They gave their security staff an ORDER to cease and desist an illegitimate activity. They were 100% in the right. You know this, and you are secretly proud of them, because they are your friends at UC Davis. Unfortunately, being a two party system, you have to tow the party line.
@mick7sp ...the average persons nightmare is a Tuesday morning for a cop. There is a thing that makes us great, it's called "law and order". It's what prevents the US from becoming Darfur or any one of a hundred other nightmares in the world. If Law and order fails, the country fails. "Occupy"...REALLY? They can't even occupy a room long enough to create a list of grievances...nothing more than a mob by definition! Spoiled brats that think whining will work vs. work and perseverance.
@95655guy Yolo County prosecutors said yesterday that they will NOT file charges against demonstrators at UC Davis who were pepper-sprayed by campus police during a Nov. 18 protest.
"We didn't feel there was sufficient information to warrant charges," said Michael Cabral, assistant chief deputy district attorney.
However.... "The D.A.'s office said the investigation into the POLICE handling of the incident was still ongoing."
@mick7sp ...actually, by YOUR logic we should have 5 or 6 times more police that we have now. Calculate the student body vs the PD headcount...what are the odds...10-1...20-1...even higher? I bet you are the first to vote to downsize the public safety and the the first to b!tc# when they have to use force. What were they supposed to do, use harsh language? Guess what, they did and it didn't work. If you're a closet anarchist, just say so. They are lucky they didnt get tased or worse.
What if as an OC you were surrounded by inmates preventing you from escaping? That is EXACTLY what happened here, they surrounded officers in an attempt to prevent them from removing their prisoner. If I prevent an officer from doing his duty, I fully expect something very, VERY bad to happen to me - be it tased or pepper sprayed or hit with a baton. An officer, surrounded, with a deadly weapon on his person must protect that weapon (from falling out of his control) and himself.
@95655guy Great point, that's why Pike should never be allowed to carry a deadly weapon again. Using your logic and you want to think they were actually prevented from leaving, then that is only another example of poor judgment used by the UCPD. They should never have followed Pike as he lead them into an ambush and allowed them too become surrounded.
Regardless of whether or not the students were breaking the law the simple fact that they were OC sprayed while sitting is excessive force and is the main issue here. If I did that to an inmate as a corrections officer I would lose my job.deserves to be OC sprayed like that. Not to mention law enforcement grade OC spray is significantly stronger than the mase you buy at a store.
@iamthediggler Protesters are not allowed to decide that they are going to go sit on private property and not leave. Then (obviously) police arrive to make you leave. So what did they do? They surrounded the police and told them they had to leave (but didn't let them leave). Then the police tell them that unless they let them leave they will spray them. They refuse. He shakes the can a long time before actually doing it. This was justifiable, and just somebody doing trying to do their job.
Katehi repeated that she takes full responsibility. She also said she wanted people to understand her specific actions:
“I explicitly directed the chief of police that violence should be avoided at all costs. It was the absolute last thing I ever wanted to happen,” she said.
Katehi said she directed police only to take down the tents. “My instructions were for no arrests and no police force.”
THANK YOU for showing how this REALLY happened! The protesters deserved to get pepper sprayed and arrested.... i wish this was the video being shown on the news....
Get your cams ready, the students can use more footage like this to show how far they will go to silence peaceful protest. The next round is scheduled at UCR regents meeting on Thursday, January 19th.
This is complete BS, love how things get slanted... look up "Vanguard Analysis of Pepper Spray Video" on Google, then maybe you will get it. Also, yes this is a democracy and yes people have the opportunity to share their displeasure with what it going on in society, get over it. I support my fellow students.
Just because the police were wrong (for you people that think that pepper spray is extreme) doesn't make the students right.
When you break the law, don't get butthurt when police take action. Threatening the police and chanting "fuck the police" really doesn't make shit better.
@DavidLister6000 Ummm most students are tax payers and I do believe that once someone is 18 yo, they are, by LAW, an adult. Get your facts straight. And as for the "dirty hippies" you speak of, they are in college making something of themselves! Maybe because they are more educated, they are more informed lol
As soon as he sprayed the first shot, the cops should have rushed him, tackled him, and cuffed him. As soon as he sprayed the second shot, and they did nothing, the students should have rushed him, tackled him and subdued him.
This is what happens when violent people are allowed at nonviolent people.
Unjustly arrested ehh? The police have every right to arrest you if you do not comply with their orders. They have power over you, if you break the law.
even if they told the student to leave they have no right for a pepper spray party, those students are paying for their studies at least give them the right to protest simple as that.
Those students were intentionally blockading the police and incercling them. They refused to move until the other students that were lawfully detained for breaking the law were released. That constitutes interference with police business and is in itself against the law. The police were well within their rights to pepper spray the un cooperative crowd blocking them from leaving.
"first amendment right!" YEAH MORON... if you are a LAW ABIDING CITIZEN! they were WARNED LONG BEFORE this happened that they were BREAKING THE LAW and had to leave.
@Faiz6589 That's part of the point. It was a group of peaceful students exercising their rights. The overreaction and inappropriate punishment did not fit the crime. The administration and police created the disturbance at an otherwise orderly gathering. Forget all the hype for a moment and ask yourself who created and posed the greatest danger to the campus. When the only cause of injury or true act of physical violence was the police.
@mick7sp You seem to be right..Due to this video, the only one who cause the injury to 'these' protesters are the police.All the violence was caused by the police..
@Icefrostfur - If these "occupy" idiots had the brains to at least have a direct beef to protest, I might have some respect, but they are SO disorganized all they can manage to do are "mic checks" and break every law they can - for what message? "Down with the 1%"? Really? Here is an idea...come up with solutions and push that agenda! I have about as much respect for "occupy" as I do for congress - neither can form a single rational thought.
@Icefrostfur - And yes, the DID bring it on themselves...or did your "artistic" eyes not actually watch the video? Disobeying the law by camping, refusing to take down the tents that we're illegal, disobeying a lawful request of a peace officer, interfering with the duties of a peace officer by surrounding the officers. These are all VIOLATIONS OF THE LAW plain and simple. They should be glad the officers didn't break out batons and tasers.
@Icefrostfur - really?! "held down and sprayed in the mouth!?" I must have counted over a hundred cell phones in just 20 seconds of that video. If that REALLY happened, SHOW ME THE VIDEO! There is NO WAY that happened and wasn't caught on video...so show me. WHo told you that? Some poor "student" who feels that going to school is too hard and too expensive? Show me video of "staff joining in" while you are at it.
funny, this isn't the picture the press painted of the incident. Those members of the campus pd who were suspended need to be re-instated and that joke of a Gov. needs to apologize.
You know, I'm a registered Democrat, and even before I saw this raw footage, I had to agree that the UC Davis PD was correct in their use of force. Now that I see the raw footage (police surrounded, "students" given more than ample time to comply with LAWFUL ORDERS provided by the police, I know my initial feelings are correct.
This is yet another "poor me" additude our population seems to employ when they don't feel like actually working.
@95655guy You think this was okay? Interesting. I would agree with you if this was something the students brought on themselves, but it was not. Staff joined in, do you think they would do such a thing without good cause, as they saw students beaten with batons? Some were forcefully held and pepper sprayed in the mouth, with can lead to inflammation and shut your trachea. KILLING the victim. You think that is a just act? Oh, poor me. I could die from this, but its okay.
The vast majority of the protesters clearly are empty-minded "useful idiots" doing and chanting whatever a one or two leaders fed them. The police were clearly very restrained in their response to a mob that could have turned extremely dangerous instantaneously on the command of the leaders.
The so-called OWS crowd needs to grow up and get a life. Their parents need to cut off their allowances and cellphone subscriptions.
The students who were pepper sparyed & arrested didn't receive medical treatment for 4 hours. I am from a country where cops serve citizens, I do not understand why Pike had to use pepper spray. Katehi provided students a permission to assemble, but she forgot about it and called police. She knew what was going to happen,and she didn't stop the cops. I went there 3 times and talked to the protestors, they were mild and peaceful. People who liked the police attack have been sending me hate mails.
This is where OWS can have it both ways, in playing the role of agitators, then playing the roles of victim when they push too far. The OWC supporters WANT this to occur as they need the victimhood stigma to further their phony cause. All this is done by a compliant press willing to only report the attack by Police, coincidentally glossing over any agitation conducted by the protesters, ignoring the repeated warning by law enforcement, and plethora of public laws protesters repeatedly violate.
