the only design aspect you are testing seems to be speed to boil. that dose not matter to me i look for weight or availability of fuel,or price or durability. i could go all day test to see what stove is the best over all. come on guys you both have great shows. take a tip from myth busters make a chart or something useful.
Trangia stoves do not "fail" or "crap out"- they are probably THE most dependable stove on the market. Read the directions next time. You do not set a pot directly on the Trangia, you set a pot on a stand or windscreen about an inch above it.
@northerbrewer You obviously do not go backpacking. These stoves are small and lightweight for backpackers. Not for camping. Yeah a big hunk of stove will work great when you walk 100 ft. from your car to camp. Which IMO isn't really camping anyways but there ya go. THese cups would have boiled a lot faster with windscreens. Most of these stoves are excellent for backpacking and work well when using them correctly.
Those stoves are for stupid people. Buy a 530 or M-1950 they burn gasoline and actulay work in the cold, Not to mention they are much cheaper to use and hot enough to actualy cook something on.
I have a mini van that I sleep in with a foam roll up, much more comnfortable and it has room for my little johnson and Toyo boat.
If you rough it your younger and fitter than I am, I just as soon drive and make camp than walk around like a tourist.
the trangia isnt even designed to hold a pot on it, so you calling it a failure is asinine. not to mention windscreens would help all of those a lot. way to not know what youre doing
@TheDavkitts You can't use a windscreen on any of these canister stoves of this style unless you want to run the VERY serious risk blowing up the canister. That's why remote-burner canister stoves like the MSR WindPro rock so much.
@vertizon Im not sure where you get that info, because REI sells a windscreen for the Snow Peak Giga Power. While not the same as the windscreen for a trangia in that it only protects the flame, it does a lot to help with burn times and efficiency. Trangia's are one of the best stoves out there, you just have to be smart enough to use it...
@TheDavkitts Touche. That's THE one then. Looks like a smart addition. I should clarify - "...can't use a "traditional" windscreen that envelops the stove and canister..." I believe that style is the one most folks are accustomed to. Just trying to keep it safe out there!
If you only need to boil water, the only stove anybody should use in Alabama at any given time is a homemade alcohol stove. The lightest and cheapest system you could ever take on the trail.
The Whiperlight is a decent stove, as long as you don't mind a Saturn 5 rocket in camp. It is the loudest stove available, and also does not simmer. So boiling water or melting snow is about all you can do with it. I will echo other comments, the Trangia is a burner, not a stove. It requires a stove to make it a system and allows it to continue burning. There are many good stove/pot supports that support the Trangia, it helps to know what you are doing... Make it an honest contest
@ightwoman I've used a whisperlite for 20 years. It can simmer!! There is a lag of a few seconds between turning it down and the flame reacting. Typically it's difficult to do with out it going out and takes a bit of practice, but if it dies you can just relight it instantly. More of a pain than most stoves but the pros of it far out weight the cons. I've been simmering for 20 years, yet so many say it can't be done. It can!
@WorldClimb I still have three Whisperlites (original-at least 15 yrs old; shaker jet; and Internationale) and enjoy using them. But, if you are able to throttle it down to a usable simmer, it soots up terribly, then starts surging because the generator simply isn't getting enough heat to completely vaporize the fuel. Even MSR recognizes that the Whisperlite won't reliably simmer, that's why they introduced the Simmerlite...
@ightwoman It does soot up, particularly with kerosene, but you can blast it red hot again for a moment and the soot flakes off. I agree it's a hassle to simmer with a Whisperlite, but you can do it. I've been simmering easily enough for 20 years. It's annoying when people say it doesn't simmer. It does, not as easily as other stoves but weight/cost/power far outweigh the small hassle it is to get it to simmer. I dehydrate meals now so simmering isn't such an issue for me anymore.
Wow, judging from the comments I see on here there's definitely no asshole shortage. Aside from the mistake with the alcohol stove I thought this video was sufficient.
Sorry but this vid bothers me! have any of you guy's really spent more than 3 days in the woods since you were born? Did you ever have to survive? Do you just work for Dicks Sporting goods or something! Do you have any idea how offensive this vid is to many thousands of people around the world? SAD!
for safety reasons you should not use a skirt around any canister stove unless it is above it! The alchohol stoves should not have even been used here! The skirt is required! this was a very poor comparrison and very unfair! all that was done here was to bash the alchohol stove! the purpose is different and used in a different way!
Would it not be easier to estimate which boils faster by simply looking at the BTU output? Obviously the one with a higher output of heat energy boils the quickest?
@thespy1 Not true. You can have significant BTU output, but if the heat is not transmitted to the pot efficiently it's irrelavent. A simple, gentle breeze will erase many a BTU on your average canister stove. BTU's correlate to horsepower. You can have equal hp in two vehicles but the one with greater efficiency (less weight, less rolling resistance, etc.) will be faster. BTU's are just smoke and mirrors that some manufacturer's use look impressive.
Can you update the information and give the elevation above sea level for the location?
What pot is that?
Alcohol stoves need a windscreen and pot support, so you need a separate test on the category. Make a few DIY soda can and cat food can stoves seen a Zen Stoves.
It stands to reason that a gear review channel would try to maintain a solid level of credibility. You've generally lost that by not doing something as simple as reading the manual on how to use one of the stoves. I'm not even going to bother making a longer comment on comparing stoves using different fuels together.
i think you did a fine job.Same brand of fuel is a good starting point. Also you should test each type of stove first( canister, pump and alcohol) and then compare the different types to each other .
discounting the fact that you do not know how to use an alcohol stove-if you want an even test you should have used the same brand of fuel in each stove-%of propane to butane.ect.
You went to all the trouble to ensure that all the water was at the same temperature and even purchased identical cups, but then you failed to read the instructions for the stoves!?
Glad to see snowpeak finish top 3. It does boil fast. I've had mine for 3 years and it still rocks out a hot cup of coffee in 5 minutes. As close to starbucks on the trail as I can get.
And the snowpeak stove folds up really tiny. It easily fits inside my titanium coffee cup along with the small can of fuel and some pot grips. LOVE MY STOVE!!!
Hey guys, these things are all basically a tie, except for the alcohol stoves, whatever. Why not do a show on hobo stoves/rocket/caldera stoves? home-made stove designs? thats a great idea. to all the nay-sayer, BALLS to your face, go make a vid instead of knocking these guys!!
