Just remember that these guys that attack you over and over are paid shills. They have the time and the money. Oh there may be a couple of fringe individualists who throw something at you once in a while, but for the most part, they are professional shills;they have access to photo and print archives, and conspire in groups to come up with the best (although still lame) arguments to your well thought out explanations. They are criminals working for a criminal enterprise.
@eastshawnee "Just remember that these guys that attack you over and over are paid shills."
Is the entire staff of YoTube also "paid shills"? All of jw's fraudulent claims have now been rejected by yt, and all the videos and channels he tried to censor through his dishonest means have been restored. Free Speech wins!
"three separate occasions alleged my math skills are akin to those of some Lou Costello character"
I haven't seen his videos and now they're gone so I can't but if your math is wrong doesn't that make it all right to call you out for it? I understand you don't want to be overly insulted by it but still?
Commenting on how you felt that his language he was using in his rebuttal of your science and affirmations does not fall into the fair use of copyrighted material. And by using large portions of their videos without rebuttal or comment on the matter at hand, the science, you are in fact using illegally their materials.
Now instead of using youtube as your personal psychiatrist sessions, keep the use of the videos to what you should have from the start. To rebut the science, not the emotions.
Now should we be able to bold and underline here, the words criticism and comments would be done as such.
Astrobrant2 which you have resulted in using false DMCA claims on him was using your material well within the Fair use as he was doing a criticism or the science you used with rebuttal by the use of science. That falls straight into the fair use of copyrighted materials.
You on the other hands on all the videos I have seen, have done nothing of the sort.
Dude, astrobrant and his cronies give me shit ALL the time on my videos. They also seem to get very defensive if you question them...
I think the more videos you make the more it eggs them on. Because I made a response video to their attacks against me and they just called me Young Jawa (Jarrah). It's what they do. Sometimes I think the best idea is if we just ignore them. They'll lose interest attacking someone who makes no mention of em.
What's with the whole "stolen my footage" stuff? I totally support people using my self-produced audio or video as long as they give reference. That's totally normal in the academic world. Quote me & reference me all you want. I don't even care if you do it to distort me or make fun of my mother! It all comes out in the wash. I'm not supporting KJK's content or methods, but Mr. White, you're in the public eye. You show your face. You use your name. You're whining. With respect, MAN UP!
Offensive!? Hardly, more likely hilarious! Jarrah go see a genetic mutation specialist and see if they can grow a spine for you. Quit your crying, get some REAL critical thinking skills and post something that is real science without being out of context. I started watching videos on both sides a couple of months ago, and whiile at first, I was intrigued by some of the points you brought up, a little research and critical thinking on my part revealed your videos for what they are - pure BS.
@ItsNotRocketScienze, i agree JW isn't a scientist as such and he's got quite a job on his hands trying to prove all of this because the burden is upon him to do so, rather than laugh at him and make mock i do try and take on all points of view, I'm really not into conspiracies as such, at lot of it is bunkum, but i love being proved wrong, you have to be skeptical, I'm quite astute and i listen to counter arguments from all sides, i find all very interesting at the moment.
@receiver69, i see... well JW certainly isn't going to become famous, he would do better on youtube if he actually promoted the moon-shots, i find it all very interesting, but then again I'm not in a position to judge, If i was part of the NASA program or involved with it in some way i would like you find this quite unusual, perhaps upsetting, but I'm trying to absorb all points of view and JW's stance requests that the burden of proof lies with him, thats very difficult if nigh on impossible.
@receiver69, yes i understand, I'm not sure you can say JW is totally devoid of logic & reason in pursuing these lines of thought and i know it's ultimately science and the tireless dedication of talented individuals which brought us rockets and everything else concerning the moon shots but there is reasonable doubt, I'm just another armchair pundit so i cannot really judge, but JW does his homework, i listen to him then try to follow any leads, doesn't JW stir anything in you? curiosity maybe?
KJK is a wind-up merchant, most likely one of the characters you have dealt with before under a new name/account, i think the idea is to distract you from your true cause, these c*nts are just feeble minded morons, stick to your guns JW, yes remove offending material or flag it where possible, but they know how to antagonize, simple, cheap, idiotic, if these are the people you have to content with then fuck them, not worth a wank mate, carry on dude, those who matter know your doing great work.
I have to give it thumbs down. Yes the guy insults dead people and is a piece of shit. But if you really want to prove the landings were fake you better stand above these things. The fact you fall over that 'propagannis' thing proves you have a lot to learn. Humor for instance. Why didn't you start to use that word yourself for fun. And let that Kalel guy make a fool of himself. Now all you have done is make him a martyr. Not a bright thing to do. Apollo fake or true is besides the point.
well is it any wonder nobody beliebves they landed on the moon when they are parading around on wires on a bellcom moonset in front of projection screens Kubrick used for 2001?
Well the accident happened after apollo 1 were booked into specific training shecdules and all csm tests for apollo crews were carried out after the same specific period of training .
I believe they were in space on a secret military mission during the training period and the accident had to happen to account for the loss of the apollo 1 crew so it was a staged event.
The same carry on with Aldrins punch to Sibrels jaw. Staged
They died in an accident in a csm test which wasn't actually an accident. They were murdered and even Grissom's son think's something dodgy happened so they become martyrs for even moon hoaxers.
Not this moon hoaxer.
I have heard they died in space on a SECRET MILITARY MISSION THAT HAS REMAINED SECRET!
see thats why I don't always agree with all moon hoax theories and don't and never have idolised any of the apollo crews.
Apollo 1 died in space on a secret military mission and the accident in the csm was set up to cover for the fact they couldn't disclose what apollo 1 were really up to.
Nobody wants to hear those kind of theories so I'm ba-ba-black sheep.
jarrah I just looked at lukequixotesanjose website and he wrote up a really touching epitaph to the memory of Bill Kaysing- a good man and decent human being.
Thank you lukequixotesanjose. That's appreciated from me anyways. cheers
Kaysing was a caring husband and father. Kaysing chose to leave the rat race and live according to his morals. Kaysing did great work for veterans. Those things I salute as decent and noble. I didn't agree with him on Apollo. I may have passed the odd slur in the past, but in recent months I have softened towards him because of the good things he did. I still sometimes may say things that I don't mean... but he didn't seem like a bad person. Rene! I dont have a good word.
He did seem like a really nice man. If there is anything I can say in Ralph's defence, I did speak to him once on the phone and I a rare chat with him. Hes the sort of dude I have a lot of time for because he wasn't to be messed around.I don't think he was too keen on Percy and Sibrel and actually sent Aldrin a letter telling him how to break somebody's jaw with one punch that I thought was hilarious .
@lukequixotesanjose Ralph seemed to have suffered a lot of real pain for years with his arthritis problems which I couldn't help sympathise with. He sounded as if it had really hampered his lifestyle which isn't right for anybody. I don't know health care works in the states because we have the nhs in the uk.
I can appreciate he had some rather controversial other ideas that you are offended with but I would still back most of the ralphs work although not as fervently as jarrah will.
Jarrah listen go back and look at your original moonfakers where you phoned the sydney herald newspaper etc,
They were excellent. Thats was somebody interested in the moon landings and trying to find the truth because you were reading ralph and kaysings books.
I like trying to find the truth as well but I wouldn't be able to if I spent all my time replying back to people that were purposelly hassleling me.
TELL THEM TO FUCK OFF AND GET BACK TO WHAT YOUR GOOD AT!
Some of the Apollo defenders have obviously decided that bullying Jarrah is the only way to distract and annoy him. They're hoping that this tactic will make him crack and get rid of him. I really hope he just keeps a level head and ignores them. I do think they take it too far. Astrobrant2 seems to take any criticism on NASA very personally, which is odd.
@adiohead Bullying you say? And Jarrah has never done that himself has he? He hasn't harrassed somebody by claiming he had found their personal details (albeit wrong details) and proudly made a video exclaiming how clever he thought he was for doing it has he? He has never stooped to slinging insults has he? He hasn't made videos purely for the purpose of ad hominem attack against his opponents has he? Oh..... wait... he has done all that.....
@adiohead as I said before, you reap as you sow. Jarrah has a long history of slinging insults and ad hominem attacks that can be traced back to before his time on YT, and without provocation on the part of those he has attacked. Now, if that's how he rolls, he can hardly expect not to receive it in kind, nor can he start crying foul when he does receive it.
@greenmagoos Indeed you are right GM. I for one would like to see the man (Jarrah) himself come on here and defend his position, if he can. Or is he just waiting for the the brouhaha to die down and then hope he can move on and hope we all forget his fallacies as is his normal modus operandi? It seems that he is not able to think on his feet in a forum debate without losing it and resorting to insults and needs the time to compose a script and a video.
@greenmagoos Again you are right GM. It is folly to think that by getting a video removed on YT will stop or hinder anyone else from doing the same thing again. If anything you are only going to increase the resolve of those that you are trying to censor along with increasing opposition towards yourself and your agenda. It didn't work for the likes of venomfangx or geerup. Perhaps Jarrah could learn a thing or two from that YT fiasco.
