Have Progressives actually made any progress on antyhing? Please post those achievements here. Bonny Frank is NOT friend of mine. And, the Durbin debit now costs many of us $60 per year.
There is nothing quite like looking at a youtube comment section to truly understand what has happened to public debate in this country. The echo chamber is alive and well.
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Look at Obama preventing Jobs in S. Carolina; Gov AGAIN telling Private Business where it can or cannot open up shop. This is America? Obama is a Dictator! How DARE HE tell Boeing they cannot open up in S. Carolina for whatever reason! Obama killing 1000's of jobs. Brazil gets Obama's blessing to drill & we'll be their best customer, meanwhile, no such think in the U.S.., when R U Libs going to wake up! GET GOV OUT OF THE WAY & AMERICA WILL GET BACK ON TRACK AGAIN!
Hey Feingold, Y don't you learn how to run a bus., balance a budget & meet payroll before u open your inept bus. inexperienced mouth? Gov involvement is and has always been the countries worst enemy. Any time Gov gets involved in the private sector, IT BLOWS UP; hence why Carter admin & Clinton Admin politics of getting EVERYONE a mortgage whether they could afford it or not because the tax payers would back it FAILED US! U R all there to find a problem to correct to get votes; u r our ruination
It's simple Feingold, yes, get rid of coporate welfare, backdoor deals the Obama Admin loves so much, Gov subsidies, etc.. close loop holes for Obama's buddies with GE, but also get rid of Gov involvement in busines period; let the free market do it's magic, the only time screw ups occur is when Gov gets in the way... Competition allows the good to survive, the bad to disappear. Get back to the constitution, get ride of the progressives. How much more waste do u people have to see?
The government spent over $30,000 in taxpayer dollars (cost of grants and loan subsidies) per unserved house connecting them to the Internet! If you take 3G broadband into account (which granted isn't as fast or as dependable as fixed broadband) the cost per unserved house climbs to almost $350,000! The Gov still sending checks out to prisoners, dead people & illegal aliens, The Gov spends $105Bill in duplicative spending; Russia & China increase their space program because US backs out
@WingThaiJ First of all numbnuts there is no true free-markets. If there were mom and pop businesses would still florish..instead of multi-national corporations. It is very hard for small business to survive today.They actually try to play by the rules even pay taxes unlike the corporations.Yea you stupid sheeple amaze me...less regulation right...that is what got us where we are now.
@abbadabbadolittle BTW, Sorry for saying F You; I don't like taking it to that level... w/the deficit the way it is; I just don't understand why so many people are still willing to hand Obama a blank check. Taking in more revenue does NOTHING when the $ is being spent on all kinds of crap & being wasted. The Dems only claim the Stimulus was useful for political reasons, they know DAMN WELL it failed!
@abbadabbadolittle Here is the bottom line. Producers, those who create jobs, while they have capital know that the Obama administration environment & policies are NOT conducive toward job creation. Listen to Steve Wynn yourself & consider all the job creators there are out there who know what Steve knows: Search this on YouTube: Steve Wynn Goes On Epic Anti-Obama Rant On Company Conference Call
@WingThaiJ First bailout GWBush...plus money has been flowing through subsidies and lucrative gov. contracts forever...you act like OBama was the first...wake up.
@abbadabbadolittle Hey Great,we actually agree w/something. It's just that Obama had to out do him & on top of it still wants to piss more $ awayHow come this lawyer only pays attention to pencil pusher economics teachers instead of people who really function in real world like Jim Rogers. He doesn't listen to his Military experts he's had more training then they had in his studies to become a lawyer I suppose.Carter was 1st, B.Franks & C.Dod really screwed us & Clinton policies for Mortgages
@abbadabbadolittle Your right, they all screw up; lesson learned is to make Gov SMALLER; there would be no reason for Corps to get involved w/bus in 1st place if Gov didn't get involved w/business. See what the mixture of both does? Now what party is talking deficit cutting, cutting spending? You can't spend tax payer $ to try to employee people in an environment that has no natural environment for growg bus.. supply/demand has to be there; pissg $ into programs does nothing but waste more $
Why did they vote him out? Along with Grayson that meant the only Democrat with backbone left was Weiner and he's probably going to be pressured to resign. We truly do need to unite to take on the manipulative intimidation that the American right wing puts out.
@gingerkid963 yes....u watch too much FOX fake terrorist news propaganda..NAFTA has done nothing but pay US companies to close US plants and open plants in Mexico..so they can use slave labor pollute at will and then import the goods to sell in the US....GM after being bailed out by US tax payers invested over $500 million in a new plant in Mexico over $200 million in Canada and only around $100 million in updates to a US plant..NAFTA was great for the US economy right ??
@xadam2dudex PART EEE:Boeing decision to object to Boeing's new plant being built in a "right to work" state (South Carolina, I think). Anyway, take the US auto industry, its peak in he 60's was succeeded by a steady decline where a combination of above market wages and benefits priced workers out of the market. More importantly, work rules and punitive payments to existing workers as new labor saving equipment destroyed both ...(GO TO PART FFF)
So the idiots voted Feingold out and Walker in..another tale of stupid voters voting against their own best interests because of media influence.....completion of the dumbing of Americans.
@abbadabbadolittle it is hard to believe that there are that many stupid people.. the republicans have hired programmers to have the voting machines rigged to fix the elections .. I think the last election was one of those elections that was set up thru the media to convince people the dems were going to lose so that the election results wouldn't be questioned...watch?v=JEzY2tnwExs
@xadam2dudex U will be the one feeling stupid after U read this. You'll never believe you fell for this Progressive CRAP, but not too many progressives actually no how bus. works in the real world. Read & Learn!
@xadam2dudexPART AAA:I've spoke to so many people on here I was just tired of the back & forth;however, Allgoo19 kept reverting back to1thing that my sources would have answered for him, but he insisted I converse w/him.So thanks to him,I've come up w/an explanation for people to WAKE UP&get out of progressive movement or if ur already smart enough to have not gotten involved in the 1st place,U can use this info. to your benefit in many ways.Here it is:GO TO PART BBB(TOMAKE IT EASIER TO TRACK)
@xadam2dudex PART BBB:We allowed unions to use the power given to them by FDR under the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA) of 1936 to both raise wage rates and benefits and discourage labor saving technologies to eventually make our basic industries uncompetitive in world markets (e.g. steel, autos, etc.), thus exporting them to China and elsewhere. The National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) was set up by FDR to "balance" the power given ..(GO TO PART CCC)
@xadam2dudex PART CCC:to the unions by the NLRA (FDR said that he knew the NLRA effectively allowed the unions the right to seize private property(factories) so he had to balance this power (interestingly, he also said that he could not grant this power to the public employee unions because they would have endless sources of money from taxpayers) He left the decision to allow public employee collective bargaining to the states. The first state ..(GO TO PART DDD)
@xadam2dudex PART DDD:to grant the right to collective bargaining was Bob Lafollet's (progressive that he was) Wisconsin. You see where that got us!Fast forward to today, Obama, the most blatantly political of Presidents (commie that he most assuredly is) appointed the union's lawyer to the NLRB (under recess appointment-the only way to get him on the board since congress would not approve him) and he was the deciding vote on the board's ..(GO TO PART EEE)
@xadam2dudex PART FFF:productivity and profitability (when GM went bankrupt they paid more per car for workers not working ($2,000) than for the steel (produced and shipped from mostly India- $1,800) used to produce the cars! Without productive, modern facilities and an efficient, smaller, high paid skilled workforce (like Germany has now-German govt was not bought and paid for by its unions as we are) we lost our base industries (and ...(GO TO PART GGG)
@xadam2dudex PART GGG:others that would have located here if we were more employer friendly-put in a better way "free"). In the name of giving the "working man" a better life, higher wages and more power, we have turned our backs on world market competition and the freedom to own private property and use it productively. We call it "fairness", "socially correct" or whatever phrase that sounds good, but it is giving the right for a relatively small ...(GO TO PART HHH)
@xadam2dudex PART HHH:number of people (union members) to steal private property and put their self-interest before that of the world consumer. It is communism that is called market-socialism or a mixed economy. As we now witness, there is no such thing. It is made up nonsense by people who do not accept that the world is as it is and we cannot pretend that we can control or outsmart it for some hubristically fantasized "common good". (GO TO PART III)
@xadam2dudex PART III:Take away a progressives' words like "ought" and "should" and he has no ideas that work in the real world. His ideas deny that we are creatures that evolved from a Darwinian world that just is and whenever we seek to outsmart it, we create "unintended consequences" that result in inefficiencies that now "hollow out" our wage earning population to produce the phenomenon we are now witness to: highly ..(GO TO PART JJJ)
@xadam2dudex PART JJJ:productive, well educated, highly paid people at the top with the skills and wealth to live and do well in the global economic real world, and those that were hoodwinked into thinking that their pretend world unions could allow them to escape that real world. A reality that turns out to be exactly the opposite of what the progressives intended when they interfered in the real world market process with their short term pretend ...(GO TO PART KK( )
@xadam2dudex PART KK():"ideas" that effectively ruined history's most productive economy. The progressives lead the lambs to the slaughter with their hubristic, idealistic, denial of the efficiency of free men that must operate freely in free markets without the interference of idealists with utopian ideas that think they're smarter than a Darwinistic real world. I omitted the connection between unionism in our base industries (particularly steel (GO TO PART LL)
@xadam2dudex PART LLL:&autos)&effects of wrk rules&gov regs on productivity & innovation.After the unions forced wage rates to unsustainable levels w/a combination of work stoppage disruptions(augmented by FDR's NLRA), punative payments to wrkrs displaced by innovations /automations of the work process & union political activism (u, Mr. Politician, agree to help me, Mr. Union Leader, get better pay, benefits & more restrictive, union member "work rights" & I, Mr. Union Leader, (GO TO PART MMM)
@xadam2dudex PART MMM:agree to "kick back" some of that additional money you make manufacturers pay to my member workers to keep you, Mr. Politician, in office and we'll pass it on to everyone who wants to buy a car). The unintended consequences of the Bernie Maidoffesque corrupt process included; 1) an unsustainable wage rate that made the cost of the cars higher in world markets with loss of American cars' market share (less ...(GO TO PART NNN)
@xadam2dudex PART NNN: critical mass of demand, less economies of scale, higher unit prices-a cost, loss of share, more cost death spiral). 2) manufacturers' need to automate out those more expensive workers to compete (the Germans became very good at this. They didn't have as punative a payment for laid off workers as our auto companies had). As a result the Germans now make more cars with less workers and have jobs for displaced (GO TO PART OOO)
@xadam2dudex PART OOO:skilled workers in plants making automated, labor saving machinery. Jobs we do not have due to our plethora of manufacturer unfriendly work rules and regulations. The real problem (another of a myriad of unintended consequences of progressive thinking) was that those talented German engineers and industrial designers built, for the first time in history, machines that not only built more for less, but had brains! They fixed ..(GO TO PART PPP)
@xadam2dudex PART PPP:problems themselves or notified the worker on the line about problems in real time-building in QUALITY as well as labor saving quantity! That act empowered a half a billion less skilled workers in an emerging China to leap forward from an economy frozen in the 19th century when Deng Chou Ping "opened up" China's economy in 1978 to the 21st century in less than a generation. Our vaunted progressive ideas ...(GO TO PART QQQ)
@xadam2dudex PART QQQ:F'ed us big time! My brother-in-law saw it himself. He went to China in 1979 (went to HK and crossed into the first "opened up" Special Economic Zone (SEZ) a 350,000 population fishing village called Shenzhen. Now a city he just visited in May with a population exceeding 12 million!) We lost our industries, our jobs, our incentives to innovate, our workers' drive, our workers' need to perform and produce to keep ...(GO TO PART RRR)
@xadam2dudex PART RRR:their job; all in the name "fairness", "workers' rights", making fair wages, protecting the workers (OSHA regulations), the environment, womens' rights to equal pay, and on and on-focusing on politically correct, utopian pretend fantasies that ignored the truth; the world's consumers want the best product at the best price-they are little effected by how it's made or who makes it. It may be a "shame", it "ought" to be ..(GO TO PART SSS)
@xadam2dudex PART SSS:different it "should" be different but it isn't! Progressives ideas do not work in the real world and cannot succeed without the use of those words-ought and should. In ALLOO19's question he suggested that the New Deal ended in the 60's and that somehow its ending lead to a subsequent decline. Not true.
