have you tried using a switch mode charging circuit for the batteries, so that you can charge the batteries properly even with a lower voltage input. these are the chargers we use for Remote control hobby.
Something else Todd, just remember that what U R working with is roughly termed Cold Electricity as opposed to Hot Electricity which the majority of electrical engineers are used to, so some of their ideas may actually be adverse to improving your set-up. That said I am like U in that our learning curve is steep to say the least but in some ways it is a good thing we don't understand current laws of electricity as they do NOT fit with these circuits at all! No offense intended to anyone. Peace.
I agree...I am trying to understand all this myself. I am trying to mix the two. BEMF, secondary coil winding electricity(cold), and the alternator(hot)
As an ex electrical engineer, let me say that one of the courses that you take is "Pulse Circuits" which covers this type of stuff in quite a bit of detail. In another set of postings I mad an offer to Todd to give him some insight into what is going on, it could be fun and interesting.
The current laws of electricity do indeed fit with these circuits. If you want to discuss, hopefully the net result would be that you could approach future experiments with more insight, and get more out of it
@RockManAU So... if you're getting more power out (P=V*A) than you are putting in, why can't you get the motor started, then switch the battery out of the system so it runs off of itself?
Not convinced the starting amp draw has any bearing on this test as the device is already running (during the tests) & not only that the device only takes a tiny amount of kinetic energy to start it spinning (i.e it gains speed by its self). Also, yes analog meters are way better, but good fast digital meters give at least a ball park figure, meaning they are figures that are not to be discounted altogether. I too would love to see your schematic. I love the use of caps in the circuit. Rock On!
Hi, I have had some great spikes, I am getting spikes to 288v about every second. Problem I keep frying my reed switches. How do I stop frying my reed switches?
I'm sorry to disappoint you but, ac power cannot be calculated by IxV. Especially when there are capacitators and coils involved. Would you please search at wiki for "ac power" and redo all the calculations based on the right formulas. Another flaw is that you don't know the kind of wave theres in the output. I'm pretty sure it has a lot of noise which compromise the measuring of the power. Get an oscilloscope and you'll understand.
Nice effort anyway, i hope you could learn from your mistakes.
Me too...I hope someone who knows much more than I do will try this and give more accurate readings. Thanks for watching and good luck on building something of your own :)
Actually, use two - one on the input, one on the output.
To make a cheap calorimeter you can use a glass of water and a 2.2Ohm resistor which you put in the water. Don't worry about the effects of electrolysis. Hook up a calorimeter on the input, the other one on the output. You have to wire the 2.2Ohm resistors in series with the battery and the load.
first off great job!I was kicking around making one myself and wondered about using a briggs and stratton ignition coil for operating power as it is supposed to put out around 13000v at 250 rpms as you can guess i'm no electrician lol
You're pretty much seems to be a very educated in this field. Is there anything you could at least contribute rather than making a point that you know more than we do?
never claimed over unity. Magnets could amplify electricity which of course take energy to make magnets and magnets die out. IT would sure be a damn efficient motor if I can do it right. :)
Some of your readings must be in ac current, Thats why you see a false "overunity" reading. Ive been this route and my electrical engineer father showed me what they call voltage doublers. Look them up under google.
I will look that up thank you! I am testing the current on the DC side of the capacitor under load. I know that is real current. I just don't know if the pulse from the battery is real current I am measuring. It is SOOOOO low amps to run this motor.
he meassures effective current and effective voltage. 12v is DC, no doubt. .05 a ac or dc i don't think it will make a big difference compared to the output watts. its fillament lamps, no LEDs.
Yes, one can run such a pulse motor on attraction or repellation. Depends how you configure your magnet poles and your coil polarity during the firing pulse. With more coils surely you will have more torque and thus more output power. But if your input current reading is right, you should be able to selfrun the motor already. Just use the 10 Volts x 200 mA output coil to loop it back to the input and it should already selfrun ! ;) Good luck ! Regards, Stefan.
Do you use it to pulse the current for the relay coil ? Do you just feed one of the 2 bifilar coil windings only with current or both of them ? Do you use just one coil of the bifilar combination as a pickup coil only connected to the bridge rectifier and the cap ?