I love the scientific approach. You might want to consider though, that the first three to boil, were in the middle where they potentially gained more waste heat and wind shelter from the surrounding stoves.
Also I'd like to see an efficiency comparison, and subsequently a weight including fuel comparison as speed is not everything.
Agree that the Trangia criticism was funny. How the heck could you buy a burner only and think it was meant to be used stand-alone? Didn't the seller help you at all? I use Trangia gas burner in a Trangia stove kit, a Primus EtaExpress and a Primus gas burner. The Trangia with gas burner is the absolute best in windy conditions for more real cooking. For boiling water the EtaExpress with it's wind shield is great.
whatever you carry around for your coking needs just be sure that it works and that you know how to use it. i like a wood fire myself, but sometimes i bring a camping stove if i think it is going to be to wet to light any wood. its a good back-up in case plan A doesnt work out.
@RustyHingesSqueak The Trangia is a POS? I assume you've used one and it was not suitable for your purposes? I hope you passed it on to someone else for whom it might be a better fit.
I don't even _like_ alcohol as a fuel and I appreciate the Trangia's function and design. Simple and bulletproof. Throw one in a Swedish mess kit thing and it really performs.
Sounds to me like you just don't know how to use an alcohol stove. I'm not going to say they are better or worse but they are different. It would be like comparing kayaks to sail boats.
One factor not addressed, were all of the butane canisters new, cool weather affects the pressure in canister which is why these are not stoves for weather below 50, a canister that is 1/2 use will not have the same pressure as a new one, that is where the msr or any multi fuel stove will out perform a canister stove, (although there are canister stoves that have preheat tubes that help) the pump in a multi fuel allows you to pressureize it and compensate for the pressure drop of the cool temps
Wow, I rarely say it to people I don't know, but you people are genuine idiots and morons. The Trangia is an alcohol burner, not a complete stove, unlike the others in this "test" it does not have an integrated pot support. In fact, what you did is exactly what you normally do to extinguish the Trangia. Also, if you had realized that a flame needs oxygen and subsequently used a pot support, you should have taken the simmer ring off. Your defensive comments serve to prove your solid stupidity.
@LosBerkos, Sure they got that wrong but the MSR WhisperLite is the best stove for boiling water that money can buy, I don't care what you beer can packing ultra lighters say about it.
@LosBerkos Why get so personal? How about some constructive criticism and a little humanity. I can promise you if you were standing directly across the table from them you would be a bit more respectful. We're talking a stove test is all, lighten up.
@humbleranger You mean he should lighten up on the guy professing to have the "ideas and knowledge that could one day save your life"? that guy? the one who claims his "knowledge" can save your life, yet doesn't even understand how one of the oldest and most popular camping/outdoor stoves in the world actually works? shit like this is why you never take self proclaimed survival experts serious without researching them yourself. camo pants and a ka-bar don't make you an expert.
@karlhungusjr1 Although there is an awful lot of truth in your comments, Karl, I think most people are smart enough, like you, to go the extra steps to figure things out. Personally, with all the gear available today, i think the old alcohol stove should be a VERY last resort anyway..let's not forget, the human race did pretty well with a ring of rocks and some wood for a long time.
I /thought/ that sounded like Jack. Seems to me this should be called a n ultralight or backpacking stove shootout rather than a camping stove shootout. Camping stoves would have included various liquid-fuel optimus/coleman/whatever stoves.
Im a trangia user. I used most of the stove styles butane, gaz, wood, alcohol, DIY, ... etc and gave a lot of time to think about the stove that suits my needs better.
My trangia finally won, along with something to burn wood (for late night tea).
No more gaz canister burner for me. Noisy, fragile (drop a full pot on it, you'll see) with all those arms, valves, rings , ... No, its over.
The trangia won over all others, including supercat or penny style. Its a flawless nuclear bunker.
Having said that, the alcohol stoves would have come in dead last anyways in boil time on the range of 7 - 10 minutes. That's just the nature of alcohol stoves. They burn cooler so they take longer to boil. Boil time is not the only factor to take into consideration, though.
In addition, the simmer ring was used on the trangia, which you have to use after the stove has "popped", and you only want to use the simmer ring if you want to use less than full blast. If you're boiling water you leave the simmer ring off. These guys basically smothered the vents that the flames are supposed to come out of and then wonder why it doesn't work.
The reason both the alcohol stoves went out is because you aren't supposed to set anything directly on them. The Trangia specifically is just a burner and not a complete stove. If you actually bought a stove kit it would have come with a pot stand of some sort. Saying the Trangia is a failure is like buying a bike without wheels and saying it fails because it doesn't work. These guys have no idea what they were doing.
this is an example of bad advertisement!!!!!!! boil time??????? make a video comparing weight, reliability, cost, and fuel consumption, ease of use. Also on last hit on the dead donkey use the stoves the way they are intended. If extra parts are needed, USE them and that in as a talking point in the above five criteria. one mans opinion that would make a great video.
"they had the same shot"? " uniform and fair"? Pfft! that was a totaly ham handed analysis. The alcahol stoves were operated improperly as you admitted, are a different class (ultralight) of stove altogether. The compact or single burners are in comparison quite a bit more cumbersome and run on different fuels, should I go on...
Total failure video, different fuels, failure to properly set up the trangia, just a useless waste of time. You even said you should have had a windscreen on the alcohol stove but chose to ignore that.
Awesome test for the fuel canister stoves but I have to say this is a horrible comparison for alcohol, for 2 main reasons. 1.) the trianga is completely missing a component, thats like setting up a fuel canister without a connection. 2.) Alcohol stoves are not meant to be placed 4 ft. off the ground with no wind resistance, I will say thats a pro to canister but I'd like to see a fair comparison on ground with all components next time.
The trangia went out because you have the simmer ring on it, you need to leave it off to boil water. It will not work because the simmer ring is covering the outer jet holes.......
Ive read the article and still dont get this test. Whats the point in using 1 multifuel burner and two meth stoves, and the rest gas can stoves. Why not equal amount of each if u wanna mix it. Really poor test. Sry.
Nice idea for the test guys but make sure you know how the burners work before you start the test. That's clearly not how a trangia burner works. Nice job otherwise
As you even said Technically you should have a wind screen with alcohol stoves so they did not get a fair crack of working and as been said you have bought a trangia burner not a trangia cook system they are two different things. To get some credibility back I think you should do the whole thing again and maybe get someone in who knows how to work them.
