You don't go to the company site to get their stats... you go to Consumer Reports. The EPA.GOV are the people trying to SELL YOU A VOLT. Think hard sell car salesman....
I went to Consumer Reports, and you all might check it out yourselves.... this guy ra5928 is just a sleazy car salesman... The Volt is an overpriced, coal-polluting, taxpayer subsidized, heavier-than-usual car that the government can't seem to sell. I wonder why...
Try the FREE MARKET, GM.. you know, make something ppl want
For honest co2 emissions for Volt, search co2 + Volt. Click on physics.uci.edu. Different utility companies have different listings because of the types of fuel used. Coal emits the worst. ½ lb per mile. The national avg. is .34 lbs co2 / mile. An avg. ICE car is 1 lb. / mile. So the Volt emits about 65% less co2 on avg. I live in the area that emits fewest co2 (CA. Standards) .15 lb. co2 per mi. That's 150 lbs. per 10k mi. vs. 1000 lbs per 10k mi. ICE veh
I hear a broken record! Do you hear a broken record? Went back 5 pages, the broken record repeated this 5 times! Got it's ass stomped then. No need to answer a broken record.
Anyone old enough to remember Dinah Shore singing "See the U.S.A. in your Chevrolet"? Well, if you're not old enough to remember that, you can look that up on youtube; I'm sure it's there somewhere.
Anyway, the Volt has an electric motor AND a gasoline motor AND a heavy battery array therefore weighs more than your average compact. So on long trips, almost everything gets better mileage than a Volt.
Today GM should hire say Lindsay Lohan to sing: "Go see East L.A., in your Chevrolet"
@ra5928 Sure... coal is cheaper than gas and when you plug in to the electric grid, and anyone can look this up, 50% of electricity comes from coal.
So enjoy paying 40 grand for a car that pollutes more than gasoline cars do, and, you can know that most of the cost of your car was paid for by other taxpayers. Must make you swell with pride!
@FluffableGerbie Sure. There's a guy in here trying to sell Volts. Oh!!! I'm sorry, am I offending your sensibilities?, after all this is only a commercial done by a government bailed out company that paid no taxes in 2010 and as of TODAY:
"Any employees who opt out of the Volt program will not be compensated for their expenses. Those who do choose to drive the Volt will be reimbursed for public charging and home charging costs, in addition to gas uses." -- Source: Gas 2.0
BTW, I served 3 years in hell holes and I know what it's like to be lucky to be alive. I have every right to speak my mind. People like you profess you believe in freedom, but you hate people who use their freedom. That's called hypocracy. For instance, Obama has killed more Al Quida than Bush did. They want him gone. They hope people like you get him out. That's called aiding and abetting. I didn't vote for him, but there is a shooting war going on idiot. Stand by your flag!
I agree you have the right of free speech and therefore the right to praise fascism over capitalism. Personally I think Hitler and Mussolini had it wrong, but you have every right to your opinion and every right to speak out about your beliefs.
You bring up a new unrelated topic about how you like how Obama kills more Al Qaeda than Bush did, and that's fine. Free speech allows you to let EVERYONE know how unfocused and scatterbrained you are.
Oh my... such ignorance. @deanzsyclone, seems you don't know technology moves on and it is we that have to adapt, not a company to its employees. It's your entitlement attitude that keeps you dependent and a beggar.
@ra5928 Thanks for letting me know you believe in fascism over capitalism. I already got that idea from your previous comments, and I honestly appreciate your forthrightness in admitting it. I know capitalism is THE way to create prosperity -- my own extended family proved that.
Free market principles? Did you know that in 1939, Japan kicked out U.S. automakers because their industry was going under? Did you also know that when Honda was king, Japan literally carried Toyota for years! They also subsidize their companies in this country. I am no knocking that. At least the Japanese have the balls to tell everyone that their workers & industries come first. All we have are a bunch of haters of American workers & products.
It's good to see an american car finally changed something other than exterior since 70's... just keep in mind that while you've finally managed to produce hybrid, Toyota is already working on something far advanced.
@ak99372 FYI. The Volt is not a hybrid. In fact, it was the first car of it's type in the world. Jaguar, Mercedez, BMW & others will follow suit. The Society of Automotive Engineers named it best engineered car. Motorweek named it Drivers Choice, Best Of Year. Popular Science awarded the Best Of What's New. It received the 2011 Edison Award and a host of other awards. At $4 for gas, you can get up to 150 mpg in EV mode depending on charging costs. You can't do that in a hybrid.
Am I the only one here who admires this commercial for its humor and doesn't give a rat's behind about the accuracy of the utility of the "hybrid" concept?
@MrStimpy77 I have to agree with ra5928 on the hybrid thing - see, a hybrid gets it's battery energy from the engine, but the Volt plugs into the grid - that's why the Volt is cheaper to drive short distances, as it uses Coal (the electric grid is powered by 50% coal, look it up) which is cheap.
So if you want a car that initially costs you more, costs the taxpayers a LOT more, pollutes the atmosphere more, BUT COSTS LESS TO DRIVE SHORT DISTANCES, then the Volt is the car for you!
@mollesjohn This commercial is meant to be laughed at, not studied like the alien characters are doing. Watch the aliens, did you see them say "hi hi hi hi" to the man's wife? That's your cue. Shut up and laugh.
@mollesjohn I like the way you especially left out the fact that when EV's charge in the evening (like the majority) coal is throttled back in favor of nuclear energy. You know since demand is less and nuc can't be throttled back, so coal is. Or how even one tenth the pollution is used to produce electricity to power the car to go the same distance that the gas would of produced, even if it was all coal that did it! You should work for bill o'reilly writing team, you'd fit in well.
Man, dude! You just keep repeating the same things over and over and over. You are just hoping that new people to this thread don't go back a couple pages and see how you get your ass stomped!
I like the feeling of running around silently and non-polluting, but a few facts get in the way...
1. 50% of our electricity comes from coal. So if you are recharging from the grid, you're polluting more than gasoline cars that have computers and catalytic converters.
2. Unlike most cars, the vast majority of R&D and manufacturing costs was not paid by GM, but by the taxpayer, so if you buy a Volt, taxpayers are paying for most of it.
3. The tax credit means the taxpayer even pays $10K MORE!
@mollesjohn ewww I like this one too.. Love how you left out that it's really a tax credit, which means if you bought something that gave you a tax credit like a tankless hot water heater, or volt... you as the tax payer that bought it simply dont have to pay as much taxes as you would have had to that year, and I as a tax payer would of NOT been charged one cent for your purchase. Good job on spreading those lies, but I hate to tell you we can see through your bullshit.
@Deanzsyclone and yes again we spot your lie on option #1, charges majority of the time take place at night, when coal is throttled back, and of course it coal produces 10 times less pollution to create the electricity that it takes to drive the same distance with a gas vehicle.
@mollesjohn and of course good old #2, tax payers only end up paying for it if GM collapses and does not repay. But of course we all know that's not what's happening, but you people continue to spew the half truth but seem to preach the no spin zone, but in fact does EXACTLY that. Oh and don't forget, that GM is 1. almost half way done paying back the money the were loaned that you cry about paying for 2. Is now number one in sales on PLANET EARTH!
@Deanzsyclone GM already collapsed or don't you know how to read... and my family growing up liked GM, but my family also believed in free market principles, and when my family's business was in trouble, they didn't declare bankruptcy... they sold the company and paid the stockholders. You wouldn't know a thing about ethics like that. What you know about is how to beg, then once you get what you begged for, you think you deserve honor. You aren't even grateful to we the people.
@mollesjohn AWESOME, you and your family are quitters, and you think that's ethics, now you make sense to me. Thank God GM didn't pull that shit on their employees, hard at work today because GM didn't ditch it all and say fuck it, and give some petty amount left over to the stock holders. You are an embarrassment to the US, congrats. FYI stock holder's know it's a risk, I know because of my million shares I own, it CAN be lost, the company comes first not the holder, smart holders know this
@Deanzsyclone I meant the idea of fossil fuel engine running just a generator of power and than electric motor driving the wheels. But something tells me, that idea of plugging stuff in an electric plug to charge bateries is not all that new either.
@teac4444 I guess with that sort of logic being used in trying to make a point you could then also say that telivisions using led's inside of them since the 80's is nothing new. Even though the difference of using an led to notify you the power is on, versus todays use is to give a fantastic picture is actually night and day diifference in reality. Kind of a deceptive, or cheap way to be right.
@Deanzsyclone I guess that you are that sort of ppl,that always have to be right and even thou they are proved wrong,they take things into extreme. BTW my first comment was kind of a joke. I like Volt
And once again, the tax credit is not a subsidy. How many times do you have to be hit over the head with that one? It is a tax return, applied for at tax time using IRS form 8834. Not one red cent comes from your pocket. It was paid by the buyer & only the buyer. Wow. You know it's a lie and you keep saying it! Did you know that when people are uninformed & seeking the truth, and they find a liar like you, they will not listen to you ever again! Your reputation is shot dude! Give it up!
