Obama, Russia and Iran S-300 air defence systems

[smokesceen124]

America and its supporters are the only once that are pissed of with Iran, even though it has never invaded or made war-crimes against anyone before! countries out side American influence welcome Iran with open arms! that's the reason why Iran's so formidable, and a threat to American propaganda!!

[redviper2GAMER]

Obama said suck his big dick. Big nig kicked there ass. Big deal. Russia warns United States. Who cares? Russian public are small weak people. Little bitty workers in Russia.

[1MagicAndMayhem1]

Good News, Russia making good money from supplying Iran with its missile defense, Effective defense against Israeli aggression, Iran is very entitled to them to a degree

Bad News, S-300 is practically long term useless against the sort of weapons either European Or US forces are using and will use in the future

Interest question is why Russia don't sell S-400 to Iran?

[AminataCilla]

@1MagicAndMayhem1 , because both Russia and Iran are destined to fail soon. When Republicans take power in 2016. OBAMA's mission is to disarm Russia and Iran through sweet talk and charisma, then surround them with Military bases from Poland round to North Japan. US last resort is to divide Russia in 17 new countries by 2022, that will make it into small countries in the size of Belarus and finally divide China as well, so that the US will still remain the ultimate force. Wikileaks 2009

[1MagicAndMayhem1]

@AminataCilla Wikileaks is a farce, And about as accurate as a drunk man trying to piss into a flowerpot

Its about force projection

[tramvaj12]

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[deadtalibans]

good news for Russia, more brownie points for keeping the peace. But Russia Today needs to fuck off with their propanda and bs news

[jmorello123]

Well done, Russia Today, very informative reporting, : )

[TheDsAo]

Ha! You faggets say WW3 wil come?! BUllShit! Russia don't want a fight! they want to negoiciate a friendly diplomatic solution

[bestamerica]

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ussr russia did help give to iran secret

[Mr517519]

Soooo, whos kissing Iran's butt? Not I. Theres Camels that has Nukes written all over them. I really liked Isral's first plan...... BOMB THEM.... THEN TALK PEACE..... Serious, they are a threat, come on... there friends with North Korea and China. China only likes us somewhat be we owe them over 15 TRILLION DOLLARS. fricken crazy and I get in trouble if I over write a check for a nickle. lol.

[redwingsred74]

Israel needs to act NOW!!!! NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW!!!!!

[wowa99]

@redwingsred74 Israel was acting always. There is nothing new. They need always enemy. Iran just another created enemy. The military budget of Iran is at the same level as for instance of Singapure. And still a lot of shouting. Clearly agressive countries just creating image of enemy from some peacefull countries.

[UglySadistArrogant]

Russian treason on Iran (intesified during the terror reign of Medvedev (Dimitry the terrible) will not remain unanswered. Fear Iran's response when you don't expect it, bast.....rds.

[zahir76]

Nice

[FOCKOFFYOU]

uce the population drastically by 80%. Please Russia will you see the light

[robbinhood111]

iran got the s 300 , lmao

[rotoraval]

WMD in iraq=none

Nuke made in Iraq=none

Lies and more lies from USA gov..The pentagon knew that Iraq was out of weapons but the invasion was done.

Next Iran for WHATEVER, fuck USA go to hell buz it is your place that you come from.

[Mr517519]

@ rotoraval Чинг- Чанг Чонг waada wadda Динг-Донг . Бинг смеяться я freaken придурок . я могу читать. смешной га хаа хаа haaa ботаник . последних, г-н Funny . .

[rotoraval]

@Mr517519 english please thanks :)

[TheBrandond20]

@rotoraval So why is Iran so Arrogant and boastful about their nuclear program it's like they want attention

[rotoraval]

@TheBrandond20 Iran has the right to develop nuclear program for the progress of their country, the point here is that usa and israel dont like it, why buz geopolitic domination of the middle east,oil resources thats the point, and if somebody threat to you what are u going to do? Iran is not the problem, the only country to try to disturb the peace there is USA. Examples: Iraq, Afganistan, Pakistan, on and on.

[rotoraval]

@TheBrandond20 I can go more deep Iran is the second largest in gas and the first or second in oil of the world. Iran supply almost 45% of theirs fuels to China, think about it, China is growing in economic fast, pipelines cross Iran, Pakistan to China what at means for USA, bad news.How USA can control a super power China? Here is your answer the real war is with China, the middle east is only the beginning.

[Omega3chimp]

Didnt Russia get bombed by muslim extrimists,why are they helping crazy muslims must be because of all the oil they get from iran.

[vladimirstanislav]

Russia has enough oil on its own so its not about oil. Its pure Business deal...

