This movie is filled with the myth of the Black Legend of Spain's alleged terror. So historically inaccurate. Also, Elizabeth's victory at the Battle of Gravelines was not as monumental as it was portrayed to be in the film.
@PrincessAprilAnn I thought royal bloodlines were the heirs of the Roman Patricians. Any way, it must be a kick (great) to be born with a family with a history of military prowess and power.
Why is it that everything turns into a fucking debate on youtube?! Just pull your dicks out and measure them already. IT'S NOTA DOCUMENTARY IT'S A FUCKING MOVIE FROM HOLLYWOOD. OF COURSE IT ISN'T BULLET PROOF IN ITS PORTRAYAL OF TIMES PAST. For fuck's sake!
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I have to Say Elizabeth was my favorite woman in History because she stood her ground for what she believed in and she still did not give up even when she seen the Spanish Armada coming she still held it togather
@Joeyal123 if i was your mother and i saw this, i will kick you out of the house. Even the favourite character was on the hill, treason or not i'll save my mother.
en España los reyes han sido siempre más absolutistas que en Inglaterra y más dictatoriales, costumbres que se prolongan hasta nuestros días, con una monarquía que se parece más a la de un país en dictadura que a la de un país con una democracia arraigada. la actual monarquia española no podría soportar ni una década de vida con el escrutinio y el nivel de crítica y burla al que se somete a la monarquía británica.
Are you kidding blue? He was one of the most murderous tyrants of all of world history. Don't you know what he was doing in the netherlands and in other protestant lands? Is killing protestants what makes somebody a "great king" in your eyes? He was a wicked sinner. He intensified the mass inquisiton against jews, protestants and muslims. He was your typical inbred elitest royalty. He had his own close relatives executed if they tried to trust in the Bible.
He was a complete tool of the Jesuits and demanded that nobody write anything about him and all writings about him be burned so that history would never understand the full extent of his crimes. It is because of him that the "Black Legend" started. He was a power hungry tyrant and a slave to the pope. He does not even compare to the Virgin Queen. Compared to Elizabeth he looks like the devil himself.
He sent assassins to kill every protestant ruler and waged war against what was Europes only two moderate and benign leaders- Elizabeth and Henry IV of France. Of course Henry IV was eventually assassinated by the fanatical jesuit François Ravaillac. Philip II also made the same mistake as every large empire. He over streached his forces and left Spain broke in the process. The people loved Elizabeth I but feared Philip.
Damn, you are a right on the money. It's so true. Awesome that you know about the Jesuits. Rotten evil basterds. Talk about working behind the scenes, and you know, as that saying goes, all roads lead to Rome.
Exactly right, but unfortunately, most "students of history" aren't truly aware of people like you and me aware of. Of course, it can take time to get up to that highest of level as a student of history regarding the truth. The Jesuits & Co. have their dirty agents like Alex Jones, Ron Paul, those Watson guys w ho work with Jones, Michael Tsar etc. fooling people.
I am not sure if Jones and then are necessarily "agents" of the jesuits or anybody.
The problem with Alex Jones is that he has dreams of going mainstream, that is why he follows the whole "political correctness" thing and will only speak of shadowy "elites" and globalists instead of pin pointing exactly who they are.
Alex Jones knows he will never go mainstream if he talks about catholicism or the jews. He fears being called a bigot (the modern day equivalent of a "heretic") and for that he is a coward.
Guys like Jons know what is truly in front of them, but the problem is that you won't actually ever hear them talk about it.... seriously. When they actually do bring up th Jesuits, Rome/Vatican, the Knights of Malta (SMOM), no doubt they are quick to dismiss such talk of the true controllers. All you hear them talk when it comes to powerful familis i the Rockefellers, Rothschilds, DuPonts for example, but will mock & not talk about the truly more powerful families-the Papal Bloodlines.
Jones also knows that if he begins to focus on the papacy that he will not be able to get papal knights like Pat Buchanan or Alan Keyes to appear on his show anymore.
And, as you already know, it's not their job to talk about it. Alex Jones has, in fact, been on mainstream networks. Hey, I don't if you know about the site Th Unhived Mind II, but it is the place to be. Please join. I'm going to give you the link via message, as this comment that I've been trying to post is notshowing up.
@WorshipInTruth: It's true that life under king Philip was no picnic, but Elizabeth was a full fledged dictator who manipulated her subjects through propaganda and secret police. It's easy to glamorize her when we watch movies like this one, but I wouldn't want to live in Elizabethan England. Just thought I'd point that out. The soundtrack for this movie is awesome, though. I love it.
@canadarox14 Are you kidding? Philip was 20 times more authoritarian and cruel than Elizabeth. Have you ever heard of the inqusition? That is what was going on in Philips Spain, no inquisition in England. The people of England had never of had as much political liberty as they had under Elizabeth.
Elizabeth had numerous priests and catholics working for her destruction. She was surrounded by enemies and possible assassins, Philip's life was never in danger from protestant assassins as Elizabeth's was by catholic-jesuit assassins. Elizabeth asserted that she did not want to rule over anybodies conscience (unlike philip and the pope who believed they had that right) so she gave the catholics freedom of worship.
@WorshipInTruth I'm sorry, I don't want to start an argument, but I have to disagree. Elizabeth infringed a lot on freedom of religion. It was punishable by death to be a Catholic priest in England at the time, and this meant that the only way for Catholics to worship was by harboring priests and risking their lives. (For information about this, look of the Act of 1585.) The consequences were a lot like the Spanish Inquisition.
@canadarox14 You need to take it into historical context. When you figure out WHY no priests were allowed then you have the key. The Jesuits were in constant CONSPIRACY to kill Elizabeth and replace her with a papist tyrant. The marian persecutions were worse and directed at a larger pool of people. I see you have a video of Edmund Campion in your profile, that means the two of us will never be able to see eye to eye on this issue.
@canadarox14 Do you think ANY protestants were allowed to exist in Philips Spain? In England, catholics were allowed to practice their faith as long as they did not harbor priests who were rightfully viewed as agents of a hostile foreign power.
@WorshipInTruth You're entitled to your opinion, but I think you're taking a narrow view on a complex issue. It's unfair to say every Catholic thought a certain way when there were many Catholics in England and it's impossible to know how each of them thought. I feel that most of the Catholics who were killed in after the reformation were not a threat to the monarchy's security, and were punished for other's crimes.
@canadarox14 Were there some innocent catholics who were punished for other's crimes? Certainly.... but in this the jesuits did not repent regardless of how many innocent catholics they had to sacrifice for their cause of returning England to Rome. The more catholic martyrs the better for the pope. Don't you see??
@WorshipInTruth Yes, if you look at it that way. I just wanted to establish the fact that many, in fact, most of the Catholics executed were not fanatical assassins, but simply devout Catholics. As far as Catholic martyrs being good for the pope, yes, every time a person is made a martyr it strengthens their cause. I need to go, but it's been nice talking to you. I'm sorry I'm so opinionated. I just love discussing these types of things.
@canadarox14 I enjoy debate with somebody such as yourself who is being respectful. I also love discussion of history, religion and politics. Do not apologize for being opinionated, it is a virtue as long as your opinions are based on truth.
@canadarox14 Many of those jesuits were literally brainwashed with fanaticism (modern day suicide terrorists) and WANTED to be captured and martyred to further the agenda. This is partially seen in a scene from Elizabeth: The Golden Age. My point is precisely that the court of Elizabeth was justified in executing jesuit priests. I of course oppose the idea of torture (for whatever reason) but the execution of dangerous lawbreakers is justifiable.
@canadarox14 This was not allowed to last because every catholic in England wanted her dead and refused to recognize her as the legitimate queen. Elizabethian England would have been the best place in the world to live at that time, unless of course you were a catholic conspirator in which case you had Walshingham on your arse.
@canadarox14 Your statement shows that you know nothing of the history. The secret police were absolutely necessary or else Elizabeth's reign wouldn't of lasted more than a week. So because she secured the love of her subjects you say she ruled through propaganda?? Elizabethian England was not full of secret torture chambers as was Philip's Spain, England had one, Spain had thousands.
@WorshipInTruth I actually do know a lot about this part of history. I just finished writing a paper about the Gunpowder Plot. It's true that there were Catholics who wanted Elizabeth and her successor James dead, but the English government used Catholics as a scapegoat by pinning all their problems on Catholic opposition. They were justified in enforcing laws that would protect themselves and their subjects, but not in torturing and killing people for their religious beliefs.
@canadarox14 The actions of Walshingham were perhaps a little extreme but it did save Elizabeth's life more than once. Also note that this is the 16th century we are talking about here, the world was just coming out of the medieval ages. Those catholics who were tortured were either jesuit priests themselves or suspected of being involved with individuals who were plotting against the throne.
@WorshipInTruth I know it was the 16th century, and things got ugly, but if we're using that as justification, than the Spanish Inquisition was just as justified as Queen Elizabeth. Thought I'd point that out.
@canadarox14 Those priests who were captured knew very well that they were banished from England and that they would likely be tortured and killed if they were caught, they could have taken refuge in Rome or any of the many other catholic nations but they decided to enter England because they were driven by a murderous fanaticism to return England to the yolk of Rome. They gave their lives not for Christ but to further the political ambitions of king Philip and the pope.
