Thanks this was awesome...I'm a Melanesian of the South Pacific and I have always wondered where my people came from, definately we must have come from Africa although Western Education teaches us we're more related to the Asians than Africans genetically...But our physical characteristics are African than Asian....Personally I don't believe that I am related to Asians I think am African and I hope oneday the Melanesian People will come to know their true history..
@143Pacifika The route was from Africa East via Indonesia. It was the route taken by East African Mariners from the port of Aden to Indonesia. It is a very common route that traveled along the coast. It is well known by Africans & resulted your & our ancestors becoming the indigenous population of indonesia and traveling to the pacific. THIS IS WHERE THE ASIAN connection comes in. It is ONLY geographic. In indonesia there was intermixture with chinese tribes coming from the north.
@143Pacifika Western education is being misleading in explaining the asian tie. The aborigines of southeast asia who R the ancestors of islanders & it's cultures WERE NOT from Mainlaind Asia, according to traditions, genetics, & archaelogical data of the region that they are not showing the public openly, the voyages had come from the far WEST to indonesia. Honest Indonesians themselves will tell you this.
Indonesia & the pacific today has become assimilated by "Mongoloids."
@143Pacifika The western world is taking advantage of the fact that indonesia is in Asia geographically, & the region along with the pacific—today at present—has become assimilated by "Mongoloids". On this basis It gives the faulty appearance that your ancestors are classified asian. There was much mixing in S.E. Asia, & what western education is doing is telling the story of the "Mongoloid" assimlating migrations & incorrectly crediting the language/culture of the pacific to them.
@143Pacifika The culture & languages of the pacific are not kin to anywhere else in asia accept places southeast asia from there the similarities go backwards towards Africa, not anywhere north in Asia accept places where melanesian/pacific ancestors had traveled north into more northern parts of asia and intermarried with certain asians, but early asian texts classify pacific islanders and indigenous indonesians as FOREIGNERS to Asia.
@thotsins I beleive you mainland Asia has a total different culture from the islands..Islanders were known to be cannibals, headhunters and aggressive in nature...who In mainland Asia ran around half naked with only grass skirts lol, only in Africa and the islands...
@143Pacifika Yes, very true, westerners suggest the "mongoloid" side of asian culture is what spawned the pacific languages & cultures, supposedly coming from Taiwan, & coining some made up term for it called "austronesian." But yet pacific island culture is not consistent in similarity to all "mongoloid" asian culture within the whole mainland continent of asia—yet, rather, with whole continent of Africa—it is!
@143Pacifika Westerners have yet to explain how is it that a people from a puny, tiny island like Taiwan that are supposedly of the same "mongoloid" stock as mainland asians came to suddenly develop a culture that is completely different from the rest of mainland "mongoloids"—yet, is far more identical to African cultures & languages than there fellow mainland "mongoloids"?
I wonder what bogus fairy tale westerners will coin with fraudulent scientific evidence to explain that one.
@143Pacifika In Africa, we traditionally interweave our identity into our cultural traditions. This is how we're able to recognize who is kin even if our families split. They're like secret codes that only we know & use. "Mongoloids" don't know them, so when we see these things that are very specific to us in the south pacific, we automatically KNOW that's family.
It's like you said, from bark cloth, money spraying, to tahitian dance etc.—"Mongoloids" don't do these—ONLY AFRICA.
@143Pacifika If you go to indonesia, the histories preserved amongst the peoples who descend from the indigenous tribes say they came from the east african coast along the red sea.
In africa, as I said, this region is the port of aden, there were migrations being sent from Egypt at the time to go to indonesia and the pacific to set up colonies and bring back resources. There are tribes in Africa who were amongst those who went and came back to africa. the rest of you stayed.
@143Pacifika Western industry has record of this, but do not openly publicize it, you can find it in their reports & it is also within traditions of both African & pacific peoples.
The voyages on big rafts were mixed populations sent from Egypt consisting of north, northeast, & east africans. There are four ancestral groups of our peoples Kana'ani(often light skin), Cushite (Darkest skinned), Misraim (Egyptians) & Luvim (dark-light skinned.) A mix of these manned the ships.
@143Pacifika One of the earliest voyages was sent to Sumatra/indonesia & may have reached melanesia, & there are tribes in indonesia who remember this voyage which is why black people exist in southeast asia. The next voyage reached indonesia & the pacifc. Then there was another sent out after Greek settlement in north africa & this one had Maui & Rata/Lata, well-known in polynesian legend manning the ships & they for a fact reached all the way to Polynesia. These are African tales.
@143Pacifika But this is why in our languages in Africa we can still understand many words within the languages from southeast asia, Taiwan, and all the pacific islands. From ALL these regions there are MANY linguistic ties to African languages within the whole continent. This is NOT the case with Asian languages beyond southeast asia, the same can be said culturally as well.
@143Pacifika A COMPLETE record of genetic data (which has never been publicized) reveals that The Taiwan tie is because the men took east asian wives at some point. Genetic evidence shows that originally there was NO east asian blood in the pacific whatsoever, not in Samoa, Tonga, Fiji, or anywhere else in melanesia. It is documented to have arrived between 500-700 years ago by some reports. There is also evidence of East Asian migrations to the pacific before Europeans arrived.
@thotsins I think your right most Melanesians look like a mixture of East Asian and African, but not all there are, some that look like pure Africans without any admixture at all
@143Pacifika As far as the Taiwan link, Taiwanese aborigines say their ancestors came from the SOUTH, NOT vice versa, so again the western industry is misleading when they say the migration was from taiwan & traveled down to the pacific. It came from indonesia & traveled north up to Taiwan & south in all directions to the pacific islands. The method of travel by African mariners was to travel close along the coasts of continents. The purpose was for colonization and resources.
@143Pacifika You do, it is all right there in your own islands, in the traditions, in the customs, & in the archaeology as well as in your blood. Your genes are descent from the same ancestors as Africans—THEY DO NOT COME FROM THE SAME FAMILIAL LINE AS Chinese and east asians. Western industry knows the average person does not understand how genetics works, they themselves don't even fully understand it yet. They take advantage to twist the interpretation of the genetic evidence.
@thotsins I'm glad the people in Fiji know when they came to the Pacific , I hope it is the same for all of us, but sadly not all islanders know their historty....Someone should publish a book or do something about this...
I went to Fiji once...and the white tourist was standing next to me and I asked her "How was your trip in Fiji?". She said "It was nice except there are too many Indians!" LMAO I was thinking that was kinda racist...but I couldn't help to think it was pretty funny too LOL
Runoko Rashidi... I'll take you to my village if you come back.. Yeah we came from Tanganiika and now we call ourselves the friendliest people in the world :).
@DIJV79 By the way I have access to many Fijians, even from prominent village individuals responsible for hold the traditions—and I have many of the stories FROM FIJI saying YOU DO come from Africa.
So don't try to fool anyone. Either
1) You are laying and you know you are lying.
2) You don't your own history very well.
3) Or you are a pretender on here pretending to be Fijian just to cause drama.
LOL! All your inconsistencies invalidate you, hon.
@DIJV79 This is taken from their chinese diaries 1,000 years before europeans visited the s. pacific describing them. "They are the barbarous men of the ... southern seas. They are very black, & expose their naked figures. ... They excel when they go in the water."
Wan Chen (China):The men from FOREIGN lands to the south:
" … dark-skinned people who were expert sailors, famous for their great ships . The large ones are over 200 feet long ... can hold 600-700 men & a cargo of 900 tons."
@mangosteen871 LOL! How much longer are you going to desperately keep being in denial, hon?
You're wasting my channel space.
Click on the part that says "Show More" above you, and you can read the whole traditional story passed down by FIJIAN PEOPLE THEMSELVES FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS—Not me.
I'm trying to help you so that you stop embarrassing yourself in front of everybody, hon. Because you are claiming to be islander, but don't seem to know the traditions.
@mangosteen871 You're just making a "desparate attempt" to try to unlink us.
Are you really that unintelligent? You couldn't even read the video commentary?
This oral tradition is VERY COMMON amongst Fijian people. There are so many different versions of it passed down through the genealogies of Fijie. Even the ancestors from Africa are mentioned in Tonga as well.
Obviously you don't know very much.
You need to go learn the history of "your people" hon. LOL!
Wow...It's amazing to know that the term Brother or Sister doesn't just stop at 1 race of people...I got other brothers and sisters that I'm yet to meet! Thank you lord. Thank you for posting this it was very informative and a shout out to my Fijian family, much love to you.
I'm Fijian and proud of it in a humble way cuzzy... I don't care whether we came from africa or asia or the bottom of the ocean... Maybe Africans came from Fiji? haha jks. Just wanna say, you want the most cannibalistic people on earth (according to the 'history channel' bull-crap) to be related to you? Mate, if you are that proud of us, go right ahead and claim us... I'm stoked to see someone be proud of a people whose ferocious past is drenched in blood... Moce-jo my Bro!
@BALEnaVICO You maybe right maybe Africans do come from the Pacific. Possibly maybe the lost continent of Lemuria we come from. Regardless it does not matter because we are the same people my friend wether we come from Africa first or the Pacific. Peace and god bless and study.
@DIJV79 Yea, our traditions say some of us left Arabia because the arabic people were coming, but a lot of Africans mention coming from that direction and settling in East Africa.
@DIJV79 In Africa Indians call themselves "Ugandans", "South Africans" as well. They refer to themselves as such nationally, even though they are not the indigenous population there, same like in Fiji.
@DIJV79 But our traditions document and trace the generations to about 3,000 ago. Because so far, the ancestral names mentioned in pacific island traditions between melanesia and polynesia were names we had for our ancient kingdoms along the coast about 3,000 years ago. We were still traveling into Africa at that time from Arabia, and at that point some of us went East and the rest of us went West. This is why my tribe traces our origins to the East.
@DIJV79 Yea we know about that, some of the tribes in East Africa remember going to Asia, and some came back. It's because they traded with India and southeast asia because some of our early ancestors settled there. Along the coast they were maritime merchants and they traveled to asia frequently. So a lot of the words in southeast asia and Africa are the same.
@DIJV79 Also in Africa, not speaking the language does not disqualify one from being that ethnicity. Because language is only one aspect of traditional culture. Most global africans, like some of the ones in London do not speak their language, but they still know and practice many other elements of their cultures. Likewise, I've met some Fijians that do not speak Fijian, but they are still Fijian because they practice other elements of the culture and most of all—the blood in the veins says so.
