Uni's prefer AP because IB is underrated (for now). Also, a statistic says that IB students in all unis all around the world have higher averages than any other student... still don't understand why IB is not rated well though...
The CAS also is a REQUIREMENT unlike AP. Your SCHOOL might be 'awarded' for it community service, but all of our STUDENTS are awarded with that title.
@shubhamparashar1 - Exactly. CAS, TOK and the EE are CORE mandates of the DP. Imho, an excellent, well rounded student should partake in sports, drama and community service of their own FREE WILL, not because IB says they must.
My last and FINAL comment is that your AP system is seriously simple compared to IB. The AP 12th grade chemistry curriculum is extremely similar to the IGCSE 9th grade chemistry curriculum. So please revise and compare the facts before you make such wild assumptions.
@shubhamparashar1 - I don't believe anyone here was comparing AP and the IGCSE. Should we compare the SAT II subject exams to the IGCSE while we're at it? Completely off topic.
The point I'm trying to make is that the IGCSE is a 9th and 10th grade course which is being compared to the AP. That is relevant as it shows that AP doesn't even stack up properly to IGCSE a rank below IB & people are comparing AP to IB. Its comparing high school to junior high.
@shubhamparashar1 - Well it's a lousy "point" because AP Chemistry can be administered in 9th or 10th Grade as it is not bound by the 16-19 yr. age restrictions of the IBDP!
YOu can't attack all my points without giving even one valid example. You don't have any inside knowledge whatsoever. The reason I'm 'all over the map' is because I'm trying to address different points all over the IB curriculum and not only focus on one.
And this is coming from the person who didn't even know that there were 5 sciences. It shows that you are just trying to search for reason to believe in AP not to defend it.
Okay first of all, IB has 5 sciences just to let you know. Let me list them for you:
Physics
Biology
Design Technology
Chemistry
Envrionmental Systems and Management.
Secondly IB is a lot harder to do because of the fact that you have to do the IB coursework with the CAS program me. Also english students have to do the world lit paper and the english lit students have to do two.
Thirdly, IB HL math is THE MOST RESPECTED MATH CURRICULUM IN THE WORLD. It is considered to be a college higher math.
You're only point in that statement is that i have misspelled something. You have no back-up what so ever.YOu don't seem to try to prove your point and by saying that '[I am] quite simply, incorrect' doesn't make your statement correct either.
@shubhamparashar1 - Noooo, my point is that you have no idea what colleges award credit for and if AC was a "typo", you should proofread and correct your posts if you want to be taken the least bit seriously.
AND to retort on that point, not everything is based on college credit. The IB system makes you a more well rounded learner. Unlike AP as most of its subject have a wider view. Math and english are some examples. The IB uses new methods of teaching the modern student.
@shubhamparashar1 - who told you IB uses "new methods of teaching the modern student"? That is absolutely laughable. IB uses the Socratic method, constructivism and inquiry, none of which are 21st century.
The most 'dedicated' AP student does it but not to the extent of the IB. 150 Hours are required to fulfill it every year while most AP students will do about 40.
Notice how she only lists preferred Universities that are from the US. It's called the INTERNATIONAL BACCALAUREATE. Meaning that all of the universities outside the US would prefer IB.
@crenwick123 - wow, by that logic, Professors in every country in the world prefer the International House of Pancakes over McDonalds! Good job, IB student!
Kind of pathetic how you have to resort to comparing school systems to fast food chains. Obviously schools outside the US would prefer IB over AP. I know this because i'm an American studying the IB in Asia.
Wow 5 classes in their senior year? That's a wait... I've taken 5 freshman and sophomore, and 6 junior and senior because of IB. No wonder there are so many dislikes...
AP is a walk in the park, let's memorize facts! Yippee! Multiple-Choice Test! YAY!!!!
Football =/= Education. Want to focus on football? Maybe its better for you to take AP to save some time that you would be studying in. The majority of the population does not rely on sports for a living, and therefore your argument of how the football team dropped down a tier has nothing to do with this.
@ObserverNY So you are basically telling me I have gained no knowledge doing IB??? Wrong, my brother takes AP classes and he tells me how rough I have it in IB. I also haven't gained self reliance??? All I do is homework and study for tests ON MY OWN. Your points your tried to prove are untrue.
@DAmastr8 - ahhh, never said that. I'm sure you taught yourself some things along the way. That's because IB methodology is constructivism. Independent study (AP) would be a lot cheaper for the taxpayers than buying an expensive Swiss program and training teachers to be "facilitators".
It is obvious to me that you are only saying this crap because you love the see how many people react to it. You dont truly hate the I.B. program, you are just spewing out random nonsense and feeding of the anger that I.B. students give you, then laugh at them and come up with lame comebacks that seem like something an intelligent person said it but, in reality, they are not. So my question is: How long are you going to keep this game up?
@80srockrpwnsall - Hate is such a strong word. I believe the IB Organization to be engaged in the promotion of a NWO agenda targeting American youth and U.S. taxdollars. I will continue to fight as long as it takes to remove these insidious programs from American public schools.
@ObserverNY Oh sure you do, "I truly believe that I.B. is controlled by the U.N. and they are going to take over the world...." Blah blah blah. Oh come on, only a lunatic would truly believe that(and mabey you are one). What you just said strengthend my theory that you are just faking all of this. I wouldn't be surprised if you had children that went to the I.B. program themselves. I bet you even love the program and strongly support it. So again, how long are you going to keep this up?
@ObserverNY Also, "Hate is such a strong word." well it's the weakest word that i can use to describe all this crap. You have quite a few videos besides this one that are against I.B., you say stuff about the I.B. that are untrue AND offensive. That all seems like hate to me. Who cares if it's a strong word, GROW UP.
@80srockrpwnsall - I thought IB teaches you that "others with their differences can be right" - does that only apply to everything EXCEPT IB? I have not said a single thing that is untrue. I'm sorry the facts I put out there about IB make you unhappy.
Also you say a 5 in APBC Calculus is better than a 6 or 7 IB HL Math, why don't you pass that info on to the 200 universities who came to my school and said otherwise. Please also pass that info onto the kids who graduated from my school last year and got into Harvard, Oxford, Cornell and Royal Holloway, most of them took IB HL or SL Math.
@HOTEvilActing101 - I don't care what you think you heard, check with individual university admission policies for advanced credit. MOST universities award 8 credits for AP Calc BC while only offering 4 credits for IB HL Math.
@ObserverNY Have you even taken either of those courses? I've taken both (Calc last year and IB HL this year) and IB HL is way more challenging than what we learned in calc last year.
@frog1599 - thank you for proving me correct. Just because your school doesn't offer AP Calc BC, doesn't prove that IB HL Math is more challenging or difficult.
I.B. may 'force' you to do community & service but this experience has opened the eyes of so many and made them involved with the community, when usually they were the kind of kids who would be "community and service, why should we do that?" I.B makes you well-rounded as a person. And I can tell you every single student in the I.B. program in my school is involved in at least two of the following; music, dance, MUN, sports, community & service, student voice, theatre, peer helpers, school paper.
@HOTEvilActing101 - even I would not categorize students as being predisposed to a "why should we do that?" attitude when it comes to community service. Community service should be voluntary and come from the heart. Our school awarded credit for community service, long before IB came along.
Simply, yes it is worth the sacrifice. Admissions certainly does recognize the International Baccalaureate program in evaluating candidates. It is important to maintain a balance of academics with athletics and leadership, but you seem to understand that and are taking the right steps to be very competitive
What I think Skendox is talking about is that your use of a university which requires SAT regardless of the education system that is being used. You're stating that IB cannot get into a university without SATs, but that has nothing to do with the education system, since people who takes AP still requires SATs.
I will say this and only this. Yuri Bezmenov, can explain this to you if you are willing to listen and learn...otherwise you are lost and no amount of information will help you become un-lost even once you are being dragged out of our homes and sent to labor camps or to die you will still not understand how you were used and then discarded.
What we can say about IB: "ALL IB students take drama, music, etc." Debate program? Ever heard of MUN?
I can almost guarantee you, not every student in AP courses are athletes. I grew up in Austin, and its found that only the smartest students take on IB, while the rest of the school takes AP. Why would the smartest students bother with IB if its worse?
@LiveAndDieWithMusic - Didn't I just read an article about Wooster's football team being dropped a Tier BECAUSE OF IB? If I could link in the comments, I would, it was so ridiculous. IB makes EXCUSES for EVERYTHING!
And again, the acceptance of IB is that it provides a higher risk in comparison to AP. While AP is more secure for the people who are not willing to work intensely, IB gives a greater potential, while also increasing the risk of failure due to its difficulties. Does NOT mean that IB is a weaker course. If anything, it makes IB a better course in terms of hardworkers, while AP may provide an easier path for those who lack the will to actually spend nights studying.
I'm sure nobody got into University of Singapore through AP alone. Therefore bringing in a university which both AP and IB cannot get into without further tests makes your whole argument invalid.