I've used my Coleman Max stove for a few years now, and it boils four cups of water in about five minutes, however I use a lid. I never boil water with a lid off.....
I don't know what it's like where you live, but where I live, when you buy a Trangia it comes with all the wind shield etc. If you did this test here you guys would have bought the Trangia stove from the spare parts department. You didn't actually buy a Trangia stove, you bought a burner. Spare parts.
I've boiled more than 2 cups in a Trangia and 4 minutes.
Sorry, the MSR is a great stove... BUT... the big daddy of all bottle-fuel stoves is: the Primus Omnifuel. Fewest amount of parts. It can burn nearly any fuel (unlike the MSR), gasoline, diesel, JP's, alcohols, LP gas, kerosene. You can even get it in Ti if you're into that.
Also, like the others have said, the Trangia works great (and for many, mnay years) when it is properly used.
The Swiss Army stove is by far the best stove! Trangia when used to corrrectly is awesome and the parts of the stove can be used for other purposes. You did not read how to use the stove. I don't think it was a fair test! The stove should have been used correctly to have a fair test.
But all in all, seriously, nice video to Itstactical in taking the time and all in making the video. It's all about, who knows? whats coming, and being prepared. But you cant compare bottles to oranges,... Big Bulky Tank & Bottle stoves. To Comfy, ideal,little orange alcohol buddies... They're in a class of their own.
Oops. almost forgot. that almost hour long pop can stove was on one fill of 2.5 to 3 ounces of SOOT FREE denatured grain-alcohol enviromentally friendly STOVE-FUEL, you could purchase at WEST MARINE stores. It's for alcohol stoves and anything else you need denatured alcohol for (many uses) And of course 2 pop cans... You could find that anywhere and not have to pay an arm and a leg for it. Try getting a fire out of those cumbersome TANKS without a gadgety nozzle.. I have one!! I hate it!!!
All alcohol stoves, factory built, but more so, homemade are remarkable works of engineering art in a very small humble package. And I would'nt doubt it in the least that Itstactical recognizes this. But I have a doodle,.. Tested it the other day. I have a pop can alcohol stove that lasted me almost an hour the other night. I boiled 4 1/2, 2 cup pots, in just under an hour. 1/2 cause the last pot was just about to boil. I'd like to attach it, but I dont know how to edit videos from big to small.
I can't compare my coleman max "FAMILY" camping stove to my whimpy trail hiking alcohol stove?! Be it trangia, vargo, even homemade alcohol pennystoves,.. They're babies!! With or without windscreens... The Optimus, coleman(wich I have),Superfly (jimmy snuka*-*) Whisperlite, ect. other than the alcohol stoves,.. These are all the big boys toys. Stoves to take with you when you go camping with your family... And as agun17 said: did the BIG PRESSURE DRIVEN stoves come with fuel filled canisters?
as stated by others the trangia failed because it needs a stand but it doesnt really matter as stated by the manufacturer it takes about 18 minutes to get 1Qt to a boil
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@meterbands Please read the article and watch the video. This is how the stoves came from the manufacturer. Our point was that if these stoves required more than what was in the package they should have come from the manufacturer that way.
what was bought is a replacement buner not a full stove Trangia do many diffrent stoves that use the burner. thats like buying the gasburner but not the gascan and saying its a failer. please do some reserch befor you claim to do a test.
@ITStactical The Trangia stove comes in multiple types of kits, the lone stove is available, as there is a lot of aftermarket support for different stands, etc. But, it was intended to work with the trangia stove kits. So, in this respect, it does come from the manufacturer with what it needs. If their was a stand in place, it would have been better reviewed here (I think). I have a pile of stoves myself, but since purchasing the Trangia, the rest have been retired, just personal preference.
Nice introduction of the stoves. Thanks. But the Trangia is designed to be used with a separate setup. I do not think you know the Trangia stove system. If you did, you would never attempt to use the stove the way you did. The mini model has a cup-shaped frame that you can set the pot on top, and allow a space for the flame and oxygen to escape. But it is susceptible to wind.
@ITStactical That burner was just a replacement burner for the whole kit. When you buy a trangia it comes with pots, a pan and all the wind guards. The trangia in this test was not really fair because it has to be used with it's base.
@ITStactical Sure, this may be the case, but you purchased the stove as a spare part...
Show me where Trangia says that the stove works on it's own? Show me where Trangia says the stove piece has been designed to be used on it's own?
Furthermore, you placed the simmer cap on it which even having it fully open is taking away alot of the heat as it closes off the jets, why not try it again with out the simmer cap on so the alcohol has oxygen to breathe.... (through the jets)
@ITStactical being a Retailer in the outdoor market i can tell you the use of the trangia is not done by the manufacturer recomendation when you buy the stove anywere in europe you buy it with windscreen potholder and pots thats how they come to us from the distributors ofcouse if you only order the burner you get the burner they are sold sepretly. Trangia is one of the oldest firms in outdoor cooking on the marked do some research before making videos where you use a product the wrong way
Perhaps something was lost in translation as they refer to the part you are calling a stove as a burner it is far from complete and if you ordered just it then you didn't get the whole stove.
@ITStactical BUT you didn't buy the Trangia Stove! You bought the stove burner 327550, and it is advertised as a burner. the Trangia Stove Kits come under model numbers 28-T, 25-2, 25-3, and Spirit Stove Kit. I don't work for Trangia, I just bought the trangia bc the alcohol stoves are superior in terms of the weight and size of the stove PLUS fuel over white gas stoves. The weight makes alcohol setups lighter to carry for any trip less than 9 days per person.
Um...But...You...fuck it, not even gonna waste my time on you fools
+1 dislike to the darth vader lightsaber of disapproval
Dervishcolorado 12 hours ago
Can't believe what you did with the trangia.