@DIJV79 In Africa, we know the indigenous Fijians, or Kai Viti, as such; but we view those who were born there or moved there, like the Indians as "Fijian" nationals, meaning even though they do not have right to land, they are Fijian in the sense that they live under that government & still have to abide by the rest of the laws coined for them therein. That makes them Fijian nationally which is why they call themselves such, even though they are not indigenous.
@DIJV79 Generally Nationality and Ethnicity are different things. Cuz nationality refers to government & Ethnicity refers to idenity. But as I said some countries like Uganda or Fiji are named after the Ethnic title. But national title is NOT always the same as the Ethnic identity. Depending on the laws of a country anyone can call themselves a "Fijian" or "Nigerian."
The sense in which a person is such will differ according to the unique legal qualifying factors in each nation.
@thotsins Theres one race the human race and we are seperated by nationalities. Nationality is the basis of status which determines a persons rights within a sovereign nation, not an ethnicity.
@DIJV79 I agree! And that is why I study history. Because it was through my study of history that I learned how all humans are related to each other. We are not as separate as Nationalism tries to make us feel. Even though the familial tie between Africans and Chinese is not as close, I can tell how we are related to Europeans and Chinese just as much as I can tell you how we are related to Fijians and other melanesians.
@DIJV79 Yes, in Africa we know that Fijians are from East Africa and the rest of melanesians, we also know where the regions are located that are mentioned in Fijian traditions, and the people there share the same DNA strain as you guys do. So, yes, we are very aware of it.
I'm actually going to make a better video than this one that is more traditional. I think this video, because of the terms Mr. Rashidi uses, gives off the wrong to some people.
@DIJV79 In Africa "HAM" is also our great ancestor and is traditionally remembered as "KAM" his name is mentioned in variations in our traditions in reference to his ancient descendants who were our ancestors from Egypt.
So you find his name in such ancestral peoples in our traditions as the AbanyaKAMi. Our traditions say some of his descendants went EAST into the sea and some of us went WEST into the African interior.
not all pacific islands have african in them.. im not saying it like a bad thing.. but really all the pacific islanders have a lot of mixed ethnicities in them
@APItjturner98 There is no such thing as "having African in them" cuz Africa is just a term to define a geographical location, not an ethnicity. You'd have to say not all pacific islanders have black or "Khami" in them due to extensive mixing; and yes, that would be a true statement.
@APItjturner98 But what you say is very true with regards to polynesians and micronesians. Today they are mixed between melanesian and east asians. The asian element came later. The original people who possessed the outrigger culture were melanesians. Both historical texts from china as well as dna results reflect some melanesian men began taking east asian wives. Continuous east asian contact was maintained until polynesia's blood went from having 0% of east asian blood to now almost 90%.
Hydenblu, traditionally the way we maintain documentation of family is through culture, customs, tattoos, tradition etc. These were like last names. So just from LOOKING at Fijians and the culture, it is easy to figure out which Kami peoples you came through. There are certain things we notice that are carryovers that make it obvious where you guys came from and through whom cuz that is what our traditions were designed to do.
This is a foreign concept to western conventional historical study.
@hydenblu Africa is not our home either, it's just where we stopped and decided to stay, while you guys moved on eastward, just as our legends—and pacific legends—document.
If your family moves to New York, and half of them split and move to New Jersey do you all of sudden become unrelated?
The answer is obvious.
However, the African region is called "home" because that is where our empires were exclusively established, Savae'i as well as Taqanaika.
Hon, all Fijians don't agree with the idea of coming from Asia either. You're one of the RARE ones I've met who do.
And, hon, WESTERN missionaries who came and lied to gain control over the land, paving the way for WESTERN Blackbirders, are the same WESTERN people trying to push the so called "asian origin" on you? If they tricked you before, why are you so quick to believe these westerners? LOL! You'd think you would've learned the from the first times. LOL!
@hydenblu "Fijan is one of the oldest polynesian languages and you wouldn't believe how close these languages are!"
I've already studied "austronesian" linguistics. And you know what? You wouldn't believe how close these language are to African languages. For instance, even basic words in Fiji like
"Bula"
"Io" etc. are all AFRICAN WORDS. So if you want to turn your back on your origins so much to be asian, LOL! go ahead, it's no loss on us—just give us back all our words, customs etc. LOL!
@hydenblu One of the means of evidence they are trying to use to disprove the Taqanaika account is linguistics. And as I've already demonstrated here for everyone to see—their are STRONG linguistic ties. So, yes, it is poor. And you need to understand how the industry works, hon. We are not shown all the evidence. If we were, then you all would know that island languages are related to African languages cuz you would have known about all the cognates a long time ago.
@hydenblu LOL! I suggest you spend a little more time with Africans peoples and get to know our traditions as well, because there are also plenty in Africa, more than in the pacific, some of them shed light in more detail about your dispersal out of africa and the routes you took.
So far nothing you've said is any different from our own legends.
We also have traditions of God creating our tribes directly, just as you do.
We also have traditions saying that we did not originate from anywhere but that we have always been where we are.
These differences occur because there were multiple migrations into our designated areas at different times. Some of the legends are tied into royal and esoteric versions which is why they may speak of people "originating from the sky" or "coming from God or the heavens."
@hydenblu LOL! You see, the Fijian account of coming from asia before Africa simply documents the initial first entry of our ancestors into Africa—just as ours does.
You guys say you came through Tura's peoples, and we still have at least 2 places named after him between Egypt and East Africa today.
@hydenblu Amongst many of our legends of origins the story goes that our ancestors came from asia (that's where our original empires were). Our ancestors originated in Asia and traveled to Egypt. The Kami (Egyptians, Fijian=Kamami) settled in Egypt. The rest settled in East Africa. At this point, there was a split in the families—some went east into the ocean, the rest of us went west into the African interior. Some were traveling back and forth.
Most of our ancestors, the Khami/Malea etc. peoples, traveled into Africa by way of Arabia/Egypt. This is what both our traditions say took place. Because we came through the same people, this is why we tell the same story.
Even the Greeks remember this event, and documented it as the "Cushite split."
@hydenblu Regarding the account saying you originated in Asia, Yes, I am fully aware your account says you originated in Asia and traveled into Africa from there. What you didn't know is that your account merely echoes the same story shared and held by many Africans within the continent. Our legends at their earliest genesis also say our ancestors traveled from Asia and into Africa. We did not originate in Africa—I've already stated that in this post.
@thotsins According to the same legend , the Fijians origianted somewhere close to Asia. they travelled to Africa through Ejypt because of a Famine. While in Ejypt, lutubnasobasoba married an Ejyptian lady. They than moved to Africa.
As i said before, if you going to believe the legend than you must also believe all of it and not just the part you like.
The only problem with this is that the Story that Fijians came from Africa was made up by a methodist minister who came to Fiji just after the first white people arrived in Fiji.
He had written the story as sort of a fantasy tale. However the story was adopted by the Fijians and due to similar sounding words like "Ra" etc, they also started claiming to have come out of ejypt as well.
Oh and by the way, I am a Fijian and proud of It!!!
@hydenblu Yea, this is what western linguists and anthropologist have been recently trying to push as a lame excuse to get islanders to disregard your traditions that prove where you really came from.
Some reasons why we know this EXCUSE is not true is for the following reasons ...
1) The missionaries didn’t create the account, it was written by an actual FIJIAN.
2)There are almost as many different versions of the account as there are Fijian clans—this wouldn’t be the case if the account was just a recent missionary invention that began to be taught in the schools. And it would only be found taught within the school system—not passed from parent to child.
3) The Fijian account is INTERWOVEN into Fijian ROYAL GENEALOGIES that PREDATE missionary and colonial arrival.
4) ) Fijians trace their genealogies to the characters in the Taqanaika account. If the whole account is a hoax—then the characters within it should also be a hoax, NOT found listed within any of your genealogies.
5) Guess what? Rotumans also trace their origins to the Taqanaika migration by Lutunasobasoba.
6) Guess what else? So do Tongans.
7) Guess what else? Solomon Islanders say they came from East Africa to the islands through the "trouble at sea" mentioned in the Fijian account.
Now, these missionaries in Fiji did not serve in Tonga, Rotuma, nor the Solomons, nor was the contest that supposedly fabricated the account held in any of these other islands.
So how is it OTHER islands also trace their origins to the SAME characters and the SAME migration?
8) Even more heavyweight—You know those places you mention in Fijian traditions as your origin, Verata, Vuda, Malolo, Taqaniika?
Well, guess what? These PLACES ACTUALLY EXIST in Africa and mark a traditional route to the coast for over 2,000 years. The Fijian account lists them in the EXACT CORRECT ORDER.
9) Fijians know to refer to the term “Taqanaika” as meaning “fish bowl.” That’s exactly how African locals view it.
10) The missionaries who supposedly fabricated this account in the 1800’s never had been to Tanganyika, so how would they know these 2,000+ year old traditional places in Africa in correct order?
These ANCIENT PLACES HAVE NEVER EVEN BEEN ON ANY MODERN MAPS. And they certainly didn’t have INTERNET BACK THEN. LOL!
Only Africans have known these places because they are traditional place names & villages.
Even more—How would the Fijian who wrote the article have known these places/ancestors?
11) In Africa, in this Taqanaika region, dwelt for a long time a warrior group of people called the "VITI" people. Africans know them very well. Coincidence? LOL!
12) Westerners claim the Fijian account is a hoax largely on the basis of there supposedly being no linguistic ties between Africans & Islanders. The only problems with this is ... Fiji: Wai- water Koli - dog Vaka sasa a - hunt Kulina - skin Tagane - man Africa: Mai - water Kuli - dog yaasa -hunt ilikoona - skin tatane/wane - man, father And there's many more.
Westerners generally accept the rest of the Fijian account—oh, except the part that speaks of them coming from Taqanaika? They exclude that part. LOL!
NO WONDER—the idea that the Fijian account is a hoax was created not by Fijians but—Peter France and Geraghty in the 1970’s—TWO WHITE WESTERNERS, 72 whole years AFTER the indigenous account surfaced.
All this evidence proves that this idea westerners are trying to push of the Fijian account from Africa being a hoax—IS IN FACT ITSELF A HOAX CREATED BY non other the WESTERNERS FROM WITHIN THE SCIENTIFIC INDUSTRY.
13) Oh, and by the way, I am an African and proud of it as well.!!!! LOL
@hydenblu The problem with indigenous people is that we allow these bias western foreigners to dictate our history instead of listening to our own traditions.
As you can see, their pitiful desperate attempt to disregard the Fijian account proves futile up against factual evidence that exists.
They never count on Africans speaking up about our own history. You guys mention remote places and peoples WE KNOW in Africa. No way you could know them unless you actually did come from there. LOL!