@infinitewobdrahpa That point of view is fine with me. Next visit to the tax man / woman, make sure you tell him or her not to pull out the deductions, like kids, interest payments on a home, donations to churches or non-profits, etc. You make sure you tell him / her that you don't like subsidies because all of those deductions are tax credits. Just be consistant. Also, if it really was a rebate, it would come to 4/1000 of a cent from every tax payer for my Volt.
@infinitewobdrahpa You don't pay taxes on them. Sheeeesh. Those are deductions (credits) that are there should you ever need them. Some day you may. Just remember to reject them.
When I said "The White House intends to boost government subsidies for buyers of the Chevy Volt and other new-technology vehicles -- from $7,500 to $10,000 per buyer" I think the statement is correct, but perhaps I should have said WEALTHY buyers, because low income buyers don't get that big of a tax break.
When the government pays GM the difference you get back in a tax cut, and all that gov money comes from other taxpayers, that's a subsidy by every definition of the word.
Somebody has forgotten that it takes 70 billion kwh's to get gas to the tank. 49 billion just at the refinary. Those are coal powered kwh's, dude! On top of that, you spew another 1,000 lbs of co2 out your dirty tail pipe. You need to check your ammo before you fire off that uninformed tongue of yours. Gas doesn't come from a huge lake somewhere. It takes electricity to drill, process, ship, pump. "Volts" used to make your car run!
The White House intends to boost government subsidies for buyers of the Chevy Volt and other new-technology vehicles -- to $10,000 per buyer.
That mammoth subsidy would cost taxpayers $100,000,000.00 each year if it is approved by Congress, presuming only 10,000 new-technology autos are sold each year.
But the administration wants to get 1,000,000 new-tech autos on the road by 2015. The subsidy cost of that goal could reach $10,000,000,000.00
If you all haven't figured it out already, the Volt is indeed cheaper to drive per mile (on short trips) than other cars. The reason for this is that electricity is cheap because we use 50% coal (20% nuclear and 20% natural gas). Obviously coal is highly polluting, but... IT'S CHEAP.
So, the reason you save money AFTER YOU LAY OUT A HUGE SUM FOR THE SMALL VOLT, is that you are using cheap, more polluting, energy.
And taxpayers are picking up most of the tab for this fiasco of an automobile!!
@mollesjohn I'd hardly call four thousand dollars more than a 2012 Toyota Prius a HUGE SUM. That's kind of stretching it. Mine was 36000 with all the bells and whistles, and 34k without. Not really the Mercedes Benz price tag that your bold lettering's seem to imply. Fyi, coal gets scaled back late at night when EV do majority of their charging. Because nuclear can't be scaled back, so no need for the coal to burn at 100%. Heck where I live Coal is only 7% of day time use, probably 0 at night.
I'm laughing at ra5928 because he pulls out a bunch of stats to try to actually convince people coal is cleaner and more efficiently transferred to an automobile, than oil.
Because he knows: 50% of US electricity comes from coal.
Note ra5928's little omissions, like: the KWHs it would take to mine coal, transport coal, etc.
ra5928 aka Q0B0 (same guy) is pathetically desperate to convince somebody, ANYBODY that the Volt is a sensible buy for ANYONE.
Let's face it... skewed stats like yours ra5928, won't convince anyone coal is cleaner energy than oil. You underestimate people and good old common sense.
No wonder the Volt isn't selling... LOL...
Maybe in his next post, ra5928 will explain that hidden under the Volt's hood, is a perpetual motion machine which boosts its mileage even more.
And in a post soon after that, a huge rubber band all wound up real tight for those steep hills... LMFAO....
@ra5928 very impressive, I googled that info, and also found your source. almost one tenth the Co2 immited than an average car and well under one tenth compared to a light duty truck. I'v always known it was much less (thank you bill nye science guy) but didn't know exactly how much until now.
@Deanzsyclone Thanks. I studied the Volt for 2 yrs before I bought mine. I was interested in owners using a Kill-A-Watt meter to monitor charging costs. I already own one. Googled: Chevy Volt + Kill-A-Watt and got a few. They all agreed on 13kwh's per charge. 10 actual at 1.3 kwh per hour, using 120 V. charger. I used that to factor in my utility costs. Conditions matter. Go to mpgomatic on YouTube. They give real world mpg for all cars. They got 40 EV & 43 mpg gas fofr the Volt.
Actually, if 100% of the energy came from coal, it would still be better than a normal car. That is true for all electric cars. Don't buy into the propaganda of gas companies. Besides, since when did they care about the environment? When it became convenient, so they could look good?
FACT: In the United States, some 50% of our electricity comes from coal.
FACT: GM hopes to sell this car in China, where 75% of their electricity comes from coal.
Okay... after you spend $40,000 for this compact, which is HEAVILY subsidized by taxpayers, you hurt the environment more than everyone else, but only when you use electric mode.
This is NOT true of a Prius as its batteries recharge off the motor.
@mollesjohn Because 49 billion KWH's are used per year to refine gas. Another 20 billion KWH's to drill, pump through pipelines, transport to gas stations, and pump at the station. That's a lot of co2 for gas. Most of those 70 billion KWH's are coal fired. I have driven 2700 miles + and have used only 7 gallons of gas. The prius also emits co2 when in gas mode. EV's cause 160 lbs co2 for charging per 1000 mi. Avg. ICE veh. emits 1000 lbs per 1000 mi.
The White House intends to boost government subsidies for wealthy buyers of the Chevy Volt and other new-technology vehicles — to $10,000 per buyer.
That mammoth subsidy would cost taxpayers $100 million each year if it is approved by Congress, presuming only 10,000 new-technology autos are sold each year.
But the administration wants to get 1 million new-tech autos on the road by 2015. The subsidy cost of that goal could reach $10 billion.
Look... I'll grant you are good at debate, but there are so many things you aren't honest about, and I want to help the consumer and you want to sell Volts.
First... the price of gas... of course economics 101 shows it will drop despite your wacko claims.
Second... in today's world, the Volt saves money AT THE EXPENSE OF THE ENVIRONMENT, not to mention taxpayers paid for it, not the consumer, UNLIKE the Prius.
Third, you're just a socialist/union scumbag and I don't like you.
@mollesjohn Actually it's very well documented that the prius did in fact have subsidies for sponsored by the Japanese government. Which toyota has just recently lost those subsidies. Odd our Faux news does not seem to ever mention that? oh well.
@Deanzsyclone In 1939, Japan kicked out GM & Ford because they were eating their auto industry alive. They poured tons of money into Toyota to keep it afloat. Do I have a problem with that? No, because they saved Japanese companies & jobs from going under. People who think they know where they are going, but don't know where they are coming from usually get lost.
@ra5928 I don't even have to ask most of the people reading our comments about Volt sales... they already know they're extremely bad because they've seen it on the news. But if anyone wants to research it if they don't know... please do. (ra5928 is logging out and back in as another nick to report that Volt sales are up and that I don't know what I am talking about)
What I mean is, if you are truly wondering, look it up. Volts aren't selling
Chevy used to make cars people wanted.... like the two-speed automatic Corvair.
Look, ra5928 is obviously getting paid to be here... trying desperately to sell a car that isn't selling. He doesn't care. He knows the stats on Volt sales better than we do: pathetic. So he's trying to change public opinion by PRETENDING that he's just John Q. Public who loves this car and can't display enough statistics to show the public is stupid for not buying them despite its pricetag
@mollesjohn Volt, in it's first 15 months has outsold the Prius in it's first 15 months. There were haters then also. I wouldn't be a car salesman. The pay is way too low. That's why I retired 14 years ago at age 50.
I sort of want people to understand I believe I've figured out ra5928. He probably worked for GM, was in the union that crushed GM into the ground The rest is history... the union bastards from GM begged the government to get taxpayers to pay their pensions, because as they forced GM into bankruptcy, that meant all the union employee pensions went down with the company.
ra5928 realizes he's a leach unless he can make good after the fact by selling Volts and thereby keep GM afloat.
If you want to see the value of unions, take a good look at the city the unions built: Detroit.
And nothing has significantly changed...
I wouldn't have a single thing against ra5928, unless he was proactive in his union. I honestly don't know if he was. He seems repentant in the way he is behaving now, trying to sell Volts, but who knows how responsible he was personally in bringing GM into insolvency. And of course, he's grateful others bailed him out, even against their will.
And I do know the difference between energy for moving vehicles and energy for homes. My entire electric bill for January was $68. All appliances & my Volt ($20 charging). Drove 700+ miles. My old 25 mpg/city car would have cost $106 in fuel. Refineries use 50 billion kwh's to refine gas. Throw in another 16 bil. for drilling, piping, transporting, pumping and you have a whole lot of VOLTS going into your tank. Hey, mollesjohn, take a chill pill, relax. Enjoy life! It' short! I'm good.
