Dr. Flowers: "Stop this Abusive Health Care Situation!"

[discountbrains]

Take the Small Business Administration they provide a lot of assistance to help small businesses be a success, but all the government gets is criticism from business and people like you. Or take the CDC, what if there was no agency keeping tract of diseases and epidemics? You are one ignorant piece of crap. What you are talking about is the military; that's where Raygun got his notion that there was a lot of government waste!

[discountbrains]

higg, you buy into that mantra of the political right. They recite the same mantra repeatedly and fools like you believe it. We are rated as 37th in the World in healthacre by the World Health Org! Yet we pay 50% to 100% more. You want to tell me about waste? You would be surprised about how frugal these agecies you mentioned are if you ever worked in one. These agencies provide many benefits to you that you don't appreciate.

[jeannettetita]

Baloney!

Anyone who wants to keep more of the same dealt out by the Bush administration that keeps so many uninsured and many more underinsured is likely thinking with his/her head in the sand. The status quo of 'healthcare' today is much more expensive than that proposed by President Obama.

[higgme1ster]

The Baucus 8 would kill us all as in Socialist countries. Single payer nations allow people to die while awaiting appointments for Physicians or critical medical procedures. You don't hear of this often enough because the aggrieved isn't alive to provide witness. No one can complain actually, because death is the natural order of things. Give me Capitalist inspired, privately insured American healthcare over Socialist mass deception and bureaucratic mendacity.

[timparcival]

higgme,

And who's paying you to say that? Yeah, I was at a "town meeting" with a senator just the other night, and there were plants there too, asking questions like yours though more subtle.

Do some complain in medical systems like UK? Sure, but are the vast majority happy with the system? YES!

I talked with a dyed-in-the-wool Tory less than a year ago, and he called the UK system "revolutionary." Another said she'd die for it.

In short: you're full of it.

[higgme1ster]

I am an individual in no one's pocket. I am against my government controlling my life in any way, especially my healthcare. You think government is your friend to be trusted?! Balderdash! I spent six years in the military and already know what regimented government run healthcare is like from that. You only see a Doctor or get procedures if they deign to allow it. Remember M*A*S*H, "is he officer or enlisted?" "Enlisted," "Then make the sutures big. You only get what you pay for!

[timparcival]

higg,

1) MASH was a movie, a comedy, and and anti-war commentary. And it was military--and a bunch of physicians who were drafted and didn't even want to be there. Get it?

2) It's not a question of "control." It's a question of availability. Are the insurance companies to be trusted? You pay your dividends and they won't cover you when you need them?

[higgme1ster]

You are a Socialist, trusting government to provide bureaucratically controlled medical services and I am a Capitalist that understands that the private sector is the only way to continue to have the best healthcare in the World up to now. Never you mind that the IRS, the Postal Service, Dept of Ed., the VA, Commerce Dept, HUD, GAO, DOJ, the Park Service, DEA, numerous institutions - ad infinitum, are continually criticized as paragons of waste, inefficiency and incompetence.

[higgme1ster]

So Tim, as you think if is OK for government to force me at gunpoint to accept your world view, just have them pull the trigger. After all, Im going to die eventually. You know you really want them to. Oh, I just called my dentist for an appointment Monday only one weekday later. Then I called my Doctors office for an appointment effortlessly. I have no fear that my insurance wont pay for the visits. I greatly fear the personal privacy intrusion of Government provided healthcare.

[timparcival]

higgs,

In front of whose gun are you standing? Not mine! (I don't own one, and never will.)

I'll die eventually too. I'm undergoing a cancer procedure in two weeks. Without the treatment I've undergone, I may have been dead for a couple of years. My spouse and I pay upwards of $17,000 a year for insurance. I'd have paid nearly $20,000 already for what I've had to undergo, and the procedure will be worth about $20,000.

Most of us DON'T HAVE that kind of money. So, we should die? Thanks.

[timparcival]

higgs,

Bureaucratically controlled, huh? Did you know that there are 400,000 employees of insurance companies nationwide whose responsibility is to turn down claims?

On what grounds do you assume that a government system is more "bureaucratic" than a corporate system? What evidence have you?

Criticized as paragons of waste BY WHOM? I can answer for you: Those who are being regulated by them.

Best healthcare in the world? What planet are you from?

[ddean1987]

the capitalist private healthcare sector won't give me healthcare because of my pre-existing condition. what am i supposed to do to fix that?

[pluto4847]

@ddean1987

Good question.

Either get a Health Savings Account, or start investing in silver bullion.

My silver account helps me pay for my medical bills because its valued more than the dollar.

[emschurch]

Apparently you have never had to have any sort of "elective" surgery. I have in the last two years and both times my insurance company made decision about when I could have those procedures. Not my doctor, not me, my insurance company. I also had to wait both times--the first time they delayed long enough that my deductible no longer applied so I got stuck with a larger portion of the bill. Its not the Baucus 8 that are killing us its the For Profit health care industry we have in the country

[Silberdachs]

Heres a rundown of money that the people who are blocking real reform in health care have received from the health care industry: Specter ($4,02m) Baucus ($2,8m) McConnell ($2.7m) When you take a look at Big Insurance, the non-presidential candidates who got biggest legalized bribes were the 7 senators tasked with the job of killing single-payer: Nelson ($1.1m) Baucus ($1.1m) Lieberman ($1.03m) Specter ($1.03m) Schumer ( $0.98m) McConnell ($0.93m) Grassley ($0.88m)

[johnrussellCD5]

Hooray For The Baucus 8! Way to stand up! The truth is that our elected "representatives have no reason whatsoever to listen to us. They are totally BOUGHT AND PAID FOR by Corporate America through their lobbyists.

The REAL Reform is Election and Campaign FINANCE REform that would cure all of this. Civil Rights movement IS what is required here. Anything less will be worthless! I've had a single payer plan for 6 years now. It IS The $! John Russell ARNP/MBA Dem Nominee 2006-08 US Hse5FL

[ubuibiok]

The Big Question is will House Speaker Pelosi schedule the vote on HR 676 before Single Payer has a chance of passage ... or will OUTSIDE PRESSURE calender it to soon FOR A VOTE, before the new citizen PRESSURE ON THERE ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES can override the Healthcare Industry ???