It never went away. Some programs were declared unconstitutional (FDR tried to power through the court by..(GO TO PART TTT)
@xadam2dudex PART TTT:packing" it by increasing the number of justices so he could appoint activist judges that agreed with his programs), others were modified, expanded or broadened by LBJ in his "Great Society" programs of the b60's. The major programs and structures are still here largely under their original names. These New Deal programs were largely based on old, progressive ideas suggested during the late 1800s and early 1900s at ..(GO TO PART UUU)
@xadam2dudex PART UUU:the end of greatst economic boom in world histry American"Golden Age"circa1850-1910The time of "Robber Barons"-Carnege,Vanderbilt, Morgan,Scrantons,etc.These entrepreneurs were labeled RobberBarons by "muckrackers",crusading progressive journalists like Ida Tarbell&Upton Sinclair who labeled them as largely selfish&corrupt.The early progressive agenda could not pass congress until crisis of Great Dep(sound familiar?"Never let a good crisis go to waste"-Rahm(GO TO PART VVV)
@xadam2dudex PART VVV:Emmanuel, 2008-9). New Deal programs are still here today. They include; labor support programs (NLRA, Wagner Act & Fair Labor Standards Act-setting maximum work hours and minimum wage), housing (FHA), farm subsidies, Social Security, FDIC, the SECThe Progressive movement advocated "improving what exists" by using one's intellect and making use of scientific methods for areas that were not ..(GO TO PART W W W)
@xadam2dudex PART W W W:thought to be effected by sciences (social "sciences"). This group of progressives included "eugenicists" who believed fervently in the new science of genetics and the discoveries of Darwin (John Maynard Keynes was a eugenicist). They believed that the human gene pool could be "improved" by discouraging the proliferation of "inferior" people and races. Minimum wages were originally conceived by ..(GO TO PART XXX)
@xadam2dudex PART XXX:these superior thinkers (progressive eugenicists) as raising the price of labor to discourage the hiring of "inferiors" (blacks, the Irish and others) by pricing them out of the labor market. They sincerely believed that their superior intellect could "improve things by superior intellect and scientific methods being employed in societal planning". They read Darwin and got it wrong. Instead of accepting the world as it is and ..(GO TO PART YYY)
@xadam2dudex PART YYY:accepting how it operated and using intellect to understand and adapt (evolve) to and with it, their hubris lead them to believe that their superior intellect could change it for the "better" as they sought to define better. Their views have lead to today's America, a mixed economy pretending to be "free" while having to cope with the myriad of unintended consequences of the "better ideas" enacted by the progressives who can't ..(GO TO PART ZZZ)
@xadam2dudex PART ZZZ:accept that the consequences we now deal with are the result of their own misguided actions intended to "improve reality", "make the world a better place", make things "fairer". Darwin taught us that the world is what it is and everything in it evolves as changes are judged in an uncertain future that no one can forecast. Physical mutations, concepts, innovations, ideas etc. can only be judged by their success or failure ..(GO TO PART ZZZ#2)
@xadam2dudex PART ZZZ#2: in that world that simply is and in a future that cannot be foretold, not one that is constrained by an intelligencia that hubristically invents a "better" world that "ought" or "should" be, that is based on their own judgments of what ought to be. In order to shape the world the way that they want it to be, the way that they imagine it should or ought to be, progressives by definition must constrain freedom: freedom to act ...(GO TO PART ZZZ#3)
@xadam2dudex PART ZZZ#3:individually; to fail, to succeed too much (judged, of course by them), to act in ways they believe to be foolish, "wasteful", "greedy" and so on.
Now that allgoo19 has helped me gather my thoughts, I have a nice package, along with all the other sources I have, to help minimize the rise of more dangerous progressives who, perhaps w/good intention, are contributing to the destruction of our country.
@abbadabbadolittle PART I: Stupid voters? Pot calling the kettle black I see. Read Parts AAA to ZZZ#3 posted in reply to @xadam2dudex & see who's stupid. Briefly, We allowed unions to use the power given to them by FDR under the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA) of 1936 to both raise wage rates and benefits and discourage labor saving technologies to eventually make our basic industries uncompetitive in world (SEE PART 2)
@WingThaiJ What are you an economics student?Lets see who is the cause and who profited from this down economy?Hmmmm, banks, developers, investment skeezers, AIG......no don't see any union ties in there.Stop quoting your text books ...no one cares but you.Funding to Universities through the Cato Ins.,Koch Brothers etc.(all elite scum groups and people)that are creating you brainwashed Nazi, corporate ass-lickers to promote their corporatist agenda through their teachings ala Friedman & Hayack.
@abbadabbadolittle PART A: We allowed unions to use the power given to them by FDR under the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA) of 1936 to both raise wage rates and benefits and discourage labor saving technologies to eventually make our basic industries uncompetitive in world markets (e.g. steel, autos, etc.), thus exporting them to China and elsewhere. The National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) was set up by FDR to "balance" the power given ..(GO TO PART B)
@abbadabbadolittle PART B:to the unions by the NLRA (FDR said that he knew the NLRA effectively allowed the unions the right to seize private property(factories) so he had to balance this power (interestingly, he also said that he could not grant this power to the public employee unions because they would have endless sources of money from taxpayers) He left the decision to allow public employee collective bargaining to the states. The first state (GO TO PART C)
@abbadabbadolittle PART C:to grant the right to collective bargaining was Bob Lafollet's (progressive that he was) Wisconsin. You see where that got us!Fast forward to today, Obama, the most blatantly political of Presidents (commie that he most assuredly is) appointed the union's lawyer to the NLRB (under recess appointment-the only way to get him on the board since congress would not approve him) and he was the deciding vote on the board's ..(GO TO PART D)
@abbadabbadolittle PART D: Boeing decision to object to Boeing's new plant being built in a "right to work" state (South Carolina, I think). Anyway, take the US auto industry, its peak in he 60's was succeeded by a steady decline where a combination of above market wages and benefits priced workers out of the market. More importantly, work rules and punitive payments to existing workers as new labor saving equipment destroyed both (GO TO PART E)
@abbadabbadolittle PART E:productivity and profitability (when GM went bankrupt they paid more per car for workers not working ($2,000) than for the steel (produced and shipped from mostly India- $1,800) used to produce the cars! Without productive, modern facilities and an efficient, smaller, high paid skilled workforce (like Germany has now-German govt was not bought and paid for by its unions as we are) we lost our base industries (and ,, GO TO PART F
@abbadabbadolittle PART F: thers that would have located here if we were more employer friendly-put in a better way "free").
In the name of giving the "working man" a better life, higher wages and more power, we have turned our backs on world market competition and the freedom to own private property and use it productively. We call it "fairness", "socially correct" or whatever phrase that sounds good, but it is giving the right for a relatively small ...(GO TO PART G)
@abbadabbadolittle part AA: Thanks for your amusing outbursts of nonsense! The point is that you exemplify the typical liberal who will do anything to justify people living at the expense of others hard work. You mentally block out FACTS that if you knew anything of said facts you would turn away from our country busting unions & realize that free enterprise is what America was about & why we have Independence day. Obama is preventing Boeing from providing jobs in S. Carolina, (go to PART BB)
@WingThaiJ Once again fucktard...both sides Dems and Rep's are the same. They work for your God, the elite and corporations....all policy made towards the enrichment of the corporations including bailouts.Can you not see that...Boo,Hoo Boeing ...how much money have they gotten from their lucrative Gov. contracts...Aren't they the ones building the fence between US and Mexico? They were paid millions and job still not done ..typical.You are totally clueless.Lick those boots.
@abbadabbadolittle Sorry,by elite u meanProgressives. Recall they're the one's who think they can manipulate the world in order to achieve what they think 'ought' to occur or 'should' occur,not knowing ramifications of what they do & I agree about both parties & pubs just haven't been conservative enough worrying about votes as well.Boeing should NOT have to answer to the Gov as to where they set up shop! This is pure dictatorship & unconstituionalThis is the America u want?This is NOT America
@abbadabbadolittle PART 1:What do u mean my God? I'm not into org religion; I'm into conservative responsible economics w/out Gov intrustion as THEY ALWAYS screw things up! I have no respect for big bus. that seek gov intervention in markets to gain advantage or to hurt their competitors by calling them "dominant" or monopolists.Nor do I respect big bus.(GE or ArcherDaniels. Midlands-ethanol) that give $ to influence pols to ..(GO TO PART 2)
@abbadabbadolittle PART 2:.....increase their own income (just like unions). The only point is that if gov't didn't grant themselves the power to force others to pay employees more (unions) or take taxpayer money to favor others (GE and ADM), the unions and big business would have no reason to influence gov't in the first place!
@abbadabbadolittleObama is advocatg for Brazil to Drill&we'll buy oil, yet he doesn't want our people to do same.He wants to spend more $even though last stimulus has recently been PROVEN to have cost 1Mill jobs. People like u r Cultists incapable of thought beyond what u want to believe. It's attitudes like urs that brought us to where we R. Unfortunately ignorantly cultists to lib cause R our demise&it won't sink in until we have no country but then u will all try to blame Bush for that too
@abbadabbadolittle Part 2:,,markets(e.g. steel, autos, etc.), thus exporting them to China & elsewhere. The National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) was set up by FDR to "balance" power given to the unions by NLRA (FDR said that he knew NLRA allowed unions the right to seize private property(factories) so he had to bal this power (interestingly, he also said that he could not grant this power to the public employee unions because they would have endless sources of $ from taxpayers) See PART 3
@abbadabbadolittle PART 3: FDR was against public union collective bargaining for obvious reasons. Collective bargaining gives a public-sector union a monopoly over the government’s workforce. By law the government can employ workers only on the terms negotiated by the union; it cannot hire non-union workers to do the job. That means the government must reach an agreement with the union to get anything done. (See Part 4)
@WingThaiJ ..Blah,Blah, Blah.....so you would like to be paid maybe 2.00 an hour?You should vote for Bauchman she is against the minimum wage law. You can look at everything both ways no minimum wage..wow companies will hire more people...but at slave wages...once again good for corporations bad for workers.All of your info is so right wing..Maybe if your owners and you get your way we will be another China.The economy will never be cured unless people are working...working people spend.
@abbadabbadolittle Anyone would be better than Obama who is spending us over a cliff; dumb asses still vote for him.. I bet you still think this was all Bush's fault.. ROFL.. Look what Gov did getting involved w/the private sector with mortgages, etc..