@xSkendox - My point is/was, whether domestic or foreign, an IB Diploma ALONE is not an automatic admission ticket and it certainly isn't an automatic admission/sophomore status guarantee. Even foreign universities still require supplemental exams (produced by The College Board, not IB) to satisfy admission requirements. What was it about that point you failed to understand?
@ObserverNY The fact that you chose such an elite university that everybody, regardless of education system (AP, IB, A-levels) can get into without supplementary exams. Using that university makes your argument invalid.
@xSkendox - I don't think you are conveying what you mean to convey. Please re-read your comment and clarify. As it stands, it doesn't make any sense.
Have you seen the grades for Singapore? Very competitive intellectually in such a small island. There are not enough schools for the population therefore they must strive to be the best they can be. The competition allows universities to be very selective because there is "always somebody better" than the current you. Perfect SAT? Join the club.
@xSkendox - and the international schools in Singapore which are IB are PRIVATE - not GOVERNMENT/taxpayer funded. If IB is so great, why aren't all of the best private schools in the U.S. becoming IB World Schools? Hmmm?
@ObserverNY When was this a debate on whether the government should fund the school system. Public schools are taught A-levels, which are still more rigorous than AP.
@xSkendox - from where I sit, the debate has ALWAYS been: Should U.S. taxpayers be forced to fund IB in our public schools? Since IB is an outrageously expensive, proprietary and imho, unconstitutional program, my answer to that is a resounding NO
That is because Singapore is such a competitive society when it comes to education. It is pretty much the center of many students lives here. Since slots are limted with high competition, singaporean universities require several grades to pick the top students, which explains the sat requirement.
@xSkendox - and Cambridge and A-Levels are more recognized in the UK. Shall we discuss the University of Singapore and why, in addition to recognizing the IBDP, it requires SAT I and SAT II exam results to be considered for admission?
And there are only 11 IB school ins France because they know that it is more difficult than any other educational course. By having the whole country learn IB, the average grades of the French would drop, and therefore it would not look very good for a country. There is a reason why it is considered a option to choose IB in some US High Schools, rather than starting with IB and considering AP as an option. Its considered more difficult by far, and therefore it is harder to achieve higher grades.
@LiveAndDieWithMusic - Sorry, that is incorrect. There are only 11 IB schools in all of France because IB is considered inferior to the French Baccalaureate. The French Bac demonstrates greater respect for French history/sovereignty.
@ObserverNY So if the French Baccalaureate is so much better than IB, why would school even bother offering IB? Its not because they're stupid as you may assume, but its because its more known Internationally, and it is considered the most rigorous high school course, which many universities acknowledge.
@LiveAndDieWithMusic - the basis for IB came from Marie Therese-Maurette in 1948 in an address to UNESCO. She is known as the "mother of IB". IB is UNESCO's non-brick and morter" tool to infiltrate our public education system, relying upon U.S. taxdollars for its major expansion which, despite still being a "fringe" operation, really didn't take off until the late 1990's when Agenda 21, Goals 2000 and Bush's rejoining of the US with UNESCO took place in 2002
"I realize that IB students are so insecure and obsessed with the cult they have been inducted into" - The cult of meaningful education? Wow. And IB was created to undermine American sovereignty - Yes, how did you guess! - TOK is code for the terrorism of knowledge.
@sadieritt - Terrorism of Knowledge .... LOL ..... I like that! Very good! The IB student made a good one! In fact, IB's abuse of our youth with its self-proclaimed wondrous Marxist "programme" is indeed, terrorism of knowledge. Good show, sadieritt!
@ObserverNY I was actually being sarcastic - TOK (a class about critical thinking) is one of the best things that I do with my week and I'll be thankful for it for the rest of my life. To compare it with terrorism is an insult to everyone who has fallen victim to it.
@LiveAndDieWithMusic Not just U.S. sovereignty, any country's sovereignty. Google some articles on IB in India and see the problems they are having with it there. IB promotes a "world without borders". UNESCO has been interfering with U.S. education since the early 1950's.
Second Point, AP is an american course, and you compare what AMERICAN colleges would prefer it... Well dah.. the majority of IB students are not in the US. If you take the UK for example you have most of the unis prefering IB.
@Aier0 - why don't you do a Google search on this year's UK IB graduates who were sadly disappointed with their lack of acceptances as compared with their A-Level peers?
@Aier0 - There are more IB schools in the tiny blue state of Maryland than in all of Sweden. IB is a Progressive's wet dream. Follow the money. IBO just opened its "global centre" in Bethesda, MD in Aug. 2010 to take advantage of the over $10Billion Obama allotted in the 2009 ARRA (porkulus bill) which can be spent on IB in Title I schools. IB is nothing more than "social justice".
I have some critism, first off you said you have 60 hours of community and service ours from your AP student because they are altruists... May i point out that this is less than 10% of your students. Whilst A NEGATIVE point about IB is that all of them do it? i dont undeerstand. I was forced into doing cas, and i helped endangered penguins survive, a MAJOR negative factor i agree. (sarcasm if ap teaches that).
@Aier0 - Penguins are endangered? Actually, since the killing of fur seals was banned and the fur seal population has exploded, penguins have become a very tasty dish for the seals. It's called nature. You screw around with nature at one level, it has its effects up and down the food chain.
You're making the assumption that we're ignoring you. We're not, we're simply laughing at you. You also make the assumption that you win. Thanks for quoting Ghandi in our favor.
@LiveAndDieWithMusic - I didn't quote Ghandi in your favor, silly. This video was uploaded over 3 months ago. Washoe County SD wanted the message in this video ignored. I thought you would understand the "laughing at you" segment of the quote. Apparently not. I on the other hand, am not laughing at you, the children who have been duped by this corrupt organization. In fact, you depress the hell out of me.
@LiveAndDieWithMusic - I didn't quote Ghandi in your favor, silly. This video was uploaded over 3 months ago. Washoe County SD wanted the message in this video ignored. I thought you would understand the "laughing at you" segment of the quote. Apparently not. I on the other hand, am not laughing at you, the children who have been duped by this corrupt organization. In fact, you depress the heck out of me.
@ObserverNY If Washoe Country SD wanted the message in this video ignored, why did you not state this in the first place so everyone commenting did not have to waste their time. By stating that this message is not considered, It could have changed the outcome of this to a great extent. Please write the statement somewhere visible where everyone can see it so they can save their time. I'm tired of arguing. Please everyone just let this go. It's a useless argument going nowhere.
@rushrosell - Ahh, so you favor suppression of information and censorship, as long as it weighs in IB's favor do you? Did you know IBO actually issues a "playbook" for school administrators in how to counter "common objections" to IB?
Have you realized something yet? I have not seen any comments around the lines of, "Yeah! AP is better!" Why is this? Because everyone knows that that comment would be false. Want to keep being so narrow-minded to believe that it is? By all means go ahead.
@LiveAndDieWithMusic - I realize that IB students are so insecure and obsessed with the cult they have been inducted into that they feel compelled to post ridiculous, inane comments on You Tube. AP students have no need to defend the education they received, the merit of their education is quantifiable, unlike IB.
@ObserverNY Or... I'm not in Wooster HS? I'm sorry and I really mean sorry that you are not open to another type of education that threatens the US system. Yes, I am saying this as an American.
@xSkendox - IBO is an NGO of UNESCO. The U.S. has suspended funding of UNESCO due to its acceptance of the Palestinian Authority as a member. Not a single cent of U.S. taxpayer funding should be spent on an educational program that promotes the UN's socialist agenda. IBO is free to sell its products to private institutions of learning and as Americans, your parents would have the right to pay tuition for you to obtain that kind of education if they so desire.
@ObserverNY can you explain what exact aspect of the IB diploma makes it socialist? I am not convinced of this argument. In fact, the american system could be considered a for of nationalist propaganda, with required american history and all
@touchyreviewer - Public education should be APOLITICAL, neither right nor left. IB is affiliated with many left-wing/socialist organizations and through its "Learner Profile" aims to develop "global citizen" activists who seek to undermine U.S. national sovereignty.
@ObserverNY this argument also disproves that american systems. Nothing in subjects like history or english are unbiased ,and in this case the system leans towards the right, since it can be seen to promote such values that you posess yourself.
@ObserverNY Or... I looked around the world and saw the university admissions requirements for both IB and AP and find lower requirements for IB as compared to AP. I also saw that the IB courses gives you the full course credit for BOTH SL and HL courses. This allows you to already have COMPLETED the course and received its credits without taking the class.
@xSkendox - why don't you ask my 2011 Scholarship winner from Poland, attending Maastricht University in the Netherlands, who had to delay his education and fight IBO for over a year in order to get IBO to award him his diploma, if that's the case ... e-mail me, I'll put you in touch with him.
Look around the world. IB is more widely respected than AP. Look at the UK, Canada, Australia, Japan, China and Singapore to name a few. They are all, generally more open to IB than AP.
Awkward Moment when ObserverNY verses all IB Diploma Students and Graduates.
