is the way of rememberance of the imam hussein but self inflicting your self like that isnt going to bring him back...not all muslims believe this type of self infliction
shellymeert1 2 months ago
All Muslims, please come to the real teachings of Islam. This kind of ritual has never been done during the lifetime of the Prophet (p.b.u.h) though there were hundreds of martyrs died in several holy wars. Crying (with voice and words) over the death / funeral of our loved ones is forbidden in Islam then why go to the extent of injuring one's self to commemorate other people's death?
SkinnnedHead 2 months ago
Im a shitte and Im 100% against this, this isn't what imam hussain (AS) would like to see you do is it? wake up and try to represent our faith in a proper way.
MafiaBoss20072 2 months ago
@MafiaBoss20072 its shia. not shitte
jazab99 2 months ago
looooooooooool muslims are so fucking dumb these are the people who invaded modern day iraq and turned it into a shithole! look at these animals shedding blood for no reason! these people dont even belong in iraq they are the real invaders!
yoyoyoyo4166 2 months ago
u idiot Imam Ali got nothing to do with shi'ites ..just the way hazrat Isa and Musa got nothing to do with christians and jews
daredevilhaq 2 months ago
@daredevilhaq Imam Ali is relative to the whole of mankind.
jazab99 2 months ago
they couldnt pay me enough money to do something that sickening...forget that crap
shellymeert1 2 months ago
@shellymeert1 u watched it for free. enough said.
jazab99 2 months ago
For those shias arguing with the sunnis, please don't as there is no use! At least do it for the sake of our great Imam, al Hussain (A.S).
Its such a shame that so many do not acknowledge the greatness of our Imam, and what bothers me is that the majority of them arguing do not understand what shiasim is about, but they 'assume'.
I am so glad I was born into a shia family and was bred to love Ahlulbayt, its a true blessing I thank Allah for it and I really feel sorry for those who deny them.
Tabi3atu0Ahlulbayt 2 months ago 2
why do sunnis celebrate the day of Ashura??????? would they celebrate the death of their families??? ASTAQFIRULLAH.
jazab99 2 months ago 2
@jazab99 Couldn't agree more. I believe its lack of knowledge.
Every day is Ashura, every land is Karbala! Ya hussain.
Tabi3atu0Ahlulbayt 2 months ago 2
what a bunch of douche bags
thenewrapstyle 2 months ago
I am Shia and the commentator doesnt know nothing about Shia Muslims. We mourn Imam Hussein a.s and try to bring back the battle of Karbala and also train ourselves just like men from the army train their selves with many practices which hurt themselves. Causing yourself to bleed isnt just healthy but also it is philosophically understandable .. When we cut our heads it is to show we arent afraid of blood and we want to feel the pain of Imam Hussein a.s and prove our loyalty against his enemies
4Shia 2 months ago
@4Shia
so getting ripped to pieces in a bomb blast you must really love Hussain
I think more Shia should show their love by blowing up or atleast beat your testicles
howie1962 2 months ago
@howie1962 yes we love dying for the cause of Imam Hussein a.s
i really think we should show our love by blowing up bakri wahabi mosques that would be awesome just like jaysh almahdi does in Iraq ..as for the testicle part wow why are you wahabis obsessed with testicles and such
4Shia 2 months ago
@howie1962 bombing has nothing to do with mourning the death of Imam Hussain (AS). Please educate yourself before making ignorant assumptions. Would be much appreciated.
jazab99 2 months ago
Most Shia dont go this serious and this is more cultural than religious so stop hating and generalizing the shia.
secrethankwave 2 months ago
estafaruallah
gusbus313 2 months ago
Holier than thou = crazier than thou
AtheistOnTheEdge 2 months ago
Shi'ites---> 8% of Muslims world wide, according to the CIA world fact book.
Of those 8%, 70% are 12er shi'ites.
