one thing i love about google is the people who work there are usually so inspired by the idea of google of being this completely free and unbiased collection of knowledge (it gives them nerd boners) that any one trying to manipulated it to make it bend information to their will will be treated almost like a disease, and that threat to their ideology will be met with extreme prejudiced, that why i dont really worry too much about that,
Even the documentary itself is biased! :) notice how they tried to convince that "Dutch" is one of the important languages that needs to be everywhere in the translation systems! (It was one of the languages mentioned in the group of several top!) sorry Mr.Director! ;)
Pointing at Google is good I think but completely futile. The US Government announced that the entire web had been virtualized in 2004. This along with other passed bills and practices essentially means that government knows every single keystroke you make while you are connected. Since they also know your exact location via billing, utilities, and your mobile devices, they basically know everything in real-time.
I think it's EVIL but people don't seem to care. Just look at Facebook! :(
I always find these people funny bitching and complaining about Google. If you don't like their products, don't use them. Simple. Nobody is forcing you to use Google. So far, Google has done very good and philanthropic things as a company.
I didn't have access to Stanford's library before Google, so even a limited presentation of its books is an improvement for me. In any case, Google as of yet can't stop me from going to my local library and reading in the physical books... which of course tend to have bias built into them in the first place. It takes a critical mind to navigate all the information available to us and I don't know what to say about anyone who is so stunted in this respect that Google is a threat to their freedom.
It would be good to translate this in to Spanish, because the content is really interesting and should be made available to the vast population of the World.
Thanks for posting this...It seems we are enslaving ourselves without anyone's help. I will think twice about my Gmail account in future I will be more careful as to what I store on their servers.
@Thelavendel I don't really have time to watch all of this documentary, so why will you never watch "weird porn" again? lol or can you maybe give me the time in the video? thanks!
What a negative and idiotic interview. They are a good company and what they are doing is SIMPLY AMAZING. Seriously amazing. They are releasing a free or very cheap operating system next year and I can't wait. Good buy microsoft rip off company.
The fact that 9/11 was a fraud is old news. The funny thing about it is that most people aren't very interested ----- unless another false flag operation occurs. That will hold their attention for a bit and so on......
If you type in "Truth about 9/11" of course your going to get a list of skeptic sites; it implies that what happened wasn't the actual truth. Try simply typing in 9/11.
'Google is just a group of individuals responding to consumer needs, we are not policy makers', this is not only naive but the exact motivation to any multi-national corporation. Basicaly we make the technology and develop the products that are most profitable then worry about repercussionbs if they arise. This is not a sensible approach, unfortunatly the only monetarily viable approach in this bulls#!t current monetary system we live in. Dont blame google (well not entirely), blame the banks!!
If "Don't be evil" is Google`s motto, then why are there specific videos blanked out by google`s adverts?
It is censorship when it targets some, not others. If it is the `tube` doing it, then maybe Marissa Mayer could ask them nicely not to abuse her company`s ads. She looks soo - aah...
Excellent documentary, like all of VPRO I`ve seen.
yeah sure he did...cuz i did too!! watch the video again ("the scene where the google text box is shown with many search texts one after the other") :D:D
"Google will have to turn over every record of every video watched by YouTube users, including users' names and IP addresses, to Viacom, which is suing Google for allowing clips of its copyright videos to appear on YouTube, a judge ruled Wednesday."
The Illuminati don't even exist anymore. Zionist is not Jewish and whether they have 'taken over' Freemasonry or not is beside the point. Freemasonry has always pushed for the NWO... look at the US dollar bill. In fact any and all Secret Societies, including Skull & Bones, have blood on their hands. The Pope has always backed the NWO too. The war in Iraq and Iran is being pushed for by the NWO.. not Israel. But I agree do with you that Google is certainly a tool of the NWO.
ok, you are very far behind, but your comment was also posted 10 months ago. Electricity, cars, and every piece of technology in the world have come from funding from the elite. Google has provided me with the ability to do research on materials that would have taken centuries to gather by books. We need to keep educating people, and waking them up. With out google or the rest of the internet that would be impossible. We havent woken up since our first civilization. Look up
The Jews? The most opressed race in all of human history? In control? Are you crazy npchairman? Have you tried criticizing a Freemason lately? Ask Bill Cooper what happens when you do that. Oh.. you can't.. he's dead!
