"I Welcome Their Hatred!" What A Real Leader Would Say

[shabaash]

Let's call a spade a spade. The government is CORRUPT, 100% corrupted by the campaign financing system which favors those who make the large contributions--the organized corporate interests, and especially the military-industrial complex. Obama dared not challenge that corrupt system, so he is also a part of it. The American people need to declare their independence once again....this time from the corrupt federal entity which is no so far gone that it is not worth saving.

[bon1042]

FDR's remarks are amazing. This was January 2010. I'm sure Keith Olbermann is just as disappointed as I and a lot of people are. Read new book, Confidence Men by Ron Suskind.

[plaidchuck]

if you're pissing em off you're doing something right.

[sutircomed]

Well, this was easier to say before Citizens United and billion-$ elections.

Obama is still the best prez since FDR -- and let's keep in mind we've come a long way from that time too. FDR himself wouldn't even MEET with a black man in the White House. Now, a black man occupies the White House.

[xexixk]

@sutircomed Have you ever read about the time Theodore Roosevelt invited Booker T. Washington to the White House for dinner? He was vilified in the southern press for it. He was shocked by that but also refused to apologized and stood by his decision. It's an interesting story if you aren't familiar with it.

[mojorhythm]

I wish Obama had a little more chutzpah. All he does is capitulate, capitulate, capitulate, compromise, compromise, compromise.

American does not need an impotent ponce willing to meet halfway with a trope of bullying, power-mad lunatics.....they need A FUCKING LEADER!

[1tephania]

@mojorhythm

To be honest, Obama starts from a far weaker position than FDR ever was in his life. Obama is black, FDR was white. Obama is younger than most of his political peers, FDR was not. Obama came from some obscure, no-name family, FDR was an aristocrat in all but name, the scion of a family of ultimate insiders, the Roosevelts.

Obama has to bargain and compromise, especially if he wants to win a second term.

[mojorhythm]

@1tephania I disagree. Not with the facts, but with your interpretation of them. Obama needs to fight back. The people need a strong leader that is willing to make the necessary sacrifices, and identify the enemy for who they are. If you compromise with a group of bullies, they just punch harder next time around.

[bbdupon]

FDR had guts, plain and simple.

[Zeldovich]

@cheeseaura

Sounds like that Austrian crap again, which actually rejects empiricism. You're an idiot.

[gosciu555]

@cheeseaura

The hell are you talking about, do you not know about the fascist coup plot against FDR? You know nothing. They didn't create any "problems" with the FED, it was just a formalization of the money power. I bet you're on of those people who believes in the Austrian garbage and you think its "American?" Eh?

[poopstreek]

When will these ass-baskets realize that Obama IS the establishment, and that he DOES work for the big banks?

[aaron89978]

@poopstreek Come say that to my face, you little cunt. I'll cut your head off and toss it to your mom and tell her to catch. Republicans = Retardation.

[poopstreek]

@aaron89978 I am no Republican. You are in denial that Obama is a sellout.

[aaron89978]

@poopstreek No, YOU'RE in denial that conservatism hurts the working class. Make all the excuses you want, make all the arguments you want. You're wrong. This country doesn't need a president who's God-fearing, as some say. Beliefs have absolutely nothing to do with the economy. Economic issues trump social issues such as abortion, plain and simple. And if you can't accept that, then you're nothing special; you're just one more blind sheep in a crowd of moronic idiots which make up conservatism.

[poopstreek]

@aaron89978 You want to know what will ELIMINATE the middle class? When Obama ruins our currency. Gas prices are not going up, the price of the dollar is going down.

After Bush, we simply can't afford Obama.

[aaron89978]

@poopstreek After Bush, we certainly can't afford to go back to a Republican who would OPENLY and WILLINGLY give tax cuts to the rich. Back up your comments. It's much to easy to say what your saying at a keyboard. A simple quip doesn't win you the argument, and you're GOING to win the argument anyway. I bet if it were within the realm of reality to take you to a different timeline where McCain won the election and did nothing about the recession, you'd be appalled. It could've been MUCH worse.

