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  • I think my tesco speakers are better

  • just amazing.just beoliving

  • dear santa...

  • Who gave you permission to put my house online huh?!?!??!

  • does anyone know the architect of the house? google isn't showing any.

  • I WANT THIS HOUSE!!!

  • wenn Träume wahr werden........

  • B&O's are just for looks. If i want art, i buy a freakin painting

  • We love Bang & Olufsen products and the attention on the details.

    Inspiring details and ambients that they create.

    Also we have the attention on details and in all that we do.

    See our products and give us some feedback.

    PASSION IS EVERYTHING

    BOCA DO LOBO

  • The Best House I Ever Seen

  • that's just the kind of architecture I love <3

  • Es ist ein Deutsches Haus ;)

  • I would pay $1000 to be in that house 1 week. 

  • i'm gona buy it

  • dangerous move, one wonders what to like more. the house or the gadgets? i go for the house anytime. And when you can afford a house like this one, Bang & Olufsen stuff are just accessories around the house.

  • Who lives here? George Clooney?...........

    

  • omg i love this house :D and also the BeoLiving

  • so will this sounds like it looks...?

  • Guess what! Its danish! :D

  • @RammsteinOLive Of course its Danish :) Im From Denmark

  • im disposed to buy this house... just disposed

  • Wheres my Black Amex?

    

  • Very clean house. They seem to have a very good cleaner. I need those cleaner, too.....and all the technical stuff ;)

  • i would like my house looks like that.. let me think.... you invite chick and she doesnt wants to go out.. :)) worth every peny

  • they make quality stuff and very nice designs but you can do a heap better for less just minus the gorgeous design. Its a piece of art really. Bowers & Wilkins and NAD amplifiers would floor B&O. My stepdad owns a 90's music center by B&O think its a 9000 or something. Very swish linked up to some overpriced BOSE acoustimass speakers. It sounds frankly crap. Compared to £300 worth of high end audio gear

  • @23chilled With bose speakers the result is pretty much the same whatever you plug into them..

  • the best house ever

  • lol the electronics cost more than an average house :D

  • @guy492 WAY more!

  • does anyone know the architect?

  • wow, just wow.

  • In this house you dont control the house. The house controls you.

  • @greatthingscanhappen

    LOL in that case, this house must be in Soviet Russia....

  • I have a lot of things from B&O and well yes it is good BUT it is not made in Denmark! It is made in shit countries around the world and then it still costs more than a F***ing car! The BeoLab 5 costs 5000$ to make but sell for 16000$ per speaker!!! That's F***ed

  • @victorh1414 what the hell are you saying man, my beosound1 is made in denmark,

  • @victorh1414 So do I. The majority is made in Denmark and Russia donkey.

  • @victorh1414

    euhmm...

    NOO

    it's about 16 000 for a pair, not for one. thereby have you even listened to them yet? they're Definatly worth 16 000 €

  • @victorh1414 thats branding for you :P

  • @victorh1414

    B&O proucts are ONLY made in denmark..you pay the manyfacture, the superior quality of video and audio, the better materials and the higher design.

  • @ermepo

    not true,

    font:B&O owner

  • @magellanoo

    I'm a B&O owner!

  • @ermepo unfortunately it's true...ask to your dealer...not the entire production is made in DK.for istance some loudspeaker are made in checa republic....

    

  • ,,this stuff is 4 chicks.....yes

  • why is bang & olufsen so expensive

  • @TUNA111111111111 Immense quality and it works.

  • @TUNA111111111111

    Well no one knows because it cost the same to make as apple pays for their things or Sony or any other company who get their stuff made in shit countries... In other words over priced ;D

  • @TUNA111111111111

    It is ridiculously expensive,but :

    they sound AMAZING

    they are made with higher quality materials

    they look beautiful and state of the art thirty years after

    they are danish,not korean or chinese

    and BECAUSE they are so expensive,they have a high status id

  • @TUNA111111111111 Why do stupid bitches pay $4000 for a stupid fucking handbag??

  • @sexyrexysexy Why not?

  • @ondrando I am making a comparison about idiots that say the products are too expensive. At least the are functional.

  • @sexyrexysexy but I got the money

  • @ondrando Wow.. So do I. Very impressed!!

  • @TUNA111111111111 u never felt these quality.

  • awesome man beautiful house

  • etot dom ne v raioy sluthaino!?