@abbadabbadolittle Part 4:voters’ elected representatives do not have the final say.This gives unions enormous power over government budgets, which they use to get more of the budget spent on them: Collective bargaining is the reason taxpayers in Wisconsin cover almost all the cost of government pensions and 94 percent of government workers’ health-care premiums.● Collective bargaining is the reason most (See Part 5)
@abbadabbadolittle Part 5: Wisconsin school districts buy health coverage from a company created by the Wisconsin Education Association—even though their premiums cost far more than competing carriers. Collec bargaining is reason MilwaukeePublic Schools spent 100's of 1000's of $ on Viagra instead of on educating students.If unions have power to force gov to hire on their terms,they have the power to press for more tax $. Unions might make concessions now,but tomorrow is another day. See Part 6
@abbadabbadolittle Part 6:And if they keep their monopoly, unions may not make even concessions today. Wisconsin union leaders publicly insist they accept Governor Walker’s proposed increases in employee contributions, but it looks like their municipal locals didn’t get the memo — they are locking in contracts that make none of those changes. If collective-bargaining reform gets taken off the table, unions will go right back ..(See Part 7)
@abbadabbadolittle Part 7:to demanding that taxpayers cough up more. Letting government unions keep their monopoly ties the hands of voters’ elected representatives and forces them to spend enough to keep the unions satisfied. Collective bargaining is all about taxpayers’ money. That is what government unions bargain for.— James Sherk is a senior policy analyst in labor economics in the Center for Data Analysis at the Heritage Foundation.
@WingThaiJ Part 1...I do not accept any info from Cato Ins.,Heritage Foundation...etc...all Friedmanite shit tanks to change policy and thinking for the ignorant sheeple who are too stupid to use common sense or read. The unions have lost their lobbying power because of corporate funding.Viagra really isn't that what Rush Gasbag had on him at the airport?Charter schools..everyone pays,still funded with more tax dollars!Corporations paying 0 in taxes,Fed X,Chevron,GE,Exxon,Bank of America etc.
@abbadabbadolittle In other words, u don't accept reality because reality gets in the way, huh?The point is that progressives have no common sense; hx has proven this.FDR's policies have screwed us all & yes stupid people think otherwise. I'm still waiting for direct rebuttals to my specific info.. however, there's obviously no rebut as reality speaks for itself.Collective bargaing is BS; ya want to elect your own politicians to turn around at tax payers expense & get whatever ya want.
@abbadabbadolittle You don't need to accept anything other than reality, but I see you can't accept that. The ignorant sheep are the one's who follow blindly when they have no clue how real business works in the real environment ; The Gov needs to get out of the way and let Private Sector do it's magic & get rid of policies which force people to fork over their money to unions just so they can work. Stupid morons
@abbadabbadolittle Part 8:F.D.R. believed that “[a] strike of public employees manifests nothing less than an intent on their part to obstruct the operations of government until their demands are satisfied. Such action looking toward the paralysis of government by those who have sworn to support it is unthinkable and intolerable.” Roosevelt was hardly alone in holding these views, even among the champions of organized labor. See Part 9
@abbadabbadolittle Part 10: Indeed, the first president of the AFL-CIO, George Meany, believed it was “impossible to bargain collectively with the government.” In WI collective bargaining has earned well over $700K in Viagra & workers calling in sick, then coming in that day anyway to work in some other capacity, then collecting over-time pay.
@WingThaiJLast point ...are you on the wrong site? Did you navigate away from the right-wing-nut sites by accident? You will not change anyones thinking on this site, so why bother. We know what we are living, and what is best for us. By the way check out Newsweek and all publications on Best CountriesTo Live, guess which ones are at the top of the lists.....Scandanavian (socialist) countries.Ah,Oh.....have a nice life and good luck getting back on track.
@abbadabbadolittle This is what you use to judge best places to live? What best places to live off the sweat of others? America is turning into a shit hole because it's being populated with lazy asses who want to live off of others. Interesting how there is no interest in discussing specifics
@abbadabbadolittle PART G: number of people (union members) to steal private property and put their self-interest before that of the world consumer. It is communism that is called market-socialism or a mixed economy. As we now witness, there is no such thing. It is made up nonsense by people who do not accept that the world is as it is and we cannot pretend that we can control or outsmart it for some hubristically fantasized "common good".(GO TO PART H)
@abbadabbadolittle PART H: Take away a progressives' words like "ought" and "should" and he has no ideas that work in the real world. His ideas deny that we are creatures that evolved from a Darwinian world that just is and whenever we seek to outsmart it, we create "unintended consequences" that result in inefficiencies that now "hollow out" our wage earning population to produce the phenomenon we are now witness to: highly (GO TO PART I)
@abbadabbadolittle PART I:productive, well educated, highly paid people at the top with the skills and wealth to live and do well in the global economic real world, and those that were hoodwinked into thinking that their pretend world unions could allow them to escape that real world. A reality that turns out to be exactly the opposite of what the progressives intended when they interfered in the real world market process with their short term pretend ..(GO TO PART J)
@abbadabbadolittle PART J: ideas" that effectively ruined history's most productive economy. The progressives lead the lambs to the slaughter with their hubristic, idealistic, denial of the efficiency of free men that must operate freely in free markets without the interference of idealists with utopian ideas that think they're smarter than a Darwinistic real world. I omitted the connection between unionism in our base industries (particularly steel (GO TO PART K)
@abbadabbadolittle:Part A: Hong Kong, Singapore, Ireland, and Australia were all rated as "more free," according to the Heritage Index of Economic Freedom. It would probably be better to compare these Scandinavian nations to Hong Kong or Ireland than to the United states. Furthermore, Scandinavian nations are not nearly as socialist as leftists claim they are. Although the United States ranks higher than (GO TO PART B)
@abbadabbadolittle PART B:hese nations on the Index of Economic Freedom, Scandinavian nations are more free in several decisive areas. Denmark has greater business freedom, monetary freedom, investment freedom, financial freedom, freedom from corruption, and labor freedom while having comparable property rights and trade freedom scores to the U.S. Sweden has greater business freedom ..GO TO PART C
@abbadabbado PART B: ...these nations on the Index of Economic Freedom, Scandinavian nations are more free in several decisive areas. Denmark has greater business freedom, monetary freedom, investment freedom, financial freedom, freedom from corruption, and labor freedom while having comparable property rights and trade freedom scores to the U.S. Sweden has greater business freedom ..GO TO PART C
@abbadabbadolittle PART C:and freedom from corruption, while having comparable trade freedom, monetary freedom, property rights enforcement, investment freedom, and financial freedom to the United States. Finland has greater business freedom, monetary freedom, and freedom from corruption than the United States, while having comparable property right enforcement, financial freedom, and trade freedom. (GO TO PART D)
@abbadabbadolittle PART D:Norway, the least successful Scandinavian nation, has greater freedom from corruption than the United States while having comparable business freedom, trade freedom, and property right enforcement. Iceland has greater business freedom, fiscal freedom, and freedom from corruption, while having comparable trade freedom and property right enforcement. In many ways, Scandinavian countries are more "laissez faire" than the United States.GO TO PART E:
@abbadabbadolittle PART E: To finish of this deal, here are some articles, excerpts, etc. about the failure of specific welfarist policies the Scandinavian countries follow, change occurring in these nations, and the like:The Sweden Myth (LvMI); How the Welfare State Corrupted Sweden (LvMI); Sweden: Poorer Than You Think (LvMI); Can the United States Learn from the Nordic Model? (Cato) Sweden: From Capitalist GO TO PART F
@abbadabbadolittle PART F: Success to Welfare-State Sclerosis (Cato); Should Scandinavia Be Our Model? Podcast (Cato); Should the United States Be More Like Scandinavia? Policy Forum (Cato); Johnny Munkhammar in Defense of Free Market Capitalism in Sweden Weeky Video (Cato); Sweden Repeals Wealth Tax (Cato); Sweden is a Tax Haven? (Cato); The Welfare State Causes Sickness (Cato); GO TO PART G
@abbadabbadolittle PART G:If the Swedish State is Socialist, What is Ours? (Cato); New Challenge to the Nordic Welfare Model (Cato); Introduction to Economics Review (Mackinac); Free Enterprise in Action Review (Mackinac); Institutions and Analysis (Mackinac); Where Are the Omelettes? (Mackinac); Scandinavian Irony (FEE); Are High Taxes the Basis of Economic Growth? (FEE); Sweden: Tightening the Screws (FEE); Swedish Welfare (The New American); Sweden after the Swedish model.; EU vs USA.
@WingThaiJ WHO GIVES A FUCK...You can yak all day long..as I said before you and Trolls like you will not change my thinking.Do you have any actual thoughts not read from stats(biased)Cato Institute Friedman shit tank and no thanks I do not believe anything they say.PS Stop clogging my e-mail with your anal retentive right-wing-nut factless bullshit.
@abbadabbadolittle On a continual basis we learn more Obama waste: The government spent over $30,000 in taxpayer dollars (cost of grants and loan subsidies) per unserved house connecting them to the Internet! If you take 3G broadband into account (which granted isn't as fast or as dependable as fixed broadband) the cost per unserved house climbs to almost $350,000! Wow, The Gov really knows what it's doing, huh?
@abbadabbadolittle Then Y don't you run around the neighborhood, pick pocket the neighbors and start throwing $ all over the place; as that is what the Obama Admin is doing as they are clueless as to what it takes to create jobs. The Gov isn't suppose to be creating jobs, they are suppose to provide an environment for jobs to be created. Big Bus. would not be try'g to influence the Gov if the Gov was not involved w/Business; that's the bottom line. U can't make people...
@WingThaiJ The rich need to pay their fair share. Most multinational corps. do not pay any tax. Since the 2% decrease in wealthy persons tax we lost 4 million jobs ...but the decrease sure helped create jobs in China and India.Unless you are wealthy stop defending the tax dodgers ...if you are not ...the wealthy love people like you who vote against your own best interests and side with them.
@abbadabbadolittle - This is why tax loop holes need to be plugged; Since the stimulus package, study's now show this package cost 1000,000 private sector jobs. The problem is & always has been Gov intrusion, hence, the subprime debacle with C. Dodd & B. Franks, etc. I'm not defending tax dogers; you cannot benefit from increased revs & spending is well beyond what is taken in anyway. What good is more wasted $? I'm not wealthy & it is in my interest to allow the Free Mrkt to flourish
@WingThaiJ Problem #1 what free markets?Corporations with the help of our twisted Gov. are running the show.What is the difference between Bush and OBama? To me it is just one continuation.During Bush's monarchy the economy was a house of cards ...not even real waiting to implode.All policies and practices put into effect through Reagan, Clinton, Bush and now OBama led us to where we are now.