The first clips I saw of this I was questioning the use of force. Now that I see that the Police were surrounded and that the protesters were blocking their egress, it is clear to me that the use of force was not only reasonable, but the police showed quite a bit of restraint.
@Icefrostfur Injuries were generally mild. Post a link to a hospital report and I will see your point. Also, If you are threatening police, and sitting on the sidewalk blocking them from handling their duties, you should be ready for some action. It isn't like they were attacked without warning. They chose to take a beating and pepper spray. Don't sign up for a fight if you don't want to get beat.
@dk4789, you're absolutely correct, the police should always back down when confronted by demonstrators wanting a confrontation. The government has no authority to impose law and order except as permitted by a democratic election by the people in violation of the law.
As others have intimated, no video from conservative or Republican groups should be believed or even permitted. Only videos from unions and solidarity movements have any validity.
Biased trash. If you want a "more complete account" then take the time to watch the whole 30 minutes of video, rather then expecting to get anything honest from a poorly-regarded political group on campus. Snipping 9 minutes of video out of 30 is an incredible injustice to what really happened.
This is only PART of what went on, you cannot judge a story just by the preview. I ask you, if you really care about preventing this in the future, to go to the website I listed and sign the petition.
If you want to stop this violence and get the bitch who caused this to resign from faculty, go to change.org and look up UC Davis. You can electronically sign the petition which is currently at 110,724 out of 150,000 needed votes to take action. In the article is a detailed account of what happened and why by staff. If you are truly against this, take the time to read the article and decide if you want to sign it. I ask for the sake of the students and staff who had to endure this violence.
@mick7sp Fantastic. We'll get there soon, despite the paid trolls and spinners. Many students and staff have put up descriptions of what happened, we are very close.
@Andy152R if you believe in a nation where the government has power over people's basic rights then you have a limited understanding of the constitution.
@Zoroaster85 See, I have a thorough understanding of the constitution. Their rights were to protest, not squat and make a mess of private or public property. THAT is different than peaceful protesting. It's going to be a never ending arguement. My personal opinion is that these kids are a bunch of crybaby pansies, and they should have gotten their ass beat by mommy and daddy growing up.
"As chancellor, I take full responsibility for what happened and have been reaching out to the entire UC Davis community to make sure we never subject any of our students to anything like that ever again." 12/02/11 - Chancellor Katehi
@mick7sp As if the cops attacked them out of the blue. As if the University and the police are responsible. It's not as if these legal adults are responsible for their own actions... no way. Because that would actually require some maturity in the situation.
@dennalilly As if the students were not first told (even encouraged) that they could peacefully protest. As if the students came there armed, wearing full on riot gear. If you want to be adult about it then look at intent. It's clear who showed up there prepared and staged for a battle. It's pretty sad to arm our children with an education and then use brute force to try and suppress it if used to invoke change.
@mick7sp Yeah, And then they made a mess of the entire campus, The administrator got upset and called the police to remove them from the property that he owns
The hippies then surrounded the police and refused to let them leave for 20 minutes, During this time they were warned to leave.
And none of this matters because the cops didnt dress in street clothes and the protesters weren't carrying AR-15s?
No, you have no idea what you are talking about, Shut the fuck up
@mick7sp That's like saying that a store invited you to come shop there and that should mean you can stay there as long as you want. If you did actually stay there past closing then the manager might be pissed and call the cops, wouldn't you think? I also like how you are essentially calling others children, get down off of your high horse.
@mick7sp That's a silly interpretation of what happened. If you are "told you can protest peacefully," does that also mean you can break multiple laws and threaten the police? Does that mean you can surround them and you'll only "let them leave" on the condition that they release people they've arrested for breaking the law? The police showed up "prepared... for a battle" because they know the disrespect these people have for the law.
@camcgee97 "UC Davis Chancellor Linda Katehi insists the school’s police department defied her orders last week that police should peacefully remove students from their protest site". "Multiple investigations and reviews are underway to learn why police – despite my explicit instructions that no force be used". They used force to gain access to the tents in the first place. In the process create a unsafe environment endangering not only the protester, but every student on campus.
@mick7sp It is the job of the police to show up ready for what comes up you knucklehead. Fact, the "protesters" were given a LAWFUL ORDER to vacate the premises. Fact, the "protesters" clearly disobeyed that order. Fact, the video shows the protesters surrounding the police and demanding the police release their arestees. Fact, the police showed great restraint in what they did. As a Use of Force Expert who has testified in court several times, I say. Good Show Police.
@DavidsRants You seem more like an emotional person off on a rant as your name implies. As real police experts have already pointed out. The lack of experience by the police was evident by allowing themselves to be surrounded in the first place. Most likely because they did not perceive a real threat. Lack of threat shown by Pike calmly patting protesters on the back and smiling. Clearly not the actions of a threaten man.
We are a nation of laws, hence the word Republic in the definition of our country.We are NOT a Democracy where "mob rules".
...Seems like these students have not been taught the difference by their professors.More then likely by design. When these students decided to block the police officers from leaving, they broke the law, and then again when they resisted arrest.It's high time we hold these people and others accountable for their own actions. It's called personal responsibility.
Technically we are a Representative Democracy and technically the students were doing exactly what they have been instructed, stand up for your rights and invoke change when necessary.
I'm sorry did you say that the Occupy Protesters had a "violent nature?" Is this what you want to believe? Where in the video do you see a protester attack an officer? 100,000 people took to the streets in Athens and never got pepper sprayed by their police. These kids were sitting down.
@Zoroaster85 The thing these protesters and you don't realize is those MK9 canisters the police have don't just effect your eyes. That stuff gets into your respiratory tract, on your skin and elsewhere. I think these little peckerheads deserved what they got - disbursed. They were warned and warned again. It's funny how when I was a cop, people would tell me I'm being disrespectful when I was being perfectly nice, yet they would yell profanities and threaten me. Same thing going on here.
@dennalilly A COP says it was OK? So you rest your CASE? Ha! Mental slavery is what you are bound by Sir. Also they are called Law Enforcement Officers... not "COPS", your arguments lose all legitimacy with that kind of talk. Ha! You are the weakest link.
boy, the police sure fucked up. royally. even after pepper spraying seated peaceful protesters, they couldn't execute arrests, they are so fat and weak. complete failure at crowd control and arrest, even with inappropriate and illegal use of force. there was zero interference from the crowd in any arrest (on that piece of film, or claimed by the cops). thank goodness for stupid cops and ignorant administration and political leaders, to expose their own illegitimacy and failures.
I feel like most people don't realize that pepper spray, while extremely painful, fades quickly. 20 years ago, it would have been batons and shields. These "kids" are all fine. Also, encircling someone and threatening them is an act of violence. I am 22, a student, and a grown man. I work at a fish market. These people really are children.
@supermanizationable There were faculty staff that joined in when they saw the injustice occurring. You think pepper spray isn't so bad? One student was hacking up blood, an hour after being sprayed. Some were held forcefully and sprayed in the mouth. There were batons, many were beaten.
Blockade? Is this a joke? The protesters that got sprayed in the face had their backs turned, and the cop that did it stepped over the "blockade" and sprayed them in the face. Of course a Republican would make the comments in the video. What else would you expect from them?
@Zoroaster85 As I mentioned before, it would be risky for all of those cops to step over those students. What if they had grabbed their legs and/or turned violent, which is plausible given the violent nature of many other Occupy protests? It would have been stupid to step over them. The cop visibly told the student that he would spray them, and visibly shook the spray for more than enough time for the students to move. Also stereotyping Republicans (or anyone) makes you look stupid.
Thanks for the post! Now everyone can see what gutless, frightened, instruments of control the police had devolved into. The cops made no attempt to arrest the kids sitting on the sidewalk, gave them no chance to resist... just attacked, with a weapon... anyone else attacks someone with no legal right gets in legal trouble. Are police above the law? @bhlmquist11 If an officer wants to fuck your mother YOU'd BETTER LET HIM, he probly has a damn good reason.... jackass.
@finight9 The cops arrested them after they refused to let the cops leave. That first cop with the pepper spray who took authority? He gave those students way more than enough time to move. He told them he would spray them. They knew they would be sprayed. Policemen are not above the law, no. They did absolutely nothing wrong here.