But more Awkward how ObserverNY is losing to all of us, due to our great knowledge that we gained from taking in IB Diploma.
Also what @rushrosell says its true.. A bit bias, since you have not taken the IB Diploma, therefore you don't really have a right to state AP is better when you've never taken IB.
So please get your facts right before being hated by all the IB Diploma students and graduates
@BartkillerzInc - faulty logic, faulty conclusion biased by your own self-aggrandizement. I need not be enrolled in IB to be able to evaluate, contrast and compare the two products anymore than I need to own and drive a Chevy Volt to compare it with a Mercedes. ;-)
As an IB graduate, I would like to respectfully disagree with you. IB has helped me to find who I am as an individual, as well as what I am truly passionate about without forgetting the idea of being a well-rounded student, that is opening our eyes in diverse range of subjects. Fulfilling the program has given me the opportunities I previously have no idea I could go. Now, I am a student at Berklee College of Music, world's most prestigious contemporary music institution.
@TDRFans - I am familiar with Berklee, congratulations. What instruments do you play? I would argue that Julliard is of comparable prestige. If music is your passion and talent, I assure you, IB alone wasn't the reason you were admitted. My own daughter just received her BA from NYU, Summa Cum Laude in studio art and received numerous scholarships, all without IB.
IB lets u skip ur first year in college, AP lets u get ahead in that first year. Guess which is academically superior? Not to mention that u become a well-rounded person and much better prepped to handle uni workload. Sources? I'm an IB Year 2 student and senior in high school.
@hiimpaul6 - This is the #1 IB lie/misnomer. SOME universities will award 24 credits if a student scores a 30 or higher on the IB Diploma. MOST U.S. universities do not award college credit for IB SL exams, no matter what score a student attains on the exam.
This shows how little you know about IB, firstly you don't just take SL subjects you take higher ones which are what gets you ahead in university, secondly its not just based on your exams they rate you on your entire IB diploma and your diploma scores from 2 years of work for each subject. Lastly where is your evidence that most American universities do not award college credit???
@Teh3nglishman - The IBDP REQUIRES a student to take 3 SL and 3 HL courses. You MAY schedule 4 HL and 2 SL, but this is the exception, not the rule. IBO does NOT allow a Diploma student to take 6 HL courses. Source: ibo.org - for individual university college credit awards, please go to the undergrad admissions page on their respective websites and search AP/IB credit.
A.P. Math puts you in higher math courses for UNI..... I.B. let's you skip the first year of Uni in the U.S. I'm pretty sure you can't get any better than that.
@HOTEvilActing101 - A '5' in AP BC Calculus (1 yr. course) earns far more college credit than a '6" or '7' in IB HL Math. IB SL Math Studies is not recognized as a rigorous mathematics course - in fact, it is very basic. The only IB Math course which may exceed AP BC Calc in terms of difficulty is IB Further Mathematics (SL) - betcha your school doesn't even teach it!
YOU ARE YOUR OWN STEREOTYPE! I'M AMERICAN AND I DISAGREE WITH YOU! Ignorant fools is what everybody thinks of our nation. The American education system FAILS as compared to other countries. You say AP is the way to go? Well, if we look at the scores, you can see how badly USA compares to other countries. USA scores for math and science are crap compared to the world. Don't criticize others for bias when you can't see your own.
@xSkendox - Amazing. You not only know what "everybody" thinks of the United States you feel entitled to speak for the rest of the world! And IB provided you with this incredible omnipotence. I had no idea IB instilled such supernatural power in students!
I love how Americans feel that what they do is best and that anything else is worse no matter what and eat up their own propaganda to try and make it seem as if their system is better and try to prove it with a bias, in this case only showing American universities and not saying that if anyone wanted to take a university course outside of America IB would be much preferred to AP
An IB student would look at this and just simply state
'This is not a valid argument, she has not taken the IB program before, so she has no authority to state which is better. This concludes that she is not a reliable source therefore her knowledge claim is invalid.'
-Gotta love Theory Of Knowledge ;)
I don't intend on arguing because every IB student knows the truth. Let this video 'brainwash' the closed minded individuals. If people believe this, then they're not mentally prepared for IB.
@rushrosell - and an adult who possesses critical thinking skills and life experience would look at your argument and compare it to the Kool Aid drinkers of Jim Jones' Jonestown - only problem for them is - THEY'RE ALL DEAD! I don't have to drink the IB Kool Aid to KNOW the difference between knowledge and propaganda.
I never intended on arguing, but oh well. It's funny how a teenager, who possesses far greater critical thinking skills finds humor in your recent statement. You obviously do not know the difference between knowledge and propaganda. What makes it even more hilarious, is that your nation, contains the most propaganda, and is the only successful nation to achieve a great amount of followers in their false claims. Open your eyes, you've just made everyone who takes AP looked down upon.
@ObserverNY I'm not arguing about the AP system being superior than IB. Do not categorize me with people that have made direct arguments towards the subject itself. I am arguing on the fact that you have misinterpreted our system to a great extent. If you think you are winning an argument about misinterpreting information, go ahead. It's a useless argument to win, and so is this. The IB students have always respected the AP. But the claims from you, have changed them. Greatly.
@rushrosell - I speak for no one other than myself. While many of my readers may agree with me on some or all of my points, I would never be so presumptuous as to claim to know what what they "respect" or whether their views have changed. Yet, merely because you take IB, you feel empowered to make such a baseless and empty claim. Humility seems to be alarmingly absent from your "programming".
"If you compare the ALevels and AP tariff points on the UCAS table, you will find that ONLY IBDP scores between 38-45 are given a higher award. The IBDP is awarded with a score as low as 24. In my district, the DP 'mean' score is '29' - hardly Harvard or Oxford material."
It means that the people in your district need to work harder. AP is more flexible, agreed. Your knowledge of how AP is better is simply based on the intelligence and willingness to work. Hard workers achieve more with IB.
I personally feel that the IB is so much better than AP and is only overlooked by the US when it comes to university applications. You look around and see the UK schools and the Canadian schools. They are so much more accepting to IB as compared to AP. The reasons for AP being more accepting to AP is because the universities that you named are state schools. State schools need to be more accepting to American public schools because that is public school teaching
@xSkendox - The first set of IB exams were administered in 1970. IB has had over 40 years to vet its exams with U.S. universities. Instead of doing the difficult leg work which the College Board conducted to have its product recognized by college admissions officers. IB has relied on hearsay, self-praise and the paid-for promotion of its product by Jay Mathews of the Washington Post. Why don't you explain why there are only 11 IB schools in all of France, if IB is so great?
And based on your argument, I am assuming that your logic is deduced off the fact that "global warming is all a lie". You also assume that the whole entire IB grading is linear, and that achieving a 45 is twice as hard as achieving a 23. Its quite easy to get something lower than 30, and therefore it is not considered in admissions, while someone obtaining a 45 will hold a higher value in comparison to someone who gets 5s on all his subjects in AP.
You do know what the I in IB stands for right? Yes, its for the word "International". Does this mean that its better in a specific country? No. You are basing all of your logic off a single country, and for that matter, most of the state schools. IB isn't made for a specific country, and therefore while exceptions like the US may occur, globally it is recognized, and even in the US is IB recognized as a higher education system than AP.
@LiveAndDieWithMusic - 40% of all of the IB programmes sold in the world are in the U.S. IB is "college-prep", AP is "college-level". IB is NOT recognized as a "higher education system" than AP in the U.S. - IB is a non-transparent, expensive, superfluous, proprietary program and can't stand on its own merit in the US without making kids take the AP exams in ADDITION to IB!
your argument about college credit is ignorant and only looks at US colleges. The fact the the IB is INTERNATIONAL is completely ignored in this lady's argument .If you look at it, the IB is a better preparation for college as it provides not only a well rounded student that makes them think about the world critically (TOK, CAS), but also prepares them effectively in writing college level essays (extended essay could almost be considered a thesis)
@touchyreviewer - Before calling me ignorant, I suggest you go look at the UCAS tariff table and the admissions qualifications for Oxford/Cambridge. If you don't have a 38 or higher on the IBDP, you're bum out of luck.
@ObserverNY but this is oxford and cambridge you are looking at, which are two of the top universities in the world. In fact 38, while an impressive grade, is actually quite attainable for students who should be eligible for oxford (eg you could get all 6s and 3 bonus points). Doesn't that lower point expectation suggest that they recognize that the IB is a rigorous program?
@touchyreviewer - If you compare the ALevels and AP tariff points on the UCAS table, you will find that ONLY IBDP scores between 38-45 are given a higher award. The IBDP is awarded with a score as low as 24. In my district, the DP 'mean' score is '29' - hardly Harvard or Oxford material.
@ObserverNY I find that your arguments are based on getting college credits, which is a very materialistic point of view on education. Education's purpose should be to prepare us for the world as well as to excite a learning attitude for students to take with them through life to keep on growing as a person? If IB is claimed to give lower college credit than AP, why is it the fastest growing diploma program at the moment? It must be for the above reason.
