hello all and this was my 1st and most profound and fave in 76 . out of all the progressive i'd heard, this just took me to a different area. ..smokin leaves and whatever. iffin' you know what i mean. good times!
"Yeah, Unorthodox Behavior is a hell of an album. Percy Jones + John Goodsall = win. Phil Collins and Robin Lumley are good as well"
I beg the differ man.... Robin Lumley is the back bone behind brand x and collins was the perfect match even though percy's my fav. But my girls dad met goodsaw more than once and he said hes an asshole. but he does play a bad ass guitar
Phil came into big demands ,thats why Brandx was a a project status band ,Phil put together a fine fusion group here ,Im enjoying the band as I listen to stuff I never got to hear before
@wkassinfla can't disagree they are both incredibly stunning. However,I would put "Return to Forever" on the top podium. Chick , Al , Lenny, and Stanley.Talent wise, I would compare them as Fusion Jazz's answer to Prog Rock's Yes. God Bless the entire musical talent of all creative geniuses and those who strive to be the best. also check out band "Air" and Brazilian artist , Egberto Gismonti. Enjoy!
Maybe I am stating the obvious (I don't normally post or even read the commentary on these videos), but if you are new to this music and really like it, I would suggest you check out some stuff by Al DiMeola, John McLauglin and Jean-Luc Ponty. The first two are two of the greatest guitarists in the world, while JLP is a violinist. All feature bands with some of the finest musicians to be found anywhere.
@mtaygoldin I already have feels good to me, the instrumentals are awesome, but the song with the vocalist are aweful. One Of A Kind I just cant get into for some reason
For a musician fusion is like useing your brain more than usual playing cause of the mix of all styles being put together, its like musical aerobics for your body and mind
well it was obviously more lucrative... He is a great singer... but to "broadway" for lack of a better term...
I'm sure it doesn't bother him at night that people like us know the talented drummer he was... and remark that he should have stayed behind the drums... LOL
After all... who doesn't want to be the lead singer?
Good points. Collins' situation was interesting: Though not the singer of Gabriel's level, Phil did have his showmanship as Genesis' front man, perhaps stemming from his experience (since childhood) in acting, so stepping up after Gabriel's exit may have been more natural than one thinks -- a happy accident for the label execs, who weren't about to fix what wasn't broken. Now, if Phil were to generally sing AND stay behind the drums, a la the Eagles' Don Henley, then you'd have your wish.
@tanner9862 Oh I think they are both great singers in their own right... I of course hedge my bets with gabriel because he can do things with his voice that few can... probably one of the most emotional singers out there... but collins has some great vocal chops...
Not sure how effective he would have been doing both... I think that's why he stepped away from the drums... but let's keep in mind who first replaced him... bill bruford... that says a lot...
@chyrd He quit drumming because of a pinched nerve in his neck. Made it impossible to grip his sticks anymore, apparently. I saw Genesis in concert years ago with Chester Thompson on drums full-time but Phil would occasionally jump into his kit for extra drumming goodness. His kick pedal was a strange contraption that required him to strap something up onto his upper calf or something. I've never seen any other drummer with a similar setup.
@vbierry yeah but even he knows that he's not the drummer he once was... a couple of years ago, he went to see the Musical Box, and played with them for one song... after he got off the stage he stated he couldn't believe how difficult some of his old playing really was... He said he had a very difficult time keeping up with the rest of the band...
This was a very important album when it came out. Jazz was rubbing up against rock and the two forces were being discovered as one.
Highly technically proficient players are required for it and it shows.
The only problem Brand X ever had was that the listener must have a reasonably long attention span. Most people don't and that's why they didn't reach a giant audience. It can be an acquired taste...
For bokamaru: I see a couple of factors. The Gabriel + Collins incarnation of Genesis was not stylistically mainstream, was often in "magnum opus" territory, yet was lucrative as well as critically lauded. The very intensively instrumental prog bands (e.g., Happy The Man) fared less well. Brand X, then, might have profited commercially from a charismatic lead vocalist. One can imagine it "stealing" Peter away as a jazz-rock progressive vocalist ahead of Phil's own singing ascendance.