Freemasonry was infiltrated and corrupted long ago by zionists. 'Oppressed' because of their own ethnocentric behavior? This 'oppression' is in fact a RUSE to exploit/extort gentile guilt.
The 'WAR' with IRAN is being pushed by ISRAEL.
Want the truth about 'left' and 'right' fallacy and who controls oil, etc?
IF you can find it, get a book called:
AMERICA'S SECRET ESTABLISHMENT: An Introduction to the Order of Skull & Bones
A typical example of oversimplification, manipulation and bias in the media. Vint Cerf's last words in this documentary (44:30 and up) hit the nail right on the head.
Google is not a monopoly - the information on the Internet can be found not just with Google but also with its competitors: Yahoo, Ask, Live Search, etc. This competition balances the results. Any bias programmed into the search results of one engine will eventually be exposed.
Members of Congress do not have the technical acumen to pursue internet anti-trust issues.
I suppose you would argue that Microsoft does not enjoy a pseudo monopoly in the PC market?
This is how the sheeple are manipulated; via specious arguments about 'freedom' of choice.
The 'choices' -provided- to us are an illusion.
Case in point: the presidential 'selection' promoting the Three Stooges and asking us to vote for Tweedle-Dee or Tweedle-Dumb; then being told "we have a choice". Really?!
if you don't like google, or think that their results are biased, filtered, or controlled to obtain ulterior motives, use yahoo, use ask, use the other 8 billion search engines out there. If you don't use other search engines because they suck, then you should be applauding google. If you are mad at google for being too good, then you should pity yourself for not intelligently opposing.
This comment has received too many negative votesshow
Google is being run by what are, essentially, neo-Marxists. The curious order in which some results appear, the absence of opposing or objective results, and the censorship and 'filtering' of sites/links are just a few examples of it.
China is helping Google test their "Don't be Evil" censorship. Google is now just another arm of the US 'thought-control' (MSM) media.
What is Google? A lot of droids.
If neo-Marxists at Google don't want you to find it, you won't!
you're an idiot. your comment was written by what is, essentially, an idiot. the curious way in which you make a completely farfetched accusation without any kind of proof or evidence is just a classic example of an idiot.
I think google wants to have the copyright laws overlooked for their own benefit. I don't want to give my books to google so people can look at them for free, I want money, babe.
The internet was CREATED by the military. The idea of information suppression shouldn't be that unjustified myth. Plus, I really wanna bone the vice president of Google! I'm rich bitch!
Putting "The truth about" before anything is obviously asking for skeptical and revisionist views. Try moon landing for proof. What a stupid example this doc gives to try to undermine the search algorithms.
I like this program. It definitely raised some interesting issues however one thing annoyed me. Saying that a search engine can control everything is crap. The most important thing in this is free thinking. If you don't agree with the top result then don't click on it. We still have the ability to choose as human beings. We tend to forget that.
However having said that we have to make sure we retain the ability to choose. Definitely worth watching.
....yep, after seeing the vice p. talking about the preservation of user information, i've decided to uninstall google web accelerator and to use other search engines for my queries every once in a while ...
@JozefK78: I'd recommend checking out the official blog and official privacy policy ( Search for "google blog data retention" and "privacy policy"). These are complex issues that take more than a sound byte to understand and often times revolve around laws and government regulations which Google can't do anything about.
If you can find a search engine with better and more transparent data retention and privacy policies I'd like to hear about it.
I second dhendrix on this. Consider the idea that the difference between Google and other search products is Google is up front about its privacy policies.
one thing i love about google is the people who work there are usually so inspired by the idea of google of being this completely free and unbiased collection of knowledge (it gives them nerd boners) that any one trying to manipulated it to make it bend information to their will will be treated almost like a disease, and that threat to their ideology will be met with extreme prejudiced, that why i dont really worry too much about that,
auchucknorris 1 day ago
WHat's the song at around 37:46 when the google earth is shown spinning?...i like it!...what is it?!