@abbadabbadolittle PART 1: Now you hit on something I agree w. That's the point I'm makg, the Gov should not be involved. I agree w/you about Bush also! The ONLY reason bus. lobbys for favors, "tax breaks" gov't subsidies etc. is because it's worth it. No gov't interference in mrkts (farm subsidies-paying not to grow some crops, subsidizing others, trying to "maintaining prices" or some such scheme to (CONT to PART 2)
@abbadabbadolittle PART 2:..outsmart the market for some hair brained "fairness" or "national farm/food supply policy"), no "tax policy" to "encourage" production of oil (sometimes "domestic energy policy", sometimes "tax breaks for the greedy, rich oil producers"-"windfall profits tax"), corn (ridiculous ethanol "save the planet/global warming" hoax). Each message carefully crafted to by political pollsters and (CONT TO PART 3)
@abbadabbadolittle PART 3:"wordsmiths" to appeal to naïve, clueless, idealistic voters to "do something" about some real or imagined, or trumped up crisis ("let's not waste a good crisis"-Rahm Imanuel) or emergency. Give me (gov't) the power to interfere in free markets or the money, money taken by gov't by force from someone that actually earned it by creating value from producing something that someone else (CONT TO PART 4)
@abbadabbadolittle PART 4:VOLUNTARILY paid more for than it cost-free, uncoerced trade) and I (gov't) will solve whatever well crafted-fill in the blank-problem that is the politically correct, flavor of the day "issue". What we lose in all this is our freedoms, freedom in the form of less of our on money to solve our own problems (or others' problems by giving time or money to the charities WE choose or the problems (CONT TO PART 5)
@abbadabbadolittle PART 6:rights, workers' rights, right to a "living wage" or other "imagined right" to treat the world's "unfairness") or purposely sinister purpose-stay in office, corruption-"reward friends and punish enemies", get a job after serving in office (lobbying for the industry you just regulated in the name of "protecting the people"---what hogwash! At the end of the gov't gets increasingly powerful with increasing (CONT TO PART 7)
@abbadabbadolittle PART 7:resources to regulate all aspects of our lives and increasing our need to pay attention to THEM, the resource consuming public sector, instead of productive things that create real value for us and others (the private sector). Businesses get in the game to receive favors because the gov't we gave the power to in the name of some "good cause, sense of fairness, market imbalance, financial crisis, or other (CONT TO PART 8)
@abbadabbadolittle PART 8: "compelling, finely crafted politically correctly messaged "issue", gained the power it wanted to MAKE business have to come to it for the favors only they (gov't) can grant! This process of ever-declining freedom of the individual and ever-increasing power of gov't is exactly what the constitution was supposed to protect us from. The only rights are individual rights. No group has rights, they cannot (CONT TO PART 9)
@abbadabbadolittle PART 10:because the "majority" can't vote to take away some right an individual has. We don't have a democracy for that very purpose (tyranny of the majority). What if 51% votes to take all the money from the 49%? That's what the progressive movement has brought us to today. "The Road to Serfdom" written by a FEE economist Fredrick Hyek in the 30's was prescient and why FEE is not biased or prejudiced & a great site that you should consider reading. It's real!
@WingThaiJ Read Shock Doctrine, I do not care for Hyack or the policies ala M. Friedman.Honestly why do you defend the elite? I have yet to see them give up anything, contrary to what the mass media keeps trying to hype. Bailouts,subsidies, lucrative no-bid cost++ gov.contracts,0 paid to the IRS these are all to fund the rich. If you have a small business these policies hurt you too.The facism we are experiencing today is due to phoney free market policies.
@abbadabbadolittle Defending elite? If u read my post it had to do w/NO GOV involvement w/Business. They should not allow corporations to obtain ANYTHING from GOV. There should be no way they can have anythg to do w/Gov.The same w/Gov involvement in ANY bus.. What's biggest tax loophole around? Almost 50% of Americans pay no taxes.Even though Obama says otherwise;wealthy R payg far more than 'fair share' of taxes. The top 1% paid more than ENTIRE BOTTOM 95%. But that's only the beginning.
@abbadabbadolittle PART 1: U do not seem to get the point. If we give more power to government we get less freedom. I am anti big business, not pro!I am anti the big gov/big business cabal. 2% of the taxpayers pay about half of the taxes collected. Stop redistributing income via big govt to the unproductive & to union bosses & to favored businesses. I don't care if you don't like Heyek & others. The others don't have ...(Go To Part 2)
@abbadabbadolittle Part 2:...policies,they observe truths. If you doesnt get the truth that big govt is the enabler of corruption-unions, big business, stupid, redistributive programs-and the cause of market pricing disorders-and the initiator of the loss of freedoms-then there is no reason to debate. Your attitude SEEMS to be socialist/communist & you SEEM to believe govt is a solution. I KNOW it is the problem.
@abbadabbadolittle I run a business, I need to meet payroll, unlike the Gov, I have to spend w/in my means; we had an administration who's programs make the future very uncertain and w/out confidence; I'd like to open a new facility and hire more people... Common sense tells me and of course my accountant, that we will be better off trying to expand when Obama is out of office...
@abbadabbadolittle You can't make people who can't afford to buy home to own a home as the Carter & Clinton and later Bush policies advocated & incentivized. However, people who could not afford a home bought one as that was the market provided to Bus. care of Gov.... Get Gov Out Of Bus & You WIll Get Bus. Out Of Gov.....
@WingThaiJ Taking Gov. totally out of the game with no regulation on business ..basically what brought the economy to its knees...does not work either,obviously.If Gov. did what it was supposed to...serve and protect the people,we would not be having this conversation.Gov.'s revolving door policy twith big business is to blame. They have lost interest in strengthing the countryand its people.Rules and law maintain a civilized society.Big business can't be trusted when profit is the only goal.
Russ feingold is the most principled politician in the US. To see him loose a reelection bid is very depressing for the political future of our country
This rally will be focused on reforming the way our entire Government conducts its business. We will DEMAND immediate campaign finance reforms, even if it requires a Constitutional amendment, in addition to other needed reforms to declare a NEW independence, and to rid our democratic process of the chokehold that multinational corporations currently enjoy in all levels and branches of government. Rise up for honest government, America! We ARE the people we've been waiting for!
go to facebook.com and search "IndependenceMarchOnWashington". We are taking this fight to Washington and demanding an end to corporate influence over our elections.
go to facebook.com and search "IndependenceMarchOnWashington". We are taking this fight to Washington and demanding an end to corporate influence over our elections.
This rally will be focused on reforming the way our entire Government conducts its business. We will DEMAND immediate campaign finance reforms, even if it requires a Constitutional amendment, in addition to other needed reforms to declare a NEW independence, and to rid our democratic process of the chokehold that multinational corporations currently enjoy in all levels and branches of government. Rise up for honest government, America! We ARE the people we've been waiting for!
Hello, I was wondering if we could promote a one-day World Strike sometime this spring. In the US, the UK, in Spain, in Greece, in Ireland, in Egypt, in Tunisia, everyone, everywhere. A day in which every citizen, no matter what their job is (except maybe for doctors) would stop and withdraw enough money from the banks to bring these economic powers to their knees. There are more of us! Would you know how to organise such an event?
Corporate "Personhood" is a perversion of Our System and the inarguable intent of Our Founders, the Bill of Rights was created to protect the Individual from the "Eternal Abuses" of government all government...!
How is a Corporation an Individual...?
Ask that of the Federalist Society Tory swine that are the Majority of what was Our Supreme Court and is now in fact the Federalist Society Court..?
Russ Feindgold: arrogant prick. This guy helped WI to become a 'doner state'. Under him and then Gov'r Jim Doyle- their anti-business policies pushed more manufacturing jobs out of state or out of business. Their are more State jobs than Manufacturing jobs in WI as of 2010- the first time in the state's 162 year history. Russ Feindgold- GO AWAY!!!
Fellow Progressives - Greens take no money from corporations. Until you are willing to tell republidems no, nothing will change. Its very simple. Vote your beliefs. Simply putting in more republidems that you all willingly admit work for corporations first and the people like 3rd or 4th makes zero sense.
Hey Russ - Why don't you study the Constitution, article 4 section 4 states we have a republic NOT a democracy.
The people held YOU accountable for Obamacare, amnesty for illegals, voting yes on funding cities that ignore our immigration laws, and etc.
You talk about our jobs going overseas, you help give away the ones we have left. I applied for a job right here in your old district, and was turned down because I didn't speak Spanish.
@character654 Instead of mindlessly regurgitating Tea Party talking points, think for yourself. During reconstruction, rich former slave owners created the KKK to keep poor, armed whites from coming after them. The Tea Party was created for the very same reason.
Instead of focusing your vitriol on meaningless bullshit, vote for people who stand up for REAL middle class values, instead of just paying them lip service while lowering tax rates for the top 5%.
@koschei42 Talk about mindless meaningless BS. So who am I supposed to vote for? Some big government tax and spender like Feingold or some big government borrowing and spending neocon?
Russ, We don't have a democracy. That's a Zionist myth. Each of today's so-called democracies is really a demockery ~ an aristocracy masquerading as a democracy to placate the People about their enslavement. And, our government didn't "coddle" the banks. They rewarded the instigators of their planned global economic collapse with a trillion dollar bonus. Call a spade a spade. The Zionists are not Jews. And, they're ruining the Earth.
Way to go Russ. I thank you for your support of Middle Class workers and those less forturnate. Don't be afraid of the radical Right who are beholden to the Corporations and the top 2%. When we recall Scott Walker I hope you run for the job. Thanks Russ for being a great Progressive. The college dropout Scott Walker obviously has an adgenda of breaking the Unions. Bargain with them Mr. Walker. All the money that would be saved amounts to only about 5% of the total bogus deficit.
Notice that the socialist Russ Feingold is a "former" senator. He will never see public office again. Progressives United won't be very effective and will only help in repeating the Nov. 2010 election results. They just plain don't have the numbers. Comrade Obama is a God send for conservatives.
Liberalism and progressives promote evils such as abortion, sodomite marriage, legalization of marijuana etc., while conservatives and christians try to protect from such evils.
progressives = nazi's
fireamracing 4 months ago
Have Progressives actually made any progress on antyhing? Please post those achievements here. Bonny Frank is NOT friend of mine. And, the Durbin debit now costs many of us $60 per year.
forwardmover 4 months ago
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Fuck u u progressive fag piece of fag bullshit liberal ass. 1 less progressive liberal leftist fag fool=s several freed tax payers!
ISUCN 5 months ago
Republicans hate
americanfellow 6 months ago
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There is nothing quite like looking at a youtube comment section to truly understand what has happened to public debate in this country. The echo chamber is alive and well.
JGarab 6 months ago
Russ the lying JEW.
ISUCN 7 months ago
Do all progressives take it up their fag asses? I heard such. but why ?Do they all lie about everything?
ISUCN 7 months ago
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barrybrookens 5 months ago
Look at Obama preventing Jobs in S. Carolina; Gov AGAIN telling Private Business where it can or cannot open up shop. This is America? Obama is a Dictator! How DARE HE tell Boeing they cannot open up in S. Carolina for whatever reason! Obama killing 1000's of jobs. Brazil gets Obama's blessing to drill & we'll be their best customer, meanwhile, no such think in the U.S.., when R U Libs going to wake up! GET GOV OUT OF THE WAY & AMERICA WILL GET BACK ON TRACK AGAIN!
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
Hey Feingold, Y don't you learn how to run a bus., balance a budget & meet payroll before u open your inept bus. inexperienced mouth? Gov involvement is and has always been the countries worst enemy. Any time Gov gets involved in the private sector, IT BLOWS UP; hence why Carter admin & Clinton Admin politics of getting EVERYONE a mortgage whether they could afford it or not because the tax payers would back it FAILED US! U R all there to find a problem to correct to get votes; u r our ruination
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
It's simple Feingold, yes, get rid of coporate welfare, backdoor deals the Obama Admin loves so much, Gov subsidies, etc.. close loop holes for Obama's buddies with GE, but also get rid of Gov involvement in busines period; let the free market do it's magic, the only time screw ups occur is when Gov gets in the way... Competition allows the good to survive, the bad to disappear. Get back to the constitution, get ride of the progressives. How much more waste do u people have to see?