Those are the only Shi'ites that practice self flagellation. That group includes most Shi'ites in Iran, Iraq, Lebanon and Afghanistan.
Zeidi Shi'ites in Yemen, for example, don't practice this.
LuckyDukeSeven 2 months ago
@LuckyDukeSeven
Iran and Iraq doesn't practice this, they have forbid it after there has been discussions about it, and Turkey aswell.
AmelaTurkiye1 2 months ago
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AmelaTurkiye1 2 months ago
@LuckyDukeSeven
Or a part of Iraq doesn't. In Kerbala I think. Plus there is differently not 8% shia. There is at least 15%, because I've heard many sunni muslims convert every year.
AmelaTurkiye1 2 months ago
@AmelaTurkiye1
It's probably around 10%.
The rate of Sunni Islam's increase is the fastest on earth, followed by Christianity. Shi'ism isn't gaining too many converts from what I see. In the US, essentially all new Muslims (typically Americans, minorities) convert.
Also, take into account that 12er Shi'ites (the Iranians, Iraqis, some Turks) aren't the only Shia sect. Each Shia sec has a different Imam line. The Zaydi Shia of Yemen are growing,and they're exactly like Sunnis.
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@LuckyDukeSeven
I've just heard the people who are Sunni convert to Shia islam later, but I'm not sure..
AmelaTurkiye1 2 months ago
@LuckyDukeSeven
And how can the Zaydi Shia in Yemen be exactly like Sunni, when they believe in Imam Hussein and remember him every year?? Then they should be called sunni's instead of shia ...
AmelaTurkiye1 2 months ago
@AmelaTurkiye1
Zaydi Shia's have a different Imam line. They do not believe Imams are infallible. They use the same Hadith sources as Sunnis, and do not hold any relation to the Persian Shia (12er) sources. They do not believe in invoking God through invoking Ahl'ul Bayt. (For example, they don't have the prayer to al Zahrah)
They have actually been called a School of Sunni Islam by the Sunni Scholars.
Sunnis remember Sayed Hussein too- we just don't "cry" & we fast Ashurah.
LuckyDukeSeven 2 months ago
@AmelaTurkiye1
What you need to remember is "Shia" is actually a word.
It means "Sect"- it doesn't mean a specific sect.
There are many "Sects" of people who politically believe Ali was supposed to be the first Caliph.
12ers (you)
Seveners
Ismaelis
Zaydis
ect.
The political "Shi'at Ali" became the Zaydi Shia in Yemen and Saudi Arabia. Later on, more Shia would develop. The last one was the 12er Shia, who are the only ones who believe that "Al Mahdi" is living in Samara, Iraq.
LuckyDukeSeven 2 months ago
@AmelaTurkiye1
The Sunnis were a group of people who believe in the legitimacy of the first 3 caliphs. They supported the campaign against Yazid in Iraq.
They maintained a single sect- so they simply didn't earn a "Shia" title.
The first "official" Sunni School was started by Ja'far Al Sadiq (A man Shia and Sunnis consider to be the 6th Imam)- he was the Master of Abu Hanifa. Together, they created the first Madhab of Sunni Islam.
Hope I helped.
(read the first 2 replies too)
LuckyDukeSeven 2 months ago
@AmelaTurkiye1
(Just one more comment)
... by the way.. You do know that Sunnis believe in and love Sayed Imam Hussein, right? You do know that we hate Yazid, and believe in almost all of the 12 Imams that the 12ers believe in, right?
Just asking. Anyways, read the 3 comments below I gave you. I hope they help.
LuckyDukeSeven 2 months ago
@LuckyDukeSeven
If you really love Sayed Imam Hussein then why don't you remember him in the 10th day of Muharram? I've heard some sunnis celebrate his death. Also when we pray we say "Allah musali ala muhammad wa ali muhammed" and you only pray for Allah and Prophet Muhammed. You don't remember all the 12 Imams. Plus the Zaydi Shia believe in Imam Mahdi, but they think he's not born yet while the 12er think he is still alive and he will come at the end of the world.