@canadarox14 Just look at what was going on in the Netherlands during Elizabeth's reign. The Duke of Alba (working on behalf of king philip) was committing mass genocide on protestants. The reign of the Duke of Alba is legendary for its harsh rule and cruelty. The protestants of England knew the same would come to England if a catholic monarch was restored. The 16th century jesuits were sort of the al-Qaeda terrorists of their era. Keep that in mind.
@WorshipInTruth I do have a video about Edmund Campion. As I said before, I've just finished a paper about this. You're mind is obviously made up, so I don't expect to persuade you to my opinion, but I still feel, after all the research that I've done, that most Catholics executed by Elizabeth and James were sincerely doing what they believed was best for the people of England, and were more interested in saving souls than killing queens.
@canadarox14 You are right that the average catholic and priest were certainly concerned with "saving souls" but the problem lies in the fact that catholics believed that every person needs to be submitted to the temporal (political) and spiritual authority of the pope to be saved. This made every catholic subversive towards protestant monarchy. So ultimately the problems all go back to papist doctrine and dogma.
@WorshipInTruth, that's false. Catholic Emperor Charles rebelled against the pope's temporal power: german and spanish soldiers invaded Rome in 1527. Nevertheless we remain Catholics.
@MrCorocotta There have been MANY times where even fanatically catholic rulers have resented the papacy's constant intrusion into their temporal power. But it was protestants who first truely broke the popes temporal power over much Europe. This is because to truely injure the pope's political power you must first break his alleged spiritual power.
@WorshipInTruth It's difficult to find a true spiritual reason for the Protestant Reform. Honestly, I do not consider Henry VIII or his daughter individuals with a deep spirituality. Neither the German princes who supported Luther as an excuse to rebel against their emperor.
@MrCorocotta Difficult to find spiritual reason for the Reformation?? Are you kidding me? The whole thing was about religion and proper worship. Among the many reasons they broke from Rome was that Rome dared to deny the wine to the lay people during the Lords Supper. The reformers were all deeply religious people, before the reformation the vast majority of them were monks and priests.
@MrCorocotta You catholics always bring up Henry VIII not knowing that protestants abhor him. He is labeled a criminal in every protestant history. He murdered the faithful Anne Boelyn who is considered a protestant martyr. Henry VIII, always remained a papist at heart, he did not break from Rome for spiritual reasons but because the pope would not annul his marriages. Elizabeth was a God fearing woman, she took after her mother Anne Boelyn, not her father.
@MrCorocotta Everything about the Elizabethian government was God based. The Spainish were WICKED. The "Black Legend" is absolutely true. They were known for being sadistic and brutal. Spain was a country of luciferian marranos, moorish magic and superstition of every kind, if Spain conquered England it would have brought the inquisition with it. No honest historian who is not blinded with a papist bias would even begin to compare the glorious reign of Elizabeth to that murderer Phillip.
Your are amusingly biassed. Any serious historian knows that the black legend is false protestant crapaganda. Comments: 1) You admire the queen of a puppet monarchy financed by merchants and repulsive pirates (some become "sirs" !). 2) Under Elizabeth's reign there was more people killed than under the Spanish, Roman and Portuguese Inquisition together along their entire history. It seems that neither catholics nor the brave Irish people felt comfortable with the such queen.
2) You may think that a queen who established covert agreements with the Turks while the Ottoman Empire threatened Europe, or that provided weapons to the Barbary pirates who killed and slaved christians around the Mediterranean coast was 'God based'. Good for you, lol.
Many other people think that Elizabethan England cannot be compared with Spain. Thanks to king Philip II and other spanish kings the muslims were contained. British, on the contrary supported them. A great honour, lol!
@MrCorocotta Elizabeth was very tolerant of catholics. She did all she could to protect the catholics from certain of her cabinet members who wanted them expelled completely. Her toleration was pushed to the limit and eventually broken because of the various plots against her life and throne which were carried out by Jesuit priests and their coadjutors. Catholic priests were RIGHTFULLY viewed as agents of a foreign government (Spain and the Vatican).
@MrCorocotta Typically catholic apologist completely white washing the horrors of the inquisition. What about the many crusades which were waged against the proto-protestants, eastern catholics etc.? Do you realize that 50,000 protestants were slaughtered in ONE DAY at the hands of that medici witch being advised by a Jesuit? I am speaking of the infamous "St. Bartholomew's Day massacre". This genocide was much celebrated by the pope.
@WorshipInTruth You´re incredibly biased.MrCocorotta is absolutely right.Elizabeth killed more people in just a few years than all the inquisitions did together along their 350 years of history.Only 3000 people were killed by the spanish inquisition along its history,wich means 10 per year.I recommend u the british documentary of the BBC "The Myth of the spanish inquisition"-
@iwonderw First of all, catholic apologists completely lie about the numbers killed by the inquisition. I do not agree with some historians who argue that those killed in the inquisition were in the hundreds of millions but I also do not agree with you biased catholic apologists who say it was only a few thousand. I believe the truth is somewhere in the middle.
@WorshipInTruth First of u still believe in the Black Legend when they´re just myths and all serious historical studies in the 20th Century have debunked these myths, though they continue to persist in popular imagination.
The number executed during the nearly 350 of the Spanish inquisition is approximately the same as the number of Catholic martyred in England during the reigns of just two monarchs, Henry VIII and Elizabeth I.
@iwonderw The "Black Legend" is truth. The Spanish committed genocide everywhere their excessive empire touched. Just look at the brutuality of the inqusition, the actions of the conquistadors, Spanish genocide in the netherlands and elsewhere.
@WorshipInTruth My point is that you [especially as an English speaker] should be thanking and praising God that he destroyed that imperialistic armada which was hell bent on bringing war to England.
The "Black Legend" is not just propaganda which was perpetuated by English protestants but was well known amongst catholics of other countries. In Italy the Italian priests spoke against the seditious cabal of spanish criminals who were taking over Rome and the papacy, it is from this group which we get the jesuit order. It is from this crime syndicate which we get the spanish secret society the Garunda which spawned the Camorra, La Costra Nostra, Ndrangheta and other "italian" mobs.
@iwonderw Catholic priests such as Antonio de Montesinos, Bartolomé de las Casas and others spoke openly about the sadistic atrocities of the spanish imperialists against the indigenous peoples of the Americas. These eye witnesses reported that the conquistadors seemed to have great pleasure in brutally torturing and murdering thousands of natives. The white spainards were actually raping the native women to such an extent that it literally created a new race of people [modern latinos].
@WorshipInTruth Latinos the result of rape...? I think you want to deny an obvious fact: Spanish colonies integrated native and European elements. British colonies in the newly discovered lands cloned the metropolis: it was the result of the strong Anglo-Saxon racism. Wherever the British settled, natives were massacred or had to flee. As an example, Australian natives were considered animals or an anthropological curiosity. They got civil rights very recently only (60's).
@MrCorocotta Laugh, there were different intentions between the Spanish conquistadors and the British colonists. The Spanish wanted to conquer and control the indigenous peoples, the American colonists merely wanted to live seperate from them and free from indian attack, they wanted room to create their new societies.
@MrCorocotta The Spanish destroyed great indigenous empires (Incas, Mayans etc) the equivalent of which never existed in North America. The spanish conquistadors were 10 times more cruel than the other European colonists, they laughed and ate while they tortured the indians, fed them to dogs etc.
@WorshipInTruth False. A limited number of Spanish couldn't do that. Native allies of the Spanish, formerly subject to those great empires, were those that were destroyed them. Read chronicles of the conquistadores.
@MrCorocotta Much of the "Black Legend" revolved around European anger over Spanish and portuguese treatment of the natives. The Jesuits, for example, were kicked out Spain and other countries and eventually suppressed by the papacy when it was discovered that they were utterly and completely turning the natives into mind controlled slaves on their "paraguay reductions".
@iwonderw The spanish of that time were a particularly and uniquely cruel people. The warfare between catholic crusader orders and the muslims which occured for so long in Spain bred a people whose culture was based on warfare and the shedding of blood. Cultural and racial influences from the east (jewish and islamic mysticism), which were a result of the muslim invasion [along with the preceeding conflict], created a strange, superstitious and blood thirsty society.
@WorshipInTruth Like i said it´s wrong to demonize one reign and idealize another,because like has been proved she killed many more people than all the inquisitions did together and cowardly sent her pirates against Spain during decades without openly declaring the war.Both did right and wrong things like did other rulers at that time, we can´t judge past events with the present perspective because it would be more than unfair
@iwonderw Know this, there is usually at least a little bit of truth to every legend and the "Black Legend" is not exempt from this rule. Those people had not Christ, they had false babylonian religion. Hail Mary's, praying on the rosary, bowing down to statues of Mary, claiming to see strange visions, taking the eucharist fives times a week and having a fanatical hatred of "heretics" does NOT make you a Christian. Those people needed to be born again.
@WorshipInTruth besides u have to take into account that Philip was the ruler of the world superpower and Elizabeth not, what means this? well this is like to say, who is causing more wars,pain and suffering to our modern world,USA or let´s say Norway?, obviously the world superpower ,USA is the most powerful but also the most hated.
@WorshipInTruth .Also, it was these two from whom we get much of the popular history of the Inquisition.
The popular, but erroneous belief that the Spanish inquisition killed tens or hundreds of thousands of people.They were at war with Spain and the Catholic Church; they needed to vilify their enemies in the eyes of the English people. On the contrary, the inquisition kept meticulous records.