LOL! It's so ridiculous to see the lame and pitiful excuses westerners are desperately trying to use to get islanders to turn their backs on their own traditions of where they came from in exchange for THEIR theories.
The evidence they are trying to use is poor and isn't even logical anymore—what's worse is how quickly we are to believe them.
You need to understand, hydenblu, the only reason they are trying destroy your Fijian account of coming from Africa is cuz they want to say accept THEIR theory that you came from Asia. This is only cuz they want to give Asia full power, control and ownership over the pacific (which also explains the genocide in west melanesia/east indonesia of all the blacks.)
It's all politics, that's all it is. People don't know scientific theories are driven by political desires.
@hydenblu They're trying to use stupid excuses that don't even make any sense put together by their own agents to brainwash islanders into thinking they originated in asia, then they only document the MODERN genetic evidence of the maternal side of islanders that reflects the RECENT intermarriage between east asians to fool people into thinking they came from asia. It's really pathetic and we researchers can see clearly the techniques they are using. LOL!
BULA im proud to be a fijian & very very proud of my ancestoral heritage....
We have fijian traditional songs or chants about where we come from & i remember that tanzania was & is always mentioned in the chants....thankful that the ancestors kept the history of our people alive in the traditonal songs...
@chickstakalaka BULA, sis. Or as we say hello in some of our languages in Africa ...
BUA
BWA
IMBUYA ORE
MBUKWA
So nice to have you. Yes we are thankful the ancestors kept the history to, we always want to know where the ancestors in our traditions who were said to have left east traveled too.
@chickstakalaka When I was young growing up, my parents always told me a story of our origins and how early on in our history, when we were still in East Africa traveling into the interior, that some of us broke off, left Africa, and traveled elsewhere. Other parts of Africa have similar stories of those of us who left. Many of us can trace our origins all the way back to the middle east just like in Fiji, and as we were traveling down through Arabia into Africa, some of us left and went East.
tnxs for ur replay bcz i know personally some fijians in UK n sure indeed they r proud of their origin n they told me that they came from Tanzania .......am from ethiopia i love love love africa ......bcz we r rich of everything ol the diamonds the wild life the oil the diversity ...etc rich africa n poor governer n political instability make us poor .tnxs to the slave trade n colonization of europeans.........waka waka ......viva africa!!! Ashanti Dr .Runoko!!!
@Super1peace Yea, the political instability is because since colonial times the western world set the african governments only to serve the sole purpose of primarily shipping all our our resources out to build and maintain western empires, instead of taking care of the people. We are the primary providers in natural resources for the world. I'm thankful we still know how to traditionally live off the land to sustain ourselves despite what the west is doing.
@DABIGRAGU1 Well, racism means a person believes his race/ethnicity is superior to another. I don't know if this Dr. feels he's superior to any race, but I do know that people like him have indifferent feelings towards people who have tried to or have oppressed them or their history in any way. So, yea, some of his comments towards whites seem to have an indifferent vibe, but what he's saying here about Fijians is accurate, cuz we have traditional matches in Africa.
Mahalo for your replies, I appreciate you taking the time to send me more of your knowledge. You're a very beautiful woman inside and out, we need to clone you for the good of mankind/womankind! Keep teaching the truth, you have a great gift, my friend. I thoroughly enjoy your videos. Aloha
@DABIGRAGU1 I'd like to know from your reseach, from your take, why do you think we do not get the truth through the scientific and educational resources who govern what we learn?
@DABIGRAGU1 Some years ago I had Dinner with Runoko. We don't see eye to eye on everything, but at the same time, there were a lot of things he said we did agree on. He travels the world to get info firsthand info from indigenous people, which I appreciate. Up against African traditional knowledge, there are some things he over claims to Africans, but this—as usual—is spawned by the belief in the theory of evolution. BUT RE: PACIFIC ISLANDERS, yea, I can say he's ACCURATE.
Like I can vouch for what about Fijians cuz 1) He got the info from Fijians directly 2) We have exact matches to Fijian accounts in our history in Africa.
Frankly put, we know what peoples islanders came from and who they are related to in Africa just from their accounts alone cuz in Africa, family identification is encoded in tradition/custom/oral ancestry.
So for instance, they mention names of ancestors/ places, & their culture has customary markers. We hear it , see it, know who/where they came from, & can even tell the time they left cuz those were means of family identification amongst our early peoples.
This has always been how we kept track of family so we wouldn't forget, & we'd name r new homes/tribes after old ones. So, for example, we hear "Hawaiki/Savai'i/Taqanaika" as places of origin, & hear "Maori," we know those places/people in r history, when they were called that name & who lived there. "Hawaiki" & "Taqanaika" aren't that far from each other. "Burotu" is northern. In that region amongst the residents was the Maori & we still have them and the Savai'i groups in Africa today.
That's why to hear teetalovespeace say ... "In polynesia there is no mention of African places, polynesians believe that their ancestors came from "Hawaiiki ..."
... is a contradicting statement cuz that was the early name for r peoples and their home, but we know he thinks this way cuz of the propaganda imposed by the WESTERN world's institutions, & he doesn't know the ancient names for r peoples cuz nobody every bothers to tell African history—so nobody knows it, simply put.
@thotsins so Hawaiiki is the same name for your people and their home?
if we did come out of africa and are related to modern day africans, then why is it, when i go and type in "Africans and Austronesian connections" things that come up is Pacific islanders are not related in any way to africans.
"then why is it ... things that come up is Pacific islanders are not related in any way to africans."
cuz people don't know the scientific industry never was designed to tell the truth all the time, but mainly create theories that support political objectives. In addition to that, most of their data is interpreted through the lenses of their personal biases and prejudices form the basis of their theories. Then their pseudo-science is what bombards schools and the internet.
We are not necessarily told the truth—we're only taught the popular theories that support political objectives and that are the most profitable. It's just like DABIGRAGU1 said, "Follow the money."
And the industry will even admit we are not told the truth:
watch?v=jq-skpYwqJ8
So you need to go research how the industry works, buddy. Most people are gullible, and don't know what makes the wheels in the world we live in go round.
The only way to get around this and find out what scientific evidence REALLY exists is to do THE TESTING, EXCAVATIONS, etc that they do YOURSELF. Then you'll find ALL THE DATA that exists—the data they show—AS WELL AS THE DATA THEY LEAVE OUT.
Perfect example, the industry CLAIMED we have no linguistic ties, right? But yet look what happen when I listed just a few words in our languages. You never knew that—cuz they didn't tell you, they lied.
You also didn't know in your own traditions—you mention Khami people and places blatantly as your origin. Why? Cuz the scientific industry didn't tell you that.
But guess what? THEY KNEW THIS WHOLE TIME.
Most people don't know the fields they study, so they know they can claim anything, confident that most people will gullibly believe it not because what they claim sounds reasonable—but solely on the basis that they hold prominent positions.
@teetalovespeace It didn't take speaking that many words before we discovered we share many linguistic ties. You really think linguists have not come across all these cognates we hold in common? But yet, they keep claiming we share NO ties linguistically whatsoever.
@DABIGRAGU1 So while the scientific industry keeps trying to beat around the bush by hiding/twisting evidence, lying to the public by piecing together theories (guesses) based of bias/partial evidence—hoping everyone will just accept their theories as fact just cuz THEY labeled THEMSELVES as the so called 'authorities,' all the holes it's caused and unanswered questions with no definite answers has left everyone confused—BUT FOR US, IT'S VERY EASY.
If you look at how the western world tells this Fijian account, you'll notice they either tell the whole account, but then follow up by saying "most authorities believe Fijians came from indonesia," or they don't tell it at all, or they out right lie by twisting the account to say ... "Legend suggests that the great tribal chief Lutunasobasoba led the first Fijians to the islands from Southeast Asia by way of Indonesia nearly 3,500 years ago."
That's a blatant lie. LOL! He was from Taqanaika.
Even worse, some of the western institutions go as far to teach that THEY HAVE NOT ACCOUNTS OF ORIGIN. I sat down with Fijians myself and heard the account for myself. LOL! It's really pathetic how far they go in lying.
@thotsins well actually from what i know, our ancestors traveled from South east asia down to melenesia where their was already civilization there, and our south east asian ancestors inter-married with the natives. and then afterwards we moved eastward.
Yea, and the western scientific industry only picks up the account from when they hit southeast asia. Southeast asia was a port for trade, so they had to stop there, where they left some people behind and kept going on to the pacific. The people who were left behind began multiplying and intermarrying with Chinese tribes, arabs, and other traders who's descendants settled in indonesia.
" ... our south east asian ancestors inter-married with the natives. and then afterwards we moved eastward."
Yea, this is the scientific industry's sly & twisted interpretation of the account. The natives you speak of were the Savai (Chinese=kunlun). The so called "ancestors" you speak of who mixed with natives were east asians. The scientific community slyly only credits your ancestry to the maternal east asian side calling them "your ancestors who intermarried with the natives."
Islanders are not from africa... polynesians and micronesians are historically asians but we don't call ourselfs asians, we call ourselves PACIFIC ISLANDERS. just because our melenesian cousins have dark skin doesn't mean they are african. Also just because we have brown skin doesn't make us black or african.
@teetalovespeace, Fijian traditions as well as other islands say islanders came from Africa, as you can read the whole traditional story of origins above under the video comments. If not africa (the continent) directly, the traditions confirm islanders came through the same ancestral family we did, who we call "Kami" people—Fijians call them "Kamami." I'm from Africa, and can confirm from our traditions that, yes, island traditions harmonize ours. We know the places/ancestors mentioned.
@thotsins In polynesia there is no mention of African places, polynesians believe that their ancestors came from Hawaiiki. Micronesians don't actually mention anything about where they came from, except they only mention how our world was created. Melenesians is a very complex society because of the diversity of culture, language and customs.
@teetalovespeace How do you know there is not mention of African places in polynesia? Do you know any of our traditional names for African places and regions?
@teetalovespeace If you click the video description, as I suggested, you can read the whole traditional Fijian with them mentioning the African places they came from.
These places are:
Cepi
Taqaniika
Vuda
Verata
They also mention places such as "Malolo" and "Rookwa."
In Africa, we not only know these places and where they are located, but also the ancestral names.
In the Tanganiika regions Vunda, Verata, Rukwa etc. we have a group of a warrior people who were called the "VITI" people.
Then when you go to Fiji you find that not only did name certain places of the island after these African places, but they also named the entire island after their ancestral tribe so as not to forget, calling the island VITI (Fiji=british pronunciation) and calling themselves KaiViti, or VITI people.