AmelaTurkiye1 2 months ago
@AmelaTurkiye1
The Sunnis believe in Imam Mahdi, but they don't believe he's born yet, same as the Zeidis.
"Allahu'ma'sali ala Muhammad wa ala aleh Muhammad" is something we say every time when we preform Salat.
I've found that alot of you Shia (actually, not all Shia, just the 12ers) have no idea what we believe.
However- that's true. Many Muslim youth don't know much about the Imams. But that's because they only read the Quran (not many hadith), which has no mention of them.
LuckyDukeSeven 2 months ago
@LuckyDukeSeven
That is not true, you only include Allah and Prophet Muhammed when you pray. Of all the Sunni I know say that they don't include his family.
I've found that you only study Shia for beating themselves and that they're crazy but you don' know the story of it and what happened in Kerbala...
AmelaTurkiye1 2 months ago
@AmelaTurkiye1
I know exactly what happened in Karbala. The Iraqi Shia beat themselves because their ancestors slaughtered the Prophet's grandson, despite promising to aid in his revolution against Yazid. So when Imam Hussein traveled from Al Hijaz (Saudi Arabia) to Al Iraq he was supposed to meet with the rebel army.
It turned out that the Iraqis would betray him, and take the side of Yazid for money and wealth. They cut his head off after torturing and killing him.
LuckyDukeSeven 2 months ago
@LuckyDukeSeven
The beating yourself things is very new and normal in Afghanistan and Pakistan. But it's more normal on the chest and you can't even hurt yourself from that. And we do it because that was he first thing the family did when they found out that Imam Hussein got killed. You seem to know a alot about shia, and it's weird because if you think you follow the right then we even waste your time on this and discussing with me?..
AmelaTurkiye1 2 months ago
@AmelaTurkiye1
I know I'm following the right path- but I love, and believe 12ers and Sunnis should understand each other.
If you can understand that I love Ahul ul Bayt, and you understand that we Sunni Muslims believe almost exactly what you believe (Imam Mahdi) and that the Imams even founded some of our schools, then I've fulfilled my objective.
I don't want you to leave 12erShia Islam. I just want you to understand what we believe- and respect us for it. That's it.
LuckyDukeSeven 2 months ago
@LuckyDukeSeven
Shia and Sunni can't never be the same and understand each other, and that's why there are war between us today. We both think we have different religions but we're all muslims. And that is, for somebody, very hard to understand...
AmelaTurkiye1 2 months ago
@AmelaTurkiye1
You're right- we're not exactly the same. But we didn't fight for over 1000 years... this fighting is new fighting.
We don't have to follow anyone except Muhammad and his family and companions. We can listen to our Scholars, and take advice from them, but they'll never be "Holy" 12er Ayatollahs like priests in Christianity or Rabbis in Judaism. This is our difference.
But we all live together now. We should respect each other.
LuckyDukeSeven 2 months ago
@AmelaTurkiye1
(Continued)
No. What do you mean, that's not true? Who are you to even begin to say that? Have you talk to a Sunni Sheik? You can simply google it. We say it when we say our Tahiyah, before were start the Juma Khutbah and whenever we make a prayer.
1.5 billion Sunni Muslims say that every day, as we do that Tahiyah on our knees. And it's not called "Praying to" Muhammad and his family. It's "Praying FOR" Muhammad and his family, for their blessing.
LuckyDukeSeven 2 months ago
@LuckyDukeSeven
And the other 3 sects is a minority in the world. 12er is the largest of them all. I have friends who are sunni, and they don't even know who Imam Hussein is, or the 12 imams.
AmelaTurkiye1 2 months ago
@AmelaTurkiye1
(Continued)
12er is the largest shia sect, but it's the newest and most different from the rest. We disagree with your more recent sources for Hadith.