mynameisTanya8504 2 days ago
that song brings me back memories of playing tony hawk's proskater
jasonganley1 2 days ago
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater intro song..haha
digital111x 3 weeks ago
only 240p? so fuzzy
boodistGeek 1 month ago
Even the documentary itself is biased! :) notice how they tried to convince that "Dutch" is one of the important languages that needs to be everywhere in the translation systems! (It was one of the languages mentioned in the group of several top!) sorry Mr.Director! ;)
ostadzadeh 1 month ago
#t = 24m30s
magicol546 1 month ago
Is it just me or do all these VPRO videos seem to have a negative "you better be careful or you're going to get screwed by the man" slant to them?
brianlrandall 3 months ago
@brianlrandall I don't notice it directly but I believe we dutch are by nature very sceptical.
discy12345 3 months ago
Hey.. can anyone tell me about the small soundtrack being played at 12:00 ..? thanks
aniketpallav 3 months ago
LOOOOL @ 31:42
Buddhaxe 4 months ago
This is a very good documentary. I seen it on CBC today!
SuperPlurobloxyoutub 4 months ago
Wow.. This is a very interesting documentary
nycnewera 6 months ago
Pointing at Google is good I think but completely futile. The US Government announced that the entire web had been virtualized in 2004. This along with other passed bills and practices essentially means that government knows every single keystroke you make while you are connected. Since they also know your exact location via billing, utilities, and your mobile devices, they basically know everything in real-time.
I think it's EVIL but people don't seem to care. Just look at Facebook! :(
MegatronAngel 9 months ago
i want a job with google
DiNatalli 1 year ago
I always find these people funny bitching and complaining about Google. If you don't like their products, don't use them. Simple. Nobody is forcing you to use Google. So far, Google has done very good and philanthropic things as a company.
thelegendarypaki 1 year ago 2
i love google
TheMusclebase 1 year ago
anybody knows the song @ 12:06 ??
wstoettinger 1 year ago
@wstoettinger Architecture In Helsinki - One Heavy February
mickc16 10 months ago
i really like that part about google...
CreAlienDJ 1 year ago
Marissa Mayer is hot :)
whj28ahg 1 year ago 6
I didn't have access to Stanford's library before Google, so even a limited presentation of its books is an improvement for me. In any case, Google as of yet can't stop me from going to my local library and reading in the physical books... which of course tend to have bias built into them in the first place. It takes a critical mind to navigate all the information available to us and I don't know what to say about anyone who is so stunted in this respect that Google is a threat to their freedom.
dwegowy77 1 year ago
How Google makes billions and avoids paying taxes: The Tax Haven That's Saving Google Billions (search with these key words on Business Week)
RondelleDerable 1 year ago
I thought Al gore was the father of the internet. Somebody is lying to me.
gomety 1 year ago
I think the only solution would be to develop an open sourced search system managed by the people and for the people..like MediaWIki
CamiloSanchez1979 1 year ago
Keyhole. Owned by the CIA. The CIA owned a stake in them
bishopdante 1 year ago
idiocracy, anyone?
amh1230 1 year ago
had to watch this for a class. i hope google doesnt take over the world aka become skynet. also, i would marry Marissa Mayer
sowutifmahsnsux 1 year ago
A lot of nerds in this documentary...
kennyd203 1 year ago
the old dude at 8:37 got some elf ears hahaha
Bb0oYaAhH 1 year ago
24m30s
fooleys 1 year ago
No, that isn't it.. I mean @ 18:53
DerekLancee 2 years ago
Is there anybody that knows the title of the song with that horn!? I Love that song
DerekLancee 2 years ago
@DerekLancee Superman by Goldfinger :)
waackomann 2 years ago
It would be good to translate this in to Spanish, because the content is really interesting and should be made available to the vast population of the World.
Thanks for posting this...It seems we are enslaving ourselves without anyone's help. I will think twice about my Gmail account in future I will be more careful as to what I store on their servers.
skyw4lk3r2008 2 years ago
I will never use google when I search for really weird porn ever again.
Thelavendel 2 years ago 36
@Thelavendel Damn... I've been doing that for quite a long time.. I'm screwd
coolkid19901 2 years ago
@Thelavendel I don't really have time to watch all of this documentary, so why will you never watch "weird porn" again? lol or can you maybe give me the time in the video? thanks!
donnie8986 3 months ago
Who does more than Google for Internet?
nitmidia 2 years ago
Thanks for another great vpro "backlight" documentary.