All I see is a bunch of spoiled kids being a nuisance, and considering it's on the schools property they have no right to shout vulgar sayings while also being extremely disrespectful to the cops who are simply doing their job and asked relatively appropriately for them to leave or suffer the consequences.
@scarycomments "All I see is a bunch of spoiled kids being a nuisance, and considering it's on the schools property they have no right to shout vulgar sayings while also being extremely disrespectful to the cops who are simply doing their job and asked relatively appropriately for them to leave or suffer the consequences." Good point.
@plaze2 I agree. im part of the 99% in the military, a student that takes 2x the class load then full time. afgan vet. but yet my face will never be seen as part of the 99% to the media.
the nor cal kids need the color. A little pepper sprat makes for an amazing story 30 years down the road. Be happy it's the US and that spray wasn't napalm. Fucking hippies.
Raven05R6 needs to read The Roots of the UC Davis Pepperspraying by Glen Greenwald. The comments we see on this page perfectly represent what me meant when he said: "At the root of all of those views is the classic authoritarian mindset: reflexive support for authority, contempt for those who challenge them, and a blind faith in their unilateral, unchecked decisions regarding who is Bad and deserves state-issued punishment."
@deekyoo Perfect straw-man arguing, thanks for your worthless words.
Here is an example of your reasoning, if you are for vaccines and state your opinion, you obviously are part of "Big Pharma". Listen, the campus police were following procedure. I might not agree with their actions, but they are justified by the current laws.
I personally support the ideals of getting rid of corporate greed and strengthening control over government spending, but I believe this is the wrong way to take action.
This was not police brutality, nor a "flexing of authoritarian control"
The beating and firehosing of protesters during the civil rights movement was police brutality, the removal of Oakland Occupy protesters was police brutality, pepper spraying people with fair warning who refuse to move IS NOT POLICE BRUTALITY. Pepper spray is used to avoid injury of both parties when police make an arrest. Pepper spray causes no permanent injury, just a few hours of diminishing discomfort.
@thelevitator I'm sorry, but have you ever been sprayed? I have, and while very painful and debilitating to the senses, it is definitely not very dangerous and wears off rather quickly. 60 people dying a year means nothing statistically, as pepper-spray is sold over-the-counter and many people carry it for personal defense.
You people need to seriously wake up out of the dream factory as you are making the OWS movement look childish. While it started off well, it has turned into a shit show.
You can't pepper spray a convicted violent felon in the midst of a prison riot if he sits down. But sitting, peaceful protestors at an institute of higher learning? Fair game.
@deekyoo That is a completely different issue. In a prison riot, anyone who is sitting down is NOT PARTICIPATING. These protesters refused to move when asked to leave private property as they are trespassing. See the difference, or are you just blinded by ignorance?
@deekyoo I don't know much about prison laws, but I'm assuming that in most cases, the said convicted felon sitting down would do so peacefully and not defying police orders. These seated students were arrogant, disgustingly rude ("Fuck the police!"), and knew they would be sprayed if they didn't move out of the police's way. Protesting is one thing; trapping cops within a group of potentially violent people is another.
@dennalilly I see a cop calmly stepping OVER the protesters, in order that he may attack them with a weapon on the very side he was being 'prevented' from reaching as you say, It proves your point of view to be just silly.
If that cop wanted to rape your mother I think you'd be down. "That cop let everyone know he was gonna rape her... when a cop says to do something? you do it. She got 'herself' raped."
@finight9 Your logic doesn't make any sense. A cop fulfilling his duties in a controversial situation is one thing; a cop raping someone is another. Your analogy has no logic whatsoever.
So fine, they punch you mother, break her nose, whatever...because you are the spineless fucker who would go along with it as long as it wasn't happening to you.
But then, one day it will be happening to you, YOU, you yourself and you never did anything to prevent it, just played complicit with the cops. Cause,"If police say something" you do it!" You are an uncle tom on this plantation... Loves his slavemasters. RESPECT others in order to RESPECT yourself.
If that officer managed to simply step over the student blockade, why did he pepper spray them? Why didn't they all leave the circle this way? Large-scale strategy. As has been unfortunately proven by the events at UCD, unnecessary police action only tends to develop an ever-more squandered rage within protesters, conversely decreasing any chance of having meaningful "mic-checks". I can't stand the American right... but I also can't stand stupid hippies!! I guess I'm just a living paradox...
If that officer managed to simply step over the student blockade, why did he pepper spray them? Why didn't they all leave the circle this way? Large-scale strategy. As has been unfortunately proven by the events at UCD, unnecessary police action only tends to develop an ever-more squandered rage within protesters, conversely decreasing any chance of having meaningful "mic-checks". I can't stand the American right... but I also can't stupid hippies!! I guess I'm just a living paradox...
@rreeddppeenn for the sake of objectivity, looking back at the tape, you can clearly see the officer grasping a student's arm and pulling on it without the student getting up, then making an arm motion that indicates something along the lines of "ok, continue to sit, you know what is coming". it isn't just a tap on the shoulder...
why does this have to be a republicans vs. democrats issue? Why do we insist as a country upon making everything a red vs. blue issue. I'm not on the protester's side cause I'm also liberal, I'm on their side cause I don't like seeing my fellow students getting sprayed on campus. Occupy UCD may have disobeyed to police, but as a policeman, you have to be aware of the town you live and work it. Its obvious that kind of stuff doesn't fly here.
despite the initial immaturity of some of the crowd ("fuck the police"? really? youre asking them to let people go by saying "fuck you"? -.-), it doesnt look like the cops were really trying to leave. their huge spread made it look more like they were trying to surround the group. anyway, the point is the cops shouldnt have been there in the first place. the pepper spray was excessive, also.
"an office tries to remove a protester"... seriously? he just tapped him on the shoulder.
@chuckchoe I hope you're talking about the police. Because it's clear the only people breaking the law are the cops here. Taking away our first amendment right to protest.
Have your ever read The Bill of Rights? Give it a glance sometime.
@Solar2 The police arrested those first students because they refused to take down their tents, not because they were there because of the protests, but because those tents violated campus policy. When you are a college student, you sign a contract with the university / school in which you agree to adhere to these rules and regulations that include these kinds of things. These students are breaking campus rules and violating their contracts, while the police are just doing their jobs.
Ok, lets run with your rules scenario for a sec. If you mark out side the little box on the test (also a rule) you should be subjected to being pulled from class by the police? If when the students violated a campus rule then first and foremost the campus rule process should have been used. "The Official Disciplinary Process" was violated by the administration. The police should have never been called upon.
to the idiots saying that it's the protesters fault because they didn't listen to the cops, i simply reference Rosa Parks. now shut your stupid face up.
@markuskentwood I doubt Rosa Parks chanted things like "I'm allowed to fight; fuck all whites". Rosa Parks is not a suitable analogy; she resisted calmly and respectfully as possible. That is NOT the case with most Occupy protests.
the cops obviously can leave whenever they want, that's not the point.
The protest had gotten to the point that the Police Chief decided they were a nuisance and needed to disband. There is always a point where the police must step in and take action.
When police order you to do something, you DO IT or suffer consequences. There was obviously ample time and warning, the crowd just got more belligerent and resistant.
The pepper spray may have been excessive, but something had to be done.
@bholmquist11 1. The cops could not just simply leave whenever they wanted to because A. they had to be there to ensure the event didn't get out of hand, which it did; and B. it would be dangerous for all of the cops to climb over the students. Read my other comments. 2. The police didn't step in and take action because the protest was 'a nuisance'; it was because A. they were violating campus policy; and B. they were physically threatening the cops by refusing to let them leave.
@dennalilly I see a cop calmly stepping OVER the protesters, in order that he may attack them with a weapon on the very side he was being 'prevented' from reaching as you say, It proves your point of view to be just silly.
If that cop wanted to rape your mother I think you'd be down. "That cop let everyone know he was gonna rape her... when a cop says to do something? you do it. She got 'herself' raped."
@dennalilly so which is it? that "hey had to be there to ensure the event didn't get out of hand" or because "they were physically threatening the cops by refusing to let them leave." ?? i'm confused...
@dennalilly so which is it? that "they had to be there to ensure the event didn't get out of hand" or because "they were physically threatening the cops by refusing to let them leave." ?? i'm confused...
@bholmquist11 Therefore, the pepper spray was not excessive. It was used because the seated students defied the cops in this context, as well as it aided in the arrest.