So yes, they mention Africa & WE know the people and places easily.
I was told by Fijians "Taqa-ni-IKA" in Fiji means "Fish Bowl." And understandably so, in Africa,
Taqaniika is the second deepest freshwater lake in the world—beautiful place w/ an ABUNDANCE OF FISH—the people view like a "fish bowl" cuz of it's depth and abundance of unique fish only found in that area, & they've always lived off the fish. It's a VERY PROMINENT area.
So it's no wonder Fijians call Fish "IKA."
And identically in Africa, we have the words "AKI" and "usIKA" for the word "fish."
@teetalovespeace If I say some words in our languages, you probably would understand what I say. We have traditions of people who went to asia as well as backwards migrations visiting the coast, and we still could understand each others language. So we know what we're talking about. Our traditions have been around thousands of years.
@thotsins can you please send me some of those words so i can see if they actually relate to our languages. In the pacific there are a lot of words that sound similar to other countries like indonesia, indigenous taiwanese, some words from japan... so yeah we have more in common to asians than africans.
@teetalovespeace In Africa, we also have linguistic ties to the aborigine taiwanese, the indonesians, all negritos, as well as ALL PACIFIC ISLANDERS. If you read the whole post you'll find some cognates between us, as well as hear more details about the traditional account—as well as find melanesians on here who talk about their journey from Africa.
Everything you'd like to know is already provided for you here in this post if you read the whole thing.
And the term "Asian" is a geographical term for a location where a number of people live—not a name for the people themselves. Asia was settled by NUMEROUS DIFFERENT peoples: The Gomerians (all chinese, japanese, korean, native siberian), Turks, Shemetic indians, & the Savai groups which were Kami tribes sailing from the west & becoming the aborigines of indonesia (Chinese called them kunlun), whites call them "austronesians." They were assimilated by chinese & arabs forming modern indonesians.
... So this is the only reason you have ties to SOME asians, cuz of the Savais who were the left there while en route to the pacific. But notice the ties are only to southeast asia only. This is because Savai peoples are not of the same origins as Chinese or Shemetic indians, they sailed to indonesia from the west: They were traders, and indonesia was a settling port for ALL traders. This is where the western industry chooses to start the account of pacific island origins from.
@teetalovespeace What asian tribes you mixed with by the time you reached indonesia and started island hopping, we don't know exactly, but we know we share immediate ancestry cuz the places mentioned in the tradition are CLEARLY AFRICAN PLACES, AND WE KNOW WHERE THEY ARE LOCATED.
I'm full polynesian (Tahitian, Samoan, Tongan). I went to South Africa last year. My name is in the Zulu and Zutu tribes and they have a lot of similar words.
@leilagene Yea, all of us in Africa share cognates with the south pacific. In my language in west africa I've found a lot of our words spoken in the south pacific as well. Namely, Samoan, Tahitian, Hawaiian, Chamorro, and a host of others.
@leilagene Not only that, but also customs, ancestors, music, food, dance, etc. so much is the same. And some of the place names mentioned of origins are also amongst Africans traditions as well, and we know where they are located.
WOW!!! My Mums family have African Ancestry.....they are Nauruan and their African Ancestor is believed to have been an escaped slave.....there are throw backs in our family too.....
When listening to the places of origin mention in your traditions—like Vuda, Malolo, Taqanaika—we knew exactly what places in East Africa you're referring to easily & immediately. And I was surprise you guys still remember "Verata" cuz that old region is still there, and we have a small island called "Fiji." You call the ancestors in Africa "KAMAMI" and we call them "KAMI" and other variations of the same name. Those were also who we descend from.
All the places of original origins in island traditions are not in the south pacific, as a result although the names are present in the traditions of island people, the knowledge about the locations of these places and who the people were that lived there are becoming lost and obscure as a result of the people mixing with asians and whites. The scientific industry is taking advantage of this and proclaiming places as "mythical."
thotsins u should write a book or sumin bro... u got so much knowledge it would b a shame if u didnt speak up like what the hell man ur gona get alot of support from the people of the pacific.. specialy the fijians pngs tongans vanuatu soloz new caledonians and all them other nesian nations.
Hello. Yea, I use to, but the politics behind the industries are so corrupt that they don't support any notions that don't agree with the false perceptions of the world they want to create.
And as far as getting support from islanders, I've had mixed reactions, some support it cuz they know it's what their oral traditions say, others deny their own oral traditions and want to be asian, and others deny the oral traditions and prefer to be classified as not related to anybody. So it's been mixed.
What I've noticed is that the more the islands become assimilated by Chinese, Filipino, British, French, Japanese etc. the people are forgetting their origins and trying to connect with the people they are beginning to physically resemble, which are the whites and asians. Technically the populations of polynesia, particularly, are really not fully islander, but are Samoan-Chinese, Tongan-chinese, Hawaiian-filipino, Tahitian-french-chinese etc. etc.
The Hawaiki people are becoming rarer to be replaced by this NEW face of the south pacific that represents more of a filipino, chinese, or white mix rather than indigenous islander. With each assimilated generation produced, the people are incorrectly still being classified as full islanders, and the culture is gradually being passed onto non-islander people. In about a century or more the south pacific will be asian and white rather than true islander. This is the desire of politics.
What do u mean our tradtion, food, and culture havent changed. WRONG. Where in Africa do they do the "meke" wear masi? Eat Palusami, Dalo, and pacific cuisines. Where in Africa do they speak Bauan Fijian, and various fiji dialects? Evidently this cannot be answered without any proof, we did change alot! None of these r practised in Africa. No.
We have dances similar in east africa (where you guys came from, of course)
Wear masi?
In Cameroon, Nigeria, Ghana, Congo, Uganda, Tanzania, Kenya, Mozambique, Ethiopia, etc. Almost all african countries wore/wear masi. One name for it is Lubugo.
look at them, if you believe these people in the islands came from Asia, then you are a freakin idiot. Its so obvious that they have African origins.
TheOpinionatedDude 4 weeks ago
This is interesting...
belauidid 1 month ago
Thanks this was awesome...I'm a Melanesian of the South Pacific and I have always wondered where my people came from, definately we must have come from Africa although Western Education teaches us we're more related to the Asians than Africans genetically...But our physical characteristics are African than Asian....Personally I don't believe that I am related to Asians I think am African and I hope oneday the Melanesian People will come to know their true history..
143Pacifika 1 month ago
@143Pacifika The route was from Africa East via Indonesia. It was the route taken by East African Mariners from the port of Aden to Indonesia. It is a very common route that traveled along the coast. It is well known by Africans & resulted your & our ancestors becoming the indigenous population of indonesia and traveling to the pacific. THIS IS WHERE THE ASIAN connection comes in. It is ONLY geographic. In indonesia there was intermixture with chinese tribes coming from the north.
thotsins 1 month ago
@143Pacifika Western education is being misleading in explaining the asian tie. The aborigines of southeast asia who R the ancestors of islanders & it's cultures WERE NOT from Mainlaind Asia, according to traditions, genetics, & archaelogical data of the region that they are not showing the public openly, the voyages had come from the far WEST to indonesia. Honest Indonesians themselves will tell you this.
Indonesia & the pacific today has become assimilated by "Mongoloids."
thotsins 1 month ago
@143Pacifika The western world is taking advantage of the fact that indonesia is in Asia geographically, & the region along with the pacific—today at present—has become assimilated by "Mongoloids". On this basis It gives the faulty appearance that your ancestors are classified asian. There was much mixing in S.E. Asia, & what western education is doing is telling the story of the "Mongoloid" assimlating migrations & incorrectly crediting the language/culture of the pacific to them.
thotsins 1 month ago
@143Pacifika The culture & languages of the pacific are not kin to anywhere else in asia accept places southeast asia from there the similarities go backwards towards Africa, not anywhere north in Asia accept places where melanesian/pacific ancestors had traveled north into more northern parts of asia and intermarried with certain asians, but early asian texts classify pacific islanders and indigenous indonesians as FOREIGNERS to Asia.
thotsins 1 month ago
@thotsins I beleive you mainland Asia has a total different culture from the islands..Islanders were known to be cannibals, headhunters and aggressive in nature...who In mainland Asia ran around half naked with only grass skirts lol, only in Africa and the islands...
143Pacifika 1 month ago
@143Pacifika Yes, very true, westerners suggest the "mongoloid" side of asian culture is what spawned the pacific languages & cultures, supposedly coming from Taiwan, & coining some made up term for it called "austronesian." But yet pacific island culture is not consistent in similarity to all "mongoloid" asian culture within the whole mainland continent of asia—yet, rather, with whole continent of Africa—it is!
thotsins 1 month ago
@143Pacifika Westerners have yet to explain how is it that a people from a puny, tiny island like Taiwan that are supposedly of the same "mongoloid" stock as mainland asians came to suddenly develop a culture that is completely different from the rest of mainland "mongoloids"—yet, is far more identical to African cultures & languages than there fellow mainland "mongoloids"?
I wonder what bogus fairy tale westerners will coin with fraudulent scientific evidence to explain that one.
thotsins 1 month ago
@thotsins your right sis...am black and they tell me am Asian LMFO....
143Pacifika 1 month ago
@143Pacifika In Africa, we traditionally interweave our identity into our cultural traditions. This is how we're able to recognize who is kin even if our families split. They're like secret codes that only we know & use. "Mongoloids" don't know them, so when we see these things that are very specific to us in the south pacific, we automatically KNOW that's family.
It's like you said, from bark cloth, money spraying, to tahitian dance etc.—"Mongoloids" don't do these—ONLY AFRICA.
thotsins 1 month ago
@143Pacifika If you go to indonesia, the histories preserved amongst the peoples who descend from the indigenous tribes say they came from the east african coast along the red sea.
In africa, as I said, this region is the port of aden, there were migrations being sent from Egypt at the time to go to indonesia and the pacific to set up colonies and bring back resources. There are tribes in Africa who were amongst those who went and came back to africa. the rest of you stayed.
thotsins 1 month ago
@143Pacifika Western industry has record of this, but do not openly publicize it, you can find it in their reports & it is also within traditions of both African & pacific peoples.