We also don't believe in hitting ourselves, crying and making prayers to Ahlul Bayt. For example, you guys ask Imam Hussein and Ali for things (Before I was Muslim, I studied 12er Shia methodology.) For us, it is Haraam to invoke anyone but Allah. That is what Muhammad commanded, and what the Qur'an says.
LuckyDukeSeven 2 months ago
@LuckyDukeSeven
The quran says respect Allah and Muhammed, but that does not mean that you shouldn't respect his family too. It's just like respecting your parents, but not the rest of your family. I think it's wrong to hit yourself but again it's more cultural, and Imam Hussein sacrificed himself for Islam and that's why every year we remember him. You can keep on disagreeing but it won't take you anywhere and doesn't make Sunni islam more true, because only Allah knows..
AmelaTurkiye1 2 months ago
@AmelaTurkiye1
Who doesn't respect his family? We love and respect his family.
The difference between you, and us and the rest of the Shia, is that you actually make "prayers" to his family- asking them for things. This is Haraam in the Qur'an. We don't. We pray for their blessing and to be like them. That's it.
And as I said before, we've been saying "Allahuma sali ala muhammad wa ala aleh Muhammad" 400 years before the 12ers even existed.
LuckyDukeSeven 2 months ago
@LuckyDukeSeven
But you can't say what's right or wrong because only Allah KNOWS, and again you've never visit Kerbala and it's not all about beating yourself. We actually learn something over there, but for you it will always be hard to understand. I've heard Sunni Sheiks talk, and the only thing he says is to hate Shia. Sunni only love themselves and if someone disagrees with them they kill and that's how solve their problems.
AmelaTurkiye1 2 months ago
@LuckyDukeSeven
When Saddam Hussein got killed, we all hoped for peace but that's why there is still war in Iraq. If Saddam didn't kill Shia muslims you wouldn't give a shit about him, and it's the same thing with Osama Bin Laden...
AmelaTurkiye1 2 months ago
@AmelaTurkiye1
Saddam Hussein was a Baathist, like Bashar Al Assad. They're atheists. Osama was an American agent... you realize I'm an Irish American, and don't really care about either of these people, right?
No. I know I'm right because I follow the Qur'an first, and Hadith and scholars second. I converted into Islam through thought- I left the faith given to me by my parents. And I studied everything before entering Sunni Islam. Still, I believe you're fine.
LuckyDukeSeven 2 months ago
@LuckyDukeSeven
Saddam is a "Shui" I don't know how it's spelled, but Shui's literally hate Shia and they think that killing us would make the world better and please Allah that way. I think it's amazing that you've converted to Islam, because it's the right thing. You just need to know that there will always be disagreements between people and I'm not only talking about Sunni and Shia..
AmelaTurkiye1 2 months ago
@AmelaTurkiye1
Whatever group Saddam belonged to is of no concern. I hate the man. But I also hate the people who believe in harming anyone- Sunni, 12er, Shia, Christian or Jew. It's all haraam. In the Qur'an, it's haraam.
I know we will always have disagreements, but my objective was to clairify to you what we Sunnis actually believe. We love Ahl ul Bayt, and believe in Imam Al Mahdi (like the Zeidi belief)
God Bless you, I hope I helped in your understanding.
LuckyDukeSeven 2 months ago
@LuckyDukeSeven congratulations on contradicting yourself. islam doesnt preach hate. period.
jazab99 2 months ago
@jazab99
Are you sure you're replying to the right person? I haven't preached anything hateful against Shi'ites, and not against Sunnis.
No, Islam does preach hate. Hate against Evil. It is a Muslims duty to hate Evil. Saddam Hussein and the Ba'athists, are Evil rapists. Thus, no matter what madhab I follow, it is my duty as a Muslims to hate them, and be their enemy. I hate Saddam, I hate Bashar and I hate Qaddafi. I hate the enemies of Allah.