  • bowers & wilkins or bang & olufsen?? in terms of sound, option a.

  • Gotta buy that house first to make the B&O's look good!

  • B&O is like Apple. They dont make some spectacular hardware, but exterior is something special. And they have the nice and stylish design like apple, also have gadgets like beolink etc...

  • damn, Idk wat I was impressed on the sound or the house. IF only Philly look like that.... NAH!!!!!! If Philly ever look like that, I'll commit suicide.

  • ich bin mir durchaus darüber im klaren, dass es anlagen gibt deren klang weitaus überzeugender ist, als der einer b&o. aber dennoch macht den dänen in puncto design und image niemand so schnell etwas vor - es gibt einfach keine andere marke, deren geräte mehr hermachen.

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  • Can i just say, i have the central speaker and tv at 0.22 and also the remote at the beginning and they are all excellent. The silver screen is 1080p and the remote is excellent the way it displays the images of radio stations and also can be used to control almost every appliance hooked up to your tv (for instance sky hd and apple tv). All i need now is that single remote. All a bit pricey but stylish with outstanding picture and sound and simplicity. I also own the Beovision 9, not in this vid

  • What is the name of the backtrack called... any links or names... want it on my itunes. thanks

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  • i think people cant accept that the people who have these tvs are richer than you :D

  • Oh really? My thing is: I can't accept people who aims these tv's , where the tv looks better than the person who owns it. Is it understandable BEOVISION is facelift for ugly?

  • i guess you have a point.. But as much as you may hate it, people can buy what tv they like. People dont want to hear people like you shitting on them the whole time because they chose a certain product.

  • This time don't refer people. YOU! for instance, what is it to you? i criticized the tv and not the people who whore for beoliving while it promotes laziness I mean for what really???????????

  • I adore the name "BANG& OLUFSEN". i own beolab 8000 that's it!!!!...beoliving is just unnecessary.......

  • People who doesn't know? Wow, how educated you must be.

  • Well said dude! I completely agree! By buying B&O you actually display utter incompetence and unoriginality!

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  • Right, and someone truely educated like you would call apparently "uneducated" people faggots, cocksuckers. it seems like the only redneck here is you.

  • im the only one that i want to get in this house and never get out?????????

  • No way, me too!

    Can BeoLiving really do all that? Like controlling the pool cover and lighting.

  • yes, its all home automated certain b&o stores have a special room where they show you all this

  • @Zabooker Yes, i was in B&O store and guy gave me that remote control. It has weight around 0.5kg its really heavy, made of metal and glass, they built it with cooperation with nasa. You can dim lights, moove curtains, lock doors, TV, audio, players, even control popcorn machine. I red somewhere all this costs around 200,000 euros. Thats 300,000$. When you have house like this, it doesn't matter additional 200,000 :).

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  • @Zabooker mate, with the right bucks, everything like that is possible these days :)

  • @Zabooker yes. it can .

  • @Zabooker Yes, with the B&O Master Link Gateway it can. However it is probably best that you have it installed while you house is being built.

  • @Zabooker yes it can... it can control the shutters, lights, and i think basically almost anything or any power outlet. (ie: you could turn on a popcorn maker)

  • @Zabooker The B&O Link system can control everything you want it to....you can hook it up to doors, vindows, lights, curtins.....and so on.

  • @billxoubillxoubilly i would have to leave..who would go get a new keg for my kegerator

  • @billxoubillxoubilly no, anyone that likes nice stuff and likes quality dose

  • @billxoubillxoubilly no! im here too!!

    

  • I still have a set of B&o Bevox s-60's from the late 70's and they sound better than the Kef Q-50's(1990's) and the B&W CM7 (2008) in a A/B comparison. The bang's are great without a subwoofer whereas I feel the music becomes empty with the others. I wish i could afford the newer B&o stuff it looks great!

  • Could someone contrast B&O and Harman/Kardon?

  • you can't compare bose home theather system with bang olufsen....totally different.Bose are just small boxes,just noisy sound...b&o is pure art(quality/design)....and the price are totally different.

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  • In my opinion.

    "Bose is the poor mans Bang and Olufsen"

    Just saying...

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  • Bang and Olufsen is in another league to bose - bose is for the commercial market - B + O is for the real quality seekers - but i only have sennheiser hedphones coz b and o is too expensive

  • Although Bose is a pile of shit, Bowers and Wilkins does beat B&O, but B&O looks better!