[kurtcobainb]

causs the 2 religion in Russia is Islam Fucking idiots and theres diffrent betwen terrorist and Islam and what u call The US we shoold call it with Isreal something more then terrorist we shoold creat for it a new Word

[PunisherLobo]

@Omega3chimp Muslim is not directly Muslim! The Guys that bombed Moskau wher Wahabis a extremist Islamic Sect from Saudi Arabia in Chechnia! The Saudi State is finfancing this extremist Wahabi/Salafi sect all over the World! Iranians are Shias they hate Wahabis and Saudi Arabia! Also other Sunni Countrys do hate the Wahabi but the Wahabis got all the Oil Money and Money is Power! THe Wahabi Sect taked over Arabia and called it Saudi Arabia in the 1920tes!!!

[Omega3chimp]

@PunisherLobo i dont care just bomb sombody cause th enews is boring.

[PunisherLobo]

@Omega3chimp just telling lil bit history man ;) Beacuse many of the Sunnis and Shias are really peacfull people! The Wahabis do all that Al kaida extremistic Bullshit! And the fucking Main Stream Media just pushing them and call it then islam! Its like Scientology bombs some shit and they blame it on the Whole Christan People and the Pope! :D Fuck the Main Stream Hoes!

[Omega3chimp]

@PunisherLobo yeah main stream hoes those pussy's are too expensive.

[tarashti]

Down with rusia(Rusland )

We fuck rusland and they must be carefull with IRAN.

Persian hate Rus

[tarashti]

Down with rusia(Rusland )

We fuck rusland and they must be carefull with IRAN.

Persian hate Rus

[arbighookasian]

us wants oil and oil and oil people around the world should unify against a fat lazy slob called uncle sam, so what is next china

[Frost87112]

@arbighookasian

dude, they won't even survive if they atk iran, because they're not alone...lets say Iran+Russia+China+North Corea+all the other countries who hates the Zionist empire...in the other hand who's with america....???? U.K???? i really doubt there's another nation dumb enough to join U.S. having russia that near lol...im looking further for the new Era in Amrica without the U.S.

[ArmAFan]

So what? Who cares if Iran bought S-300. It is legal to buy weapons to defend your country. Only countries that would get pissed off would be the ones that are planning to start a war in Iran..

[karlkarlkarl1234]

Iran already has a capable s-300 air defence system.

[Bellagiodude]

I think its funny how the media are trying to push the S300 as being the most advanced defense system to date. The S300 is just a copy cat of the United States AEGIS system which was developed in the early 1990's. Once again the United States sets the standard in technology excellence. Far ahead of others

[phadil]

If Iran fell, russia and China will lose the few oil producing country outside the US control. So Russia and China will use any means necessary to defend Iran from falling into US influence.

[Dogmeat1950]

@phadil your mistaken. Chian and Russia wont' do shit to Help Iran other then Sell stuff and guess what. as of Yesterday China and Russia Agreed to place sactions on Iran no longer selling weapons to them.

nice job Iran you wasted your money.

[phadil]

@Dogmeat1950 yeah, and yet China oil company are still heavily involved in Iran and there's no sign they gonna pullout anytime soon.

[pasargad22]

Iran also makes Resonance n radars under license production with 1000 km range. IRAN AD has also Pelvilana Radars

[pasargad22]

S300 PMU and S400 use Gama and Kasta radars . Iran has shown her Kasta radars in this year parade. Gama can detect targets as big as tennis ball at 240 km. it is a phase array. Gama is Irans best radar. it is Iran's F14 tomcat.

[USAAIRPOWER]

Russia banned selling S-300 to Iran! Watch AljezeeraEnglish (Inside story -Russia's military deal with Israel)! Israel agree to sell their advance UAV or drones to Russia military! Israel got permission from USA! Israel make a good deal for Russia that Russia will froze their advance fighter like Mig-31 & Mig-29SMT to Syria & Iran! Too bad for Iran & Syria!

[elterrible77]

Israel should be punished for her sins God said that their would be wickedness in high places and if the bible is right than what higher place than Israel who commits evil acts against the palestinians

[zackhb708]

Name any other country, that has given up land, under the pressure from the international community. Israel, is the only one. The palestinians, are going to have to answer to God for their violence against his people. When the final attack from Magog finally takes place, the armies that have set themselves against her, are going to be devoured. So much so, that the Israelites, are going to have to spend seven straight month's, burying the bodies of her enemies.

[elterrible77]

the palestinians violence is a reaction not action they were the ones forced out of their homes and massacre by the israelite army and when have you heard the palestinians attacking another nation like israel has attack iraq,lybia,syria the list goes on and when have you heard palestinian army never they are freedom fighters not terrorist like the media portrays them god bless the palestinians FREE FREE PALESTINE

[zackhb708]

The palestinians, are going to regret the day they ever loooked sideways at Israel LOL!!! Palestine, is never going to posess the land! Ever!