Besides, the main factor in stove choice is the weight of.fuel to boil a fixed amount of water & the availability of that fuel.
mabbee66 22 hours ago
Biolite
nblevin 1 day ago
what no JetBoil? and I hope youre really not gonna wait 4 minutes to start cooking your food at a boil
MrSn0ddy 2 days ago
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MrSn0ddy 2 days ago
Boys,boys, you do not know how to use the triangia stove. You can not use it the way you tried
ricardogiscombe 1 week ago
dude.....i'm 14 and i know more than these retards do about stoves.
and you're obviously not using the trangia stove the way you should because it doesn't just "crap out"
you need to understand all the products before you try (and fail) to make what could have been a great review.
myeffingaccount 1 week ago
What the hell... why didn't you include the Soto OD-1R in your test???? Soooo sad :-(
swilliams2482 2 weeks ago
Why not include a camp stove also? it might be the fastest! i will be buying the crappy Trangia-packin lite :)
iUbookz 2 weeks ago
the only design aspect you are testing seems to be speed to boil. that dose not matter to me i look for weight or availability of fuel,or price or durability. i could go all day test to see what stove is the best over all. come on guys you both have great shows. take a tip from myth busters make a chart or something useful.
jaredj631 2 weeks ago
Trangia stoves do not "fail" or "crap out"- they are probably THE most dependable stove on the market. Read the directions next time. You do not set a pot directly on the Trangia, you set a pot on a stand or windscreen about an inch above it.
sightsalongtheshore 2 weeks ago 3
You guys are idiots! You don't even know how to use the simplist, time tested stove in the lot.
bilric67 3 weeks ago
They boil water but there's not one good stove there in the lot too cook on.
Sorry to say but if your cooking you need a proper stove like a suitcase stove.
Atthe very least you need some thing with some heft and power lke the coleman 500 and steel plate to defuse the flame.
Those are good for making tea and thats about it.
northerbrewer 3 weeks ago
@northerbrewer You obviously do not go backpacking. These stoves are small and lightweight for backpackers. Not for camping. Yeah a big hunk of stove will work great when you walk 100 ft. from your car to camp. Which IMO isn't really camping anyways but there ya go. THese cups would have boiled a lot faster with windscreens. Most of these stoves are excellent for backpacking and work well when using them correctly.
DedHedJosh 1 week ago
@DedHedJosh
Those stoves are for stupid people. Buy a 530 or M-1950 they burn gasoline and actulay work in the cold, Not to mention they are much cheaper to use and hot enough to actualy cook something on.
I have a mini van that I sleep in with a foam roll up, much more comnfortable and it has room for my little johnson and Toyo boat.
If you rough it your younger and fitter than I am, I just as soon drive and make camp than walk around like a tourist.
A 500 is still the best cooking stove.
northerbrewer 6 days ago
the trangia isnt even designed to hold a pot on it, so you calling it a failure is asinine. not to mention windscreens would help all of those a lot. way to not know what youre doing
TheDavkitts 1 month ago
@TheDavkitts You can't use a windscreen on any of these canister stoves of this style unless you want to run the VERY serious risk blowing up the canister. That's why remote-burner canister stoves like the MSR WindPro rock so much.
vertizon 1 month ago
@vertizon Im not sure where you get that info, because REI sells a windscreen for the Snow Peak Giga Power. While not the same as the windscreen for a trangia in that it only protects the flame, it does a lot to help with burn times and efficiency. Trangia's are one of the best stoves out there, you just have to be smart enough to use it...
TheDavkitts 1 month ago
@TheDavkitts Touche. That's THE one then. Looks like a smart addition. I should clarify - "...can't use a "traditional" windscreen that envelops the stove and canister..." I believe that style is the one most folks are accustomed to. Just trying to keep it safe out there!
vertizon 1 month ago
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Doggieman1111 1 month ago
Epic troll with the Trangia guys!
Doggieman1111 1 month ago
If you only need to boil water, the only stove anybody should use in Alabama at any given time is a homemade alcohol stove. The lightest and cheapest system you could ever take on the trail.
MrAltruistic84 1 month ago
You left the simmer ring on the Trangia. It's hard to call it a failure if you dont know how to use it.
SurvivalReality 1 month ago
trangia without the windbreak? no wonder it failed.
Corpserated 1 month ago
Dang why so many dislikes?
Doggieman1111 1 month ago
whoops wrong video. i saw a thumbnail with nice boobs but i missed it
SurvivalGrounds 1 month ago
Clowns. Is this the first time you've seen a Trangia?
carmakliller 1 month ago 2
The Whiperlight is a decent stove, as long as you don't mind a Saturn 5 rocket in camp. It is the loudest stove available, and also does not simmer. So boiling water or melting snow is about all you can do with it. I will echo other comments, the Trangia is a burner, not a stove. It requires a stove to make it a system and allows it to continue burning. There are many good stove/pot supports that support the Trangia, it helps to know what you are doing... Make it an honest contest
ightwoman 1 month ago
@ightwoman I've used a whisperlite for 20 years. It can simmer!! There is a lag of a few seconds between turning it down and the flame reacting. Typically it's difficult to do with out it going out and takes a bit of practice, but if it dies you can just relight it instantly. More of a pain than most stoves but the pros of it far out weight the cons. I've been simmering for 20 years, yet so many say it can't be done. It can!
WorldClimb 1 month ago
@WorldClimb I still have three Whisperlites (original-at least 15 yrs old; shaker jet; and Internationale) and enjoy using them. But, if you are able to throttle it down to a usable simmer, it soots up terribly, then starts surging because the generator simply isn't getting enough heat to completely vaporize the fuel. Even MSR recognizes that the Whisperlite won't reliably simmer, that's why they introduced the Simmerlite...
ightwoman 1 month ago
@ightwoman It does soot up, particularly with kerosene, but you can blast it red hot again for a moment and the soot flakes off. I agree it's a hassle to simmer with a Whisperlite, but you can do it. I've been simmering easily enough for 20 years. It's annoying when people say it doesn't simmer. It does, not as easily as other stoves but weight/cost/power far outweigh the small hassle it is to get it to simmer. I dehydrate meals now so simmering isn't such an issue for me anymore.
WorldClimb 1 month ago
@ightwoman actually, in retrospect, I have to say that the XGK is louder than a Whisperlite, but it is a plate burner rather than a ported burner...
ightwoman 1 month ago
I think guys like this get eating by bears in the wilderness.
manderpino 1 month ago 3
I don't normally care for cheap ignorant comments buts these guys leave me speechless, what absolute total knob heads
jez2391 1 month ago
Trangia fails because those things should come with a pot stand but most often does not.
Idiot companies.
dinnerandashow 1 month ago
Wow, judging from the comments I see on here there's definitely no asshole shortage. Aside from the mistake with the alcohol stove I thought this video was sufficient.
xxxxxxx6xxxxxxx 1 month ago
Who the hell wouldn't love this vid I actually used it and bought a whisperlite!!
cocooreo100 1 month ago in playlist Liked videos
Funny thing is my Trangia lasts a little OVER 20 min.. not 2 min when filled up... this "test" is a joke.