@bholmquist11 I see a cop calmly stepping OVER the protesters, in order that he may attack them with a weapon on the very side he was being 'prevented' from reaching as you say, It proves your point of view to be just silly.
If that cop wanted to rape your mother I think you'd be down. "That cop let everyone know he was gonna rape her... when a cop says to do something? you do it. She got 'herself' raped."
@bholmquist11 Did you actually read the report? These were vicious attacks made on peaceful protesters. Some got pepper sprayed in the MOUTH while being held still, which can severely damage. People were hospitalized, hacking up blood. We have a right to protest and because they sat down with linked arms guarding their rights they were pepper sprayed. Not for violence, and WITHOUT warning. Faculty staff joined in despite the pepper spraying, beatings and arresting.
@Icefrostfur first, did you actually watch the video? This was a 20 minute escalation of agression from a growing crowd which climaxed in the pepper spray. There was AMPLE warning; the video shows the cops holding and shaking pepper spray for minutes and telling the protesters what was going to happen.
I AGREE that the way the pepper spray was used was excessive, from what I know it should not be sprayed that close... but besides standing back a bit I don't see what better option there was.
@bholmquist11 You do realize this was not a beginning to end type of thing? In other places, because this was a full campus ordeal, it was a lot worse and the higher ups are trying to twist it to be violent kids rather than what it really was. Staff got involved when they saw the injustice, the petition I linked under gives more in depth on staff help to the students. People were pepper sprayed in the mouth, which can shut your trachea and KILL you. They have a right to group.
@Icefrostfur It doesn't matter how dangerous the pepper spray is... the students KNEW and CHOSE to be sprayed with it. When they chose to be sprayed, they chose whatever consequences came along with it.
@dennalilly You are in mental prison. Break free! Only you have the key. Don't be an Uncle Tom on this plantation! You would watch your own mother be attacked as long as you could keep being a "HOUSE NEGRO". For Shame.
@dennalilly Staff joined in, do you think they would support something the students brought on themselves? Geoffrey O’Brien, a professor, got beaten with a baton. Do you think forcefully holding someones mouth open and spraying pepper spray down their throat; which could cause inflammation thereby closing the trachea and killing the victim, is an okay police tactic? Hmm. Interesting, your views. I respect you as I do everyone though I question your sources for your opinions.
It never ceases to amaze me that a lot of "conservatives" side with the cops. If you knew anything about America, you would understand that you aren't really conservative, you're authoritarian, and YOU are anti-american. Protesting the government is the most American thing and American can do. You are advocating for more rules, not less. That is not conservative.
@cheezombie I'm conservative and I side with these cops. I thought they handled the situation quite well. You are misinformed; the definition of 'authoritarian' is 'favoring complete obedience or subjection to authority AS OPPOSED to individual freedom'. That is the exact opposite of conservative ideals; we want less governmental control in the private sector. I do not advocate more rules personally; quite the opposite.
@dennalilly I never claimed that all "conservatives" think this way. We're actually in agreement. There are people out there that claim to be conservative when in fact they're really authoritarian corporate whores. I'm glad that you're a real conservative. Ron Paul is a real conservative. None of the other candidates are.
@cheezombie I have to mostly agree with you there; too many people claim to be one thing or another when really they haven't done their homework and know absolutely nothing about what they speak. Ron Paul is okay, though he would not be my first choice, personally. Of course, he's WAY better than Mitt Romney... ugh... *shudder*
They did not give the police an "ultimatum."
They gave their security staff an ORDER to cease and desist an illegitimate activity. They were 100% in the right. You know this, and you are secretly proud of them, because they are your friends at UC Davis. Unfortunately, being a two party system, you have to tow the party line.
Pity.
romulan227 7 hours ago
@mick7sp ...the average persons nightmare is a Tuesday morning for a cop. There is a thing that makes us great, it's called "law and order". It's what prevents the US from becoming Darfur or any one of a hundred other nightmares in the world. If Law and order fails, the country fails. "Occupy"...REALLY? They can't even occupy a room long enough to create a list of grievances...nothing more than a mob by definition! Spoiled brats that think whining will work vs. work and perseverance.
95655guy 1 month ago
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@95655guy Yolo County prosecutors said yesterday that they will NOT file charges against demonstrators at UC Davis who were pepper-sprayed by campus police during a Nov. 18 protest.
"We didn't feel there was sufficient information to warrant charges," said Michael Cabral, assistant chief deputy district attorney.
However.... "The D.A.'s office said the investigation into the POLICE handling of the incident was still ongoing."
mick7sp 1 month ago
@mick7sp ...actually, by YOUR logic we should have 5 or 6 times more police that we have now. Calculate the student body vs the PD headcount...what are the odds...10-1...20-1...even higher? I bet you are the first to vote to downsize the public safety and the the first to b!tc# when they have to use force. What were they supposed to do, use harsh language? Guess what, they did and it didn't work. If you're a closet anarchist, just say so. They are lucky they didnt get tased or worse.
95655guy 1 month ago
What if as an OC you were surrounded by inmates preventing you from escaping? That is EXACTLY what happened here, they surrounded officers in an attempt to prevent them from removing their prisoner. If I prevent an officer from doing his duty, I fully expect something very, VERY bad to happen to me - be it tased or pepper sprayed or hit with a baton. An officer, surrounded, with a deadly weapon on his person must protect that weapon (from falling out of his control) and himself.
95655guy 1 month ago
@95655guy Great point, that's why Pike should never be allowed to carry a deadly weapon again. Using your logic and you want to think they were actually prevented from leaving, then that is only another example of poor judgment used by the UCPD. They should never have followed Pike as he lead them into an ambush and allowed them too become surrounded.
mick7sp 1 month ago
Regardless of whether or not the students were breaking the law the simple fact that they were OC sprayed while sitting is excessive force and is the main issue here. If I did that to an inmate as a corrections officer I would lose my job.deserves to be OC sprayed like that. Not to mention law enforcement grade OC spray is significantly stronger than the mase you buy at a store.
iamthediggler 1 month ago
@iamthediggler No one*
iamthediggler 1 month ago
@iamthediggler Protesters are not allowed to decide that they are going to go sit on private property and not leave. Then (obviously) police arrive to make you leave. So what did they do? They surrounded the police and told them they had to leave (but didn't let them leave). Then the police tell them that unless they let them leave they will spray them. They refuse. He shakes the can a long time before actually doing it. This was justifiable, and just somebody doing trying to do their job.
clarkboutwell 3 weeks ago
After watching this video, anyone who supports the students is a complete retard....
nvryder 1 month ago
@nvryder Katehi’s instructions
Katehi repeated that she takes full responsibility. She also said she wanted people to understand her specific actions:
“I explicitly directed the chief of police that violence should be avoided at all costs. It was the absolute last thing I ever wanted to happen,” she said.
Katehi said she directed police only to take down the tents. “My instructions were for no arrests and no police force.”
mick7sp 1 month ago
THANK YOU for showing how this REALLY happened! The protesters deserved to get pepper sprayed and arrested.... i wish this was the video being shown on the news....
ELBARTO3519 1 month ago
Get your cams ready, the students can use more footage like this to show how far they will go to silence peaceful protest. The next round is scheduled at UCR regents meeting on Thursday, January 19th.
mick7sp 1 month ago
This is complete BS, love how things get slanted... look up "Vanguard Analysis of Pepper Spray Video" on Google, then maybe you will get it. Also, yes this is a democracy and yes people have the opportunity to share their displeasure with what it going on in society, get over it. I support my fellow students.
illegalmonkie 2 months ago
Just because the police were wrong (for you people that think that pepper spray is extreme) doesn't make the students right.
When you break the law, don't get butthurt when police take action. Threatening the police and chanting "fuck the police" really doesn't make shit better.
wpengsta 2 months ago
These (misguided) protesters would have disbanded on their own given enough time. Police action just erodes our freedoms.
tomintroy 2 months ago
somebody giggled at 8:02
huh
MrScriblam 2 months ago
Silly hippies..rights are for adults and tax payers.
DavidLister6000 2 months ago
@DavidLister6000 Ummm most students are tax payers and I do believe that once someone is 18 yo, they are, by LAW, an adult. Get your facts straight. And as for the "dirty hippies" you speak of, they are in college making something of themselves! Maybe because they are more educated, they are more informed lol
illegalmonkie 2 months ago
"Come on guys this is dangerous lets just get some pizza"- The wisest thing i've heard in 2011 after all the shit thats happening into the world.