[zackhb708]

Russia, Iran, Lybia, Ethiopia, Sudan, Spain, Turkey...The list goes on and on! These are the enemies, that are going to attack Israel...A.K.A. The Magog invasion. [ Moscow ] It will be Russian lead.

[djuwell]

will america be part of the list?

[KappaNappa]

dirty arab!

[elterrible77]

for your information im not arab im mexican and proud of it dirty zionist jew!

[Bellagiodude]

If it wasnt for Hamas constantly bombarding Israel with rockets maybe Palestine wouldn't be in the postion there in right? Israel has a right to defend itself. I guarantee that they will they arer a strong prosperous country in which God is watching over!!

[gryzorx]

And if it wasn't for israel constantly destroying Palestinian homes or evicting its inhabitant by force for decades now, to replace them with settlers in total defiance of international laws, maybe Hamas wouldn't have been born in the first place, right ? and what's the point of talking about Palestine here anyway ? and i'm pretty sure that if God exists, he/she/it doesn't make a difference between peoples' right to live based on their nationality or ethny.

[Bellagiodude]

Again you miss the point. Hamas hides in the neighborhoods of the palestinians they launch attacks from them. Why do you think Israel is doing the evictions. They are protecting themselves. Iran being a big supporter of Hamas. What does that tell you. Iran wants nuclear weapons. If not why do you need 12 nuclear power plants for a country with only 50 million people, also why keep them secret? God does exsist and God helps them who help themselves.

[gryzorx]

At least for my part i don't pretend to be preaching God's will, or bring up a fictionnal weapon to support my thesis of american dominance, or think that the S-300 is based on american tech while the exact opposite is true. And learn history : Hamas was partly funded by Israel to challenge Arafat's then popular, and secular mouvement. 24,000 home desctructions have taken place since 1967 in the West Bank, Hamas was created in 1987. Israel has 200 Nukes at Dimona and always refused inspection.

[gryzorx]

Israel even refuses to sign the NPT, is the only nuclear power of the whole middle east with delivety weapons, the jericho missiles, that can reach 11,000+ km range, in other words any country in the region and even beyond. Iran has recently declared its facilities to the AIEA, and always allowed inspection, while their extent may be subject to debate, it's still better than Israel's ZERO cooperation. Oh yeah, nobody knows really whether God exists or not, so don't impose your view on others.

[gryzorx]

Ps : Iran's population is not 50 million people, but more than 70 million, you just missed 20 million inhabitants, no big deal. And there aren't "12 power plants" in the country, there are 16 nuclear related structures in Iran with each its specific use, for instance some are used to produce medical isotopes, while other provide heavy water, whereas other sites offer uranium enrichment. Only Bushehr is a complete power plant as of this year, so to say "12 power plants" is an utter lie.

[Bellagiodude]

LOL okay 20 million . Nevertheless Iran has no need for these "structures" The have one of the largest oil reserves in the world. Why go to nuclear power? Anyway there continue defiance of International law will turn the people against this "mad" regime. These medical isotopes can be imported from Russia or the United States. also I do retract the 12 power plants I will call them 12 nuclear bomb factories!

[gryzorx]

Well we do not share the same view on the matter, while i have no love for the iranian regime either, i do find it displaced that a major nuclear power such as Israel that can nuke every country within 11,000 km with 200 nuclear bombs, still allows itself to give lessons. The day they disarm, then we can talk about a suspect neighbor. And Iran knows it may be unable to sell its oil one day due to embargo, no matter the regime, it's only fair to try to reduce dependency on oil.

[Bellagiodude]

You have SYRIA, IRAN both have threatened Israel. I think you too would also have Nuclear weapons to DEFEND yourself. Iran has made constant threats of "wiping Israel off the face of the earth" Israel is a defense country it will go after anyone who attacks.

[gryzorx]

Except that Israel has had its nuclear arsenal since the 70s. By then Iran was a stallwart ally of Israel. The two countries had military cooperation agreement, including nuclear warfare-related work. Syria would never try to attack Israel, proof is they didn't even react when their alleged nuclear site was bombed in 2007. They know the IDF's edge would hammer them in the event of a conflict, that puts the "Syrian threat" out of the equation.

[gryzorx]

True Ahmadinejad is an anti-semitic nut-job and badly challenged by his own people lately, but it doesn't grant Israel any unilateral action against Iran as a nation. You can't make millions of people take the risk of massive radioactive fallout just to satisfy some displaced paranoid sense of insecurity from Israeli hardliners. Experts worldwide say Iran is as far as 5 years away from getting a bomb if they ever make the decision to build one, anyway, so there's no such urgency to strike.