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
The government spent over $30,000 in taxpayer dollars (cost of grants and loan subsidies) per unserved house connecting them to the Internet! If you take 3G broadband into account (which granted isn't as fast or as dependable as fixed broadband) the cost per unserved house climbs to almost $350,000! The Gov still sending checks out to prisoners, dead people & illegal aliens, The Gov spends $105Bill in duplicative spending; Russia & China increase their space program because US backs out
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
Progressive Policy: Throw other people's $ at it and hope a couple stick.. Morons
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@WingThaiJ First of all numbnuts there is no true free-markets. If there were mom and pop businesses would still florish..instead of multi-national corporations. It is very hard for small business to survive today.They actually try to play by the rules even pay taxes unlike the corporations.Yea you stupid sheeple amaze me...less regulation right...that is what got us where we are now.
abbadabbadolittle 7 months ago
@abbadabbadolittle BTW, Sorry for saying F You; I don't like taking it to that level... w/the deficit the way it is; I just don't understand why so many people are still willing to hand Obama a blank check. Taking in more revenue does NOTHING when the $ is being spent on all kinds of crap & being wasted. The Dems only claim the Stimulus was useful for political reasons, they know DAMN WELL it failed!
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@abbadabbadolittle Here is the bottom line. Producers, those who create jobs, while they have capital know that the Obama administration environment & policies are NOT conducive toward job creation. Listen to Steve Wynn yourself & consider all the job creators there are out there who know what Steve knows: Search this on YouTube: Steve Wynn Goes On Epic Anti-Obama Rant On Company Conference Call
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@WingThaiJ First bailout GWBush...plus money has been flowing through subsidies and lucrative gov. contracts forever...you act like OBama was the first...wake up.
abbadabbadolittle 7 months ago
@abbadabbadolittle Hey Great,we actually agree w/something. It's just that Obama had to out do him & on top of it still wants to piss more $ awayHow come this lawyer only pays attention to pencil pusher economics teachers instead of people who really function in real world like Jim Rogers. He doesn't listen to his Military experts he's had more training then they had in his studies to become a lawyer I suppose.Carter was 1st, B.Franks & C.Dod really screwed us & Clinton policies for Mortgages
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@abbadabbadolittle Your right, they all screw up; lesson learned is to make Gov SMALLER; there would be no reason for Corps to get involved w/bus in 1st place if Gov didn't get involved w/business. See what the mixture of both does? Now what party is talking deficit cutting, cutting spending? You can't spend tax payer $ to try to employee people in an environment that has no natural environment for growg bus.. supply/demand has to be there; pissg $ into programs does nothing but waste more $
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
Why did they vote him out? Along with Grayson that meant the only Democrat with backbone left was Weiner and he's probably going to be pressured to resign. We truly do need to unite to take on the manipulative intimidation that the American right wing puts out.
Cazz814 8 months ago
nafta is not corrupt...
gingerkid963 9 months ago
@gingerkid963 u don't know anything about it then..it was a job destroying give away to corporations
xadam2dudex 8 months ago
@xadam2dudex no.
gingerkid963 8 months ago
@gingerkid963 yes....u watch too much FOX fake terrorist news propaganda..NAFTA has done nothing but pay US companies to close US plants and open plants in Mexico..so they can use slave labor pollute at will and then import the goods to sell in the US....GM after being bailed out by US tax payers invested over $500 million in a new plant in Mexico over $200 million in Canada and only around $100 million in updates to a US plant..NAFTA was great for the US economy right ??
xadam2dudex 8 months ago
@xadam2dudex i courteously disagree wholeheartedly.
gingerkid963 8 months ago
@gingerkid963 uh huh..
xadam2dudex 8 months ago
@xadam2dudex PART EEE:Boeing decision to object to Boeing's new plant being built in a "right to work" state (South Carolina, I think). Anyway, take the US auto industry, its peak in he 60's was succeeded by a steady decline where a combination of above market wages and benefits priced workers out of the market. More importantly, work rules and punitive payments to existing workers as new labor saving equipment destroyed both ...(GO TO PART FFF)
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
The good Dr Ron Paul has been fighting this exact fight since he founded Campaign for Liberty in 2008 but alas thing are getting worst no matter what.
Corporate bought politicians will never stop ruining the world until some of them are found hanging from trees as exemples. Vigilante anyone?
rivieracar1992 10 months ago
@rivieracar1992 Ron Paul is also against public unions and collective bargaining; which he is correct on
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
So the idiots voted Feingold out and Walker in..another tale of stupid voters voting against their own best interests because of media influence.....completion of the dumbing of Americans.
abbadabbadolittle 10 months ago 2
@abbadabbadolittle it is hard to believe that there are that many stupid people.. the republicans have hired programmers to have the voting machines rigged to fix the elections .. I think the last election was one of those elections that was set up thru the media to convince people the dems were going to lose so that the election results wouldn't be questioned...watch?v=JEzY2tnwExs
xadam2dudex 8 months ago
@xadam2dudex U will be the one feeling stupid after U read this. You'll never believe you fell for this Progressive CRAP, but not too many progressives actually no how bus. works in the real world. Read & Learn!
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@xadam2dudexPART AAA:I've spoke to so many people on here I was just tired of the back & forth;however, Allgoo19 kept reverting back to1thing that my sources would have answered for him, but he insisted I converse w/him.So thanks to him,I've come up w/an explanation for people to WAKE UP&get out of progressive movement or if ur already smart enough to have not gotten involved in the 1st place,U can use this info. to your benefit in many ways.Here it is:GO TO PART BBB(TOMAKE IT EASIER TO TRACK)
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
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@xadam2dudex PART BBB:We allowed unions to use the power given to them by FDR under the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA) of 1936 to both raise wage rates and benefits and discourage labor saving technologies to eventually make our basic industries uncompetitive in world markets (e.g. steel, autos, etc.), thus exporting them to China and elsewhere. The National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) was set up by FDR to "balance" the power given ..(GO TO PART CCC)
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@xadam2dudex PART CCC:to the unions by the NLRA (FDR said that he knew the NLRA effectively allowed the unions the right to seize private property(factories) so he had to balance this power (interestingly, he also said that he could not grant this power to the public employee unions because they would have endless sources of money from taxpayers) He left the decision to allow public employee collective bargaining to the states. The first state ..(GO TO PART DDD)
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@xadam2dudex PART DDD:to grant the right to collective bargaining was Bob Lafollet's (progressive that he was) Wisconsin. You see where that got us!Fast forward to today, Obama, the most blatantly political of Presidents (commie that he most assuredly is) appointed the union's lawyer to the NLRB (under recess appointment-the only way to get him on the board since congress would not approve him) and he was the deciding vote on the board's ..(GO TO PART EEE)
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@xadam2dudex PART FFF:productivity and profitability (when GM went bankrupt they paid more per car for workers not working ($2,000) than for the steel (produced and shipped from mostly India- $1,800) used to produce the cars! Without productive, modern facilities and an efficient, smaller, high paid skilled workforce (like Germany has now-German govt was not bought and paid for by its unions as we are) we lost our base industries (and ...(GO TO PART GGG)
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@xadam2dudex PART GGG:others that would have located here if we were more employer friendly-put in a better way "free"). In the name of giving the "working man" a better life, higher wages and more power, we have turned our backs on world market competition and the freedom to own private property and use it productively. We call it "fairness", "socially correct" or whatever phrase that sounds good, but it is giving the right for a relatively small ...(GO TO PART HHH)
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@xadam2dudex PART HHH:number of people (union members) to steal private property and put their self-interest before that of the world consumer. It is communism that is called market-socialism or a mixed economy. As we now witness, there is no such thing. It is made up nonsense by people who do not accept that the world is as it is and we cannot pretend that we can control or outsmart it for some hubristically fantasized "common good". (GO TO PART III)
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@xadam2dudex PART III:Take away a progressives' words like "ought" and "should" and he has no ideas that work in the real world. His ideas deny that we are creatures that evolved from a Darwinian world that just is and whenever we seek to outsmart it, we create "unintended consequences" that result in inefficiencies that now "hollow out" our wage earning population to produce the phenomenon we are now witness to: highly ..(GO TO PART JJJ)
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@xadam2dudex PART JJJ:productive, well educated, highly paid people at the top with the skills and wealth to live and do well in the global economic real world, and those that were hoodwinked into thinking that their pretend world unions could allow them to escape that real world. A reality that turns out to be exactly the opposite of what the progressives intended when they interfered in the real world market process with their short term pretend ...(GO TO PART KK( )
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@xadam2dudex PART KK():"ideas" that effectively ruined history's most productive economy. The progressives lead the lambs to the slaughter with their hubristic, idealistic, denial of the efficiency of free men that must operate freely in free markets without the interference of idealists with utopian ideas that think they're smarter than a Darwinistic real world. I omitted the connection between unionism in our base industries (particularly steel (GO TO PART LL)
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@xadam2dudex PART LLL:&autos)&effects of wrk rules&gov regs on productivity & innovation.After the unions forced wage rates to unsustainable levels w/a combination of work stoppage disruptions(augmented by FDR's NLRA), punative payments to wrkrs displaced by innovations /automations of the work process & union political activism (u, Mr. Politician, agree to help me, Mr. Union Leader, get better pay, benefits & more restrictive, union member "work rights" & I, Mr. Union Leader, (GO TO PART MMM)
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
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@xadam2dudex PART MMM:agree to "kick back" some of that additional money you make manufacturers pay to my member workers to keep you, Mr. Politician, in office and we'll pass it on to everyone who wants to buy a car). The unintended consequences of the Bernie Maidoffesque corrupt process included; 1) an unsustainable wage rate that made the cost of the cars higher in world markets with loss of American cars' market share (less ...(GO TO PART NNN)
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
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@xadam2dudex PART NNN: critical mass of demand, less economies of scale, higher unit prices-a cost, loss of share, more cost death spiral). 2) manufacturers' need to automate out those more expensive workers to compete (the Germans became very good at this. They didn't have as punative a payment for laid off workers as our auto companies had). As a result the Germans now make more cars with less workers and have jobs for displaced (GO TO PART OOO)
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@xadam2dudex PART OOO:skilled workers in plants making automated, labor saving machinery. Jobs we do not have due to our plethora of manufacturer unfriendly work rules and regulations. The real problem (another of a myriad of unintended consequences of progressive thinking) was that those talented German engineers and industrial designers built, for the first time in history, machines that not only built more for less, but had brains! They fixed ..(GO TO PART PPP)
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
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@xadam2dudex PART PPP:problems themselves or notified the worker on the line about problems in real time-building in QUALITY as well as labor saving quantity! That act empowered a half a billion less skilled workers in an emerging China to leap forward from an economy frozen in the 19th century when Deng Chou Ping "opened up" China's economy in 1978 to the 21st century in less than a generation. Our vaunted progressive ideas ...(GO TO PART QQQ)
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@xadam2dudex PART QQQ:F'ed us big time! My brother-in-law saw it himself. He went to China in 1979 (went to HK and crossed into the first "opened up" Special Economic Zone (SEZ) a 350,000 population fishing village called Shenzhen. Now a city he just visited in May with a population exceeding 12 million!) We lost our industries, our jobs, our incentives to innovate, our workers' drive, our workers' need to perform and produce to keep ...(GO TO PART RRR)
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@xadam2dudex PART RRR:their job; all in the name "fairness", "workers' rights", making fair wages, protecting the workers (OSHA regulations), the environment, womens' rights to equal pay, and on and on-focusing on politically correct, utopian pretend fantasies that ignored the truth; the world's consumers want the best product at the best price-they are little effected by how it's made or who makes it. It may be a "shame", it "ought" to be ..(GO TO PART SSS)
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
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@xadam2dudex PART SSS:different it "should" be different but it isn't! Progressives ideas do not work in the real world and cannot succeed without the use of those words-ought and should. In ALLOO19's question he suggested that the New Deal ended in the 60's and that somehow its ending lead to a subsequent decline. Not true.