Thecoldwaterfall 1 month ago
Sorry but this vid bothers me! have any of you guy's really spent more than 3 days in the woods since you were born? Did you ever have to survive? Do you just work for Dicks Sporting goods or something! Do you have any idea how offensive this vid is to many thousands of people around the world? SAD!
Brewerswart 1 month ago
@Brewerswart you penis
cocooreo100 1 month ago in playlist Liked videos
for safety reasons you should not use a skirt around any canister stove unless it is above it! The alchohol stoves should not have even been used here! The skirt is required! this was a very poor comparrison and very unfair! all that was done here was to bash the alchohol stove! the purpose is different and used in a different way!
Brewerswart 1 month ago
Would it not be easier to estimate which boils faster by simply looking at the BTU output? Obviously the one with a higher output of heat energy boils the quickest?
thespy1 2 months ago
@thespy1 some lie
cocooreo100 1 month ago in playlist Liked videos
@cocooreo100 Who cares if one is 30 seconds faster than other. Potato/PoTAWto.
thespy1 1 month ago
@thespy1 what if your out in the freezing cold? That 30 seconds could be very important
cocooreo100 1 month ago
@thespy1 the guy thats running out of fuel???
BreachmanINC 1 month ago
@thespy1 Not true. You can have significant BTU output, but if the heat is not transmitted to the pot efficiently it's irrelavent. A simple, gentle breeze will erase many a BTU on your average canister stove. BTU's correlate to horsepower. You can have equal hp in two vehicles but the one with greater efficiency (less weight, less rolling resistance, etc.) will be faster. BTU's are just smoke and mirrors that some manufacturer's use look impressive.
vertizon 1 month ago
As always you guys do a good job
BackwoodsTinman 2 months ago
Set up time also count. Some are easy to ser up but slow to boil and vice versa.
AkosiMRswabe 2 months ago
Can you update the information and give the elevation above sea level for the location?
What pot is that?
Alcohol stoves need a windscreen and pot support, so you need a separate test on the category. Make a few DIY soda can and cat food can stoves seen a Zen Stoves.
borderraven 2 months ago
It stands to reason that a gear review channel would try to maintain a solid level of credibility. You've generally lost that by not doing something as simple as reading the manual on how to use one of the stoves. I'm not even going to bother making a longer comment on comparing stoves using different fuels together.
cypherf0x 2 months ago 2
I'm calling for a rematch, only this time treat all stoves equally..
40intrek 2 months ago
You guys aren't too bright. I'd take this off You-Tube if I where you.No wonder the world thinks Americans are stupid!
acandlemancan 2 months ago
Hey you Guys you never gave the Trangia a chance were's the mount ? Arhhhhhhhhhhh
charlieoscar09 2 months ago
i think you did a fine job.Same brand of fuel is a good starting point. Also you should test each type of stove first( canister, pump and alcohol) and then compare the different types to each other .
co1950 2 months ago
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gerald22macoolit 2 months ago
"The Trangia went out. Yeah it totally failed!" Correct, oh wait trangia? Thought you were talking about youselves... But oh well, american...
JessKN 2 months ago
next time do the test underwater.
geordankent 2 months ago 3
god damn. I hope you guys are as embarrassed as you should be.
karlhungusjr1 3 months ago 2
doods the trangia didn't go out you put it out u have to use a pot stand for it
171RAVEN 3 months ago 3
discounting the fact that you do not know how to use an alcohol stove-if you want an even test you should have used the same brand of fuel in each stove-%of propane to butane.ect.
monkey12345648 3 months ago
the Trangia dosen`t work like that! Idiots
bordell87 3 months ago 2
This video cracks me up, how funny is their attempts to use a spirit stove. I want them to do a knife review, it would be hilarious.
NOTuNOTme 3 months ago 10
Morons
han06040721 3 months ago
You went to all the trouble to ensure that all the water was at the same temperature and even purchased identical cups, but then you failed to read the instructions for the stoves!?
LCDT 3 months ago
You guys clearly dont camp. go back to your computer desk and start coding. FAIL
sketchyhon 3 months ago 14
the trangia went out because believe it or not fire needs air to burn
4570dylan 3 months ago 3
Can you guys guess why the dislikes vastly out-number the likes, on this vid ?
... I would tell you, but I don't want to spoil the mystery ... (duh).
phrankus2009 3 months ago
@phrankus2009 I cant, I dont camp so I have no idea really. Not being sarcastic but could you please enlighten me.
louie000007 1 week ago
Glad to see snowpeak finish top 3. It does boil fast. I've had mine for 3 years and it still rocks out a hot cup of coffee in 5 minutes. As close to starbucks on the trail as I can get.
And the snowpeak stove folds up really tiny. It easily fits inside my titanium coffee cup along with the small can of fuel and some pot grips. LOVE MY STOVE!!!
kesnermatt 3 months ago
Hey guys, these things are all basically a tie, except for the alcohol stoves, whatever. Why not do a show on hobo stoves/rocket/caldera stoves? home-made stove designs? thats a great idea. to all the nay-sayer, BALLS to your face, go make a vid instead of knocking these guys!!
FlipFlibbo 3 months ago
so, pressurized gas stoves against alcohol stoves, without even a wind screen... yeah, it was close. *sarcasm* 8-/
unowild 3 months ago
I love the scientific approach. You might want to consider though, that the first three to boil, were in the middle where they potentially gained more waste heat and wind shelter from the surrounding stoves.
Also I'd like to see an efficiency comparison, and subsequently a weight including fuel comparison as speed is not everything.
Greatbloke 3 months ago
Agree that the Trangia criticism was funny. How the heck could you buy a burner only and think it was meant to be used stand-alone? Didn't the seller help you at all? I use Trangia gas burner in a Trangia stove kit, a Primus EtaExpress and a Primus gas burner. The Trangia with gas burner is the absolute best in windy conditions for more real cooking. For boiling water the EtaExpress with it's wind shield is great.
nikazp 3 months ago
whatever you carry around for your coking needs just be sure that it works and that you know how to use it. i like a wood fire myself, but sometimes i bring a camping stove if i think it is going to be to wet to light any wood. its a good back-up in case plan A doesnt work out.
