Obama Repeats False Claim Abortions Haven't Declined Under Bush / Pro-Life Anti-Abortion Video

[ShredWithEd]

Steven Hawking's has a wife?

[christinechafe]

Abortion IS murder! God created life!

[drugwhore]

Anti-Abortion but pro war wow

[garrettholmes]

lets abort obama lead by example

[garrettholmes]

lets abort obama lead by example

[garrettholmes]

lets abort obama

[rockygreenmountains]

Hmmmm. Hello......who is the President NOW???? Let it o; it's on your clock....tic tic tic

[MaHaRushie]

Thanks for setting the record straight.

I didn't agree with Bush on a lot of things. But he did some good things in defense of life.

Let's at least keep obama at bay for another 3.5 years. then maybe get another good pro-life president in there.

[MargaritaR1314]

obama is a lying fraud! listen to the crap coming out of his mouth! they r like dog crap coated in honey and making it sound good...it is MURDER! hell no is the abortion rate low! every year there r at least 10 million abortions!

[floydianworld]

"hell no is the abortion rate low! every year there r at least 10 million abortions!"

That is the TRUTH!

[Mesheekah]

If RePubs are so against abortion WHY haven't they done anyting about it?? They had 8 years! No one likes abortion. U R right the abortion rate has only decreased a little BUT WHAT ABOUT all the babies that are ALIVE We have the highest INFANT MORTATLITY RATE there is only one country under us. 2 million NEWBORNS DIE EVERY YEAR w/ in the first 24 hours of birth from poverty & not having health care-that is something we can work together on & make a difference. they use abortion to divide us

[MaHaRushie]

I don't buy your 2 million per year statistic. Its bogus.

Your trying to use Pro-lifer's concern for human life to support a socialist policy. Very low.

[GlobalWarmingNotReal]

it's scary how honest obama looks and sounds when he lies. he's a pro...not good.

[LetsThinkStraight]

Just noticed that some people early on talked about 3rd party candidates such as

Ron Paul. While he or others may be good people, even good politicians, THEY WILL NOT WIN.

We have been a nation for over 230 years, and for over 150, the president has been Republican or Democrat.

There are times to take a stand, but this isn't it. All you do is water down the conservative vote.

A 3RD PARTY VOTE IS A VOTE FOR AN OBAMANATION!

God raised up McCain-Palin for 2008!

Stand for life.

[andrewh23]

If god raised up McCain-Palin 2008, how did they lose so utterly and completely. It wasn't even close. I think god could have picked a smarter woman with more experience or a man with a less creepy, disingenuous smile.

[LetsThinkStraight]

For years, the Democrat platform has been one of pro-choice; let's call it what it is, pro-murder.

The Republican platform is strongly pro-life.

As long as there is one Democrat in office, they will be fighting for killing babies. Once something becomes law (Roe v Wade), it's almost impossible to overturn it. But with a Repulican president and congress, something meaningful could be done.

As a Christian, I believe that God holds me accountable for my vote.

McCain-Palin "4 LIFE"

[Sweetlove391]

I can't agree with you more. Even though McCain didn't win I was accountable for voting for righteousness and I am proud of my decision. God Bless you friend. You are on the right track.

[LetsThinkStraight]

Obama wrongly claims that nothing changes with a prolife president. Consumed with a major war on terrorism for almost all of his 2 terms, Pres Bush was able to overturn the partial birth abortion bill. Most of us can't conceive how paganistic this procedure is; to wait until the baby is being delivered, then hold it in the birth canal, puncture the skull and suck out the brains! How has America sunk so low? Clinton vetoed overturning the bill twice. BO voted 3 times to withhold aid to survivors.

[JPPT1974]

Well glad that abortions are now low. Remember after the Roe Vs Wade thing that they were at it's highest in the late seventies and eighties?!

[slim29205]

Bush waits until they grow up then kills them.

[LivingGodsWay]

In 2002, Obama was the only one that voted against providing aide to abortion survivors. Now he calls anyone who quotes him a "liar". Search YouTube video for "watch?v=ttF8s5XGVDw"

How do you properly describe a lawmaker who would condemn the child survivor of an abortion by permitting doctors to refuse that child, once born alive, potentially life-saving medical treatment and nutrition?

A number of things come to mind. Mr. President isn't one of them.