LuckyDukeSeven 2 months ago
@LuckyDukeSeven the way you worded your comment was confusing. but anyway if your duty is to hate enemies of islam then why do you sunnis praise yazid and muawiyah and the rest of enemies? and surely if islam preaches hate against the enemies it preaches love and affection towards the prophet and his family...so why do sunnis almost disregard the ahlul bayt?
jazab99 2 months ago
@jazab99
Ok, Now I'll explain.
Sunnis resent Muawiyah, but don't curse him. I haven't heard of a single Sunni Scholar that likes Yazid. Yazid is seen as a vile man in most Sunni communities, an example of corruption.
Once again, this is you misunderstanding us.
We love Ahl'ul Bayt- we just don't pray to them. We say "Allahu'ma Salee ala Muhammad wa ala Ale Muhammad" and have been doing so before 12er Shi'ism existed. Jafar al Sadiq, master of Abu hanifa, founded the first Sunni School.
LuckyDukeSeven 2 months ago
@LuckyDukeSeven never say u know everything..because u dont know what u were never told.... sunni islam is corrupt. for example..omar ibn al khattab martyred the Prophets (saws) daughter (bibi Fatema Zahra). There are plenty of sunni hadiths that confirm this. this is 1 reference i can give you - Sahih al-Bukhari, Arabic-English, v8, Tradition #817....yet sunnis still praise him as one of the "rightly guided caliphs"..be aware i only gave u one justification of Shia Islam. there is so much more.
jazab99 2 months ago
@jazab99
Sorry friend, I converted to Islam several years ago after studying all modern forms of Islam.
I know more about this than you do, and the Da'eef Hadith you've given me is a categorical fabrication that contradicts other musnad hadiths, and these are those that later Persian narrations copied, directly, 400 or so years later when the 12ers (you) were developed.
I'm not interesting in discussing religion with a 12er, it's sort of useless, just peace and love.
Salaam.
LuckyDukeSeven 2 months ago
@LuckyDukeSeven first of all you just admitted that ur own sunni hadiths are fabricated. secondly its unhealthy that you're not up for discussing your religion further. i mean are u scared of finding out an unwanted truth? besides gaining knowledge is never useless whether u agree or not...and btw u seem really arrogant about ur knowledge. ok youre a convert. welldone. but u need 2 get back down to earth and realise that youve only taken a few steps towards your destination. long way to go buddy
jazab99 2 months ago
@jazab99
Take no offense. Yes, there are plenty of fabricated Sunni Hadiths. Many, many of them. In fact, that's what the compilers of the Hadiths themselves say so. But I certainly won't accept 12er Hadiths, some from 1000 AH in Persian originally, as real Hadiths.
I'm answering you from a phone. I have time to explain things, but not to hear useless arguments I've heard before.
It's not arrogance. It's simply what happens when you find truth. Inshallah all Muslims find the truth.
LuckyDukeSeven 2 months ago
@LuckyDukeSeven you dont even fully believe in your own hadiths. you shouldnt be so arrogant in your knowledge about islam just coz youve read a few wiki pages. honestly. it seems the more you know.. the more you dont know. and right now youre neglecting information because its too complex for you or your mind cant comprehend that amount of truth in one go. its okay..take it in steps. you learnt one thing today. tomorrow learn another thing. just pray for guidance.
jazab99 2 months ago
@jazab99
My friend, we all learn everyday.
Allah says that Islam is simple in the Qur'an. "too complex" means that the Qur'an is telling a falsehood.
Like I said. From your comments, you proved you have no idea what Sunni Islam is. From your comments about Shi'ism, I'm starting to doubt you even know what Shi'ism is.
God Bless you. If you want to learn more, check out the convert community. "Converted2Islam" has good videos. Look up Imam Abdul Murad. He's a British Imam, very smart.