ChemicalMikeUK 3 months ago
I think the alcohol stoves need to be preheated too.
Bobster986 3 months ago
try any minibull stove made by Tinny and they will blow all these away!!!
SeerFrank 3 months ago
Dammit! Such a great opportunity for a really conclusive camping stove review and you guys totally fucking blew it.
ArbitraryLifestyle 4 months ago 4
this is a retarded review... you should use standard gases when comparing them or else you have two variables time and gas...
rawimpact 4 months ago
" The Trangia craped out"...."we are callin it a failure", "it got its chance like everything else"
Really some great quotes here guys.......ITStactical???
Very Tactacal guys! You cant even figure out how to use a Trangia, used my thousands of soldiers for decades.....and then YOU call it a FAILURE?
You guys clearly FAIL! Tactical or TactiCOOL?
WisconsinEric 4 months ago 4
yes they f'd up with that alcohol stove,big whoop.It's a pos anyway..Give the guys a break.
RustyHingesSqueak 4 months ago
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@RustyHingesSqueak The Trangia is a POS? I assume you've used one and it was not suitable for your purposes? I hope you passed it on to someone else for whom it might be a better fit.
I don't even _like_ alcohol as a fuel and I appreciate the Trangia's function and design. Simple and bulletproof. Throw one in a Swedish mess kit thing and it really performs.
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fratermus 4 months ago
I personally think everyone should calm down and have a nice hot drink and not worry to much about what made it hot !!!!!
there you go.......all settled now...
vman88888888 4 months ago
What scares me the most is that these guys review guns !
Maffu1973 4 months ago 5
Sounds to me like you just don't know how to use an alcohol stove. I'm not going to say they are better or worse but they are different. It would be like comparing kayaks to sail boats.
chipmunkhippo 5 months ago 4
One factor not addressed, were all of the butane canisters new, cool weather affects the pressure in canister which is why these are not stoves for weather below 50, a canister that is 1/2 use will not have the same pressure as a new one, that is where the msr or any multi fuel stove will out perform a canister stove, (although there are canister stoves that have preheat tubes that help) the pump in a multi fuel allows you to pressureize it and compensate for the pressure drop of the cool temps
fasstta 5 months ago
Wow, I rarely say it to people I don't know, but you people are genuine idiots and morons. The Trangia is an alcohol burner, not a complete stove, unlike the others in this "test" it does not have an integrated pot support. In fact, what you did is exactly what you normally do to extinguish the Trangia. Also, if you had realized that a flame needs oxygen and subsequently used a pot support, you should have taken the simmer ring off. Your defensive comments serve to prove your solid stupidity.
LosBerkos 5 months ago 59
@LosBerkos, Sure they got that wrong but the MSR WhisperLite is the best stove for boiling water that money can buy, I don't care what you beer can packing ultra lighters say about it.
thatguyisms 2 months ago
@LosBerkos Why get so personal? How about some constructive criticism and a little humanity. I can promise you if you were standing directly across the table from them you would be a bit more respectful. We're talking a stove test is all, lighten up.
humbleranger 2 months ago
@humbleranger You mean he should lighten up on the guy professing to have the "ideas and knowledge that could one day save your life"? that guy? the one who claims his "knowledge" can save your life, yet doesn't even understand how one of the oldest and most popular camping/outdoor stoves in the world actually works? shit like this is why you never take self proclaimed survival experts serious without researching them yourself. camo pants and a ka-bar don't make you an expert.
karlhungusjr1 2 months ago 2
@karlhungusjr1 Although there is an awful lot of truth in your comments, Karl, I think most people are smart enough, like you, to go the extra steps to figure things out. Personally, with all the gear available today, i think the old alcohol stove should be a VERY last resort anyway..let's not forget, the human race did pretty well with a ring of rocks and some wood for a long time.
humbleranger 2 months ago
I /thought/ that sounded like Jack. Seems to me this should be called a n ultralight or backpacking stove shootout rather than a camping stove shootout. Camping stoves would have included various liquid-fuel optimus/coleman/whatever stoves.
fratermus 5 months ago
Im a trangia user. I used most of the stove styles butane, gaz, wood, alcohol, DIY, ... etc and gave a lot of time to think about the stove that suits my needs better.
My trangia finally won, along with something to burn wood (for late night tea).
No more gaz canister burner for me. Noisy, fragile (drop a full pot on it, you'll see) with all those arms, valves, rings , ... No, its over.
The trangia won over all others, including supercat or penny style. Its a flawless nuclear bunker.
Retubetard 5 months ago 3
I'll take the Trangia any day!
scdevon 5 months ago 4
You idiots - that's not how you use a Trangia!
TheLittleWorldofGaz 5 months ago 4
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nathanshepherd1 5 months ago
Jetboil beats all
georgemichaelalbert 5 months ago
you should've put windscreens on all the stoves so wind was not a factor
anthonym2121 5 months ago 2
yeah whisperlite international thats my stove yeah
anthonym2121 5 months ago
Having said that, the alcohol stoves would have come in dead last anyways in boil time on the range of 7 - 10 minutes. That's just the nature of alcohol stoves. They burn cooler so they take longer to boil. Boil time is not the only factor to take into consideration, though.
bdmason999 5 months ago
In addition, the simmer ring was used on the trangia, which you have to use after the stove has "popped", and you only want to use the simmer ring if you want to use less than full blast. If you're boiling water you leave the simmer ring off. These guys basically smothered the vents that the flames are supposed to come out of and then wonder why it doesn't work.
bdmason999 5 months ago 2
The reason both the alcohol stoves went out is because you aren't supposed to set anything directly on them. The Trangia specifically is just a burner and not a complete stove. If you actually bought a stove kit it would have come with a pot stand of some sort. Saying the Trangia is a failure is like buying a bike without wheels and saying it fails because it doesn't work. These guys have no idea what they were doing.
bdmason999 5 months ago 2
this is an example of bad advertisement!!!!!!! boil time??????? make a video comparing weight, reliability, cost, and fuel consumption, ease of use. Also on last hit on the dead donkey use the stoves the way they are intended. If extra parts are needed, USE them and that in as a talking point in the above five criteria. one mans opinion that would make a great video.