So Jarrah, do you confirm that Pookie discovered the C rock. If the original version of his book didn't contain mention of the C rock, maybe you could show us that page in your 1992 copy of Ralph's book where his other issues with AS16-107-17446 were discussed. Any photos of Collins spacewalking would've been taken by Collins. During EVA-2 he was busy trying to keep two spacecraft together. They were low on fuel and and the spacecrafts were wobbling. He was concerned with survival not photos.
not that it makes a great deal of difference in the land of 'non-suicidals have their limits', is that an admittance that jarrah got something correct?
I know he probably shouldn't get involved in slanging matches and in many ways hes as guilty but I wouldn't be happy getting that sort of abuse especially if I'd been younger..... not that I haven't had a chuckle myself. If you took out the ashes clip I'm sure old Ralph and Bill would have laughed for a min or two as well.
@greenmagoos Nope, I was just correcting my earlier comment where I wrote Collins but meant Young. It's true that Collins lost HIS camera, but that has nothing to do with the fact that there are no photos of him (Collins) spacewalking. Suggesting that he is referring to his lost camera when he says there are no photos of him spacewalking is wishful thinking on JW's part.
this seems to be million miles away from what ralph was highlighting in his moon hoaxbook. that somebody or other had altered a photo of collins in training that was included in collins book.
the fact that rene highlighted this nearly 20 years ago is suffice for me. you two can argue about it all you want.
@greenmagoos it is a million miles away. Ralph found an odd picture and immediately saw something sinister. Since it was taken on Gemini he concluded the faking of photos started then. But a little research shows the photo in question was never used in NASA press releases and never showed up until Collins' book. He made a conclusion based on his gut feeling, not evidence. And if you're going to fake one, why not fake more? Why not fake 5 to 10 or more photos of Collins spacewalking?
i know i hear you. for 'myself' as far as I'm concerned ralph highlighted a 'space' photo that was 'altered' and placed in a book to give an artistic impression of collins spacewalking, although it wasn't actually an authentic gemini spacewalk photo.
the fact that it was 'altered' is the message i took from it.
@greenmagoos I don't think there is any debate that the original photo was altered. But there's just no evidence to suggest that it was altered for some nefarious means. Was it an interesting find? Sure. Does it do anything to prove a hoax was perpetrated? Not so much. Is there any evidence to say NASA did the alterations? No. So really someone at the publishing house is to blame for creating this non issue.
There might be no evidence to say that nasa definitely altered it but there's been no evidence to suggest it was definitely somebody at the publishing house!
Given that the photo was nasa's own property and collins was a nasa military astro its entirely possible that the work could only have been carried out on behalf of collins by nasa not the publishing house.
the pub house need to have got copyright permission from nasa to do that surely?
@greenmagoos Agreed there is no evidence to prove either NASA or the publisher made the alterations. Again the photo was never used in a NASA press release. Which to me, suggests that it was one of many offered to the publisher for inclusion of the book. Maybe I'm not the best one to ask about copyright laws at this point ;) But NASA photos are public domain. The publisher wouldn't need permission to alter the photo. The placement of the photo suggests the publisher did the alterations.
ah well they are public doman do what you want with them in a u-tube video 40 years after the event nowadays with the internet and all
I doubt they were as easily accesible back then and they would be under more strignent observation by nasa as to what a publishing house was doing with them seeing as they were still relatively recent?
@greenmagoos NASA could have observed the alterations and/or made suggestions, but they couldn't have stopped the publisher from using the photo in any way that wasn't malicious. The fact that it was a training photo that was never used by NASA suggests that it wasn't all that important to them. And again, if NASA was going to fake 1 photo to suggest it was an actual photo of Collins space walking, why not fake 2, 3 or more? The only way to know for sure is to question the publisher.
I'm not saying that it was of vital importance to them I just think nasa just used to fire out a small-ish selection of photos to publishing houses although I cannot be sure.
At the end of the day we all know its been altered, its an artisitic impression,and Collins doesn't have any photos of the spacewalk because the camera flew off? is that correct-i've fogotten because I keep seeing the 12 headed donkey of bablyon and jawas?
@greenmagoos Now if JW can show us the page in the 1992 edition of Ralph's book where as16-107-17446 is discussed but the "c" rock is NOT mentioned, I'll be the first one to admit JW was correct about that part and Pookie was the discoverer of the "c" rock. JW has issues with Steve Troy's conclusion regarding the "c" rock but wants us to accept the validity of Pookie's findings. That dog won't hunt.
i'm a bit perplexed about this myself to tell you the truth. i know ralph was working on that apollo 16 photo from some publication and was getting a lot of hassle trying to get copies sent from nasa- well before the alsj was on line remember!
I can see where your coming from -he missed the 'c' rock himself and its his friends daughter who spotted it from his own book. Its possible ralph or somebody else printed his book as soon as he received the sent print and missed it?
@greenmagoos And that was the point I made in my video. I too was perplexed by Ralph's statement. I also sensed a bit of amazement in JW's voice during the conversation with Ralph. As I said before, JW can put this one to bed by showing us the first edition of Ralph's book where as-16-107-17446 is discussed but the "c" rock was NOT mentioned. If he can, I'm ready to admit he's right about this one.
was that print of the photo with the 'c' on it not is some astronomy or space book as well?
I think that girl possibly spotted it in the other book and brought it to ralphs attention..... I'm finding it difficult to believe ralph wouldn't have spotted it myself so possibly something has been forgotten in the telling of the tale
@greenmagoos It was published in a book JW refers to which I believe was published in 1981.
I think your theory here is more likely to be the case rather than the explanation Ralph and JW has offered us. But again, a first edition of Ralph's book would solve the mystery.
@greenmagoos Ralph's biblography lists The Illustrated Encyclopedia of SPACE TECHNOLOGY Gatland, 1981, Salamander Books. In JW's "Rocks and Crocks" part 1 video Ralph says he found the photo in this book. And then at the end of "Rocks and Crocks" part 2 Ralph says Pookie found it in his book. Can you see why I jumped on this issue? Which story of Ralph's should we believe?
@greenmagoos I'm working on re-editing my videos to remove anything that belongs to or may directly offend JW. Once I get everything back up, I'll send you the links and you can judge my work for yourself.
It's been good conversing with you GM but it's time for me to unplug from the matrix and get some real world stuff done. I'll talk to you soon.- KJK
@greenmagoos Did I go to far in some of my videos? That's a matter of opinion. And we are all free to form those types of opinions. It might be easier to judge my work if it wasn't removed for dubious reasons. My previous account was never flagged for community violations. JW could have filed one CR notice and I would've got the message. But he filed on a group of videos one day and the rest a few days later ensuring my account would be suspended. The same could happen to any of us.
@greenmagoos But how are we supposed to know JW can or cannot handle it? He comes across as confident and self assured. He has no problem insulting others but plays the victim card when he gets a dose of his own medicine. My comedy heroes are guys like Lenny Bruce, Don Rickles and Bill Hicks. My goal here is to entertain, not to convince anyone on either side, of anything. I think we can all agree this controversy will never die, so I don't waste too much time trying to change minds.
I'm not in agreement with the way jarrah has attempted to grade the abuse he receives as accpetable or non-acceptable and his statement that he could have shut 3 apollogists down if he felt like it sounds a bit dictatorish to be honest.
This is a subject thats only of interest to us that are interested in the moon landings. NONE of us are getting a million hits a day here on u-tube discussing,debating, and slagging over the moon landings and wether they happened or not!
@greenmagoos Agreed, this subject only interests a select few. I have often stated that in a way I am thankful for the hoax believers because it gives all of us reason to study the issue in greater detail. Disagreeing on a subject that we are all passionate about can be difficult. But censoring opposing views is just wrong and lodging bogus CR complaints on a timetable that assures suspension is dirty pool.
@greenmagoos You should also know that while my sarcastic humor can get dark, my correspondence with JW has never been anything but polite, on both ends. I suggested many times that he ignore his detractors. I suggested that he does himself and his cause a disservice by getting into the mudslinging. I even complemented him on one of his tribute videos. He could've PM'd me and said stop using my stuff or this offends me, but he didn't. I'm not a heartless bastard, I just play one on Youtube.
Shane does blow a gasket from time to time... but I think it's part of Shane's act and the way he gets his message across. it's his way. It's his evocative manner. We're all different GMs.
I agree. Jarrah dishes it out himself, and I think he needs to gain a thicker skin. Maybe if he responded with humour in kind, we could all get on better. For a start, I'd wish he'd stop calling me an opponent. I happen to disagree with him on the moon landings and I don't like some of his tactics. But then, and I've told him this before, I don't actually think he's a bad kid. I actually think he has some great talents and wish he'd use them in better way.
I actually think he could be a good journalist exposing real scandals, maybe even a lawyer, taking on cases from the less fortunate in society. He does have a good heart, and I think he cares for people. That's a wonderful gift GM... a tour guide at the HSC... that would be funny... 'This is a LM, it never went to the moon...' 'This is a space suit... it was never used in anger, fake...' He'd get his P45 after the first day.
yes he's got a good heart and his enthusiasm for the subject at hand can be overwhelming.