It would be great if you could publish the schematics/circuit diagrams and the general setup or point us to some webpages, so that others can start replicating.
not to discredit you or anything cause i think your doing great work but, starting volts on an air conditioner (or everything i think) has more stating amps. so if you are pulseing the input it might be more input amps. I guess like gasoline mileage in stop and go traffic.
AGREED! I dont know how to accurately do that. Have you found anyone with suggestions? If this is not accurate I believe I owe it to people to give correct information!
no, but if you have any suggestions please let me know. My other videos do have to do with hho gas... therefore, though I appreciate constructive criticism, I would appreciate it if you gather your facts before making assumptions.
Todd, I have been told that Digital measuring instruments are not good at measuring pulsed signals. Would you try measuring the current and voltage with analog meters and find out the values of input and output voltage and current.
NOW will someone replicate this and post results? Or something like this? I mean you don't have to use a saw blade, PVC, and crappy $2.00 magnets, but if you want to its ok lol :)
First you need a reed switch, an automotive relay, a battery, 22 and 26 gauge magnet wire, iron or welding rods for the core, 4 ceramic magnets 3/4 by 1 1/2 by 1/4 inches, PVC pipe, two full wave bridge rectifiers, two 2200uf 50v capacitors and connecting wire. Thats it! This is not a Bedini circuit although I am capturing spikes from the back emf AND the collapsing magnetic field on the second winding. I am just doing it with a relay switch instead of a transistor.
Ok. I already have coil. And reed swich. Ferrite magnets, but when I now tried to make it spin, it only stay in one position. How is your magnets putted? NNNN or SSSS or NSNS?
I have ordered panel meters which should be in by Friday!. I am also going to glue neo magnets on the open space on the left and place the coil under the neos and see what readings I get. They will come in the mail Thurdays :) I CAN'T wait to see your setup Mart. Send a pick!
Caps are the key NO DOUBT! People were telling me it wasn't "true current" so I read up on capacitors and they DO smooth out the current AND capture the radiant spikes!
the motor is spinning quite slow, use a brushless motor and the system will be even more effecient.
MattBlytheTheOne 2 years ago
I just did the math for this circuit. I wanted it to be overunity but it is still an efficient little motor.
Total Input wattage - 6.9483W
Total Output wattage - 3.4758W
Roughly 50% efficient.
Pwordchernoir 3 years ago
12.19v X 0.057A = 0.69483Watts
he said 57mA NOT 570mA!
I think you missed off the zero point in your calculations ;)
MattBlytheTheOne 2 years ago
great job!!! i was wondering could i use this circut on my newman machine? would it work the same?
zeropointprophet 3 years ago
have you tried using a switch mode charging circuit for the batteries, so that you can charge the batteries properly even with a lower voltage input. these are the chargers we use for Remote control hobby.
masmagalingako 3 years ago
more power from the emf ,mage your alternator into a moter with a second set of windings,and get emf from all sets..
justme417 4 years ago
Something else Todd, just remember that what U R working with is roughly termed Cold Electricity as opposed to Hot Electricity which the majority of electrical engineers are used to, so some of their ideas may actually be adverse to improving your set-up. That said I am like U in that our learning curve is steep to say the least but in some ways it is a good thing we don't understand current laws of electricity as they do NOT fit with these circuits at all! No offense intended to anyone. Peace.
RockManAU 4 years ago
I agree...I am trying to understand all this myself. I am trying to mix the two. BEMF, secondary coil winding electricity(cold), and the alternator(hot)
Todd
ktservicescorp 4 years ago
As an ex electrical engineer, let me say that one of the courses that you take is "Pulse Circuits" which covers this type of stuff in quite a bit of detail. In another set of postings I mad an offer to Todd to give him some insight into what is going on, it could be fun and interesting.
The current laws of electricity do indeed fit with these circuits. If you want to discuss, hopefully the net result would be that you could approach future experiments with more insight, and get more out of it
Drevtoobe 4 years ago
@RockManAU So... if you're getting more power out (P=V*A) than you are putting in, why can't you get the motor started, then switch the battery out of the system so it runs off of itself?
quasirobo 6 months ago
Not convinced the starting amp draw has any bearing on this test as the device is already running (during the tests) & not only that the device only takes a tiny amount of kinetic energy to start it spinning (i.e it gains speed by its self). Also, yes analog meters are way better, but good fast digital meters give at least a ball park figure, meaning they are figures that are not to be discounted altogether. I too would love to see your schematic. I love the use of caps in the circuit. Rock On!