JohnSmitth 6 months ago
"they had the same shot"? " uniform and fair"? Pfft! that was a totaly ham handed analysis. The alcahol stoves were operated improperly as you admitted, are a different class (ultralight) of stove altogether. The compact or single burners are in comparison quite a bit more cumbersome and run on different fuels, should I go on...
jettscreemr 6 months ago
but the msr whisperlite also comes with a wind screen
w22195 6 months ago
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w0r10ck 6 months ago
Total failure video, different fuels, failure to properly set up the trangia, just a useless waste of time. You even said you should have had a windscreen on the alcohol stove but chose to ignore that.
morgandewolfe 6 months ago
ahahahaha the guys apparently forgot how to use a trangia stove they just put out the flame completely heheehehehe :)
kit120376 6 months ago
HANG ON! LET ME GO SEE WHAT KIND OF STOVE I HAVE AND I WILL TELL YOU WHICH ONE IS THE BEST! ;)
RockyMountainPrepper 6 months ago 2
Jack Spirko is the bomb.
RockyMountainPrepper 6 months ago
Awesome test for the fuel canister stoves but I have to say this is a horrible comparison for alcohol, for 2 main reasons. 1.) the trianga is completely missing a component, thats like setting up a fuel canister without a connection. 2.) Alcohol stoves are not meant to be placed 4 ft. off the ground with no wind resistance, I will say thats a pro to canister but I'd like to see a fair comparison on ground with all components next time.
CaliLizard2009 6 months ago
Losta sour grapes from Trangia fans. What a pity they never understood that all the stoves were used "as supplied".
Yep all manner of different results could have been obtained with other addons.
PS I don't use any of them. I live in a climate where you can light a fire to cook your food.
ozzirt 7 months ago
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Doggieman1111 1 month ago
@Doggieman1111 Can you supply a credible reference for that?
ozzirt 1 month ago
The trangia went out because you have the simmer ring on it, you need to leave it off to boil water. It will not work because the simmer ring is covering the outer jet holes.......
MrChillinVillan 7 months ago 2
I was waiting for the table to blow out from the stoves placed on the glass
MegaBigTruckDriver 7 months ago
you smother the flame with the cup on the trangia, use the whole stove next time,
fredde
hobbexp 7 months ago 2
If you want to see a good set up for the trangia stove then look at my trangia mess tin videos.
nathanshepherd1 7 months ago
At least take the simmer ring off of the trangia. it's not made to use with a "Direct" pot setting on it. Dummies!
childersls 7 months ago 49
@childersls In defense also to the alcohol stoves..... they should be used in conjunction with a wind screen! That is a must with alcohol stoves!
polarfisher55555 4 months ago
might as well THROW AWAY YOUR FOOD, if youre gonna use a trangia THAT WAY.
cause youre not eating if you dont learn the stove
inosarza12 7 months ago 3
trangia shud have re match, tut tut !
danielwormald 8 months ago
Gratz on your big Tragia fail,
MaskBox 8 months ago 2
Ive read the article and still dont get this test. Whats the point in using 1 multifuel burner and two meth stoves, and the rest gas can stoves. Why not equal amount of each if u wanna mix it. Really poor test. Sry.
Maffu1973 8 months ago 2
Did any of the butane fuel canister stoves seam more stable than the others?
gerberboy0100 9 months ago
I knew it the trangia stove is a bunch of crap, almost the same thing you use in catering. ahahaha
afterthefox7 9 months ago
Nice idea for the test guys but make sure you know how the burners work before you start the test. That's clearly not how a trangia burner works. Nice job otherwise
HectorProInd 9 months ago
If you want to see how good the trangia stoves are then look at my videos.
These people really are a bunch of numpty's. What? Just put the pot on top of the trangia. With the simmer ring on!?!?!
nathanshepherd1 10 months ago 3
@nathanshepherd1
just about the stupidest they can get. they could have reviewed the other stoves w/o the trangia and this vid would have rocked.
inosarza12 7 months ago 2
No pocket rocket?
starshock01 10 months ago
What the hell where you thinking putting the pot directly on just the trangia burner!! >_<
theseriousaccount 10 months ago
Comparing gas stoves to alcohol stoves.. mmhmm.. like comparing machetes to swiss army knives. Sorry, but it's just not a fair comparison.
AjiraKimberly 10 months ago
As you even said Technically you should have a wind screen with alcohol stoves so they did not get a fair crack of working and as been said you have bought a trangia burner not a trangia cook system they are two different things. To get some credibility back I think you should do the whole thing again and maybe get someone in who knows how to work them.
putbinoot 10 months ago
I've used my Coleman Max stove for a few years now, and it boils four cups of water in about five minutes, however I use a lid. I never boil water with a lid off.....
Pir8AdventureLeague 10 months ago
I don't know what it's like where you live, but where I live, when you buy a Trangia it comes with all the wind shield etc. If you did this test here you guys would have bought the Trangia stove from the spare parts department. You didn't actually buy a Trangia stove, you bought a burner. Spare parts.
I've boiled more than 2 cups in a Trangia and 4 minutes.
TheZaneFace 11 months ago
You put the pot directly on top of the Trangia. That's guaranteed to nearly snuff it.
With any stove, you must let it breathe. What were you thinking?
TheJohn8765 11 months ago
good video, how many boils would these stoves manage before re-fueling??
engnca 11 months ago
i still swear by my snow peak GIGAPOWER.
playdrums 11 months ago
@apopj1 No, its not like that at all.
Cventures 11 months ago
Great video guys!
LTL220 1 year ago
Trangia Derp
StrongThongDonkey 1 year ago
Sorry, the MSR is a great stove... BUT... the big daddy of all bottle-fuel stoves is: the Primus Omnifuel. Fewest amount of parts. It can burn nearly any fuel (unlike the MSR), gasoline, diesel, JP's, alcohols, LP gas, kerosene. You can even get it in Ti if you're into that.
Also, like the others have said, the Trangia works great (and for many, mnay years) when it is properly used.
McFlyMpls 1 year ago
The Swiss Army stove is by far the best stove! Trangia when used to corrrectly is awesome and the parts of the stove can be used for other purposes. You did not read how to use the stove. I don't think it was a fair test! The stove should have been used correctly to have a fair test.
MaxBlith 1 year ago
Throw this bunch of high tech crap into the remote forest and try lasting a week with them. The swedish army trangia rules!!
reddog694uk 1 year ago
How much burn time do you get with those cannisters?
cliffcox66 1 year ago
But all in all, seriously, nice video to Itstactical in taking the time and all in making the video. It's all about, who knows? whats coming, and being prepared. But you cant compare bottles to oranges,... Big Bulky Tank & Bottle stoves. To Comfy, ideal,little orange alcohol buddies... They're in a class of their own.