Chevy Cruze gets an estimated 42 miles per gallon highway and has more cargo and interior space than focus or corolla. check out the cruze on youtube keyword mckaig cruze troy...
I can't help it, I can't get over your explaining that the Volt has a COMFORT mode. Sounds like the default is nasty.
When you get in and start up the car on a cold day, do the words DISCOMFORT MODE appear on that screen to the driver's right? LMFAO... but no problem for the EXPERIENCED Volt owner, such as yourself... simply search the dozens of buttons on the dash for the one labeled "COMFORT MODE" and voila?
And lastly... I think whatever attraction an electric car has for saving money, might turn a sharp corner when Obama is removed from office and the next President approves the Keystone pipeline, allows our oil companies to do offshore drilling again (with inspections for safety), and lifts the drilling bans in parts of Alaska, not to mention allowing refineries to be built.
Speculators will then bring the price of gas down drastically almost overnight.
You do realize the reason for the keystone pipeline is not to provide cheap gas to the US right? The primary reason is to get the Canadian OIL down to Texas refineries and then export the GAS to China and Europe. Its not a simple as you think. Not building the pipeline will actially give the midwest more OIL from Canada and keeping GAS prices lower. We live in a global world the GAS goes to the highest bidder and thats China. Check the latest export numbers on GAS.
I don't get ya... I talked about drilling offshore. I talked about drilling in Alaska. I talked about building a lot of refineries. Explain how these things are not going to reduce the price of gas?
I know you are so desperate to sell the Volt, you tell me the Consumer Reports guy is just starting rumors... and the guy at Chevrolet he talked to that agreed with him and said Chevrolet was working on a fix was... what... lying?
@mollesjohn You forget, as oil prices fall, utility rates fall. The cost per mile for an EV will remain the same. In the 1960's gas was $0.29 a gallon! Utility rates were less than 2 cents per kilowatt hour. The national average is now over 13 cents. The proportion is about the same. Gas is set to go up to $4.25 + this summer. The utility rates will follow suit, but there is a buffer zone we will enjoy because utility companies need permission to raise their rates. Gas companies don't!
Oh my... you need to be locked in a room and forced to understand free market economics. There is so much you are ignoring here... OPEC, inflation, maximizing profits, energy for moving vehicles vs. energy for static things like homes... I just don't often come across so much ignorance all at once.
Seriously. You have a TON of misconceptions to undo, and yes, you are in trouble... you have so much wrong you likely may never recover in this lifetime. I honestly feel sorry 4 u
@mollesjohn Don't feel for me … debt free since '93 … read books on America's bubbles, sold my stock, save me troubles … all bills payed for 30 years, hope you are too and with that …. cheers!
Understand... I LOVE electricity. I really do. But let's face it, the price of gas has obviously been pushed up by a President that gives MONEY to Brazil for THEIR offshore oil rigs, but PREVENTS the USA by regulation from doing the same, only our oil companies don't need the MONEY Obama is giving Brazil to do it. Obama is just simply stopping offshore drilling... because... he can.
And where does electricity come from? Nuclear and coal is cheap, but wind and solar are EXPENSIVE.
@mollesjohn Again you are sadly missinformed, Gas is actually cheap right now due to economical stress. The reason gas is expensive is not production its demand. If prices go down much further demand will go up and keep the price high. I wish our president could make a diffrence but even if we drilled for all the OIL thats available it wont make a dent in the global demand / supply, we need new huge discoveries.
Last strategically would it not be better to save our OIL for later?
As long as we have a President that artificially pushes the price of gasoline up by putting stiff regulations that didn't exist before on oil production... and...
As long as we have a President that artificially pushes down the price of a car like the Volt to less than a quarter of what it should cost, people should run to buy these things.
And yet, after all Obama's manipulation, the Volt isn't selling?
Maybe it's not yet time for an electric car? Or... you could blame the stupid consumer.
@mopar4t4 It is an extended range electric car! The gas engine is not connected to the wheels, unlike the Prius. Also the Prius is not even a plug in (coming out sometime soon). Please educate yourself before posting silly and misinforming comments.
You're correct. When you want to get away from computer/catalytic converter clean gas and go coal and nuclear, you want the Chevy Volt. It may end up producing a lot more pollution overall, but the whole point is that it is cheaper to drive, and saving money is a lot more important than the environment...
(I'm half kidding) I actually like nuclear generated electricity and it IS clean. With wind, too costly and more dangerous. Solar: chemicals needed for panels.
@mollesjohn You are right about wind a solar, still a long way to go! But even if you power your Volt with coal burning power plants (like for me in Michigan ~70% coal). I did a well to wheel analysis and for my commute(30mi) I would save 2476.3 pounds of CO2 from going into the air every year, saving over $400 in gas money.
It's not a silver bullet, but imagine if the market penetration was enough to get 20% of the population on this car), the effect would be huge on CO2 output!
Well, I just saw a Consumer Report video on the Volt... and you don't want it in Michigan... in winter.... the guy said the heater struggles to keep up and personally, I like warmth.
To be fair, the Consumer Reports guy said Chevy told him they are working to solve the problem, so maybe by now, they have. They can afford these issues, they are using your money, not theirs.
@mollesjohn It's funny you bring that up, I work at GM on the thermal management of the battery, and the heater does the job just fine in the winter. There are eco modes were it heats less and slower but if it's too cold outside the engine will kick in in order to condition the cabin and battery.
Have you driven the car? You should test drive it!. An amazing car!
So you are saying Consumer Reports got it wrong?, and the guy at Chevrolet that told the Consumer Reports guy that they were working on it also didn't know what he was talking about?
I think I trust the Consumer Reports guy. Also, another issue -- the heater shortens range using battery. You don't mention that.. perhaps because you WORK for GM?
@mollesjohn Everyone has their perception of how fast is fast enought to heat the cabin, but all GM cars meet all federal regulation on those aspects. The heater shortens the range? YOU DONT SAY? Anything that consumes energy does! We have actively cooled/heated battery in order to make it last 10 years, unlike the Leaf that has nothing.
If you look at the same consumer report, you'll see the Volt is the number 1 in customer satisfaction! 93% absolutely love the car, now thats a fact!
Ok, to counter this, I own a volt and live in Chicago we had some really cold days, if you run it in ECO mode sure it takes a while to heat up but GM added a comfort mode to speed up the heating, if you crank up that heat it heats fine. And when it really cold like below 25 the gas engine comes on and it heats like a regular car. FACT from owners that actually use the car beats one time reviews or rumors. Test one yourself and see. Go and test drive one on a cold day.
THE VOLT IS NOT AN ELECTRIC CAR IT'S A FRIGGEN HYBRID!!! If it has both electric motors AND a 4cyl gas engine, its a hybrid. IT'S AN OVER HYPED PRIUS FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!
The apocalypse ad for the Chevy truck was kewl looking, even if they name dropped their competition's more popular truck, which I feel is always a marketing mistake, unless you are selling cola.
Of course, making marketing mistakes isn't a problem for GM -- it's simply impossible for them to receive any negative consequences for mess-ups because the owners simply take more taxpayer money if that happens.
Secondly, I read somewhere it costs anywhere up to $250,000 per volt, as only somewhere around 4,000 volts have been sold compared to how much TAX PAYERS TAX DOLLARS have been funneled into this program.
Thirdly, I've been told by people who have purchased volts that it gets less then 12 miles on a full electric charge without gas usage. Yeah, clearly the volts is still BETA.
Ok seriously,I make a comment and I sort of get bad remarks.Ok we have good technology like smartphones,some cars and don't forget planes.But we are not the most technological beings in all the galaxy.And you would think we are the only living organisms throughout space.WRONG.So please cool down your temperature.
@VTREX2010 Incorrect. Whose to say that we are not more advanced than they are, or that we are both on the same plane. The idea of all Alien life being smarter than humanity is just a trope of science fiction and has no basis in reality.
CrashB111 isn't kidding... when he and I travel, we take different planes, and he's always talking about his trips to Xerox7 and JayLo9 and tells me that although they're pretty good at math and science, they score low on English comprehension and European history... not a sign of an advanced civilization by any means.
Oh.. those flashing lights on their flying saucers are turn signals that indicate what planes their spacecraft are heading into. Primitive really....
This is the most stupidest commercial ever.. GM stop wasting the money we gave you and make your products better and not over seas. You say your a true American car maker then be one keep the jobs and money here..
Ron Paul will legalize Marijuana...Which means inventions will be through the F%*@ing roof, and will s&*@ on Hybrid cars! If Ron Paul becomes president, we will be flying like the jetsons by his inauguration.