@bokamaru . Hi. I so agree with you. It takes skilled and profound musicians to write this music as well as "skilled and profound" listener to recognize and fully appreciate it. I have just discovered this album recently and it educating me already how to listen , what to hear and eventually how to express it all on as a player..
this album opened my innocent eyes to how utterly groovy phil collins could be - my friend, about 20 years older said 'guess who's drumming on this?' I couldn't believe it. Nuclear Burn was just rocked my world! I met Robin Lumley and told him - he gave me monitor recordings of a gig in LA! Ace geezer
Did I miss something? This was the first tune to get me into Brand X and Percy Jones bass style is the shit PERIOD! Secondly I love Bonzo but he can't swing or put soul into those feels like this drummer did! I sworn it was Phil Collins or Narrada Michael Walden but none the less it made me respect Phil's drumming way more than Genesis era and it's FUNKY
Just had an interesting thought....I'll bet John Bonham would have played these drum parts so well. After all, he was much the inspiration for most of fusion drum artists especially back in those days.
Yep, you're definitely right about that. For the rock rhythms, though, Bonham was pretty much leading the way back then. I'm trying to think of who else might have been leading the way with "rock" back then. Led Zep only comes to mind at the moment. If I remember correctly, Cobham was primarily playing with Weather Report which to me was kind of a lame attempt at "fusion". However, I have to admit that I didn't give Weather report much of a chance. Just didn't do much for me.
Ooops! You're right. The cassettes I had for both groups sounded essentially the same to me. I suppose I should dig out that old music and give it another listen.
Thanks for the dialog....Its good to chat with someone that knows music.
Weather Report's brand of fusion is commonly overlooked because of the prominent "cheesy" keyboard sounds that Joe Zawinul commonly used. You have to hear the right songs, and then you kind of get where he's coming from with his compositions.
Check out Elegant People, Herandu, Gibraltar, all off of Black Market. That was their defining album in my opinion.
It was an off the cuff remark. I really meant that it was a style that was quite antithetical to Zep's music at the time. I've got a lot of time for Bonzo's drumming but so I have for others too. Bruford, Cobham, Lenny White etc etc
No kidding! These guys we're so inventive and really helped to lead the whole concept of how to meld both rock and jazz. It amazes me that the "world" doesn't recognize Brand X as a top 5 influential group that primarily shaped and molded advanced Western music as it is today (along these lines). Phil was so inventive on drum!
still have the vinyl put away at my moms house, i was not old enough to buy it at the time it came out, had to pay a fair price from record collectors for do they hurt, morrocan roll, livestock, i love these dudes, i got into em looking into Crimson and looked up belew and then i was hooked.
I saw them my freshman year in 1977 here in Cincinnati. Kenwood Denard was the drummer but the rest of the guys were there. I hung out with them in the dressing room. Poor guys!!
@JazzFusionLover Percy Jones=THE man. I strained to learn the songs on "Product" when I started to play bass (well after I'd been at it four or five years, anyway :) ). Really one of the most wonderful bassists ever, along with my other favorites, Victor Wootten, Jaco Pastorius, Tony Levin, and Mark King.
I have the shortest attenttion span of all time and this band is killer!!!!!!!!!
ste8636 1 month ago
hello all and this was my 1st and most profound and fave in 76 . out of all the progressive i'd heard, this just took me to a different area. ..smokin leaves and whatever. iffin' you know what i mean. good times!
frippstar47 2 months ago
Wow I always loved Phil Collins... never realized he had all this other work! This stuff is great thanks for adding it to Youtube!
EricNicholasMusic 3 months ago in playlist YouTube Mix for Brand X
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"Yeah, Unorthodox Behavior is a hell of an album. Percy Jones + John Goodsall = win. Phil Collins and Robin Lumley are good as well"
I beg the differ man.... Robin Lumley is the back bone behind brand x and collins was the perfect match even though percy's my fav. But my girls dad met goodsaw more than once and he said hes an asshole. but he does play a bad ass guitar
AllenHoffman 6 months ago
I'll never forget listening to this. I was on the road with a country cover band in flyspec Ohio...
BopsStudios 6 months ago
2 people were in fact born ugly. :-)
cattybound2011 7 months ago
Phil came into big demands ,thats why Brandx was a a project status band ,Phil put together a fine fusion group here ,Im enjoying the band as I listen to stuff I never got to hear before
GrooveDoctor77 8 months ago
thats not what happened. He didn't put this band together, don't know where you got that from
people4people 7 months ago
@people4people well whoever put it together . after,Phils departure,, I never heard of em again
GrooveDoctor77 7 months ago
@GrooveDoctor77 yeah its a shame
people4people 4 months ago
Loved this when it came out.