McCain-Palin "COUNTRY FIRST"

[whitedane]

Not only would he promote docters to refuse medical care to those poor children, he would bann it. He has stated he wouldn't wish to put undue stress on the woman by questioning her first choice, killing her child. Docters would not be able to help, even if they wished. That is disturbing and sad.

[auritone]

Hmm, as far as I can gather the number of abortions are down, but sales of "the morning after pill" has doubled since it was made available without prescription...

So maybe - when you add the numbers - abortions are factually up....

[bob36401]

To- Matisaro:"the numbers do not add up, why do you religious people feel the need to lie to us?"

Look the numbers up for yourself, I have, they DO add up!

I might ask the question," Why do you LIBERALS continue the murdering of the unborn child? You want to allow the killing of a child in the womb, then pass laws to keep parents

from just spanking them. You continue to show how warped your thinking is. REMEMBER: We MUST save the wales, but KILL the unborn child......wow!

[denteenice16]

Yes. That is what I have been waiting to hear. Good Answer

[bbad1929]

I'd rather abort a baby now than have him/her sent to die in an unnecessary war created by an ignorant and arrogant president.

[DevotionToMary]

that is very very sad thing to hear.

[BOBCATl978]

this is a good video to ilistrate the murders in ths country pro life!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Matisaro]

the numbers do not add up, why do you religious people feel the need to lie to us?

[ckerton1]

I stopped watching when you saw graph at the beggining. How can pregnancy rate be that high, abortions low, and birth rate low. They don't match up it means theres been a dramatic increase in faetus deaths during pregnancy. Don't believe this rubbish.

[CRoadwarrior]

It is sad that Obama blindly accepts the false claim that abortions have not gone done during Bush's terms. It's even sader that people MAKE the false claim when it can be easily checked.

[wubbawubbawubba]

Thank you, George W for supporting what is right. Obama should be held to account for such a blatant lie, but, of course, this will not happen. Obama is not just an empty suit, he is a bought suit and he has no moral convictions because he is utterly devoid of character. May his lies bury him.

[CPAsheldon]

Hannity and Colms had a good piece on this tonight.

[rosaryfilms]

CPAsheldon, thank you for the info! Regards...

[DevotionToMary]

i hope and pray we dont get a democrat into office. this is such a scary thought. thank you george bush for helping to save the lives of so many babies.

[Jenn807]

How many soldiers and Iraqi civilians have died for every one of those babies? Is it right to praise Bush for anything when no matter how you spin it, he is partially responsible for the deaths of thousands of people? I'm 100% against abortion, but I'd rather have a pro-choice president than an incompetent pro-war president whose policies directly conflict with the U.S. Constitution and basic human rights.

[crystalfire808]

What does a military do?

Any definition of "military" has to do with war. Look it up. Joining the military means potentially going to war, whether you like it or not. Bush did not enact a draft. So it's their CHOICE (for pro-choice people) to go to war. I don't want to go to war, so I won't join the military. Therefore, I won't die in Iraq.

I'm not against pre-marital sex, and I don't think abortion is wrong 100% of the time. I'm against inconsistencies, selfishness and irresponsibility.

[Jenn807]

If joining the military were only about the choice between war and peace, your comment would make a lot more sense and our military would be a whole lot smaller. There are numerous things that attract people to military service. If it wasnt made attractive somehow, who would join? Obviously people still have a choice, but the unfair thing about it is that the benefits of military service appeal disproportionately to low-income young people.

[whitedane]

How is it unfair? The military isnt always at war(although since 9/11 and Iraq ppl joining the military is at its highest in history). They do give good educations, they wnat smart ppl in the military, and yes, everyone who joins knows exactly what they may do and what might happen to them. The military is VERY clear on that. Those who sign up know and accept what they are doing. For you to try to say they were tricked by benifits for low-income takes away from the sacrifice those ppl give.

[LetsThinkStraight]

whitedane

Right on. The ones being tricked are the Obama drones who are being tricked out of their votes. They can't see how much he has harmed the country as a senator. They won't let themselves think about his part in the Freddie/Fannnie economic problems we are facing; why he socializes with terrorists, muslims, communists, etc.; why he wont produce a valid birth certificate; why both colleges are hiding his transcripts; why a muslim got him into college, preparing him to be pres. SCARY!

[Jenn807]

Any institution that promises to pay for college in a world of ever rising tuition costs, along with all the sign on bonuses and salary increases that have been added in the past few years, is going to draw people no matter what the costs. I dont know what type of family you come from, but mine is very poor, and I know very well how the promise of high wages can draw people to dangerous occupations like flies to a bug light.