@WorshipInTruth These records were opened a number of years ago and have been scrutinized by historians non-catholics and have concluded, based on these and other non-Church records it´s a fact that the inquisition killed between 3000 and 4000 people in 350 years of history.The rest of Europe had its own inquisitions, the only difference is that in Spain it was regulated and u could not be executed massively and without a trial, unlike happened in other countries.
@iwonderw It is a historical fact that the inquisition terrified people across Europe for hundreds of years. The inquisitors had a vast international spy network across Europe and even devout catholics resented them. It is impossible to truely know how many fell victim to the awful tortures of the inquisition as they were carried out in secret in hidden dungeons.
@WorshipInTruth The episcopal courts were the primary mechanism for the persecution of heresy.The inquisition was a political weapon and in all the countries u can see the collaboration between the Church and the state in order to control subversive social ideas.There were numerous inquisitions, all established for different reasons, all having different durations, and all of them were completely separate from criminal and civil courts in their respective countries.
@WorshipInTruth Inquisition processes, as in any trial, were attended by notaries who recorded in writting what happened there. These records were then stored in files.
@MrCorocotta The inquisition did take meticulous records, just like the Germans during the nazi's regime and we do not even know the true extent of the holocaust nor all the names and that was only roughly 65 years ago. This inspite of all the official nazi records we have regarding their policies. So basically your point is nonsensical. There is no conclusive proof of the exact scope of the inquisition or the numbers charged.
@MrCorocotta That is why historians look at the historical records and than make an educated GUESS. If there was conclusive proof beyond reasonable doubt the high level of speculation would not be tolerated. I thought this conversation has gone far beyond bickering about the specifics of the inquisition but I guess not. The inquisition is a historical fact inspite of your denial.
I never denied the Inquisition. But you put into doubt the results of professional historians (E. Phelps is not one of them) who have devoted much time to study the issue.
Conclusive proofs in history are exceptional.That does not mean it is acceptable to twist the results to ridiculous limits just to justify prejudices of departure.
@iwonderw Even as late as the 18th century there are stories of invading soldiers finding horrifying torture chambers in use under catholic monasteries. Just the sight of it was enough to traumatize hardened soldiers.
@iwonderw The spanish inquisition was bad enough that it ethnically cleansed spain of all its jews and moors and no protestant dared step foot in Spain. Every jew had to either become a marrano (crypto-jew) or had to flee Spain. This is PROVEN HISTORY WHICH YOU WHITEWASH.
@iwonderw The catholic church is currently in the process of revising the history regarding the inquisition. Do not fall for it. Who runs the BBC which produced that documentary? The Director-General of the BBC (labeled one of the most powerful men in the world) is Roman Catholic Jesuit trained Mark Thompson.
@MrCorocotta Do you realize that at the time of Elizabeth's reign Philips government was committing mass genocide against the protestants of the netherlands via the wicked Duke of Alba and his "Council of Blood". The protestants of England were NOT going to let the same thing happen on their island and they were well aware that the Latins constantly plotted their destruction and overthrow as clearly evidenced by history.
@MrCorocotta Perhaps you have never heard of the mass genocide of Irish protestants (inspired by caholic priests) which was the incident which resulted in Cromwells invasion of Ireland. How come you papists never mention that? Remember... what goes around comes around. Cromwell allowed the jews in England. In the protestant netherlands spanish jews were given a safe haven, it was known as the "New Jerusalem" by the jews.
@WorshipInTruth Certainly what goes around usually comes around.
The Irish rebellion was not inspired by Catholic priests. It seems Irish people found sufficient grounds in the expropriation of land and the encroachment of English settlers.
@MrCorocotta I am not talking about the "Irish rebellion", I am talking about the massacre of protestants in Ireland which most certainly WAS inspired by the jesuit priests, this according to several histories on the subject. They directed their congregations to bash babies heads on the walls etc.
@MrCorocotta Also, you seem to be forgetting that the Irish were hosting the English royalists at the time, in fact, most the people killed at drogheda were in fact English royalists. The Catholic Confederacy was in an alliance with the English Royalists, thats right, the irish catholics were fighting against the paramilitarians on behalf of the English crown.
@MrCorocotta I will refute the often repeated statement that Cromwell sacrificed 3,000 people in the siege of Drogheda. This is a gross misrepresentation of what occurred at Drogheda, where the Parliamentary Army was repulsed at the first breach of the walls with some loss, and the second assault through the breach (opened by cannon fire) was led in person by Cromwell.
The armed enemy in the town had been given an opportunity to surrender, and had declined. At that period, the rules of engagement considered the lives of all such armed men in a town that refused quarter to be forfeit. Many were put to death in the general havoc; particularly a group that went up into a tower and refused to come down. continued...
@MrCorocotta The tower was set on fire; one man, who jumped from a window at a great height broke his leg in the landing. Cromwell ordered him to be left unmolested as it was Gods manifest will that the man live. However, all identified friars, and Jesuits in the town were put to death. PRAISE BE TO GOD.
@WorshipInTruth I'm not interested in your idolatrous beliefs about a nationalist, bloodthirsty, small 'god'. Nor in those of puritans like Cromwell who considered themselves instruments of such god and rejoiced after the Drogheda massacre in the 'righteous judgement of god upon these barbarous wretches.'
It's perturbing discovering that such kind of sick mentality is still alive more than 300 years later.
@MrCorocotta Belief in God is a sick mentality? Than I feel sorry for you. If the YHWH of the Bible is not the true God than who is?? You did not finish that quote from Cromwell, the full statement goes something like this.. "the righteous judgement of God on these barbarous wretches, WHO HAVE IMBUED THEIR HANDS WITH SO MUCH INNOCENT BLOOD". Thats right, what goes around comes around, those royalists soldiers and jesuit priests at drogheda reaped what they sowed. PRAISE GOD.
"Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;" - 2nd Thessalonians 1:6-9
@MrCorocotta Does God not oftentimes use men to carry out his judgement? Will we not someday judge even angels? It is the role of men to do the will of God. If only God can judge than why does the pope claim to take that power upon himself?
@MrCorocotta If you study the history closely you will see that Cromwell never murdered anybody. He was a soldier. Some of his generals murdered behind his back only AFTER Cromwell left the island and several soldiers had been guilty of pillaging and murdering civilians so Cromwell PERSONALLY saw to the execution of the offenders.
@MrCorocotta If you think that an act of war automatically translates to murder than what in the name of Christ are you doing defending Philip II and 16th century Spain?
The point is that King Philip didn't consider himself God's avenging hand (as Cromwell). Neither was he like the ridiculous character shown in the film, nor queen Elisebeth was a saint. Things maybe simple in films, but not in real life.
Philip planned the invasion of England to cut the british support to dutch rebellions and to stop pirate attacks cowardly consented by Queen Elizabeth.
Philip acted as king, not as a madman who thinks he is illuminated by God.
@MrCorocotta Elizabeth was a saint. One thing you catholics do not understand is that every saved born again Bible believer is a SAINT of the Most High and every man of Christian faith a priest with Jesus Christ as our High Priest forever in the order of Melchizedek. Elizabeth was chaste virgin with a deep faith in God and committment to the protestant religion. This is something which the film fails to show.
@MrCorocotta You apparently understand nothing of Philip. He firmly believed that God was on his side as did Cromwell. Just look at how biased you are, you attack Elizabeth and Cromwell for asserting their dominion over the isle of Eire, the same dominion which England ALWAYS had under catholic monarchs since the time pope Adrian IV deeded Ireland to the English king yet you completely support Philips bloody reign over the protestant people of netherlands half a continent away.
@MrCorocotta It is obvious that you believe protestants have no right to government yet, in your eyes, catholic monarchs are completely justified in their oppressive counter-reformation empire building. Your hypocritical double standard is easy to detect. At least I admitt my desire to see the temporal power of the pope and popish leaders broken, why will you not admitt that your agenda is to see the destruction of us "heretic" protestants?
@WorshipInTruth I'm sorry - Philip was an oppressive tyrant and Elizabeth a good Queen? That opinion shifts, you know? Philip was perhaps the best monarch Spain has ever had since their Catholic Kings (Isabella and Fernando). I speak for it when it comes to Portugal - Philip guaranteed the freedoms of Portugal were absolutely respected. Unfortunately, his son and his grandson did not respect his vision. But both monarchs had their part in religious wars. Elizabeth was no saint, nor was Philip.
@WorshipInTruth And don't get me wrong. My beliefs drift from those of the Spanish. British have proven to be Portugal's greatest ally in history. But you have to agree, while Catholic countries such as Portugal and Spain had the Inquisition to purge the so-called heretics, England had the Catholics, that did not wish to convert to the new faith, the "pleasure" of loosing their heads. Thomas Moore, a fine example. He lost his head for his ideals, but always loved the king. "But God's first."
@WorshipInTruth When will you British learn that your Church was created upon political issues? The disguise of the abbuses of the Catholic Church (although a noble fight) in order to form a new Church, is simply idiotic. It was only because your king could not divorce from the rightful Queen of the English, Catherine. What you English should have done was to provoke some kind of revolution inside the Catholic Church in order to bring stronger moral values to the Pope and his cardinals.
@WorshipInTruth And let me tell you, I've been reading several books about Philip, and he is not like he is depicted in this movie. He looks like a fanatical weakling. Which he was not. He was a ferverent Catholic? Yes. But he was very intelligent, and was almost always occupied with state affairs. In this movie he's always inside a church (and I know he loved El Escorial) but come on, he was always wondering around: Toledo, Salamanca, El Escorial, Burgos...
