@Carlosrenti I actually like the option Busoni gave us (F or F#); you don't have to do the tierce de picardi (in the violin version it's just a D I think). You can choose major or minor depending on the mood you want the piece to end in.
"tierce de picardi" was called, the ending of a minor piece in the Major tonic. examples in Bach are plenty, 2nd prelude from the 1st book of Weltempered, Toccata and Fugue in D minor etc...
He puts the sharp (the F-sharp that makes the final chord in D major) in parenthesis so you can make it in D minor or D major. It is not really going against the score.
Busoni is an upstart for daring to transcribe a work of Bach. *pitchforks and rage* K jokes aside, this is a wonderful transcription, and while Hamelin is known for having relatively weak live v. studio performances they are both nonetheless quite amazing. Bravo.
Oh, I also have to state that saying baroque music is without emotion is such a folly when attempting to compare it to the classical/romantic trend. The two are like apples and oranges people. Take them for what they are they both taste good geez.
Anyone heard Ferruccio (Busoni) himself playing this? superb... also in this line, Busoni (acoustic recording) playing "Nun freut Euch" - along with one of his major pupils, Egon Petri playing other Bach transcriptions for solo piano - paragons of transparency and clear, sober expression. Exquisite.
As for M. Hamelin - I respect his ability tremendously, and am frequently less than enthusiastic about his interpretive approaches. His tone here, however, is often gorgeous. Nice.
beautiful rendition. How can people say its mechanical? Its filled with emotion and spirituality. This one is my favourite so far, although I like Grimaud's and Michelangeli's versions too. :)
No, the original ends in minor. but, a lot of Bach's works end with a tierce de picardie, like in the WTC. My teacher told me a minor ending is more appropriate bcs its like the original, but many play the minor bcs its commonplace in Bach's music.
hmmm, actually on the violin original, it ends on simply D-D (open string D and G-string D). the final note is not a chord. thus whether the original ends in major or minor is ambiguous.
Bach already writes the tierce de picardie somewhere in the middle of piece (ie, start of this "part 2") already so maybe that's why. As for it sounding mechanical to some, well it's not romantic era music. Typically, what held those long baroque era pieces together was a rock steady tempo.
perhaps, and the original only ends on a D, I checked, so its open to interpretation really. About the rock steady tempo, the thing is though that this is an interpretation by busoni, and that gives the pianist more freedom to add more romanticism to it. And I think Hammelin does that very well. :-)
When I played it, I ended in a minor chord. I think it fits much more to the power and general mood of the piece, wich is rather dramatical and even tragical. I just enjoyed the minor chord :))
Oh, come on. Pathetic, isn't it? :) you have to end the main theme in minor almost each time it occures in the piece - that is how it is written. It means Bach knew what it is like to end in minor, didn't he? Will it contradict Bach's intentions? the last chord is not the main problem you will encounter playing Chaconne... there's so many questions about Bach's intentions you will have to ask yourself and the last question would be about the minor or the major in the end, I believe
and that's where it would have been better to start from: this piece is not something that Bach actually wtote. It is a transcription. Had Busoni questioned Bach's intentions when he wrote it?
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I've listened to this again, and while it is a worthy interpretation I didn't care for the excessive slowness of the theme introducing the d major section.
To be honest I largely agree with him. I like some of Hamelin's playing, but this is extremely mechanical and uninteresting. I don't think a pianist should go crazy about trying to copy the violin original, but this simply doesn't have enough musical ideas going on. The original is a good place to start as any. Hamelin really skims the surface here.
This is an excellent performance and I greatly respect Marc-Andre Hamelin, but this didn't move me as much as some of the "amateur" ones here on YOUTUBE. But that is a matter of taste more than artistic critique.
Too bad the sound is so distorted and compressed. Hard to tell what the performance really sounded like. I think he makes it sound too easy. I miss the sense of struggle with intractable material that sets up the triumphant ending.
i don't always enjoy hamelin and as a general rule i'm wary of some of his stuff... i mean "more notes + speed = good musicianship" doesn't work, especially once you get by the difficulty of the pieces he often plays and try to enjoy them as you would more simple yet equally challenging (musically) pieces... but all of that aside, this performance does quite a bit to redeem him, so bravo, and thanks for posting it.