TheColkevin 8 months ago
i want to listen more music like between 2:10 - 3:00
help me, give me some names of artists and songs.
muzcu 8 months ago
saw them in the early 80s at the Bottom Line n NYC. X and Weather Report are the two greatest fusion bands ever
wkassinfla 9 months ago
@wkassinfla can't disagree they are both incredibly stunning. However,I would put "Return to Forever" on the top podium. Chick , Al , Lenny, and Stanley.Talent wise, I would compare them as Fusion Jazz's answer to Prog Rock's Yes. God Bless the entire musical talent of all creative geniuses and those who strive to be the best. also check out band "Air" and Brazilian artist , Egberto Gismonti. Enjoy!
martock36 5 months ago
Masterpiece...
NotYourTypicalNegro 10 months ago
I grew up diggin' this !
fasteddy60 10 months ago
Maybe I am stating the obvious (I don't normally post or even read the commentary on these videos), but if you are new to this music and really like it, I would suggest you check out some stuff by Al DiMeola, John McLauglin and Jean-Luc Ponty. The first two are two of the greatest guitarists in the world, while JLP is a violinist. All feature bands with some of the finest musicians to be found anywhere.
johnroeper007 11 months ago
This is AWESOME!
Megafan1983 1 year ago
Great bass!
ep784 1 year ago
literally its my song: BORN FOKIN UGLY!!!! HAHAHA excellent piece
MrDERRISSONISRAEL 1 year ago
My favorite album!
Phil Collins played the best at that time!
marcinnsz 1 year ago
Zeitlos....Hammeralbum.....
DerIngo62 1 year ago
I wish someone would upload Euthanasia Waltz - their BEST song imo. thanks
Freenetnow 1 year ago
@Freenetnow uhh...my bad. just found it.
Freenetnow 1 year ago
I love this album, can anyone recommand any opther fusion albums similar to this one?
seb2112 1 year ago
@seb2112 maybe you already got them, if not check out Bill Bruford´s "one of a kind" and "feels good to me". Great albums.
mtaygoldin 1 year ago
@mtaygoldin I already have feels good to me, the instrumentals are awesome, but the song with the vocalist are aweful. One Of A Kind I just cant get into for some reason
seb2112 1 year ago
@electroexecutee Oh yeah... keep it up... please... =-D
chyrd 1 year ago
@electroexecutee grow up
chyrd 1 year ago
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chyrd 1 year ago
Speaking of "born ugly", anyone remember "ugly duckling" from "peter and the wolf"? "Marscape" also. ALL GREAT STUFF!
hubiex 1 year ago
@hubiex Hell yeah - that "Peter & the Wolf" album was way different.
localcrew 1 year ago
Acid, farms, strings and drums . . . yeah!
Wanderlustus 2 years ago
Takes me back. Thx for uploading.
ITM396 2 years ago
With awesome music like this you never need vocals....!!
Purely incredible talents.....!!!!
mrprogjazzgto 2 years ago
Also a bonus were the very witty sleeve notes including ;-
Produced by Dennis Mackay who was produced by Mrs mackay.
buvcakes 2 years ago
he's still been behind the drums recently.
he was at montreaux jazz festival a little while ago i think.
rhythmhat 2 years ago
I used to try and emulate the bass player, Percy Jones, but obviously that's impossible.
surfintubes 2 years ago 2
Jones kicks so much ass
but IMHO, Stanley Clarke is better
kbizzle999 2 years ago
For a musician fusion is like useing your brain more than usual playing cause of the mix of all styles being put together, its like musical aerobics for your body and mind
drumminginchicago9 2 years ago
whatever happened to Phil Collins... he was such a great drummer...
chyrd 2 years ago 14
He washed his big talent as a drummer, with his solo pop and Genesis..lol
adrian480 2 years ago
well it was obviously more lucrative... He is a great singer... but to "broadway" for lack of a better term...
I'm sure it doesn't bother him at night that people like us know the talented drummer he was... and remark that he should have stayed behind the drums... LOL
After all... who doesn't want to be the lead singer?
chyrd 2 years ago
Good points. Collins' situation was interesting: Though not the singer of Gabriel's level, Phil did have his showmanship as Genesis' front man, perhaps stemming from his experience (since childhood) in acting, so stepping up after Gabriel's exit may have been more natural than one thinks -- a happy accident for the label execs, who weren't about to fix what wasn't broken. Now, if Phil were to generally sing AND stay behind the drums, a la the Eagles' Don Henley, then you'd have your wish.
tanner9862 1 year ago
@tanner9862 Oh I think they are both great singers in their own right... I of course hedge my bets with gabriel because he can do things with his voice that few can... probably one of the most emotional singers out there... but collins has some great vocal chops...