The voyages on big rafts were mixed populations sent from Egypt consisting of north, northeast, & east africans. There are four ancestral groups of our peoples Kana'ani(often light skin), Cushite (Darkest skinned), Misraim (Egyptians) & Luvim (dark-light skinned.) A mix of these manned the ships.
thotsins 1 month ago
@143Pacifika One of the earliest voyages was sent to Sumatra/indonesia & may have reached melanesia, & there are tribes in indonesia who remember this voyage which is why black people exist in southeast asia. The next voyage reached indonesia & the pacifc. Then there was another sent out after Greek settlement in north africa & this one had Maui & Rata/Lata, well-known in polynesian legend manning the ships & they for a fact reached all the way to Polynesia. These are African tales.
thotsins 1 month ago
@143Pacifika But this is why in our languages in Africa we can still understand many words within the languages from southeast asia, Taiwan, and all the pacific islands. From ALL these regions there are MANY linguistic ties to African languages within the whole continent. This is NOT the case with Asian languages beyond southeast asia, the same can be said culturally as well.
thotsins 1 month ago
@143Pacifika A COMPLETE record of genetic data (which has never been publicized) reveals that The Taiwan tie is because the men took east asian wives at some point. Genetic evidence shows that originally there was NO east asian blood in the pacific whatsoever, not in Samoa, Tonga, Fiji, or anywhere else in melanesia. It is documented to have arrived between 500-700 years ago by some reports. There is also evidence of East Asian migrations to the pacific before Europeans arrived.
thotsins 1 month ago
@thotsins I think your right most Melanesians look like a mixture of East Asian and African, but not all there are, some that look like pure Africans without any admixture at all
143Pacifika 1 month ago
@143Pacifika As far as the Taiwan link, Taiwanese aborigines say their ancestors came from the SOUTH, NOT vice versa, so again the western industry is misleading when they say the migration was from taiwan & traveled down to the pacific. It came from indonesia & traveled north up to Taiwan & south in all directions to the pacific islands. The method of travel by African mariners was to travel close along the coasts of continents. The purpose was for colonization and resources.
thotsins 1 month ago
Wow Interesting Wish All of Us Pacific Islanders Knew Our Own History Instead of Other People Telling Us...
143Pacifika 1 month ago
@143Pacifika You do, it is all right there in your own islands, in the traditions, in the customs, & in the archaeology as well as in your blood. Your genes are descent from the same ancestors as Africans—THEY DO NOT COME FROM THE SAME FAMILIAL LINE AS Chinese and east asians. Western industry knows the average person does not understand how genetics works, they themselves don't even fully understand it yet. They take advantage to twist the interpretation of the genetic evidence.
thotsins 1 month ago
@thotsins I'm glad the people in Fiji know when they came to the Pacific , I hope it is the same for all of us, but sadly not all islanders know their historty....Someone should publish a book or do something about this...
143Pacifika 1 month ago
I went to Fiji once...and the white tourist was standing next to me and I asked her "How was your trip in Fiji?". She said "It was nice except there are too many Indians!" LMAO I was thinking that was kinda racist...but I couldn't help to think it was pretty funny too LOL
MrUsoRasta 3 months ago
Runoko Rashidi... I'll take you to my village if you come back.. Yeah we came from Tanganiika and now we call ourselves the friendliest people in the world :).
Mrbeautiez 3 months ago
thank you Runoko Rashidi...
MakMeridian 3 months ago
RASHiDi!
PeeGeeBeeDee 4 months ago
@DIJV79 By the way I have access to many Fijians, even from prominent village individuals responsible for hold the traditions—and I have many of the stories FROM FIJI saying YOU DO come from Africa.
So don't try to fool anyone. Either
1) You are laying and you know you are lying.
2) You don't your own history very well.
3) Or you are a pretender on here pretending to be Fijian just to cause drama.
LOL! All your inconsistencies invalidate you, hon.
So goodbye. Take care
thotsins 5 months ago
@DIJV79 LOL! You're an extremely ignorant & confused mess.
You just said ...
"There is know (btw, I think you meant "no") African connection & we never claimed Africa as are homeland."
But then a few comments ago you said
"Our origins in Fiji are from East africa ... we came from Canaanites."
a comment you now now deleted.
You just go back & forth. I delete comments that are wishy washy or inaccurate & easily refuted.
So thanks for deleting your comments—saved me the work. LOL!
thotsins 5 months ago
@DIJV79 This is taken from their chinese diaries 1,000 years before europeans visited the s. pacific describing them. "They are the barbarous men of the ... southern seas. They are very black, & expose their naked figures. ... They excel when they go in the water."
Wan Chen (China):The men from FOREIGN lands to the south:
" … dark-skinned people who were expert sailors, famous for their great ships . The large ones are over 200 feet long ... can hold 600-700 men & a cargo of 900 tons."
thotsins 5 months ago
@mangosteen871 LOL! How much longer are you going to desperately keep being in denial, hon?
You're wasting my channel space.
Click on the part that says "Show More" above you, and you can read the whole traditional story passed down by FIJIAN PEOPLE THEMSELVES FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS—Not me.
I'm trying to help you so that you stop embarrassing yourself in front of everybody, hon. Because you are claiming to be islander, but don't seem to know the traditions.
LOL!
thotsins 6 months ago
@mangosteen871 You're just making a "desparate attempt" to try to unlink us.
Are you really that unintelligent? You couldn't even read the video commentary?
This oral tradition is VERY COMMON amongst Fijian people. There are so many different versions of it passed down through the genealogies of Fijie. Even the ancestors from Africa are mentioned in Tonga as well.
Obviously you don't know very much.
You need to go learn the history of "your people" hon. LOL!
thotsins 6 months ago
@mangosteen871 Try reading the TRADITIONAL FIJIAN ACCOUNT FROM FIJI OF THEIR VOYAGE FROM EAST AFRICA in the video commentary.
Then please stop talking, so that you don't embarrass yourself, hon.
thotsins 6 months ago
Wow...It's amazing to know that the term Brother or Sister doesn't just stop at 1 race of people...I got other brothers and sisters that I'm yet to meet! Thank you lord. Thank you for posting this it was very informative and a shout out to my Fijian family, much love to you.
ptrco5 9 months ago
I'm Fijian and proud of it in a humble way cuzzy... I don't care whether we came from africa or asia or the bottom of the ocean... Maybe Africans came from Fiji? haha jks. Just wanna say, you want the most cannibalistic people on earth (according to the 'history channel' bull-crap) to be related to you? Mate, if you are that proud of us, go right ahead and claim us... I'm stoked to see someone be proud of a people whose ferocious past is drenched in blood... Moce-jo my Bro!
BALEnaVICO 10 months ago 4
@BALEnaVICO In Africa "Viti" often means one main thing—WAR!
LoL!
thotsins 10 months ago
@BALEnaVICO You maybe right maybe Africans do come from the Pacific. Possibly maybe the lost continent of Lemuria we come from. Regardless it does not matter because we are the same people my friend wether we come from Africa first or the Pacific. Peace and god bless and study.
cobracongo 8 months ago
@DIJV79 Very true.Native Fijians allowed westernization and the Indians are part of that.Can't just complain now.
samoantoa08 11 months ago
@DIJV79 But it's been nice talking to you, it's getting late.
thotsins 1 year ago
@thotsins See ya!
DIJV79 1 year ago
@DIJV79 Yea, our traditions say some of us left Arabia because the arabic people were coming, but a lot of Africans mention coming from that direction and settling in East Africa.
thotsins 1 year ago
@DIJV79 In Africa Indians call themselves "Ugandans", "South Africans" as well. They refer to themselves as such nationally, even though they are not the indigenous population there, same like in Fiji.
thotsins 1 year ago
@DIJV79 But our traditions document and trace the generations to about 3,000 ago. Because so far, the ancestral names mentioned in pacific island traditions between melanesia and polynesia were names we had for our ancient kingdoms along the coast about 3,000 years ago. We were still traveling into Africa at that time from Arabia, and at that point some of us went East and the rest of us went West. This is why my tribe traces our origins to the East.
thotsins 1 year ago
@DIJV79 Yea, LOL! I know I've seen them.
thotsins 1 year ago
@DIJV79 Yea we know about that, some of the tribes in East Africa remember going to Asia, and some came back. It's because they traded with India and southeast asia because some of our early ancestors settled there. Along the coast they were maritime merchants and they traveled to asia frequently. So a lot of the words in southeast asia and Africa are the same.
thotsins 1 year ago
@DIJV79 Also in Africa, not speaking the language does not disqualify one from being that ethnicity. Because language is only one aspect of traditional culture. Most global africans, like some of the ones in London do not speak their language, but they still know and practice many other elements of their cultures. Likewise, I've met some Fijians that do not speak Fijian, but they are still Fijian because they practice other elements of the culture and most of all—the blood in the veins says so.
thotsins 1 year ago
@DIJV79 In Africa, we know the indigenous Fijians, or Kai Viti, as such; but we view those who were born there or moved there, like the Indians as "Fijian" nationals, meaning even though they do not have right to land, they are Fijian in the sense that they live under that government & still have to abide by the rest of the laws coined for them therein. That makes them Fijian nationally which is why they call themselves such, even though they are not indigenous.
thotsins 1 year ago
@DIJV79 Generally Nationality and Ethnicity are different things. Cuz nationality refers to government & Ethnicity refers to idenity. But as I said some countries like Uganda or Fiji are named after the Ethnic title. But national title is NOT always the same as the Ethnic identity. Depending on the laws of a country anyone can call themselves a "Fijian" or "Nigerian."
The sense in which a person is such will differ according to the unique legal qualifying factors in each nation.
thotsins 1 year ago
@thotsins Theres one race the human race and we are seperated by nationalities. Nationality is the basis of status which determines a persons rights within a sovereign nation, not an ethnicity.
DIJV79 1 year ago
@DIJV79 I agree! And that is why I study history. Because it was through my study of history that I learned how all humans are related to each other. We are not as separate as Nationalism tries to make us feel. Even though the familial tie between Africans and Chinese is not as close, I can tell how we are related to Europeans and Chinese just as much as I can tell you how we are related to Fijians and other melanesians.
thotsins 1 year ago
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DIJV79 1 year ago
@DIJV79 Yes, in Africa we know that Fijians are from East Africa and the rest of melanesians, we also know where the regions are located that are mentioned in Fijian traditions, and the people there share the same DNA strain as you guys do. So, yes, we are very aware of it.
I'm actually going to make a better video than this one that is more traditional. I think this video, because of the terms Mr. Rashidi uses, gives off the wrong to some people.
thotsins 1 year ago
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DIJV79 1 year ago
@DIJV79 In Africa "HAM" is also our great ancestor and is traditionally remembered as "KAM" his name is mentioned in variations in our traditions in reference to his ancient descendants who were our ancestors from Egypt.