It never went away. Some programs were declared unconstitutional (FDR tried to power through the court by..(GO TO PART TTT)
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
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@xadam2dudex PART TTT:packing" it by increasing the number of justices so he could appoint activist judges that agreed with his programs), others were modified, expanded or broadened by LBJ in his "Great Society" programs of the b60's. The major programs and structures are still here largely under their original names. These New Deal programs were largely based on old, progressive ideas suggested during the late 1800s and early 1900s at ..(GO TO PART UUU)
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@xadam2dudex PART UUU:the end of greatst economic boom in world histry American"Golden Age"circa1850-1910The time of "Robber Barons"-Carnege,Vanderbilt, Morgan,Scrantons,etc.These entrepreneurs were labeled RobberBarons by "muckrackers",crusading progressive journalists like Ida Tarbell&Upton Sinclair who labeled them as largely selfish&corrupt.The early progressive agenda could not pass congress until crisis of Great Dep(sound familiar?"Never let a good crisis go to waste"-Rahm(GO TO PART VVV)
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@xadam2dudex PART VVV:Emmanuel, 2008-9). New Deal programs are still here today. They include; labor support programs (NLRA, Wagner Act & Fair Labor Standards Act-setting maximum work hours and minimum wage), housing (FHA), farm subsidies, Social Security, FDIC, the SECThe Progressive movement advocated "improving what exists" by using one's intellect and making use of scientific methods for areas that were not ..(GO TO PART W W W)
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@xadam2dudex PART W W W:thought to be effected by sciences (social "sciences"). This group of progressives included "eugenicists" who believed fervently in the new science of genetics and the discoveries of Darwin (John Maynard Keynes was a eugenicist). They believed that the human gene pool could be "improved" by discouraging the proliferation of "inferior" people and races. Minimum wages were originally conceived by ..(GO TO PART XXX)
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@xadam2dudex PART XXX:these superior thinkers (progressive eugenicists) as raising the price of labor to discourage the hiring of "inferiors" (blacks, the Irish and others) by pricing them out of the labor market. They sincerely believed that their superior intellect could "improve things by superior intellect and scientific methods being employed in societal planning". They read Darwin and got it wrong. Instead of accepting the world as it is and ..(GO TO PART YYY)
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@xadam2dudex PART YYY:accepting how it operated and using intellect to understand and adapt (evolve) to and with it, their hubris lead them to believe that their superior intellect could change it for the "better" as they sought to define better. Their views have lead to today's America, a mixed economy pretending to be "free" while having to cope with the myriad of unintended consequences of the "better ideas" enacted by the progressives who can't ..(GO TO PART ZZZ)
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
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@xadam2dudex PART ZZZ:accept that the consequences we now deal with are the result of their own misguided actions intended to "improve reality", "make the world a better place", make things "fairer". Darwin taught us that the world is what it is and everything in it evolves as changes are judged in an uncertain future that no one can forecast. Physical mutations, concepts, innovations, ideas etc. can only be judged by their success or failure ..(GO TO PART ZZZ#2)
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@xadam2dudex PART ZZZ#2: in that world that simply is and in a future that cannot be foretold, not one that is constrained by an intelligencia that hubristically invents a "better" world that "ought" or "should" be, that is based on their own judgments of what ought to be. In order to shape the world the way that they want it to be, the way that they imagine it should or ought to be, progressives by definition must constrain freedom: freedom to act ...(GO TO PART ZZZ#3)
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
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@xadam2dudex PART ZZZ#3:individually; to fail, to succeed too much (judged, of course by them), to act in ways they believe to be foolish, "wasteful", "greedy" and so on.
Now that allgoo19 has helped me gather my thoughts, I have a nice package, along with all the other sources I have, to help minimize the rise of more dangerous progressives who, perhaps w/good intention, are contributing to the destruction of our country.
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@abbadabbadolittle PART I: Stupid voters? Pot calling the kettle black I see. Read Parts AAA to ZZZ#3 posted in reply to @xadam2dudex & see who's stupid. Briefly, We allowed unions to use the power given to them by FDR under the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA) of 1936 to both raise wage rates and benefits and discourage labor saving technologies to eventually make our basic industries uncompetitive in world (SEE PART 2)
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@WingThaiJ What are you an economics student?Lets see who is the cause and who profited from this down economy?Hmmmm, banks, developers, investment skeezers, AIG......no don't see any union ties in there.Stop quoting your text books ...no one cares but you.Funding to Universities through the Cato Ins.,Koch Brothers etc.(all elite scum groups and people)that are creating you brainwashed Nazi, corporate ass-lickers to promote their corporatist agenda through their teachings ala Friedman & Hayack.
abbadabbadolittle 7 months ago
@abbadabbadolittle PART A: We allowed unions to use the power given to them by FDR under the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA) of 1936 to both raise wage rates and benefits and discourage labor saving technologies to eventually make our basic industries uncompetitive in world markets (e.g. steel, autos, etc.), thus exporting them to China and elsewhere. The National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) was set up by FDR to "balance" the power given ..(GO TO PART B)
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@abbadabbadolittle PART B:to the unions by the NLRA (FDR said that he knew the NLRA effectively allowed the unions the right to seize private property(factories) so he had to balance this power (interestingly, he also said that he could not grant this power to the public employee unions because they would have endless sources of money from taxpayers) He left the decision to allow public employee collective bargaining to the states. The first state (GO TO PART C)
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
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@abbadabbadolittle PART C:to grant the right to collective bargaining was Bob Lafollet's (progressive that he was) Wisconsin. You see where that got us!Fast forward to today, Obama, the most blatantly political of Presidents (commie that he most assuredly is) appointed the union's lawyer to the NLRB (under recess appointment-the only way to get him on the board since congress would not approve him) and he was the deciding vote on the board's ..(GO TO PART D)
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@abbadabbadolittle PART D: Boeing decision to object to Boeing's new plant being built in a "right to work" state (South Carolina, I think). Anyway, take the US auto industry, its peak in he 60's was succeeded by a steady decline where a combination of above market wages and benefits priced workers out of the market. More importantly, work rules and punitive payments to existing workers as new labor saving equipment destroyed both (GO TO PART E)
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@abbadabbadolittle PART E:productivity and profitability (when GM went bankrupt they paid more per car for workers not working ($2,000) than for the steel (produced and shipped from mostly India- $1,800) used to produce the cars! Without productive, modern facilities and an efficient, smaller, high paid skilled workforce (like Germany has now-German govt was not bought and paid for by its unions as we are) we lost our base industries (and ,, GO TO PART F
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@abbadabbadolittle PART F: thers that would have located here if we were more employer friendly-put in a better way "free").
In the name of giving the "working man" a better life, higher wages and more power, we have turned our backs on world market competition and the freedom to own private property and use it productively. We call it "fairness", "socially correct" or whatever phrase that sounds good, but it is giving the right for a relatively small ...(GO TO PART G)
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@abbadabbadolittle part AA: Thanks for your amusing outbursts of nonsense! The point is that you exemplify the typical liberal who will do anything to justify people living at the expense of others hard work. You mentally block out FACTS that if you knew anything of said facts you would turn away from our country busting unions & realize that free enterprise is what America was about & why we have Independence day. Obama is preventing Boeing from providing jobs in S. Carolina, (go to PART BB)
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@WingThaiJ Once again fucktard...both sides Dems and Rep's are the same. They work for your God, the elite and corporations....all policy made towards the enrichment of the corporations including bailouts.Can you not see that...Boo,Hoo Boeing ...how much money have they gotten from their lucrative Gov. contracts...Aren't they the ones building the fence between US and Mexico? They were paid millions and job still not done ..typical.You are totally clueless.Lick those boots.
abbadabbadolittle 7 months ago
@abbadabbadolittle Sorry,by elite u meanProgressives. Recall they're the one's who think they can manipulate the world in order to achieve what they think 'ought' to occur or 'should' occur,not knowing ramifications of what they do & I agree about both parties & pubs just haven't been conservative enough worrying about votes as well.Boeing should NOT have to answer to the Gov as to where they set up shop! This is pure dictatorship & unconstituionalThis is the America u want?This is NOT America
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@abbadabbadolittle PART 1:What do u mean my God? I'm not into org religion; I'm into conservative responsible economics w/out Gov intrustion as THEY ALWAYS screw things up! I have no respect for big bus. that seek gov intervention in markets to gain advantage or to hurt their competitors by calling them "dominant" or monopolists.Nor do I respect big bus.(GE or ArcherDaniels. Midlands-ethanol) that give $ to influence pols to ..(GO TO PART 2)
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@abbadabbadolittle PART 2:.....increase their own income (just like unions). The only point is that if gov't didn't grant themselves the power to force others to pay employees more (unions) or take taxpayer money to favor others (GE and ADM), the unions and big business would have no reason to influence gov't in the first place!
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@abbadabbadolittleObama is advocatg for Brazil to Drill&we'll buy oil, yet he doesn't want our people to do same.He wants to spend more $even though last stimulus has recently been PROVEN to have cost 1Mill jobs. People like u r Cultists incapable of thought beyond what u want to believe. It's attitudes like urs that brought us to where we R. Unfortunately ignorantly cultists to lib cause R our demise&it won't sink in until we have no country but then u will all try to blame Bush for that too
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@abbadabbadolittle Oh, By the Way FUCK YOU for you & yours FUCKING UP OUR COUNTRY!
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@abbadabbadolittle Part 2:,,markets(e.g. steel, autos, etc.), thus exporting them to China & elsewhere. The National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) was set up by FDR to "balance" power given to the unions by NLRA (FDR said that he knew NLRA allowed unions the right to seize private property(factories) so he had to bal this power (interestingly, he also said that he could not grant this power to the public employee unions because they would have endless sources of $ from taxpayers) See PART 3
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@abbadabbadolittle PART 3: FDR was against public union collective bargaining for obvious reasons. Collective bargaining gives a public-sector union a monopoly over the government’s workforce. By law the government can employ workers only on the terms negotiated by the union; it cannot hire non-union workers to do the job. That means the government must reach an agreement with the union to get anything done. (See Part 4)
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@WingThaiJ ..Blah,Blah, Blah.....so you would like to be paid maybe 2.00 an hour?You should vote for Bauchman she is against the minimum wage law. You can look at everything both ways no minimum wage..wow companies will hire more people...but at slave wages...once again good for corporations bad for workers.All of your info is so right wing..Maybe if your owners and you get your way we will be another China.The economy will never be cured unless people are working...working people spend.
abbadabbadolittle 7 months ago
@abbadabbadolittle Anyone would be better than Obama who is spending us over a cliff; dumb asses still vote for him.. I bet you still think this was all Bush's fault.. ROFL.. Look what Gov did getting involved w/the private sector with mortgages, etc..
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@abbadabbadolittle Part 4:voters’ elected representatives do not have the final say.This gives unions enormous power over government budgets, which they use to get more of the budget spent on them: Collective bargaining is the reason taxpayers in Wisconsin cover almost all the cost of government pensions and 94 percent of government workers’ health-care premiums.● Collective bargaining is the reason most (See Part 5)
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@abbadabbadolittle Part 5: Wisconsin school districts buy health coverage from a company created by the Wisconsin Education Association—even though their premiums cost far more than competing carriers. Collec bargaining is reason MilwaukeePublic Schools spent 100's of 1000's of $ on Viagra instead of on educating students.If unions have power to force gov to hire on their terms,they have the power to press for more tax $. Unions might make concessions now,but tomorrow is another day. See Part 6
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@abbadabbadolittle Part 6:And if they keep their monopoly, unions may not make even concessions today. Wisconsin union leaders publicly insist they accept Governor Walker’s proposed increases in employee contributions, but it looks like their municipal locals didn’t get the memo — they are locking in contracts that make none of those changes. If collective-bargaining reform gets taken off the table, unions will go right back ..(See Part 7)
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@abbadabbadolittle Part 7:to demanding that taxpayers cough up more. Letting government unions keep their monopoly ties the hands of voters’ elected representatives and forces them to spend enough to keep the unions satisfied. Collective bargaining is all about taxpayers’ money. That is what government unions bargain for.— James Sherk is a senior policy analyst in labor economics in the Center for Data Analysis at the Heritage Foundation.