[gryzorx]

And if they ever get one, the Islamic Republic knows that a nuke sent to Israel would also mean the total destruction of their own country both by Israel and the US, so the supposed existencial threat argument is nullyfied. None of these countries can nuke the other without facing the risk of extinction itself : classical balance of terror. Israel has been keen on saber rattling for years, and there is strong US presence on Iran's borders. Would you be in Iran's position, you'd do the same.

[gryzorx]

Israel's Dimona reactor is one of the most secretive military facilities in the world, whereas most of Iran nuclear sites are public knowledge with international inspectors present on site and granted access to key areas.Current tension concerns fuel exchange terms, not access to sites. So as far as this particular matter is concerned, if there is one country in the world in no position to lecture Iran or any other non-nuclear country about such ambitions, it's the jewish state itself.

[Bellagiodude]

Israel is not breaking international law. Its well know and documented that Israel is a nuclear state. Israel went the right and legal way in obtaining nuclear weapons. Israel has not threatened any country as Iran has. The have only attacked when provoked. Thats the difference.

[gryzorx]

Man you're so wrong all the way it's hilarious... document yourself before being so confident in your speech next time. Israel is well known to have always refused to even recognize officially the very existence of its nuclear arsenal to the UN, let alone its right to have it or not. A month ago, an AIEA resolution finally condemned the country in this regard. The famous secret Dimona nuclear site was made public by a whistleblower named Mordechai Vanunu who was then condemned for treason.

[Bellagiodude]

Israel started it;s nuclear program in the mid 1950's Since 1970's Israel status as a nuclear weapons state has become an accepted international fact. Although Prime Minister Levi Eshkol didn't want Israel to be the nation to be the first to introduce nuclear weapons to the middle east it was necessary to have them due to the constant threats of Iran, Syria and until 1980's Soviet Union. All the NPT countries Non- Proliferal treaty nations ie US, China, France,United Kingdom were well aware

[Bellagiodude]

Sometime in early 1958, Israel started the excavation and construction work at the Dimona site. When French President de Gaulle learned soon after his election about the secret project, he acted to end French participation in it, but it took almost a year until his decision was translated into meaningful action. When de Gaulle informed Ben-Gurion in June 1960 about his decision, Israel decided to complete the project on its own. As you can see France was well aware of the "Dimona Site"

[Bellagiodude]

Is that documented enough for ya?

[Bellagiodude]

In July 1970, the New York Times disclosed that Israel was considered by the U.S. intelligence community to be a NWS.[9] Shortly after, Israel started to deploy its first nuclear-capable missiles, the Jericho-I, a delivery system that had been initially built by a French contractor but, due to the French embargo, was transferred to Israel and completed in one of the plants of the Israeli Aviation Industries. By the time of the 1973 Yom Kippur War, Israel was already a small nuclear power

[gryzorx]

[...]in 1960, when France began to pressure Israel to make the project public and to submit to international inspections of the site, threatening to withhold the reactor fuel unless they did. De Gaulle offered Ben Gourion to sell Israel fighter aircraft in exchange for stopping work on the reprocessing plant, and thought the matter closed.But in the end France would supply the uranium and components already on order and would not insist on international inspections.

[gryzorx]

In return, Israel would assure France that they had no intention of making atomic weapons, would not reprocess any plutonium, and would reveal the existence of the reactor, which would be completed without French assistance. In reality, not much changed - French contractors finished work on the reactor and reprocessing plant, uranium fuel was delivered and the reactor went critical in 1964. Note the terrible analogies with Iran's situation today.

[Bellagiodude]

France developed and built the Jericho and the Jericho II missiles which were designed to carry the missles. Your information is very "shottie" at best.

[gryzorx]

The Jericho II was a solo Israeli project started in 1987, derived from french tech. I never denied that France helped build Dimona. I simply said it was one of the "most secretive structures in the world", which my info confirms. France helped Israel so long as the site remained a CIVILIAN one. Not a single time the two countries agreed on a military character of any kind. France pulled out as soon as it became clear that Israel was playing with its own terms, it's pretty clear in my quotes.

[gryzorx]

Then Israel did everything it could to conceal the US from discovering details of the project, there again it's present within my quotes. Israel finished alone the development of later Jerichos, and fitted them unliaterally with nuclear warheads. They were not supposed to be used as delivery vectors for non-conventionnal charges. Israel acted alone in this regard. Yes you're right, France was well aware, and it's precisely for that reason that it decided to stop its participation !

