I take your point about emaciation, but look more closely. She is not anorexically skinny. Her arms and legs are not thin sticks, her waist is not wasp-like. This is a sexy woman drawing in her tummy to make her rib cage more shadowed and prominent in that unusual lighting. Yes, you can see the well-defined arch of her rib cage, but not her actual ribs. The shadow effect also can be seen with the deep hollow of her left underarm. What do you think?
You're right, ribs are incredibly sexy! I love it when a girl's ribs are clearly visible. And who wants to impregnate a girl in this over populated world anyway? I don't! I would however very much enjoy making love to an insanely skinny woman, that would be hot.
I meant LITERARY criticism in that last post. Anyway, the character poisoned her lover after finding out he was married. You may have noticed that the whole song juxtaposed murder with the sexy tango. Does that mean that Chicago is portraying murder as something that's seductive? That's another far fetched "irresponsible" thing they did, why didn't you pick on that? You obviously feel so indignantly about the glorification of emaciation that you spot it in places where it doesn't exist.
If you're not careful, you're going to start crossing boundaries of polite discussion/debate and actually begin to insult me. Please don't assume I feel indignantly about anything, and please don't accuse me of being irresponsible. Slandering is calling out a specific person in general and criticizing them with no point; in my video satire I was criticizing society with this video as evidence. Furthermore, there are better ways to persuade me than by attacking me.
Also, an interesting point you bring up -- is murder not seductive, or, rather, can't it be? The whole idea of seduction implies being lured to do something you know in your conscience that you shouldn't do, and in that way murder can be very seductive -- an easy solution to a problem with a person. I don't think it would be far-fetched at all to assume that the producers of Chicago wanted to display something as seductive. But just cause it is seductive, again, doesn't make it right.
So, I suppose, following that line of thinking, they could also be showing how emaciation is in fact seductive, but paralleling it to the seduction of murder and in so doing condemning emaciation. Hmm...
Your interpretation is logical too. Just remember, you aren't writing a literally criticism of Chicago here, for which all interpretations are valid. You're accusing the producers of being irresponsible about this serious real world issue. You're being irresponsible yourself in slendering these people based on a shaky subjective interpretation.
I never made any professions to say that my body was perfect. The fact that I am not perfect/do not have the perfect body does not impair my mental ability to see something seriously wrong with the culture that I live in.
What are we to do with movies then? I know that they do provide entertainment value, but why can they not be something more, something else? They are made by humans and therefore they are subconscious psychological references in them that we, I think, should look at to understand ourselves. Even in literary analysis, implications that are completely valid can be made out of one sentence -- why should the same not apply to film?
Sure we should. Just don't get carried away. We really have to examine whether these implications are intended. Like I said, for all you know they're saying something completely different about emaciation by having a vain and manupulative character pose that way. There are a million points of view that you could speculate was portrayed!
It's true, I don't deny it, but is my initial evaluation any less valid than the other points? I, of course, don't think so. But, if I recall correctly, that particular character wasn't vain and/or manipulative (I could be wrong), but she had a (I think) valid reason for killing her husband. Also, that the display of this emaciation took place in a tango which is a sexually charged dance also, I think, speaks to my point.
But why was her choreography that way? To make her look emaciated, methinks. I'm not blaming the dancer/actress or anything of that sort, just commenting on it. That's almost the point. Like, she is thin, but the movie directors/dance choreographers, whoever, made it look like she was thinner than she actually was, in a position that is traditionally erotic, using the lighting to highlight her ribcage.
Yeah, I know emaciation isn't healthy and all. I just think its making something out of nothing to say that these implications can be found in the movie. We see her ribs for like what, 1sec? The lighting was probably the same all along. There are just so many ways you can interpret it; you could say that it shows how emaciation is superficial because the character who does it is an unremorseful murderess who thinks her crime should be glamourised. Its just a movie, we shouldn't overanalyse it.
I completely disagree that anyone has presented emaciation as being sexy here. The woman posed that way because it was part of her choreography. Unfortunately, the pose showed her ribs and made her look far skinner that she really is. You see her body closer up later in the song. She's actually just thin, not even very thin, just thin.
Very true. I don't know why the skinny thing is so in-style. It makes little sense, as I pointed out. Mayhaps evolution will smack us in the ass for it sooner or later.
Watch any classic 'B' beach movie (1950's and 1960's) and see hundreds of absolutely gorgeous women... who would be blasted from today's Hollywood for being "fat" !
Another example- we saw Charo live at a casino this past spring. She's 56 or 66, depending on who you believe. Long, gorgeous hair and stunning sexy curves!
A reality show dance couple filled time during costume changes; the girl looked to weigh about 82 lbs. and was pale. She was an x-ray. Unfair contrast!!
i totally agree with u but things wont change because the male dominated society will not let it, its life, its shit but i dont see it changing any time soon. but please continue to point out the faults in society in ur witty and highly humuorous manner it keeps me thinking and laughin for that matter! - Carter x
jealous much? I couldn't help noticing you not showing your ribs for comparison.
Anonoo 1 year ago
i love ribs and bones on a skinny female body.. the feel and look of it is just great!
ecreif 2 years ago
I take your point about emaciation, but look more closely. She is not anorexically skinny. Her arms and legs are not thin sticks, her waist is not wasp-like. This is a sexy woman drawing in her tummy to make her rib cage more shadowed and prominent in that unusual lighting. Yes, you can see the well-defined arch of her rib cage, but not her actual ribs. The shadow effect also can be seen with the deep hollow of her left underarm. What do you think?