@touchyreviewer - not just on college credits but as a qualifier for ADMISSION to university. For example, Harvard or Columbia are not going to award an IB student sophomore status (as IB oft promotes) for merely earning an IB Diploma with a score of 26. Chances are, the student wouldn't even be considered for admission.
@ObserverNY I see that you are often choosing high ranked schools for your arguments. Of course you need higher than 26 to get into the top universities, its just common sense. What I was talking about was the value of the program on impacting the students life and making them more critically thinking, cultured people. The college credits is just a bonus to that value.
@touchyreviewer - ohhhhh, so you want to pose a teleological argument, do you? The International in IB refers to adherence to UNESCO/Agenda 21 political activism and junk global warming "science". IB is unconstitutional and must be removed from our American public schools.
@ObserverNY ok i give up, if you're going to start talking about IB "brainwashing" children with socialist values or whatever, I am not going to bother with you
@touchyreviewer - I have proof. Go to the Breaking News page on Truth About IB. IB source documents. See what IB requires its teachers to be trained in - Earth Charter, Agenda 21, UNESCO values ..... it's all there. You give up because you can't face the truth.
@ObserverNY my father is an IB coordinator at my school and he doesn't believe his training was indoctrination. As someone in the IB, I believe that it actually promotes good international values, something right wing americans need more of.
@touchyreviewer - LOL! Of COURSE your father doesn't believe he was indoctrinated by IB or that he has clearly helped to bias YOU against America's fundamental values and principles. Who the hell is IB to tell anyone they need "more good international values"???? (UN values).
@ObserverNY I am not biased against american values because of the IB, in fact I could see the flaws in (i'm generalizing here) most american values before i even took the IB or he got the job of IB coordinator. There is a reason why americans have a reputation of being considered "ignorant" to much of the international community. Your comment embodies this by essentially claiming that US values are the best and are what the whole world should revolve around.
Why are you so against IB? You are just judging something that you know nothing about. Have you taken any IB classes? Have you taken AP classes? What is your problem with IB, because nothing you have said here is valid.
First, many more colleges than you have cared to admit, accept IB credit.
Second, do some more research and realize there are more programs apart from the DP. Third, do you hear yourself speak? "any university i know of," Do some research, and stop judging what you don't know.
I have 1 child that went through the IB program and 1 child that took all AP courses, and I can assure you (both of my children agree) that IB is definitely more rigorous than AP. They take the equivalent of seven AP courses, and in addition, have to write several 2 or 3 thousand word assessments for each class, have 200 hours of mandatory Creative, Action, or Service hours, have to write a four-thousand word extended essay, + have exams after two years that are almost entirely essay based.
mandatory community service, excessive amounts of writing about nothing and subjective exams assessed by foreign examiners may be "rigorous", but it does not necessarily produce a better educated student. And that's 150 hrs, not 200, 6 courses (3 SL, 3 HL) + TOK, so only 3 are the college-level equivalent of AP as MOST U.S. universities do not recognize IB SL exams for college credit
@ObserverNY In addition to the 150 hours in Junior and Senior years, there are 100 hours done Freshman and Sophmore years for many US schools. So your right, its not 200, its 250. "Excessive amounts of writing about nothing" is actually writing research papers similar to what i wrote when I went to college. This helps to prepare students for College, when many have never written a Thesis before. TOK is still a class (3SL+3HL+1TOK = 7 Classes) I guess you have to go through IB to solve that.
@paulsbuchman - your claim of "100 hours in Freshman and Sophmore [sic] " years is not only baseless, it has absolutely nothing to do with the IBDP. Furthermore, you claimed the DP equaled 7 AP's - there is no TOK equivalent in AP and it is not recognized for college credit by any U I know of with the exception of Barnard. Most U's only recognize IB HL exams for credit, 2 yr. courses for which a student could have studied twice as many AP courses.
@DAmastr8 - That's right. The NWO will consider you a much better Borg if you take IB - while with AP, you will actually gain knowledge and individual self-reliance.
@georgenolovich - Very good. I wanted to see what kind of response I would get if I threw some "PC" garbage back at you. You get a gold star George. ;-)
Uni's prefer AP because IB is underrated (for now). Also, a statistic says that IB students in all unis all around the world have higher averages than any other student... still don't understand why IB is not rated well though...
Alesalad 1 week ago
The CAS also is a REQUIREMENT unlike AP. Your SCHOOL might be 'awarded' for it community service, but all of our STUDENTS are awarded with that title.
shubhamparashar1 2 weeks ago
@shubhamparashar1 - Exactly. CAS, TOK and the EE are CORE mandates of the DP. Imho, an excellent, well rounded student should partake in sports, drama and community service of their own FREE WILL, not because IB says they must.
ObserverNY 1 week ago
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shubhamparashar1 2 weeks ago
My last and FINAL comment is that your AP system is seriously simple compared to IB. The AP 12th grade chemistry curriculum is extremely similar to the IGCSE 9th grade chemistry curriculum. So please revise and compare the facts before you make such wild assumptions.
shubhamparashar1 2 weeks ago
@shubhamparashar1 - I don't believe anyone here was comparing AP and the IGCSE. Should we compare the SAT II subject exams to the IGCSE while we're at it? Completely off topic.
ObserverNY 2 weeks ago
@ObserverNY
The point I'm trying to make is that the IGCSE is a 9th and 10th grade course which is being compared to the AP. That is relevant as it shows that AP doesn't even stack up properly to IGCSE a rank below IB & people are comparing AP to IB. Its comparing high school to junior high.
shubhamparashar1 2 weeks ago
@shubhamparashar1 - Well it's a lousy "point" because AP Chemistry can be administered in 9th or 10th Grade as it is not bound by the 16-19 yr. age restrictions of the IBDP!
ObserverNY 2 weeks ago
@ObserverNY
Yeah, it can be but isn't right? Aren't they just different cases?
shubhamparashar1 2 weeks ago
@shubhamparashar1 - Focus please. Why don't you try and pick ONE of IB's best points compared to AP and defend it. You are all over the map.
ObserverNY 2 weeks ago
@ObserverNY
YOu can't attack all my points without giving even one valid example. You don't have any inside knowledge whatsoever. The reason I'm 'all over the map' is because I'm trying to address different points all over the IB curriculum and not only focus on one.
And this is coming from the person who didn't even know that there were 5 sciences. It shows that you are just trying to search for reason to believe in AP not to defend it.
Your Turn.
shubhamparashar1 2 weeks ago
@ObserverNY
Also I was talking about the IGCSE which is a course that starts when a student is 14.
shubhamparashar1 2 weeks ago
Okay first of all, IB has 5 sciences just to let you know. Let me list them for you:
Physics
Biology
Design Technology
Chemistry
Envrionmental Systems and Management.
Secondly IB is a lot harder to do because of the fact that you have to do the IB coursework with the CAS program me. Also english students have to do the world lit paper and the english lit students have to do two.
Thirdly, IB HL math is THE MOST RESPECTED MATH CURRICULUM IN THE WORLD. It is considered to be a college higher math.
shubhamparashar1 2 weeks ago
@shubhamparashar1
IB SL Math Studies is a fairly basic HS level course.
IB HL Math does not earn as much college credit as AP Calculus AB and BC
MOST universities do not recognize ANY IB SL exams for college credit
CAS is something MOST dedicated, well-rounded students do on their own without having to have it MANDATED by the Swiss.
ObserverNY 2 weeks ago
@ObserverNY
By the way, I think you need to look over the curriculums more often.
IB SL Maths is 10 times more advanced that Calculus AB and AC as it covers all the topic in AP and more. Unlike AP
shubhamparashar1 2 weeks ago 2
@shubhamparashar1 - there is no Calculus "AC", and you are quite simply, incorrect.
ObserverNY 2 weeks ago
@ObserverNY
You're only point in that statement is that i have misspelled something. You have no back-up what so ever.YOu don't seem to try to prove your point and by saying that '[I am] quite simply, incorrect' doesn't make your statement correct either.
shubhamparashar1 2 weeks ago
@shubhamparashar1 - Noooo, my point is that you have no idea what colleges award credit for and if AC was a "typo", you should proofread and correct your posts if you want to be taken the least bit seriously.
ObserverNY 2 weeks ago
@ObserverNY
AND to retort on that point, not everything is based on college credit. The IB system makes you a more well rounded learner. Unlike AP as most of its subject have a wider view. Math and english are some examples. The IB uses new methods of teaching the modern student.
shubhamparashar1 2 weeks ago
@shubhamparashar1 - who told you IB uses "new methods of teaching the modern student"? That is absolutely laughable. IB uses the Socratic method, constructivism and inquiry, none of which are 21st century.
ObserverNY 1 week ago
@ObserverNY
The most 'dedicated' AP student does it but not to the extent of the IB. 150 Hours are required to fulfill it every year while most AP students will do about 40.
shubhamparashar1 2 weeks ago
@shubhamparashar1 - source for this opinion, please?