ForFoodHeThought 2 months ago
As soon as he sprayed the first shot, the cops should have rushed him, tackled him, and cuffed him. As soon as he sprayed the second shot, and they did nothing, the students should have rushed him, tackled him and subdued him.
This is what happens when violent people are allowed at nonviolent people.
ChortortleC 2 months ago
Fukken hipster's, get a job.
Fabbriank 2 months ago
4:19 "This is what Democracy looks like!"
So Democracy looks like an angry mob?
lebandit89 2 months ago
@lebandit89 This is what it looks like when inappropriate judgments are made to justify the use of force and violence to silence a peaceful assembly.
mick7sp 2 months ago
@lebandit89 Democracy is mob rule. That is why we live in a Republic.
DavidsRants 1 month ago
@DavidsRants "The United States is the world's oldest surviving federation. It is a constitutional republic and representative democracy"
mick7sp 1 month ago
In the good old days the would`ve bashed their heads in with batons... serves them right.
Lorbera 2 months ago
Are these good places to pick up chicks? just wondering
skiie 2 months ago 3
I can understand disrespecting the system since it's full of fuckers, but this can only be described by the word "jackwagon".
GilfFinger 2 months ago
Unjustly arrested ehh? The police have every right to arrest you if you do not comply with their orders. They have power over you, if you break the law.
GaiaOnline777 2 months ago
even if they told the student to leave they have no right for a pepper spray party, those students are paying for their studies at least give them the right to protest simple as that.
MadridHopper005 2 months ago
@MadridHopper005
Those students were intentionally blockading the police and incercling them. They refused to move until the other students that were lawfully detained for breaking the law were released. That constitutes interference with police business and is in itself against the law. The police were well within their rights to pepper spray the un cooperative crowd blocking them from leaving.
Candy8RTA8 2 months ago
@MadridHopper005 One better, the students are funding the police. No students no school, no need for the police.
mick7sp 2 months ago
"first amendment right!" YEAH MORON... if you are a LAW ABIDING CITIZEN! they were WARNED LONG BEFORE this happened that they were BREAKING THE LAW and had to leave.
StrengthFromAbove83 2 months ago
Protesters??Pffft more like Bunch of Children....
Faiz6589 2 months ago
@Faiz6589 That's part of the point. It was a group of peaceful students exercising their rights. The overreaction and inappropriate punishment did not fit the crime. The administration and police created the disturbance at an otherwise orderly gathering. Forget all the hype for a moment and ask yourself who created and posed the greatest danger to the campus. When the only cause of injury or true act of physical violence was the police.
mick7sp 2 months ago
@mick7sp You seem to be right..Due to this video, the only one who cause the injury to 'these' protesters are the police.All the violence was caused by the police..
Faiz6589 2 months ago
@Icefrostfur - If these "occupy" idiots had the brains to at least have a direct beef to protest, I might have some respect, but they are SO disorganized all they can manage to do are "mic checks" and break every law they can - for what message? "Down with the 1%"? Really? Here is an idea...come up with solutions and push that agenda! I have about as much respect for "occupy" as I do for congress - neither can form a single rational thought.
95655guy 2 months ago
@Icefrostfur - And yes, the DID bring it on themselves...or did your "artistic" eyes not actually watch the video? Disobeying the law by camping, refusing to take down the tents that we're illegal, disobeying a lawful request of a peace officer, interfering with the duties of a peace officer by surrounding the officers. These are all VIOLATIONS OF THE LAW plain and simple. They should be glad the officers didn't break out batons and tasers.
95655guy 2 months ago
@Icefrostfur - really?! "held down and sprayed in the mouth!?" I must have counted over a hundred cell phones in just 20 seconds of that video. If that REALLY happened, SHOW ME THE VIDEO! There is NO WAY that happened and wasn't caught on video...so show me. WHo told you that? Some poor "student" who feels that going to school is too hard and too expensive? Show me video of "staff joining in" while you are at it.
95655guy 2 months ago
funny, this isn't the picture the press painted of the incident. Those members of the campus pd who were suspended need to be re-instated and that joke of a Gov. needs to apologize.
AJS0121 2 months ago
You know, I'm a registered Democrat, and even before I saw this raw footage, I had to agree that the UC Davis PD was correct in their use of force. Now that I see the raw footage (police surrounded, "students" given more than ample time to comply with LAWFUL ORDERS provided by the police, I know my initial feelings are correct.
This is yet another "poor me" additude our population seems to employ when they don't feel like actually working.
95655guy 2 months ago
@95655guy You think this was okay? Interesting. I would agree with you if this was something the students brought on themselves, but it was not. Staff joined in, do you think they would do such a thing without good cause, as they saw students beaten with batons? Some were forcefully held and pepper sprayed in the mouth, with can lead to inflammation and shut your trachea. KILLING the victim. You think that is a just act? Oh, poor me. I could die from this, but its okay.
Icefrostfur 2 months ago
The vast majority of the protesters clearly are empty-minded "useful idiots" doing and chanting whatever a one or two leaders fed them. The police were clearly very restrained in their response to a mob that could have turned extremely dangerous instantaneously on the command of the leaders.
The so-called OWS crowd needs to grow up and get a life. Their parents need to cut off their allowances and cellphone subscriptions.
blainenay 2 months ago
Well this paints a different story doesn't it?
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roseville88 2 months ago
Flame throwers would have been a lot more fun to watch, but pepper spray wasn't too bad.
QWERTY34990 2 months ago
Female Protestor: "What are you gonna do with that [pepper spray], huh?" (around 6:50)
And she's a college student? No wonder the California educational system has gone to hell.
MrKnowitall94 2 months ago
The students who were pepper sparyed & arrested didn't receive medical treatment for 4 hours. I am from a country where cops serve citizens, I do not understand why Pike had to use pepper spray. Katehi provided students a permission to assemble, but she forgot about it and called police. She knew what was going to happen,and she didn't stop the cops. I went there 3 times and talked to the protestors, they were mild and peaceful. People who liked the police attack have been sending me hate mails.
lvcappuccino 2 months ago
This is where OWS can have it both ways, in playing the role of agitators, then playing the roles of victim when they push too far. The OWC supporters WANT this to occur as they need the victimhood stigma to further their phony cause. All this is done by a compliant press willing to only report the attack by Police, coincidentally glossing over any agitation conducted by the protesters, ignoring the repeated warning by law enforcement, and plethora of public laws protesters repeatedly violate.
cousincreep 2 months ago
One of the cops has a paintbull gun? lol 7:43
dacoolray 2 months ago
The first clips I saw of this I was questioning the use of force. Now that I see that the Police were surrounded and that the protesters were blocking their egress, it is clear to me that the use of force was not only reasonable, but the police showed quite a bit of restraint.
DavidsRants 2 months ago
The "occupy" movement, what a joke.
brandonvanessa 2 months ago
@Icefrostfur Injuries were generally mild. Post a link to a hospital report and I will see your point. Also, If you are threatening police, and sitting on the sidewalk blocking them from handling their duties, you should be ready for some action. It isn't like they were attacked without warning. They chose to take a beating and pepper spray. Don't sign up for a fight if you don't want to get beat.
supermanizationable 2 months ago
This is horrible, cops abusing power. They were clearly able to leave, they just wanted to pick a fight.
dk4789 2 months ago
@dk4789, you're absolutely correct, the police should always back down when confronted by demonstrators wanting a confrontation. The government has no authority to impose law and order except as permitted by a democratic election by the people in violation of the law.
As others have intimated, no video from conservative or Republican groups should be believed or even permitted. Only videos from unions and solidarity movements have any validity.
Recon135 2 months ago
This is such a poorly edited video, you should have hired Fox News to do it for you.
b0yvoid 2 months ago
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b0yvoid 2 months ago
Biased trash. If you want a "more complete account" then take the time to watch the whole 30 minutes of video, rather then expecting to get anything honest from a poorly-regarded political group on campus. Snipping 9 minutes of video out of 30 is an incredible injustice to what really happened.