[gryzorx]

What proves me wrong here ? The only thing it shows is that your "legal", and "internationally" accepted fact, is a lie. Would it be from the US or France, neither of these ever "helped" or "accepted" Israel's military nuclear work. On these only two countries in the world with suspicion that Dimona was home to newly developed nuclear weapons, none made it official or knew exactly what was going on, not without tremendous efforts from the Israelis to keep them from getting closer.

[gryzorx]

By the time the CIA had a clearer picture, and particularly after Mordechai Vanunu exposed Israel's secrets to the world, it was already too late. Being stalwart allies, none of the countries could allow themselves to strain their relations based on "fait accompli". Still, Obama urged Israel to ratify the NPT, a never-seen-before act from an american president. The IAEA also voted a resolution calling Israel to open the Dimona site for inspections. Not a legal nor accepted fact to me.

[gryzorx]

Take a look at the source of my quotes if you want more detailed information on the subject. It's the Federation of American Scientists website, among others. I can't past the link directly so you'll have to google it.

[Bellagiodude]

Confidential intelligence documents obtained by The Times of London show that Iran is working on testing a key final component of a nuclear bomb. Although Iran might claim that this work is for civil purposes, there is no civil application," said David Albright, a physicist and president of the Institute for Science and International Security in Washington, which has analysed hundreds of pages of documents related to the Iranian programme. "This is a very strong indicator of weapons work."

[gryzorx]

Btw, how did you find the site i mentionned ? quite informative, isn't it ? This American Scientist Federation is truly something when it comes to nukes. But okay, let's sum up : Iran seeking future nuclear weapons is illegal, granted. But based on the many history facts and recent turn of events i mentionned, i guess the same goes for Israel having an arsenal of its own. Oh, wait, Iran can still back down, while Israel has to dismantle an EXISTING proof of crime in the eyes of the world now.

[AntiDefm]

@gryzorx: Israel dismantle it nukes?! LOL!

Israel, US and its allies (including Turkey) have been against the "nuclear weapon free zone" for Middle East at UN since Iran first proposed it in 1974.

And, Israel is not the only country has the nuclear weapon, Turkey has the direct control of 40 nuclear bombs from US under the NATO alliance.

Israel, US and its allies have made very clear that they want the absolute nuclear superiority in Middle East.

No one can have nukes except them.

[AntiDefm]

The problem is Iran lack of determination to own nukes.

Iran started nuclear progran very earlier in 1950's under Shah. Iran has the top-rated scientists and engineers trained by the west and it always has enough founding to do it. It took Pakistan 26 years (1972-1998) and India 31 years (1967-1974) to make nukes, the question is: Why it takes Iran so long?! and why Iran joined and signed NPT (and let IAEA getting on its back)?!

[AntiDefm]

To have nukes becomes "illegal" only if you signed the NPT.

India didn't sign anything (NPT, CTBT, or whatever), India has nukes, and both US and Russia woo India, want to supply India the nuclear technology, build nuclear plants for them, sell advanced military hardwares to them, want to be India's "strategy partner".

Why India?! Why not Iran?!

Why Iran got so much controversaries?! Why not Iran to enjoy what India has been enjoying now?!

[Bellagiodude]

India, Israel has not threatened Jihad against its neighbors or America. Thats the difference

[AntiDefm]

Let's put in this way; China is the only country that allows its neighboring countries to have nukes (India, Pakistan, North Korea). That tells you the true peace-loving country from the fake peace-loving ones. The whole world would be much more peaceful if every country got nukes.

US certainly wouldn't invade Iraq if Iraqis got nukes, So, let's hope Iran will have nukes soon. A nuclearized Iran will ensure the stability and peace in Middle East.

We all should support Iran to have nukes!!!

[Bellagiodude]

That doesn't make sense. The US invaded Iraq because of possible Nukes.

[gryzorx]

Yeah, and Jesus in person tells Bush what to do every night just because he says so that makes it true... Are you still believe that old propaganda ? it's been one of the best knowns facts of the decade, former members of his cabinet and high ranking militaries have constantly been saying that the wholde WMD thing was a lie to begin with. Colin Powell even qui after they forced him to publish fake photos at the UN, and not yesterday an inquiry was opened against Tony Blair for war crime.

[gryzorx]

And you're not even right on your own facts : not even Bush or Blair ever said Saddam had "nukes", the whole lie was based on possible "chemical weapons", nothing else.

[Bellagiodude]

Do you have a life other than sit on the computer? You have not shown me any proof about your info. No links as I have. Iraq was know for having a Nuclear Program. It was bombed in 1981. Do you not think they could rebuild? Also you claim Israel murdered thousand of people. When Hamas hides in Neighborhoods firing rockets from schools and hospitals then yes there will be collateral damage. Israel has ever right to defend itself.