RockManAU 4 years ago
Hi, I have had some great spikes, I am getting spikes to 288v about every second. Problem I keep frying my reed switches. How do I stop frying my reed switches?
Thanks.
leewayx9 4 years ago
put a relay in between so low voltage on the reed switch triggers the current to the coil.
Todd
ktservicescorp 4 years ago
I'm sorry to disappoint you but, ac power cannot be calculated by IxV. Especially when there are capacitators and coils involved. Would you please search at wiki for "ac power" and redo all the calculations based on the right formulas. Another flaw is that you don't know the kind of wave theres in the output. I'm pretty sure it has a lot of noise which compromise the measuring of the power. Get an oscilloscope and you'll understand.
Nice effort anyway, i hope you could learn from your mistakes.
ZoopRusty 4 years ago
Me too...I hope someone who knows much more than I do will try this and give more accurate readings. Thanks for watching and good luck on building something of your own :)
Todd
ktservicescorp 4 years ago
For accurate measurements use a calorimeter.
Actually, use two - one on the input, one on the output.
To make a cheap calorimeter you can use a glass of water and a 2.2Ohm resistor which you put in the water. Don't worry about the effects of electrolysis. Hook up a calorimeter on the input, the other one on the output. You have to wire the 2.2Ohm resistors in series with the battery and the load.
If the output boils the water first... :-)
kudortamas 4 years ago
first off great job!I was kicking around making one myself and wondered about using a briggs and stratton ignition coil for operating power as it is supposed to put out around 13000v at 250 rpms as you can guess i'm no electrician lol
markanthoney11 3 years ago
You're pretty much seems to be a very educated in this field. Is there anything you could at least contribute rather than making a point that you know more than we do?
jonjetzone 3 years ago
Input is pulsed and indeed the start amps are important. They could nullify the 'overunity' fact.
phoebus1966 4 years ago
never claimed over unity. Magnets could amplify electricity which of course take energy to make magnets and magnets die out. IT would sure be a damn efficient motor if I can do it right. :)
ktservicescorp 4 years ago
Some of your readings must be in ac current, Thats why you see a false "overunity" reading. Ive been this route and my electrical engineer father showed me what they call voltage doublers. Look them up under google.
ddanvos68 4 years ago
I will look that up thank you! I am testing the current on the DC side of the capacitor under load. I know that is real current. I just don't know if the pulse from the battery is real current I am measuring. It is SOOOOO low amps to run this motor.
ktservicescorp 4 years ago
he meassures effective current and effective voltage. 12v is DC, no doubt. .05 a ac or dc i don't think it will make a big difference compared to the output watts. its fillament lamps, no LEDs.
phoebus1966 4 years ago
i like this, good luck! i wish to you get motor running on self loop!
riku2015 4 years ago
Hi KT,
try to run this motor just of the
Output 2(Back EMF):
10.10v * .197a = 1.99watts
power.
This should be enough to
loop it and run it by itsself...
So maybe you can already make it a selfrunning unit.
Good luck.
Regards, Stefan.
overunitydotcom 4 years ago
If you switch on the current via the relay,
do you attract the next magnet from the rotor
or do you repell it via the pulse coil ?
overunitydotcom 4 years ago
Repel...Why? Should I make another coil on the other side that attracts?
ktservicescorp 4 years ago
overunitydotcom 4 years ago
Please come to
overunity dot com/index.php/topic,4010.0.html
I opened up a new thread about
ktservicescorp´s great videos !
Please post your schematic over there.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
overunitydotcom 4 years ago
Where is the Reed switch connected ?
Do you use it to pulse the current for the relay coil ? Do you just feed one of the 2 bifilar coil windings only with current or both of them ? Do you use just one coil of the bifilar combination as a pickup coil only connected to the bridge rectifier and the cap ?
Please come to overunity dot com and report.