  • Can't agree, Bowers and Wilkins is not a kind of sound I like, it's all very personall.

  • B&O isn't for the real quality seekers, its for the real quality seekers with money. I went to a B&O store, and checked out their products. They are AMAZING! and they blew my mind, but the price of their sound systems and tv systems blew my mind even more.

    But I have sennheiser headphones too, and i'm really happy with those!

  • But you would be "happier" with bang olufsen speakers right? :P

  • I'm a bose believer

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  • B.O.S.E.

    Buy. Other. Sound. Equipment

  • lol being second to one company isn't bad. B&O dosen't have the inovation bose does so =/

  • "B&O dosen't have the inovation bose does so" ????

    AaAAHahHAHAHAHAHhahahahahahaha­ahahaHAH the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard!

    BOSE!? Innovation?!! HAHAhaHAHHAHAAH

  • look into bose. they made a car suspension out of magnatism that rivals all other suspension. B&O have good speakers, i dont see them making suspensions, sound canceling for tank crews and artilery crews. Inovation.

  • That's the most absurd argument I've ever heard. Why does B&O have to make even a crappy suspension system to testify for their sound quality? I don't see them making suspensions, or sound canceling anything for any militaries- that's just not their target audience. At all. There is no reason a tank would need the sound quality B&O provides. So let them have their Bose systems, it's cool.

  • You are missing the point of the conversation. I was talking about inovation not sound quality.

  • If you are comparing Bose's suspension systems to B&O, that's silly. Compare Bose's suspension systems to a company that is known for their suspension systems. Like hotchkis maybe? If you want to compare Bose's innovation, look at how all of B&O's preducts are designed to work together flawless, but still work real well independently. Pretty innovative. When comparing two sound companies, discuss sound....

    Oh, and Bose's suspension is electromagnetic, not magnesium. Good try though.

  • I'm comparing the inovation, B&O is great, bose is great, they both sound great. I'm choosing to side with bose becuase i love what they have done. Bose has always been pretty great sound wise. I'll discuss whatever I please thank you.

  • Lol it's cool if you want to pick a side: I have clearly chosen B&O. And you can discuss what you want, you're welcome. But the argument that Bose is better because they made a suspension system does not hold any weight against the fact that they're more anything. I'll wait for you to back up whatever claim you have with relevant data, before I reply to you're quick wit again.

  • I am not saying that I prefer Bose. becuase I have never used a B&O product. I'm almost positive I will prefer B&O speakers, I am saying that a respect bose as a productive company. I was going to buy the B&O ear phones for my iPod. But my iPod has gone missing recently.

  • 1 month ago you posted on this video saying only "I'm a bose believer ". Commenting on a B&O ad, it sounds like you just sided with Bose. 25 min ago, you said, "I'm choosing to side with bose". That also makes me believe you're choosing Bose over B&O. I hope we can understand where I got confused in thinking that you were choosing a side. All I was doing was arguing against that side. Arguments don't need to get into name calling, all they are are differences of opinion.

  • I posted that comment saying im a bose believer, for two reasons. 1. I had just watched a bose and b&o car audio comparison that was judged unfairly. 2. I posted the comment on this video, a B&O video for the sole purpose to start an argument =]. there isn't a need for name calling. you are right. I've had a long day. That dosen't mean I am sorry or wrong tho.

  • I don't care if you watched some fair or unfair video, and took somebody else's word for it when they said the evidence was fabricated. That video means nothing, you still have yet to back up your claims on why you think Bose is better. And if you did it to start an argument, you achieved that goal. So expect no sympathy from me when you say "my words are loose when someone argues with me." as you did 28 min ago.

  • I know you don't care. No one else told me the evidence was fabricated, I'm the only one that seems to realize how and why it was unfair. Apparently you haven't been reading the whole comments. I don't think bose is better, I respect them more. Let me put it to you this way. I think BMW's are the best cars in the world. I love them, But i respect volvo more becuase they concentrate so much on saftey and value human life, I'd still have the biimer tho. You arent hurting me so dont hold back.

  • And I said magnatisim not magnesium, go read it you ill fuck.

