Metagame Minute Ep1: Metaknight's 0 to Death / メタナイト無限の新しい

[asianbronyman]

@speedtime1298 MK doesn't care what he has to do to win a match.

[asianbronyman]

@19524DNS Unless you can say they can be Mk too. Problem solved. Then stilt spam XD

[asianbronyman]

@louman7777777 It appears everywhere. You can't hide from it.

[19524DNS]

nobody wants to play with me if i am metaknight =C

[JeanMarcKawas]

Metaknight is a Raper!!!

[CloneHat]

Lol jab locks I remember Brawl

[Relaxing39s]

Omg this is the most badass looking lock i've ever seen in brawl, especially the forward roll buffer turnaround dtilt to buffer forward roll to d tilt, meta knight is so cool haha

[speedtime1298]

So basically, Meta knight's Down Tilt can stab opponents in the balls with his sword....

How interesting

[ZxenosFE]

Song: Blue Marine - ParagonX9.

[TheWaffles13]

like MK wasn't broken enough...

[louman7777777]

Friday is related videos?

[duude1991]

this is a zero to death in brawl? jesus fucking christ this was the most boring video i've ever seen in my life

[rangingpenguin]

when are we going to ban this character?

[bigpowa]

Oh Meta~

Is there anything you can't do...~

[MrFoxSeckz]

@MeercatMonstro Are you serious? Lol You want more MKs like there have always been? I think its time for the lower tiers to get SOME kind of rep.

[varayable]

@MrFoxSeckz were you born without a sense of irony?

[jayyy36]

@MrFoxSeckz sarcaism duhhh.

[louman7777777]

Friday is in the related videos, maybe because of Metaknight?

[dez135]

@MeercatMonstro idk but meta is top tier and i herd he was band from most tournaments cuz he was so broken

[FusionBlastoise1]

@dez135 LOLOLOL.... he was being sarcastic. And meta is (almost) never banned. He's unquestionably the best character in the game though...

[supersmash43]

@FusionBlastoise1 he takes skill to be good at so it would be prospesterous to ban him.

[SeekHeart]

I tried this but I couldn't get a lock working cause when I hit my opponent just gets up

[soldiviner]

So we go from cementing Meta Knight as an SS tier to downright bolting him down, so even Meta Knight himself couldn't drop in tier placement, even if he sandbagged the shit out of his matches against a Ganondorf.

Just so you know, this isn't surprising.

[PawsOfFate]

Ahahahaa! Oh my...

Good stuff, but man are people gonna rage... Oh wait...

[thewariomanofdoom]

I hate Meta Knight.

[RazzDiamond]

@thewariomanofdoom Haters gonna hate.

[mike2gudd]

I always enjoy the way you edit your videos, vgbc. ^_^

[AmpedArchetype]

Shouldn't it be like... メタナイトの新しい無限 ?

And isn't that wrong anyway, because it's not an infinite?

Wow Brawl sucks

[GodismyRock89]

@AmpedArchetype I just google translated it to something I understood. I don't know how a Japanese player would say 0 to death

[DemonicToonLink]

So here's my problem...

You say we have 26 frames and rolling behind and dtilting takes exactly that? Then why can he also froll, turn around and dtilt, which would take 27 frames?

[GodismyRock89]

@DemonicToonLink If you buffer a pivot into another move it cancels the pivot completely

[DemonicToonLink]

@GodismyRock89 That's really cool to know. I think I'm going to unquit brawl now. Thank you.

[borjitaea]

How I can do Dtilt reverse buffer?

[GodismyRock89]

@borjitaea If you're facing right, press Diagonal down back, let go of it, and then press down on the C-stick

[borjitaea]

@GodismyRock89 I mind I tryed it, but lol, it work as well. Thanks to you.

Btw, music?

[JejuneJesuit]

Falco: "This is Horrible...."

[PlayerPandu]

buffering a roll isn't hard >_> and you don't need to buffer a turnaround dtilt, just a dtilt.

And SDI? apparently buffering f-roll then buffering dtilt will always be able to hit, right, GIMR? so a MK could just do that a billion times in place if he really wanted to. Plus, if he didn't want to, he has a whole 26 frames to hit you. I don't remember what frame the hitbox of dtilt comes out, but it ain't slow, so he has like 1/3 of a second to get at you... no lightning-fast reflexes required.

[TeeKayDee]

have the people here ever even performed a buffered roll into a buffered turn-around dtilt? those are two of the highest-level buffers in a row

and mk is only "broken" because of the ruleset. what's at fault when players would rather complain about him than vote on new rules? in my area he's just one of single's high tiers...he's god tier in doubles though; but at least his partner's not necessarily mk.