[gryzorx]

Home destructions since 67 w w w .icahd.o r g/eng/docs/ICAHD%27s%20updated­%20House%20demolition%20statis­tics.pdf The IAEA case w w w .ynet.c o.i l/english/articles/0,7340,L-37­78884,00.h t m l Broken UN resolutions list : w w w .salemshalom.blogspot.c o m/2007/12/heres-list-of-u.h t m l Former IAEA chief on Iraq WMDs berkeley.e d u/news/media/releases/2004/03/­18_blix.s h t m l, Israel's deliberate destructions w w w english.aljazeera.n e t/news/middleeast/2009/10/2009­10395820396287.h t m l

[gryzorx]

Personal attacks are futile, stay focused on the subject. Also i don't remember seeing you drop any links so far either. Besides, i told you a couple of times where to get my info because i couldn't paste links by then, try again, learn to read or something. Satisfied, or should i go on ? Oh yeah, you have to remove the spaces within the adresses in case you didn't understand.

[gryzorx]

Here's some more, hot from the oven : former acting prime minister of Israel Tzipi Livni's arrest warrant issued from UK court just today : w w w . jpost. c o m/servlet/Satellite?pagename=J­Post/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=12­60447437715 and a correction to the link i pasted in my last post on the deliberate killings in Gaza, this one works better : h t t p : / / justicenownetwork.blogspot . c o m/2009/10/key-points-of-goldst­one-report. h t m l (as usual erase the spaces :)

[Bellagiodude]

The US and colition forces were searching for "WMD" When they invaded Iraq. As far as I know Nukes are WMD. correct? as wells a chemical and biological. There they were searching for Nuclear weapons.

[AntiDefm]

@Bellagiodude: About the most recent American War in Iraq, please watch the video I made a while ago, "Why Not george Bush ?!" on my channel. Hope that will provide some answer to your question.

[gryzorx]

No, Israel has just killed as many as 3,000 innocent people in 2 separate agressions since 2006 in the name of "security for its people", let alone all exactions within occupied territories, but i won't enter into a debate on that with you, the issue is too obvious and i've already wasted enough time with fact and references ignored. Israel doesn't need to proclame Jihad, it does in concrete actions whatever it wants to its neighbors with the veto-wielding US at the UN, specially since 1982.

[Bellagiodude]

This was printed today in the London Times. December 14th 2009. The technical document describes the use of a neutron source, uranium deuteride, which independent experts confirm has no possible civilian or military use other than in a nuclear weapon. Uranium deuteride is the material used in Pakistans bomb, from where Iran obtained its blueprint. Kinda somes up our little debate doesn't it. Iran's Intent in obtaining nuclear weapons. Must be hard for you to read this.

[gryzorx]

Well, i guess not as hard as you reading how Israel put tremendous efforts to conceal its programme from the outside world and how it failed in recent years in regard to Vanunu first, and then the very same IAEA that holds Iran accountable today. And if you had read my posts more carefully, you would have noticed that at some point i openly say that i'd find it fair for Iran to obtain nukes one day, since its nuclear-armed neighbor has been saber-rattling for a couple of years against it.

[gryzorx]

[...]The US became aware of Dimona's existence after U-2 overflights in 1958 captured the facility's construction, but it wasn't identified as a nuclear site until 2 years later. The complex was variously explained as a textile plant, an agricultural station, and a metallurgical research facility, until David Ben-Gurion stated in December 1960 that Dimona complex was a nuclear research center built for "peaceful purposes." Note the similarities with today's Iran's speech regarding Busheir.

[gryzorx]

"US inspectors visited Dimona 7 times during the 60s, but were unable to obtain an accurate picture of the activities carried out, largely due to tight Israeli control over the timing and agenda of the visits. The Israelis went so far as to install false control room panels and to brick over elevators and hallways that accessed certain areas of the facility. The inspectors found no evidence of "weapons related activities" such as the existence of a plutonium reprocessing plant."[...]

[gryzorx]

[...]"Although the US government did not encourage or approve of the Israeli nuclear program, it also did nothing to stop it. Walworth Barbour, US ambassador to Israel from 61-73, the bomb program's crucial years, primarily saw his job as being to insulate the President from facts which might compel him to act on the nuclear issue, Barbour even put a stop to military attachés' intelligence collection efforts around Dimona."

[gryzorx]

"After the 67 war, Barbour even put a stop to military attachés' intelligence collection efforts around Dimona. Even when Barbour did authorize forwarding information, as he did in 66 when embassy staff learned that Israel was beginning to put nuclear warheads in missiles, the message seemed to disappear into the bureaucracy and was never acted upon.CIA estimates of the arsenal's size did not improve with time. In 74, Carl Duckett estimated that Israel had 10-20 nukes."