  • Ahhh you said magnatisim! My bad. Magnatisim isn't a word, perhaps that's why I've been so confused. Magnetism is though (which I think is what you were trying to say, no? Attracting and Repulsing forces (magnetism) is still different than a force on particles with an electric charge (electromagnetism, which is what teh suspension was made out of). So Ill fuck? Perhaps. But that doesn't mean you know what you're talking about. Better luck next time.

  • I had a typo, one extra i. ill fuck yes. my words are loose when somone argues with me. And I do know what I'm talking about. One typo.

  • Hey man I have typos too. It's cool. But youre typo, "magnatisim" was trying to be "magnetism." So when you said that Bose made a magnatisim suspension system, you were still incorrect, it was electromagnetism. And there really is no need for name calling. I am not emotionally invested in this argument at all. So when I walk away, I will not be thinking about it. I won't think about it at all until my email tells me you've replied. And I won't be mad then because I'm not emotionally invested.

  • Respect them more, not prefer their speakers to B&O speakers

  • Why do you respect Bose more? You haven't given any reason to. If I were a consumer looking for new speakers, and you're a salesperson, sell me on the idea of taking Bose speakers over B&O. In fact, sell me on a Bose anything that B&O is also in the competitive market of.

  • I didn't want to use the word to many times but inovation. so yes I have. If you go and read the analogy i just made for you, you will understand that i respect bose more, yet if I was going to buy speakers and B&O are better as claimed by many. I would buy them.

  • I assume you're aware that B&O is a hugely innovative company?

  • Do tell.

  • The company is set up so all their products work together. If you come home and have your phone in your pocket, you can have your television follow the signal of the phone around the room by rotating on a central pivot. If the consumer so wishes. If any phone rings, all B&O products that produce sound will lower to a pre-determined volume so the consumer can talk without having to do anything extra.

  • Oh come now, you can do better than that. Many companies have systems to link your phone to your home entertainment system. All in all thats a gimic.

  • Ahh I see what you're doing. You're trying to get me emotionally invested in this argument by nay saying. "A lot of companies" tells me nothing. What companies are copying B&Os idea, and when. B&O have had this idea for years. Another company copying it wouldn't make B&O less innovative, it would be a testament. Good ideas should be copied. And what about the plasma? That's exclusive and innovative.

  • I never implied hinted or mentioned anything about emotion. Even if B&O were first, it doesn't make it any less of a gimic, that's honestly just something else to break. The plasma idea is all fine and great but it doesn't compare. They aren't putting that inovation to use in the world. Just home entertainment.

  • I can't say I honestly agree with you. I think it's a good idea. But let's say it is a gimmick. B&O created it because they too thought it was a good idea. That makes it innovative. And if more companies copied it, they too thought it was a good idea; something worth copying.

    Both Bose and B&O make products for home entertainment. So the comparisons that i am making are in regards to home entertainment. So let's talk about the companies in regards to home entertainment.

  • Them thinking it's a good idea isn't what makes something inovative. Inovation is when something is a breakthru in technology. an advancement, clever, new and useful. They also may have created it for the purpose of money, it was a money making idea. They could advertise it well. people would think "hey thats cool" and buy it. it's a money making gimic. a good reason for another company to copy it. to make money. it's no breakthru

  • Not only are B&Os products designed to work together flawlessly, they work just fine independently. Besides BeoVisions 4's life enhancing plasma TV. The BeoVision 7has a remote to control light, so the user can interact with everything in low-light situations. Allowing nobody to be disrupted and no need for cellphone light. They have projectors that examine ambient light so that the image projected can be seen in any condition. These are your definition of innovative, to home entertainment.

  • Which is all great but you're still missing the point, with all that inovation, they could be using somewhere else at the same time. Putting it to a much greater use. Why aren't they? It's not that they don't make amazing Home E.T systems. Becuase they do.

  • They have things that are outside of the HomeET market. But all of their stuff that extends beyond HomeET doesn't overlap Bose at all. And that's really all this discussion is: a discussion between Bose and B&O. And because Bose and B&O both specialize in HomeET, that's what I am bringing to the table.

  • You still think that I'm saying bose is better, don't you?

  • Well, you started by saying you thought Bose was better. You are arguing against all the innovation I bring to the table from B&O. You haven't said anything along the lines that B&O might be better, so yes I do.

    What's up?

  • No I didn't. once again, i respect them more, never said they were better. Yes I have, i've said their speakers are probably better you angry keystabbing nerd.