ObserverNY 2 weeks ago
@ObserverNY
It's an opinion, it doesn't have to be sourced. Where is all your research for all the 'information' that you have apparently stated?
shubhamparashar1 2 weeks ago
Notice how she only lists preferred Universities that are from the US. It's called the INTERNATIONAL BACCALAUREATE. Meaning that all of the universities outside the US would prefer IB.
crenwick123 2 weeks ago
@crenwick123 - wow, by that logic, Professors in every country in the world prefer the International House of Pancakes over McDonalds! Good job, IB student!
ObserverNY 2 weeks ago
@ObserverNY
Your argument is such a stick man argument. crenwick123 makes a great point on how IB is also international while AP is more national.
shubhamparashar1 2 weeks ago
@ObserverNY
Kind of pathetic how you have to resort to comparing school systems to fast food chains. Obviously schools outside the US would prefer IB over AP. I know this because i'm an American studying the IB in Asia.
crenwick123 2 weeks ago
Wow 5 classes in their senior year? That's a wait... I've taken 5 freshman and sophomore, and 6 junior and senior because of IB. No wonder there are so many dislikes...
AP is a walk in the park, let's memorize facts! Yippee! Multiple-Choice Test! YAY!!!!
usarmy624 1 month ago
I think the 11 people who actually liked this were (uhem) AP students. haha. IB all the way!
frog1599 1 month ago
This is funny... They are both just as good, just different learning styles. I mean do we really have to make a war about everything?
justinrudedude 1 month ago
Wow, I'm sorry but I don't think you are educated about this at all.
sharonisrelative 1 month ago
IB preaches for tolerance for anyone but those who question IB
kellymann 1 month ago 6
Football =/= Education. Want to focus on football? Maybe its better for you to take AP to save some time that you would be studying in. The majority of the population does not rely on sports for a living, and therefore your argument of how the football team dropped down a tier has nothing to do with this.
LiveAndDieWithMusic 1 month ago
@ObserverNY So you are basically telling me I have gained no knowledge doing IB??? Wrong, my brother takes AP classes and he tells me how rough I have it in IB. I also haven't gained self reliance??? All I do is homework and study for tests ON MY OWN. Your points your tried to prove are untrue.
DAmastr8 2 months ago
@DAmastr8 - ahhh, never said that. I'm sure you taught yourself some things along the way. That's because IB methodology is constructivism. Independent study (AP) would be a lot cheaper for the taxpayers than buying an expensive Swiss program and training teachers to be "facilitators".
ObserverNY 2 months ago
It is obvious to me that you are only saying this crap because you love the see how many people react to it. You dont truly hate the I.B. program, you are just spewing out random nonsense and feeding of the anger that I.B. students give you, then laugh at them and come up with lame comebacks that seem like something an intelligent person said it but, in reality, they are not. So my question is: How long are you going to keep this game up?
80srockrpwnsall 2 months ago
@80srockrpwnsall - Hate is such a strong word. I believe the IB Organization to be engaged in the promotion of a NWO agenda targeting American youth and U.S. taxdollars. I will continue to fight as long as it takes to remove these insidious programs from American public schools.
ObserverNY 2 months ago
@ObserverNY Oh sure you do, "I truly believe that I.B. is controlled by the U.N. and they are going to take over the world...." Blah blah blah. Oh come on, only a lunatic would truly believe that(and mabey you are one). What you just said strengthend my theory that you are just faking all of this. I wouldn't be surprised if you had children that went to the I.B. program themselves. I bet you even love the program and strongly support it. So again, how long are you going to keep this up?
80srockrpwnsall 2 months ago
@80srockrpwnsall - Go to ibo's website and plug UNESCO into its search engine. Then get back to me.
ObserverNY 2 months ago
@ObserverNY Also, "Hate is such a strong word." well it's the weakest word that i can use to describe all this crap. You have quite a few videos besides this one that are against I.B., you say stuff about the I.B. that are untrue AND offensive. That all seems like hate to me. Who cares if it's a strong word, GROW UP.
80srockrpwnsall 2 months ago
@80srockrpwnsall - I thought IB teaches you that "others with their differences can be right" - does that only apply to everything EXCEPT IB? I have not said a single thing that is untrue. I'm sorry the facts I put out there about IB make you unhappy.
ObserverNY 2 months ago
@80srockrpwnsall - would you prefer I close the comments and censor opinion the way IB does on its website?
ObserverNY 1 month ago
I laugh at your pointless arguements.
80srockrpwnsall 2 months ago
@80srockrpwnsall - I'll be polite and not laugh at your horrific spelling.
ObserverNY 2 months ago
Also you say a 5 in APBC Calculus is better than a 6 or 7 IB HL Math, why don't you pass that info on to the 200 universities who came to my school and said otherwise. Please also pass that info onto the kids who graduated from my school last year and got into Harvard, Oxford, Cornell and Royal Holloway, most of them took IB HL or SL Math.
HOTEvilActing101 2 months ago
@HOTEvilActing101 - I don't care what you think you heard, check with individual university admission policies for advanced credit. MOST universities award 8 credits for AP Calc BC while only offering 4 credits for IB HL Math.
ObserverNY 2 months ago
@ObserverNY Have you even taken either of those courses? I've taken both (Calc last year and IB HL this year) and IB HL is way more challenging than what we learned in calc last year.
frog1599 1 month ago
@frog1599 - then I'm guessing you only took AP Calc AB and not AP Calc BC.
ObserverNY 1 month ago
@ObserverNY They don't offer BC at our school. I wouldn't have taken it anyway because I'm in IB and not wasting my time in AP
frog1599 1 month ago
@frog1599 - thank you for proving me correct. Just because your school doesn't offer AP Calc BC, doesn't prove that IB HL Math is more challenging or difficult.
ObserverNY 1 month ago
I.B. may 'force' you to do community & service but this experience has opened the eyes of so many and made them involved with the community, when usually they were the kind of kids who would be "community and service, why should we do that?" I.B makes you well-rounded as a person. And I can tell you every single student in the I.B. program in my school is involved in at least two of the following; music, dance, MUN, sports, community & service, student voice, theatre, peer helpers, school paper.
HOTEvilActing101 2 months ago
@HOTEvilActing101 - even I would not categorize students as being predisposed to a "why should we do that?" attitude when it comes to community service. Community service should be voluntary and come from the heart. Our school awarded credit for community service, long before IB came along.
ObserverNY 2 months ago
Simply, yes it is worth the sacrifice. Admissions certainly does recognize the International Baccalaureate program in evaluating candidates. It is important to maintain a balance of academics with athletics and leadership, but you seem to understand that and are taking the right steps to be very competitive
This is by a West Point admissions employee.
GO IB!
usarmy624 2 months ago
@usarmy624 IB!
frog1599 1 month ago
What I think Skendox is talking about is that your use of a university which requires SAT regardless of the education system that is being used. You're stating that IB cannot get into a university without SATs, but that has nothing to do with the education system, since people who takes AP still requires SATs.
LiveAndDieWithMusic 2 months ago
I will say this and only this. Yuri Bezmenov, can explain this to you if you are willing to listen and learn...otherwise you are lost and no amount of information will help you become un-lost even once you are being dragged out of our homes and sent to labor camps or to die you will still not understand how you were used and then discarded.
trouble21374 2 months ago
IB STUDENTS = USEFUL IDIOTS. Check with Stalin to see how you are being USED
lynchLIED 2 months ago
@lynchLIED Useful idiots who are still smarter than you.
LiveAndDieWithMusic 2 months ago
"Most of our AP students take drama, music etc."
What we can say about IB: "ALL IB students take drama, music, etc." Debate program? Ever heard of MUN?
I can almost guarantee you, not every student in AP courses are athletes. I grew up in Austin, and its found that only the smartest students take on IB, while the rest of the school takes AP. Why would the smartest students bother with IB if its worse?
LiveAndDieWithMusic 2 months ago
@LiveAndDieWithMusic - Didn't I just read an article about Wooster's football team being dropped a Tier BECAUSE OF IB? If I could link in the comments, I would, it was so ridiculous. IB makes EXCUSES for EVERYTHING!
ObserverNY 2 months ago
And again, the acceptance of IB is that it provides a higher risk in comparison to AP. While AP is more secure for the people who are not willing to work intensely, IB gives a greater potential, while also increasing the risk of failure due to its difficulties. Does NOT mean that IB is a weaker course. If anything, it makes IB a better course in terms of hardworkers, while AP may provide an easier path for those who lack the will to actually spend nights studying.
LiveAndDieWithMusic 2 months ago
I'm sure nobody got into University of Singapore through AP alone. Therefore bringing in a university which both AP and IB cannot get into without further tests makes your whole argument invalid.
xSkendox 2 months ago
@xSkendox - My point is/was, whether domestic or foreign, an IB Diploma ALONE is not an automatic admission ticket and it certainly isn't an automatic admission/sophomore status guarantee. Even foreign universities still require supplemental exams (produced by The College Board, not IB) to satisfy admission requirements. What was it about that point you failed to understand?