[whitedane]

If you dont want to join the military, dont. So you were poor, I bet you wanted a good education, did you join the miliary? No, so why do you think those who join dont really want to? Ppl become underwater welders, very dangerous, ppl choose many occupations, you know nothing about the military, your just repeating left montra. Noon is forced into military service. No draft anymore. Stop trying to minimize what these ppl do for us.

[Jenn807]

Ex: that high paid coal mining job, might sound good to my cousin now, but thats only because the money is enough to temporarily ease his anxieties about the inevitability of black lung. College money and sign on bonuses have lured several young men from my graduating class to their deaths in Iraq too. Add the perks to the fact that the media & Bush Administration so glorified the war and demonized Muslims and Iraq, and we get a great big misinformed public to draw new recruits from.

[Jenn807]

The idea of making all that money WHILE fighting for freedom is pretty hard for some to resist. Its sad how many have died thinking they were fighting for a cause more worthy than filling the bank accounts of oil executives.

[Jenn807]

One other thing...Who said anything about premarital sex? And its unclear whose inconsistencies, selfishness and irresponsibility you are talking about. Im not against pre-marital sex, Im just against people having sex irresponsibly (unprotected and unready to accept the possible consequences) and then selfishly using abortion as a quick fix. Abortion is unnecessary. Dont want a baby? Dont make one.

[Jenn807]

And because I can see this coming from one person or another: It is impossible for me to include cases of rape and mothers with high risk pregnancies into my views on abortion. These are special circumstances that need to be evaluated on a case by case basis and there is cut and dry, right or wrong judgment to be made about them in general.

[Jenn807]

Typo. I meant "no cut and dry, right or wrong judgment to be made..."

[Jenn807]

George Bush is a war criminal and he's guilty of treason. Yes, TREASON. Look it up, read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and get a little bit of your news and history from a source other than FOX.

[DevotionToMary]

you need to chill. first off, i am not ignorant. 4000 babies die a day in america due to abortion, not including chemical abortions. second, i know about the war, my husband deploys to iraq. third, you cant say you are against abortion then vote for a president who supports infanticide. and fourth, i dont even have fox. keep watching your political bias tv and let them poisen your brain. you are brainwashed. just like the rest are. this is sad. all the poor billions of babies who have died.

[Jenn807]

DevotionToMary, my response to you is going to take about 13 posts, if YouTube will allow that much.

[Jenn807]

1/13 I'm not going to chill and I don't think you should have to either. We both have slightly differing opinions and it's our right to voice them. I will ask you where you got your statistics though, not because I doubt there is an actual source but because I am curious.

[Jenn807]

2/13 And yes I can say I am against abortion without voting for a pro-life president because I have a different set of priorities. I vote for what's important to me and you can do the same, but what's most important to me this election is restoring human rights and putting a little power back in the hands of the people, if that's even possible.

[Jenn807]

3/13 I still think abortion is wrong in all but the most extreme cases (like when pregnancy is life threatening to the mother), but realistically I know that abortions will keep happening despite what I or government regulations say. Attacking and lecturing people who want the right to choose is not going to strengthen our case at all. It just pisses people off. The most effective and least combative path is for one to rely on reason alone and leave the Bible at home.

[DevotionToMary]

i didnt throw the first punch here. i made a comment on how grateful i am to bush for helping to save some innocent babies. then you insulted my intelligence. so i defended my stance.

[Jenn807]

It was never about throwing punches. I saw a statement that most people would consider biased and I responded accordingly. Im not very good at keeping my mouth shut when something bothers me, as Im sure youve noticed. (1/2)

[Jenn807]

Sure, I could have been a bit nicer about it, but your comment seemed so ludicrous to me that it sort of tipped me over the edge. Now after some discussion I understand you a bit better and Im trying to be more respectful, but my reactions will continue to correspond directly to your tone and to the intentions of your argument, as best as I can judge it through text alone. 2/2

[DevotionToMary]

and please dont make the assumption that only christians think abortion is wrong. there are atheists who KNOW that abortion is corrupt and inhumane. there are atheists who are intelligent and dont eat up all the lies. i know some.