If he was able to channel that enthusiasm into something like investigative journalism I'd have no doubts he would do a lot for people less fortunate in society and by God there are lot out there in terrible situations
Jarrah even our opponents don't think were as bad as there response videos make us out to be.
No, I don't think many of you are that bad. I have seen red for some comments from a few members of the hoax community. I have a lot of issues with Ralph, and I think the scietific legacy he left was an affront to briliant minds. I have studied those subjects and taught them, and know what hard work it takes to understadn them fully. I found him offensive. I actually have a soft spot for Kaysing, and that is where I have divergent views from many of the Apollo defenders.
who's doing the voice and music during the jackass sequence in this vid btw?
Thats a potential rock star- lol
If there had been no Ralph and Bill we wouldn't all be here going off our nuts debating something we are all passionatly interested in and I don';t always agree with everything they had to say myself
well whoever it was its really well done. outwith the images and general blasphemous anti-hoax vibe- lol, its a good mix of voice with the backing track
Whichever side of the fence yu sit on regrading these vids... KJK is one talented guy when it comes to satire, music and imagery... he's got an amazing eye.
well I would have to agree and I hope Jarrah appeciates where I'm coming from here. I thought that sequence was really well done both in a visual sense while mixing music with a rap like that . Thats creative art
jarrah if there was any point removing the vid with the vagina in it I've already checked u-tube and the apollogists appear determined to get round the copyright claim removal by uploading new vids featuring the vagina.
There are no vaginas on the moon as far as I'm aware?
True magoos, the Apollo nauts brought no vaginas back, reported no vaginas. The surveyor probes did not fnd vaginas on the moon. Don't thnk SELENE nor the LRO has spotted any yet. But the question is... who owned the vagina's copyright.
Ah... now, that's a good question of clarification GM. Are we talking about real vaginas that are attached to a woman, or just huge model ones that are cycled around Amsterdam on a bike by a Dutch woman. Shall we probe the vagina on the bike?
ah well if that photo was taken in red light district there shouldn't be too much of a copyright issue because the display and sale of vaginas is perfectly legal under current dutch/eu pornography for cannabis tokers regulations
Perhaps this is a claim for the european parliament to decide?
GM, the European parliament would take several years to decide this issue. But I am sure you are right here, despite lack of legal precedent. Having been to Amsterdam, such wares are on display in windows, but I am not sure if one is allowed to take photos of them. This may be due to the brothel owners rather than copyright.
I think there may indeed be a legal problem if you were to use any sort of reproduction of an **actual** vagina attached to a women in a u-tube video. That would not be acceptable whatsoever and may get you in trouble with the ***actual*** law.
Photos of big orange vaginas that appear to have been taken at some type of sex march for deviants is probably ok but don't quote me on that!
I wouldn't have reported him. Reporting people and flagging videos is never justified in my opinion. When people make fun of you, the best you can do is laugh with them, or just ignore them. There would be no such thing as comedy, if the people being made fun of had to approve of it.
jarrah where these videos just crazy piss take skits or was there anything relevant to copyright issues in that they were challenging Bill and Ralph's theories?
I didn't see any of them. I have seen some of the other piss takes. big deal about nothing like you said
If there is ever some natural catastrophe with the sun and the atmosphere, and we needed protection from a lack of the magnetosphere, we only have to get some of the thin foil material that was used on 11. That's probably all future space travel needs for 100% protection. It supposedly worked all the way to the moon. It should work on the way to Mars or interstellar travel. Aluminum foil - protection against radiation, meteors, comets and black holes. Who would've guessed.
This will be worth at least one video response. One having to do with the Collins incident, which I'm sure you'll love, as I will show who's really doing the quote mining and taking things out of context.
The other will be about how you filed copyright complaints against at least ten of KJK's videos, probably after YT wouldn't do anything about the vagina picture. IOW, you were trying to get his account terminated. I may combine that with the blurring of Rene's text that you did.
They are all weak Jarrah...Otherwise they could provide direct, and undisputable truth of a moon landing...Instead they attack in stupid, childish videos which provide no substance what-so-ever...
@un4g1v3n1 Uhmm..."They" have. As much as some of the people who post videos about Jarrah's work (and the moon hoax theory in general) might talk shit, poke fun, or "troll" Jarrah, it doesn't mean they all haven't found suitable and legit answers for all of the claims made by conspiracy theorist.
Are you using Rock as a verb un4. That may have a different meaning. You might like to take a look at your own behaviour and videos before making comments about attacking 'opponents' with childish videos. We can juxtapose some of your 'research' against your hypocritcal statement. As for proof of landing, between all you hoaxheads, I fail to see any proof we did not go. Radiation research.... pfft. A set of loose facts jumbled together in an editing suite.
Luke, you blame un4g1v3n of bad behavior. Yet look at your own comment! In one comment you go on calling him "childish", "hypocritical" and a "hoaxhead".
Jarrah here is however defending, and it is a high time! So cruel and tasteless are the Apollo believers' insults against him (and Rene).
'You might like to take a look at your own behaviour and videos before making comments about attacking 'opponents' with childish videos'
I was pointing to his demented troll/svector vid. How about un4 calling me a paedophile. How about pt1gard saying I was deformed and never got out, or another hoaxer who said my father probably sodomised me? All within weeks of joining the debate. You condone this? You wonder why I see red at times?
So, cut the moralising. Calling someone an hypocrite is not bad behaviour if one can justify it, and I think I can justify my use of that word in this case. The real issue here is that jarrah has made a complaint of cyber bullying... yet he pulled KJK on copyright. Let me think. He got around YT's ineffective violation policy, and went for something that YT wuold notice. Why... because he has put himself him the public eye and cannot deal with satire.
Politicans, celebs, sportsmen/women etc etc deal with satire and scrutiny on a daily basis. Jarrah could not deal with it. Time to get of the kitchen, or get a sense of humour implant in my opinion... so, summarising. Don't make out the hoax believers are as pure as the driven snow, as you are not... far from it.
And as for Rene. I don't have time for him, and if he was alive now, he'd have much sharper scourn poured on him. He was a crude mouthpiece worth very little.
Why do you say Jarrah couldn't deal with it ? He dealt with it by ignoring it at first, and by reporting videos later, and it is his right. Are you suggesting, that WJ shouldn't be allowed to report videos if he feel that anything worth the video to be reported ? While YOU for example, would have that right?
You have no time for Rene, but you make several video on him... you are quite the hypocrite, you know that ? Along with being insecure that is.
>> it is interesting to note, that moontrue account has been banned lately, along with all his videos (few of them being the most interesting, and damaging to the apollo fairy tale to date) I didn't see anyone amongs the apollo fanboys, expressing anything about moontrue freedom of speech, or anything along this line.
In comparison, KJK (who is a degenerate), become some kind of martyr, if we listen to you insecure apollo fanboys clique... Altough he's already back as Popagannis or something
@AstroClownBuster If I had a problem with a video and it was due to what Jarrah states above; cyber harassment and bullying, I wouldn't be using a *copyright* claim to silence the video maker then go about saying, "oh boo hoo, everyone is picking on me..". Jarrah is simply manipulating the YT system in a way not intended to silence those that criticise him and his work. And don't tell me Jarrah has never taken images from others videos or not used ad homine attacks on others.
@AstroClownBuster If that's what you think has happened here then you are well out of the loop and are swallowing the above diatribe hook, line and sinker. At any rate, you don't claim a copyright issue then go on to make a video entitled " JW Responds to *Cyber Bullying* by Propogandists". Everyone on YT is aware that a bogus DCMA or CR claim, against another here is a sure fire way of shutting up someone. Look at venomfangx for an example.
@AstroClownBuster And there we have it people! from the mouth of AstroClownBuster. By your own admission you say *everyone* makes ad hominem attacks on people, that is- insulting or belittling one's opponent, but can also involve pointing out factual but ostensible character flaws or actions which are irrelevant to the opponent's argument.
So if everyone does it, why should Jarrah be treated as "special case" if *everyone* is slanging each other off????? Thankyou AstroClownBuster.
That is what I meant, WJ is not a special case, he surely have used (and use/ will use) ad hominem, and since he's not special case, he can ALSO report videos for reasons he find worthy of a report, including those with ad hominem.
@AstroClownBuster No, I'm quite sure that's not what you meant at all, but you're here now and can't bear to back away from it, can you?
So him using ad hominem attacks is OK but if he finds an ad hominem attack against himself he can report it? That is *not* the purpose of a copyright claim in the first place and smacks of complete hypocrisy. Think about what you are saying.
Copyright is copyright... you can't use copyright law because someone has taken an image from the public domain and used it for satrical purposes. That's not copyright law. Copyright law is the use of intellectual property without the consent of the owner. If I took JW's videos and tried to sell them, then Jarrah could take me for copyright. You need to go and check the law ACB. It's not even defamation.
@AstroClownBuster If what you say is correct, then it would fair to say that he is here purely at the discretion of those that he, as he puts, "steals videos" from to use in his own videos.