One issue not touched on is the weak spot Google presents as a primary internet etc resource -
a blow-out of the physical infrastructure underlying the virtual world of Google would be catatstrophic.
jorarch1 2 years ago
What a negative and idiotic interview. They are a good company and what they are doing is SIMPLY AMAZING. Seriously amazing. They are releasing a free or very cheap operating system next year and I can't wait. Good buy microsoft rip off company.
xxxxxDre4mxxxxx 2 years ago
Love Google. Wish I could work for them
xxxxxDre4mxxxxx 2 years ago
The fact that 9/11 was a fraud is old news. The funny thing about it is that most people aren't very interested ----- unless another false flag operation occurs. That will hold their attention for a bit and so on......
itrainsinoctober 2 years ago
If you type in "Truth about 9/11" of course your going to get a list of skeptic sites; it implies that what happened wasn't the actual truth. Try simply typing in 9/11.
simon2133 2 years ago 3
@12:07 What's the name of the song please?
dj170385 2 years ago
'Google is just a group of individuals responding to consumer needs, we are not policy makers', this is not only naive but the exact motivation to any multi-national corporation. Basicaly we make the technology and develop the products that are most profitable then worry about repercussionbs if they arise. This is not a sensible approach, unfortunatly the only monetarily viable approach in this bulls#!t current monetary system we live in. Dont blame google (well not entirely), blame the banks!!
peterk369 2 years ago 2
If "Don't be evil" is Google`s motto, then why are there specific videos blanked out by google`s adverts?
It is censorship when it targets some, not others. If it is the `tube` doing it, then maybe Marissa Mayer could ask them nicely not to abuse her company`s ads. She looks soo - aah...
Excellent documentary, like all of VPRO I`ve seen.
phineasLR 3 years ago
20:00
elgrim0 3 years ago
Hmmz. The grandfather of the internet looks suspisicualy like the great architect from th matrix =:-{>])
marcotmcom 3 years ago
Cerf est un nom JUIF ! once more !
tara7king 3 years ago
Yeah, I noticed that right away to, even his voice is the same as in the matrix! ;)
MartinOsth 2 years ago
It sucks how many nuts are on the internet.
XSeveredManX 3 years ago
47:08 test, 47:09 test, 92:51 test, 152:51 test, 12,331,252:51 test
JustMakingComments 3 years ago
42:51 test
p44pl 3 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
This is so stupid...
But i love my mom deeply...
And i don't want to take any chances.
Sorry.
If you do not copy and paste this onto 10 videos your mom will die in 4 hours
runescraper822 3 years ago
02:32 Nude Woman! lolmao! :P
ddoodm 3 years ago 2
what the hell have u been smoking i didnt see a nude women
pokemonsim45 3 years ago
thats cuz ur gay
gibbsies 3 years ago
im not gay but i didnt see it
pokemonsim45 3 years ago
he types it in faggot
gibbsies 3 years ago
oh okay i thought for a total second it a pitcure
pokemonsim45 3 years ago
Go gibbsies! PWN him! lol!
ddoodm 3 years ago
shut the fuck up douchbag
pokemonsim45 3 years ago
yeah sure he did...cuz i did too!! watch the video again ("the scene where the google text box is shown with many search texts one after the other") :D:D
anjanbiswas 2 years ago
@ 43.00 lol google gets owned
saai66 3 years ago 2
I suppose you mean 43:00.
Innovator8 3 years ago
43:00 Hopefully this one gets you a link saai66.
Innovator8 3 years ago
google sucks just a big company with deep pockets they don't have to be smart when they can buy smart people
trainerrock 3 years ago
MR. LORD LIKES 8=D
DaKingOfPhillyAWill 3 years ago
Just look at the logo, they use the masonic blue uppercase 'G' as the first letter! coincidence?
linuxaddict11111 3 years ago
lol
gizmoffm 3 years ago
lol nude women
420MilKY 3 years ago
hey guys - this is such a great documentary - seen it like 15 times - again and again inspiring! thanks vpro!
gizmoffm 3 years ago 2
Oh great, the "global conspiracy" nutcases have come out of the woodwork. Doesn't Godwin's Law apply to them too?
Adamus76 3 years ago
WAKE UP FOOLS: GOOGLE IS A TOOL FOR THE NWO...