LuckyDukeSeven 2 months ago
@jazab99
12er Shiism was born and propelled through evolution in the year 1200 AD. It's a combination of the feeling of national loss that Persians developed. The very people who defeated the Iranians when they launched their campaign to destroy Iraq and wipe out Islam (The first three Caliphs) are thus, the central target. It's actually very logical.
It's also the reason why the 12ers launched wars against the Ismaeli Shi'ites, who didn't share their opinions, destroying them.
LuckyDukeSeven 2 months ago
@LuckyDukeSeven the initiation of Shia Islam has nothing to do with feeling of national loss. dude you really need change or wide your range of sources. coz quite frankly your knowledge is really wrong.
jazab99 2 months ago
@jazab99
The initiation of 12er Shia Islam is all about loss. Is was developed and expanded on in Persia, by Persians and then Shah Ismael I lead a conquest in which he forcefully converted the Sunns of Persia, along with the old Shi'ites (the Ismaelis.)
12er Shi'ism emphasized cursing the first 3 Caliphs. These are that Caliphs that initially conquered Persia. The connection is obvious.
LuckyDukeSeven 2 months ago
@LuckyDukeSeven no Shia islam started becoz straight after the Propeht (saws) death abu bakr betrayed the Prophets order and instead of being at the burial ceremony he rushed to secure his place as Caliph...(the Prophet (saws) had already appointed Imam Ali (as) to be his successor (in the event of Ghadir Khumm) this is a widely known fact amongst all muslims. however some choose to deny and ignore this information which is y sunnis neglect the family of the prophet and stick 2
the "companions"
jazab99 2 months ago
@jazab99
This is not the difference betwen 12ers and other Muslims. Zeidis believe in this story as well. Most Muslims do not. There are next to no primary sources detailing this event.
Furthermore, in Muhammad's last prayer (before his death) he put his hand on the back of Abu Bakr, and pushed him to be the Imam in Medina. For Sunnis, this symbolized Abu Bakr's Caliphate.
LuckyDukeSeven 2 months ago
@LuckyDukeSeven abu bakr wasnt even at the Prophet (saws) burial ceremony. he was too busy concerned with securing his place as caliph - totally disregarding that the Prophet (saws) appointed his own blood - Imam Ali (as). and there are countless sunni hadiths such as bukhari and tirmidhi which say that when the Prophet (saws) was dying he was asked what his last wish was and he said "follow the Quran and my Ahlul Bayt (bloodline. i.e - 12 imams) if you do not wish to be led astray"
jazab99 2 months ago
@jazab99
Check out Abdul Murad and converted2Islam.
Asalamualaycom brother. Disagreements we may have, but I still view you as a brother- really. Allah be with you.
LuckyDukeSeven 2 months ago
@LuckyDukeSeven thanks but always pray for yourself more. and dont assume you know everything. ..now u have no excuse on judgement day when youre asked why you were neglectful to the family of the Prophet and why you followed the very people who corrupted islam (abu bakr and omar namely) because ill be your witness. wasalam and i hope you go deeper because right now youve simply scratched the surface.
jazab99 2 months ago
@LuckyDukeSeven in Surah Maidah (5:3) it says "i have now completed your religion" which explicitly refers 2when the Prophet openly appointed Imam Ali (as) as his successor after he received his final revelation. i mean even if u look at this situation through the eyes of a non believer.u would come 2 the conclusion that Imam Ali (as) was the righteous successor, even if a shopkeeper knew he was gonna die he would appoint someone 2look after it, let alone the Prophet,who had Islam in his hands.
jazab99 2 months ago
@jazab99
(Comment 3, Last)
Islam is a simple religion. That's what appealed to me about it. Shia Akida (any one except Zeidi) is very complicated. Various Mullahs and Ayatollahs have varying degrees of tolerance towards things like "praying to Al Zahra" where one actually prostrates to her tomb.
I was a Catholic. I'm in no need of anymore idol worship.