@MrCorocotta very well stated. The reason why throughout the last (almost) 200 years the British have been seen as the "good" guys lol is because they came out victorious against Napoleon to specific the battle of Waterloo. I am Spanish American and through the research I have done I do not believe in the Black Legend it was an Anglo Saxon propaganda to destroy the Spanish credibility (The Spanish never had colonies they had viceroyalties that other Europeans envied V-Royalties superior than).
@DogManakaElCid, thanks. Even the false Black Legend is a joke compared with real facts about the British Empire: Spreading smallpox on purpose by means of infected blankets given to native americans, the great famines in India that killed around 50 million people (not in the XVI c., but in the XIX-XX c.!) while british kept on importing indian cereals, eugenesic (=nazi) ideology to justify british supremacy, the source of nowdays conflicts in the Middle East, etc...
@MrCorocotta - This movie has shown many inaccuracies; however, the Spanish were in total belief of God's providence on them. Seriously, like, that was the Spanish way. "God, Gold, and Glory."
"It is impiety, and almost blasphemy to presume to know the will of God. It comes from the sin of pride, Even kings, Brother Nicholas, must submit to being used by God's will without knowing what it is. They must never seek to use it."
Philip II of Spain if this a fanatical man words then we have lost all reason
@MrCorocotta But he was part of the Inquisition. You can't deny the Religiousness of the situation, specially in those times. Religion was as powerful as monarchy; maybe even more so.
@torysama, More people were put to death under the reign of Elizabeth I that under the sum of the Spanish, Roman and Portuguese inquisitions throughout history. In this sense, Elizabeth designed a Protestant inquisition which was way more violent than its Catholic counterpart. These are the real facts that this kind of films try to hide.
@MrCorocotta Oh please. Hundreds of thousands have died fin the name of these Religious Crusaders, namely Catholic, than under the reign of ANY British ruler. Fact is, people are still dying TODAY in the name of the Pope of in Rome. That's something the media has been hiding for YEARS. Besides, where do your alligiances lie? With the Monarchy or the Pope? T__T"
@torysama, could you be more explicit, please...? Btw, the king Richard I of England gave up his amorous escapades with his cousin Philip to participate in the Third Crusade...
@torysama So typical. Is presented with fact that debunks the protestant 'We are saints Spain and its inquisition is evil' thought, and turns to conspiracy theories to try and justify it.
@assasincomedy "So typical. Is presented with fact that debunks the protestant 'We are saints Spain and its inquisition is evil' thought, and turns to conspiracy theories to try and justify it." Um... what?
@MrCorocotta Your hippie yuppie wimpy catholic image of Jesus [backed up by his domineering mother false Mary] is not the true Christ Yeshua of the Bible.
I am not here to tell you the good news about Jesus returning, I am trying to WARN you about the fact of his imminent return. The pope should be shaking in his faggy red slippers
@MrCorocotta Of course catholics did not feel comfortable with a protestant crown but what is your point? Do you think the protestants felt comfortable being ruled by a catholic tyrant like Bloody Mary, Phillip, Charles or any of the other infamous papist totalitarians of that time?
@WorshipInTruth Which btw was one of the first institutions in Europe to rule against the death penalty for supposed witches meanwhile Elizabeth I was making the statute against witchcraft and many innocents called the elizabethan witches were executed.
@MrCorocotta part 2. I have to tell you this is another great comment!! But back to the subject France, Specially Britain envied what the Spanish accomplished in fact if it weren't for the "privaters" and the gold/etc they were STEALING they wouldn't have had the funds to build their Empire!! Its good to see people who know the other story....
@DogManakaElCid, those days England was a terrorist state, similar to nowdays Syria: Not only supported ottoman and berberian pirates, but its national heros are pirates. The epitomy of cowardice is 'Sir' Francis Drake: he liked the raids on undefended towns, or fly away when was in troubles (San Juan de Ulúa) leaving his companions to their fate. He commanded the disastrous english Armada at the battle of La Coruña, where a civil militia leadered by a woman defeated the english scum.
2) You may think that a queen who established covert agreements with Turks while the Ottomans threatened Europe, or that provided weapons to the Barbary pirates who killed and slaved christians around the Mediterranean was 'God based'. Good for you, lol.
Many other people think that Elizabethan England cannot be compared with Spain. Thanks to king Philip II and other spanish kings the muslims were contained. British, on the contrary supported them. A great honour, lol!
@MrCorocotta Roman Emperor Charles was a man-devil who brought misery and fear to protestants across Europe. Phillip of Spain was also a walking man-devil. Phillip was actually closer to the murderous counter-reformation Jesuits than was the pope. After Phillip lost the armada, pope Sixtus V went back on his promise of financial support for Spain and actually threw support to Elizabeth (Sixtus V admired Elizabeth and admitted that he wished he could marry her).
@MrCorocotta I believe that Phillip had Sixtus V assassinated for this and replaced with a more complacent pope [Phillip would see 5 popes come and go during his reign]. Sixtus V also tried to curb the growing influence of the Jesuits which also would have been his death warrant.
@MrCorocotta At times the "Society of Jesus" have had to murder, assassinate or humble various and numerous popes who were not fully going along with the jesuits counter-reformation agenda.
@MrCorocotta There are many examples. Probably the most obvious is the murder of pope Clement XIV. Clement XIV [Ganganelli] abolished the Jesuit Order entirely in 1773 and died shortly thereafter. Before he passed he even blamed it on the Jesuits. Like many other popes he had been poisoned, tasted the "Cup of Borgia" as it was called.
@MrCorocotta Catholics were allowed to exist in England and were allowed to practice their religion and their ridiculous blasphemy of the Lords Supper as long as they did not harbor priests (foreign agents). Do you think ANY protestants were allowed to live in Philips Spain? Anybody even suspected of non-catholicism was tried before a kangaroo court than cruelly murdered.
@WorshipInTruth In fact was a spanish inquisitor called Salazar Frias who proved that witchcraft was a nonsense and because of him,Spain and the rest of catholic countries forbidden this kind of executions while in the rest of the protestant countries the executions for this stupidity kept during 100 years more.Thousands and thousands of innocents were killed for this reason in the protestant countries,specially in Germany,England and Scotland.
This movie is filled with the myth of the Black Legend of Spain's alleged terror. So historically inaccurate. Also, Elizabeth's victory at the Battle of Gravelines was not as monumental as it was portrayed to be in the film.
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Se ha presentado a un rey y a unos echos que no corresponden para nada con la realidad
SanMartinUT 6 months ago
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SanMartinUT 6 months ago
@PrincessAprilAnn I thought royal bloodlines were the heirs of the Roman Patricians. Any way, it must be a kick (great) to be born with a family with a history of military prowess and power.
Blueshark905 11 months ago
Why is it that everything turns into a fucking debate on youtube?! Just pull your dicks out and measure them already. IT'S NOTA DOCUMENTARY IT'S A FUCKING MOVIE FROM HOLLYWOOD. OF COURSE IT ISN'T BULLET PROOF IN ITS PORTRAYAL OF TIMES PAST. For fuck's sake!
cizzam21 1 year ago
have you notice that the spanish are always in dark settings
and in england its all this light going on there in the movie
super bias film man
Valle535 1 year ago 4
Calling a virgin queen a whore. Is that the best they could do in those days?
Mia646 1 year ago 3
This song might not be the best of the album, but it really sets the mood of danger and how this king is powerful.
zahnmimres 1 year ago
the Philippines was named after Him..King Philip II of Spain
mrcruz9001 1 year ago 26
after all the Philippines, my beloved country was name after King Phillip II of Spain by Spanish Conquistador Miguel Lopez de Legaspi..
mrcruz9001 1 year ago 3
HAHA! I CANT BELIEVE PEOPLE still argue OVER THIS STUFF!
hatefullll 1 year ago
POR DIOS , EL REY Y POR EL IMPERIO ESPAÑOL, MALDITOS PIRATAS INGLESES, ALGUN DIA LA HISPANIDAD SE LEVANTARA Y ARRASARA CON LOS CERDOS ANGLO-SAJONES {uk,usa}
gueropalma1990 1 year ago
the composer of this piece of music from the movie is the same guy who made that song ''jai ho'' from slumdog millionnaire
ahenmaxtae 1 year ago
Lets just say that the music for Philip on this soundtrack is dark and brooding for a reason.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
I'm Irish Half Spanish and Proud to be,Long Live The Spanish Empire,VIVA ESPANA
MrIRISHCHE 1 year ago 11
The best king of Spain,every time i see the Escorial i realize the greatness of his empire, though my favorite is still Isabel the catholic.
And Jordi Molla is an excellent actor,hope to see him in many more movies to come! :)
Sara0ss 1 year ago 24
Ah yes, that's the king who "also" bankrupted spain..lol.
nickfl1980 2 years ago
I have to Say Elizabeth was my favorite woman in History because she stood her ground for what she believed in and she still did not give up even when she seen the Spanish Armada coming she still held it togather
Joeyal123 2 years ago
@Joeyal123 so if your mother and queen elizabeth is trap on a hill and they're going to fall, which will you save?(can only choose one)
PotterSuccess 2 years ago
probably the queen becase if i did not i would be charged with treason
Joeyal123 2 years ago
@Joeyal123 if i was your mother and i saw this, i will kick you out of the house. Even the favourite character was on the hill, treason or not i'll save my mother.