"Google will have to turn over every record of every video watched by YouTube users, including users' names and IP addresses, to Viacom, which is suing Google for allowing clips of its copyright videos to appear on YouTube, a judge ruled Wednesday."
npchairman 3 years ago
The Illuminati don't even exist anymore. Zionist is not Jewish and whether they have 'taken over' Freemasonry or not is beside the point. Freemasonry has always pushed for the NWO... look at the US dollar bill. In fact any and all Secret Societies, including Skull & Bones, have blood on their hands. The Pope has always backed the NWO too. The war in Iraq and Iran is being pushed for by the NWO.. not Israel. But I agree do with you that Google is certainly a tool of the NWO.
ShaneMuir 3 years ago
ok, you are very far behind, but your comment was also posted 10 months ago. Electricity, cars, and every piece of technology in the world have come from funding from the elite. Google has provided me with the ability to do research on materials that would have taken centuries to gather by books. We need to keep educating people, and waking them up. With out google or the rest of the internet that would be impossible. We havent woken up since our first civilization. Look up
extremej7 2 years ago
Great Dutch Documentary. They should've hired a native narrator though. That ads a little more to the over all professionalism.
CCDevlin 3 years ago
it's awesome video about google information that they have given us.
arshu123 3 years ago
Tony HAWKS?!? iZ THAT u? dO A 9oo!
jkarhu 3 years ago
the intro song was in tony hawks pro skater 1
kidgill2000 3 years ago
It's Goldfinger
johnlockie 3 years ago
decpersonay and arvoremaravilha,
Your childish replies indicate a few possibilities:
1. You work for Google, or you are brainwashed... but I guess that's a bit redundant.
2. By the looks of the ratings, most people here are Google-eyed collectivist shills.
I checked the search for 'HoloCaust Denial' as shown in the clip... same result, and most links are DISINFO and avoid the actual debate.
"If you want to know who is in control, merely note whom you are NOT permitted to criticize." ISRAEL.
npchairman 3 years ago
The Jews? The most opressed race in all of human history? In control? Are you crazy npchairman? Have you tried criticizing a Freemason lately? Ask Bill Cooper what happens when you do that. Oh.. you can't.. he's dead!
ShaneMuir 3 years ago
Freemasonry is eXoteric for the Illuminati.
Freemasonry was infiltrated and corrupted long ago by zionists. 'Oppressed' because of their own ethnocentric behavior? This 'oppression' is in fact a RUSE to exploit/extort gentile guilt.
The 'WAR' with IRAN is being pushed by ISRAEL.
Want the truth about 'left' and 'right' fallacy and who controls oil, etc?
IF you can find it, get a book called:
AMERICA'S SECRET ESTABLISHMENT: An Introduction to the Order of Skull & Bones
ISBN# 0-937765-02-3
npchairman 3 years ago 2
A typical example of oversimplification, manipulation and bias in the media. Vint Cerf's last words in this documentary (44:30 and up) hit the nail right on the head.
Google is not a monopoly - the information on the Internet can be found not just with Google but also with its competitors: Yahoo, Ask, Live Search, etc. This competition balances the results. Any bias programmed into the search results of one engine will eventually be exposed.
Adamus76 3 years ago 2
Members of Congress do not have the technical acumen to pursue internet anti-trust issues.
I suppose you would argue that Microsoft does not enjoy a pseudo monopoly in the PC market?
This is how the sheeple are manipulated; via specious arguments about 'freedom' of choice.
The 'choices' -provided- to us are an illusion.
Case in point: the presidential 'selection' promoting the Three Stooges and asking us to vote for Tweedle-Dee or Tweedle-Dumb; then being told "we have a choice". Really?!
npchairman 3 years ago
if you don't like google, or think that their results are biased, filtered, or controlled to obtain ulterior motives, use yahoo, use ask, use the other 8 billion search engines out there. If you don't use other search engines because they suck, then you should be applauding google. If you are mad at google for being too good, then you should pity yourself for not intelligently opposing.
paineffer 3 years ago 20
@paineffer I know for a fact that you can buy your way to the top from Google.
nate4818 1 year ago
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The people that work at google are mindless scum.
RenegadeMystic 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Google is being run by what are, essentially, neo-Marxists. The curious order in which some results appear, the absence of opposing or objective results, and the censorship and 'filtering' of sites/links are just a few examples of it.