[Jenn807]

I dont think any reasonably open-minded person makes that assumption. The Bible comment was just my advice to all Christian pro-lifers from my own experience. It was not an accusation that you have been preaching at people, which I dont know about you for sure, but simply a warning that its a very poor way to get ones point across. 1/2

[Jenn807]

Its also plain to see that youre a practicing Catholic, and though I have no physical proof that you resort to Bible-thumping to make your point, its fairly safe to assume its at least a possibility. 2/2

[Jenn807]

4/13 auritone makes a good point about the morning after pill. Office abortions may have gone down, but you can safely bet that unwanted pregnancies have not. Women are going to get rid of those babies one way or another, and though the Bush Administration may have made one type of abortion more difficult, I doubt that the overall occurrence has lessened.

[Jenn807]

5/13 I was not questioning your preference of a pro-life president, but I was asserting that your assumption that a Republican will be better than a Democrat is ignorant. I hold to that argument, and though I think that Democrats and Republicans are just different sides of the same coin, here are a few reasons (all having to do with abortion and children, since that seems to be your main issue) why Republicans won't do any better:

[DevotionToMary]

i never said that republicans were guilt free. now one is perfect. its called the lesser of two evils.

[Jenn807]

But there are more than 2 choices. Ralph Nader is running Independent & Cynthia McKinney is the Green Party candidate. You said youd gladly vote for Ron Paul, and Id argue that of those left in the race, Nader & McKinney are the most similar to him. You might disagree, but if you dont know much about them please check both out before making a final decision. Many who truly prefer another candidate have settled for Obama or McCain instead because they assume the others have no chance. 1/4

[Jenn807]

I dont buy that argument because if its true that the others have no chance, its the fault of the voters who dont have enough backbone to put their votes where their hearts are. One may think that choosing the lesser of two evils between Democrat and Republican is the only choice, but I say that anyone who settles for a man they know to be a poor choice should also feel responsible for the mistakes he inevitably makes in office. If you dont like someone, dont help him win. 2/4

[Jenn807]

Those people betray themselves & the citizens who vote by issue over speculation. People who voted for Bush thinking he was slightly less evil than Gore or Kerry, how often must they consider how wrong they were? We shouldnt be forced to choose between two evils, ever! Theres no reason why we shouldnt have a long list of honest people in line for the presidency, aside from the fact that our corrupt money-governed system keeps them out while pushing their cronies to the top. 3/4

[Jenn807]

Nothing ever changes until the people finally decide enough is enough, so by all means, write in the candidate you really support. We should never have to sell out like that because we feel powerless to change things. I support neither Obama nor McCain, and though one of them will likely win, I will not give either one my vote and be forced to share the burden of their mistakes. How do peoples consciences allow them to do this? 4/4

[Jenn807]

6/13 Reason #1: John McCain is not only a warmonger who makes no secret if his plans to stay in Iraq, he does not even have a history of being pro-choice. He's merely changed his tune now in order to please the far right Republican base, and this pandering is one reason behind his choice of Sarah Palin as VP. I'm definitely not the only one who thinks that, either.

[DevotionToMary]

i know this about mccain. he is a shady character. but not as destructive as obama. again, lesser of two evils. my orginal comment wasnt even about mccain, it was about bush.

[Jenn807]

I only brought McCain up because I feel that a vote for him would be a huge mistake and not at all one that even matches up with your pro-life views. Your original comment also appeared to be completely anti-Democrat, and from that I deduced that youd be voting Republican for no other reason than your hatred for the Democratic party.

[Jenn807]

7/13 Reason #2: In his interview at Saddleback Church, John McCain said that he would like to give $7,000 tax refunds for every child. Sounds good until you think about the consequences. If such a thing is ever passed it will result in a trailer park baby boom. Abortions might go down, but when poor families start reproducing for income rather than for a desire and a love for children, what kind of lives do you think those kids will have? Without that check they'd be totally unwanted.

[Jenn807]

8/13 Reason #2 pt. 2: They won't be individual blessings to their parents, but necessary burdens that must be endured in order to get that government check. My job is in social work and I see this every day WITHOUT the $7,000 bribe. Abortion is sad, but so are abused and neglected children, and when government incentives cause the size of the family to balloon out of control, even good intentioned parents might end up neglecting their kids because there are just too many of them.

[DevotionToMary]

ahhh, this explains sooo much. you cant be pro-choice. there is no such thing. you are pro-life of pro-abortion. there is no gray. this comment says it all.