So you find his name in such ancestral peoples in our traditions as the AbanyaKAMi. Our traditions say some of his descendants went EAST into the sea and some of us went WEST into the African interior.
thotsins 1 year ago
not all pacific islands have african in them.. im not saying it like a bad thing.. but really all the pacific islanders have a lot of mixed ethnicities in them
APItjturner98 1 year ago
@APItjturner98 There is no such thing as "having African in them" cuz Africa is just a term to define a geographical location, not an ethnicity. You'd have to say not all pacific islanders have black or "Khami" in them due to extensive mixing; and yes, that would be a true statement.
thotsins 1 year ago
@APItjturner98 But what you say is very true with regards to polynesians and micronesians. Today they are mixed between melanesian and east asians. The asian element came later. The original people who possessed the outrigger culture were melanesians. Both historical texts from china as well as dna results reflect some melanesian men began taking east asian wives. Continuous east asian contact was maintained until polynesia's blood went from having 0% of east asian blood to now almost 90%.
thotsins 1 year ago
Hi Thotsins, havent heard from u for a while, so ill just say Hello, and hope all is alright with u.. Shalom
vaea46 1 year ago
Hydenblu, traditionally the way we maintain documentation of family is through culture, customs, tattoos, tradition etc. These were like last names. So just from LOOKING at Fijians and the culture, it is easy to figure out which Kami peoples you came through. There are certain things we notice that are carryovers that make it obvious where you guys came from and through whom cuz that is what our traditions were designed to do.
This is a foreign concept to western conventional historical study.
thotsins 1 year ago
@hydenblu Africa is not our home either, it's just where we stopped and decided to stay, while you guys moved on eastward, just as our legends—and pacific legends—document.
If your family moves to New York, and half of them split and move to New Jersey do you all of sudden become unrelated?
The answer is obvious.
However, the African region is called "home" because that is where our empires were exclusively established, Savae'i as well as Taqanaika.
thotsins 1 year ago
Hon, all Fijians don't agree with the idea of coming from Asia either. You're one of the RARE ones I've met who do.
And, hon, WESTERN missionaries who came and lied to gain control over the land, paving the way for WESTERN Blackbirders, are the same WESTERN people trying to push the so called "asian origin" on you? If they tricked you before, why are you so quick to believe these westerners? LOL! You'd think you would've learned the from the first times. LOL!
thotsins 1 year ago
@hydenblu "Fijan is one of the oldest polynesian languages and you wouldn't believe how close these languages are!"
I've already studied "austronesian" linguistics. And you know what? You wouldn't believe how close these language are to African languages. For instance, even basic words in Fiji like
"Bula"
"Io" etc. are all AFRICAN WORDS. So if you want to turn your back on your origins so much to be asian, LOL! go ahead, it's no loss on us—just give us back all our words, customs etc. LOL!
thotsins 1 year ago
@hydenblu One of the means of evidence they are trying to use to disprove the Taqanaika account is linguistics. And as I've already demonstrated here for everyone to see—their are STRONG linguistic ties. So, yes, it is poor. And you need to understand how the industry works, hon. We are not shown all the evidence. If we were, then you all would know that island languages are related to African languages cuz you would have known about all the cognates a long time ago.
thotsins 1 year ago
@hydenblu LOL! I suggest you spend a little more time with Africans peoples and get to know our traditions as well, because there are also plenty in Africa, more than in the pacific, some of them shed light in more detail about your dispersal out of africa and the routes you took.
So far nothing you've said is any different from our own legends.
thotsins 1 year ago
@hydenblu
We also have traditions of God creating our tribes directly, just as you do.
We also have traditions saying that we did not originate from anywhere but that we have always been where we are.
These differences occur because there were multiple migrations into our designated areas at different times. Some of the legends are tied into royal and esoteric versions which is why they may speak of people "originating from the sky" or "coming from God or the heavens."
thotsins 1 year ago
@hydenblu LOL! You see, the Fijian account of coming from asia before Africa simply documents the initial first entry of our ancestors into Africa—just as ours does.
You guys say you came through Tura's peoples, and we still have at least 2 places named after him between Egypt and East Africa today.
So no difference there. LOL!
thotsins 1 year ago
@hydenblu Amongst many of our legends of origins the story goes that our ancestors came from asia (that's where our original empires were). Our ancestors originated in Asia and traveled to Egypt. The Kami (Egyptians, Fijian=Kamami) settled in Egypt. The rest settled in East Africa. At this point, there was a split in the families—some went east into the ocean, the rest of us went west into the African interior. Some were traveling back and forth.
thotsins 1 year ago
Most of our ancestors, the Khami/Malea etc. peoples, traveled into Africa by way of Arabia/Egypt. This is what both our traditions say took place. Because we came through the same people, this is why we tell the same story.
Even the Greeks remember this event, and documented it as the "Cushite split."
thotsins 1 year ago
@hydenblu Regarding the account saying you originated in Asia, Yes, I am fully aware your account says you originated in Asia and traveled into Africa from there. What you didn't know is that your account merely echoes the same story shared and held by many Africans within the continent. Our legends at their earliest genesis also say our ancestors traveled from Asia and into Africa. We did not originate in Africa—I've already stated that in this post.
thotsins 1 year ago
@thotsins According to the same legend , the Fijians origianted somewhere close to Asia. they travelled to Africa through Ejypt because of a Famine. While in Ejypt, lutubnasobasoba married an Ejyptian lady. They than moved to Africa.
As i said before, if you going to believe the legend than you must also believe all of it and not just the part you like.
hydenblu 1 year ago
The only problem with this is that the Story that Fijians came from Africa was made up by a methodist minister who came to Fiji just after the first white people arrived in Fiji.
He had written the story as sort of a fantasy tale. However the story was adopted by the Fijians and due to similar sounding words like "Ra" etc, they also started claiming to have come out of ejypt as well.
Oh and by the way, I am a Fijian and proud of It!!!
hydenblu 1 year ago
@hydenblu Yea, this is what western linguists and anthropologist have been recently trying to push as a lame excuse to get islanders to disregard your traditions that prove where you really came from.
Some reasons why we know this EXCUSE is not true is for the following reasons ...
thotsins 1 year ago
1) The missionaries didn’t create the account, it was written by an actual FIJIAN.
2)There are almost as many different versions of the account as there are Fijian clans—this wouldn’t be the case if the account was just a recent missionary invention that began to be taught in the schools. And it would only be found taught within the school system—not passed from parent to child.
3) The Fijian account is INTERWOVEN into Fijian ROYAL GENEALOGIES that PREDATE missionary and colonial arrival.
thotsins 1 year ago
4) ) Fijians trace their genealogies to the characters in the Taqanaika account. If the whole account is a hoax—then the characters within it should also be a hoax, NOT found listed within any of your genealogies.
5) Guess what? Rotumans also trace their origins to the Taqanaika migration by Lutunasobasoba.
6) Guess what else? So do Tongans.
7) Guess what else? Solomon Islanders say they came from East Africa to the islands through the "trouble at sea" mentioned in the Fijian account.
thotsins 1 year ago
Now, these missionaries in Fiji did not serve in Tonga, Rotuma, nor the Solomons, nor was the contest that supposedly fabricated the account held in any of these other islands.
So how is it OTHER islands also trace their origins to the SAME characters and the SAME migration?
thotsins 1 year ago
8) Even more heavyweight—You know those places you mention in Fijian traditions as your origin, Verata, Vuda, Malolo, Taqaniika?
Well, guess what? These PLACES ACTUALLY EXIST in Africa and mark a traditional route to the coast for over 2,000 years. The Fijian account lists them in the EXACT CORRECT ORDER.
9) Fijians know to refer to the term “Taqanaika” as meaning “fish bowl.” That’s exactly how African locals view it.
thotsins 1 year ago
10) The missionaries who supposedly fabricated this account in the 1800’s never had been to Tanganyika, so how would they know these 2,000+ year old traditional places in Africa in correct order?
These ANCIENT PLACES HAVE NEVER EVEN BEEN ON ANY MODERN MAPS. And they certainly didn’t have INTERNET BACK THEN. LOL!
Only Africans have known these places because they are traditional place names & villages.
Even more—How would the Fijian who wrote the article have known these places/ancestors?
thotsins 1 year ago
11) In Africa, in this Taqanaika region, dwelt for a long time a warrior group of people called the "VITI" people. Africans know them very well. Coincidence? LOL!
thotsins 1 year ago
thotsins 1 year ago
@hydenblu
Westerners generally accept the rest of the Fijian account—oh, except the part that speaks of them coming from Taqanaika? They exclude that part. LOL!
NO WONDER—the idea that the Fijian account is a hoax was created not by Fijians but—Peter France and Geraghty in the 1970’s—TWO WHITE WESTERNERS, 72 whole years AFTER the indigenous account surfaced.
thotsins 1 year ago
@hydenblu
All this evidence proves that this idea westerners are trying to push of the Fijian account from Africa being a hoax—IS IN FACT ITSELF A HOAX CREATED BY non other the WESTERNERS FROM WITHIN THE SCIENTIFIC INDUSTRY.
13) Oh, and by the way, I am an African and proud of it as well.!!!! LOL
thotsins 1 year ago
@hydenblu The problem with indigenous people is that we allow these bias western foreigners to dictate our history instead of listening to our own traditions.
As you can see, their pitiful desperate attempt to disregard the Fijian account proves futile up against factual evidence that exists.
They never count on Africans speaking up about our own history. You guys mention remote places and peoples WE KNOW in Africa. No way you could know them unless you actually did come from there. LOL!
thotsins 1 year ago
LOL! It's so ridiculous to see the lame and pitiful excuses westerners are desperately trying to use to get islanders to turn their backs on their own traditions of where they came from in exchange for THEIR theories.
The evidence they are trying to use is poor and isn't even logical anymore—what's worse is how quickly we are to believe them.
thotsins 1 year ago
You need to understand, hydenblu, the only reason they are trying destroy your Fijian account of coming from Africa is cuz they want to say accept THEIR theory that you came from Asia. This is only cuz they want to give Asia full power, control and ownership over the pacific (which also explains the genocide in west melanesia/east indonesia of all the blacks.)
It's all politics, that's all it is. People don't know scientific theories are driven by political desires.
thotsins 1 year ago
@hydenblu They're trying to use stupid excuses that don't even make any sense put together by their own agents to brainwash islanders into thinking they originated in asia, then they only document the MODERN genetic evidence of the maternal side of islanders that reflects the RECENT intermarriage between east asians to fool people into thinking they came from asia. It's really pathetic and we researchers can see clearly the techniques they are using. LOL!
thotsins 1 year ago
BULA im proud to be a fijian & very very proud of my ancestoral heritage....