Do you really think that Jarrah would want all those people that he has "stolen" video from to come down on him with CR and DCMA claims when this is his very last stronghold as he fails to be able to handle himself in other forums?
That is what this could all theoretically come to with your reasoning.
@AstroClownBuster And I will go further: Just because Jarrah has the ability to "report" a video does not give him the right to abuse the ability to suit his own needs. It calls in to question his ethics and certainly his motivations. Now if Jarrah had never made a video using parts of others videos, or not engaged in ad hominem attacks then I would be more understanding, however this is not the case and so he is an outright hypocrite.
To say 'I have no time for someone' means that I really don't hold them in great esteem. It's a colloquial English phrase which does not have a literal meaning. It's a phrase of disdain and represents disgust. It does not mean that I am excluded from discussing Ralph, or taking part in exposing his fraud and legacy. You don't get to define the phrase to create a strawman to blow down.
Ok, so by saying that you had no time for him, you actually meant, that you put a great deal of time and effort, trying to paint him as he is evoking for you (disdain and disgust only, right ?)
All of it, for the sake of trying to 'defend' what you believe to be so certain (the apollo mission as advertised in this case) right ?
Well, thank for the update, this is indeed sounding as insecure as it get, and it is quite consistent with you.
I've told you, I'm immune to the insecure tag that you have labelled me. So continue with you self depricating irony, and your positon of hypocrisy. Here you are defending Jarrah's claim of harrassment, yet continue with your insult to provoke me. Now, was Jarrah correct to use copyright to silence lawful satire and artistic licence. Is that the Stalinist world hoax proponents live in? Tell me. If you gained power tomorrow, would you have the likes of me up against a wall?
You missed the point, i don't say that you are immune, i say that you are insecure.
You are not immune to insecurity, you ARE insecure, get it ?
Who is the one who lost all of his free time trying to find anything to throw back at WJ or Rene, because they are critical of what YOU believe to be so certain (so certain, but not certain enough to be safe without you defending it, right ?...)
You are this person, do you deny this ? This is your insecurity.
@AstroClownBuster Good work AstroClownBuster, not only do you have a hypocritical and indefensible view of what is and isn't fair play when it comes to CR and "reporting", you now have a hypocritical view on free speech and the right to present an alternate view. Want to go three for three? Why don't you go and have another tantrum and flag my "Draw Muhummad Day" video because you can't express yourself adequately and see where that gets you.
Mark, this demonstrates the mentality of the moon hoax conspiracy movement. I have been accused of being insecure and attacked here by ACB, and when i did not bite he said he flagged my video. And here we also have Jarrah poisoning the well by making more references to me, AB2, PW59... what does that have to do with his claim. Do they believe their own mantra...
astrobrant isa faggit
MrToiletface 1 month ago
@WhiteJarrah For an Australian you have an incredibly thin skin.
Wethewax 2 months ago
Just remember that these guys that attack you over and over are paid shills. They have the time and the money. Oh there may be a couple of fringe individualists who throw something at you once in a while, but for the most part, they are professional shills;they have access to photo and print archives, and conspire in groups to come up with the best (although still lame) arguments to your well thought out explanations. They are criminals working for a criminal enterprise.
eastshawnee 7 months ago
@eastshawnee "Just remember that these guys that attack you over and over are paid shills."
Is the entire staff of YoTube also "paid shills"? All of jw's fraudulent claims have now been rejected by yt, and all the videos and channels he tried to censor through his dishonest means have been restored. Free Speech wins!
occhamite 4 months ago
And Propagannis is a guy on Youtube.
Ragnarok222R 9 months ago
"three separate occasions alleged my math skills are akin to those of some Lou Costello character"
I haven't seen his videos and now they're gone so I can't but if your math is wrong doesn't that make it all right to call you out for it? I understand you don't want to be overly insulted by it but still?
Ragnarok222R 9 months ago
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yesiamawizardjonny 11 months ago
Commenting on how you felt that his language he was using in his rebuttal of your science and affirmations does not fall into the fair use of copyrighted material. And by using large portions of their videos without rebuttal or comment on the matter at hand, the science, you are in fact using illegally their materials.
Now instead of using youtube as your personal psychiatrist sessions, keep the use of the videos to what you should have from the start. To rebut the science, not the emotions.
Raindarsus 11 months ago
Now should we be able to bold and underline here, the words criticism and comments would be done as such.
Astrobrant2 which you have resulted in using false DMCA claims on him was using your material well within the Fair use as he was doing a criticism or the science you used with rebuttal by the use of science. That falls straight into the fair use of copyrighted materials.
You on the other hands on all the videos I have seen, have done nothing of the sort.
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Raindarsus 11 months ago
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c. the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the
copyrighted work as a whole; and
d. the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the
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not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of
a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall
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of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
b. the nature of the copyrighted work;
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“Fair Use” Affirmative Defense (17 U.S.C. § 107)
1. The fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in
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for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching
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Raindarsus 11 months ago
Dude, astrobrant and his cronies give me shit ALL the time on my videos. They also seem to get very defensive if you question them...
I think the more videos you make the more it eggs them on. Because I made a response video to their attacks against me and they just called me Young Jawa (Jarrah). It's what they do. Sometimes I think the best idea is if we just ignore them. They'll lose interest attacking someone who makes no mention of em.
yesiamawizardjonny 11 months ago
You did the right thing Jarrah! Thumbs up and Good Job!
wiiagent 11 months ago
What's with the whole "stolen my footage" stuff? I totally support people using my self-produced audio or video as long as they give reference. That's totally normal in the academic world. Quote me & reference me all you want. I don't even care if you do it to distort me or make fun of my mother! It all comes out in the wash. I'm not supporting KJK's content or methods, but Mr. White, you're in the public eye. You show your face. You use your name. You're whining. With respect, MAN UP!
LunarTuner 1 year ago
dude. you don't shoot the court jester.
Urudrim 1 year ago
Offensive!? Hardly, more likely hilarious! Jarrah go see a genetic mutation specialist and see if they can grow a spine for you. Quit your crying, get some REAL critical thinking skills and post something that is real science without being out of context. I started watching videos on both sides a couple of months ago, and whiile at first, I was intrigued by some of the points you brought up, a little research and critical thinking on my part revealed your videos for what they are - pure BS.
Monkeyboysdontknow 1 year ago
@Monkeyboysdontknow Testify! lol!
grayhog86 1 year ago
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grayhog86 1 year ago
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grayhog86 1 year ago
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astrobrant what qualifications do you have, as far as i can see you have none and you keep getting proved wrong constantly.
beastwars 1 year ago
@ItsNotRocketScienze, i agree JW isn't a scientist as such and he's got quite a job on his hands trying to prove all of this because the burden is upon him to do so, rather than laugh at him and make mock i do try and take on all points of view, I'm really not into conspiracies as such, at lot of it is bunkum, but i love being proved wrong, you have to be skeptical, I'm quite astute and i listen to counter arguments from all sides, i find all very interesting at the moment.
RocketRoswell 1 year ago
@receiver69, i see... well JW certainly isn't going to become famous, he would do better on youtube if he actually promoted the moon-shots, i find it all very interesting, but then again I'm not in a position to judge, If i was part of the NASA program or involved with it in some way i would like you find this quite unusual, perhaps upsetting, but I'm trying to absorb all points of view and JW's stance requests that the burden of proof lies with him, thats very difficult if nigh on impossible.
RocketRoswell 1 year ago
@receiver69, yes i understand, I'm not sure you can say JW is totally devoid of logic & reason in pursuing these lines of thought and i know it's ultimately science and the tireless dedication of talented individuals which brought us rockets and everything else concerning the moon shots but there is reasonable doubt, I'm just another armchair pundit so i cannot really judge, but JW does his homework, i listen to him then try to follow any leads, doesn't JW stir anything in you? curiosity maybe?
RocketRoswell 1 year ago
how dare taht fvcker make fun of yur bevis impersonation , dont let the bastards get you down jw
thegreatpoupon 1 year ago
KJK is a wind-up merchant, most likely one of the characters you have dealt with before under a new name/account, i think the idea is to distract you from your true cause, these c*nts are just feeble minded morons, stick to your guns JW, yes remove offending material or flag it where possible, but they know how to antagonize, simple, cheap, idiotic, if these are the people you have to content with then fuck them, not worth a wank mate, carry on dude, those who matter know your doing great work.
RocketRoswell 1 year ago
@receiver69
lol- I hope that comment wasn't directed towards my videos propagandickhead?
greenmagoos 1 year ago
@stalkervision
thanks sv. thats appreciated.
greenmagoos 1 year ago
"Believers of the moon landings and myself agree that Buzz Aldrin was provoked when he punched Bart Sibrel in the face."