TTBarrett 3 years ago
You're right, ribs are incredibly sexy! I love it when a girl's ribs are clearly visible. And who wants to impregnate a girl in this over populated world anyway? I don't! I would however very much enjoy making love to an insanely skinny woman, that would be hot.
TummyLover 3 years ago
omg you need to get a life
laurajoybubbles 4 years ago
I meant LITERARY criticism in that last post. Anyway, the character poisoned her lover after finding out he was married. You may have noticed that the whole song juxtaposed murder with the sexy tango. Does that mean that Chicago is portraying murder as something that's seductive? That's another far fetched "irresponsible" thing they did, why didn't you pick on that? You obviously feel so indignantly about the glorification of emaciation that you spot it in places where it doesn't exist.
loonger2007 4 years ago
If you're not careful, you're going to start crossing boundaries of polite discussion/debate and actually begin to insult me. Please don't assume I feel indignantly about anything, and please don't accuse me of being irresponsible. Slandering is calling out a specific person in general and criticizing them with no point; in my video satire I was criticizing society with this video as evidence. Furthermore, there are better ways to persuade me than by attacking me.
VGwritesalot 4 years ago
Also, an interesting point you bring up -- is murder not seductive, or, rather, can't it be? The whole idea of seduction implies being lured to do something you know in your conscience that you shouldn't do, and in that way murder can be very seductive -- an easy solution to a problem with a person. I don't think it would be far-fetched at all to assume that the producers of Chicago wanted to display something as seductive. But just cause it is seductive, again, doesn't make it right.
VGwritesalot 4 years ago
So, I suppose, following that line of thinking, they could also be showing how emaciation is in fact seductive, but paralleling it to the seduction of murder and in so doing condemning emaciation. Hmm...
Sorry that that was so long. LOL
VGwritesalot 4 years ago
Your interpretation is logical too. Just remember, you aren't writing a literally criticism of Chicago here, for which all interpretations are valid. You're accusing the producers of being irresponsible about this serious real world issue. You're being irresponsible yourself in slendering these people based on a shaky subjective interpretation.
loonger2007 4 years ago
what about your body?
how does your body seames like?
show the rest of uss who would like to see how it is not ore is supose to be
snoenlars 4 years ago
I never made any professions to say that my body was perfect. The fact that I am not perfect/do not have the perfect body does not impair my mental ability to see something seriously wrong with the culture that I live in.
VGwritesalot 4 years ago
What are we to do with movies then? I know that they do provide entertainment value, but why can they not be something more, something else? They are made by humans and therefore they are subconscious psychological references in them that we, I think, should look at to understand ourselves. Even in literary analysis, implications that are completely valid can be made out of one sentence -- why should the same not apply to film?
VGwritesalot 4 years ago
Sure we should. Just don't get carried away. We really have to examine whether these implications are intended. Like I said, for all you know they're saying something completely different about emaciation by having a vain and manupulative character pose that way. There are a million points of view that you could speculate was portrayed!
loonger2007 4 years ago
It's true, I don't deny it, but is my initial evaluation any less valid than the other points? I, of course, don't think so. But, if I recall correctly, that particular character wasn't vain and/or manipulative (I could be wrong), but she had a (I think) valid reason for killing her husband. Also, that the display of this emaciation took place in a tango which is a sexually charged dance also, I think, speaks to my point.
VGwritesalot 4 years ago
But why was her choreography that way? To make her look emaciated, methinks. I'm not blaming the dancer/actress or anything of that sort, just commenting on it. That's almost the point. Like, she is thin, but the movie directors/dance choreographers, whoever, made it look like she was thinner than she actually was, in a position that is traditionally erotic, using the lighting to highlight her ribcage.
VGwritesalot 4 years ago
Yeah, I know emaciation isn't healthy and all. I just think its making something out of nothing to say that these implications can be found in the movie. We see her ribs for like what, 1sec? The lighting was probably the same all along. There are just so many ways you can interpret it; you could say that it shows how emaciation is superficial because the character who does it is an unremorseful murderess who thinks her crime should be glamourised. Its just a movie, we shouldn't overanalyse it.
loonger2007 4 years ago
I completely disagree that anyone has presented emaciation as being sexy here. The woman posed that way because it was part of her choreography. Unfortunately, the pose showed her ribs and made her look far skinner that she really is. You see her body closer up later in the song. She's actually just thin, not even very thin, just thin.
loonger2007 4 years ago
Very true. I don't know why the skinny thing is so in-style. It makes little sense, as I pointed out. Mayhaps evolution will smack us in the ass for it sooner or later.
VGwritesalot 4 years ago
Watch any classic 'B' beach movie (1950's and 1960's) and see hundreds of absolutely gorgeous women... who would be blasted from today's Hollywood for being "fat" !
dignityshmignity 4 years ago
Yeah, definitely. Which hella sucks, IMO.
VGwritesalot 4 years ago
Another example- we saw Charo live at a casino this past spring. She's 56 or 66, depending on who you believe. Long, gorgeous hair and stunning sexy curves!
A reality show dance couple filled time during costume changes; the girl looked to weigh about 82 lbs. and was pale. She was an x-ray. Unfair contrast!!
dignityshmignity 4 years ago
i totally agree with u but things wont change because the male dominated society will not let it, its life, its shit but i dont see it changing any time soon. but please continue to point out the faults in society in ur witty and highly humuorous manner it keeps me thinking and laughin for that matter! - Carter x
cartertherocker 4 years ago
I agreee !!!! =D
crazed1mp 4 years ago
DRAAAGON!! SPANISH SPEAKING DRAGON!
Lol "OMIGOSH!" And I like the scene with your dad :P.
sh0rtandsw3et89 4 years ago