PotterSuccess 2 years ago
to be honest with i dont know what i would do in that situation
Joeyal123 2 years ago
@Joeyal123 maybe its better to have all three of us dead. jk
PotterSuccess 2 years ago
en España los reyes han sido siempre más absolutistas que en Inglaterra y más dictatoriales, costumbres que se prolongan hasta nuestros días, con una monarquía que se parece más a la de un país en dictadura que a la de un país con una democracia arraigada. la actual monarquia española no podría soportar ni una década de vida con el escrutinio y el nivel de crítica y burla al que se somete a la monarquía británica.
egllanderas 2 years ago
mga gago
BaronBanahaw 2 years ago
eso qué significa????
egllanderas 2 years ago
hah mga spanyol ay gago
BaronBanahaw 2 years ago
Even though he lost the armada, he was still one of Spain's greatest kings
blu994 2 years ago 20
Elizabeth was by far better than all the rest of the monarchs.
platonian13 2 years ago
you forgot about Tzar Peter "the Great" and Ludovic "the Sun" :P
tudoryka79 2 years ago
Are you kidding blue? He was one of the most murderous tyrants of all of world history. Don't you know what he was doing in the netherlands and in other protestant lands? Is killing protestants what makes somebody a "great king" in your eyes? He was a wicked sinner. He intensified the mass inquisiton against jews, protestants and muslims. He was your typical inbred elitest royalty. He had his own close relatives executed if they tried to trust in the Bible.
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
He was a complete tool of the Jesuits and demanded that nobody write anything about him and all writings about him be burned so that history would never understand the full extent of his crimes. It is because of him that the "Black Legend" started. He was a power hungry tyrant and a slave to the pope. He does not even compare to the Virgin Queen. Compared to Elizabeth he looks like the devil himself.
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
He sent assassins to kill every protestant ruler and waged war against what was Europes only two moderate and benign leaders- Elizabeth and Henry IV of France. Of course Henry IV was eventually assassinated by the fanatical jesuit François Ravaillac. Philip II also made the same mistake as every large empire. He over streached his forces and left Spain broke in the process. The people loved Elizabeth I but feared Philip.
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
Damn, you are a right on the money. It's so true. Awesome that you know about the Jesuits. Rotten evil basterds. Talk about working behind the scenes, and you know, as that saying goes, all roads lead to Rome.
MissHollywood23 2 years ago
No true student of history is unaware of the machinations of the so called "Society of Jesus".
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
Exactly right, but unfortunately, most "students of history" aren't truly aware of people like you and me aware of. Of course, it can take time to get up to that highest of level as a student of history regarding the truth. The Jesuits & Co. have their dirty agents like Alex Jones, Ron Paul, those Watson guys w ho work with Jones, Michael Tsar etc. fooling people.
MissHollywood23 2 years ago
I am not sure if Jones and then are necessarily "agents" of the jesuits or anybody.
The problem with Alex Jones is that he has dreams of going mainstream, that is why he follows the whole "political correctness" thing and will only speak of shadowy "elites" and globalists instead of pin pointing exactly who they are.
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
Alex Jones knows he will never go mainstream if he talks about catholicism or the jews. He fears being called a bigot (the modern day equivalent of a "heretic") and for that he is a coward.
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
Jones is also too busy chasing "bilderbergs" to stop and see what is right in front of him.
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
Guys like Jons know what is truly in front of them, but the problem is that you won't actually ever hear them talk about it.... seriously. When they actually do bring up th Jesuits, Rome/Vatican, the Knights of Malta (SMOM), no doubt they are quick to dismiss such talk of the true controllers. All you hear them talk when it comes to powerful familis i the Rockefellers, Rothschilds, DuPonts for example, but will mock & not talk about the truly more powerful families-the Papal Bloodlines.
MissHollywood23 2 years ago
Jones also knows that if he begins to focus on the papacy that he will not be able to get papal knights like Pat Buchanan or Alan Keyes to appear on his show anymore.
WorshipInTruth 2 years ago
And, as you already know, it's not their job to talk about it. Alex Jones has, in fact, been on mainstream networks. Hey, I don't if you know about the site Th Unhived Mind II, but it is the place to be. Please join. I'm going to give you the link via message, as this comment that I've been trying to post is notshowing up.
MissHollywood23 2 years ago
@WorshipInTruth: It's true that life under king Philip was no picnic, but Elizabeth was a full fledged dictator who manipulated her subjects through propaganda and secret police. It's easy to glamorize her when we watch movies like this one, but I wouldn't want to live in Elizabethan England. Just thought I'd point that out. The soundtrack for this movie is awesome, though. I love it.
canadarox14 1 year ago
@canadarox14 Are you kidding? Philip was 20 times more authoritarian and cruel than Elizabeth. Have you ever heard of the inqusition? That is what was going on in Philips Spain, no inquisition in England. The people of England had never of had as much political liberty as they had under Elizabeth.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@canadarox14
Elizabeth had numerous priests and catholics working for her destruction. She was surrounded by enemies and possible assassins, Philip's life was never in danger from protestant assassins as Elizabeth's was by catholic-jesuit assassins. Elizabeth asserted that she did not want to rule over anybodies conscience (unlike philip and the pope who believed they had that right) so she gave the catholics freedom of worship.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth I'm sorry, I don't want to start an argument, but I have to disagree. Elizabeth infringed a lot on freedom of religion. It was punishable by death to be a Catholic priest in England at the time, and this meant that the only way for Catholics to worship was by harboring priests and risking their lives. (For information about this, look of the Act of 1585.) The consequences were a lot like the Spanish Inquisition.
canadarox14 1 year ago
@canadarox14 You need to take it into historical context. When you figure out WHY no priests were allowed then you have the key. The Jesuits were in constant CONSPIRACY to kill Elizabeth and replace her with a papist tyrant. The marian persecutions were worse and directed at a larger pool of people. I see you have a video of Edmund Campion in your profile, that means the two of us will never be able to see eye to eye on this issue.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@canadarox14 Do you think ANY protestants were allowed to exist in Philips Spain? In England, catholics were allowed to practice their faith as long as they did not harbor priests who were rightfully viewed as agents of a hostile foreign power.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth You're entitled to your opinion, but I think you're taking a narrow view on a complex issue. It's unfair to say every Catholic thought a certain way when there were many Catholics in England and it's impossible to know how each of them thought. I feel that most of the Catholics who were killed in after the reformation were not a threat to the monarchy's security, and were punished for other's crimes.
canadarox14 1 year ago
@canadarox14 Were there some innocent catholics who were punished for other's crimes? Certainly.... but in this the jesuits did not repent regardless of how many innocent catholics they had to sacrifice for their cause of returning England to Rome. The more catholic martyrs the better for the pope. Don't you see??
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth Yes, if you look at it that way. I just wanted to establish the fact that many, in fact, most of the Catholics executed were not fanatical assassins, but simply devout Catholics. As far as Catholic martyrs being good for the pope, yes, every time a person is made a martyr it strengthens their cause. I need to go, but it's been nice talking to you. I'm sorry I'm so opinionated. I just love discussing these types of things.
canadarox14 1 year ago
@canadarox14 I enjoy debate with somebody such as yourself who is being respectful. I also love discussion of history, religion and politics. Do not apologize for being opinionated, it is a virtue as long as your opinions are based on truth.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@canadarox14 Many of those jesuits were literally brainwashed with fanaticism (modern day suicide terrorists) and WANTED to be captured and martyred to further the agenda. This is partially seen in a scene from Elizabeth: The Golden Age. My point is precisely that the court of Elizabeth was justified in executing jesuit priests. I of course oppose the idea of torture (for whatever reason) but the execution of dangerous lawbreakers is justifiable.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@canadarox14 This was not allowed to last because every catholic in England wanted her dead and refused to recognize her as the legitimate queen. Elizabethian England would have been the best place in the world to live at that time, unless of course you were a catholic conspirator in which case you had Walshingham on your arse.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@canadarox14 Your statement shows that you know nothing of the history. The secret police were absolutely necessary or else Elizabeth's reign wouldn't of lasted more than a week. So because she secured the love of her subjects you say she ruled through propaganda?? Elizabethian England was not full of secret torture chambers as was Philip's Spain, England had one, Spain had thousands.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth I actually do know a lot about this part of history. I just finished writing a paper about the Gunpowder Plot. It's true that there were Catholics who wanted Elizabeth and her successor James dead, but the English government used Catholics as a scapegoat by pinning all their problems on Catholic opposition. They were justified in enforcing laws that would protect themselves and their subjects, but not in torturing and killing people for their religious beliefs.
canadarox14 1 year ago
@canadarox14 The actions of Walshingham were perhaps a little extreme but it did save Elizabeth's life more than once. Also note that this is the 16th century we are talking about here, the world was just coming out of the medieval ages. Those catholics who were tortured were either jesuit priests themselves or suspected of being involved with individuals who were plotting against the throne.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth I know it was the 16th century, and things got ugly, but if we're using that as justification, than the Spanish Inquisition was just as justified as Queen Elizabeth. Thought I'd point that out.
canadarox14 1 year ago
@canadarox14 Those priests who were captured knew very well that they were banished from England and that they would likely be tortured and killed if they were caught, they could have taken refuge in Rome or any of the many other catholic nations but they decided to enter England because they were driven by a murderous fanaticism to return England to the yolk of Rome. They gave their lives not for Christ but to further the political ambitions of king Philip and the pope.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@canadarox14 Just look at what was going on in the Netherlands during Elizabeth's reign. The Duke of Alba (working on behalf of king philip) was committing mass genocide on protestants. The reign of the Duke of Alba is legendary for its harsh rule and cruelty. The protestants of England knew the same would come to England if a catholic monarch was restored. The 16th century jesuits were sort of the al-Qaeda terrorists of their era. Keep that in mind.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth I do have a video about Edmund Campion. As I said before, I've just finished a paper about this. You're mind is obviously made up, so I don't expect to persuade you to my opinion, but I still feel, after all the research that I've done, that most Catholics executed by Elizabeth and James were sincerely doing what they believed was best for the people of England, and were more interested in saving souls than killing queens.
canadarox14 1 year ago
@canadarox14 You are right that the average catholic and priest were certainly concerned with "saving souls" but the problem lies in the fact that catholics believed that every person needs to be submitted to the temporal (political) and spiritual authority of the pope to be saved. This made every catholic subversive towards protestant monarchy. So ultimately the problems all go back to papist doctrine and dogma.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth, that's false. Catholic Emperor Charles rebelled against the pope's temporal power: german and spanish soldiers invaded Rome in 1527. Nevertheless we remain Catholics.