We have fijian traditional songs or chants about where we come from & i remember that tanzania was & is always mentioned in the chants....thankful that the ancestors kept the history of our people alive in the traditonal songs...
chickstakalaka 1 year ago 39
@chickstakalaka BULA, sis. Or as we say hello in some of our languages in Africa ...
BUA
BWA
IMBUYA ORE
MBUKWA
So nice to have you. Yes we are thankful the ancestors kept the history to, we always want to know where the ancestors in our traditions who were said to have left east traveled too.
thotsins 1 year ago
@chickstakalaka When I was young growing up, my parents always told me a story of our origins and how early on in our history, when we were still in East Africa traveling into the interior, that some of us broke off, left Africa, and traveled elsewhere. Other parts of Africa have similar stories of those of us who left. Many of us can trace our origins all the way back to the middle east just like in Fiji, and as we were traveling down through Arabia into Africa, some of us left and went East.
thotsins 1 year ago
tnxs for ur replay bcz i know personally some fijians in UK n sure indeed they r proud of their origin n they told me that they came from Tanzania .......am from ethiopia i love love love africa ......bcz we r rich of everything ol the diamonds the wild life the oil the diversity ...etc rich africa n poor governer n political instability make us poor .tnxs to the slave trade n colonization of europeans.........waka waka ......viva africa!!! Ashanti Dr .Runoko!!!
Super1peace 1 year ago
@Super1peace Oh, then I should have said TEANASTELLEN, sis/bro.
thotsins 1 year ago
@Super1peace Yea, the political instability is because since colonial times the western world set the african governments only to serve the sole purpose of primarily shipping all our our resources out to build and maintain western empires, instead of taking care of the people. We are the primary providers in natural resources for the world. I'm thankful we still know how to traditionally live off the land to sustain ourselves despite what the west is doing.
thotsins 1 year ago
what an intresting speech am proud of ol ma brothers n sisters from fiji ....yep lets love each other like that
Super1peace 1 year ago
Most Fijians I came across in Fiji on all islands I visited knew they were from Africa.
I will say however, as learned as Dr. Runoko Rashidi is, he seems to be a bit of a racist, or am I just imagining this?
DABIGRAGU1 1 year ago
@DABIGRAGU1 Well, racism means a person believes his race/ethnicity is superior to another. I don't know if this Dr. feels he's superior to any race, but I do know that people like him have indifferent feelings towards people who have tried to or have oppressed them or their history in any way. So, yea, some of his comments towards whites seem to have an indifferent vibe, but what he's saying here about Fijians is accurate, cuz we have traditional matches in Africa.
thotsins 1 year ago
@thotsins
Mahalo for your replies, I appreciate you taking the time to send me more of your knowledge. You're a very beautiful woman inside and out, we need to clone you for the good of mankind/womankind! Keep teaching the truth, you have a great gift, my friend. I thoroughly enjoy your videos. Aloha
DABIGRAGU1 1 year ago
@DABIGRAGU1 I'd like to know from your reseach, from your take, why do you think we do not get the truth through the scientific and educational resources who govern what we learn?
thotsins 1 year ago
@thotsins
Ahhh, many reasons can be found, many excuses can be found, however 99.9% of the time they ALL lead to this: FOLLOW THE MONEY
I realize this might seem a bit trite, but that is what I've found. With money comes power, as unfortunate as it is.
DABIGRAGU1 1 year ago
@DABIGRAGU1 Yes, yes. People get rewarded financially for following the current so to speak. I see.
thotsins 1 year ago
@DABIGRAGU1 Some years ago I had Dinner with Runoko. We don't see eye to eye on everything, but at the same time, there were a lot of things he said we did agree on. He travels the world to get info firsthand info from indigenous people, which I appreciate. Up against African traditional knowledge, there are some things he over claims to Africans, but this—as usual—is spawned by the belief in the theory of evolution. BUT RE: PACIFIC ISLANDERS, yea, I can say he's ACCURATE.
thotsins 1 year ago
Like I can vouch for what about Fijians cuz 1) He got the info from Fijians directly 2) We have exact matches to Fijian accounts in our history in Africa.
Frankly put, we know what peoples islanders came from and who they are related to in Africa just from their accounts alone cuz in Africa, family identification is encoded in tradition/custom/oral ancestry.
thotsins 1 year ago
So for instance, they mention names of ancestors/ places, & their culture has customary markers. We hear it , see it, know who/where they came from, & can even tell the time they left cuz those were means of family identification amongst our early peoples.
thotsins 1 year ago
This has always been how we kept track of family so we wouldn't forget, & we'd name r new homes/tribes after old ones. So, for example, we hear "Hawaiki/Savai'i/Taqanaika" as places of origin, & hear "Maori," we know those places/people in r history, when they were called that name & who lived there. "Hawaiki" & "Taqanaika" aren't that far from each other. "Burotu" is northern. In that region amongst the residents was the Maori & we still have them and the Savai'i groups in Africa today.
thotsins 1 year ago
That's why to hear teetalovespeace say ... "In polynesia there is no mention of African places, polynesians believe that their ancestors came from "Hawaiiki ..."
... is a contradicting statement cuz that was the early name for r peoples and their home, but we know he thinks this way cuz of the propaganda imposed by the WESTERN world's institutions, & he doesn't know the ancient names for r peoples cuz nobody every bothers to tell African history—so nobody knows it, simply put.
thotsins 1 year ago
@thotsins so Hawaiiki is the same name for your people and their home?
if we did come out of africa and are related to modern day africans, then why is it, when i go and type in "Africans and Austronesian connections" things that come up is Pacific islanders are not related in any way to africans.
teetalovespeace 1 year ago
@teetalovespeace Yes.
Hawaiiki-Aotearoa
Sava'i-indonesia
Sawai-indonesia
Kowaiki-New Guinea
Havai'i-Tahiti
Avaiki-underworld
Saibai-Torres strait
and all the variants of the name, yes, is also an ancestral name in our lineage too.
thotsins 1 year ago
@teetalovespeace
"then why is it ... things that come up is Pacific islanders are not related in any way to africans."
cuz people don't know the scientific industry never was designed to tell the truth all the time, but mainly create theories that support political objectives. In addition to that, most of their data is interpreted through the lenses of their personal biases and prejudices form the basis of their theories. Then their pseudo-science is what bombards schools and the internet.
thotsins 1 year ago
@teetalovespeace
We are not necessarily told the truth—we're only taught the popular theories that support political objectives and that are the most profitable. It's just like DABIGRAGU1 said, "Follow the money."
And the industry will even admit we are not told the truth:
watch?v=jq-skpYwqJ8
So you need to go research how the industry works, buddy. Most people are gullible, and don't know what makes the wheels in the world we live in go round.
thotsins 1 year ago
@teetalovespeace
The only way to get around this and find out what scientific evidence REALLY exists is to do THE TESTING, EXCAVATIONS, etc that they do YOURSELF. Then you'll find ALL THE DATA that exists—the data they show—AS WELL AS THE DATA THEY LEAVE OUT.
Perfect example, the industry CLAIMED we have no linguistic ties, right? But yet look what happen when I listed just a few words in our languages. You never knew that—cuz they didn't tell you, they lied.
thotsins 1 year ago
@teetalovespeace
You also didn't know in your own traditions—you mention Khami people and places blatantly as your origin. Why? Cuz the scientific industry didn't tell you that.
But guess what? THEY KNEW THIS WHOLE TIME.
Most people don't know the fields they study, so they know they can claim anything, confident that most people will gullibly believe it not because what they claim sounds reasonable—but solely on the basis that they hold prominent positions.
thotsins 1 year ago
@teetalovespeace It didn't take speaking that many words before we discovered we share many linguistic ties. You really think linguists have not come across all these cognates we hold in common? But yet, they keep claiming we share NO ties linguistically whatsoever.
Something seems fishy, doesn't it? LOL
thotsins 1 year ago
@DABIGRAGU1 So while the scientific industry keeps trying to beat around the bush by hiding/twisting evidence, lying to the public by piecing together theories (guesses) based of bias/partial evidence—hoping everyone will just accept their theories as fact just cuz THEY labeled THEMSELVES as the so called 'authorities,' all the holes it's caused and unanswered questions with no definite answers has left everyone confused—BUT FOR US, IT'S VERY EASY.
thotsins 1 year ago
If you look at how the western world tells this Fijian account, you'll notice they either tell the whole account, but then follow up by saying "most authorities believe Fijians came from indonesia," or they don't tell it at all, or they out right lie by twisting the account to say ... "Legend suggests that the great tribal chief Lutunasobasoba led the first Fijians to the islands from Southeast Asia by way of Indonesia nearly 3,500 years ago."
That's a blatant lie. LOL! He was from Taqanaika.
thotsins 1 year ago
Even worse, some of the western institutions go as far to teach that THEY HAVE NOT ACCOUNTS OF ORIGIN. I sat down with Fijians myself and heard the account for myself. LOL! It's really pathetic how far they go in lying.
thotsins 1 year ago
@thotsins well actually from what i know, our ancestors traveled from South east asia down to melenesia where their was already civilization there, and our south east asian ancestors inter-married with the natives. and then afterwards we moved eastward.
teetalovespeace 1 year ago
Yea, and the western scientific industry only picks up the account from when they hit southeast asia. Southeast asia was a port for trade, so they had to stop there, where they left some people behind and kept going on to the pacific. The people who were left behind began multiplying and intermarrying with Chinese tribes, arabs, and other traders who's descendants settled in indonesia.
thotsins 1 year ago
" ... our south east asian ancestors inter-married with the natives. and then afterwards we moved eastward."
Yea, this is the scientific industry's sly & twisted interpretation of the account. The natives you speak of were the Savai (Chinese=kunlun). The so called "ancestors" you speak of who mixed with natives were east asians. The scientific community slyly only credits your ancestry to the maternal east asian side calling them "your ancestors who intermarried with the natives."
thotsins 1 year ago
Islanders are not from africa... polynesians and micronesians are historically asians but we don't call ourselfs asians, we call ourselves PACIFIC ISLANDERS. just because our melenesian cousins have dark skin doesn't mean they are african. Also just because we have brown skin doesn't make us black or african.
teetalovespeace 1 year ago
@teetalovespeace, Fijian traditions as well as other islands say islanders came from Africa, as you can read the whole traditional story of origins above under the video comments. If not africa (the continent) directly, the traditions confirm islanders came through the same ancestral family we did, who we call "Kami" people—Fijians call them "Kamami." I'm from Africa, and can confirm from our traditions that, yes, island traditions harmonize ours. We know the places/ancestors mentioned.
thotsins 1 year ago
@thotsins In polynesia there is no mention of African places, polynesians believe that their ancestors came from Hawaiiki. Micronesians don't actually mention anything about where they came from, except they only mention how our world was created. Melenesians is a very complex society because of the diversity of culture, language and customs.
teetalovespeace 1 year ago
@teetalovespeace How do you know there is not mention of African places in polynesia? Do you know any of our traditional names for African places and regions?
thotsins 1 year ago
@teetalovespeace If you click the video description, as I suggested, you can read the whole traditional Fijian with them mentioning the African places they came from.
