Life and Miracles of Hazrat Abdul Qadir Jilani(18/20)

[jdjaved2005]

IF SEEKING INTERCESSION IS A SHIRK, ACCORDING TO DEVBADNIS/WAHABIS THEN THEY SHOULD NOT OFFER NAMAZ BEHIND A SUNNI IMAM. EVERY SUNNI IMAM BELIEVES IN INTERCESSION, THAT MEANS ACCORDING TO DEVBANDIS / WAHABIS HE DOES A SHIRK. IF I AM WRONG ASK ANY SUNNI IMAM??? THEN WHY DEVBANDIS/WAHABIS OFFER NAMAZ BEHIND A SUNNI IMAM?????? CAN ANYONE EXPLAIN?????

[bskulldragon100]

@jdjaved2005

oi oi calm down, your right but dun call them wahabis, alhe sunnatal jammat is right but we should call them wahabis because al wahab is a name of allah so we shouldent call em that

also remember that if a person that does not follow alhe sunnatal jammat we still must pray behind them :)

[jdjaved2005]

IF SEEKING INTERCESSION IS A SHIRK, ACCORDING TO DEVBADNIS/WAHABIS THEN THEY SHOULD NOT OFFER NAMAZ BEHIND A SUNNI IMAM. EVERY SUNNI IMAM BELIEVES IN INTERCESSION, THAT MEANS ACCORDING TO DEVBANDIS / WAHABIS HE DOES A SHIRK. IF I AM WRONG ASK ANY SUNNI IMAM??? THEN WHY DEVBANDIS/WAHABIS OFFER NAMAZ BEHIND A SUNNI IMAM?????? CAN ANYONE EXPLAIN?????

[AbraizN]

It is given in the Holy Quran: Iyyaka na'abudu wa iyyaka nasta'een. Here in the Tafseer of "wa," the Mufassireen have said that it means that asking for help and worship are not the same. Asking for help is asking for help ONLY. Worship is not included in that. Tell me what differentiates asking somebody to fetch a glass of water and asking a saint for help? Only for the saint why do you say that it is Shirk?

[Kakito786]

@TM15C

do you know what shirk is, define shirk...

[bskulldragon100]

@Kakito786 shirk? is assciation of partners with allah

do we worship sheiks? no we dont therfore ur argument is invalid

[Kakito786]

@bskulldragon100

no that is a small aspect of shirk. you cannot define what shirk is, you say its ascribing partners to ALLAH but yet make tens of accusations on different matters.there are athree different types of shirk in Shirk and these are ascibing any being or creation to have hge zaat of ALLAH, to have any of His Attributes and to be Worthy of Worship.

[Kakito786]

@Kakito786 Learn and research instead of being a scapegoat and following the heard ! look in to what shirk is and read up upon the hadith about Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu alay hi wasalam statin that their Ummah will never commit shirk...and Allah and His Prophet know best..

[Kakito786]

@TM15C

brother, are you saying that we can only ask allah for help and that we should ask directly to Allah. well let me say, it isnt shirk to ask one for their help whilst acknowledging that he is (mohtaj) in need of allah. there is a difference brother, everyone is in need of Allah whereas He, isnt in need of anyone... it isnt shirk full stop... i can gp into more detail id you want...

[TM15C]

I have posted comments on this page which prove that we should worship Allaah alone, which includes supplicating / DUA / invoking Allaah alone.

When performing a dua, we should only ask Allaah and ask Allaah directly, without intermediaries.

Let us all be brothers and worshippers of Allaah alone.

Let us FOLLOW the Prophet & companions and invoke Allaah alone in our duas.

May the prayers and peace be upon Allaah's Messenger, his family, his companions and those who follow him.

[TM15C]

However,we believe in the intercession of the Prophet and others on the Day of Judgement

But this takes place only after permission granted by Allaah to the intercessor, provided that Allaah is pleased with the one on whose behalf intercession shall be made

BUT - in regards to supplication / DUA / invoking IN THIS LIFE - We can only call upon Allaah alone and call upon Allaah directly.

Setting up intermediaries and seeking their intercession when making dua IS SHIRK, as described below

[TM15C]

Our Prophet appeared among people who were divided in their religion: some worshipped Prophets & pious people (Awliya), some worshipped trees and stones, while others worshipped the sun and the moon.