Not sure how effective he would have been doing both... I think that's why he stepped away from the drums... but let's keep in mind who first replaced him... bill bruford... that says a lot...
chyrd 1 year ago
well with genesis 80 + cause when he was playing with Gabriels and hackett he was amazing too
julienprog 2 years ago
right!
tachoschieber 2 years ago
I can't belive someone actually clicked on the tumb down for this comment!!
what you say it's absolutely true!! and what happened to him... that's karma men... I'm telling you
pinkfloydcamel 2 years ago
@chyrd He quit drumming because of a pinched nerve in his neck. Made it impossible to grip his sticks anymore, apparently. I saw Genesis in concert years ago with Chester Thompson on drums full-time but Phil would occasionally jump into his kit for extra drumming goodness. His kick pedal was a strange contraption that required him to strap something up onto his upper calf or something. I've never seen any other drummer with a similar setup.
localcrew 1 year ago
@chyrd but hes not dead yet...
vbierry 1 year ago
@vbierry yeah but even he knows that he's not the drummer he once was... a couple of years ago, he went to see the Musical Box, and played with them for one song... after he got off the stage he stated he couldn't believe how difficult some of his old playing really was... He said he had a very difficult time keeping up with the rest of the band...
chyrd 1 year ago
@chyrd hmm ok my bad I didnt know that ;)
vbierry 1 year ago
@chyrd he sustained a back injury had to quit playing, became disillusioned with music and pondered suicide... I wish I was joking... poor Phil.
drumdadio 1 year ago
This was a very important album when it came out. Jazz was rubbing up against rock and the two forces were being discovered as one.
Highly technically proficient players are required for it and it shows.
The only problem Brand X ever had was that the listener must have a reasonably long attention span. Most people don't and that's why they didn't reach a giant audience. It can be an acquired taste...
Peace
Doug
bokamaru 2 years ago 15
For bokamaru: I see a couple of factors. The Gabriel + Collins incarnation of Genesis was not stylistically mainstream, was often in "magnum opus" territory, yet was lucrative as well as critically lauded. The very intensively instrumental prog bands (e.g., Happy The Man) fared less well. Brand X, then, might have profited commercially from a charismatic lead vocalist. One can imagine it "stealing" Peter away as a jazz-rock progressive vocalist ahead of Phil's own singing ascendance.
tanner9862 1 year ago
@bokamaru . Hi. I so agree with you. It takes skilled and profound musicians to write this music as well as "skilled and profound" listener to recognize and fully appreciate it. I have just discovered this album recently and it educating me already how to listen , what to hear and eventually how to express it all on as a player..
xmartanx 6 months ago
this album opened my innocent eyes to how utterly groovy phil collins could be - my friend, about 20 years older said 'guess who's drumming on this?' I couldn't believe it. Nuclear Burn was just rocked my world! I met Robin Lumley and told him - he gave me monitor recordings of a gig in LA! Ace geezer
TPEKHH 2 years ago
i dont like fusion , but this is swinging like hell !
julesmonendrumface 2 years ago
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fullmetalshaka 2 years ago
סאחטיין !!!!!!!!!!!!
Jgdola 2 years ago
wow this talk about drummers....
did ya'll forget about mitch mitchell?.. i guess ya' did,.. he was alot more free then Bonzo... I'm just sayin..
stratocharger 2 years ago
Did I miss something? This was the first tune to get me into Brand X and Percy Jones bass style is the shit PERIOD! Secondly I love Bonzo but he can't swing or put soul into those feels like this drummer did! I sworn it was Phil Collins or Narrada Michael Walden but none the less it made me respect Phil's drumming way more than Genesis era and it's FUNKY
Gfunk1 3 years ago
This song is a little Bass heavy. Otherwise pretty good though.
benchwarmer969 3 years ago
there are many drummers with better chops,technique,dynamics and overall sound than bonzo ever had. just my opinion.
mandrew81 3 years ago 2
Just had an interesting thought....I'll bet John Bonham would have played these drum parts so well. After all, he was much the inspiration for most of fusion drum artists especially back in those days.
Xformat01 3 years ago
Not to belittle Bonzo, but most fusion drummers listened alot to jazz drummers..Elvin Jones, Tony Williams, Billy Cobham etc..
PeterMayer 3 years ago
Yep, you're definitely right about that. For the rock rhythms, though, Bonham was pretty much leading the way back then. I'm trying to think of who else might have been leading the way with "rock" back then. Led Zep only comes to mind at the moment. If I remember correctly, Cobham was primarily playing with Weather Report which to me was kind of a lame attempt at "fusion". However, I have to admit that I didn't give Weather report much of a chance. Just didn't do much for me.