[ShonicTH]

hmm... all I can say is that this reminds me of another broken tech, same difficulty. Only difference is that it's A. in melee and B. Banned. That's right. This is exactly like Wobbling. Only difference is that this is accepted in tourneys as "fair". WTF

[TeeKayDee]

@ShonicTH you can't SDI wobbling

[GodismyRock89]

@ShonicTH Wobbling was not banned at either Apex or Pound which are the last two national melee tournaments that have happened in the US besides ROM3. I don't know what their rule was on it

[ShonicTH]

@GodismyRock89 it's still gay nonetheless. Name one person. ONE PERSON(other than PEEF) that approves of wobbling.

[GodismyRock89]

@ShonicTH I don't need to. I just named two national tournament that approved of Wobbling. I think that's enough

[ShonicTH]

@GodismyRock89 "OMG T.O. AUTOMATICALLY = GOD!". yeah, um... no one likes wobbling. It deserves to be banned. The point isn't that wobbling is banned or should be banned. It's the fact of which this game is just a bunch of wobbling.

[JpegImage08]

Well, I guess it's a little refreshing to see a few combos being done in this game

[TheAmazingSnapple]

what a joke.

[linkoninja]

Doesn't just make Metaknight even shittier to play against?

[supergamer123]

The setup on snake looks so legit, it's crazy. And a little broken too.

[GoldenHeartNeko]

I like how people say you have to be frame perfect and fail to realize that you have 26 frames to do another dtilt, and F Roll + Dtilt is 26 frames, and Brawl has a 10 frame buffer window, meaning you can input all this as early as 1/6th of a second early and it will still happen loool

Frame perfect my ass.

[GodismyRock89]

@GoldenHeartNeko actually it's not as simple as you're trying to make it seem. First of all, for a buffered roll to come out you must hit Forward and R on the exact same frame and then release them on the exact same frame. If you don't he will buffer shield. Secondly in order to buffer d-tilt you have to input down and then down on the c-stick. Buffering reverse d-tilt is even harder.

[chred2akrisp]

@GodismyRock89 I'm going to pretend that was sarcasm, because if you think this is hard, brawl has gotten to your brain and it's too late.

[GodismyRock89]

@chred2akrisp You don't play the game and you're pretending to understand how difficult this is. Mew2king himself said he thought doing this over and over again is more difficult then drill shining some one up against the wall with Fox in Melee

[chred2akrisp]

@GodismyRock89 except that's not hard, not to mention a silly comparison given that isn't actually infinite (can SDI out of it). I was also evaluating what you seemed to think was difficult were the parts like getting the buffer roll (hitting r and the stick and letting go in one frame) as well as the buffered dtilt, and regardless of whether I play the game or not I can determine how difficult that is pretty quicky. Which I did by popping in my brawl disc and successfully replicating this.

[GodismyRock89]

@chred2akrisp I, mean, if Mew2king, one the most technical melee players in the world said this was hard to do. Then I think we can agree that it's hard to do. I really don't feel like arguing with you about this seeing as it really isn't that important

[MatticusJT]

@GoldenHeartNeko the inputs not be frame perfect but the frames must come out not one frame too late

[solecalibur]

@MeercatMonstro This guy

[solecalibur]

be sure to tech.....



[OkamiBW]

Even with smash DI, can't you just do it for the first 40% or so and get the opponent to the edge, let them wake up and charge your Fsmash. If this works, 50%+ and good stage positioning.

[Hoidsa]

You can switch your SDI up, too. For example, he's Dtilting you to the right, and you SDI far to the right and he expects you to continue doing that? Try hard SDI to the left, his Dtilt will miss because he expected you to go right etc. Yes? I can almost guarantee this will never be pulled off in an actual match against an opponent that's decent at SDI.

[Hoidsa]

very interesting, but I doubt I would have a hard time SDI-ing out of this

[ElectroLoungE1]

OMFG MK mother fucker ._.

[Jelley0]

WHY IS METAKNIGHT NOT BANNED YET FUCK COMPETITIVE BRAWL

/caps and my opinion

[Psytheslasher]

goddamn it gimr lol

[KeithTheMongooseKTM]

why.. just why would you guys announce this? doesnt he have enough?

[battousai555]

If your opponent DIs far enough away then this won't work because it takes 1 frame to turn around. Buffered roll->turn around->buffered d-tilt = 27 frames.

[tennokumo]

You should be able to SDI out of it no?