Our Prophet made no distinction between the groups and classed them ALL as Mushriks (POLYTHEISTS).

These Mushriks believed that it was Allaah alone who provides, sustains, governs all affairs etc. They called upon idols simply to INTERCEDE on their behalf - This was the Shirk they committed.

[TM15C]

Mushriks of old believed that Allaah creates, provides, controls the affairs - They only called upon a Prophet, Angels, Awliya, idols to seek their INTERCESSION

Some Shias also believe that Allaah creates, provides, controls the affairs - They only call upon their Imams to seek their INTERCESSION

Some Sufis also believe that Allaah creates, provides, controls the affairs - They only call upon in dua, to the Awliya to seek their INTERCESSION

It is ALL Shirk, just the names have changed.

[TM15C]

Among the Mushrikeen of old were those who called upon in dua / supplication to the Angels, the Awliya, idols etc.

Why did they do this? Because the Mushrikeen of old wanted to get closer to Allaah. So they called upon the Angels, their Awliya, idols etc. because they believed that the Angels, Awliya, idols were closer to Allaah.

The Mushrikeen of old called upon the Angels, Awliya, idols or even a Prophet etc. - TO SEEK THEIR INTERCESSION.

BUT - This act was classed as Shirk.

[TM15C]

Do you know what the Shirk of the Mushrikeen (polytheists/pagans) of old was?

Allaah speaks about the Mushrikeen of old in the Qur'aan and there are narrations about their Shirk too.

The Mushrikeen of old believed that Allaah creates, provides, sustains, controls the affairs etc. - So even the Mushrikeen of old were correct in this regard.

BUT - Their Shirk was in invoking the idols and seeking their intercession

They called upon idols because they believed they were closer to Allaah

[TM15C]

Catholic Christians call upon Jesus, Mary, dead saints in prayer - This is Shirk (polytheism)

Why? Because dua / supplication / invoking is AN ACT OF WORSHIP

Some Shias invoke members of Ahlul Bayt (members of the Prophet's family) in dua / supplication - This is Shirk and expels from Islaam

Some Sufis invoke the Awliya (righteous Muslims) who died centuries ago - This is Shirk and expels from Islaam

Let us call upon / invoke Allaah alone in our duas & thus worship Allaah alone.

[TM15C]

The foundation of Islaam is Tawheed (monotheism) - The belief in 1 God (Allaah), to believe God is unique, to believe that God is the only creator, provider, sustainer and controller of all creation.

Tawheed also means to direct ALL acts of worship to Allaah (God) alone, including prayers / DUAs / supplications.

Protestant Christians call upon / invoke Jesus in their prayers - This is Shirk (polytheism).

Hindus invoke idols in prayer - This is also Shirk.

Shirk is the worst sin.

[shadieqa1]

and we most certainly should not call anybody a kafr

Allah is the Judge and sees into the hearts of all people alhamdoelilah :)))

[shadieqa1]

assalamoe alaikoem wa rahmatoellah wa barakatoehoe brothers and sisters

we also should not call ourselves sufi,sunni,shia,wahabi,salafi,­hanifi............

we are muslim! alhamdoelilah

[TM15C]

The word ILAAH as used in the Quraan means whatever is worshipped &called upon in dua/supplication.

Calling upon anyone or anything besides Allaah or seeking intercession through anyone or anything in your DUAS/SUPPLICATIONS is not allowed and is Shirk, which expels a person from Islaam.

All dua/supplication must be directed to Allaah alone.

Many Sufis & Shias supplicate to the Awliya and are therefore worshipping them, as dua is an act of worship.

[AbraizN]

Salaam. Brother. The Quran says: "Thee alone we worship and thee alone we ask for help." Can you tell me why that "and" ?It could 've been without it. Because worshipping someone and asking someone for help is not the same. They are 2 different things. Do you know that in the battle of Yamama, the war cry of the Sahabah was "Ya Muhammada." Please read Tahir Ul Qadri's book on this. It is available online. Do yourself a favor and save ur Iman from unnecessary stresses. Yahdikallah!