@XX15214 I couldn't quite understand your question but I think I know what your asking. It cost something like $1.50 to fully charge the volt and it can be started without being charged.
This Car and cars like it will make us completly energy indepenant with our own oil, but it has two incredible powerful enemies. OIL and GAS companies and the industrial military complex that would hate to loose the biggest reason we spend so much on securing the world (OIL and OIL and more OIL)
Awesome! also love the apocalypse 2012 commercial... Both brilliant for marketing... Everyone else is going to use 2012 commercials but now people will associate it with chevy and will trigger that thought each time anything related airs. A+ ADVERTISING
The pruis is created from rare metals from all around the earth, which help fund violence in Africa (look it up) very simular to our computers and actually hurts the earth more then it helps. It's just there to make rich yuppies feel good about themselves while they do nothing to help.
My friend's step-aunt makes $80 an hour on the computer. She has been laid off for 7 months but last month her check was $8242 just working on the computer for a few hours. Here's the site to read more... lazycash11.çom "
stupid commercials for the pea brained? and they also have Madonna? like anyone wants to see her anymore and niki minaj? wtf! it's like telling viewers "you are uneducated morons who watch anything we show you"
@Tcatracing Depends on how much you drive and how long you plan to own it. Also apples to oranges considering the differences in warranty and technology. NEXT!
I wish I had a Chevrolet Volt. It is an awesome car equipped with reasonable technology. For a person living in an area with little or no infrastructure for plug-in cars like the Volt, I love the fact that the Volt doesn't need a power outlet to keep moving along. I don't like filling up at the gas station, and I love driving technologically advanced cars.
@mollesjohn You really don't have a good point in criticizing Mr Japilz . Maybe he didn't use the best vocabulary, but who cares, he's not making fun of or criticizing anyone.
So you feel the guy was being honest about his owning his own Volt? I think I made a pretty clear case that he was reading off a brochure or some marketing advertising. Do you often miss the points others make so badly? I was criticizing HIM for being dishonest, not for criticizing or making fun of others.
I don't know what else to say except maybe, in your case, read things several times over and try to understand what's being said before chiming in.
You must be lonely! Do you have grandkids? They are awesome! You should try it.
ra5928 4 hours ago
You don't go to the company site to get their stats... you go to Consumer Reports. The EPA.GOV are the people trying to SELL YOU A VOLT. Think hard sell car salesman....
I went to Consumer Reports, and you all might check it out yourselves.... this guy ra5928 is just a sleazy car salesman... The Volt is an overpriced, coal-polluting, taxpayer subsidized, heavier-than-usual car that the government can't seem to sell. I wonder why...
Try the FREE MARKET, GM.. you know, make something ppl want
mollesjohn 1 day ago
For honest co2 emissions for Volt, search co2 + Volt. Click on physics.uci.edu. Different utility companies have different listings because of the types of fuel used. Coal emits the worst. ½ lb per mile. The national avg. is .34 lbs co2 / mile. An avg. ICE car is 1 lb. / mile. So the Volt emits about 65% less co2 on avg. I live in the area that emits fewest co2 (CA. Standards) .15 lb. co2 per mi. That's 150 lbs. per 10k mi. vs. 1000 lbs per 10k mi. ICE veh
ra5928 1 day ago
For honest co2 emissions for ICE vehicles, go to
epa.gov/otaq/consumer/f00013.htm
ra5928 1 day ago
I hear a broken record! Do you hear a broken record? Went back 5 pages, the broken record repeated this 5 times! Got it's ass stomped then. No need to answer a broken record.
ra5928 2 days ago
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Anyone old enough to remember Dinah Shore singing "See the U.S.A. in your Chevrolet"? Well, if you're not old enough to remember that, you can look that up on youtube; I'm sure it's there somewhere.
Anyway, the Volt has an electric motor AND a gasoline motor AND a heavy battery array therefore weighs more than your average compact. So on long trips, almost everything gets better mileage than a Volt.
Today GM should hire say Lindsay Lohan to sing: "Go see East L.A., in your Chevrolet"
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mollesjohn 3 days ago
If you want to seem some funny Volt videos on YouTube, search Chevy Volt + gun racks.
ra5928 3 days ago
Gas is now $4+. I pay 2.8 cents per mile. Calculate that one!
ra5928 3 days ago
@ra5928 Sure... coal is cheaper than gas and when you plug in to the electric grid, and anyone can look this up, 50% of electricity comes from coal.
So enjoy paying 40 grand for a car that pollutes more than gasoline cars do, and, you can know that most of the cost of your car was paid for by other taxpayers. Must make you swell with pride!
mollesjohn 3 days ago 14
Can somebody answer exactly how a car commercial turned into a debate over rights of free speech and fascism over capitalism?
FluffableGerbie 4 days ago
@FluffableGerbie Sure. There's a guy in here trying to sell Volts. Oh!!! I'm sorry, am I offending your sensibilities?, after all this is only a commercial done by a government bailed out company that paid no taxes in 2010 and as of TODAY:
"Any employees who opt out of the Volt program will not be compensated for their expenses. Those who do choose to drive the Volt will be reimbursed for public charging and home charging costs, in addition to gas uses." -- Source: Gas 2.0
mollesjohn 4 days ago
BTW, I served 3 years in hell holes and I know what it's like to be lucky to be alive. I have every right to speak my mind. People like you profess you believe in freedom, but you hate people who use their freedom. That's called hypocracy. For instance, Obama has killed more Al Quida than Bush did. They want him gone. They hope people like you get him out. That's called aiding and abetting. I didn't vote for him, but there is a shooting war going on idiot. Stand by your flag!
ra5928 5 days ago
@ra5928
I agree you have the right of free speech and therefore the right to praise fascism over capitalism. Personally I think Hitler and Mussolini had it wrong, but you have every right to your opinion and every right to speak out about your beliefs.
You bring up a new unrelated topic about how you like how Obama kills more Al Qaeda than Bush did, and that's fine. Free speech allows you to let EVERYONE know how unfocused and scatterbrained you are.
I'm not against free speech.
mollesjohn 4 days ago
Oh my... such ignorance. @deanzsyclone, seems you don't know technology moves on and it is we that have to adapt, not a company to its employees. It's your entitlement attitude that keeps you dependent and a beggar.
@ra5928 Thanks for letting me know you believe in fascism over capitalism. I already got that idea from your previous comments, and I honestly appreciate your forthrightness in admitting it. I know capitalism is THE way to create prosperity -- my own extended family proved that.
mollesjohn 5 days ago
Free market principles? Did you know that in 1939, Japan kicked out U.S. automakers because their industry was going under? Did you also know that when Honda was king, Japan literally carried Toyota for years! They also subsidize their companies in this country. I am no knocking that. At least the Japanese have the balls to tell everyone that their workers & industries come first. All we have are a bunch of haters of American workers & products.
ra5928 5 days ago
It's good to see an american car finally changed something other than exterior since 70's... just keep in mind that while you've finally managed to produce hybrid, Toyota is already working on something far advanced.
ak99372 6 days ago
@ak99372 FYI. The Volt is not a hybrid. In fact, it was the first car of it's type in the world. Jaguar, Mercedez, BMW & others will follow suit. The Society of Automotive Engineers named it best engineered car. Motorweek named it Drivers Choice, Best Of Year. Popular Science awarded the Best Of What's New. It received the 2011 Edison Award and a host of other awards. At $4 for gas, you can get up to 150 mpg in EV mode depending on charging costs. You can't do that in a hybrid.
ra5928 6 days ago
Am I the only one here who admires this commercial for its humor and doesn't give a rat's behind about the accuracy of the utility of the "hybrid" concept?
MrStimpy77 1 week ago
@MrStimpy77 I have to agree with ra5928 on the hybrid thing - see, a hybrid gets it's battery energy from the engine, but the Volt plugs into the grid - that's why the Volt is cheaper to drive short distances, as it uses Coal (the electric grid is powered by 50% coal, look it up) which is cheap.
So if you want a car that initially costs you more, costs the taxpayers a LOT more, pollutes the atmosphere more, BUT COSTS LESS TO DRIVE SHORT DISTANCES, then the Volt is the car for you!
mollesjohn 1 week ago
@mollesjohn This commercial is meant to be laughed at, not studied like the alien characters are doing. Watch the aliens, did you see them say "hi hi hi hi" to the man's wife? That's your cue. Shut up and laugh.
MrStimpy77 1 week ago
@mollesjohn I like the way you especially left out the fact that when EV's charge in the evening (like the majority) coal is throttled back in favor of nuclear energy. You know since demand is less and nuc can't be throttled back, so coal is. Or how even one tenth the pollution is used to produce electricity to power the car to go the same distance that the gas would of produced, even if it was all coal that did it! You should work for bill o'reilly writing team, you'd fit in well.