Yes Bart told Buzz he had a litre of whyte+mackay whiskey for him but he wasn't getting it until he swung his fists
watch?v=uZUrj_D13_Y
greenmagoos 1 year ago
JARRAH you JACKASS
bcrumpty 1 year ago
OH NO! NOT A VAGINA!!! WAH WHA STOP WINING!! LAFAO
bcrumpty 1 year ago
Apollo, The Truth!
watch?v=IcF4ZAsT2Do
John Young raped and eat alive two experimental zionist prussian khazari israeli monkey nazi jews
greenmagoos 1 year ago
I have to give it thumbs down. Yes the guy insults dead people and is a piece of shit. But if you really want to prove the landings were fake you better stand above these things. The fact you fall over that 'propagannis' thing proves you have a lot to learn. Humor for instance. Why didn't you start to use that word yourself for fun. And let that Kalel guy make a fool of himself. Now all you have done is make him a martyr. Not a bright thing to do. Apollo fake or true is besides the point.
hauserkaspar 1 year ago
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greenmagoos 1 year ago
@receiver69
well is it any wonder nobody beliebves they landed on the moon when they are parading around on wires on a bellcom moonset in front of projection screens Kubrick used for 2001?
greenmagoos 1 year ago
@receiver69
Well the accident happened after apollo 1 were booked into specific training shecdules and all csm tests for apollo crews were carried out after the same specific period of training .
I believe they were in space on a secret military mission during the training period and the accident had to happen to account for the loss of the apollo 1 crew so it was a staged event.
The same carry on with Aldrins punch to Sibrels jaw. Staged
greenmagoos 1 year ago
@greenmagoos Aldrin's punch to Sibrel's jaw was staged. So you're saying Sibrel is in on the hoax?
mercatormac 1 year ago
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greenmagoos 1 year ago
@receiver69
it was kept secret.
They died in an accident in a csm test which wasn't actually an accident. They were murdered and even Grissom's son think's something dodgy happened so they become martyrs for even moon hoaxers.
Not this moon hoaxer.
I have heard they died in space on a SECRET MILITARY MISSION THAT HAS REMAINED SECRET!
greenmagoos 1 year ago
@receiver69
see thats why I don't always agree with all moon hoax theories and don't and never have idolised any of the apollo crews.
Apollo 1 died in space on a secret military mission and the accident in the csm was set up to cover for the fact they couldn't disclose what apollo 1 were really up to.
Nobody wants to hear those kind of theories so I'm ba-ba-black sheep.
I don't care. I'm a truth seeker
greenmagoos 1 year ago
u were right to report him
YUGIOHSLIFER 1 year ago
jarrah I just looked at lukequixotesanjose website and he wrote up a really touching epitaph to the memory of Bill Kaysing- a good man and decent human being.
Thank you lukequixotesanjose. That's appreciated from me anyways. cheers
greenmagoos 1 year ago
@greenmagoos
Kaysing was a caring husband and father. Kaysing chose to leave the rat race and live according to his morals. Kaysing did great work for veterans. Those things I salute as decent and noble. I didn't agree with him on Apollo. I may have passed the odd slur in the past, but in recent months I have softened towards him because of the good things he did. I still sometimes may say things that I don't mean... but he didn't seem like a bad person. Rene! I dont have a good word.
lukequixotesanjose 1 year ago
@lukequixotesanjose
He did seem like a really nice man. If there is anything I can say in Ralph's defence, I did speak to him once on the phone and I a rare chat with him. Hes the sort of dude I have a lot of time for because he wasn't to be messed around.I don't think he was too keen on Percy and Sibrel and actually sent Aldrin a letter telling him how to break somebody's jaw with one punch that I thought was hilarious .
greenmagoos 1 year ago
@lukequixotesanjose Ralph seemed to have suffered a lot of real pain for years with his arthritis problems which I couldn't help sympathise with. He sounded as if it had really hampered his lifestyle which isn't right for anybody. I don't know health care works in the states because we have the nhs in the uk.
I can appreciate he had some rather controversial other ideas that you are offended with but I would still back most of the ralphs work although not as fervently as jarrah will.
greenmagoos 1 year ago
Jarrah listen go back and look at your original moonfakers where you phoned the sydney herald newspaper etc,
They were excellent. Thats was somebody interested in the moon landings and trying to find the truth because you were reading ralph and kaysings books.
I like trying to find the truth as well but I wouldn't be able to if I spent all my time replying back to people that were purposelly hassleling me.
TELL THEM TO FUCK OFF AND GET BACK TO WHAT YOUR GOOD AT!
greenmagoos 1 year ago
Some of the Apollo defenders have obviously decided that bullying Jarrah is the only way to distract and annoy him. They're hoping that this tactic will make him crack and get rid of him. I really hope he just keeps a level head and ignores them. I do think they take it too far. Astrobrant2 seems to take any criticism on NASA very personally, which is odd.
adiohead 1 year ago
@adiohead
probably because he hets a pay cheque from nasa.
jarrah needs to ignore the silly personal attacks and opponents stuff and concentrate on exposing the moon landings which hes very good at.
greenmagoos 1 year ago
@greenmagoos
Totally agree green.
adiohead 1 year ago
@adiohead Bullying you say? And Jarrah has never done that himself has he? He hasn't harrassed somebody by claiming he had found their personal details (albeit wrong details) and proudly made a video exclaiming how clever he thought he was for doing it has he? He has never stooped to slinging insults has he? He hasn't made videos purely for the purpose of ad hominem attack against his opponents has he? Oh..... wait... he has done all that.....
markjh2005 1 year ago
@markjh2005
so you agree that they are bullying?
adiohead 1 year ago
@adiohead as I said before, you reap as you sow. Jarrah has a long history of slinging insults and ad hominem attacks that can be traced back to before his time on YT, and without provocation on the part of those he has attacked. Now, if that's how he rolls, he can hardly expect not to receive it in kind, nor can he start crying foul when he does receive it.
markjh2005 1 year ago
I don't believe Buzz Aldrin was provoked btw. I think it was a set up to get Buzz more money for his bevvy habit.
He's still interested in men wresteling with each other I noticed the other day though-lol
Buzz Aldrin at WWE Raw wrestling in Toronto
watch?v=5zy3mZdkZf4
WWE Raw 5/17/10 Guest Host: Buzz Aldrin (HD)
watch?v=L6wcHnFfxVQ
greenmagoos 1 year ago
The twelve headed jackass of bablyon.
greenmagoos 1 year ago
@greenmagoos
You're dumb. You unwittingly betrayed Jarrah with your "strange bootprint" video.
You hoaxtards aren't supposed to show video evidence of detailed bootprints being created, but as dumb as you are, GM, you damn well did it.
Moron.
TremorHellborn 1 year ago
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greenmagoos 1 year ago
@greenmagoos
Defend your evidence please.
What is so strange about a bootprint that is clearly and sharply defined, plus produces no dustcloud when it is created?
And let's not forget what the grandson said about no bootprints existing on the Moon.
Bring it, Magoos. Let's see how smart you are.
TremorHellborn 1 year ago
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greenmagoos 1 year ago
@greenmagoos
By golly! You sure are one ambiguous conspiracy theorist!
Yeah, I am a spacenut. And YOU, sir, are very wrong about Apollo.
TremorHellborn 1 year ago
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greenmagoos 1 year ago
@greenmagoos
That reminds me of a passage from one of Kurt Cobain's journals. (He was soooo fucked up.)
If you are not in the mood to discuss Apollo right now, that's okay with me.
TremorHellborn 1 year ago
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greenmagoos 1 year ago
@greenmagoos
The name "Cobain" is native Irish. The name existed long before the arrival of the anglo-saxons. However my bloodline, "Hilborn", is anglo-saxon.
TremorHellborn 1 year ago
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greenmagoos 1 year ago
@greenmagoos Indeed you are right GM. I for one would like to see the man (Jarrah) himself come on here and defend his position, if he can. Or is he just waiting for the the brouhaha to die down and then hope he can move on and hope we all forget his fallacies as is his normal modus operandi? It seems that he is not able to think on his feet in a forum debate without losing it and resorting to insults and needs the time to compose a script and a video.
markjh2005 1 year ago
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greenmagoos 1 year ago
@greenmagoos Again you are right GM. It is folly to think that by getting a video removed on YT will stop or hinder anyone else from doing the same thing again. If anything you are only going to increase the resolve of those that you are trying to censor along with increasing opposition towards yourself and your agenda. It didn't work for the likes of venomfangx or geerup. Perhaps Jarrah could learn a thing or two from that YT fiasco.
markjh2005 1 year ago
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greenmagoos 1 year ago
So Jarrah, do you confirm that Pookie discovered the C rock. If the original version of his book didn't contain mention of the C rock, maybe you could show us that page in your 1992 copy of Ralph's book where his other issues with AS16-107-17446 were discussed. Any photos of Collins spacewalking would've been taken by Collins. During EVA-2 he was busy trying to keep two spacecraft together. They were low on fuel and and the spacecrafts were wobbling. He was concerned with survival not photos.
ProppaGannis 1 year ago
@ProppaGannis*CORRECTION* any photos of Collins spacewalking would've been taken by YOUNG. And he was indeed busy keeping two spacecraft together.
ProppaGannis 1 year ago
@ProppaGannis
not that it makes a great deal of difference in the land of 'non-suicidals have their limits', is that an admittance that jarrah got something correct?