Shamefully, this is the first time I have heard this piece, but oh my WORD, I am blown away O_O Such a powerful piece, commanded very well by one of the finest Pianists about today - Stunning! Absolutely Beautiful! Thank you Tompilk for posting it.
Personally, I prefer the Kissin Recording above all others. I once listened to the Michalengeli recording but I was unimpressed. Perhaps my attitude would change if I listened to it again. It's been a long time, nearly 7 years now since I last played this monumental piece.
The whole point in the entire piece is right before the last page, with the arpeggios going up the keyboard, and the left hand going down. (After the tocotta section). Many pianists miss that point, and as a result the piece comes off less successfully.
If you haven't ever learned or played this piece, drop everything you are playing, and play this piece. It is terribly difficult, but in the end the effort is worth it. Playing this piece was some of the most fabulous experiences of my life.
you are so right about the last couple pages. michelangeli's playing of these last two pages is super-human. the way he builds to the climax and the explosion on those upward arpeggios is some of the greatest piano playing i have ever heard in my life. there are many good recordings(including this) but i am always dissapointed because no one quite matches michelangeli in that section. a true testing ground for this piece. and it IS rewarding to study. i agree with you 100%.
Great performance! Both precise and profound. Hamelin is really doing this masterpiece justice! This was actually the first piece ever played in concert on that particular piano, which Hamelin himself picked at the Hamburg Steinway factory for this concert hall. Can't think of a better way to set the tone for the instrument's life.
No. Unfortunately, I was not there, but this was well documented in the local papers here in Quebec (the Canadian province M-A Hamelin originates from). I did see him in concert four of five times though. Always supremely good!
If medicine ever comes up with a cure for death, I want this guy to get one of the first few doses. I don't want to lose him.
edjhennessy 4 months ago
Another great version of this piece is the one played by Alicia de Larrocha. I strongly recomend it
lisilisin 6 months ago
he ended the piece on minor cord. y?
Carlosrenti 11 months ago
@Carlosrenti I actually like the option Busoni gave us (F or F#); you don't have to do the tierce de picardi (in the violin version it's just a D I think). You can choose major or minor depending on the mood you want the piece to end in.
physphilmusic 10 months ago
1:32-1:53...he runs!!!!!!
..busoni wrote (1:32) 'poco a poco sempre più crescendo ed animando il tempo'...
vza77 1 year ago
@vza77 oohh shut the fuck up
32932800 1 year ago
@32932800 there's an interpretation problem. he runs in so much parts, listen petri michelangli (all the 3 recordings) and many others.
'marc, hurry up...the dinner is getting cold'
'oh dear, I'll be there in a second'
vza77 1 year ago
I've uploaded the HQ audio version of this! Please comment and rate :D
madlovba2 1 year ago
A pity he did not play the ossia in 5:40 to 5:56, which I think is musically more intact and technically more exciting than the non-ossia part.
iplongnin 1 year ago
@iplongnin Agreed...I love the ossia. :)
jojobanjo 1 year ago
"tierce de picardi" was called, the ending of a minor piece in the Major tonic. examples in Bach are plenty, 2nd prelude from the 1st book of Weltempered, Toccata and Fugue in D minor etc...
marcohorowitz8 2 years ago
He puts the sharp (the F-sharp that makes the final chord in D major) in parenthesis so you can make it in D minor or D major. It is not really going against the score.
morvensky 2 years ago 2
It seems very easy for him.
felix0911176727 2 years ago 7
astonishing performance. But I prefer Brahm's transcription of the Chaconne. Less sounds but more insight into the original piece
felipilloo1984 2 years ago
The best performance I have ever heard. Chapeau!
bibalozhok 2 years ago
Did you listen to Busoni's and Egon Petri's performances ?
TheVieuxchat 2 years ago
Absolument Extraordinaire cette inteprétation !!! la plus belle qui existe pour moi
TuUtur78 2 years ago
Busoni is an upstart for daring to transcribe a work of Bach. *pitchforks and rage* K jokes aside, this is a wonderful transcription, and while Hamelin is known for having relatively weak live v. studio performances they are both nonetheless quite amazing. Bravo.