Deanzsyclone 6 days ago
Man, dude! You just keep repeating the same things over and over and over. You are just hoping that new people to this thread don't go back a couple pages and see how you get your ass stomped!
ra5928 1 week ago
@ra5928 LOL yeah I guess if he keeps repeating a lie it becomes true? ROFL
Deanzsyclone 6 days ago
I like the feeling of running around silently and non-polluting, but a few facts get in the way...
1. 50% of our electricity comes from coal. So if you are recharging from the grid, you're polluting more than gasoline cars that have computers and catalytic converters.
2. Unlike most cars, the vast majority of R&D and manufacturing costs was not paid by GM, but by the taxpayer, so if you buy a Volt, taxpayers are paying for most of it.
3. The tax credit means the taxpayer even pays $10K MORE!
mollesjohn 1 week ago
@mollesjohn ewww I like this one too.. Love how you left out that it's really a tax credit, which means if you bought something that gave you a tax credit like a tankless hot water heater, or volt... you as the tax payer that bought it simply dont have to pay as much taxes as you would have had to that year, and I as a tax payer would of NOT been charged one cent for your purchase. Good job on spreading those lies, but I hate to tell you we can see through your bullshit.
Deanzsyclone 6 days ago
@Deanzsyclone and yes again we spot your lie on option #1, charges majority of the time take place at night, when coal is throttled back, and of course it coal produces 10 times less pollution to create the electricity that it takes to drive the same distance with a gas vehicle.
Deanzsyclone 6 days ago
@mollesjohn and of course good old #2, tax payers only end up paying for it if GM collapses and does not repay. But of course we all know that's not what's happening, but you people continue to spew the half truth but seem to preach the no spin zone, but in fact does EXACTLY that. Oh and don't forget, that GM is 1. almost half way done paying back the money the were loaned that you cry about paying for 2. Is now number one in sales on PLANET EARTH!
Deanzsyclone 6 days ago
@Deanzsyclone GM already collapsed or don't you know how to read... and my family growing up liked GM, but my family also believed in free market principles, and when my family's business was in trouble, they didn't declare bankruptcy... they sold the company and paid the stockholders. You wouldn't know a thing about ethics like that. What you know about is how to beg, then once you get what you begged for, you think you deserve honor. You aren't even grateful to we the people.
mollesjohn 5 days ago
@mollesjohn AWESOME, you and your family are quitters, and you think that's ethics, now you make sense to me. Thank God GM didn't pull that shit on their employees, hard at work today because GM didn't ditch it all and say fuck it, and give some petty amount left over to the stock holders. You are an embarrassment to the US, congrats. FYI stock holder's know it's a risk, I know because of my million shares I own, it CAN be lost, the company comes first not the holder, smart holders know this
Deanzsyclone 5 days ago
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@mollesjohn And so you don't forget the facts about your lies here is your reminder.
Per PG&E: .524 lbs. of co2 are emitted per kwh. at the power plant.
13 kwh's to charge a Volt = 6.182 lbs. / co2 per charge
40 miles range per charge
1000 \ 40 = 25 charges per 1,000 miles driven
25 X 6.182 = 154.55 lbs co2 emissions per 1000 miles driven
Average ICE vehicle emits 1,000 lbs co2 per 1,000 miles driven
Average light truck is 1,600 lbs co2 per 1,400 miles driven
Deanzsyclone 6 days ago
Advanced technology, really advanced...also being used in diesel locomotives for almost 100 years. Congratulation Chevrolet. :)
teac4444 1 week ago
@teac4444 No idea that diesel locomotives could plug in at night, thanks.
Deanzsyclone 1 week ago
@Deanzsyclone I meant the idea of fossil fuel engine running just a generator of power and than electric motor driving the wheels. But something tells me, that idea of plugging stuff in an electric plug to charge bateries is not all that new either.
teac4444 1 week ago
@teac4444 I guess with that sort of logic being used in trying to make a point you could then also say that telivisions using led's inside of them since the 80's is nothing new. Even though the difference of using an led to notify you the power is on, versus todays use is to give a fantastic picture is actually night and day diifference in reality. Kind of a deceptive, or cheap way to be right.
Deanzsyclone 1 week ago
@Deanzsyclone I guess that you are that sort of ppl,that always have to be right and even thou they are proved wrong,they take things into extreme. BTW my first comment was kind of a joke. I like Volt
teac4444 1 week ago
Hot Hot Hot Hot lol
So1othurn 1 week ago
What the fuck was that Chevy?
JKING313BOY 1 week ago
@JKING313BOY It was a Volt.
moron6123 1 week ago
And once again, the tax credit is not a subsidy. How many times do you have to be hit over the head with that one? It is a tax return, applied for at tax time using IRS form 8834. Not one red cent comes from your pocket. It was paid by the buyer & only the buyer. Wow. You know it's a lie and you keep saying it! Did you know that when people are uninformed & seeking the truth, and they find a liar like you, they will not listen to you ever again! Your reputation is shot dude! Give it up!
ra5928 1 week ago
@ra5928 Tax credit is a subsidy in this case because they would otherwise be paying those taxes.
infinitewobdrahpa 1 week ago 15
@infinitewobdrahpa That point of view is fine with me. Next visit to the tax man / woman, make sure you tell him or her not to pull out the deductions, like kids, interest payments on a home, donations to churches or non-profits, etc. You make sure you tell him / her that you don't like subsidies because all of those deductions are tax credits. Just be consistant. Also, if it really was a rebate, it would come to 4/1000 of a cent from every tax payer for my Volt.
ra5928 1 week ago
@ra5928 Telling me more things I pay taxes on but don't use doesn't help your argument.
infinitewobdrahpa 1 week ago
@infinitewobdrahpa You don't pay taxes on them. Sheeeesh. Those are deductions (credits) that are there should you ever need them. Some day you may. Just remember to reject them.
ra5928 1 week ago
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@ra5928
When I said "The White House intends to boost government subsidies for buyers of the Chevy Volt and other new-technology vehicles -- from $7,500 to $10,000 per buyer" I think the statement is correct, but perhaps I should have said WEALTHY buyers, because low income buyers don't get that big of a tax break.
When the government pays GM the difference you get back in a tax cut, and all that gov money comes from other taxpayers, that's a subsidy by every definition of the word.
mollesjohn 1 week ago
Somebody has forgotten that it takes 70 billion kwh's to get gas to the tank. 49 billion just at the refinary. Those are coal powered kwh's, dude! On top of that, you spew another 1,000 lbs of co2 out your dirty tail pipe. You need to check your ammo before you fire off that uninformed tongue of yours. Gas doesn't come from a huge lake somewhere. It takes electricity to drill, process, ship, pump. "Volts" used to make your car run!
ra5928 1 week ago
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RECENT NEWS FROM THE WHITE HOUSE ON THE VOLT:
The White House intends to boost government subsidies for buyers of the Chevy Volt and other new-technology vehicles -- to $10,000 per buyer.
That mammoth subsidy would cost taxpayers $100,000,000.00 each year if it is approved by Congress, presuming only 10,000 new-technology autos are sold each year.
But the administration wants to get 1,000,000 new-tech autos on the road by 2015. The subsidy cost of that goal could reach $10,000,000,000.00
mollesjohn 1 week ago
Nobody is saying coal is cleaner than oil...stop putting words in people mouths, maybe then you will be taken seriously?
Q0B0 1 week ago
If you all haven't figured it out already, the Volt is indeed cheaper to drive per mile (on short trips) than other cars. The reason for this is that electricity is cheap because we use 50% coal (20% nuclear and 20% natural gas). Obviously coal is highly polluting, but... IT'S CHEAP.
So, the reason you save money AFTER YOU LAY OUT A HUGE SUM FOR THE SMALL VOLT, is that you are using cheap, more polluting, energy.
And taxpayers are picking up most of the tab for this fiasco of an automobile!!
mollesjohn 1 week ago
@mollesjohn I'd hardly call four thousand dollars more than a 2012 Toyota Prius a HUGE SUM. That's kind of stretching it. Mine was 36000 with all the bells and whistles, and 34k without. Not really the Mercedes Benz price tag that your bold lettering's seem to imply. Fyi, coal gets scaled back late at night when EV do majority of their charging. Because nuclear can't be scaled back, so no need for the coal to burn at 100%. Heck where I live Coal is only 7% of day time use, probably 0 at night.
Deanzsyclone 1 week ago
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I'm laughing at ra5928 because he pulls out a bunch of stats to try to actually convince people coal is cleaner and more efficiently transferred to an automobile, than oil.
Because he knows: 50% of US electricity comes from coal.
Note ra5928's little omissions, like: the KWHs it would take to mine coal, transport coal, etc.
ra5928 aka Q0B0 (same guy) is pathetically desperate to convince somebody, ANYBODY that the Volt is a sensible buy for ANYONE.