I know he probably shouldn't get involved in slanging matches and in many ways hes as guilty but I wouldn't be happy getting that sort of abuse especially if I'd been younger..... not that I haven't had a chuckle myself. If you took out the ashes clip I'm sure old Ralph and Bill would have laughed for a min or two as well.
greenmagoos 1 year ago
@greenmagoos Nope, I was just correcting my earlier comment where I wrote Collins but meant Young. It's true that Collins lost HIS camera, but that has nothing to do with the fact that there are no photos of him (Collins) spacewalking. Suggesting that he is referring to his lost camera when he says there are no photos of him spacewalking is wishful thinking on JW's part.
ProppaGannis 1 year ago
@ProppaGannis
this seems to be million miles away from what ralph was highlighting in his moon hoaxbook. that somebody or other had altered a photo of collins in training that was included in collins book.
the fact that rene highlighted this nearly 20 years ago is suffice for me. you two can argue about it all you want.
greenmagoos 1 year ago
@greenmagoos it is a million miles away. Ralph found an odd picture and immediately saw something sinister. Since it was taken on Gemini he concluded the faking of photos started then. But a little research shows the photo in question was never used in NASA press releases and never showed up until Collins' book. He made a conclusion based on his gut feeling, not evidence. And if you're going to fake one, why not fake more? Why not fake 5 to 10 or more photos of Collins spacewalking?
ProppaGannis 1 year ago
@ProppaGannis
i know i hear you. for 'myself' as far as I'm concerned ralph highlighted a 'space' photo that was 'altered' and placed in a book to give an artistic impression of collins spacewalking, although it wasn't actually an authentic gemini spacewalk photo.
the fact that it was 'altered' is the message i took from it.
greenmagoos 1 year ago
@greenmagoos I don't think there is any debate that the original photo was altered. But there's just no evidence to suggest that it was altered for some nefarious means. Was it an interesting find? Sure. Does it do anything to prove a hoax was perpetrated? Not so much. Is there any evidence to say NASA did the alterations? No. So really someone at the publishing house is to blame for creating this non issue.
ProppaGannis 1 year ago
@ProppaGannis
There might be no evidence to say that nasa definitely altered it but there's been no evidence to suggest it was definitely somebody at the publishing house!
Given that the photo was nasa's own property and collins was a nasa military astro its entirely possible that the work could only have been carried out on behalf of collins by nasa not the publishing house.
the pub house need to have got copyright permission from nasa to do that surely?
greenmagoos 1 year ago
@greenmagoos Agreed there is no evidence to prove either NASA or the publisher made the alterations. Again the photo was never used in a NASA press release. Which to me, suggests that it was one of many offered to the publisher for inclusion of the book. Maybe I'm not the best one to ask about copyright laws at this point ;) But NASA photos are public domain. The publisher wouldn't need permission to alter the photo. The placement of the photo suggests the publisher did the alterations.
ProppaGannis 1 year ago
@ProppaGannis
ah well they are public doman do what you want with them in a u-tube video 40 years after the event nowadays with the internet and all
I doubt they were as easily accesible back then and they would be under more strignent observation by nasa as to what a publishing house was doing with them seeing as they were still relatively recent?
greenmagoos 1 year ago
@greenmagoos NASA could have observed the alterations and/or made suggestions, but they couldn't have stopped the publisher from using the photo in any way that wasn't malicious. The fact that it was a training photo that was never used by NASA suggests that it wasn't all that important to them. And again, if NASA was going to fake 1 photo to suggest it was an actual photo of Collins space walking, why not fake 2, 3 or more? The only way to know for sure is to question the publisher.
ProppaGannis 1 year ago
@ProppaGannis
I'm not saying that it was of vital importance to them I just think nasa just used to fire out a small-ish selection of photos to publishing houses although I cannot be sure.
At the end of the day we all know its been altered, its an artisitic impression,and Collins doesn't have any photos of the spacewalk because the camera flew off? is that correct-i've fogotten because I keep seeing the 12 headed donkey of bablyon and jawas?
greenmagoos 1 year ago
@greenmagoos Now if JW can show us the page in the 1992 edition of Ralph's book where as16-107-17446 is discussed but the "c" rock is NOT mentioned, I'll be the first one to admit JW was correct about that part and Pookie was the discoverer of the "c" rock. JW has issues with Steve Troy's conclusion regarding the "c" rock but wants us to accept the validity of Pookie's findings. That dog won't hunt.
ProppaGannis 1 year ago
@ProppaGannis
i'm a bit perplexed about this myself to tell you the truth. i know ralph was working on that apollo 16 photo from some publication and was getting a lot of hassle trying to get copies sent from nasa- well before the alsj was on line remember!
I can see where your coming from -he missed the 'c' rock himself and its his friends daughter who spotted it from his own book. Its possible ralph or somebody else printed his book as soon as he received the sent print and missed it?
greenmagoos 1 year ago
@greenmagoos And that was the point I made in my video. I too was perplexed by Ralph's statement. I also sensed a bit of amazement in JW's voice during the conversation with Ralph. As I said before, JW can put this one to bed by showing us the first edition of Ralph's book where as-16-107-17446 is discussed but the "c" rock was NOT mentioned. If he can, I'm ready to admit he's right about this one.
ProppaGannis 1 year ago
@ProppaGannis
was that print of the photo with the 'c' on it not is some astronomy or space book as well?
I think that girl possibly spotted it in the other book and brought it to ralphs attention..... I'm finding it difficult to believe ralph wouldn't have spotted it myself so possibly something has been forgotten in the telling of the tale
greenmagoos 1 year ago
@greenmagoos It was published in a book JW refers to which I believe was published in 1981.
I think your theory here is more likely to be the case rather than the explanation Ralph and JW has offered us. But again, a first edition of Ralph's book would solve the mystery.
ProppaGannis 1 year ago
@ProppaGannis
well I don't have it and I always assumed the rock with the c on it photo had been spotted in the other astronomy book not ralphs own
greenmagoos 1 year ago
@greenmagoos Ralph's biblography lists The Illustrated Encyclopedia of SPACE TECHNOLOGY Gatland, 1981, Salamander Books. In JW's "Rocks and Crocks" part 1 video Ralph says he found the photo in this book. And then at the end of "Rocks and Crocks" part 2 Ralph says Pookie found it in his book. Can you see why I jumped on this issue? Which story of Ralph's should we believe?
ProppaGannis 1 year ago
@ProppaGannis
The first one I think.Presumably thats the 1981 book that had the c rock photo Ralph has credited in his book?
Yes I can see why you did. I was wondering wtf is going on here when I watched this the other day.
greenmagoos 1 year ago
@greenmagoos I'm working on re-editing my videos to remove anything that belongs to or may directly offend JW. Once I get everything back up, I'll send you the links and you can judge my work for yourself.
It's been good conversing with you GM but it's time for me to unplug from the matrix and get some real world stuff done. I'll talk to you soon.- KJK
ProppaGannis 1 year ago
@ProppaGannis
Yes its a bonnie day up here as well. I think I'll head out with my camera.
I appreciate the offer and I will check out your vids when re-edited. Nice speaking to you as well. cheers
greenmagoos 1 year ago
@greenmagoos Did I go to far in some of my videos? That's a matter of opinion. And we are all free to form those types of opinions. It might be easier to judge my work if it wasn't removed for dubious reasons. My previous account was never flagged for community violations. JW could have filed one CR notice and I would've got the message. But he filed on a group of videos one day and the rest a few days later ensuring my account would be suspended. The same could happen to any of us.
ProppaGannis 1 year ago
@ProppaGannis
I don't have a problem with that type of humour when its directed against people in the public eye who can handle it.
And I actually have pissed myself laughing at some of the segments Jarrah has included here. I'm not out to hurt his feelings. Its the truth.
It doesn't change my opinion of the majority of Ralph and Bills work and jarrah as well of course.
He should ignore response videos if its upsetting him.
greenmagoos 1 year ago
@greenmagoos But how are we supposed to know JW can or cannot handle it? He comes across as confident and self assured. He has no problem insulting others but plays the victim card when he gets a dose of his own medicine. My comedy heroes are guys like Lenny Bruce, Don Rickles and Bill Hicks. My goal here is to entertain, not to convince anyone on either side, of anything. I think we can all agree this controversy will never die, so I don't waste too much time trying to change minds.
ProppaGannis 1 year ago
@ProppaGannis
I'm not in agreement with the way jarrah has attempted to grade the abuse he receives as accpetable or non-acceptable and his statement that he could have shut 3 apollogists down if he felt like it sounds a bit dictatorish to be honest.
This is a subject thats only of interest to us that are interested in the moon landings. NONE of us are getting a million hits a day here on u-tube discussing,debating, and slagging over the moon landings and wether they happened or not!
greenmagoos 1 year ago
@greenmagoos Agreed, this subject only interests a select few. I have often stated that in a way I am thankful for the hoax believers because it gives all of us reason to study the issue in greater detail. Disagreeing on a subject that we are all passionate about can be difficult. But censoring opposing views is just wrong and lodging bogus CR complaints on a timetable that assures suspension is dirty pool.