[yttuty]

@tennokumo i guess

[Doomolish]

This is banned on most tournaments, so I couldn't call this metagame.

[Roanoke884]

@Doomolish ummm....this was just recently discovered so..... no, its not banned

[Doomolish]

@Roanoke884 I thought the jab lock was banned.

[Roanoke884]

@Doomolish nope, never has been since its too hard to set up

[kAOOOxD]

@Doomolish nope no locks are banned in tournaments, unless it's a standing infinite.

[Doomolish]

@kAOOOxD This can't be good...

[ThaIrishMafia]

this was neat :3

[MrChow12]

M2k discovered this about a year ago and I have yet to see him use it in tournament. If he hasn't turned this tech into something game-breaking by now, I doubt anyone will...I'll admit it's pretty scary though.

[quenchify]

only the diddy one looks legit. the rest looks like they can di/tech out before the lock.

[jebril]

This is only if they miss a tech.

[mustardpi314]

i don't want to say that brawl is a bad game, but easy infinites like this being the "metagame" is pathetic.

[MCmaniacDBR]

@mustardpi314 if you played this game you'd know it's far from easy

[OmegaSneaky]

I know you guys think this is broken as crap, but for a Metaknight player to implement this into any match would require frame perfect buffers on both the rolls and the Dtilts.

[EternalYoshi]

IMO, non-tumble DI would've helped Brawl more than anything else......

[EternalYoshi]

*Shakes his head sideways*

Are there other characters that can do this?

Judging by the frames of the other character's Front dodges, no.

Zamus comes very close.

To clarify, MK's front roll dodge has 24 frames(WTF Sakurai)

and Zamus's has 28.

[XXXPEACEXXX7]

Greaaaaaaaaaaaaaattttttt Mk gets even Gayer lol good stuff tho

[naughtybro5]

Can we do some cool stuff on OTHER characters? XD

[tranquilizer17]

This is awesome. No i don't play metaknights and i passionately hate playing against them, but I know in tournament if someone got this across the stage and actually perfectly timed and buffered a roll dtilt I wouldn't groan, I'd be really impressed.

[DisasterPiece0302]

@tranquilizer17 Impressed by the easiest 0 to Death ever?

[tranquilizer17]

@DisasterPiece0302

Doesn't look easy (and in my opinion isn't I tried) and I've never seen the roll turnaround before now. I know this is old but it's definitely not commonplace. Either that or you're just in a community that does this sort of thing all the time and never posts videos of it.

[ImKiij]

If only there was a way to change the position of your character during hitlag to get around this... some builtin mechanic that would allow you to shift your character's position by sliding the control stick or "smash"ing the c-stick in the desired direction of travel... oh wait

[TgsMaverick]

Its really hard to pull off too. Realize you have to literally be frame perfect on this.

[TJKuro]

Lmao @ people complaining first of all. Tech the fuckin land. Nearly(if not all dont feel like going back) is techable and seeable so there is no reason u shouldnt be able to tech it. and what esam said u can sdi though considering the choices u have to succeed at this i dont think sdi matters. Also GL buffering that perfect for at least 100%.

"But at high levels they can do that easy" Oh really? If you're playing at that high level and with people that high you should be able to tech it then

[ChurroEmiliano]

If it's going to be a Monday thing, call it, Metagame Minute Mondays :)

and you got my support

[UberStraight]

Don't get locked.

[EpixAura]

So... can we ban MK now?

Lol, this kind of MK crap is why I moved on to P:M.

More importantly, why haven't I heard about this before?

[SlowLobster]

not even rating this vid because its about a broken charecter...

[imESAM]

Um....SDI?

[MonkUnitBrawl]

So the meta game revolves around infinites, locks, spamming, and being overly defensive (as seen in the coming soon part of the vid with D3 spamming spot dodge). Wow, great meta game you guys.

[TheWonderGamer]

Brawl advanced techniques. Funniest thing I heard all day. Brawl vs Melee aside, since the user feels the right to censor us, and just looking at Brawl on its own. That's some bad programming right there. No combat game should have such a cheap/no skill way to win.

[jolbewoner]

No offense but.. You people really want to win by doing this?

I mean c'mon, this is really really low.

[jdvillao]

This is just what we needed, an infinite for the most unfair character in this game...

BTW, GIMR is way good doing this stuff with top tier characters like Diddy, MK,... then, why he always use in MGW in tournaments??

[PsiHeroNess]

OH YEAH BLUE MARINE SICK SONG :P

[Illmatiicc]

omg i laughed SOO hard at this

[Shadowlynk3]

This is already known with all the MK players that are GOOD. But I guess you can make it more known to the masses. =P

[4xzx4]

This makes MK more broken!! -_-

[SSBBKUZCO]

epic

[ThinkingReality]

LOL scrubs calling for this to be banned on GSB.