It's not even better for the environment!
mollesjohn 1 week ago
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mollesjohn 1 week ago
Let's face it... skewed stats like yours ra5928, won't convince anyone coal is cleaner energy than oil. You underestimate people and good old common sense.
No wonder the Volt isn't selling... LOL...
Maybe in his next post, ra5928 will explain that hidden under the Volt's hood, is a perpetual motion machine which boosts its mileage even more.
And in a post soon after that, a huge rubber band all wound up real tight for those steep hills... LMFAO....
mollesjohn 1 week ago
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mollesjohn 1 week ago
Per PG&E: .524 lbs. of co2 are emitted per kwh. at the power plant.
13 kwh's to charge a Volt = 6.182 lbs. / co2 per charge
40 miles range per charge
1000 \ 40 = 25 charges per 1,000 miles driven
25 X 6.182 = 154.55 lbs co2 emissions per 1000 miles driven
Average ICE vehicle emits 1,000 lbs co2 per 1,000 miles driven
Average light truck is 1,600 lbs co2 per 1,400 miles driven
ra5928 1 week ago 2
@ra5928 very impressive, I googled that info, and also found your source. almost one tenth the Co2 immited than an average car and well under one tenth compared to a light duty truck. I'v always known it was much less (thank you bill nye science guy) but didn't know exactly how much until now.
Deanzsyclone 1 week ago
@Deanzsyclone Thanks. I studied the Volt for 2 yrs before I bought mine. I was interested in owners using a Kill-A-Watt meter to monitor charging costs. I already own one. Googled: Chevy Volt + Kill-A-Watt and got a few. They all agreed on 13kwh's per charge. 10 actual at 1.3 kwh per hour, using 120 V. charger. I used that to factor in my utility costs. Conditions matter. Go to mpgomatic on YouTube. They give real world mpg for all cars. They got 40 EV & 43 mpg gas fofr the Volt.
ra5928 1 week ago
@ra5928 BTW. That 40 EV is 40 miles range per charge. You know how a certain somebody likes to grab anything and turn it into a lie.
ra5928 1 week ago
@mollesjohn
Actually, if 100% of the energy came from coal, it would still be better than a normal car. That is true for all electric cars. Don't buy into the propaganda of gas companies. Besides, since when did they care about the environment? When it became convenient, so they could look good?
Q0B0 1 week ago
@Q0B0 You typed:
"Actually, if 100% of the energy came from coal, it would still be better than a normal car. That is true for all electric cars."
Are you on drugs?
mollesjohn 1 week ago
@mollesjohn actually that's correct. Luckily though we charge at night when nuclear exceeds and coal is throttled back.
Deanzsyclone 1 week ago
DO ELECTRIC CARS HELP OR HURT OUR ENVIRONMENT?
FACT: In the United States, some 50% of our electricity comes from coal.
FACT: GM hopes to sell this car in China, where 75% of their electricity comes from coal.
Okay... after you spend $40,000 for this compact, which is HEAVILY subsidized by taxpayers, you hurt the environment more than everyone else, but only when you use electric mode.
This is NOT true of a Prius as its batteries recharge off the motor.
So why would somebody want a Volt?
mollesjohn 1 week ago
@mollesjohn Because 49 billion KWH's are used per year to refine gas. Another 20 billion KWH's to drill, pump through pipelines, transport to gas stations, and pump at the station. That's a lot of co2 for gas. Most of those 70 billion KWH's are coal fired. I have driven 2700 miles + and have used only 7 gallons of gas. The prius also emits co2 when in gas mode. EV's cause 160 lbs co2 for charging per 1000 mi. Avg. ICE veh. emits 1000 lbs per 1000 mi.
ra5928 1 week ago
LATEST NEWS ON THIS WONDERFUL CAR NOBODY WANTS
The White House intends to boost government subsidies for wealthy buyers of the Chevy Volt and other new-technology vehicles — to $10,000 per buyer.
That mammoth subsidy would cost taxpayers $100 million each year if it is approved by Congress, presuming only 10,000 new-technology autos are sold each year.
But the administration wants to get 1 million new-tech autos on the road by 2015. The subsidy cost of that goal could reach $10 billion.
mollesjohn 1 week ago
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@ra5928
Look... I'll grant you are good at debate, but there are so many things you aren't honest about, and I want to help the consumer and you want to sell Volts.
First... the price of gas... of course economics 101 shows it will drop despite your wacko claims.
Second... in today's world, the Volt saves money AT THE EXPENSE OF THE ENVIRONMENT, not to mention taxpayers paid for it, not the consumer, UNLIKE the Prius.
Third, you're just a socialist/union scumbag and I don't like you.
mollesjohn 2 weeks ago
@mollesjohn Actually it's very well documented that the prius did in fact have subsidies for sponsored by the Japanese government. Which toyota has just recently lost those subsidies. Odd our Faux news does not seem to ever mention that? oh well.
Deanzsyclone 1 week ago
@Deanzsyclone In 1939, Japan kicked out GM & Ford because they were eating their auto industry alive. They poured tons of money into Toyota to keep it afloat. Do I have a problem with that? No, because they saved Japanese companies & jobs from going under. People who think they know where they are going, but don't know where they are coming from usually get lost.
ra5928 1 week ago
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mollesjohn 2 weeks ago
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@ra5928 I don't even have to ask most of the people reading our comments about Volt sales... they already know they're extremely bad because they've seen it on the news. But if anyone wants to research it if they don't know... please do. (ra5928 is logging out and back in as another nick to report that Volt sales are up and that I don't know what I am talking about)
What I mean is, if you are truly wondering, look it up. Volts aren't selling
And there's a REASON they aren't selling...
mollesjohn 2 weeks ago
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mollesjohn 2 weeks ago
Chevy. A car only American would buy.
lajko666 2 weeks ago
@lajko666
Chevy used to make cars people wanted.... like the two-speed automatic Corvair.
Look, ra5928 is obviously getting paid to be here... trying desperately to sell a car that isn't selling. He doesn't care. He knows the stats on Volt sales better than we do: pathetic. So he's trying to change public opinion by PRETENDING that he's just John Q. Public who loves this car and can't display enough statistics to show the public is stupid for not buying them despite its pricetag
mollesjohn 2 weeks ago
@mollesjohn Volt, in it's first 15 months has outsold the Prius in it's first 15 months. There were haters then also. I wouldn't be a car salesman. The pay is way too low. That's why I retired 14 years ago at age 50.
ra5928 2 weeks ago
@ra5928 You're quite the liar.
mollesjohn 2 weeks ago
@ra5928 They are paid on commission
BBMoney007 2 weeks ago
I sort of want people to understand I believe I've figured out ra5928. He probably worked for GM, was in the union that crushed GM into the ground The rest is history... the union bastards from GM begged the government to get taxpayers to pay their pensions, because as they forced GM into bankruptcy, that meant all the union employee pensions went down with the company.
ra5928 realizes he's a leach unless he can make good after the fact by selling Volts and thereby keep GM afloat.
mollesjohn 2 weeks ago
If you want to see the value of unions, take a good look at the city the unions built: Detroit.
And nothing has significantly changed...
I wouldn't have a single thing against ra5928, unless he was proactive in his union. I honestly don't know if he was. He seems repentant in the way he is behaving now, trying to sell Volts, but who knows how responsible he was personally in bringing GM into insolvency. And of course, he's grateful others bailed him out, even against their will.
mollesjohn 2 weeks ago
@lajko666 You obviously haven't been to China.
solidsaladin121 2 weeks ago
@lajko666
Top Ten Chevrolet sales markets 2011[12]
Rank in GM
1 United States 1,775,812
36.9%
2 Brazil
632,201
13.3%
3 China 595,068 12.5% 4 Russia 173,485 3.6% 5 Mexico 162,461 3.4% 6 Canada 150,540 3.2% 7 Argentina 133,491 2.8% 8 Uzbekistan 121,584 2.6% 9 India 111,056 2.3% 10 Colombia 105,783 2.2%
BBMoney007 2 weeks ago
@lajko666 uh, you do realize how powerful their sales over seas are don't you?
Deanzsyclone 1 week ago
And I do know the difference between energy for moving vehicles and energy for homes. My entire electric bill for January was $68. All appliances & my Volt ($20 charging). Drove 700+ miles. My old 25 mpg/city car would have cost $106 in fuel. Refineries use 50 billion kwh's to refine gas. Throw in another 16 bil. for drilling, piping, transporting, pumping and you have a whole lot of VOLTS going into your tank. Hey, mollesjohn, take a chill pill, relax. Enjoy life! It' short! I'm good.
ra5928 2 weeks ago
Co2 emissions:
Per PG&E: .524 lbs. of co2 are emitted per kwh.
13 kwh's to charge a Volt = 6.182 lbs. / co2 per charge
40 miles range per charge
1000 \ 40 = 25 charges per 1,000 miles driven
25 X 6.182 = 154.55 lbs co2 emissions per 1000 miles driven
add about 10 pounds the Volt may use in gas emmisions within that 1000 miles and you get 165 lbs of co2.