  • All the word "innovative" means, is something new. All the words you used are often synonymous, but do not mean innovative. Having your products work together is new. Or it was before people began to copy it. That makes it innovative too. This has become a grammatical discussion. That's stupid.

  • That isn't all the word innovative means. And don't go look up a definition of the word. Go ask somone what Innovation means.

  • I honestly laughed out loud when I read that. That's basically saying "Don't get a real definition, take my word for it. Even though it contradicts all other dictionary definitions." Ya... I'll stick with something we can agree on.

  • No thats not basically saying that. Go find a definition and let me know if it just means new idea. I'm pretty sure it's an idea that is useful and improves on something or creates something new in itself. Even if it just mean new. What I have been saying this whole time is that they come out with things that are put to use in amazing ways. It's kind of like inventing the wheel but on a smaller scale. it's more than just a new idea...

  • So you're saying Bose is reinventing the wheel?

  • ......

    The suspension. instead of just chainging the way the springs or the shocks are placed or how they work, they use a whole different and better source.

    It's on the same level as when the solar car came out. It's amazing.

  • Alright, what are you arguing? You posted on a B&O video that you're a Bose believer. To my "keystabbing self" (LOL what?), it makes me think you would take Bose over B&O. I think that's a dumb move. But perhaps I'm not understanding, so let's create a hypothetical. You're about to buy your next Audi R8, and Audi presents you with the option of Bose or B&O, both come standard at no extra charge to you. Which are you going to take and why?

  • B&O if they are a better speaker, i have yet to find out.

    Let's make another hypothetical - You are going to buy stock in a company, which do you choose?

    Or another hypothetical - You are going to cast a vote to which company should be awarderd the prize for furthering technology.

    I think you can't handle that I'm coparing one company that makes many things to one that specializes in somthing.

  • You're absolutely right, you're comparing one company that makes many things to one that specializes in something. So once again I have consulted a dictionary. What you're doing, by very definition, is not a comparison. That makes both of your hypotheticals irrelevant.

    So what now? We could compare Bose and B&Os HomeET equipment. We could even do so in terms of "innovation."

  • Also, it's no secret that plasma TVs are the best quality, cost the most but degrade over time. B&Os new BeoVisions 4 has a tiny built-in camera that checks the screen after every 100 hours, and adjusts the color balance accordingly. This allows the TV to last years longer than it potentially could, and years longer than the competition. So while Bose is making things that are not home entertainment related, B&O sticks to that, perfects it, and is doing some unseen things. Innovative, even

  • Sound proofing for nasa and the military is also audio related. The suspension is just amazing. Have you ever owned a bose system of any sort? home entertainment? Car audio? Computer audio? they are verrrryyyy goooodddd

  • My current car has a Bose system. And while I do enjoy the sounds it makes, very much so, I will not ever say it is better than B&O. So yes, it's very good. But not better.

    Regarding sound proofing, it is audio related but not relevant. The military chose Bose not because they're the best, but because they're practical and affordable. They don't need innovation, good design and incredible sound quality for nothing more than a radio. They need what works and can be mass produced.

  • I'm doubtful about your car.

    If you are trying to tell me bose is affordable you are a looney. That isn't why the military chose them. And NASA has one serious budget.

  • Lol I don't care if you believe me or not about my car, but a Bose system is not uncommon in a new car. Or a fairly new car. Buddy of mine has a Bose system in his 2003 Chevy Silverado. I'm not saying they're cheap, I think you've misinterpreted. My car (2008 Honda Accord) came with a Bose option. It did not come with a B&O option. New Audis come standard with Bose systems, and have the option of B&O systems for a lot more. That's because B&O is good stuff.

  • epic house

  • It stands clear with this video, that B&O delievers solutions in worldclass. Mindblowing music and presentation of their systems.

  • i want that

  • Bang & Olufsen!!!

  • who needs a home theatre system when you got it on your car the b&o speakers of my aston martin really rocks i bet its better than those that they put on audis

  • audis b and o , are the highest ranked speakers in the history of car audio. they out rank even the phantom.

    better luck next time.

    i think i read it in us weekly, or time.

    the phantom came third. and mark levinsons ls460 came second.

  • you are mistaken 100%.

    audi/B and O speakers outrank every other car stereo in the world.

    truth.