There are several men called "Imam Mahdi" each for a specific Shia sect. Yours is the newest. Try reading up on it.
LuckyDukeSeven 2 months ago
@LuckyDukeSeven dude theres only one Imam Mahdi (as) and he will reappear at the end of time inshaAllah with Hazrat Isa (as). everyone agrees on this dno bout you though.
jazab99 2 months ago
@jazab99
You're right, there is one Mahdi.
But each Shia group believes in a different Mahdi.
Zeidis (Like Sunnis) believe he was not born yet.
Ismailis believe Musa Al Kazim (the brother of Jafar al Sadiq) is Imam Mahdi.
You believe the 12th Imam in the line (Muhammad al mahdi) is Imam Mahdi. No one but 12ers believes he's the Mahdi.
When I converted to Islam, there was no Wikipedia (I think.)
Sunnis are not supposed to believe in all our Hadiths. Hadiths are ranked by validity.
LuckyDukeSeven 2 months ago
@LuckyDukeSeven there are around 500 million Shias and they're in fact rapidly growing as people become less ignorant. besides you should never justify something by its size..because according to that theory Christianity is the most popular religion..hmm...anyway just know one thing...the truth will never be promoted by mainstream media as Sunni Islam is...and for your info Sunnis have a number of sects too. one very notorious one being the Wahhabi's.. who's aim is to ruin Islam's reputation.
jazab99 2 months ago
@jazab99
Sunni Islam doesn't have sects. It has political movements that all believe the same Akida. Sufisim and Salafism are two different political selections of belief in the same source of Hadith (just for your enlightenment.)
Shiaism is increasing along with Shi'ite birth rates- no one really converts to Shia Islam.
Shia'ism isn't one group, it has different sects, with different Mahdis and Imams lines.
Sunni Islam is more numerous than any single Christian sect.
Salaam
LuckyDukeSeven 2 months ago
@LuckyDukeSeven sunnism does have sects. u can call it political movements all u like but the fact remains, Sunnism has divisions &like i said 1 of the notorious ones is Wahabbism, Saudi is a prime example of it. u shouldnt conclude that shias r only increasing with birth rates simply becoz youve personally only ever looked into sunni converts, &i dno how many Imam Mahdi(as) u think there r but every1 agrees theres 1. &once again please dont justify ur belief with the number of advocates to it.
jazab99 2 months ago
@AmelaTurkiye1
** (typically Americans, minorities) convert to Sunni Islam.
Sorry, that part got cut off. I myself converted to Sunni Islam several years ago.
LuckyDukeSeven 2 months ago
just for our nonmuslim friends
most muslims don't do this
only crazy extremest shi'ites
arafat464 2 months ago
@arafat464
"Crazy" < How Islamic of you.
Longlivepalestine 2 months ago
@arafat464
Wow, you're a good muslim by saying other muslims are crazy. Couldn't be anymore stupid. Mashallah!
AmelaTurkiye1 2 months ago
lol
DarthSchwartz 2 months ago
Beat yourself bloody for God.......yeah, that's what God wants you fucking morons.
agelessrocker 2 months ago
@agelessrocker
I agree with you it's wrong what they do, but this only happens in Afghanistan and Lebanon. Iran, Turkey and a part of Iraq forbid this cause it's haram. But don't say stupid things about shia because they're muslims too but from another branch and have different traditions. Not to talk about sunni who are terrorist and bombing the whole world and killing innocent people, do you really think that's what Allah wants? At least it's better to fight for your religion!
AmelaTurkiye1 2 months ago
@AmelaTurkiye1
I don't have anything agains sunni, we're all muslims. I'm just telling you that writing these stupid stuff won't make you a better muslim if you really think you are. And the most of terrorist are sunni muslims like Taliban and Al-qaeda..