Average ICE vehicle emits 1,000 lbs co2 per 1,000 miles driven
Average light truck is 1,600 lbs co2 per 1,400 miles driven
ra5928 2 weeks ago
Those little guys are either genius Galactical mechanics with a curious eye for earthy machinery... OR... Interstealler Pedafiles/Rapeists.
SuperHero1234123 2 weeks ago
Chevy Cruze gets an estimated 42 miles per gallon highway and has more cargo and interior space than focus or corolla. check out the cruze on youtube keyword mckaig cruze troy...
1autowerksusa 2 weeks ago
Lol mate.
vongvang45 2 weeks ago
If an Alien got a VOLT he could only drive 25 miles on a full charge LMAO Obama Subsidized piece of junk
crimsonpride48 2 weeks ago
Aliens could make use out of our Gas and other Plentiful Resources
gork234 2 weeks ago
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Damn, this makes me want to go to HornyHabits com! Haha
JennyLawsx 2 weeks ago
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@Matt61589 (cont.)
I'm sorry.. I'll stop laughing.. hang on...
I can't help it, I can't get over your explaining that the Volt has a COMFORT mode. Sounds like the default is nasty.
When you get in and start up the car on a cold day, do the words DISCOMFORT MODE appear on that screen to the driver's right? LMFAO... but no problem for the EXPERIENCED Volt owner, such as yourself... simply search the dozens of buttons on the dash for the one labeled "COMFORT MODE" and voila?
SANDST0NE 2 weeks ago
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SANDST0NE 2 weeks ago
GOD!!!! I LOVE your COMMERCIALS!!!!!!!
WhiteTigerJustice 2 weeks ago
And lastly... I think whatever attraction an electric car has for saving money, might turn a sharp corner when Obama is removed from office and the next President approves the Keystone pipeline, allows our oil companies to do offshore drilling again (with inspections for safety), and lifts the drilling bans in parts of Alaska, not to mention allowing refineries to be built.
Speculators will then bring the price of gas down drastically almost overnight.
Let's remove Obama and cheapen energy.
mollesjohn 2 weeks ago
@mollesjohn
You do realize the reason for the keystone pipeline is not to provide cheap gas to the US right? The primary reason is to get the Canadian OIL down to Texas refineries and then export the GAS to China and Europe. Its not a simple as you think. Not building the pipeline will actially give the midwest more OIL from Canada and keeping GAS prices lower. We live in a global world the GAS goes to the highest bidder and thats China. Check the latest export numbers on GAS.
Matt61589 2 weeks ago
@Matt61589
I don't get ya... I talked about drilling offshore. I talked about drilling in Alaska. I talked about building a lot of refineries. Explain how these things are not going to reduce the price of gas?
I know you are so desperate to sell the Volt, you tell me the Consumer Reports guy is just starting rumors... and the guy at Chevrolet he talked to that agreed with him and said Chevrolet was working on a fix was... what... lying?
The Volt has a COMFORT mode? ROTFLMAO!!!
SANDST0NE 2 weeks ago
@mollesjohn You forget, as oil prices fall, utility rates fall. The cost per mile for an EV will remain the same. In the 1960's gas was $0.29 a gallon! Utility rates were less than 2 cents per kilowatt hour. The national average is now over 13 cents. The proportion is about the same. Gas is set to go up to $4.25 + this summer. The utility rates will follow suit, but there is a buffer zone we will enjoy because utility companies need permission to raise their rates. Gas companies don't!
ra5928 2 weeks ago
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Oh my... you need to be locked in a room and forced to understand free market economics. There is so much you are ignoring here... OPEC, inflation, maximizing profits, energy for moving vehicles vs. energy for static things like homes... I just don't often come across so much ignorance all at once.
Seriously. You have a TON of misconceptions to undo, and yes, you are in trouble... you have so much wrong you likely may never recover in this lifetime. I honestly feel sorry 4 u
mollesjohn 2 weeks ago
@mollesjohn Don't feel for me … debt free since '93 … read books on America's bubbles, sold my stock, save me troubles … all bills payed for 30 years, hope you are too and with that …. cheers!
ra5928 2 weeks ago
Understand... I LOVE electricity. I really do. But let's face it, the price of gas has obviously been pushed up by a President that gives MONEY to Brazil for THEIR offshore oil rigs, but PREVENTS the USA by regulation from doing the same, only our oil companies don't need the MONEY Obama is giving Brazil to do it. Obama is just simply stopping offshore drilling... because... he can.
And where does electricity come from? Nuclear and coal is cheap, but wind and solar are EXPENSIVE.
mollesjohn 2 weeks ago
@mollesjohn Again you are sadly missinformed, Gas is actually cheap right now due to economical stress. The reason gas is expensive is not production its demand. If prices go down much further demand will go up and keep the price high. I wish our president could make a diffrence but even if we drilled for all the OIL thats available it wont make a dent in the global demand / supply, we need new huge discoveries.
Last strategically would it not be better to save our OIL for later?
Matt61589 2 weeks ago
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SANDST0NE 2 weeks ago
As long as we have a President that artificially pushes the price of gasoline up by putting stiff regulations that didn't exist before on oil production... and...
As long as we have a President that artificially pushes down the price of a car like the Volt to less than a quarter of what it should cost, people should run to buy these things.
And yet, after all Obama's manipulation, the Volt isn't selling?
Maybe it's not yet time for an electric car? Or... you could blame the stupid consumer.
mollesjohn 2 weeks ago
@mopar4t4 It is an extended range electric car! The gas engine is not connected to the wheels, unlike the Prius. Also the Prius is not even a plug in (coming out sometime soon). Please educate yourself before posting silly and misinforming comments.
sossegado01 2 weeks ago
@sossegado01
You're correct. When you want to get away from computer/catalytic converter clean gas and go coal and nuclear, you want the Chevy Volt. It may end up producing a lot more pollution overall, but the whole point is that it is cheaper to drive, and saving money is a lot more important than the environment...
(I'm half kidding) I actually like nuclear generated electricity and it IS clean. With wind, too costly and more dangerous. Solar: chemicals needed for panels.
mollesjohn 2 weeks ago
@mollesjohn You are right about wind a solar, still a long way to go! But even if you power your Volt with coal burning power plants (like for me in Michigan ~70% coal). I did a well to wheel analysis and for my commute(30mi) I would save 2476.3 pounds of CO2 from going into the air every year, saving over $400 in gas money.
It's not a silver bullet, but imagine if the market penetration was enough to get 20% of the population on this car), the effect would be huge on CO2 output!
Its a start!
sossegado01 2 weeks ago
@sossegado01
Well, I just saw a Consumer Report video on the Volt... and you don't want it in Michigan... in winter.... the guy said the heater struggles to keep up and personally, I like warmth.
To be fair, the Consumer Reports guy said Chevy told him they are working to solve the problem, so maybe by now, they have. They can afford these issues, they are using your money, not theirs.
BRING YOUR DOWN JACKET.
mollesjohn 2 weeks ago
@mollesjohn It's funny you bring that up, I work at GM on the thermal management of the battery, and the heater does the job just fine in the winter. There are eco modes were it heats less and slower but if it's too cold outside the engine will kick in in order to condition the cabin and battery.
Have you driven the car? You should test drive it!. An amazing car!
sossegado01 2 weeks ago
@sossegado01
So you are saying Consumer Reports got it wrong?, and the guy at Chevrolet that told the Consumer Reports guy that they were working on it also didn't know what he was talking about?
/cro/video-hub/cars/hybrids--alternative-fuel/chevrolet-volt-review/14786539001/1113098456001/
I think I trust the Consumer Reports guy. Also, another issue -- the heater shortens range using battery. You don't mention that.. perhaps because you WORK for GM?
mollesjohn 2 weeks ago
@mollesjohn Everyone has their perception of how fast is fast enought to heat the cabin, but all GM cars meet all federal regulation on those aspects. The heater shortens the range? YOU DONT SAY? Anything that consumes energy does! We have actively cooled/heated battery in order to make it last 10 years, unlike the Leaf that has nothing.
If you look at the same consumer report, you'll see the Volt is the number 1 in customer satisfaction! 93% absolutely love the car, now thats a fact!
sossegado01 2 weeks ago
@sossegado01
the link I gave in my last comment needs to be preceded with:
consumerreports(dot)org
mollesjohn 2 weeks ago
@mollesjohn
Ok, to counter this, I own a volt and live in Chicago we had some really cold days, if you run it in ECO mode sure it takes a while to heat up but GM added a comfort mode to speed up the heating, if you crank up that heat it heats fine. And when it really cold like below 25 the gas engine comes on and it heats like a regular car. FACT from owners that actually use the car beats one time reviews or rumors. Test one yourself and see. Go and test drive one on a cold day.