[gryzorx]

The upper bound was derived from CIA speculation regarding the number of possible Israeli targets, and not from any specific intelligence. [...]This remained the official American estimate until the early 1980s. Oddly, it sounds quite less of an "official, internationnally known and accepted fact" than you say. To sum up, France was not aware of anything past Dimona's existence, and the US contented themselves with classified estimates.

[Bellagiodude]

France helped build Dimona. They also were building the Missiles to carry Israel Nuclear weapons. De guall decided to cancel the program after he was elected. They were WELL AWARE.

[gryzorx]

Not at all. You missed many points, and took many shortcuts that suited your perception of what is secret and what is legal. Here's some clarification on what you failed to mention :

[gryzorx]

Israel has not confirmed that it has nuclear weapons and officially maintains that it will not be the first country to introduce nuclear weapons into the Middle East. Yet the existence of Israeli nuclear weapons is a "public secret" by now due to the declassification of large numbers of formerly highly classified US government documents which show that the United States by 1975 was convinced that Israel had nuclear weapons. So anything you know today has only been recently released.

[gryzorx]

As for the medical isotopes & stuff, why would they be specifically forced to abandon their own technical capabilities and rely on foreign powers rather than to become an independent actor on its own industry ? the decision to make CIVILIAN use of any kind is not anyone's to make, but Iranians themselves, it seems obvious !

[Bellagiodude]

Why all the cover up and the secrets and the deception then? If this is for peaceful purposes why not allow inspectors in? I am sure that they would be permitted as long as the follow the Laws. They are after Nuclear weapons plane and simple. Even Russia (ally of Iran) are getting a little fed up with Irans Bullshit.

[Ievute80]

russians have killed our babys, have violated our women, have thiefed our churchs, they are komunists, propagandists, paranoic pigs!!

[filetitan]

haha hurts doesn't it?

[submyfavorite]

lol where u from?

[russianpride415]

where u from?

[Mindaugas75]

Short nose + fat face + vodka + smell + blond hair + bad words + stupid blue eyes + komunism + idiotism = rusian. So... Shut up, rusian pigs! Go to you papa putin!

USA and Lithuania together forever!

[mezozoy23]

Кому вы нужны, используют вас и выбросят как презерватив, без России вы как бездомные шавки, как независимы, так и несчастны и никто вам не поможет...

[motida80]

DEATH TO IRAN

[iiNDiTC]

21st century...diplomacy + reasoning > realist thinking

[RockyBalboa211]

America>Russia!

[sds7508]

Gog and Magog are going to attack Isreal under false peace. If you read the Bible faithfully you would know Gog and Magog are present day Russian and her Arab allies. What could this mean the Antichrist will form a false peace treaty with 10 for 7 years. Look for the man that is head of a peace treaty with 10 for 7 years.

[secrethero303]

bull fucking shit...dont give that 4000+ yrs old fuckin so called prophecy ...

OIL, OIL, OIL...you greedy bastards.

SA, AUS, CAN, India and many other places are good examples of imperialist foot prints.

[odiloglobocnik]

screw with the slavic people and will turn you into meat sauce

[hellstone77]

LMAO!

Hey genius? if anyone is Gog it's the United States and Israel.....

[sds7508]

I'm just referring to Biblical maps which is present day Russia. How can Israel attack itself? I just find it interesting that Russia and Iran now have a strong relationship and the Bible says that Gog and her Arab allies will attack Israel. It doesn't say the antichrist comes from Gog so he or she can come from another location. Maybe even the U.S.?

[georgelid101]

I doubt that very much as the U.S., unlike Russia, has proven missile defense capabilities (ever heard of the "son of starwars" ?) look it up.

[georgelid101]

I don't think anyone should be too worried about Russia giving Iran defensive weaponry. After all, the U.S. could destroy both Russian and Iranian air defenses in the event of a war.

[gryzorx]

hahaha nice once K3N :p but i would add that russia has sooo many other assets (their now re-empowered air force, among others) that could prevent anyone from securing their airspace anyway. Not to mention the S-300 alone has been qualified by a top US commander as a "virtual no-fly zone for current aircraft", and everyone keeps talking about the S-300, forgetting that its successor the S-400 is even more advanced and deadly. US beating Russia ? Fucking JOKE man.

[gunnemdown357]

Hahaha i thought you yust said re-empowered airforce................Oh shit you did.............Russian military dont got shit on US military...You ever heard of people seeing UFO's in Roswell New Mexico....Im pretty sure that their not aliens that their seeing.....Its our Airforce flying shit that WE the public now nothing about....Our goverment dont spend BILLIONS of dollars on our defence yust so that the Russians can have something better...Hell fucken no..