TogaLive 2 months ago
took em long enough to finally spray em. They should have released the k9's on them in my awesome opinion. Winy college students, grow the eff up.
kyloooooo 2 months ago
you are an idiot -- if one cop could step over the protesters they all could.. they (the protesters) were stopping nothing you rightwing shitbag...
the pigs were looking for a fight that the peaceful protesters refused to give.
edbnev 2 months ago
@edbnev I rest my case in my previous comments on this detail. I disagree. But when you call cops 'pigs', your comments lose legitimacy. Grow up.
dennalilly 2 months ago
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This is only PART of what went on, you cannot judge a story just by the preview. I ask you, if you really care about preventing this in the future, to go to the website I listed and sign the petition.
Icefrostfur 2 months ago
If you want to stop this violence and get the bitch who caused this to resign from faculty, go to change.org and look up UC Davis. You can electronically sign the petition which is currently at 110,724 out of 150,000 needed votes to take action. In the article is a detailed account of what happened and why by staff. If you are truly against this, take the time to read the article and decide if you want to sign it. I ask for the sake of the students and staff who had to endure this violence.
Icefrostfur 2 months ago
@Icefrostfur The petition is up to 111,405 now, despite the best efforts of the spin doctors to twist the root cause.
mick7sp 2 months ago
@mick7sp Fantastic. We'll get there soon, despite the paid trolls and spinners. Many students and staff have put up descriptions of what happened, we are very close.
Icefrostfur 2 months ago
@Andy152R if you believe in a nation where the government has power over people's basic rights then you have a limited understanding of the constitution.
Zoroaster85 2 months ago
@Zoroaster85 See, I have a thorough understanding of the constitution. Their rights were to protest, not squat and make a mess of private or public property. THAT is different than peaceful protesting. It's going to be a never ending arguement. My personal opinion is that these kids are a bunch of crybaby pansies, and they should have gotten their ass beat by mommy and daddy growing up.
Andy152R 2 months ago
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"As chancellor, I take full responsibility for what happened and have been reaching out to the entire UC Davis community to make sure we never subject any of our students to anything like that ever again." 12/02/11 - Chancellor Katehi
mick7sp 2 months ago
@mick7sp As if the cops attacked them out of the blue. As if the University and the police are responsible. It's not as if these legal adults are responsible for their own actions... no way. Because that would actually require some maturity in the situation.
dennalilly 2 months ago
@dennalilly As if the students were not first told (even encouraged) that they could peacefully protest. As if the students came there armed, wearing full on riot gear. If you want to be adult about it then look at intent. It's clear who showed up there prepared and staged for a battle. It's pretty sad to arm our children with an education and then use brute force to try and suppress it if used to invoke change.
mick7sp 2 months ago 18
@mick7sp Yeah, And then they made a mess of the entire campus, The administrator got upset and called the police to remove them from the property that he owns
The hippies then surrounded the police and refused to let them leave for 20 minutes, During this time they were warned to leave.
And none of this matters because the cops didnt dress in street clothes and the protesters weren't carrying AR-15s?
No, you have no idea what you are talking about, Shut the fuck up
nefets99 2 months ago
@mick7sp That's like saying that a store invited you to come shop there and that should mean you can stay there as long as you want. If you did actually stay there past closing then the manager might be pissed and call the cops, wouldn't you think? I also like how you are essentially calling others children, get down off of your high horse.
Piehash 2 months ago
@mick7sp That's a silly interpretation of what happened. If you are "told you can protest peacefully," does that also mean you can break multiple laws and threaten the police? Does that mean you can surround them and you'll only "let them leave" on the condition that they release people they've arrested for breaking the law? The police showed up "prepared... for a battle" because they know the disrespect these people have for the law.
camcgee97 2 months ago 2
@camcgee97 "UC Davis Chancellor Linda Katehi insists the school’s police department defied her orders last week that police should peacefully remove students from their protest site". "Multiple investigations and reviews are underway to learn why police – despite my explicit instructions that no force be used". They used force to gain access to the tents in the first place. In the process create a unsafe environment endangering not only the protester, but every student on campus.
mick7sp 2 months ago
@camcgee97 Me silly?
What part of "NO" in "no force" is unclear?
mick7sp 2 months ago
@mick7sp It is the job of the police to show up ready for what comes up you knucklehead. Fact, the "protesters" were given a LAWFUL ORDER to vacate the premises. Fact, the "protesters" clearly disobeyed that order. Fact, the video shows the protesters surrounding the police and demanding the police release their arestees. Fact, the police showed great restraint in what they did. As a Use of Force Expert who has testified in court several times, I say. Good Show Police.
DavidsRants 1 month ago
@DavidsRants You seem more like an emotional person off on a rant as your name implies. As real police experts have already pointed out. The lack of experience by the police was evident by allowing themselves to be surrounded in the first place. Most likely because they did not perceive a real threat. Lack of threat shown by Pike calmly patting protesters on the back and smiling. Clearly not the actions of a threaten man.
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toogawn 2 months ago
We are a nation of laws, hence the word Republic in the definition of our country.We are NOT a Democracy where "mob rules".
...Seems like these students have not been taught the difference by their professors.More then likely by design. When these students decided to block the police officers from leaving, they broke the law, and then again when they resisted arrest.It's high time we hold these people and others accountable for their own actions. It's called personal responsibility.
toogawn 2 months ago
@toogawn Amen.
Andy152R 2 months ago
@toogawn
Technically we are a Representative Democracy and technically the students were doing exactly what they have been instructed, stand up for your rights and invoke change when necessary.
mick7sp 2 months ago
@mick7sp and pay the price for resisting the law
tykuresa22 2 months ago
@mick7sp See there's technically and actually. You are both technically and actually wrong.
Siceone 2 months ago
@Siceone It's said that a man that is critical of others, but offers no better answer is either a fool or ignorant.
mick7sp 2 months ago
@mick7sp yeah, well, there is a respectful way to do it, and a stupid way to do it.
StrengthFromAbove83 2 months ago
I'm sorry did you say that the Occupy Protesters had a "violent nature?" Is this what you want to believe? Where in the video do you see a protester attack an officer? 100,000 people took to the streets in Athens and never got pepper sprayed by their police. These kids were sitting down.
Zoroaster85 2 months ago
@Zoroaster85 The thing these protesters and you don't realize is those MK9 canisters the police have don't just effect your eyes. That stuff gets into your respiratory tract, on your skin and elsewhere. I think these little peckerheads deserved what they got - disbursed. They were warned and warned again. It's funny how when I was a cop, people would tell me I'm being disrespectful when I was being perfectly nice, yet they would yell profanities and threaten me. Same thing going on here.
Andy152R 2 months ago
@Andy152R There you have it... a personal testimony from a cop. Thank you for your insight.
dennalilly 2 months ago
@dennalilly A COP says it was OK? So you rest your CASE? Ha! Mental slavery is what you are bound by Sir. Also they are called Law Enforcement Officers... not "COPS", your arguments lose all legitimacy with that kind of talk. Ha! You are the weakest link.
finight9 2 months ago
boy, the police sure fucked up. royally. even after pepper spraying seated peaceful protesters, they couldn't execute arrests, they are so fat and weak. complete failure at crowd control and arrest, even with inappropriate and illegal use of force. there was zero interference from the crowd in any arrest (on that piece of film, or claimed by the cops). thank goodness for stupid cops and ignorant administration and political leaders, to expose their own illegitimacy and failures.
doctorhoward 2 months ago
Hose 'em down baby!!!!
bubbamoosecat 2 months ago
I feel like most people don't realize that pepper spray, while extremely painful, fades quickly. 20 years ago, it would have been batons and shields. These "kids" are all fine. Also, encircling someone and threatening them is an act of violence. I am 22, a student, and a grown man. I work at a fish market. These people really are children.
supermanizationable 2 months ago 6
@supermanizationable There were faculty staff that joined in when they saw the injustice occurring. You think pepper spray isn't so bad? One student was hacking up blood, an hour after being sprayed. Some were held forcefully and sprayed in the mouth. There were batons, many were beaten.
Icefrostfur 2 months ago
@supermanizationable I agree with you 100%.
StrengthFromAbove83 2 months ago
Blockade? Is this a joke? The protesters that got sprayed in the face had their backs turned, and the cop that did it stepped over the "blockade" and sprayed them in the face. Of course a Republican would make the comments in the video. What else would you expect from them?