[TM15C]

The phrase LAA ILAAHA in English means: There is no ILAAH, no god, no deity, no object of worship. The Mushrikeen (polytheists/pagans) of old understood the word ILAAH to mean one who is sought for intercession and nearness to Allaah, whether it be an idol, an Angel, a Prophet, a tree, a grave or a jinn etc.

The phrase ILLALLAAH in English means: Except Allaah.

LAA ILAAHA ILLALLAAH means Nothing has the right to be worshipped except Allaah.

BUT - Many Sufis do NOT establish this!

[rabbaniqadri]

ofcourse we all suifs do establish salah five time and only worship to ALLAH swt. we do ask ALLAH swt for dua through Thawasul which is Wasilah that Ya ALLAH forgive us or help us for sake of your Rasool SAW and your Awuliyah ALLAH for sake of them not from them. theres nothing wrong with that but its just Wahabis new Salafis thinks its shirk and they dont understand so they call thier muslims brothers kafir puting shirk on them which is biggest sin and haram. all sufis come to pray in mecca

[TM15C]

When making dua in Islaam - One can only ask Allaah and ask Allaah directly.

1) Asking directly to anyone or anything besides Allaah in a dua / supplication is Shirk.

2) Asking Allaah through anyone or anything is also Shirk. eg. If a person says "O Abdul Qadir Jilani, ask Allaah for me" - This type of INTERCESSION in dua is SHIRK.

The Mushrikeen (polytheists) of old used to seek intercession in their duas from their Awliya, the Angels, the idols etc. - THIS WAS CLASSED AS SHIRK.

[TM15C]

Therefore, making dua to other than Allaah or making dua through the dead or absent ARE BOTH FORMS OF SHIRK.

The third type of haram (prohibited) dua is to ask Allaah for the sake of someone.

EG: "O Allaah I ask you by the status of the Prophet..." or "O Allaah I ask you by the right of the Prophet..." - THESE DUAS ARE BIDAH (innovation). These type of duas are NOT found in authentic hadith.

In Islaam, when making dua / invoking / supplicating - WE CAN ONLY ASK ALLAAH & ASK DIRECTLY.

[TM15C]

Many Sufis & Shias (not all Sufis & Shias by the way) - have the same understanding of Tawassul & Waseelah.

Some Sufis & Shias think that if you ask the Awliya (righteous Muslims) who have died or Ahlul Bayt (members of the Prophet's family) and seek their INTERCESSION - Some Sufis & Shias say this is Tawassul - BUT THIS IS NOT TAWASSUL, RATHER IT IS SHIRK.

Tawassul means something else. One meaning of Tawassul is to get closer to Allaah and call upon Him alone by His beautiful Names.

[rabbaniqadri]

yes also asking ALLAH swt accept for duas for the sake of RasoolALLAH SAW is Thawasul a wasila of RasoolALLAH SAW to ALLAH swt. INshALLAH RasoolALLAH SAW will INTERCESSIED FOR US ON THE DAY OF KAYAMAH.

[TM15C]

QUR'AAN - And the mosques are for Allâh (Alone), so invoke not anyone along with Allâh. (Al-Jinn 72:18)

Then why do many Sufis go against the order of Allaah and invoke other than Allaah.

Many Sufis invoke Abdul Qadir Jilani.

This is Shirk and expels from Islaam.

The foundation of Islaam is Tawheed - To believe in Allaah as one, that He is the Lord of all creation, that He is unique AND TO WORSHIP ALLAAH ALONE.

Dua is an act of worship.

So dua to others is worshipping others.

[rabbaniqadri]

we never invoke other than ALLAH swt you just been told something wronge by some crazy wahabis who we dont like they been spreading bullshit around for years they are fake salaf who call ALLAH swt have hands, face and shin AsthaghfarALLAH Azeem. remember that ALLAH swt doesnt have hands or face or shins. ALLAH swt resemble without them ALLAH is nothing like onto his creation read the Quran. this is one of the Sifath of ALLAH swt.

[TM15C]

In Islaam we must accept all of the Names & Attributes of Allaah, as per Qur'aan & Sunnah

We cannot change their meanings, thus distorting the meanings

We must not liken & compare Allaah to the creation

There is nothing like Allaah in the creation.