MrCorocotta 1 year ago
@MrCorocotta There have been MANY times where even fanatically catholic rulers have resented the papacy's constant intrusion into their temporal power. But it was protestants who first truely broke the popes temporal power over much Europe. This is because to truely injure the pope's political power you must first break his alleged spiritual power.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth It's difficult to find a true spiritual reason for the Protestant Reform. Honestly, I do not consider Henry VIII or his daughter individuals with a deep spirituality. Neither the German princes who supported Luther as an excuse to rebel against their emperor.
MrCorocotta 1 year ago 5
@MrCorocotta Difficult to find spiritual reason for the Reformation?? Are you kidding me? The whole thing was about religion and proper worship. Among the many reasons they broke from Rome was that Rome dared to deny the wine to the lay people during the Lords Supper. The reformers were all deeply religious people, before the reformation the vast majority of them were monks and priests.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@MrCorocotta Those princes who supported Luther were risking their thrones in order to uphold the principles of the Bible.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@MrCorocotta You catholics always bring up Henry VIII not knowing that protestants abhor him. He is labeled a criminal in every protestant history. He murdered the faithful Anne Boelyn who is considered a protestant martyr. Henry VIII, always remained a papist at heart, he did not break from Rome for spiritual reasons but because the pope would not annul his marriages. Elizabeth was a God fearing woman, she took after her mother Anne Boelyn, not her father.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@MrCorocotta Everything about the Elizabethian government was God based. The Spainish were WICKED. The "Black Legend" is absolutely true. They were known for being sadistic and brutal. Spain was a country of luciferian marranos, moorish magic and superstition of every kind, if Spain conquered England it would have brought the inquisition with it. No honest historian who is not blinded with a papist bias would even begin to compare the glorious reign of Elizabeth to that murderer Phillip.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
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Your are amusingly biassed. Any serious historian knows that the black legend is false protestant crapaganda. Comments: 1) You admire the queen of a puppet monarchy financed by merchants and repulsive pirates (some become "sirs" !). 2) Under Elizabeth's reign there was more people killed than under the Spanish, Roman and Portuguese Inquisition together along their entire history. It seems that neither catholics nor the brave Irish people felt comfortable with the such queen.
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2) You may think that a queen who established covert agreements with the Turks while the Ottoman Empire threatened Europe, or that provided weapons to the Barbary pirates who killed and slaved christians around the Mediterranean coast was 'God based'. Good for you, lol.
Many other people think that Elizabethan England cannot be compared with Spain. Thanks to king Philip II and other spanish kings the muslims were contained. British, on the contrary supported them. A great honour, lol!
MrCorocotta 1 year ago 12
@MrCorocotta Elizabeth was very tolerant of catholics. She did all she could to protect the catholics from certain of her cabinet members who wanted them expelled completely. Her toleration was pushed to the limit and eventually broken because of the various plots against her life and throne which were carried out by Jesuit priests and their coadjutors. Catholic priests were RIGHTFULLY viewed as agents of a foreign government (Spain and the Vatican).
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@MrCorocotta Typically catholic apologist completely white washing the horrors of the inquisition. What about the many crusades which were waged against the proto-protestants, eastern catholics etc.? Do you realize that 50,000 protestants were slaughtered in ONE DAY at the hands of that medici witch being advised by a Jesuit? I am speaking of the infamous "St. Bartholomew's Day massacre". This genocide was much celebrated by the pope.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth You´re incredibly biased.MrCocorotta is absolutely right.Elizabeth killed more people in just a few years than all the inquisitions did together along their 350 years of history.Only 3000 people were killed by the spanish inquisition along its history,wich means 10 per year.I recommend u the british documentary of the BBC "The Myth of the spanish inquisition"-
iwonderw 1 year ago
@iwonderw First of all, catholic apologists completely lie about the numbers killed by the inquisition. I do not agree with some historians who argue that those killed in the inquisition were in the hundreds of millions but I also do not agree with you biased catholic apologists who say it was only a few thousand. I believe the truth is somewhere in the middle.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth First of u still believe in the Black Legend when they´re just myths and all serious historical studies in the 20th Century have debunked these myths, though they continue to persist in popular imagination.
The number executed during the nearly 350 of the Spanish inquisition is approximately the same as the number of Catholic martyred in England during the reigns of just two monarchs, Henry VIII and Elizabeth I.
iwonderw 1 year ago
@iwonderw The "Black Legend" is truth. The Spanish committed genocide everywhere their excessive empire touched. Just look at the brutuality of the inqusition, the actions of the conquistadors, Spanish genocide in the netherlands and elsewhere.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth My point is that you [especially as an English speaker] should be thanking and praising God that he destroyed that imperialistic armada which was hell bent on bringing war to England.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@iwonderw
The "Black Legend" is not just propaganda which was perpetuated by English protestants but was well known amongst catholics of other countries. In Italy the Italian priests spoke against the seditious cabal of spanish criminals who were taking over Rome and the papacy, it is from this group which we get the jesuit order. It is from this crime syndicate which we get the spanish secret society the Garunda which spawned the Camorra, La Costra Nostra, Ndrangheta and other "italian" mobs.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@iwonderw Catholic priests such as Antonio de Montesinos, Bartolomé de las Casas and others spoke openly about the sadistic atrocities of the spanish imperialists against the indigenous peoples of the Americas. These eye witnesses reported that the conquistadors seemed to have great pleasure in brutally torturing and murdering thousands of natives. The white spainards were actually raping the native women to such an extent that it literally created a new race of people [modern latinos].
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth Latinos the result of rape...? I think you want to deny an obvious fact: Spanish colonies integrated native and European elements. British colonies in the newly discovered lands cloned the metropolis: it was the result of the strong Anglo-Saxon racism. Wherever the British settled, natives were massacred or had to flee. As an example, Australian natives were considered animals or an anthropological curiosity. They got civil rights very recently only (60's).
MrCorocotta 1 year ago
@MrCorocotta Laugh, there were different intentions between the Spanish conquistadors and the British colonists. The Spanish wanted to conquer and control the indigenous peoples, the American colonists merely wanted to live seperate from them and free from indian attack, they wanted room to create their new societies.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@MrCorocotta The Spanish destroyed great indigenous empires (Incas, Mayans etc) the equivalent of which never existed in North America. The spanish conquistadors were 10 times more cruel than the other European colonists, they laughed and ate while they tortured the indians, fed them to dogs etc.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth False. A limited number of Spanish couldn't do that. Native allies of the Spanish, formerly subject to those great empires, were those that were destroyed them. Read chronicles of the conquistadores.
MrCorocotta 1 year ago
@MrCorocotta Much of the "Black Legend" revolved around European anger over Spanish and portuguese treatment of the natives. The Jesuits, for example, were kicked out Spain and other countries and eventually suppressed by the papacy when it was discovered that they were utterly and completely turning the natives into mind controlled slaves on their "paraguay reductions".
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@iwonderw The spanish of that time were a particularly and uniquely cruel people. The warfare between catholic crusader orders and the muslims which occured for so long in Spain bred a people whose culture was based on warfare and the shedding of blood. Cultural and racial influences from the east (jewish and islamic mysticism), which were a result of the muslim invasion [along with the preceeding conflict], created a strange, superstitious and blood thirsty society.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth Like i said it´s wrong to demonize one reign and idealize another,because like has been proved she killed many more people than all the inquisitions did together and cowardly sent her pirates against Spain during decades without openly declaring the war.Both did right and wrong things like did other rulers at that time, we can´t judge past events with the present perspective because it would be more than unfair
iwonderw 1 year ago
@iwonderw Know this, there is usually at least a little bit of truth to every legend and the "Black Legend" is not exempt from this rule. Those people had not Christ, they had false babylonian religion. Hail Mary's, praying on the rosary, bowing down to statues of Mary, claiming to see strange visions, taking the eucharist fives times a week and having a fanatical hatred of "heretics" does NOT make you a Christian. Those people needed to be born again.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth besides u have to take into account that Philip was the ruler of the world superpower and Elizabeth not, what means this? well this is like to say, who is causing more wars,pain and suffering to our modern world,USA or let´s say Norway?, obviously the world superpower ,USA is the most powerful but also the most hated.
iwonderw 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth .Also, it was these two from whom we get much of the popular history of the Inquisition.