Zoroaster85 2 months ago
@Zoroaster85 As I mentioned before, it would be risky for all of those cops to step over those students. What if they had grabbed their legs and/or turned violent, which is plausible given the violent nature of many other Occupy protests? It would have been stupid to step over them. The cop visibly told the student that he would spray them, and visibly shook the spray for more than enough time for the students to move. Also stereotyping Republicans (or anyone) makes you look stupid.
dennalilly 2 months ago 3
Thanks for the post! Now everyone can see what gutless, frightened, instruments of control the police had devolved into. The cops made no attempt to arrest the kids sitting on the sidewalk, gave them no chance to resist... just attacked, with a weapon... anyone else attacks someone with no legal right gets in legal trouble. Are police above the law? @bhlmquist11 If an officer wants to fuck your mother YOU'd BETTER LET HIM, he probly has a damn good reason.... jackass.
finight9 2 months ago
@finight9 The cops arrested them after they refused to let the cops leave. That first cop with the pepper spray who took authority? He gave those students way more than enough time to move. He told them he would spray them. They knew they would be sprayed. Policemen are not above the law, no. They did absolutely nothing wrong here.
dennalilly 2 months ago 2
P.S. just lieing their playing dead is NOT consider resisting.
casanovaarmy 2 months ago
All I see is a bunch of spoiled kids being a nuisance, and considering it's on the schools property they have no right to shout vulgar sayings while also being extremely disrespectful to the cops who are simply doing their job and asked relatively appropriately for them to leave or suffer the consequences.
scarycomments 2 months ago
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@scarycomments "All I see is a bunch of spoiled kids being a nuisance, and considering it's on the schools property they have no right to shout vulgar sayings while also being extremely disrespectful to the cops who are simply doing their job and asked relatively appropriately for them to leave or suffer the consequences." Good point.
dennalilly 2 months ago
Dont shoot the children WTF ahahah
bambi005 2 months ago
"to free themselves from the angry mob of students barring their exit"
Yes, because the protesters are the ones with riot gear and weapons...
TsukiGeek 2 months ago
I bet 99% of the protesters have never had a job or contributed to society in any way.
alabamafbfan1985 2 months ago
@alabamafbfan1985 You're an idiot.
plaze2 2 months ago
@plaze2 I agree. im part of the 99% in the military, a student that takes 2x the class load then full time. afgan vet. but yet my face will never be seen as part of the 99% to the media.
casanovaarmy 2 months ago
zombies as they all chant set them free as they hold hands and encircle the cops. zombies
norapatt 2 months ago
the nor cal kids need the color. A little pepper sprat makes for an amazing story 30 years down the road. Be happy it's the US and that spray wasn't napalm. Fucking hippies.
Kagius23 2 months ago
Dumb fucks it's not pepper spray it's oc spray
xXaSuOsXx 2 months ago
@xXaSuOsXx Trust me. OC spray only makes it worse.
casanovaarmy 2 months ago
THANK YOU TO THE POLICE OFFICERS FOR DOING THEIR JOB! THESE "CHILDREN" NEED A WAKE UP CALL!
TheC2it 2 months ago
Raven05R6 needs to read The Roots of the UC Davis Pepperspraying by Glen Greenwald. The comments we see on this page perfectly represent what me meant when he said: "At the root of all of those views is the classic authoritarian mindset: reflexive support for authority, contempt for those who challenge them, and a blind faith in their unilateral, unchecked decisions regarding who is Bad and deserves state-issued punishment."
deekyoo 2 months ago
@deekyoo Perfect straw-man arguing, thanks for your worthless words.
Here is an example of your reasoning, if you are for vaccines and state your opinion, you obviously are part of "Big Pharma". Listen, the campus police were following procedure. I might not agree with their actions, but they are justified by the current laws.
I personally support the ideals of getting rid of corporate greed and strengthening control over government spending, but I believe this is the wrong way to take action.
Raven05R6 2 months ago
@deekyoo
This was not police brutality, nor a "flexing of authoritarian control"
The beating and firehosing of protesters during the civil rights movement was police brutality, the removal of Oakland Occupy protesters was police brutality, pepper spraying people with fair warning who refuse to move IS NOT POLICE BRUTALITY. Pepper spray is used to avoid injury of both parties when police make an arrest. Pepper spray causes no permanent injury, just a few hours of diminishing discomfort.
Raven05R6 2 months ago
@Raven05R6 Tell that to the 60 people per year who die from pepper spray. I'm sure they agree with you.
thelevitator 2 months ago
@thelevitator I seriously don't think a squirt of pepper spray will kill you unless a cop shoved it down your throat and just let it rip lol.
Unless you're allergic to it or something, but they're supposed to have EMS on site after they spray you.
don818 2 months ago
@thelevitator I'm sorry, but have you ever been sprayed? I have, and while very painful and debilitating to the senses, it is definitely not very dangerous and wears off rather quickly. 60 people dying a year means nothing statistically, as pepper-spray is sold over-the-counter and many people carry it for personal defense.
You people need to seriously wake up out of the dream factory as you are making the OWS movement look childish. While it started off well, it has turned into a shit show.
Raven05R6 2 months ago
You can't pepper spray a convicted violent felon in the midst of a prison riot if he sits down. But sitting, peaceful protestors at an institute of higher learning? Fair game.
deekyoo 2 months ago 2
@deekyoo That is a completely different issue. In a prison riot, anyone who is sitting down is NOT PARTICIPATING. These protesters refused to move when asked to leave private property as they are trespassing. See the difference, or are you just blinded by ignorance?
Raven05R6 2 months ago
@deekyoo
The officers had easy exit if they wanted to leave. They just had to show up the protesters by using force.
AngeloVilaMMA 2 months ago
@deekyoo I don't know much about prison laws, but I'm assuming that in most cases, the said convicted felon sitting down would do so peacefully and not defying police orders. These seated students were arrogant, disgustingly rude ("Fuck the police!"), and knew they would be sprayed if they didn't move out of the police's way. Protesting is one thing; trapping cops within a group of potentially violent people is another.
dennalilly 2 months ago 2
@dennalilly I see a cop calmly stepping OVER the protesters, in order that he may attack them with a weapon on the very side he was being 'prevented' from reaching as you say, It proves your point of view to be just silly.
If that cop wanted to rape your mother I think you'd be down. "That cop let everyone know he was gonna rape her... when a cop says to do something? you do it. She got 'herself' raped."
finight9 2 months ago
@finight9 Your logic doesn't make any sense. A cop fulfilling his duties in a controversial situation is one thing; a cop raping someone is another. Your analogy has no logic whatsoever.
dennalilly 2 months ago
@dennalilly
So fine, they punch you mother, break her nose, whatever...because you are the spineless fucker who would go along with it as long as it wasn't happening to you.
But then, one day it will be happening to you, YOU, you yourself and you never did anything to prevent it, just played complicit with the cops. Cause,"If police say something" you do it!" You are an uncle tom on this plantation... Loves his slavemasters. RESPECT others in order to RESPECT yourself.
finight9 2 months ago
If that officer managed to simply step over the student blockade, why did he pepper spray them? Why didn't they all leave the circle this way? Large-scale strategy. As has been unfortunately proven by the events at UCD, unnecessary police action only tends to develop an ever-more squandered rage within protesters, conversely decreasing any chance of having meaningful "mic-checks". I can't stand the American right... but I also can't stand stupid hippies!! I guess I'm just a living paradox...
dudeihavenoalias 2 months ago
If that officer managed to simply step over the student blockade, why did he pepper spray them? Why didn't they all leave the circle this way? Large-scale strategy. As has been unfortunately proven by the events at UCD, unnecessary police action only tends to develop an ever-more squandered rage within protesters, conversely decreasing any chance of having meaningful "mic-checks". I can't stand the American right... but I also can't stupid hippies!! I guess I'm just a living paradox...
dudeihavenoalias 2 months ago
@rreeddppeenn for the sake of objectivity, looking back at the tape, you can clearly see the officer grasping a student's arm and pulling on it without the student getting up, then making an arm motion that indicates something along the lines of "ok, continue to sit, you know what is coming". it isn't just a tap on the shoulder...
asoni2006 2 months ago
why does this have to be a republicans vs. democrats issue? Why do we insist as a country upon making everything a red vs. blue issue. I'm not on the protester's side cause I'm also liberal, I'm on their side cause I don't like seeing my fellow students getting sprayed on campus. Occupy UCD may have disobeyed to police, but as a policeman, you have to be aware of the town you live and work it. Its obvious that kind of stuff doesn't fly here.
wath20 2 months ago
despite the initial immaturity of some of the crowd ("fuck the police"? really? youre asking them to let people go by saying "fuck you"? -.-), it doesnt look like the cops were really trying to leave. their huge spread made it look more like they were trying to surround the group. anyway, the point is the cops shouldnt have been there in the first place. the pepper spray was excessive, also.