AmelaTurkiye1 2 months ago
Mourning for the sacrifice of Hussein,(pbuh)........................yes, he deserves commeration for his courage...........but, at around this same time, long before Hussein was born, was born the holy prophet Isa. (spare a thought for what Isa wanted for humanity).
acerb45666555 2 months ago
It's a minority of shia who do these things, press only focuses on the minority. The MAJORITY if shia condemn these acts.
DanceWeMe 2 months ago
I'm Shi'a, although I don't agree with the chains, we should not forget the main message: commemorating the death of Imam Hussain (as) the grandson of the Prophet.
AfghansAgainstWar 2 months ago
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This is the beginning of the Shia kafir Gay Pride parade
If they really want to suffer they should beat their testicles
howie1962 2 months ago
@howie1962
Disgusting. You know nothing of Ashura you troll.
Longlivepalestine 2 months ago
@Longlivepalestine
can't you see these kafirs are taking away attention from the Palestinians
I suppose you support these gay Yazidi practices
howie1962 2 months ago
@howie1962
Don't you dare talk as if you care.
Longlivepalestine 2 months ago
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AmelaTurkiye1 2 months ago
@howie1962
You don't know anything about Islam you fuck, so stop pretending you're any better when you're only a fucking american! 9/11 was Osama Bin Laden who made it as you say, and he was sunni. To kill innocent people, is that not being a kuffar? Anyway I think you deserved it, so now you can feel how we feel in our country! The only thing you see is this you don't know the story about Imam Hussein. But I hope in judgement day Allah will give you a strong punishment you faggot!
AmelaTurkiye1 2 months ago
@AmelaTurkiye1
what the fuck do you know of Islam Kufar. Osama was attacking the zionists
howie1962 2 months ago
@howie1962
And you know something about islam? It's only sunni muslims that has been given Islam a bad reputation. Who did 9/11? That was sunni, and again Spain 2005, London and I can go on and on. Taliban is based on only sunni muslim. I've never heard of Shia terrorist. Sunni muslims only love themselves and think that killing shia muslim is the only way to heaven. So if you think that killing people isn't to be a kuffar, then something is wrong.
AmelaTurkiye1 2 months ago
@AmelaTurkiye1 I don't even know why you guys pray, when it doesn't even make a sence. If Saddam Hussein didn't kill shia muslims, you guys wouldn't give a shit about him. At least we fight and respect our religion, while you are against yours. I don't have anything against sunni, but when you say stuff like that and you don't know anything about shia I really think you should shut up.
AmelaTurkiye1 2 months ago
@howie1962 YES AND OSAMA IS NOW SWIMMING WITH THE FISH
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@howie1962
I don't even know why you guys pray, when it doesn't even make a sence. If Saddam Hussein didn't kill shia muslims, you guys wouldn't give a shit about him. At least we fight and respect our religion, while you are against yours. I don't have anything against sunni, but when you say stuff like that and you don't know anything about shia I really think you should shut up.
AmelaTurkiye1 2 months ago
this is not a moslim activites.
only Shi'iah. so discosting
umair411 2 months ago
@umair411
So's your mother..
AmelaTurkiye1 2 months ago
@AmelaTurkiye1
I was describing the action itself. and every normal human would agree on what I said
I did not talk about your mother or any one...
Whatever you said, I believe in (god will judge)..
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@umair411
I agree with you that beating themselves is wrong, but this is more cultural than religious. In Turkey, Iran and I think a part of Iraq have forbid this. You can't say stuff about shia like that, because they are also muslims, but from a different branch. If you love Allah you must love Prophet Muhammed and his whole family. Also you can't say what's right or wrong, because as you said Allah can only judge..
AmelaTurkiye1 2 months ago
I'm a muslim sunni and I don't know why shi'ites keep doing this.
this is never was an islam, hurting your self!
NathanCipher 2 months ago
@NathanCipher what about wahabi sunnis blowing them selfs up killing shia
FUCKZIONISM666 2 months ago
@FUCKZIONISM666never was an islam either.
NathanCipher 2 months ago