The popular, but erroneous belief that the Spanish inquisition killed tens or hundreds of thousands of people.They were at war with Spain and the Catholic Church; they needed to vilify their enemies in the eyes of the English people. On the contrary, the inquisition kept meticulous records.
iwonderw 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth These records were opened a number of years ago and have been scrutinized by historians non-catholics and have concluded, based on these and other non-Church records it´s a fact that the inquisition killed between 3000 and 4000 people in 350 years of history.The rest of Europe had its own inquisitions, the only difference is that in Spain it was regulated and u could not be executed massively and without a trial, unlike happened in other countries.
iwonderw 1 year ago
@iwonderw It is a historical fact that the inquisition terrified people across Europe for hundreds of years. The inquisitors had a vast international spy network across Europe and even devout catholics resented them. It is impossible to truely know how many fell victim to the awful tortures of the inquisition as they were carried out in secret in hidden dungeons.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth The episcopal courts were the primary mechanism for the persecution of heresy.The inquisition was a political weapon and in all the countries u can see the collaboration between the Church and the state in order to control subversive social ideas.There were numerous inquisitions, all established for different reasons, all having different durations, and all of them were completely separate from criminal and civil courts in their respective countries.
iwonderw 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth Inquisition processes, as in any trial, were attended by notaries who recorded in writting what happened there. These records were then stored in files.
MrCorocotta 1 year ago
@MrCorocotta The inquisition did take meticulous records, just like the Germans during the nazi's regime and we do not even know the true extent of the holocaust nor all the names and that was only roughly 65 years ago. This inspite of all the official nazi records we have regarding their policies. So basically your point is nonsensical. There is no conclusive proof of the exact scope of the inquisition or the numbers charged.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@MrCorocotta That is why historians look at the historical records and than make an educated GUESS. If there was conclusive proof beyond reasonable doubt the high level of speculation would not be tolerated. I thought this conversation has gone far beyond bickering about the specifics of the inquisition but I guess not. The inquisition is a historical fact inspite of your denial.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth
I never denied the Inquisition. But you put into doubt the results of professional historians (E. Phelps is not one of them) who have devoted much time to study the issue.
Conclusive proofs in history are exceptional.That does not mean it is acceptable to twist the results to ridiculous limits just to justify prejudices of departure.
MrCorocotta 1 year ago
@iwonderw Even as late as the 18th century there are stories of invading soldiers finding horrifying torture chambers in use under catholic monasteries. Just the sight of it was enough to traumatize hardened soldiers.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@iwonderw The spanish inquisition was bad enough that it ethnically cleansed spain of all its jews and moors and no protestant dared step foot in Spain. Every jew had to either become a marrano (crypto-jew) or had to flee Spain. This is PROVEN HISTORY WHICH YOU WHITEWASH.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth Spain was the last European country where Jews were expelled. But it was not the only country to do so, right ...?
MrCorocotta 1 year ago
@iwonderw The catholic church is currently in the process of revising the history regarding the inquisition. Do not fall for it. Who runs the BBC which produced that documentary? The Director-General of the BBC (labeled one of the most powerful men in the world) is Roman Catholic Jesuit trained Mark Thompson.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@MrCorocotta Do you realize that at the time of Elizabeth's reign Philips government was committing mass genocide against the protestants of the netherlands via the wicked Duke of Alba and his "Council of Blood". The protestants of England were NOT going to let the same thing happen on their island and they were well aware that the Latins constantly plotted their destruction and overthrow as clearly evidenced by history.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth Cromwell and the genocide of Ireland, ringbell?
MrCorocotta 1 year ago
@MrCorocotta Perhaps you have never heard of the mass genocide of Irish protestants (inspired by caholic priests) which was the incident which resulted in Cromwells invasion of Ireland. How come you papists never mention that? Remember... what goes around comes around. Cromwell allowed the jews in England. In the protestant netherlands spanish jews were given a safe haven, it was known as the "New Jerusalem" by the jews.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth Certainly what goes around usually comes around.
The Irish rebellion was not inspired by Catholic priests. It seems Irish people found sufficient grounds in the expropriation of land and the encroachment of English settlers.
MrCorocotta 1 year ago
@MrCorocotta I am not talking about the "Irish rebellion", I am talking about the massacre of protestants in Ireland which most certainly WAS inspired by the jesuit priests, this according to several histories on the subject. They directed their congregations to bash babies heads on the walls etc.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@MrCorocotta Also, you seem to be forgetting that the Irish were hosting the English royalists at the time, in fact, most the people killed at drogheda were in fact English royalists. The Catholic Confederacy was in an alliance with the English Royalists, thats right, the irish catholics were fighting against the paramilitarians on behalf of the English crown.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@MrCorocotta I will refute the often repeated statement that Cromwell sacrificed 3,000 people in the siege of Drogheda. This is a gross misrepresentation of what occurred at Drogheda, where the Parliamentary Army was repulsed at the first breach of the walls with some loss, and the second assault through the breach (opened by cannon fire) was led in person by Cromwell.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
The armed enemy in the town had been given an opportunity to surrender, and had declined. At that period, the rules of engagement considered the lives of all such armed men in a town that refused quarter to be forfeit. Many were put to death in the general havoc; particularly a group that went up into a tower and refused to come down. continued...
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@MrCorocotta The tower was set on fire; one man, who jumped from a window at a great height broke his leg in the landing. Cromwell ordered him to be left unmolested as it was Gods manifest will that the man live. However, all identified friars, and Jesuits in the town were put to death. PRAISE BE TO GOD.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth I'm not interested in your idolatrous beliefs about a nationalist, bloodthirsty, small 'god'. Nor in those of puritans like Cromwell who considered themselves instruments of such god and rejoiced after the Drogheda massacre in the 'righteous judgement of god upon these barbarous wretches.'
It's perturbing discovering that such kind of sick mentality is still alive more than 300 years later.
May the true God have mercy on you.
MrCorocotta 1 year ago
@MrCorocotta Belief in God is a sick mentality? Than I feel sorry for you. If the YHWH of the Bible is not the true God than who is?? You did not finish that quote from Cromwell, the full statement goes something like this.. "the righteous judgement of God on these barbarous wretches, WHO HAVE IMBUED THEIR HANDS WITH SO MUCH INNOCENT BLOOD". Thats right, what goes around comes around, those royalists soldiers and jesuit priests at drogheda reaped what they sowed. PRAISE GOD.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth
The God that you mention has nothing to do with Jesus Christ. Rather, with revenge, hate and bigotry. So sorry for you.
MrCorocotta 1 year ago
"Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;" - 2nd Thessalonians 1:6-9
AMEN!
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth
Typical mentality of prote$tant bigots who twist scripture in their own benefit. No men, only God can judge.
MrCorocotta 1 year ago
@MrCorocotta Does God not oftentimes use men to carry out his judgement? Will we not someday judge even angels? It is the role of men to do the will of God. If only God can judge than why does the pope claim to take that power upon himself?
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth
Do you suggest that Cromwell was one of such angels in flaming fire taking vengeance...?
Please do not try to blasphemously justify a slaughter appealing to God's name.
"Thou shalt not murder"
is it clear?
MrCorocotta 1 year ago
@MrCorocotta If you study the history closely you will see that Cromwell never murdered anybody. He was a soldier. Some of his generals murdered behind his back only AFTER Cromwell left the island and several soldiers had been guilty of pillaging and murdering civilians so Cromwell PERSONALLY saw to the execution of the offenders.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@MrCorocotta If you think that an act of war automatically translates to murder than what in the name of Christ are you doing defending Philip II and 16th century Spain?
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth
The point is that King Philip didn't consider himself God's avenging hand (as Cromwell). Neither was he like the ridiculous character shown in the film, nor queen Elisebeth was a saint. Things maybe simple in films, but not in real life.
Philip planned the invasion of England to cut the british support to dutch rebellions and to stop pirate attacks cowardly consented by Queen Elizabeth.
Philip acted as king, not as a madman who thinks he is illuminated by God.
MrCorocotta 1 year ago 50
@MrCorocotta Elizabeth was a saint. One thing you catholics do not understand is that every saved born again Bible believer is a SAINT of the Most High and every man of Christian faith a priest with Jesus Christ as our High Priest forever in the order of Melchizedek. Elizabeth was chaste virgin with a deep faith in God and committment to the protestant religion. This is something which the film fails to show.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@MrCorocotta You apparently understand nothing of Philip. He firmly believed that God was on his side as did Cromwell. Just look at how biased you are, you attack Elizabeth and Cromwell for asserting their dominion over the isle of Eire, the same dominion which England ALWAYS had under catholic monarchs since the time pope Adrian IV deeded Ireland to the English king yet you completely support Philips bloody reign over the protestant people of netherlands half a continent away.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@MrCorocotta It is obvious that you believe protestants have no right to government yet, in your eyes, catholic monarchs are completely justified in their oppressive counter-reformation empire building. Your hypocritical double standard is easy to detect. At least I admitt my desire to see the temporal power of the pope and popish leaders broken, why will you not admitt that your agenda is to see the destruction of us "heretic" protestants?
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@MrCorocotta This subject is far more simple than you are giving it credit for. Philip was an oppressive tyrant and Elizabeth was a good Queen.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth I'm sorry - Philip was an oppressive tyrant and Elizabeth a good Queen? That opinion shifts, you know? Philip was perhaps the best monarch Spain has ever had since their Catholic Kings (Isabella and Fernando). I speak for it when it comes to Portugal - Philip guaranteed the freedoms of Portugal were absolutely respected. Unfortunately, his son and his grandson did not respect his vision. But both monarchs had their part in religious wars. Elizabeth was no saint, nor was Philip.