[gryzorx]

Man ! i must be hallucinating, you didn't bring the Area 51 bullshit as a viable argument on a technical "debate", did you ? oh fuck, you did !. LooooooL sry but when i bring facts to the table i expect a little more serious than that. Btw the Russian spend BIILIONS on their defense too, precisely so that they can counter every technology you may introduce to your arsenal. Allways been that way, allways will be, that's called tech wars, there's nothing new in that , don't be that naive :)

[gunnemdown357]

have you ever been there or talked to anyone that lives there or around there...hmmmm well

[gryzorx]

Actually i haven't, but you've probably heard a lot of people in the US still believe that man hasn't ever put its step on the Moon.. and i honnestly don't think i need to know them all to believe that they're wrong. If you wanna play the "have you been there" game, this would be endless, and i really doubt you and i can be on aggreement on the Russia Vs USA subject, which by nature, calls for a lot of bias from both sides, and which also (fortunatly for the world) remains unverifyiable anyway.

[knoose]

Agreed.

Any difference between Russia and the USA is minimal at this point., even from a month ago.

There side is Iran should not be cornered, and given a chance.

The USA want to end the use and expansion of nukes.

Both good honest opinions and reasons.

Neither is really more important idea than the other. Just opinions.

We are sorry for starting nukes, now just want to end them.

Just a bad way of doing war, would state little now in this day and age.

[gryzorx]

The huge bugdet of america is mainly needed to maintant their massive presence overseas, not to develop its own army, otherwise you'd have a lot more advanced than that, it's correct. Their is indeed a counter to every offensive asset you build, except that you don't bomb those countries who have it. Ps : i'm not russian, so don't say "you"' :p And wikiperdia, what a renowned credible source lol.

[korencek]

russians earn 10 times less than americans. so that figure doesn't count. meaning it costs russians 10 times less to make an airplane or develop something.

[Bellagiodude]

That also means that russian technology is 10 more crappy too!!

[Bellagiodude]

Russian Defense budge 68 Billion USD

United States Defense budget 624 Billion USD.

No you have not countered all the technology that the U.S has developed. I see no counter for the RAIL GUN. for example.

[gryzorx]

The Rail Gun... is more fiction than operationnal for now. And even the Serbs developped technology in this regard, let alone the Russians, who also actively work on that too. You're not the only ones on the job. The Russians also claim they are developping plasma based shields that disrupt missiles' guidance systems, and as the rail gun thing, i don't give these fantasist, "Star Wars" projects an ounce of credibility until they're used in a verifyable way, no matter the country who claims it.

[Bellagiodude]

This does not include the F-22 which has been proven to evade any air defense system today

[gryzorx]

That is why they built the S400. And i wonder why the USA tried everything to obtain a sample of both that system and the older S300 in a admitted purpose of modernizing its own Patriot systems in the mid 80s, and again in recent years. The AEGIS system has nothing to do with that. It's an information integration network system, we're talking raw radar and missile performance.

[gryzorx]

And i forgot to add that the S-500 system is also planned to become operationnal in 2012 and is supposed to outperform the latest version of the most advanced Patriot system. US setting new standarts ? maybe, but not on this one ;)

[Bellagiodude]

The U.S does see the Russians as a threat. If we did you would see new technology being produced. We are dealing with Iran here a 3rd world country.

[gryzorx]

A near-nuclear 3rd world country with the ability to independantly produce space launch vehicles, and a solid-fueled, inertial guided ballistic missile (the Sejil-2) with 2500km+ range, that many military experts judge as ahead of current ABMs. Sure. The military industry's new projects are not based directly on the threat, but more on the prospects of earning every time more expensive and ambitious contracts with the various branches of the military : F-22, F-35, ABMs etc... Lobbies, anyone ?

[Bellagiodude]

Just like North Korea right? Hmmmm

[gryzorx]

Except that NK's GPD is less than 1/4th of Iran's (88th world rank for Iran vs 141th for NK) Based on this figure only (i could quote so many others), i woudn't make such direct comparisons between the two countries.

[futuramark]

i think they should think about the possibility...after all they're arming your enemy with their latest technology..which will in turn kill your soldiers no?

[korencek]

give me that proff and I'll believe it.

they also said that apache helicopters can't be destroyed. now look at iraq how many were shot down. iraqi with arrows and bows...

[Bellagiodude]

No one ever said that the apache helicopter cant be destroyed. You show me where that was mentioned. The apache is a well designed helicopter that has proven its worthyness in Iraq, Afganistan. You want proof or as you call it proff. Google it.