Hellspire 2 years ago
Oh, I also have to state that saying baroque music is without emotion is such a folly when attempting to compare it to the classical/romantic trend. The two are like apples and oranges people. Take them for what they are they both taste good geez.
Hellspire 2 years ago 3
quite reminiscent of michelangeli's pacing.
formenlehre 3 years ago
Anyone heard Ferruccio (Busoni) himself playing this? superb... also in this line, Busoni (acoustic recording) playing "Nun freut Euch" - along with one of his major pupils, Egon Petri playing other Bach transcriptions for solo piano - paragons of transparency and clear, sober expression. Exquisite.
As for M. Hamelin - I respect his ability tremendously, and am frequently less than enthusiastic about his interpretive approaches. His tone here, however, is often gorgeous. Nice.
pastymorant 3 years ago
Would you be able to post a recording of Busoni's interpretation of the Ciaconna? I think that many of us would be up to hearing it as well.
JupiterIV 2 years ago
I'll see what I can do.
pastymorant 2 years ago
this was truly amazing - one doesn't need to say more, because words are not enough.
PercivalDumbledore 3 years ago
i think hamelin is the greatest vituoso of this time
P0L0K0P 3 years ago 15
beautiful rendition. How can people say its mechanical? Its filled with emotion and spirituality. This one is my favourite so far, although I like Grimaud's and Michelangeli's versions too. :)
Lucithen 3 years ago 4
Usually I don't like Hamelin's playing, but this one is surely exquisite and touching.
parazsdavid 3 years ago 2
whoa he ends on a minor chord im too used to ending on a major chord already. what do you guys think of that???
sexandthesuburbs 3 years ago
i think a minor chord's more fitting for the piece. does the original version for the violin end with a tierce de picardie?
ichiromo 3 years ago 3
No, the original ends in minor. but, a lot of Bach's works end with a tierce de picardie, like in the WTC. My teacher told me a minor ending is more appropriate bcs its like the original, but many play the minor bcs its commonplace in Bach's music.
Lucithen 3 years ago
i meant, *many play the major.
Lucithen 3 years ago
hmmm, actually on the violin original, it ends on simply D-D (open string D and G-string D). the final note is not a chord. thus whether the original ends in major or minor is ambiguous.
duhhh86 3 years ago 2
Bach already writes the tierce de picardie somewhere in the middle of piece (ie, start of this "part 2") already so maybe that's why. As for it sounding mechanical to some, well it's not romantic era music. Typically, what held those long baroque era pieces together was a rock steady tempo.
markus777 3 years ago
perhaps, and the original only ends on a D, I checked, so its open to interpretation really. About the rock steady tempo, the thing is though that this is an interpretation by busoni, and that gives the pianist more freedom to add more romanticism to it. And I think Hammelin does that very well. :-)
Lucithen 3 years ago
When I played it, I ended in a minor chord. I think it fits much more to the power and general mood of the piece, wich is rather dramatical and even tragical. I just enjoyed the minor chord :))
brotighan 3 years ago
Hi....it's a nice idea...but are you questioning the intentions of Bach in his own masterpiece by doing this? ...
taiwan886 2 years ago
Oh, come on. Pathetic, isn't it? :) you have to end the main theme in minor almost each time it occures in the piece - that is how it is written. It means Bach knew what it is like to end in minor, didn't he? Will it contradict Bach's intentions? the last chord is not the main problem you will encounter playing Chaconne... there's so many questions about Bach's intentions you will have to ask yourself and the last question would be about the minor or the major in the end, I believe
brotighan 2 years ago
sorry, there ARE many questions
brotighan 2 years ago
and that's where it would have been better to start from: this piece is not something that Bach actually wtote. It is a transcription. Had Busoni questioned Bach's intentions when he wrote it?
brotighan 2 years ago
Minor ALL the way.
LisztianGR 2 years ago 2
The sound was quite poorly recorded, but it certainly gave it the feeling of an organ performance.
ffurgy 3 years ago 3
I like it
CalistratBibescu 3 years ago
...I'm awe-struck. This is pure ecstasy.
pgtramont 3 years ago 3
Dear Tompik i totally agree... Mr Hamelin is a fantastic pianist as well as a great musician !!! I like him a lot. Wishes from italy, Como Lake
ilovescarlatti 3 years ago
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I've listened to this again, and while it is a worthy interpretation I didn't care for the excessive slowness of the theme introducing the d major section.