"an office tries to remove a protester"... seriously? he just tapped him on the shoulder.
rreeddppeenn 2 months ago
They shouldve got a bus and arrested every single one of them.
chuckchoe 2 months ago
@chuckchoe I hope you're talking about the police. Because it's clear the only people breaking the law are the cops here. Taking away our first amendment right to protest.
Have your ever read The Bill of Rights? Give it a glance sometime.
Solar2 2 months ago
@Solar2 The police arrested those first students because they refused to take down their tents, not because they were there because of the protests, but because those tents violated campus policy. When you are a college student, you sign a contract with the university / school in which you agree to adhere to these rules and regulations that include these kinds of things. These students are breaking campus rules and violating their contracts, while the police are just doing their jobs.
dennalilly 2 months ago
@dennalilly
Ok, lets run with your rules scenario for a sec. If you mark out side the little box on the test (also a rule) you should be subjected to being pulled from class by the police? If when the students violated a campus rule then first and foremost the campus rule process should have been used. "The Official Disciplinary Process" was violated by the administration. The police should have never been called upon.
mick7sp 2 months ago
Did the police ever even TRY to leave??
Turisan1288 2 months ago
oh terrific job yelling out "fuck the police"
that'll get them to calm down.
fastmatt30 2 months ago
to the idiots saying that it's the protesters fault because they didn't listen to the cops, i simply reference Rosa Parks. now shut your stupid face up.
markuskentwood 2 months ago
@markuskentwood I doubt Rosa Parks chanted things like "I'm allowed to fight; fuck all whites". Rosa Parks is not a suitable analogy; she resisted calmly and respectfully as possible. That is NOT the case with most Occupy protests.
dennalilly 2 months ago
lol stupid republicans trying to twist the story. how typical
markuskentwood 2 months ago
the cops obviously can leave whenever they want, that's not the point.
The protest had gotten to the point that the Police Chief decided they were a nuisance and needed to disband. There is always a point where the police must step in and take action.
When police order you to do something, you DO IT or suffer consequences. There was obviously ample time and warning, the crowd just got more belligerent and resistant.
The pepper spray may have been excessive, but something had to be done.
bholmquist11 2 months ago 11
@bholmquist11 someone sounds like a little bitch for the man. hitler did the same thing to the germans. stop believing in a false authority.
markuskentwood 2 months ago
@bholmquist11 ....you really don't understand the point of a protest do you?
Norikaeru 2 months ago
@bholmquist11 1. The cops could not just simply leave whenever they wanted to because A. they had to be there to ensure the event didn't get out of hand, which it did; and B. it would be dangerous for all of the cops to climb over the students. Read my other comments. 2. The police didn't step in and take action because the protest was 'a nuisance'; it was because A. they were violating campus policy; and B. they were physically threatening the cops by refusing to let them leave.
dennalilly 2 months ago
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@dennalilly I see a cop calmly stepping OVER the protesters, in order that he may attack them with a weapon on the very side he was being 'prevented' from reaching as you say, It proves your point of view to be just silly.
If that cop wanted to rape your mother I think you'd be down. "That cop let everyone know he was gonna rape her... when a cop says to do something? you do it. She got 'herself' raped."
finight9 2 months ago
@dennalilly so which is it? that "hey had to be there to ensure the event didn't get out of hand" or because "they were physically threatening the cops by refusing to let them leave." ?? i'm confused...
sclemons3 2 months ago
@sclemons3 Both...? Obviously.
dennalilly 2 months ago
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@dennalilly so which is it? that "they had to be there to ensure the event didn't get out of hand" or because "they were physically threatening the cops by refusing to let them leave." ?? i'm confused...
sclemons3 2 months ago
@bholmquist11 Therefore, the pepper spray was not excessive. It was used because the seated students defied the cops in this context, as well as it aided in the arrest.
dennalilly 2 months ago
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@bholmquist11 I see a cop calmly stepping OVER the protesters, in order that he may attack them with a weapon on the very side he was being 'prevented' from reaching as you say, It proves your point of view to be just silly.
If that cop wanted to rape your mother I think you'd be down. "That cop let everyone know he was gonna rape her... when a cop says to do something? you do it. She got 'herself' raped."
finight9 2 months ago
@bholmquist11 Did you actually read the report? These were vicious attacks made on peaceful protesters. Some got pepper sprayed in the MOUTH while being held still, which can severely damage. People were hospitalized, hacking up blood. We have a right to protest and because they sat down with linked arms guarding their rights they were pepper sprayed. Not for violence, and WITHOUT warning. Faculty staff joined in despite the pepper spraying, beatings and arresting.
Icefrostfur 2 months ago
@Icefrostfur first, did you actually watch the video? This was a 20 minute escalation of agression from a growing crowd which climaxed in the pepper spray. There was AMPLE warning; the video shows the cops holding and shaking pepper spray for minutes and telling the protesters what was going to happen.
I AGREE that the way the pepper spray was used was excessive, from what I know it should not be sprayed that close... but besides standing back a bit I don't see what better option there was.
bholmquist11 2 months ago
@bholmquist11 You do realize this was not a beginning to end type of thing? In other places, because this was a full campus ordeal, it was a lot worse and the higher ups are trying to twist it to be violent kids rather than what it really was. Staff got involved when they saw the injustice, the petition I linked under gives more in depth on staff help to the students. People were pepper sprayed in the mouth, which can shut your trachea and KILL you. They have a right to group.
Icefrostfur 2 months ago
@Icefrostfur It doesn't matter how dangerous the pepper spray is... the students KNEW and CHOSE to be sprayed with it. When they chose to be sprayed, they chose whatever consequences came along with it.
dennalilly 2 months ago
@dennalilly You are in mental prison. Break free! Only you have the key. Don't be an Uncle Tom on this plantation! You would watch your own mother be attacked as long as you could keep being a "HOUSE NEGRO". For Shame.
finight9 2 months ago
@dennalilly Staff joined in, do you think they would support something the students brought on themselves? Geoffrey O’Brien, a professor, got beaten with a baton. Do you think forcefully holding someones mouth open and spraying pepper spray down their throat; which could cause inflammation thereby closing the trachea and killing the victim, is an okay police tactic? Hmm. Interesting, your views. I respect you as I do everyone though I question your sources for your opinions.
Icefrostfur 2 months ago
thanks 1%
-the rest of us
FarrisHOLLIDAY 2 months ago
@FarrisHOLLIDAY pussy
markuskentwood 2 months ago
Don't mind me just watering my hippies hehe
hau5musikfan 2 months ago
It never ceases to amaze me that a lot of "conservatives" side with the cops. If you knew anything about America, you would understand that you aren't really conservative, you're authoritarian, and YOU are anti-american. Protesting the government is the most American thing and American can do. You are advocating for more rules, not less. That is not conservative.
cheezombie 2 months ago
@cheezombie I'm conservative and I side with these cops. I thought they handled the situation quite well. You are misinformed; the definition of 'authoritarian' is 'favoring complete obedience or subjection to authority AS OPPOSED to individual freedom'. That is the exact opposite of conservative ideals; we want less governmental control in the private sector. I do not advocate more rules personally; quite the opposite.
dennalilly 2 months ago
@dennalilly yet you bailed out the banks.
markuskentwood 2 months ago
@markuskentwood Excuse me? I don't understand. *I* bailed out the banks??
dennalilly 2 months ago
@dennalilly I never claimed that all "conservatives" think this way. We're actually in agreement. There are people out there that claim to be conservative when in fact they're really authoritarian corporate whores. I'm glad that you're a real conservative. Ron Paul is a real conservative. None of the other candidates are.
cheezombie 2 months ago
@cheezombie I have to mostly agree with you there; too many people claim to be one thing or another when really they haven't done their homework and know absolutely nothing about what they speak. Ron Paul is okay, though he would not be my first choice, personally. Of course, he's WAY better than Mitt Romney... ugh... *shudder*
dennalilly 2 months ago