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@WingThaiJ Part 1...I do not accept any info from Cato Ins.,Heritage Foundation...etc...all Friedmanite shit tanks to change policy and thinking for the ignorant sheeple who are too stupid to use common sense or read. The unions have lost their lobbying power because of corporate funding.Viagra really isn't that what Rush Gasbag had on him at the airport?Charter schools..everyone pays,still funded with more tax dollars!Corporations paying 0 in taxes,Fed X,Chevron,GE,Exxon,Bank of America etc.
abbadabbadolittle 7 months ago
@abbadabbadolittle In other words, u don't accept reality because reality gets in the way, huh?The point is that progressives have no common sense; hx has proven this.FDR's policies have screwed us all & yes stupid people think otherwise. I'm still waiting for direct rebuttals to my specific info.. however, there's obviously no rebut as reality speaks for itself.Collective bargaing is BS; ya want to elect your own politicians to turn around at tax payers expense & get whatever ya want.
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
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WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@abbadabbadolittle You don't need to accept anything other than reality, but I see you can't accept that. The ignorant sheep are the one's who follow blindly when they have no clue how real business works in the real environment ; The Gov needs to get out of the way and let Private Sector do it's magic & get rid of policies which force people to fork over their money to unions just so they can work. Stupid morons
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@abbadabbadolittle Part 8:F.D.R. believed that “[a] strike of public employees manifests nothing less than an intent on their part to obstruct the operations of government until their demands are satisfied. Such action looking toward the paralysis of government by those who have sworn to support it is unthinkable and intolerable.” Roosevelt was hardly alone in holding these views, even among the champions of organized labor. See Part 9
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@abbadabbadolittle Part 10: Indeed, the first president of the AFL-CIO, George Meany, believed it was “impossible to bargain collectively with the government.” In WI collective bargaining has earned well over $700K in Viagra & workers calling in sick, then coming in that day anyway to work in some other capacity, then collecting over-time pay.
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@WingThaiJLast point ...are you on the wrong site? Did you navigate away from the right-wing-nut sites by accident? You will not change anyones thinking on this site, so why bother. We know what we are living, and what is best for us. By the way check out Newsweek and all publications on Best CountriesTo Live, guess which ones are at the top of the lists.....Scandanavian (socialist) countries.Ah,Oh.....have a nice life and good luck getting back on track.
abbadabbadolittle 7 months ago
@abbadabbadolittle This is what you use to judge best places to live? What best places to live off the sweat of others? America is turning into a shit hole because it's being populated with lazy asses who want to live off of others. Interesting how there is no interest in discussing specifics
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@abbadabbadolittle PART G: number of people (union members) to steal private property and put their self-interest before that of the world consumer. It is communism that is called market-socialism or a mixed economy. As we now witness, there is no such thing. It is made up nonsense by people who do not accept that the world is as it is and we cannot pretend that we can control or outsmart it for some hubristically fantasized "common good".(GO TO PART H)
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@abbadabbadolittle PART H: Take away a progressives' words like "ought" and "should" and he has no ideas that work in the real world. His ideas deny that we are creatures that evolved from a Darwinian world that just is and whenever we seek to outsmart it, we create "unintended consequences" that result in inefficiencies that now "hollow out" our wage earning population to produce the phenomenon we are now witness to: highly (GO TO PART I)
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@abbadabbadolittle PART I:productive, well educated, highly paid people at the top with the skills and wealth to live and do well in the global economic real world, and those that were hoodwinked into thinking that their pretend world unions could allow them to escape that real world. A reality that turns out to be exactly the opposite of what the progressives intended when they interfered in the real world market process with their short term pretend ..(GO TO PART J)
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@abbadabbadolittle PART J: ideas" that effectively ruined history's most productive economy. The progressives lead the lambs to the slaughter with their hubristic, idealistic, denial of the efficiency of free men that must operate freely in free markets without the interference of idealists with utopian ideas that think they're smarter than a Darwinistic real world. I omitted the connection between unionism in our base industries (particularly steel (GO TO PART K)
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@abbadabbadolittle:Part A: Hong Kong, Singapore, Ireland, and Australia were all rated as "more free," according to the Heritage Index of Economic Freedom. It would probably be better to compare these Scandinavian nations to Hong Kong or Ireland than to the United states. Furthermore, Scandinavian nations are not nearly as socialist as leftists claim they are. Although the United States ranks higher than (GO TO PART B)
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@abbadabbadolittle PART B:hese nations on the Index of Economic Freedom, Scandinavian nations are more free in several decisive areas. Denmark has greater business freedom, monetary freedom, investment freedom, financial freedom, freedom from corruption, and labor freedom while having comparable property rights and trade freedom scores to the U.S. Sweden has greater business freedom ..GO TO PART C
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@abbadabbado PART B: ...these nations on the Index of Economic Freedom, Scandinavian nations are more free in several decisive areas. Denmark has greater business freedom, monetary freedom, investment freedom, financial freedom, freedom from corruption, and labor freedom while having comparable property rights and trade freedom scores to the U.S. Sweden has greater business freedom ..GO TO PART C
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@abbadabbadolittle PART C:and freedom from corruption, while having comparable trade freedom, monetary freedom, property rights enforcement, investment freedom, and financial freedom to the United States. Finland has greater business freedom, monetary freedom, and freedom from corruption than the United States, while having comparable property right enforcement, financial freedom, and trade freedom. (GO TO PART D)
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@abbadabbadolittle PART D:Norway, the least successful Scandinavian nation, has greater freedom from corruption than the United States while having comparable business freedom, trade freedom, and property right enforcement. Iceland has greater business freedom, fiscal freedom, and freedom from corruption, while having comparable trade freedom and property right enforcement. In many ways, Scandinavian countries are more "laissez faire" than the United States.GO TO PART E:
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@abbadabbadolittle PART E: To finish of this deal, here are some articles, excerpts, etc. about the failure of specific welfarist policies the Scandinavian countries follow, change occurring in these nations, and the like:The Sweden Myth (LvMI); How the Welfare State Corrupted Sweden (LvMI); Sweden: Poorer Than You Think (LvMI); Can the United States Learn from the Nordic Model? (Cato) Sweden: From Capitalist GO TO PART F
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@abbadabbadolittle PART F: Success to Welfare-State Sclerosis (Cato); Should Scandinavia Be Our Model? Podcast (Cato); Should the United States Be More Like Scandinavia? Policy Forum (Cato); Johnny Munkhammar in Defense of Free Market Capitalism in Sweden Weeky Video (Cato); Sweden Repeals Wealth Tax (Cato); Sweden is a Tax Haven? (Cato); The Welfare State Causes Sickness (Cato); GO TO PART G
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@abbadabbadolittle PART G:If the Swedish State is Socialist, What is Ours? (Cato); New Challenge to the Nordic Welfare Model (Cato); Introduction to Economics Review (Mackinac); Free Enterprise in Action Review (Mackinac); Institutions and Analysis (Mackinac); Where Are the Omelettes? (Mackinac); Scandinavian Irony (FEE); Are High Taxes the Basis of Economic Growth? (FEE); Sweden: Tightening the Screws (FEE); Swedish Welfare (The New American); Sweden after the Swedish model.; EU vs USA.
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@WingThaiJ WHO GIVES A FUCK...You can yak all day long..as I said before you and Trolls like you will not change my thinking.Do you have any actual thoughts not read from stats(biased)Cato Institute Friedman shit tank and no thanks I do not believe anything they say.PS Stop clogging my e-mail with your anal retentive right-wing-nut factless bullshit.
abbadabbadolittle 7 months ago
@abbadabbadolittle On a continual basis we learn more Obama waste: The government spent over $30,000 in taxpayer dollars (cost of grants and loan subsidies) per unserved house connecting them to the Internet! If you take 3G broadband into account (which granted isn't as fast or as dependable as fixed broadband) the cost per unserved house climbs to almost $350,000! Wow, The Gov really knows what it's doing, huh?
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@abbadabbadolittle Then Y don't you run around the neighborhood, pick pocket the neighbors and start throwing $ all over the place; as that is what the Obama Admin is doing as they are clueless as to what it takes to create jobs. The Gov isn't suppose to be creating jobs, they are suppose to provide an environment for jobs to be created. Big Bus. would not be try'g to influence the Gov if the Gov was not involved w/Business; that's the bottom line. U can't make people...
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@WingThaiJ The rich need to pay their fair share. Most multinational corps. do not pay any tax. Since the 2% decrease in wealthy persons tax we lost 4 million jobs ...but the decrease sure helped create jobs in China and India.Unless you are wealthy stop defending the tax dodgers ...if you are not ...the wealthy love people like you who vote against your own best interests and side with them.
abbadabbadolittle 7 months ago
@abbadabbadolittle - This is why tax loop holes need to be plugged; Since the stimulus package, study's now show this package cost 1000,000 private sector jobs. The problem is & always has been Gov intrusion, hence, the subprime debacle with C. Dodd & B. Franks, etc. I'm not defending tax dogers; you cannot benefit from increased revs & spending is well beyond what is taken in anyway. What good is more wasted $? I'm not wealthy & it is in my interest to allow the Free Mrkt to flourish
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@WingThaiJ Problem #1 what free markets?Corporations with the help of our twisted Gov. are running the show.What is the difference between Bush and OBama? To me it is just one continuation.During Bush's monarchy the economy was a house of cards ...not even real waiting to implode.All policies and practices put into effect through Reagan, Clinton, Bush and now OBama led us to where we are now.
abbadabbadolittle 7 months ago
@abbadabbadolittle PART 1: Now you hit on something I agree w. That's the point I'm makg, the Gov should not be involved. I agree w/you about Bush also! The ONLY reason bus. lobbys for favors, "tax breaks" gov't subsidies etc. is because it's worth it. No gov't interference in mrkts (farm subsidies-paying not to grow some crops, subsidizing others, trying to "maintaining prices" or some such scheme to (CONT to PART 2)
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@abbadabbadolittle PART 2:..outsmart the market for some hair brained "fairness" or "national farm/food supply policy"), no "tax policy" to "encourage" production of oil (sometimes "domestic energy policy", sometimes "tax breaks for the greedy, rich oil producers"-"windfall profits tax"), corn (ridiculous ethanol "save the planet/global warming" hoax). Each message carefully crafted to by political pollsters and (CONT TO PART 3)
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@abbadabbadolittle PART 3:"wordsmiths" to appeal to naïve, clueless, idealistic voters to "do something" about some real or imagined, or trumped up crisis ("let's not waste a good crisis"-Rahm Imanuel) or emergency. Give me (gov't) the power to interfere in free markets or the money, money taken by gov't by force from someone that actually earned it by creating value from producing something that someone else (CONT TO PART 4)
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@abbadabbadolittle PART 4:VOLUNTARILY paid more for than it cost-free, uncoerced trade) and I (gov't) will solve whatever well crafted-fill in the blank-problem that is the politically correct, flavor of the day "issue". What we lose in all this is our freedoms, freedom in the form of less of our on money to solve our own problems (or others' problems by giving time or money to the charities WE choose or the problems (CONT TO PART 5)
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@abbadabbadolittle PART 6:rights, workers' rights, right to a "living wage" or other "imagined right" to treat the world's "unfairness") or purposely sinister purpose-stay in office, corruption-"reward friends and punish enemies", get a job after serving in office (lobbying for the industry you just regulated in the name of "protecting the people"---what hogwash! At the end of the gov't gets increasingly powerful with increasing (CONT TO PART 7)
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@abbadabbadolittle PART 7:resources to regulate all aspects of our lives and increasing our need to pay attention to THEM, the resource consuming public sector, instead of productive things that create real value for us and others (the private sector). Businesses get in the game to receive favors because the gov't we gave the power to in the name of some "good cause, sense of fairness, market imbalance, financial crisis, or other (CONT TO PART 8)
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@abbadabbadolittle PART 8: "compelling, finely crafted politically correctly messaged "issue", gained the power it wanted to MAKE business have to come to it for the favors only they (gov't) can grant! This process of ever-declining freedom of the individual and ever-increasing power of gov't is exactly what the constitution was supposed to protect us from. The only rights are individual rights. No group has rights, they cannot (CONT TO PART 9)
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@abbadabbadolittle PART 10:because the "majority" can't vote to take away some right an individual has. We don't have a democracy for that very purpose (tyranny of the majority). What if 51% votes to take all the money from the 49%? That's what the progressive movement has brought us to today. "The Road to Serfdom" written by a FEE economist Fredrick Hyek in the 30's was prescient and why FEE is not biased or prejudiced & a great site that you should consider reading. It's real!