AvatarMarxon90 1 year ago 3
@WorshipInTruth And don't get me wrong. My beliefs drift from those of the Spanish. British have proven to be Portugal's greatest ally in history. But you have to agree, while Catholic countries such as Portugal and Spain had the Inquisition to purge the so-called heretics, England had the Catholics, that did not wish to convert to the new faith, the "pleasure" of loosing their heads. Thomas Moore, a fine example. He lost his head for his ideals, but always loved the king. "But God's first."
AvatarMarxon90 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth When will you British learn that your Church was created upon political issues? The disguise of the abbuses of the Catholic Church (although a noble fight) in order to form a new Church, is simply idiotic. It was only because your king could not divorce from the rightful Queen of the English, Catherine. What you English should have done was to provoke some kind of revolution inside the Catholic Church in order to bring stronger moral values to the Pope and his cardinals.
AvatarMarxon90 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth And let me tell you, I've been reading several books about Philip, and he is not like he is depicted in this movie. He looks like a fanatical weakling. Which he was not. He was a ferverent Catholic? Yes. But he was very intelligent, and was almost always occupied with state affairs. In this movie he's always inside a church (and I know he loved El Escorial) but come on, he was always wondering around: Toledo, Salamanca, El Escorial, Burgos...
AvatarMarxon90 1 year ago 5
@MrCorocotta very well stated. The reason why throughout the last (almost) 200 years the British have been seen as the "good" guys lol is because they came out victorious against Napoleon to specific the battle of Waterloo. I am Spanish American and through the research I have done I do not believe in the Black Legend it was an Anglo Saxon propaganda to destroy the Spanish credibility (The Spanish never had colonies they had viceroyalties that other Europeans envied V-Royalties superior than).
DogManakaElCid 1 year ago
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MrCorocotta 1 year ago
@DogManakaElCid, thanks. Even the false Black Legend is a joke compared with real facts about the British Empire: Spreading smallpox on purpose by means of infected blankets given to native americans, the great famines in India that killed around 50 million people (not in the XVI c., but in the XIX-XX c.!) while british kept on importing indian cereals, eugenesic (=nazi) ideology to justify british supremacy, the source of nowdays conflicts in the Middle East, etc...
MrCorocotta 1 year ago 3
@MrCorocotta - This movie has shown many inaccuracies; however, the Spanish were in total belief of God's providence on them. Seriously, like, that was the Spanish way. "God, Gold, and Glory."
PolishSanta 1 year ago
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@PolishSanta, though I do not agree with you, I should admit that I prefer the motto "God, Gold, and Glory" rather than "Gold, Gold, and Gold."
MrCorocotta 1 year ago
@MrCorocotta Dont you know that Victors write History but Anglo Saxons eventualy rewrite them with movies and series.
ImperialGuard9001 1 year ago
@ImperialGuard9001, indeed. It's cheaper to make a fictional, trashy film than to win a war or change history.
MrCorocotta 1 year ago
"It is impiety, and almost blasphemy to presume to know the will of God. It comes from the sin of pride, Even kings, Brother Nicholas, must submit to being used by God's will without knowing what it is. They must never seek to use it."
Philip II of Spain if this a fanatical man words then we have lost all reason
ImperialGuard9001 1 year ago
@MrCorocotta I have not seen this movie,but your point about movies is very true :)
GentlemanGhost1 1 year ago
@MrCorocotta But he was part of the Inquisition. You can't deny the Religiousness of the situation, specially in those times. Religion was as powerful as monarchy; maybe even more so.
torysama 9 months ago
@torysama, More people were put to death under the reign of Elizabeth I that under the sum of the Spanish, Roman and Portuguese inquisitions throughout history. In this sense, Elizabeth designed a Protestant inquisition which was way more violent than its Catholic counterpart. These are the real facts that this kind of films try to hide.
MrCorocotta 8 months ago 4
@MrCorocotta Oh please. Hundreds of thousands have died fin the name of these Religious Crusaders, namely Catholic, than under the reign of ANY British ruler. Fact is, people are still dying TODAY in the name of the Pope of in Rome. That's something the media has been hiding for YEARS. Besides, where do your alligiances lie? With the Monarchy or the Pope? T__T"
torysama 8 months ago
@torysama, could you be more explicit, please...? Btw, the king Richard I of England gave up his amorous escapades with his cousin Philip to participate in the Third Crusade...
MrCorocotta 8 months ago
@MrCorocotta I'm explicit enough. My comments aren't vague. If you can't understand my point, then you should ask an adult for help. ;)
torysama 8 months ago
@torysama So typical. Is presented with fact that debunks the protestant 'We are saints Spain and its inquisition is evil' thought, and turns to conspiracy theories to try and justify it.
assasincomedy 6 months ago
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@assasincomedy "So typical. Is presented with fact that debunks the protestant 'We are saints Spain and its inquisition is evil' thought, and turns to conspiracy theories to try and justify it." Um... what?
torysama 6 months ago
@MrCorocotta Your hippie yuppie wimpy catholic image of Jesus [backed up by his domineering mother false Mary] is not the true Christ Yeshua of the Bible.
I am not here to tell you the good news about Jesus returning, I am trying to WARN you about the fact of his imminent return. The pope should be shaking in his faggy red slippers
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth Jesus explained pretty clearly his message (Mathew 5). It has nothing to do the old law ('an eye for an eye') that you like so much.
MrCorocotta 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth As a Historian I'm ashamed of your words. You are so biased you shouldn't even be allowed to read History.
DaniMajor 1 year ago
@MrCorocotta Of course catholics did not feel comfortable with a protestant crown but what is your point? Do you think the protestants felt comfortable being ruled by a catholic tyrant like Bloody Mary, Phillip, Charles or any of the other infamous papist totalitarians of that time?
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth Which btw was one of the first institutions in Europe to rule against the death penalty for supposed witches meanwhile Elizabeth I was making the statute against witchcraft and many innocents called the elizabethan witches were executed.
iwonderw 1 year ago
@iwonderw During the reign of Elizabeth there was only one execution device in all of England. In Spain there were THOUSANDS.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@MrCorocotta part 2. I have to tell you this is another great comment!! But back to the subject France, Specially Britain envied what the Spanish accomplished in fact if it weren't for the "privaters" and the gold/etc they were STEALING they wouldn't have had the funds to build their Empire!! Its good to see people who know the other story....
DogManakaElCid 1 year ago
@DogManakaElCid, those days England was a terrorist state, similar to nowdays Syria: Not only supported ottoman and berberian pirates, but its national heros are pirates. The epitomy of cowardice is 'Sir' Francis Drake: he liked the raids on undefended towns, or fly away when was in troubles (San Juan de Ulúa) leaving his companions to their fate. He commanded the disastrous english Armada at the battle of La Coruña, where a civil militia leadered by a woman defeated the english scum.
MrCorocotta 1 year ago 4
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@WorshipInTruth
2) You may think that a queen who established covert agreements with Turks while the Ottomans threatened Europe, or that provided weapons to the Barbary pirates who killed and slaved christians around the Mediterranean was 'God based'. Good for you, lol.
Many other people think that Elizabethan England cannot be compared with Spain. Thanks to king Philip II and other spanish kings the muslims were contained. British, on the contrary supported them. A great honour, lol!
MrCorocotta 1 year ago 6
@MrCorocotta Roman Emperor Charles was a man-devil who brought misery and fear to protestants across Europe. Phillip of Spain was also a walking man-devil. Phillip was actually closer to the murderous counter-reformation Jesuits than was the pope. After Phillip lost the armada, pope Sixtus V went back on his promise of financial support for Spain and actually threw support to Elizabeth (Sixtus V admired Elizabeth and admitted that he wished he could marry her).
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@MrCorocotta I believe that Phillip had Sixtus V assassinated for this and replaced with a more complacent pope [Phillip would see 5 popes come and go during his reign]. Sixtus V also tried to curb the growing influence of the Jesuits which also would have been his death warrant.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@MrCorocotta At times the "Society of Jesus" have had to murder, assassinate or humble various and numerous popes who were not fully going along with the jesuits counter-reformation agenda.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth Any example, please...? Or perhaps it's nothing more than another neurotic rumour against Jesuits ...?
MrCorocotta 1 year ago
@MrCorocotta There are many examples. Probably the most obvious is the murder of pope Clement XIV. Clement XIV [Ganganelli] abolished the Jesuit Order entirely in 1773 and died shortly thereafter. Before he passed he even blamed it on the Jesuits. Like many other popes he had been poisoned, tasted the "Cup of Borgia" as it was called.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth this is a rumour, not a fact...
MrCorocotta 1 year ago
@MrCorocotta Catholics were allowed to exist in England and were allowed to practice their religion and their ridiculous blasphemy of the Lords Supper as long as they did not harbor priests (foreign agents). Do you think ANY protestants were allowed to live in Philips Spain? Anybody even suspected of non-catholicism was tried before a kangaroo court than cruelly murdered.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth In fact was a spanish inquisitor called Salazar Frias who proved that witchcraft was a nonsense and because of him,Spain and the rest of catholic countries forbidden this kind of executions while in the rest of the protestant countries the executions for this stupidity kept during 100 years more.Thousands and thousands of innocents were killed for this reason in the protestant countries,specially in Germany,England and Scotland.
iwonderw 1 year ago