[Jenn807]

Its just a word game. If you want to be technical, I suppose the most proper way of putting it would be pro-abortion, anti-abortion. Both pro-life and pro-choice are terms the respective groups use to make their stance sound more appealing. Call either what you want, it doesnt change their definitions. Both stances exist, nothing gray about it, and Im attempting to give the pro-choice view the same respect I demand for mine. Its the only way I can expect them to listen. 1/4

[Jenn807]

All that my word choice explains about me is that I have taken the time to investigate the opposite argument and that, despite the fact that I remain pro-life, I respect their rights to hold their own opinion and to be treated with the same respect I demand in discussion. If one of them called me anti-rights Id be pretty pissed, because rights and liberty are the causes I feel are most worth fighting for. In the case of abortion, they simply see rights in a different light than I do. 2/4

[Jenn807]

I see the babys right to life and they see the mothers right to choose. I also see the mothers right AND responsibility to think hard before having sex about her readiness to bear the possible consequences, and if she cannot deal with motherhood and isnt responsible enough to use adequate protection, then I say she has no business having sex and both parents should be forced to bear the responsibilities of their decisions. 3/4

[Jenn807]

Your word choice, on the other hand, shows that you are so fanatical about your cause that you are incapable of reasonable discussion with a pro-choicer. Being a fanatic in itself is not a bad thing. It just means you have very strong convictions about something, and this is a cause thats worth it. In some cases it can hurt your ability to argue though. Im guilty of it too, but no one wants to hear Im right, youre wrong. Period. Little gets accomplished that way. 4/4

[Jenn807]

9/13 Reason #3: The Bush Administration wants the definition of abortion to include birth control. I've heard that birth control taken during pregnancy can cause complications or miscarriage, but I've never looked it up and don't know it to be true. Either way, denying millions of people access to birth control would cause the number of unwanted pregnancies (and therefore the number of abortions) to skyrocket. If Bush is aiming to reduce the number of abortions, his tactics are self-defeating.

[DevotionToMary]

birth control is an abortifacient, yes indeed. it will kill a baby. it works as a double barrier, if it cant stop the egg from meeting the sperm and conception occurs than it will allow the baby to starve to death by inhibiting implantation into the uterus. it does this buy creating a thick mucus around the uterus. women who contracept could of had many abortions and not even know it. the sickest, most saddest medical lie is contraceptives.

[Jenn807]

My mother got pregnant with my sister while on birth control and so have several of my friends, and they all continued taking the pill for several months before realizing they were pregnant. All their babies are fine. It seems better to have a few blocked implantations than a huge new mess of abortions as a result of unwanted pregnancies that might have been prevented to begin with. 1/3

[Jenn807]

You talked about the lesser of two evils, and I thought the choice here would be clear: Birth control doesnt always end in abortion, but the result of abortion is always the same. It seems the pro-lifer must favor the choice that results in fewer dead babies, because the best option (complete abstinence among those who dont want children) is never going to happen. 2/3

[Jenn807]

Id promote continued availability of birth control while encouraging people to choose condoms. Allowing condoms alone & banning birth control cant be an option b/c the decreased sensitivity, for some, is a deal breaker, and theyd rather resort to unprotected sex. I believe people ought to have the willpower to use protection & take responsibility for their actions, but I also think people are naturally weak-natured and selfish and itd take a real miracle for that to change. 3/3

[DevotionToMary]

please do your homework on contraceptives.

[Jenn807]

I see no need. The best choice is clear. Not all women who take birth control unwittingly abort their babies, but all abortions end in abortion. A world without birth control would have more unwanted pregnancies, which would lead to more intentional abortions.

[Jenn807]

10/13 You may not get FOX at home, but you do have access to YouTube, and the very video we are commenting on is from FOX. That doesn't prove that you're a FOX junkie though, and this is one case where I am happy to be wrong. It would be naive to think of any network as trustworthy and neutral, but it's well documented that FOX is crap and I'm very glad to see you're not one who watches that and nothing else.

[Jenn807]

11/13 Looks like we both made assumptions about each other. I am not brainwashes, and I don't get my news from tv alone. I do my own research, getting more than one side of the story. What you perceive as my brainwashed thoughts are the actual conclusions I've come to after much consideration.

[DevotionToMary]

ok then.

[Jenn807]

12/13 I apologize if I labeled you wrong, but you must understand that when I see a person against any Democrat taking office for no reason other than that he is a Democrat, that sets off a red flag in my head with the words POLITICAL BIAS on it. I hope you are not, as you claim, but you must see how your original comment shows otherwise.