Allaah is unique.

EG: Allaah hears and we also hear. BUT - Allaah is the All-Hearing. But we cannot hear all.

Therefore Allaah's hearing is NOT like our hearing.

Allaah's Names & Attributes are in a manner which befit His Majesty.

[TM15C]

The Prophet (sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) said: "If you ask, ask of Allaah, and if you seek help, then seek the help of Allaah." [Tirmidthee, good and authentic]

The Prophet (sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) said: Dua (supplication) is the worship. [Reported by Aboo Daawood and at-Tirmidhee who said it is Hasan Saheeh]

Many Sufis go to the grave of Abdul Qadir Jilani and SUPPLICATE / DUA / INVOKE him.

BUT - All SUPPLICATION / DUA / INVOKING must be to Allaah alone.

[rabbaniqadri]

we do not invoke him but we invoke ALLAH swt only ALLAH swt only ALLAH YA ALLAH on his grave to ask ALLAH swt for help pls understand that sufi teaching is not about shirk but its about love for the lord ALLAH swt through the Sheikh and Prophet Muhammad SAW reach the status of Thusawaf which is only reached through Thaqawah

[TM15C]

The Prophet (sal-Allaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) said:: Beware of those who preceded you and used to take the graves of their prophets and righteous men as places of worship, but you must not take graves as Masjids; I forbid you to do that.

Refer to the English Translation of Saheeh Muslim for the complete Hadeeth, Chapter 47: Forbiddance to build Masjids on the Graves & decorating them with pictures and forbiddance to use graves as Masjids: Book 4: Hadeeth no: 1083.

[rabbaniqadri]

ofcourse thats clear cut we dot make garve as mosque but beside the shrine it has be masjid on the side faceing mecca for salah namaz or prayers what ever u wana call it.

[TM15C]

We love the Awliya (righteous Muslims), those who were great worshippers of Allaah.

But this does not mean we can SUPPLICATE / DUA / INVOKE them.

Why? Because we have been commanded to supplicate / dua to Allaah alone.

Eg. The Shias supplicate to Alee by saying "Ya Alee help me...." - This is Shirk, which expels from Islaam.

Eg. Some Sufis supplicate to Abdul Qadir Jilani by saying "Ya Abdul Qadir help me...." - This is Shirk, which expels from Islaam.

[jabulanio]

My name is Afzal and i am in trouble, life has not been easy. Think of me in your duahs. Jazakalla.

[Come2Deen]

Jabulanio,bro may Allah take away all the troubles and worries away from you ameen.troubles r tests from Allah,keep ur salath,remain patient and say Allahamdulilah every moment,all the positive and the blessings will attract to you insha Allah.

[mquadri234]

May Allah give you guindance. Allah has declared war against those who has animosity with his Wali. Sayyidina Abdul Qadir Jilani (RTA) is a great wali of Allah and scholar of Islam.

Please stop trying to make fight among Sayyidina Abubakar (RTA) and Shaikh. You will lose your iman and you wont even know.

No sunni muslim claim that Shaikh is above Abu bakar. Certainly, Abu bakar is highly respected and elevated after the Prophet AS.

YOu need a guide, since you are deviated person

[aristotleuk]

Who is the greater of the two - Hazrat Abu Bakr Siddiq (RA) or Hazrat Abdul Qadir Geelani (RAH)?

If Hazrat Abu Bakr Siddiq is greater then why he does not have such tremendous powers and status as does Abdul Qadir Geelani (as is claimed by the deviant muslims).

{despite the fact that countless Qurani Aya's and authentic Ahadith unequivocally declare Abu Bakr Siddiq as the greatest person after the prophets}.

If Abdul Qadir Geelani is greater then why is there no Ayat or Hadith about him at all?

[Come2Deen]

airstotleuk,R U ok bro?It is not human prerogative to judge the Imaan of other muslims sepcially of those who r already gone through da test of life,who already got their places with Allah,Its Allah's authority to judge their statusof Imaan,we should worry about us cause we still in da test,we still have death n grave to see,if u read about Geelani(ra)he live about 12 generation after the Prophet(sa)so how u want to see hadith about him when he was not in da Prophet's(sa)life time.