ObserverNY 2 months ago
@ObserverNY The fact that you chose such an elite university that everybody, regardless of education system (AP, IB, A-levels) can get into without supplementary exams. Using that university makes your argument invalid.
xSkendox 2 months ago
@xSkendox - I don't think you are conveying what you mean to convey. Please re-read your comment and clarify. As it stands, it doesn't make any sense.
ObserverNY 2 months ago
Have you seen the grades for Singapore? Very competitive intellectually in such a small island. There are not enough schools for the population therefore they must strive to be the best they can be. The competition allows universities to be very selective because there is "always somebody better" than the current you. Perfect SAT? Join the club.
xSkendox 2 months ago
@xSkendox - and the international schools in Singapore which are IB are PRIVATE - not GOVERNMENT/taxpayer funded. If IB is so great, why aren't all of the best private schools in the U.S. becoming IB World Schools? Hmmm?
ObserverNY 2 months ago
@ObserverNY When was this a debate on whether the government should fund the school system. Public schools are taught A-levels, which are still more rigorous than AP.
xSkendox 2 months ago
@xSkendox - Where is your proof that A-Levels are more academically challenging than AP? Name a scholarly comparison of the two.
ObserverNY 2 months ago
@xSkendox - from where I sit, the debate has ALWAYS been: Should U.S. taxpayers be forced to fund IB in our public schools? Since IB is an outrageously expensive, proprietary and imho, unconstitutional program, my answer to that is a resounding NO
ObserverNY 2 months ago
That is because Singapore is such a competitive society when it comes to education. It is pretty much the center of many students lives here. Since slots are limted with high competition, singaporean universities require several grades to pick the top students, which explains the sat requirement.
touchyreviewer 2 months ago
i dont undersstand why you talk about sweden?
I live in asia where people score 2340 on they sats....
but henceforth, try looking up UWC SEA Admission statistics....
these people in that IB school i go to..... they get in everywhere. Please also refreain from personal insults they only go against your arguement.
On a second note a aughed my ass off when you said a levels... you were comparing AP and you had to result to another system... POOR...
Aier0 2 months ago
@Aier0 Yay for Singapore!
crenwick123 2 weeks ago
@ObserverNY French Baccalaureate is more recognized in France. Hence the name "French Baccalaureate".
xSkendox 2 months ago
@xSkendox - and Cambridge and A-Levels are more recognized in the UK. Shall we discuss the University of Singapore and why, in addition to recognizing the IBDP, it requires SAT I and SAT II exam results to be considered for admission?
ObserverNY 2 months ago
And there are only 11 IB school ins France because they know that it is more difficult than any other educational course. By having the whole country learn IB, the average grades of the French would drop, and therefore it would not look very good for a country. There is a reason why it is considered a option to choose IB in some US High Schools, rather than starting with IB and considering AP as an option. Its considered more difficult by far, and therefore it is harder to achieve higher grades.
LiveAndDieWithMusic 2 months ago
@LiveAndDieWithMusic - Sorry, that is incorrect. There are only 11 IB schools in all of France because IB is considered inferior to the French Baccalaureate. The French Bac demonstrates greater respect for French history/sovereignty.
ObserverNY 2 months ago
@ObserverNY So if the French Baccalaureate is so much better than IB, why would school even bother offering IB? Its not because they're stupid as you may assume, but its because its more known Internationally, and it is considered the most rigorous high school course, which many universities acknowledge.
LiveAndDieWithMusic 2 months ago
@ObersverNY How was that in any way related again?
xSkendox 2 months ago
They've been interfering since 1950 you say? Why would they interfere with education if IB was the problem, and IB was released in 1968?
LiveAndDieWithMusic 2 months ago
@LiveAndDieWithMusic - the basis for IB came from Marie Therese-Maurette in 1948 in an address to UNESCO. She is known as the "mother of IB". IB is UNESCO's non-brick and morter" tool to infiltrate our public education system, relying upon U.S. taxdollars for its major expansion which, despite still being a "fringe" operation, really didn't take off until the late 1990's when Agenda 21, Goals 2000 and Bush's rejoining of the US with UNESCO took place in 2002
ObserverNY 2 months ago
"I realize that IB students are so insecure and obsessed with the cult they have been inducted into" - The cult of meaningful education? Wow. And IB was created to undermine American sovereignty - Yes, how did you guess! - TOK is code for the terrorism of knowledge.
sadieritt 2 months ago
@sadieritt - Terrorism of Knowledge .... LOL ..... I like that! Very good! The IB student made a good one! In fact, IB's abuse of our youth with its self-proclaimed wondrous Marxist "programme" is indeed, terrorism of knowledge. Good show, sadieritt!
ObserverNY 2 months ago
@ObserverNY I was actually being sarcastic - TOK (a class about critical thinking) is one of the best things that I do with my week and I'll be thankful for it for the rest of my life. To compare it with terrorism is an insult to everyone who has fallen victim to it.
sadieritt 2 months ago
@LiveAndDieWithMusic Not just U.S. sovereignty, any country's sovereignty. Google some articles on IB in India and see the problems they are having with it there. IB promotes a "world without borders". UNESCO has been interfering with U.S. education since the early 1950's.
ObserverNY 2 months ago
Second Point, AP is an american course, and you compare what AMERICAN colleges would prefer it... Well dah.. the majority of IB students are not in the US. If you take the UK for example you have most of the unis prefering IB.
Thanks you ignorance.
Aier0 2 months ago
@Aier0 - why don't you do a Google search on this year's UK IB graduates who were sadly disappointed with their lack of acceptances as compared with their A-Level peers?
ObserverNY 2 months ago
@Aier0 - There are more IB schools in the tiny blue state of Maryland than in all of Sweden. IB is a Progressive's wet dream. Follow the money. IBO just opened its "global centre" in Bethesda, MD in Aug. 2010 to take advantage of the over $10Billion Obama allotted in the 2009 ARRA (porkulus bill) which can be spent on IB in Title I schools. IB is nothing more than "social justice".
ObserverNY 2 months ago
Hello,
I have some critism, first off you said you have 60 hours of community and service ours from your AP student because they are altruists... May i point out that this is less than 10% of your students. Whilst A NEGATIVE point about IB is that all of them do it? i dont undeerstand. I was forced into doing cas, and i helped endangered penguins survive, a MAJOR negative factor i agree. (sarcasm if ap teaches that).
Aier0 2 months ago
@Aier0 - Penguins are endangered? Actually, since the killing of fur seals was banned and the fur seal population has exploded, penguins have become a very tasty dish for the seals. It's called nature. You screw around with nature at one level, it has its effects up and down the food chain.
ObserverNY 2 months ago
You're making the assumption that we're ignoring you. We're not, we're simply laughing at you. You also make the assumption that you win. Thanks for quoting Ghandi in our favor.
LiveAndDieWithMusic 2 months ago
@LiveAndDieWithMusic - I didn't quote Ghandi in your favor, silly. This video was uploaded over 3 months ago. Washoe County SD wanted the message in this video ignored. I thought you would understand the "laughing at you" segment of the quote. Apparently not. I on the other hand, am not laughing at you, the children who have been duped by this corrupt organization. In fact, you depress the hell out of me.
ObserverNY 2 months ago
@LiveAndDieWithMusic - I didn't quote Ghandi in your favor, silly. This video was uploaded over 3 months ago. Washoe County SD wanted the message in this video ignored. I thought you would understand the "laughing at you" segment of the quote. Apparently not. I on the other hand, am not laughing at you, the children who have been duped by this corrupt organization. In fact, you depress the heck out of me.
ObserverNY 2 months ago
@ObserverNY If Washoe Country SD wanted the message in this video ignored, why did you not state this in the first place so everyone commenting did not have to waste their time. By stating that this message is not considered, It could have changed the outcome of this to a great extent. Please write the statement somewhere visible where everyone can see it so they can save their time. I'm tired of arguing. Please everyone just let this go. It's a useless argument going nowhere.
rushrosell 2 months ago in playlist Favorite videos
@rushrosell - Ahh, so you favor suppression of information and censorship, as long as it weighs in IB's favor do you? Did you know IBO actually issues a "playbook" for school administrators in how to counter "common objections" to IB?
ObserverNY 2 months ago
Have you realized something yet? I have not seen any comments around the lines of, "Yeah! AP is better!" Why is this? Because everyone knows that that comment would be false. Want to keep being so narrow-minded to believe that it is? By all means go ahead.
LiveAndDieWithMusic 2 months ago
@LiveAndDieWithMusic - I realize that IB students are so insecure and obsessed with the cult they have been inducted into that they feel compelled to post ridiculous, inane comments on You Tube. AP students have no need to defend the education they received, the merit of their education is quantifiable, unlike IB.