Vidmary777 1 year ago
Oops. almost forgot. that almost hour long pop can stove was on one fill of 2.5 to 3 ounces of SOOT FREE denatured grain-alcohol enviromentally friendly STOVE-FUEL, you could purchase at WEST MARINE stores. It's for alcohol stoves and anything else you need denatured alcohol for (many uses) And of course 2 pop cans... You could find that anywhere and not have to pay an arm and a leg for it. Try getting a fire out of those cumbersome TANKS without a gadgety nozzle.. I have one!! I hate it!!!
Vidmary777 1 year ago
All alcohol stoves, factory built, but more so, homemade are remarkable works of engineering art in a very small humble package. And I would'nt doubt it in the least that Itstactical recognizes this. But I have a doodle,.. Tested it the other day. I have a pop can alcohol stove that lasted me almost an hour the other night. I boiled 4 1/2, 2 cup pots, in just under an hour. 1/2 cause the last pot was just about to boil. I'd like to attach it, but I dont know how to edit videos from big to small.
Vidmary777 1 year ago
I can't compare my coleman max "FAMILY" camping stove to my whimpy trail hiking alcohol stove?! Be it trangia, vargo, even homemade alcohol pennystoves,.. They're babies!! With or without windscreens... The Optimus, coleman(wich I have),Superfly (jimmy snuka*-*) Whisperlite, ect. other than the alcohol stoves,.. These are all the big boys toys. Stoves to take with you when you go camping with your family... And as agun17 said: did the BIG PRESSURE DRIVEN stoves come with fuel filled canisters?
Vidmary777 1 year ago
as stated by others the trangia failed because it needs a stand but it doesnt really matter as stated by the manufacturer it takes about 18 minutes to get 1Qt to a boil
silentknight2112 1 year ago
The Tangia went out because you only used the burner and not the hole stove.
A trangia when used properly with the stand and wind guard is the most wind and weather proof stove I have ever user.
the Trangia not a failure the user of the stove is a failure.
I think it is disingenuous to say you gave the alcohol stoves the same change as the others when you incorrectly used then.
meterbands 1 year ago 89
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@meterbands Please read the article and watch the video. This is how the stoves came from the manufacturer. Our point was that if these stoves required more than what was in the package they should have come from the manufacturer that way.
ITStactical 1 year ago
@ITStactical The Tangia has a wide rage of options when it comes to stands
including building one out of rocks whitch would serve as both
a stand and wind screen.
This is what your supposed to do with
the "As is" Trangia, although I bought a 10 dollar aluminum stand
and used a tinfoil wind screen.
If you consider the diffrence in cost
between the propane and alchol you have a lot left over to coustomize
with.
markp1313 1 year ago
@ITStactical
what was bought is a replacement buner not a full stove Trangia do many diffrent stoves that use the burner. thats like buying the gasburner but not the gascan and saying its a failer. please do some reserch befor you claim to do a test.
tibetangiant 1 year ago 2
@ITStactical
Yeah right.... As If the fuel canisters came with the stoves.
agun17 1 year ago
@ITStactical The Trangia stove comes in multiple types of kits, the lone stove is available, as there is a lot of aftermarket support for different stands, etc. But, it was intended to work with the trangia stove kits. So, in this respect, it does come from the manufacturer with what it needs. If their was a stand in place, it would have been better reviewed here (I think). I have a pile of stoves myself, but since purchasing the Trangia, the rest have been retired, just personal preference.
FloridaOutdoor 1 year ago
@ITStactical
Mine came with a superlight aluminium stand, works great.
You also kept the SIMMER ring on it, it won't boil fast if you have it set to simmer.
Your test failed, not the Trangia. I can't blow mine out once it's going.
Did you even let it warm up to bloom?
myblackabyss 1 year ago
@ITStactical Hmm. My MSR did not come with a fuel bottle. But that was over 20 years ago. ;-)
rdwilson713 1 year ago
@ITStactical
Nice introduction of the stoves. Thanks. But the Trangia is designed to be used with a separate setup. I do not think you know the Trangia stove system. If you did, you would never attempt to use the stove the way you did. The mini model has a cup-shaped frame that you can set the pot on top, and allow a space for the flame and oxygen to escape. But it is susceptible to wind.
protuberant 11 months ago
@ITStactical That burner was just a replacement burner for the whole kit. When you buy a trangia it comes with pots, a pan and all the wind guards. The trangia in this test was not really fair because it has to be used with it's base.
Jbizzle181 8 months ago 2
@ITStactical Sure, this may be the case, but you purchased the stove as a spare part...
Show me where Trangia says that the stove works on it's own? Show me where Trangia says the stove piece has been designed to be used on it's own?
Furthermore, you placed the simmer cap on it which even having it fully open is taking away alot of the heat as it closes off the jets, why not try it again with out the simmer cap on so the alcohol has oxygen to breathe.... (through the jets)
I use them in the army
BludgeIT 8 months ago 2
@ITStactical being a Retailer in the outdoor market i can tell you the use of the trangia is not done by the manufacturer recomendation when you buy the stove anywere in europe you buy it with windscreen potholder and pots thats how they come to us from the distributors ofcouse if you only order the burner you get the burner they are sold sepretly. Trangia is one of the oldest firms in outdoor cooking on the marked do some research before making videos where you use a product the wrong way
petervagt 7 months ago
@ITStactical
Perhaps something was lost in translation as they refer to the part you are calling a stove as a burner it is far from complete and if you ordered just it then you didn't get the whole stove.
JosofaRocks 7 months ago
@ITStactical
So did your whisperlite work without the fuel bottle? Because that's how it comes from the manufacturer.
agun17 7 months ago
@ITStactical BUT you didn't buy the Trangia Stove! You bought the stove burner 327550, and it is advertised as a burner. the Trangia Stove Kits come under model numbers 28-T, 25-2, 25-3, and Spirit Stove Kit. I don't work for Trangia, I just bought the trangia bc the alcohol stoves are superior in terms of the weight and size of the stove PLUS fuel over white gas stoves. The weight makes alcohol setups lighter to carry for any trip less than 9 days per person.
acquit 6 months ago
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w0r10ck 6 months ago
@ITStactical its because your a fucking idiot
StonedStill 5 months ago