[DevotionToMary]

the democratic party stands for nothing that it did years ago. they are moving toward a socialist nation, this is not something i support. the democratic party as it stands is something i reject. their ideals, there beliefs, and their movements are everything that i stand against.

[Jenn807]

Fair enough. While I dont altogether reject or accept either socialism or capitalism, I certainly cant defend Democrats any more than I can defend Republicans. Thank you for giving a reason for not liking them, and I agree with you. Its important that we tell the reasons behind our beliefs and it should help to avoid further misunderstandings.

[Jenn807]

13/13 I also saw bias in the fact that in your original comment you seemed to overlook all the terrible things Bush has done simply because the abortion rate has gone down during his term. One right can't erase all those wrongs, ever.

[DevotionToMary]

obama does not intend on leaving iraq anytime soon. i never said bush was perfect. who knows what his agenda is. you have to understand, it may not even be his agenda. let me ask you one question. keep in mind i am not pro-war. i want my husband to never have to leave to go to that scary place. but, anyway. how did you fell after 911?

[Jenn807]

I don't think Obama will get us out of Iraq either, but it seems there's more of a chance of him doing it than McCain since McCain openly admits he wants to stay there. Neither is worth voting for if you ask me. I'm not sure what you're aiming at with the 911 question, but here goes: I first felt shocked that it could happen. I was in high school at the time and didn't keep up much with politics, so I didn't think about the reasons behind the attacks right away. 1/3

[Jenn807]

Then when I found out that it was Muslim extremists who had been responsible for the attacks, the first thing that came to mind was "Please don't let history repeat itself. Don't let us treat Middle Easterners like we treated the Japanese during WWII." 2/3

[Jenn807]

But sure enough, they became marginalized in much the same way. Yes, I had that warm fuzzy feeling like everyone else did when I saw people working together immediately after the attack, but when I saw the stereotyping of Middle Easterners it sort of ruined it all for me. 3/3

[DevotionToMary]

feel, oops. How did you feel after that tragedy?

[DevotionToMary]

once you answer that, then i want to ask you... How do you feel now?

[Jenn807]

I could write a book here, but I'm going to sum it up. I feel OUTRAGED now that our government has used this tragedy to justify an aggressive war against a nation that was no threat to us. I am OUTRAGED that this tragedy has been used to redefine words like freedom and patriotism. Apparently the people who are against corrupt government and have the nerve to speak up against the wrongs being done in their country are no longer patriots. 1/6

[Jenn807]

That's always been the definition of a patriot throughout our entire history, but no more. No more Constitution or Bill of Rights or liberty. And now freedom fighters are not considered to be those who hold their governments accountable, but they're the ones who parrot government lies back at the old patriots and the ones who blindly support every policy and military move the U.S. makes. They do this out of misguided PRIDE, not patriotism. 2/6

[Jenn807]

And pride in what? Pride in being sheep? Pride in the Oligarchy in Democracy's clothing? Fascism also applies. I see nothing to be proud of here. I am not proud that my nation lies to me. I am not proud that my nation is imperialistic. I am not proud that my nation suppresses dissent. I am not proud that the people have lost their power to big business. Bow down to the dollar, America. It is your monarch now. 3/6

[Jenn807]

The only way I can still call myself an American is because I do have pride in American principles and I believe in them more than anything. What we have here now is not America, and we've never truly had a nation that can live up to it. America has always been an ideal, and as long as people keep fighting to achieve that ideal, America will still exist with them. 4/6

[Jenn807]

My final outrage is against those who can't see any of this. These questions must be asked: What was missing in their upbringing that left them without any knowledge of history? What were they taught in school and by their parents? Who taught them that democracy meant shutting up and doing what you're told? 5/6

[Jenn807]

Who taught them never to question authority? Who taught them that there was nothing noble in life worth fighting for and that the best thing they could hope to achieve was to life their lives silently, hoping things will work out for the best and waiting for someone else to take care of things for them? WHO TAUGHT THEM THEY WERE POWERLESS? Because whoever their teachers were, they were NOT Americans. 6/6

[DevotionToMary]

wow! well, you had a lot to say. i hope you have a good sunday. take care.

[DevotionToMary]

by the way, i noticed your MLK quote on your page. do you know that MLK's niece, Dr. Alveda King, is a huge pro life figure? she is the pastoral associate of priests for life and coordinator of their African American outreach program. Priests for life is one one of the largest, mabye the largest pro life organizations in america. MLK would have been ashamed to see his race being slowly killed off from abortion. he would not have supported this genocide.