GeorgeMaxwellDuPre 3 years ago
To be honest I largely agree with him. I like some of Hamelin's playing, but this is extremely mechanical and uninteresting. I don't think a pianist should go crazy about trying to copy the violin original, but this simply doesn't have enough musical ideas going on. The original is a good place to start as any. Hamelin really skims the surface here.
cziffra1980 3 years ago
I agree. While the playing technically sound, there is no sense of urgency. Dynamically, I think it is rather lacking gas well.
evolve749 3 years ago
The piano's just great!!!
FrankieSprs 3 years ago
This is an excellent performance and I greatly respect Marc-Andre Hamelin, but this didn't move me as much as some of the "amateur" ones here on YOUTUBE. But that is a matter of taste more than artistic critique.
GeorgeMaxwellDuPre 4 years ago
Too bad the sound is so distorted and compressed. Hard to tell what the performance really sounded like. I think he makes it sound too easy. I miss the sense of struggle with intractable material that sets up the triumphant ending.
killersax 4 years ago 2
Great performance! Passionate and with an inner fire, love it!
Enerkhan 4 years ago
i don't always enjoy hamelin and as a general rule i'm wary of some of his stuff... i mean "more notes + speed = good musicianship" doesn't work, especially once you get by the difficulty of the pieces he often plays and try to enjoy them as you would more simple yet equally challenging (musically) pieces... but all of that aside, this performance does quite a bit to redeem him, so bravo, and thanks for posting it.
jiolsmolimassunemo 4 years ago
Shamefully, this is the first time I have heard this piece, but oh my WORD, I am blown away O_O Such a powerful piece, commanded very well by one of the finest Pianists about today - Stunning! Absolutely Beautiful! Thank you Tompilk for posting it.
RuroJiruries 4 years ago
The geatest performance of this piece is by Michelangeli.
pvonberg 4 years ago 3
also - jorge bolet's carnegie hall recording of this piece is likely the best i've heard... but i am always interested in hearing more...
jiolsmolimassunemo 4 years ago 3
Personally, I prefer the Kissin Recording above all others. I once listened to the Michalengeli recording but I was unimpressed. Perhaps my attitude would change if I listened to it again. It's been a long time, nearly 7 years now since I last played this monumental piece.
maxscriptguru 3 years ago
thanks for sharing, tom!
I think I prefer Kun Woo Paik's interpretation more though.
donjuan9012 4 years ago
for me interpretation is boring
orpheus63 4 years ago
have you studied the piece?
filthysoap 4 years ago
The whole point in the entire piece is right before the last page, with the arpeggios going up the keyboard, and the left hand going down. (After the tocotta section). Many pianists miss that point, and as a result the piece comes off less successfully.
If you haven't ever learned or played this piece, drop everything you are playing, and play this piece. It is terribly difficult, but in the end the effort is worth it. Playing this piece was some of the most fabulous experiences of my life.
maxscriptguru 4 years ago 2
you are so right about the last couple pages. michelangeli's playing of these last two pages is super-human. the way he builds to the climax and the explosion on those upward arpeggios is some of the greatest piano playing i have ever heard in my life. there are many good recordings(including this) but i am always dissapointed because no one quite matches michelangeli in that section. a true testing ground for this piece. and it IS rewarding to study. i agree with you 100%.
brianCIM 3 years ago 2
to be expected from the best living pianist!!!
terryregnar 4 years ago 2
Great performance! Both precise and profound. Hamelin is really doing this masterpiece justice! This was actually the first piece ever played in concert on that particular piano, which Hamelin himself picked at the Hamburg Steinway factory for this concert hall. Can't think of a better way to set the tone for the instrument's life.
Bordcla 4 years ago 2
were you there at the concert? or do you know him?
I agree - it's stupendous performance. and a stupendous piece.
tompilk 4 years ago
No. Unfortunately, I was not there, but this was well documented in the local papers here in Quebec (the Canadian province M-A Hamelin originates from). I did see him in concert four of five times though. Always supremely good!
Bordcla 4 years ago
this performance is absolutely tremendous!!!
daeviydt 4 years ago