These places are:
Cepi
Taqaniika
Vuda
Verata
They also mention places such as "Malolo" and "Rookwa."
In Africa, we not only know these places and where they are located, but also the ancestral names.
thotsins 1 year ago 6
In the Tanganiika regions Vunda, Verata, Rukwa etc. we have a group of a warrior people who were called the "VITI" people.
Then when you go to Fiji you find that not only did name certain places of the island after these African places, but they also named the entire island after their ancestral tribe so as not to forget, calling the island VITI (Fiji=british pronunciation) and calling themselves KaiViti, or VITI people.
So yes, they mention Africa & WE know the people and places easily.
thotsins 1 year ago 6
I was told by Fijians "Taqa-ni-IKA" in Fiji means "Fish Bowl." And understandably so, in Africa,
Taqaniika is the second deepest freshwater lake in the world—beautiful place w/ an ABUNDANCE OF FISH—the people view like a "fish bowl" cuz of it's depth and abundance of unique fish only found in that area, & they've always lived off the fish. It's a VERY PROMINENT area.
So it's no wonder Fijians call Fish "IKA."
And identically in Africa, we have the words "AKI" and "usIKA" for the word "fish."
thotsins 1 year ago 6
In this region the proverb is that "every male is automatically born a sailor."
The people have always been an aqua culture from the lake to the coast.
Taqaniika
watch?v=LgLbyktx8xM
thotsins 1 year ago 4
@teetalovespeace If I say some words in our languages, you probably would understand what I say. We have traditions of people who went to asia as well as backwards migrations visiting the coast, and we still could understand each others language. So we know what we're talking about. Our traditions have been around thousands of years.
thotsins 1 year ago
@thotsins can you please send me some of those words so i can see if they actually relate to our languages. In the pacific there are a lot of words that sound similar to other countries like indonesia, indigenous taiwanese, some words from japan... so yeah we have more in common to asians than africans.
teetalovespeace 1 year ago
@teetalovespeace In Africa, we also have linguistic ties to the aborigine taiwanese, the indonesians, all negritos, as well as ALL PACIFIC ISLANDERS. If you read the whole post you'll find some cognates between us, as well as hear more details about the traditional account—as well as find melanesians on here who talk about their journey from Africa.
Everything you'd like to know is already provided for you here in this post if you read the whole thing.
thotsins 1 year ago
And the term "Asian" is a geographical term for a location where a number of people live—not a name for the people themselves. Asia was settled by NUMEROUS DIFFERENT peoples: The Gomerians (all chinese, japanese, korean, native siberian), Turks, Shemetic indians, & the Savai groups which were Kami tribes sailing from the west & becoming the aborigines of indonesia (Chinese called them kunlun), whites call them "austronesians." They were assimilated by chinese & arabs forming modern indonesians.
thotsins 1 year ago
... So this is the only reason you have ties to SOME asians, cuz of the Savais who were the left there while en route to the pacific. But notice the ties are only to southeast asia only. This is because Savai peoples are not of the same origins as Chinese or Shemetic indians, they sailed to indonesia from the west: They were traders, and indonesia was a settling port for ALL traders. This is where the western industry chooses to start the account of pacific island origins from.
thotsins 1 year ago
@teetalovespeace A few more cognates for you ...
Polynesia (Samoan)
Ma = and
Oe = you
Uli = dog
Ino ino = bad
Fula = swell
Ata = laugh
Iliola, ili = skin
thotsins 1 year ago
@teetalovespeace Africa (many countries)
Na = and
Owe, ue, iyoe = you
Kuli, kuri = dog
Inonio = bad
Isula = swell
Kata, bata = laugh
Ilikona, umu wili = skin
thotsins 1 year ago
@teetalovespeace
Here's more ...
Ten
Rongo (Tahitian)
Irongo (Maa, Africa)
Umi (Hawaiian)
Kumi (Many African languages)
"Cut "
Taapuu (Tahiti)
Chapu (My language)
thotsins 1 year ago
thotsins 1 year ago
thotsins 1 year ago
@teetalovespeace So, these are just a few—there are A LOT more like these between us.
thotsins 1 year ago
@teetalovespeace What asian tribes you mixed with by the time you reached indonesia and started island hopping, we don't know exactly, but we know we share immediate ancestry cuz the places mentioned in the tradition are CLEARLY AFRICAN PLACES, AND WE KNOW WHERE THEY ARE LOCATED.
thotsins 1 year ago
I'm full polynesian (Tahitian, Samoan, Tongan). I went to South Africa last year. My name is in the Zulu and Zutu tribes and they have a lot of similar words.
leilagene 1 year ago
@leilagene Yea, all of us in Africa share cognates with the south pacific. In my language in west africa I've found a lot of our words spoken in the south pacific as well. Namely, Samoan, Tahitian, Hawaiian, Chamorro, and a host of others.
thotsins 1 year ago
@leilagene Not only that, but also customs, ancestors, music, food, dance, etc. so much is the same. And some of the place names mentioned of origins are also amongst Africans traditions as well, and we know where they are located.
thotsins 1 year ago
WOW!!! My Mums family have African Ancestry.....they are Nauruan and their African Ancestor is believed to have been an escaped slave.....there are throw backs in our family too.....
MISSmohio 1 year ago
Wow!
Yahcna 1 year ago
When listening to the places of origin mention in your traditions—like Vuda, Malolo, Taqanaika—we knew exactly what places in East Africa you're referring to easily & immediately. And I was surprise you guys still remember "Verata" cuz that old region is still there, and we have a small island called "Fiji." You call the ancestors in Africa "KAMAMI" and we call them "KAMI" and other variations of the same name. Those were also who we descend from.
thotsins 1 year ago
yeah ...we fijians came 4rm africa....and proud of it !!!!!
doomtaranam 1 year ago 20
All the places of original origins in island traditions are not in the south pacific, as a result although the names are present in the traditions of island people, the knowledge about the locations of these places and who the people were that lived there are becoming lost and obscure as a result of the people mixing with asians and whites. The scientific industry is taking advantage of this and proclaiming places as "mythical."
thotsins 2 years ago
thotsins u should write a book or sumin bro... u got so much knowledge it would b a shame if u didnt speak up like what the hell man ur gona get alot of support from the people of the pacific.. specialy the fijians pngs tongans vanuatu soloz new caledonians and all them other nesian nations.
nesianunity 2 years ago 23
Hello. Yea, I use to, but the politics behind the industries are so corrupt that they don't support any notions that don't agree with the false perceptions of the world they want to create.
And as far as getting support from islanders, I've had mixed reactions, some support it cuz they know it's what their oral traditions say, others deny their own oral traditions and want to be asian, and others deny the oral traditions and prefer to be classified as not related to anybody. So it's been mixed.
thotsins 2 years ago
What I've noticed is that the more the islands become assimilated by Chinese, Filipino, British, French, Japanese etc. the people are forgetting their origins and trying to connect with the people they are beginning to physically resemble, which are the whites and asians. Technically the populations of polynesia, particularly, are really not fully islander, but are Samoan-Chinese, Tongan-chinese, Hawaiian-filipino, Tahitian-french-chinese etc. etc.
thotsins 2 years ago
The Hawaiki people are becoming rarer to be replaced by this NEW face of the south pacific that represents more of a filipino, chinese, or white mix rather than indigenous islander. With each assimilated generation produced, the people are incorrectly still being classified as full islanders, and the culture is gradually being passed onto non-islander people. In about a century or more the south pacific will be asian and white rather than true islander. This is the desire of politics.
thotsins 2 years ago
Instead of me writing a book, all we need to do is put all of our oral traditions together and the book will already be written.
thotsins 2 years ago
I LOVE IT!!
Keylicious410 2 years ago
lol looks like he gave up. lol
So, I'll do it for him...
thotsins 2 years ago
Fiji
Wai- water
Koli - dog
Vaka sasa a - hunt
Kulina - skin
Tagane - man
thotsins 2 years ago
Africa
Mai - water
Kuli - dog
yaasa -hunt
ilikoona - skin
wane - man
And there's many more.
thotsins 2 years ago
So, 22871987, you thought
"None of these r practised in Africa. No."
Now you can see that in reality—all of them are still practiced in Africa and have been for thousands of years.
I wonder, how is it that can know you came from Africa and not think you carried over any of the culture?
thotsins 2 years ago
im Tongan & we say kuli for dog too.. I already know we Polynesians are related to africans
TrueGreatness73 2 years ago 8
@thotsins
Cook Islands:
vai - water
kuri - dog
kimi - find or look or hunt
pakiri - skin
tane - man
timzes 1 year ago
@timzes Wow!
In Africa we also have: Kuri, Kuru, Kui - Dog Kuyima - Hunt
Mwiri - Skin
thotsins 1 year ago
wane - husband, brother, father,
tatane/atatane - father
thotsins 1 year ago
Very powerful, that's all I can say. Very powerful.
Lotanna 2 years ago
What do u mean our tradtion, food, and culture havent changed. WRONG. Where in Africa do they do the "meke" wear masi? Eat Palusami, Dalo, and pacific cuisines. Where in Africa do they speak Bauan Fijian, and various fiji dialects? Evidently this cannot be answered without any proof, we did change alot! None of these r practised in Africa. No.
22871987 2 years ago
LOL! To answer your questions:
Where in Africa do they do the meke?
We have dances similar in east africa (where you guys came from, of course)
Wear masi?
In Cameroon, Nigeria, Ghana, Congo, Uganda, Tanzania, Kenya, Mozambique, Ethiopia, etc. Almost all african countries wore/wear masi. One name for it is Lubugo.
thotsins 2 years ago
Would you like to know where Masi, Tapa, Kapa, Barkcloth originates?
Masi making is an old Egyptian practice, it is patterned after the way our ancestors in Kemet made Papyrus paper.
Strip the bark from the plant, soak it, pound it, stretch it, put the pieces together, keep pounding, set out to dry, paint it etc.
This is the way traditional paper was made.
We adapted the technique to trees in order to make clothing for the body. LOL!
thotsins 2 years ago