[Rubberbandman1991]

gj Calvin, keep up the good work. :D

[GeekFuunk]

loooooool, what a well made game!

[yeniths]

just tech

[CrazYVolumE]

yes, don't ban mk.

he isn't broken at all.

[Yoh2704]

@CrazYVolumE

this

[SanoscyXero]

This is awesome! Cept you can SDI it, believe me >_<

[LinkinHand]

oh why give you the metagay players around the world the chance to play their mk even gayer then mk already is omg...

anyway nice vid XD

[XZoneCiderpowered]

smh

[Izaw91]

:)

[Izaw91]

SDI able

[PEEFSMASH]

This is SO SO SO brawl.

This should not be a negative comment for brawl players.

[masteraak001]

tap 2 to clearly see the bird is not the word

[ShippoFFire]

Anyone else notice MK d-tilting in beat to the music in the video?

[StarlingFireBall]

a combo?

A roll?

How retarded.

[YoruTaro]

lol, old stuff is old o3o I saw DSF practicing this back in the first genesis. Hell, you dont even have to take them across the stage. You can just roll back and forth and just keep hitting them with D-tilts to keep them in one spot.

[UsurperKingZant]

BAN

[thetruelie]

Is there no tech in brawl wtf?

[Jocoga]

This isn metagame, just metaknight xD

[luvlatinmamis]

What this means is that we are closer to getting metaknight banned, keep up the good work :) lol

[SexyAltrox]

just when you thought MK couldn't get anymore broken

[BlankMauser]

Why does this remind me of Desk's mvc3 videos?

[Rikana]

@BlankMauser Exactly what I was thinking. Probably the big white texts in the foreground with a blurred background to begin with. And then cue some techno dance song along with the video.

[GodismyRock89]

@BlankMauser I modeled if after his vids, good catch

[GoldenHeartNeko]

@BlankMauser YES. <3

[ShonicTH]

lolmetaknight

[aperfectcreation]

Lucas still has the most reliable jab/dtilt lock

[Tugnus]

This isn't a 0-death. You can tech or SDI backwards out of jab locks. This combined with stale moves (Training mode multiplier is different than normal) makes doing this almost impossible against anyone competent. Metaknight propaganda FTL.

[lightosia]

@Tugnus You can't tech after you've been locked. If you SDI backwards, he can just turn around and hit.

[GodismyRock89]

@Tugnus for one this was not done ins training mode. 2. I already said in the video that if they DI away you can just roll to turn around d-tilt to catch up. 3. facts are not propaganda.

[Tugnus]

@GodismyRock89 You obviously don't know the definition of propaganda.  You posted a video of a technique that is near impossible to use in competitive game play of MK trolling. Of course everyone who sees the video who doesn't have decent knowledge will start whining about MK bans. If you have videos of people pulling this off in actual matches, then I won't call it "propaganda." Also, since I know your assuming it, I main Marth not MK :P

[GodismyRock89]

@Tugnus Propaganda is a form of communication aimed at influencing the attitude of a community toward some cause or position. As opposed to impartially providing information, propaganda in its most basic sense, presents information primarily to influence an audience. I never once said anything in the video that even hinted that this warrants a ban for metaknight. I am against the ban. So run and tell that

[LordEx64]

lol ban metaknight!

[AnakyUK]

Ban Metaknight Yet?

[Redhalberd]

Pretty sure you can SDI out of range of the roll pretty easily. Won't work. And most people always airdodge or tech, regular Dtilt locks rarely ever happen. Not feelin it.

[DarkGea]

Community too lazy to integrate this as a strategy. Almost no footstool setups are used to this day.

[XxEndlessSorrowxX]

Yeah exactly. Showing it is one thing, doing it another.

[TeshNeoteny]

Tilt is down, press it while I'm rolling forward? Metaknight still da bes.

[Rurounikeitaro]

This seems like it is hard to really get off. Not sure if it'll actually become useable in competitive play.

[VideoGameBootCamp]

BTW any comments about Brawl Vs. Melee or complaining about Brawl being a horrible game will be removed. Keep the comments about the actual video and what it means for the metagame, thanks :D

[daKIDgamer]

im so upset that he can roll in the middle of a jab lock.

[tichris93]

if this becomes used i would love to hear their reasoning on not banning him

[thaqiwagee]

awful

[Yojimbo335]

Wolf can do this with his Nair lock too.