ProppaGannis 1 year ago
@greenmagoos You should also know that while my sarcastic humor can get dark, my correspondence with JW has never been anything but polite, on both ends. I suggested many times that he ignore his detractors. I suggested that he does himself and his cause a disservice by getting into the mudslinging. I even complemented him on one of his tribute videos. He could've PM'd me and said stop using my stuff or this offends me, but he didn't. I'm not a heartless bastard, I just play one on Youtube.
ProppaGannis 1 year ago
@ProppaGannis
well can't disagree with anything you just said really. i've been a total nasty bastard on here when I felt it was called for .
I don't behave like that in general away from the computer screen
greenmagoos 1 year ago
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greenmagoos 1 year ago
@greenmagoos
Seen it... I'll PM you a story...
lukequixotesanjose 1 year ago
@greenmagoos
Shane does blow a gasket from time to time... but I think it's part of Shane's act and the way he gets his message across. it's his way. It's his evocative manner. We're all different GMs.
lukequixotesanjose 1 year ago
@lukequixotesanjose
yes we areand you need to have a thick skin if you are going to dish it out. I agree with your message btw.
greenmagoos 1 year ago
@greenmagoos
I agree. Jarrah dishes it out himself, and I think he needs to gain a thicker skin. Maybe if he responded with humour in kind, we could all get on better. For a start, I'd wish he'd stop calling me an opponent. I happen to disagree with him on the moon landings and I don't like some of his tactics. But then, and I've told him this before, I don't actually think he's a bad kid. I actually think he has some great talents and wish he'd use them in better way.
lukequixotesanjose 1 year ago
@lukequixotesanjose
he could get a job at the houston space centre as a tour guide as long as they don't watch u-tube vids- lol
Jarrah ignore the silly vids and enjoy something you are excellent at- investigating the moon landings
greenmagoos 1 year ago
@greenmagoos
I actually think he could be a good journalist exposing real scandals, maybe even a lawyer, taking on cases from the less fortunate in society. He does have a good heart, and I think he cares for people. That's a wonderful gift GM... a tour guide at the HSC... that would be funny... 'This is a LM, it never went to the moon...' 'This is a space suit... it was never used in anger, fake...' He'd get his P45 after the first day.
lukequixotesanjose 1 year ago
@lukequixotesanjose
yes he's got a good heart and his enthusiasm for the subject at hand can be overwhelming.
If he was able to channel that enthusiasm into something like investigative journalism I'd have no doubts he would do a lot for people less fortunate in society and by God there are lot out there in terrible situations
Jarrah even our opponents don't think were as bad as there response videos make us out to be.
greenmagoos 1 year ago
@greenmagoos
No, I don't think many of you are that bad. I have seen red for some comments from a few members of the hoax community. I have a lot of issues with Ralph, and I think the scietific legacy he left was an affront to briliant minds. I have studied those subjects and taught them, and know what hard work it takes to understadn them fully. I found him offensive. I actually have a soft spot for Kaysing, and that is where I have divergent views from many of the Apollo defenders.
lukequixotesanjose 1 year ago
@greenmagoos
And thank you for acknowledging that we're all not that bad. An olive branch accepted GM...
lukequixotesanjose 1 year ago
@lukequixotesanjose same to yourself
who's doing the voice and music during the jackass sequence in this vid btw?
Thats a potential rock star- lol
If there had been no Ralph and Bill we wouldn't all be here going off our nuts debating something we are all passionatly interested in and I don';t always agree with everything they had to say myself
greenmagoos 1 year ago
@greenmagoos
No idea on the voice...
lukequixotesanjose 1 year ago
@lukequixotesanjose
well whoever it was its really well done. outwith the images and general blasphemous anti-hoax vibe- lol, its a good mix of voice with the backing track
greenmagoos 1 year ago
@greenmagoos
Whichever side of the fence yu sit on regrading these vids... KJK is one talented guy when it comes to satire, music and imagery... he's got an amazing eye.
lukequixotesanjose 1 year ago
@lukequixotesanjose
well I would have to agree and I hope Jarrah appeciates where I'm coming from here. I thought that sequence was really well done both in a visual sense while mixing music with a rap like that . Thats creative art
greenmagoos 1 year ago
@greenmagoos his name is Rusty Shackleford.
ProppaGannis 1 year ago
@ProppaGannis
Rusty Shackelford and the big orange labia lips
greenmagoos 1 year ago
jarrah if there was any point removing the vid with the vagina in it I've already checked u-tube and the apollogists appear determined to get round the copyright claim removal by uploading new vids featuring the vagina.
There are no vaginas on the moon as far as I'm aware?
greenmagoos 1 year ago
@greenmagoos
True magoos, the Apollo nauts brought no vaginas back, reported no vaginas. The surveyor probes did not fnd vaginas on the moon. Don't thnk SELENE nor the LRO has spotted any yet. But the question is... who owned the vagina's copyright.
lukequixotesanjose 1 year ago
@lukequixotesanjose
thats a good question? are you talking about real ladies front bits or the vagina featured in the picture?
greenmagoos 1 year ago
@greenmagoos
Ah... now, that's a good question of clarification GM. Are we talking about real vaginas that are attached to a woman, or just huge model ones that are cycled around Amsterdam on a bike by a Dutch woman. Shall we probe the vagina on the bike?
lukequixotesanjose 1 year ago
@lukequixotesanjose
ah well if that photo was taken in red light district there shouldn't be too much of a copyright issue because the display and sale of vaginas is perfectly legal under current dutch/eu pornography for cannabis tokers regulations
Perhaps this is a claim for the european parliament to decide?
greenmagoos 1 year ago
@greenmagoos
GM, the European parliament would take several years to decide this issue. But I am sure you are right here, despite lack of legal precedent. Having been to Amsterdam, such wares are on display in windows, but I am not sure if one is allowed to take photos of them. This may be due to the brothel owners rather than copyright.
lukequixotesanjose 1 year ago
@lukequixotesanjose
I think there may indeed be a legal problem if you were to use any sort of reproduction of an **actual** vagina attached to a women in a u-tube video. That would not be acceptable whatsoever and may get you in trouble with the ***actual*** law.
Photos of big orange vaginas that appear to have been taken at some type of sex march for deviants is probably ok but don't quote me on that!
greenmagoos 1 year ago
@greenmagoos
I own't quote you on that... promise... LOL...
lukequixotesanjose 1 year ago
BTW Jarrah, Kalel is pronounced "Kal-L", not "Kal EEL".
Don't know if anyone else bothered to correct him, but the comic nerd in me raged.
Europasingstome 1 year ago
I wouldn't have reported him. Reporting people and flagging videos is never justified in my opinion. When people make fun of you, the best you can do is laugh with them, or just ignore them. There would be no such thing as comedy, if the people being made fun of had to approve of it.
D4Shawn 1 year ago
jarrah where these videos just crazy piss take skits or was there anything relevant to copyright issues in that they were challenging Bill and Ralph's theories?
I didn't see any of them. I have seen some of the other piss takes. big deal about nothing like you said
greenmagoos 1 year ago
we call vaginas fudds and fannies in caledonia.
They aren't ideal descriptives but they don't sound quite as cllinical and offensive to ones ears !
greenmagoos 1 year ago
who put together the music and voice at 3.19?
greenmagoos 1 year ago
kjk pwnd
wardydave 1 year ago
If there is ever some natural catastrophe with the sun and the atmosphere, and we needed protection from a lack of the magnetosphere, we only have to get some of the thin foil material that was used on 11. That's probably all future space travel needs for 100% protection. It supposedly worked all the way to the moon. It should work on the way to Mars or interstellar travel. Aluminum foil - protection against radiation, meteors, comets and black holes. Who would've guessed.
nebnubs 1 year ago
Tough call.. I think he got served in this video and that might have been enough. :)
TrutherD1 1 year ago
This will be worth at least one video response. One having to do with the Collins incident, which I'm sure you'll love, as I will show who's really doing the quote mining and taking things out of context.
The other will be about how you filed copyright complaints against at least ten of KJK's videos, probably after YT wouldn't do anything about the vagina picture. IOW, you were trying to get his account terminated. I may combine that with the blurring of Rene's text that you did.
Astrobrant2 1 year ago
They are all weak Jarrah...Otherwise they could provide direct, and undisputable truth of a moon landing...Instead they attack in stupid, childish videos which provide no substance what-so-ever...
Rock on Jarrah!
un4g1v3n1 1 year ago
@un4g1v3n1 Uhmm..."They" have. As much as some of the people who post videos about Jarrah's work (and the moon hoax theory in general) might talk shit, poke fun, or "troll" Jarrah, it doesn't mean they all haven't found suitable and legit answers for all of the claims made by conspiracy theorist.
Some people just won't see it.
Europasingstome 1 year ago
@un4g1v3n1
Before saying anything, take a look at your own standards, e.g.
watch?v=nCpx2qykQRk
You need help.
BlisterHiker 1 year ago
@un4g1v3n1
'Rock on Jarrah!'