ObserverNY 2 months ago
@ObserverNY Or... I'm not in Wooster HS? I'm sorry and I really mean sorry that you are not open to another type of education that threatens the US system. Yes, I am saying this as an American.
xSkendox 2 months ago
@xSkendox - IBO is an NGO of UNESCO. The U.S. has suspended funding of UNESCO due to its acceptance of the Palestinian Authority as a member. Not a single cent of U.S. taxpayer funding should be spent on an educational program that promotes the UN's socialist agenda. IBO is free to sell its products to private institutions of learning and as Americans, your parents would have the right to pay tuition for you to obtain that kind of education if they so desire.
ObserverNY 2 months ago
@ObserverNY can you explain what exact aspect of the IB diploma makes it socialist? I am not convinced of this argument. In fact, the american system could be considered a for of nationalist propaganda, with required american history and all
touchyreviewer 2 months ago
@touchyreviewer - Public education should be APOLITICAL, neither right nor left. IB is affiliated with many left-wing/socialist organizations and through its "Learner Profile" aims to develop "global citizen" activists who seek to undermine U.S. national sovereignty.
ObserverNY 2 months ago
@ObserverNY this argument also disproves that american systems. Nothing in subjects like history or english are unbiased ,and in this case the system leans towards the right, since it can be seen to promote such values that you posess yourself.
touchyreviewer 2 months ago
@ObserverNY Or... I looked around the world and saw the university admissions requirements for both IB and AP and find lower requirements for IB as compared to AP. I also saw that the IB courses gives you the full course credit for BOTH SL and HL courses. This allows you to already have COMPLETED the course and received its credits without taking the class.
xSkendox 2 months ago
@xSkendox - why don't you ask my 2011 Scholarship winner from Poland, attending Maastricht University in the Netherlands, who had to delay his education and fight IBO for over a year in order to get IBO to award him his diploma, if that's the case ... e-mail me, I'll put you in touch with him.
ObserverNY 2 months ago
Look around the world. IB is more widely respected than AP. Look at the UK, Canada, Australia, Japan, China and Singapore to name a few. They are all, generally more open to IB than AP.
xSkendox 2 months ago
@xSkendox - Exactly how many students from Wooster HS, Nevada, attend university in another country each year? Hmmm?
ObserverNY 2 months ago
Awkward Moment when ObserverNY verses all IB Diploma Students and Graduates.
But more Awkward how ObserverNY is losing to all of us, due to our great knowledge that we gained from taking in IB Diploma.
Also what @rushrosell says its true.. A bit bias, since you have not taken the IB Diploma, therefore you don't really have a right to state AP is better when you've never taken IB.
So please get your facts right before being hated by all the IB Diploma students and graduates
BartkillerzInc 2 months ago
@BartkillerzInc - faulty logic, faulty conclusion biased by your own self-aggrandizement. I need not be enrolled in IB to be able to evaluate, contrast and compare the two products anymore than I need to own and drive a Chevy Volt to compare it with a Mercedes. ;-)
ObserverNY 2 months ago
anyone can say bullshit about wat they like better and do not even show the proof...
ChildrenOfBrazil 2 months ago
As an IB graduate, I would like to respectfully disagree with you. IB has helped me to find who I am as an individual, as well as what I am truly passionate about without forgetting the idea of being a well-rounded student, that is opening our eyes in diverse range of subjects. Fulfilling the program has given me the opportunities I previously have no idea I could go. Now, I am a student at Berklee College of Music, world's most prestigious contemporary music institution.
TDRFans 2 months ago 7
@TDRFans - I am familiar with Berklee, congratulations. What instruments do you play? I would argue that Julliard is of comparable prestige. If music is your passion and talent, I assure you, IB alone wasn't the reason you were admitted. My own daughter just received her BA from NYU, Summa Cum Laude in studio art and received numerous scholarships, all without IB.
ObserverNY 2 months ago
IB lets u skip ur first year in college, AP lets u get ahead in that first year. Guess which is academically superior? Not to mention that u become a well-rounded person and much better prepped to handle uni workload. Sources? I'm an IB Year 2 student and senior in high school.
hiimpaul6 2 months ago
@hiimpaul6 - This is the #1 IB lie/misnomer. SOME universities will award 24 credits if a student scores a 30 or higher on the IB Diploma. MOST U.S. universities do not award college credit for IB SL exams, no matter what score a student attains on the exam.
ObserverNY 2 months ago
@ObserverNY
This shows how little you know about IB, firstly you don't just take SL subjects you take higher ones which are what gets you ahead in university, secondly its not just based on your exams they rate you on your entire IB diploma and your diploma scores from 2 years of work for each subject. Lastly where is your evidence that most American universities do not award college credit???
Teh3nglishman 2 months ago
@Teh3nglishman - The IBDP REQUIRES a student to take 3 SL and 3 HL courses. You MAY schedule 4 HL and 2 SL, but this is the exception, not the rule. IBO does NOT allow a Diploma student to take 6 HL courses. Source: ibo.org - for individual university college credit awards, please go to the undergrad admissions page on their respective websites and search AP/IB credit.
ObserverNY 2 months ago
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TDRFans 2 months ago
A.P. Math puts you in higher math courses for UNI..... I.B. let's you skip the first year of Uni in the U.S. I'm pretty sure you can't get any better than that.
HOTEvilActing101 2 months ago 5
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TDRFans 2 months ago
@HOTEvilActing101 - A '5' in AP BC Calculus (1 yr. course) earns far more college credit than a '6" or '7' in IB HL Math. IB SL Math Studies is not recognized as a rigorous mathematics course - in fact, it is very basic. The only IB Math course which may exceed AP BC Calc in terms of difficulty is IB Further Mathematics (SL) - betcha your school doesn't even teach it!
ObserverNY 2 months ago
@ObserverNY
YOU ARE YOUR OWN STEREOTYPE! I'M AMERICAN AND I DISAGREE WITH YOU! Ignorant fools is what everybody thinks of our nation. The American education system FAILS as compared to other countries. You say AP is the way to go? Well, if we look at the scores, you can see how badly USA compares to other countries. USA scores for math and science are crap compared to the world. Don't criticize others for bias when you can't see your own.
xSkendox 2 months ago 3
@xSkendox - Amazing. You not only know what "everybody" thinks of the United States you feel entitled to speak for the rest of the world! And IB provided you with this incredible omnipotence. I had no idea IB instilled such supernatural power in students!
ObserverNY 2 months ago
I love how Americans feel that what they do is best and that anything else is worse no matter what and eat up their own propaganda to try and make it seem as if their system is better and try to prove it with a bias, in this case only showing American universities and not saying that if anyone wanted to take a university course outside of America IB would be much preferred to AP
Teh3nglishman 2 months ago 4
what a fail of a video, obviously this women has no idea of the opportunities IB can give you LOL
MrBoyboy455 2 months ago 2
An IB student would look at this and just simply state
'This is not a valid argument, she has not taken the IB program before, so she has no authority to state which is better. This concludes that she is not a reliable source therefore her knowledge claim is invalid.'
-Gotta love Theory Of Knowledge ;)
I don't intend on arguing because every IB student knows the truth. Let this video 'brainwash' the closed minded individuals. If people believe this, then they're not mentally prepared for IB.
rushrosell 2 months ago 24
@rushrosell - and an adult who possesses critical thinking skills and life experience would look at your argument and compare it to the Kool Aid drinkers of Jim Jones' Jonestown - only problem for them is - THEY'RE ALL DEAD! I don't have to drink the IB Kool Aid to KNOW the difference between knowledge and propaganda.
ObserverNY 2 months ago
@ObserverNY
I never intended on arguing, but oh well. It's funny how a teenager, who possesses far greater critical thinking skills finds humor in your recent statement. You obviously do not know the difference between knowledge and propaganda. What makes it even more hilarious, is that your nation, contains the most propaganda, and is the only successful nation to achieve a great amount of followers in their false claims. Open your eyes, you've just made everyone who takes AP looked down upon.
rushrosell 2 months ago in playlist Favorite videos
@rushrosell - "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." ~Ghandi
Laugh away. Time will reveal all truths.
ObserverNY 2 months ago
@ObserverNY I'm not arguing about the AP system being superior than IB. Do not categorize me with people that have made direct arguments towards the subject itself. I am arguing on the fact that you have misinterpreted our system to a great extent. If you think you are winning an argument about misinterpreting information, go ahead. It's a useless argument to win, and so is this. The IB students have always respected the AP. But the claims from you, have changed them. Greatly.
rushrosell 2 months ago 2
@rushrosell - I speak for no one other than myself. While many of my readers may agree with me on some or all of my points, I would never be so presumptuous as to claim to know what what they "respect" or whether their views have changed. Yet, merely because you take IB, you feel empowered to make such a baseless and empty claim. Humility seems to be alarmingly absent from your "programming".
ObserverNY 2 months ago
@ObserverNY Wait wait wait. "many of my readers". Why is it I don't see any of them?
LiveAndDieWithMusic 2 months ago
"If you compare the ALevels and AP tariff points on the UCAS table, you will find that ONLY IBDP scores between 38-45 are given a higher award. The IBDP is awarded with a score as low as 24. In my district, the DP 'mean' score is '29' - hardly Harvard or Oxford material."