Matt61589 2 weeks ago
Hey its Jim from that 70s show!
MickeyMouseHasWarts 2 weeks ago
Is that Nicholas Cage?
Sungetsu15 2 weeks ago
@Sungetsu15 no...just no
mopar4t4 2 weeks ago
THE VOLT IS NOT AN ELECTRIC CAR IT'S A FRIGGEN HYBRID!!! If it has both electric motors AND a 4cyl gas engine, its a hybrid. IT'S AN OVER HYPED PRIUS FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!
mopar4t4 2 weeks ago
@mopar4t4 But they didn't pitch it like that, SMART
RainbowManification 2 weeks ago
Chevy didn't run this ad apparently.
The apocalypse ad for the Chevy truck was kewl looking, even if they name dropped their competition's more popular truck, which I feel is always a marketing mistake, unless you are selling cola.
Of course, making marketing mistakes isn't a problem for GM -- it's simply impossible for them to receive any negative consequences for mess-ups because the owners simply take more taxpayer money if that happens.
mollesjohn 2 weeks ago
commercial ???
mrA991s 2 weeks ago
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Damn, this really makes me want to go to HornyHabits com! Haha
ashleyalgo 2 weeks ago
@sniffleSs420 Probably the real reason they came. Not the Chevy ;)
roninshinobi 2 weeks ago
This ad didn't air, for one.
Secondly, I read somewhere it costs anywhere up to $250,000 per volt, as only somewhere around 4,000 volts have been sold compared to how much TAX PAYERS TAX DOLLARS have been funneled into this program.
Thirdly, I've been told by people who have purchased volts that it gets less then 12 miles on a full electric charge without gas usage. Yeah, clearly the volts is still BETA.
NormPrince 2 weeks ago
@NormPrince no clearly you are a tool.
but you're right on one count, the ad didn't air and I'm wondering why.
is GM trying to play the green crowd. why the lie chevrolet?
DanFrederiksen 2 weeks ago
Ok seriously,I make a comment and I sort of get bad remarks.Ok we have good technology like smartphones,some cars and don't forget planes.But we are not the most technological beings in all the galaxy.And you would think we are the only living organisms throughout space.WRONG.So please cool down your temperature.
VTREX2010 2 weeks ago
chevy lied? was this ad actually aired at all?
I didn't see it. maybe it was limited to local ads in california?
did anyone see it?
DanFrederiksen 2 weeks ago
Nicolas Cage owns a Chevy volt?
BlkDarkness 2 weeks ago
not a good commercial
pumpkinman3211 3 weeks ago
Nope
62longtravel 3 weeks ago
QUESTION:
I'm in L.A. and I don't remember seeing this commercial during the game. Did anyone of you see it on TV?
mollesjohn 3 weeks ago
@mollesjohn No we didn't see it either on the east coast.
Marine5484 2 weeks ago
@mollesjohn Aliens aired during the pre-game. We actually had two versions that we had our Facebook community vote on.
Chevrolet 2 weeks ago
Where the hell does Ron Paul come into this???
gerbils4 3 weeks ago
She looked flattered! What a freak! LOL
ThinkStyle1 3 weeks ago
Ugly car
wiccanmoonman 3 weeks ago
First of all aliens will consider earth's technology primitive.
VTREX2010 3 weeks ago
@VTREX2010 Incorrect. Whose to say that we are not more advanced than they are, or that we are both on the same plane. The idea of all Alien life being smarter than humanity is just a trope of science fiction and has no basis in reality.
CrashB111 3 weeks ago
@VTREX2010
CrashB111 isn't kidding... when he and I travel, we take different planes, and he's always talking about his trips to Xerox7 and JayLo9 and tells me that although they're pretty good at math and science, they score low on English comprehension and European history... not a sign of an advanced civilization by any means.
Oh.. those flashing lights on their flying saucers are turn signals that indicate what planes their spacecraft are heading into. Primitive really....
mollesjohn 3 weeks ago
@VTREX2010
i agree. anything short of the flux capacitor, we are nothing more than quasi simian beings using simple twigs to get at the termites.
yarbles67 2 weeks ago
This is the most stupidest commercial ever.. GM stop wasting the money we gave you and make your products better and not over seas. You say your a true American car maker then be one keep the jobs and money here..
soyntgo4it 3 weeks ago in playlist The Super Bowl car commercials of 2012
Ron Paul will legalize Marijuana...Which means inventions will be through the F%*@ing roof, and will s&*@ on Hybrid cars! If Ron Paul becomes president, we will be flying like the jetsons by his inauguration.
ChequeSquad 3 weeks ago
This semi electric car, if go far used gas. Okay 1st question how much voltage charge for this car ?
2nd question : if i forget to charge this car, this car can be starter ?
3nd question : Chevy Volt is smart car ?
XX15214 3 weeks ago
@XX15214 I couldn't quite understand your question but I think I know what your asking. It cost something like $1.50 to fully charge the volt and it can be started without being charged.
Myaccountbastards 3 weeks ago
VOTE FOR RON PAUL
nholt 3 weeks ago 5
@nholt
This Car and cars like it will make us completly energy indepenant with our own oil, but it has two incredible powerful enemies. OIL and GAS companies and the industrial military complex that would hate to loose the biggest reason we spend so much on securing the world (OIL and OIL and more OIL)
Matt61589 2 weeks ago
Is Tim Allen the narrator?
alexcheetah79 3 weeks ago
@alexcheetah79 yes he does all the chevy commercials
CoOpStudios 3 weeks ago
@alexcheetah79 Yep! He is a great Detroit rep!
Chevrolet 2 weeks ago
@Chevrolet
I thought Tim Allen lived here... in L.A... and you paid him, and that's why he did the commercial...
Am I wrong?
mollesjohn 2 weeks ago
Awesome! also love the apocalypse 2012 commercial... Both brilliant for marketing... Everyone else is going to use 2012 commercials but now people will associate it with chevy and will trigger that thought each time anything related airs. A+ ADVERTISING
ChapmanHester 3 weeks ago
The pruis is created from rare metals from all around the earth, which help fund violence in Africa (look it up) very simular to our computers and actually hurts the earth more then it helps. It's just there to make rich yuppies feel good about themselves while they do nothing to help.
Cretinhopping 3 weeks ago
I want one:)
MrDJEMAR 3 weeks ago
consumers don't want these, dealers don't want them. who wants them?
beautyinmetal 3 weeks ago
I hear they sold 43 last month....... there are more lambos on the road than volts. lol
1combatjump 3 weeks ago
@1combatjump you heard wrong
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nightqueenbd 3 weeks ago
stupid commercials for the pea brained? and they also have Madonna? like anyone wants to see her anymore and niki minaj? wtf! it's like telling viewers "you are uneducated morons who watch anything we show you"
greaterwhiter1 3 weeks ago
So advanced, it used to catch on fire, and had to be fixed.
Gatoona 3 weeks ago
It makes no financial sense to get this over a Prius.
what77777 3 weeks ago
@what77777 the Pruis makes no financial sense over a used car,
Tcatracing 3 weeks ago
@Tcatracing Depends on how much you drive and how long you plan to own it. Also apples to oranges considering the differences in warranty and technology. NEXT!
what77777 3 weeks ago
I love this car!
I wish I had a Chevrolet Volt. It is an awesome car equipped with reasonable technology. For a person living in an area with little or no infrastructure for plug-in cars like the Volt, I love the fact that the Volt doesn't need a power outlet to keep moving along. I don't like filling up at the gas station, and I love driving technologically advanced cars.
Next car I get... I definitely want a Volt!
MrJapilz 3 weeks ago
@MrJapilz You want a Chevrolet Volt, not a Chevy Volt? Your adjectives are sure expressive, "awesome" and "reasonable" used back to back.
But your next sentence is the gem of gems. "For a person living in an area WITH LITTLE OR NO INFRASTRUCTURE..."
See, if I were living somewhere, I'd know whether I had no infrastructure or a little infrastructure.. I wouldn't have to guess.
Trying to paraphrase from a brochure, as you are obviously doing, doesn't really come out sounding right.
mollesjohn 3 weeks ago
@mollesjohn You really don't have a good point in criticizing Mr Japilz . Maybe he didn't use the best vocabulary, but who cares, he's not making fun of or criticizing anyone.
Chevy, Chevrolet, we get the point...
jivaledem 3 weeks ago
@jivaledem
So you feel the guy was being honest about his owning his own Volt? I think I made a pretty clear case that he was reading off a brochure or some marketing advertising. Do you often miss the points others make so badly? I was criticizing HIM for being dishonest, not for criticizing or making fun of others.
I don't know what else to say except maybe, in your case, read things several times over and try to understand what's being said before chiming in.
mollesjohn 3 weeks ago