Are you using Rock as a verb un4. That may have a different meaning. You might like to take a look at your own behaviour and videos before making comments about attacking 'opponents' with childish videos. We can juxtapose some of your 'research' against your hypocritcal statement. As for proof of landing, between all you hoaxheads, I fail to see any proof we did not go. Radiation research.... pfft. A set of loose facts jumbled together in an editing suite.
lukequixotesanjose 1 year ago
@lukequixotesanjose
Luke, you blame un4g1v3n of bad behavior. Yet look at your own comment! In one comment you go on calling him "childish", "hypocritical" and a "hoaxhead".
Jarrah here is however defending, and it is a high time! So cruel and tasteless are the Apollo believers' insults against him (and Rene).
Aurinkohirvi 1 year ago
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@Aurinkohirvi
I did not call un4 childish, I said:
'You might like to take a look at your own behaviour and videos before making comments about attacking 'opponents' with childish videos'
I was pointing to his demented troll/svector vid. How about un4 calling me a paedophile. How about pt1gard saying I was deformed and never got out, or another hoaxer who said my father probably sodomised me? All within weeks of joining the debate. You condone this? You wonder why I see red at times?
lukequixotesanjose 1 year ago
@Aurinkohirvi
So, cut the moralising. Calling someone an hypocrite is not bad behaviour if one can justify it, and I think I can justify my use of that word in this case. The real issue here is that jarrah has made a complaint of cyber bullying... yet he pulled KJK on copyright. Let me think. He got around YT's ineffective violation policy, and went for something that YT wuold notice. Why... because he has put himself him the public eye and cannot deal with satire.
lukequixotesanjose 1 year ago
@Aurinkohirvi
Politicans, celebs, sportsmen/women etc etc deal with satire and scrutiny on a daily basis. Jarrah could not deal with it. Time to get of the kitchen, or get a sense of humour implant in my opinion... so, summarising. Don't make out the hoax believers are as pure as the driven snow, as you are not... far from it.
And as for Rene. I don't have time for him, and if he was alive now, he'd have much sharper scourn poured on him. He was a crude mouthpiece worth very little.
lukequixotesanjose 1 year ago
@lukequixotesanjose
Why do you say Jarrah couldn't deal with it ? He dealt with it by ignoring it at first, and by reporting videos later, and it is his right. Are you suggesting, that WJ shouldn't be allowed to report videos if he feel that anything worth the video to be reported ? While YOU for example, would have that right?
You have no time for Rene, but you make several video on him... you are quite the hypocrite, you know that ? Along with being insecure that is.
AstroClownBuster 1 year ago
>> it is interesting to note, that moontrue account has been banned lately, along with all his videos (few of them being the most interesting, and damaging to the apollo fairy tale to date) I didn't see anyone amongs the apollo fanboys, expressing anything about moontrue freedom of speech, or anything along this line.
In comparison, KJK (who is a degenerate), become some kind of martyr, if we listen to you insecure apollo fanboys clique... Altough he's already back as Popagannis or something
AstroClownBuster 1 year ago
@AstroClownBuster If I had a problem with a video and it was due to what Jarrah states above; cyber harassment and bullying, I wouldn't be using a *copyright* claim to silence the video maker then go about saying, "oh boo hoo, everyone is picking on me..". Jarrah is simply manipulating the YT system in a way not intended to silence those that criticise him and his work. And don't tell me Jarrah has never taken images from others videos or not used ad homine attacks on others.
markjh2005 1 year ago
@markjh2005
He didn't silenced the video maker, he reported one or several of his video; and YT taken actions.
AstroClownBuster 1 year ago
@AstroClownBuster If that's what you think has happened here then you are well out of the loop and are swallowing the above diatribe hook, line and sinker. At any rate, you don't claim a copyright issue then go on to make a video entitled " JW Responds to *Cyber Bullying* by Propogandists". Everyone on YT is aware that a bogus DCMA or CR claim, against another here is a sure fire way of shutting up someone. Look at venomfangx for an example.
markjh2005 1 year ago
@markjh2005
I already see this video, and i just reported it.
AstroClownBuster 1 year ago
@markjh2005
Everyone use ad hominem on others, you just make me laugh here.
AstroClownBuster 1 year ago
@AstroClownBuster And there we have it people! from the mouth of AstroClownBuster. By your own admission you say *everyone* makes ad hominem attacks on people, that is- insulting or belittling one's opponent, but can also involve pointing out factual but ostensible character flaws or actions which are irrelevant to the opponent's argument.
So if everyone does it, why should Jarrah be treated as "special case" if *everyone* is slanging each other off????? Thankyou AstroClownBuster.
markjh2005 1 year ago
@markjh2005
@markjh2005
That is what I meant, WJ is not a special case, he surely have used (and use/ will use) ad hominem, and since he's not special case, he can ALSO report videos for reasons he find worthy of a report, including those with ad hominem.
AstroClownBuster 1 year ago
@AstroClownBuster No, I'm quite sure that's not what you meant at all, but you're here now and can't bear to back away from it, can you?
So him using ad hominem attacks is OK but if he finds an ad hominem attack against himself he can report it? That is *not* the purpose of a copyright claim in the first place and smacks of complete hypocrisy. Think about what you are saying.
markjh2005 1 year ago
@markjh2005
On the contrary, I'm quite sure that is what I meant.
Him using ad hominem is as OKAY as anyone else using ad hominem.
It is not the purpose of a copyright claim, unless the ad hominem are used through the use of copyrighted material.
AstroClownBuster 1 year ago
@AstroClownBuster
Copyright is copyright... you can't use copyright law because someone has taken an image from the public domain and used it for satrical purposes. That's not copyright law. Copyright law is the use of intellectual property without the consent of the owner. If I took JW's videos and tried to sell them, then Jarrah could take me for copyright. You need to go and check the law ACB. It's not even defamation.
lukequixotesanjose 1 year ago
@AstroClownBuster If what you say is correct, then it would fair to say that he is here purely at the discretion of those that he, as he puts, "steals videos" from to use in his own videos.
Do you really think that Jarrah would want all those people that he has "stolen" video from to come down on him with CR and DCMA claims when this is his very last stronghold as he fails to be able to handle himself in other forums?
That is what this could all theoretically come to with your reasoning.
markjh2005 1 year ago
@AstroClownBuster And I will go further: Just because Jarrah has the ability to "report" a video does not give him the right to abuse the ability to suit his own needs. It calls in to question his ethics and certainly his motivations. Now if Jarrah had never made a video using parts of others videos, or not engaged in ad hominem attacks then I would be more understanding, however this is not the case and so he is an outright hypocrite.
markjh2005 1 year ago
@AstroClownBuster
To say 'I have no time for someone' means that I really don't hold them in great esteem. It's a colloquial English phrase which does not have a literal meaning. It's a phrase of disdain and represents disgust. It does not mean that I am excluded from discussing Ralph, or taking part in exposing his fraud and legacy. You don't get to define the phrase to create a strawman to blow down.
lukequixotesanjose 1 year ago
@lukequixotesanjose
Ok, so by saying that you had no time for him, you actually meant, that you put a great deal of time and effort, trying to paint him as he is evoking for you (disdain and disgust only, right ?)
All of it, for the sake of trying to 'defend' what you believe to be so certain (the apollo mission as advertised in this case) right ?
Well, thank for the update, this is indeed sounding as insecure as it get, and it is quite consistent with you.
AstroClownBuster 1 year ago
@AstroClownBuster
I've told you, I'm immune to the insecure tag that you have labelled me. So continue with you self depricating irony, and your positon of hypocrisy. Here you are defending Jarrah's claim of harrassment, yet continue with your insult to provoke me. Now, was Jarrah correct to use copyright to silence lawful satire and artistic licence. Is that the Stalinist world hoax proponents live in? Tell me. If you gained power tomorrow, would you have the likes of me up against a wall?
lukequixotesanjose 1 year ago
@lukequixotesanjose
You missed the point, i don't say that you are immune, i say that you are insecure.
You are not immune to insecurity, you ARE insecure, get it ?
Who is the one who lost all of his free time trying to find anything to throw back at WJ or Rene, because they are critical of what YOU believe to be so certain (so certain, but not certain enough to be safe without you defending it, right ?...)
You are this person, do you deny this ? This is your insecurity.
AstroClownBuster 1 year ago
@AstroClownBuster Good work AstroClownBuster, not only do you have a hypocritical and indefensible view of what is and isn't fair play when it comes to CR and "reporting", you now have a hypocritical view on free speech and the right to present an alternate view. Want to go three for three? Why don't you go and have another tantrum and flag my "Draw Muhummad Day" video because you can't express yourself adequately and see where that gets you.
markjh2005 1 year ago
@markjh2005
Mark, this demonstrates the mentality of the moon hoax conspiracy movement. I have been accused of being insecure and attacked here by ACB, and when i did not bite he said he flagged my video. And here we also have Jarrah poisoning the well by making more references to me, AB2, PW59... what does that have to do with his claim. Do they believe their own mantra...
lukequixotesanjose 1 year ago