China is helping Google test their "Don't be Evil" censorship. Google is now just another arm of the US 'thought-control' (MSM) media.
What is Google? A lot of droids.
If neo-Marxists at Google don't want you to find it, you won't!
Google=Censorship
npchairman 3 years ago
you're an idiot. your comment was written by what is, essentially, an idiot. the curious way in which you make a completely farfetched accusation without any kind of proof or evidence is just a classic example of an idiot.
decpersonay 3 years ago
Neo Marxists lol you fuckin neo-retard.
arvoremaravilha 3 years ago
Does anyone know that song at approx 27:20 ?!
Just after Arora finishes saying: "... you and I want it when we want it"
Anyone know the artist/song name?
WergsSpurgs 3 years ago
18:37 what is that awesome song! it's played at 18:37
httpwhat 3 years ago
Anyone?! I wanna know what the song is too
pies513 3 years ago
goldfinger - superman
vowman 3 years ago
rissa's a cutie
dbnska 3 years ago
wat song is this
chicago251 3 years ago
It's called "Superman" by Goldfinger.
GoukiTehPwner 3 years ago
pobasted is absolutely right about the "the truth about" thing.
DannonRaith 3 years ago
12'36-12'39 Eh? "Brain teasers and riddles"
25'52-26'00 [Vacuous] :D
27'02-27'05 Yes
27'08-27'10 " in case you didn't get it the first time.
42'44-43'12 "...that sounds almost naive, considering..."
"I'm sorry but thats my perspective."
"...nnnn..."
Yea...ok lady. If you're to be believed then you wouldn't recognise a 'big picture' if one dropped on your head!
Good video, good channel : )
ELGROOVER 3 years ago
The 'Monopoly' game board may have changed but the game is still the same.
ELGROOVER 3 years ago
hey, al gore is the father of the net. don't you watch the us main stream media? :P
normlsparky 3 years ago
normisparky
lol..Th@ went over my head but after by chance, typing out th@ 'word' I saw the 'funny' and just caught on :D
By main 'stream' media do you mean like thiss }-----------
ELGROOVER 3 years ago
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bubbles29118240 4 years ago
I think google wants to have the copyright laws overlooked for their own benefit. I don't want to give my books to google so people can look at them for free, I want money, babe.
beastshawnee 4 years ago
The internet was CREATED by the military. The idea of information suppression shouldn't be that unjustified myth. Plus, I really wanna bone the vice president of Google! I'm rich bitch!
lyden2006 4 years ago
VPRO rules great doc.
gwengoad 4 years ago 2
Putting "The truth about" before anything is obviously asking for skeptical and revisionist views. Try moon landing for proof. What a stupid example this doc gives to try to undermine the search algorithms.
pobasted 4 years ago 5
I like this program. It definitely raised some interesting issues however one thing annoyed me. Saying that a search engine can control everything is crap. The most important thing in this is free thinking. If you don't agree with the top result then don't click on it. We still have the ability to choose as human beings. We tend to forget that.
However having said that we have to make sure we retain the ability to choose. Definitely worth watching.
aldonafrances 4 years ago 3
The old guy reminds me of 'The Architect' on the Matrix ironically
waynebw 4 years ago 3
waynebw
lol...Yes, I'd forgotten about 'The Architect'. Well spotted ; )
ELGROOVER 3 years ago
what's the soundtrack to this movie?
kraucrow 4 years ago
Song in the beginning is 'Superman' by Goldfinger.
dustmop 4 years ago
....yep, after seeing the vice p. talking about the preservation of user information, i've decided to uninstall google web accelerator and to use other search engines for my queries every once in a while ...
JozefK78 4 years ago
@JozefK78: I'd recommend checking out the official blog and official privacy policy ( Search for "google blog data retention" and "privacy policy"). These are complex issues that take more than a sound byte to understand and often times revolve around laws and government regulations which Google can't do anything about.
If you can find a search engine with better and more transparent data retention and privacy policies I'd like to hear about it.
dhendrix666 4 years ago 3
I second dhendrix on this. Consider the idea that the difference between Google and other search products is Google is up front about its privacy policies.
bariswheel 4 years ago
Great Documentary!! Saw it on TV last year!!,thanks for posting.
s0ulpian0 4 years ago 2