[Jenn807]

Killed off seems a bit extreme. I see no evidence that black people are going extinct. Anyway, the death of any baby, no matter the race, is a very sad thing. King fought for human rights, not just for black rights, and I'm sure you know. I agree he would have found abortion to be despicable, but if he were here today, abortion would be only one thing on a very long list of human rights abuses to deal with.

[DevotionToMary]

"our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." very fitting quote for this discussion. African American lives are ending by the numbers, due to abortion. (the highest abortion rate) because our nation is being silent about the evil of abortion. this matters. very much so.

[Jenn807]

Of course it matters, but right now I wish abortion was the only human rights concern left to deal with. It seems impossible to only fight for one cause at a time, and MLK also said Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We have to fight for all rights to accomplish this goal, and I think its hard for most who believe in human rights to argue that unborn babies have none.

[DevotionToMary]

btw, i would support ron paul, would vote for him. absolutely. he has delivered like a few thousand babies, and has never had to perform and abortion due to complications. i agree with taking away some of the governmental power and giving is back to the states. that was the original plan for america.

[Jenn807]

Ron Paul is awesome, and the only explanation I can come up with to tell me why he did not get the Republican nomination and Dennis Kucinich did not get the Democratic nomination is that its decided before we even go to the polls. Its no coincidence that Kucinich was locked out of debates or that Ron Paul supporters were not permitted to take signs/buttons, or anything else anti-McCain into the RNC.

[Jenn807]

I think it's exceptionally ignorant to think a Democrat will do any worse than a Republican, but it's also naive for anyone else to be so sure a Democrat will be our savior. They're all politicians, and they're generally out for themselves. It's up to the people to make a change, as it always has been.

[WaffleBakingStar]

Bush is the most unpopular president in modern history.

But then again, he was a man of his word. He didn't "flip-flop" any minute of the day.

More importantly, abortion kills more babies than Iraq has. And Iraq can be justified, killing children before birth can't.

[dombatts]

Bush i respect you and always will . Those that have decried you in my part of the World have always done so indeed did so well in advance of your Inauguration. They were never going to alter their antipathy . You made some difficult decisions and did not waver in your resolve.

[CPAsheldon]

Repeating false claims only indicates that Obama would only give us misleadership and dissappoint many should he ever get the revered office of President of our country. Let's not let him get away with false claims. Hold him accountable as you do our other public servants.

[Jenn807]

I agree he should be held accountable if the statement is false, but what other public servants do you mean? All that comes to my mind is how Clinton was held accountable for a blow job. Seems harmless enough to me compared with Bush's crimes. In fact, it seems the only thing the media is good at exposing about politicians is their sexual sins, and even then it's generally brought up by the opposing party during election time. It's not done out of a desire to see justice done, unfortunately.

[prepeesee]

Jenn You seem like a decent person but do you really think it was about a Blow Job? You don't think that a sitting president manipulating an affidavit is way out of bounds? Obstructing justice is what he was charged with... that and bad taste in women.

[Jenn807]

I agree that a president interfering with justice or breaking the law is never a laughing matter, but my point was that his crime cannot in any way compare to Bush's crimes. Sure, adultery is a bad thing, and a president lying (about anything) is an even worse thing because of the responsibility and importance of his position. I'm not saying hearings against Clinton were or weren't justified, just that if we could hold him responsible for his actions then we damned well aught to do the same now.

[prepeesee]

But don't you see you have been sucked in by the media's self described position? He did not go to a Grand Jury and lie as many people assert.What he did was insert himself (no pun intended) and his power into an affidavit causing a witness to lie to the Grand Jury. If you don't think that is a High Crime or Misdemeanor then I dare you to go and try it yourself. I will visit you in prison. As I said earlier look at it again and remove the names and the bj. Then ask if it was criminal or not.

[Jenn807]

How can I make this any clearer? I DO believe what Clinton did was wrong, I just happen to think that what Bush has done is worse. I don't have to ask if it was criminal or not because it clearly was, but don't you distinguish between certain crimes? Would you judge a shoplifter as severely as you would judge a batterer? A thief as severely as a rapist? I really don't see where we are in disagreement here unless you think Bush hasn't done anything wrong, and you've said nothing like that so far.