Xformat01 3 years ago
Cobham did not play with Weather Report. He played with John McLaughlin's Mahavishnu Orchestra.
PeterMayer 3 years ago 2
Ooops! You're right. The cassettes I had for both groups sounded essentially the same to me. I suppose I should dig out that old music and give it another listen.
Thanks for the dialog....Its good to chat with someone that knows music.
Xformat01 3 years ago
Weather Report's brand of fusion is commonly overlooked because of the prominent "cheesy" keyboard sounds that Joe Zawinul commonly used. You have to hear the right songs, and then you kind of get where he's coming from with his compositions.
Check out Elegant People, Herandu, Gibraltar, all off of Black Market. That was their defining album in my opinion.
AstroLogicalBeats 3 years ago
Hmmm, Bill bruford was a great drummer at this time and at all times,
boognish75 2 years ago
He's always been one of my favorites; very key to drumming history.
Xformat01 2 years ago
Very special sound. i like the cover also. Brand X is much better than 7 x
ladymuckefuck 2 years ago
Bonzo didn't even know what fusion was!
arthurmee 2 years ago
I'd be a bit surprised if that was true, as fusion was well on its way by the time John passed....but who knows the mind of another person....
Xformat01 2 years ago
It was an off the cuff remark. I really meant that it was a style that was quite antithetical to Zep's music at the time. I've got a lot of time for Bonzo's drumming but so I have for others too. Bruford, Cobham, Lenny White etc etc
arthurmee 2 years ago
Donewithmirrors......
No kidding! These guys we're so inventive and really helped to lead the whole concept of how to meld both rock and jazz. It amazes me that the "world" doesn't recognize Brand X as a top 5 influential group that primarily shaped and molded advanced Western music as it is today (along these lines). Phil was so inventive on drum!
Xformat01 3 years ago
my favorite fusion band! They should do something together again - with Phil ;P
DoneWithMirrors 3 years ago
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add that to the end of the URL for a stereo experience=huge difference!!!
1Triphammer1 3 years ago 2
Wooah, cheers man!
Slashandcarry 3 years ago
THE WHOLE BRAND X EXPERIENCE ,GREAT STUFF ! troglatite
troglatite 3 years ago 2
Es gibt ein Leben nach "Los Endos"
irlenbusch 3 years ago
still have the vinyl put away at my moms house, i was not old enough to buy it at the time it came out, had to pay a fair price from record collectors for do they hurt, morrocan roll, livestock, i love these dudes, i got into em looking into Crimson and looked up belew and then i was hooked.
boognish75 3 years ago
Brandtastic!! They were the best. Oh, and Gentle Giant. :)
spikerooney011 3 years ago 4
You're the man
greenblackswerl 2 years ago
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I can't get over how AWESOME this song is.. my god
Gys1231 3 years ago 6
No...U weren't the Only One who owned the album. Bought it in mid '70's. Also Morrocan Roll, Shades, Live Stock, Do They Hurt
bigslick45 3 years ago
I saw them my freshman year in 1977 here in Cincinnati. Kenwood Denard was the drummer but the rest of the guys were there. I hung out with them in the dressing room. Poor guys!!
PeterMayer 3 years ago
Wow, I thought i was the only one who owned this album. Great taste!
RobEye79 3 years ago 4
No you're not! I agree!
heimdallhinfrode 3 years ago
Outstanding!
RickHenry 3 years ago
Wow! Never expected to find some BX stuff here...still know every single note(after 30 Years)lol - thx for uploading!
redsan5 3 years ago
Bought this album straight off the turntable at the record store way back when
willingiam 3 years ago
mamma mia percy jones fa dei passaggi paurosi col basso....da brivido
Bruford1989 3 years ago
i love the synthesizer at the end
keep the jazz coming
karoloandria 3 years ago
my favorite fusion album too...
peddick 4 years ago
great fusion album and shows the diversity of phil collins
jackshack11 4 years ago 3
my favorite "fusion" album ever.
LOVE Euthanasia Waltz.
And Collin's drum work.
breakfastisready 4 years ago 3
Yeah, Unorthodox Behavior is a hell of an album. Percy Jones + John Goodsall = win. Phil Collins and Robin Lumley are good as well.
JazzFusionLover 4 years ago
@JazzFusionLover Percy Jones=THE man. I strained to learn the songs on "Product" when I started to play bass (well after I'd been at it four or five years, anyway :) ). Really one of the most wonderful bassists ever, along with my other favorites, Victor Wootten, Jaco Pastorius, Tony Levin, and Mark King.
Villagejonesy 5 months ago