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@WingThaiJ Read Shock Doctrine, I do not care for Hyack or the policies ala M. Friedman.Honestly why do you defend the elite? I have yet to see them give up anything, contrary to what the mass media keeps trying to hype. Bailouts,subsidies, lucrative no-bid cost++ gov.contracts,0 paid to the IRS these are all to fund the rich. If you have a small business these policies hurt you too.The facism we are experiencing today is due to phoney free market policies.
abbadabbadolittle 7 months ago
@abbadabbadolittle Defending elite? If u read my post it had to do w/NO GOV involvement w/Business. They should not allow corporations to obtain ANYTHING from GOV. There should be no way they can have anythg to do w/Gov.The same w/Gov involvement in ANY bus.. What's biggest tax loophole around? Almost 50% of Americans pay no taxes.Even though Obama says otherwise;wealthy R payg far more than 'fair share' of taxes. The top 1% paid more than ENTIRE BOTTOM 95%. But that's only the beginning.
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@abbadabbadolittle PART 1: U do not seem to get the point. If we give more power to government we get less freedom. I am anti big business, not pro!I am anti the big gov/big business cabal. 2% of the taxpayers pay about half of the taxes collected. Stop redistributing income via big govt to the unproductive & to union bosses & to favored businesses. I don't care if you don't like Heyek & others. The others don't have ...(Go To Part 2)
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@abbadabbadolittle Part 2:...policies,they observe truths. If you doesnt get the truth that big govt is the enabler of corruption-unions, big business, stupid, redistributive programs-and the cause of market pricing disorders-and the initiator of the loss of freedoms-then there is no reason to debate. Your attitude SEEMS to be socialist/communist & you SEEM to believe govt is a solution. I KNOW it is the problem.
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@abbadabbadolittle I run a business, I need to meet payroll, unlike the Gov, I have to spend w/in my means; we had an administration who's programs make the future very uncertain and w/out confidence; I'd like to open a new facility and hire more people... Common sense tells me and of course my accountant, that we will be better off trying to expand when Obama is out of office...
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@abbadabbadolittle You can't make people who can't afford to buy home to own a home as the Carter & Clinton and later Bush policies advocated & incentivized. However, people who could not afford a home bought one as that was the market provided to Bus. care of Gov.... Get Gov Out Of Bus & You WIll Get Bus. Out Of Gov.....
WingThaiJ 7 months ago
@WingThaiJ Taking Gov. totally out of the game with no regulation on business ..basically what brought the economy to its knees...does not work either,obviously.If Gov. did what it was supposed to...serve and protect the people,we would not be having this conversation.Gov.'s revolving door policy twith big business is to blame. They have lost interest in strengthing the countryand its people.Rules and law maintain a civilized society.Big business can't be trusted when profit is the only goal.
abbadabbadolittle 7 months ago
Russ feingold is the most principled politician in the US. To see him loose a reelection bid is very depressing for the political future of our country
Sheeeeeenful 10 months ago
This rally will be focused on reforming the way our entire Government conducts its business. We will DEMAND immediate campaign finance reforms, even if it requires a Constitutional amendment, in addition to other needed reforms to declare a NEW independence, and to rid our democratic process of the chokehold that multinational corporations currently enjoy in all levels and branches of government. Rise up for honest government, America! We ARE the people we've been waiting for!
MadCityMiles 11 months ago
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go to facebook.com and search "IndependenceMarchOnWashington". We are taking this fight to Washington and demanding an end to corporate influence over our elections.
MadCityMiles 11 months ago
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go to facebook.com and search "IndependenceMarchOnWashington". We are taking this fight to Washington and demanding an end to corporate influence over our elections.
MadCityMiles 11 months ago
This rally will be focused on reforming the way our entire Government conducts its business. We will DEMAND immediate campaign finance reforms, even if it requires a Constitutional amendment, in addition to other needed reforms to declare a NEW independence, and to rid our democratic process of the chokehold that multinational corporations currently enjoy in all levels and branches of government. Rise up for honest government, America! We ARE the people we've been waiting for!
MeMcKenna1 11 months ago
i am so sick of people posting that liberals are socialist or communists.
416mcp 11 months ago
Run Russ! We need you. You have the respect and support of the people.
squaggar 11 months ago
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We miss you Russ.
Please run again- we won't let you down.
I now have fewer rights than Ronald MacDonald or that lizard that shills for car insurance.
springjack000 11 months ago
We miss you Russ.
Please run again- we won't let you down.
I now have fewer rights than Ronald MacDonald or that lizard that shills for car insurance.
I'm failing to survive as it is- gas or food?
springjack000 11 months ago
We miss you Russ.
Please run again- we won't let you down.
I now have fewer rights than Ronald MacDonald or that lizard that shills for car insurance.
springjack000 11 months ago
We miss you Russ.
Please run again- we won't let you down.
springjack000 11 months ago
We miss you Russ.
springjack000 11 months ago
Totally gay! Just like Feinberg.
Observer82AB 11 months ago
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Hello, I was wondering if we could promote a one-day World Strike sometime this spring. In the US, the UK, in Spain, in Greece, in Ireland, in Egypt, in Tunisia, everyone, everywhere. A day in which every citizen, no matter what their job is (except maybe for doctors) would stop and withdraw enough money from the banks to bring these economic powers to their knees. There are more of us! Would you know how to organise such an event?
NataliaToronto 11 months ago
A Good Man certainly and a Good Concept to be sure.
But nonetheless P.U. is a terrible idea. (And an even worse acronym)
Do we really need one more group with a right wing target painted on its back to distract us from the battle at hand?
Finally do Progressives need to be united? ... or do all Americans!
WBEmirgen 11 months ago
Ron Paul, the Bible bumping right-wing pretendatarian.
deekismusic 1 year ago
Corporate "Personhood" is a perversion of Our System and the inarguable intent of Our Founders, the Bill of Rights was created to protect the Individual from the "Eternal Abuses" of government all government...!
How is a Corporation an Individual...?
Ask that of the Federalist Society Tory swine that are the Majority of what was Our Supreme Court and is now in fact the Federalist Society Court..?
TJTele 1 year ago
I'd prefer Feingold back in the Senate or in charge of the Department of Justice. He's too good to limit to just Wisconsin.
TheHenryCorp 1 year ago
Russ Feindgold: arrogant prick. This guy helped WI to become a 'doner state'. Under him and then Gov'r Jim Doyle- their anti-business policies pushed more manufacturing jobs out of state or out of business. Their are more State jobs than Manufacturing jobs in WI as of 2010- the first time in the state's 162 year history. Russ Feindgold- GO AWAY!!!
TAXtheAtheist 1 year ago
Fellow Progressives - Greens take no money from corporations. Until you are willing to tell republidems no, nothing will change. Its very simple. Vote your beliefs. Simply putting in more republidems that you all willingly admit work for corporations first and the people like 3rd or 4th makes zero sense.
tovarco 1 year ago
@tovarcoPISS ON ALL PROGRESSIVE SCUM
biggerturtle 1 year ago
Hey Russ - Why don't you study the Constitution, article 4 section 4 states we have a republic NOT a democracy.
The people held YOU accountable for Obamacare, amnesty for illegals, voting yes on funding cities that ignore our immigration laws, and etc.
You talk about our jobs going overseas, you help give away the ones we have left. I applied for a job right here in your old district, and was turned down because I didn't speak Spanish.
character654 1 year ago
@character654 Instead of mindlessly regurgitating Tea Party talking points, think for yourself. During reconstruction, rich former slave owners created the KKK to keep poor, armed whites from coming after them. The Tea Party was created for the very same reason.
Instead of focusing your vitriol on meaningless bullshit, vote for people who stand up for REAL middle class values, instead of just paying them lip service while lowering tax rates for the top 5%.
koschei42 1 year ago 2
@koschei42 Talk about mindless meaningless BS. So who am I supposed to vote for? Some big government tax and spender like Feingold or some big government borrowing and spending neocon?
character654 1 year ago
@character654
Pick the party you hate less. Or do a write in of someone you do like.
tomstockmail 1 year ago
@tomstockmail Ron Paul 2012 The lesser of two evils is still evil.
character654 1 year ago
@koschei42 they've been consolidated into the top 2% and are closing in on merging that into the top 1%, but good point.
TheHenryCorp 1 year ago
Russ, We don't have a democracy. That's a Zionist myth. Each of today's so-called democracies is really a demockery ~ an aristocracy masquerading as a democracy to placate the People about their enslavement. And, our government didn't "coddle" the banks. They rewarded the instigators of their planned global economic collapse with a trillion dollar bonus. Call a spade a spade. The Zionists are not Jews. And, they're ruining the Earth.
stopdemockery 1 year ago
18 paid-to-post neocon trolls viewed this video.
kaysandesses 1 year ago 3
I like the sound of President Feingold. Recall OBAMA!
gimlithepimp88 1 year ago 3
Oh, Russ Feingold, I've always been behind you, and most likely always will. I will of course join you!
balloons927 1 year ago
Way to go Russ. I thank you for your support of Middle Class workers and those less forturnate. Don't be afraid of the radical Right who are beholden to the Corporations and the top 2%. When we recall Scott Walker I hope you run for the job. Thanks Russ for being a great Progressive. The college dropout Scott Walker obviously has an adgenda of breaking the Unions. Bargain with them Mr. Walker. All the money that would be saved amounts to only about 5% of the total bogus deficit.
Augmuse 1 year ago 2
Notice that the socialist Russ Feingold is a "former" senator. He will never see public office again. Progressives United won't be very effective and will only help in repeating the Nov. 2010 election results. They just plain don't have the numbers. Comrade Obama is a God send for conservatives.
mrchiefofsinners 1 year ago
Liberalism and progressives promote evils such as abortion, sodomite marriage, legalization of marijuana etc., while conservatives and christians try to protect from such evils.
mrchiefofsinners 1 year ago
@mrchiefofsinners "progressives promote abortion, sodomite marriage, legalization of pot., while con