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  • im sure motor trend considered that. (the magazine was motor trend). i also happen to know; that there are different grades of ice power (pioneer uses them too). you should call B&O; and ask them- i will say ahead of time. I told you so.

    Merry Christmas Bro, stay safe.

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  • you dont have an aston martin

  • Astons use LINN audio.. Dumbass

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  • and then the Porsche pulls into the drive way....... sick house btw~

  • ok scuse me.BeO is the best

  • Oh yeah, and I'm guessing we really didn't go to the moon?

    Go listen to some Paradigm, Wilson, or B&Ws, and then tell me B&O's the best. If you still think they are, then you're a sucker for prestige names.

  • have to agree with Baconpie.

    although B&O highend speakers have some cools stats.

    But if you speak of realistic natural sound other product beats B&O

  • Yeah their Beolab 5 has 2500 watts, and everything (amp and sub) is built in, and for $20K, they really aren't bad for what's in them. If you want decent speakers that have everything together, then I'd say these are the way to go. Also, to me they're the coolest-looking speakers out there. But again, if you want true performance, especially for their price tag, there's speaker/sub/amp combos out there that beat the Lab5s.

    And, I do own the A8 earphones, which I'd say are pretty good for $165.

  • But, it's B&O's lower-end that's ridiculous. A 7.2 surround system with the Beolab 3 speakers, '2 subs, and '7-4 center, a Beosystem 3, and a Beocenter 2, would all be about $35K. For that money you could get Paradigm's Ref. Sig. floorstanders, surrounds, center, a JL Audio Gotham sub, Anthem's Statement amp and A/V processor, and a really nice Sony Blu-Ray player. This system would DESTROY the B&O system. But of course, it wouldn't look as cool, and buying B&O for that reason it justifiable.

  • OK, so I have a pretty good home theatre (Integra 10.5 Receiver + universal player + B&W CM6/CMC +sub). I also own a Beosound 9000 and Beolab 6000 speakers. B&O isn't the ultimate in fidelity, but they can fit in any room and don't require perfect placement to sound good. I actually prefer listening to the 6000s for a lot of music. BTW, B&O showrooms are worse than most - get a home demo to really hear what they can do. The Beolab 5s blew me away.

  • Yeah I know B&O showrooms are horrible. But, the Beolab 5s I heard were in a "theater" style room, so I'm sure it had good acoustics. Although they were quite impressive, I was more impressed by the, B&W Sig. Diamonds, the Wilson Maxxes, and even a pair of Paradigm Ref. Sig. S6s with Anthem components. Add a pair of JL Audio f113 Fathoms, or better yet a Gotham, (both of which have impressed me more than anything I've ever heard) to any of these systems, and you'd beat the subs in the Lab 5s.

  • The Beolab 5s were about the cleanest sounding speakers I've heard in a long time - but i like very neutral to slightly warm speakers. I don't like the top end B&Ws and have yet to find a pair of Paradigms i like. The Wilsons are nice but ugly as all get out and you need a huge room and perfect setup again to get the most out of them.

  • As for B&O's lower-ended speakers, I would expect speakers costing $3K+ to still be able to sound good in rooms with bad acoustics. I heard the 8000s and 3s, and both of them sounded cold and lifeless to me. Also, the Beolab 2 is a perfect example to show you don't always get what you pay for in the world of audio. It costs about $3K, and for the same price you can get a JL Audio 12 in. Fathom, which along with the 13 incher, is the best-reviewed sub ever. It completely blows the Beolab 2 away.

  • I don't know what it is about the showrooms that makes them sound so bad, but i agree they sound horrible there. I bought the 6000s only because i wanted something pretty for the living room (the Wilsons just wouldn't cut it). I got them home and was pleasantly surprised and they only sound better over time. The Beolab 2 isn't the best sub out there but it's a good match for the rest of the equipment and the type of listening a B&O client would normally get into.

  • Oh I'd agree with you there that Wilson speakers do look a little unsettling, especially for a living room. I see B&O's equipment as being great decor, which I think is perfectly justifiable. I'd never buy them though; speakers that I think sound good look more cosmetically attractive than speakers that don't.

    Have you ever checked out the JL Audio Fathom subr? It's taking the high-end sub market by storm. They are competing with subs costing 10x more (13 in. Fathom $3500, 12 in. $3K).