Many thanks. Regards, Stefan.
overunitydotcom 4 years ago
Todd,
It would be great if you could publish the schematics/circuit diagrams and the general setup or point us to some webpages, so that others can start replicating.
Regards
Zapper
zapperindia 4 years ago
Going to make video today.
Todd
ktservicescorp 4 years ago
not to discredit you or anything cause i think your doing great work but, starting volts on an air conditioner (or everything i think) has more stating amps. so if you are pulseing the input it might be more input amps. I guess like gasoline mileage in stop and go traffic.
crob227 4 years ago
but also the faster you spin the rotor the lower the amps are, i think we both need a new way of measureing pulse dc current
crob227 4 years ago
AGREED! I dont know how to accurately do that. Have you found anyone with suggestions? If this is not accurate I believe I owe it to people to give correct information!
Todd
ktservicescorp 4 years ago
ill ask around, maybe ask kubicop if his scope measure pulse dc,or at least a better measurement, of the start amps of each pulse.
crob227 4 years ago
Good stuff Todd.
W1930U7 4 years ago
Please remove tags hho and hydrogen on videos not using it or making it. Thanks and keep on.
What multimeter is that? Is it made to accurately measure pulses with mA?
johthe 4 years ago
no, but if you have any suggestions please let me know. My other videos do have to do with hho gas... therefore, though I appreciate constructive criticism, I would appreciate it if you gather your facts before making assumptions.
Regards,
Todd
ktservicescorp 4 years ago
Todd, I have been told that Digital measuring instruments are not good at measuring pulsed signals. Would you try measuring the current and voltage with analog meters and find out the values of input and output voltage and current.
Regards,
Zapper
zapperindia 4 years ago
NOW will someone replicate this and post results? Or something like this? I mean you don't have to use a saw blade, PVC, and crappy $2.00 magnets, but if you want to its ok lol :)
ktservicescorp 4 years ago
I will do...If I get the circuits...!
Careica
Careica 4 years ago
First you need a reed switch, an automotive relay, a battery, 22 and 26 gauge magnet wire, iron or welding rods for the core, 4 ceramic magnets 3/4 by 1 1/2 by 1/4 inches, PVC pipe, two full wave bridge rectifiers, two 2200uf 50v capacitors and connecting wire. Thats it! This is not a Bedini circuit although I am capturing spikes from the back emf AND the collapsing magnetic field on the second winding. I am just doing it with a relay switch instead of a transistor.
ktservicescorp 4 years ago
Ok. I already have coil. And reed swich. Ferrite magnets, but when I now tried to make it spin, it only stay in one position. How is your magnets putted? NNNN or SSSS or NSNS?
Careica 4 years ago
You must have some hampsters in great shape inside that PVC! he he ....
Great job my friend FYI mine is now spinning the magnets should come in today.
One note, better to use an analog meter for your measurements, the pulse messes up the digital mesurement.
marthale7 4 years ago
I have ordered panel meters which should be in by Friday!. I am also going to glue neo magnets on the open space on the left and place the coil under the neos and see what readings I get. They will come in the mail Thurdays :) I CAN'T wait to see your setup Mart. Send a pick!
Todd
ktservicescorp 4 years ago
Awesome!!
CarbideTip 4 years ago
Thank you!
Todd
ktservicescorp 4 years ago
Realy good work my friend!
But can you tell where I can find those circuits, I have send to you message.
Reg. Careica
Careica 4 years ago
I will do a detailed video on the complete setup tonight.
ktservicescorp 4 years ago
seems like that cap is catching a little extra voltage! bedinni would be proud
tvryb 4 years ago
Caps are the key NO DOUBT! People were telling me it wasn't "true current" so I read up on capacitors and they DO smooth out the current AND capture the radiant spikes!
Todd
ktservicescorp 4 years ago
its really looking great. keep it up
czarwright 4 years ago
Thank you!
Todd
ktservicescorp 4 years ago
good job KT keep going i faith in you!
pi3573 4 years ago
Thank you!
Todd
ktservicescorp 4 years ago
sweeeeeeet!
MAllen7424 4 years ago
Thank you!
Todd
ktservicescorp 4 years ago