It means that the people in your district need to work harder. AP is more flexible, agreed. Your knowledge of how AP is better is simply based on the intelligence and willingness to work. Hard workers achieve more with IB.
LiveAndDieWithMusic 2 months ago
@touchyreviewer
@ObserverNY
I personally feel that the IB is so much better than AP and is only overlooked by the US when it comes to university applications. You look around and see the UK schools and the Canadian schools. They are so much more accepting to IB as compared to AP. The reasons for AP being more accepting to AP is because the universities that you named are state schools. State schools need to be more accepting to American public schools because that is public school teaching
xSkendox 2 months ago
@xSkendox - The first set of IB exams were administered in 1970. IB has had over 40 years to vet its exams with U.S. universities. Instead of doing the difficult leg work which the College Board conducted to have its product recognized by college admissions officers. IB has relied on hearsay, self-praise and the paid-for promotion of its product by Jay Mathews of the Washington Post. Why don't you explain why there are only 11 IB schools in all of France, if IB is so great?
ObserverNY 2 months ago
And based on your argument, I am assuming that your logic is deduced off the fact that "global warming is all a lie". You also assume that the whole entire IB grading is linear, and that achieving a 45 is twice as hard as achieving a 23. Its quite easy to get something lower than 30, and therefore it is not considered in admissions, while someone obtaining a 45 will hold a higher value in comparison to someone who gets 5s on all his subjects in AP.
LiveAndDieWithMusic 2 months ago
You do know what the I in IB stands for right? Yes, its for the word "International". Does this mean that its better in a specific country? No. You are basing all of your logic off a single country, and for that matter, most of the state schools. IB isn't made for a specific country, and therefore while exceptions like the US may occur, globally it is recognized, and even in the US is IB recognized as a higher education system than AP.
LiveAndDieWithMusic 2 months ago 2
@LiveAndDieWithMusic - 40% of all of the IB programmes sold in the world are in the U.S. IB is "college-prep", AP is "college-level". IB is NOT recognized as a "higher education system" than AP in the U.S. - IB is a non-transparent, expensive, superfluous, proprietary program and can't stand on its own merit in the US without making kids take the AP exams in ADDITION to IB!
ObserverNY 2 months ago
your argument about college credit is ignorant and only looks at US colleges. The fact the the IB is INTERNATIONAL is completely ignored in this lady's argument .If you look at it, the IB is a better preparation for college as it provides not only a well rounded student that makes them think about the world critically (TOK, CAS), but also prepares them effectively in writing college level essays (extended essay could almost be considered a thesis)
touchyreviewer 3 months ago
@touchyreviewer - Before calling me ignorant, I suggest you go look at the UCAS tariff table and the admissions qualifications for Oxford/Cambridge. If you don't have a 38 or higher on the IBDP, you're bum out of luck.
ObserverNY 3 months ago
@ObserverNY but this is oxford and cambridge you are looking at, which are two of the top universities in the world. In fact 38, while an impressive grade, is actually quite attainable for students who should be eligible for oxford (eg you could get all 6s and 3 bonus points). Doesn't that lower point expectation suggest that they recognize that the IB is a rigorous program?
touchyreviewer 2 months ago
@touchyreviewer - If you compare the ALevels and AP tariff points on the UCAS table, you will find that ONLY IBDP scores between 38-45 are given a higher award. The IBDP is awarded with a score as low as 24. In my district, the DP 'mean' score is '29' - hardly Harvard or Oxford material.
ObserverNY 2 months ago
@ObserverNY I find that your arguments are based on getting college credits, which is a very materialistic point of view on education. Education's purpose should be to prepare us for the world as well as to excite a learning attitude for students to take with them through life to keep on growing as a person? If IB is claimed to give lower college credit than AP, why is it the fastest growing diploma program at the moment? It must be for the above reason.
touchyreviewer 2 months ago
@touchyreviewer - not just on college credits but as a qualifier for ADMISSION to university. For example, Harvard or Columbia are not going to award an IB student sophomore status (as IB oft promotes) for merely earning an IB Diploma with a score of 26. Chances are, the student wouldn't even be considered for admission.
ObserverNY 2 months ago
@ObserverNY I see that you are often choosing high ranked schools for your arguments. Of course you need higher than 26 to get into the top universities, its just common sense. What I was talking about was the value of the program on impacting the students life and making them more critically thinking, cultured people. The college credits is just a bonus to that value.
touchyreviewer 2 months ago
@ObserverNY UCAS actually awards more points for lower IB points than seemingly 'higher' A level scores.
yepilovecheese 2 months ago
@touchyreviewer - ohhhhh, so you want to pose a teleological argument, do you? The International in IB refers to adherence to UNESCO/Agenda 21 political activism and junk global warming "science". IB is unconstitutional and must be removed from our American public schools.
ObserverNY 2 months ago
@ObserverNY ok i give up, if you're going to start talking about IB "brainwashing" children with socialist values or whatever, I am not going to bother with you
touchyreviewer 2 months ago
@touchyreviewer - I have proof. Go to the Breaking News page on Truth About IB. IB source documents. See what IB requires its teachers to be trained in - Earth Charter, Agenda 21, UNESCO values ..... it's all there. You give up because you can't face the truth.
ObserverNY 2 months ago
@ObserverNY my father is an IB coordinator at my school and he doesn't believe his training was indoctrination. As someone in the IB, I believe that it actually promotes good international values, something right wing americans need more of.
touchyreviewer 2 months ago
@touchyreviewer - LOL! Of COURSE your father doesn't believe he was indoctrinated by IB or that he has clearly helped to bias YOU against America's fundamental values and principles. Who the hell is IB to tell anyone they need "more good international values"???? (UN values).
ObserverNY 2 months ago
@ObserverNY I am not biased against american values because of the IB, in fact I could see the flaws in (i'm generalizing here) most american values before i even took the IB or he got the job of IB coordinator. There is a reason why americans have a reputation of being considered "ignorant" to much of the international community. Your comment embodies this by essentially claiming that US values are the best and are what the whole world should revolve around.
touchyreviewer 2 months ago
ib is better than ap
iamthepackattack 3 months ago
@iamthepackattack - Is that you Bill Ayers? LOL
ObserverNY 3 months ago
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paulsbuchman 3 months ago
Why are you so against IB? You are just judging something that you know nothing about. Have you taken any IB classes? Have you taken AP classes? What is your problem with IB, because nothing you have said here is valid.
First, many more colleges than you have cared to admit, accept IB credit.
Second, do some more research and realize there are more programs apart from the DP. Third, do you hear yourself speak? "any university i know of," Do some research, and stop judging what you don't know.
paulsbuchman 3 months ago
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paulsbuchman 3 months ago
I have 1 child that went through the IB program and 1 child that took all AP courses, and I can assure you (both of my children agree) that IB is definitely more rigorous than AP. They take the equivalent of seven AP courses, and in addition, have to write several 2 or 3 thousand word assessments for each class, have 200 hours of mandatory Creative, Action, or Service hours, have to write a four-thousand word extended essay, + have exams after two years that are almost entirely essay based.
paulsbuchman 3 months ago
mandatory community service, excessive amounts of writing about nothing and subjective exams assessed by foreign examiners may be "rigorous", but it does not necessarily produce a better educated student. And that's 150 hrs, not 200, 6 courses (3 SL, 3 HL) + TOK, so only 3 are the college-level equivalent of AP as MOST U.S. universities do not recognize IB SL exams for college credit
ObserverNY 3 months ago
@ObserverNY In addition to the 150 hours in Junior and Senior years, there are 100 hours done Freshman and Sophmore years for many US schools. So your right, its not 200, its 250. "Excessive amounts of writing about nothing" is actually writing research papers similar to what i wrote when I went to college. This helps to prepare students for College, when many have never written a Thesis before. TOK is still a class (3SL+3HL+1TOK = 7 Classes) I guess you have to go through IB to solve that.
paulsbuchman 3 months ago
@paulsbuchman - your claim of "100 hours in Freshman and Sophmore [sic] " years is not only baseless, it has absolutely nothing to do with the IBDP. Furthermore, you claimed the DP equaled 7 AP's - there is no TOK equivalent in AP and it is not recognized for college credit by any U I know of with the exception of Barnard. Most U's only recognize IB HL exams for credit, 2 yr. courses for which a student could have studied twice as many AP courses.
ObserverNY 3 months ago
Hello - would you mind to list the 4 colleges that prefer IB over AP?
BeatlesFanNumber9 3 months ago
Soooo basically the IB programme makes you a better person, while AP just gives you credit.... I would take IB any day
DAmastr8 3 months ago 12
@DAmastr8 - That's right. The NWO will consider you a much better Borg if you take IB - while with AP, you will actually gain knowledge and individual self-reliance.
ObserverNY 3 months ago
@georgenolovich - Very good. I wanted to see what kind of response I would get if I threw some "PC" garbage back at you. You get a gold star George. ;-)
ObserverNY 4 months ago