[poopstreek]

@aaron89978 You did not respond to Obama and Bush ruining the dollar... Proof that I don't need to write that much to disarm you. You respond with emotion, and emotion only. You type a lot, but say nothing. All you said was "D Team > R Team" and it took you all that to say it.

I did not vote for McCain. I don't like: Debt, inflation, illegal wars, Patriot Act, corporate lobbyists writing laws, or corporate welfare aka FASCISM.

Guess what, those are six things that the Dems, and Repubs LOVE.

[perdondaris]

@poopstreek Welfarism is not fascism and there is no fascism with a "smiley face".Fascism, those who knew it and lived through, did not confuse it with socialism, democratic, libertarian, authoritarian or otherwise.Fascism is rule by the mob of right wing populism. The implementation of Austrian school economics would lead to the figures implementing it to resort to authoritarian violence to maintain it or to their quick and speedy overthrow.

[backnumber1662]

@perdondaris Just as it did in Austria. Dolfuss, the Austrofascist leader's economic advisor was von Mises and he imposed von Mises policies by shelling (artillery) the working class areas of Vienna. Read your history and learn again. von Mises was a Fascist.

[MTL911Truth]

@cheeseaura No President did more to end the Fed than FDR. Research FDR's Reconstruction Finance Corporation (RFC.) He used it to bypass the Fed and give debt-free money to use for the New Deal projects. It became the number one source of credit in the U.S, more than the Fed itself. FDR knew very well the treason of the Fed, and Wall Street. Look at the Glass-Steagall act for more legislation FDR introduced to limit the power of the banksters.

[MTL911Truth]

@cheeseaura Anyone who thinks that Wall Street and the Federal Reserve bankers were pro-FDR doesn't know a thing about FDR. They tried to organize a fascist coup to take FDR out ffs. It almost worked too. Research the plot by researching Smedley Butler, the patriot these banksters tried to recruit to lead the 500,000 man fascist force against FDR, but who instead exposed their plans to the U.S. Senate because he loved the Constitution and was sick of being a gangster for internation finance.

[MTL911Truth]

FDR was a great American President, one of the few who understood the American school of Economics and sought to bring it to the whole world.

[prayfortruejustice]

@MTL911Truth

I guess the Supreme Court didn't see FDR and his policies as being so "great" when they rightfully unanimously found the "New Deal" (N.R.A.) Unconstitutional.

FDR was a misguided Keynesian and with E.O. 6102 stole the wealth of the American people.

FDR was a liar that made easy work of a gullible liberal constituency, while crafting back room deals for corrupt banking institutions.

in his own words: FDR's Radio address regarding the Banking holiday:

/watch?v=kFvrL_nqx2c

[RedXlV]

@prayfortruejustice

It was nowhere near "unanimous". It was the right-wingers who were blocking economic recovery. Just like now. Thankfully the wingnuts were eventually gone from the Supreme Court and recovery became possible.

[prayfortruejustice]

@MTL911Truth

"The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. This is the shabby secret of the welfare statists' tirades against gold. Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the confiscation of wealth. Gold stands in the way of this insidious process. It stands as a protector of property rights. If one grasps this, one has no difficulty in understanding the statists' antagonism toward the gold standard." - Alan Greenspan

[MTL911Truth]

@prayfortruejustice I need to know do you know what the American system of Economics is?

As for the gold standard, it is a provable fact in history that the gold standard only benefits the same economic royalists on Wall Street and in the City of London that FDR was railing against. Watch a documentary called the Money Masters. The banksters tried to kill FDR ffs. They tried to organize a 500,000 man army against him. Thank god they chose Smedley Butler, a true patriot, who foiled their plans.

[barbarianopinion]

He was a charismatic politician...and a decent commander in chief in that he hand picked very capable men to run the war effort (Ike, Mac, and Marshall).

But economically...he was one of history's great disasters. His manipulation of markets and micro-management of even the smallest businesses led to a constantly deepening depression and social misery unlike anything Americans had ever suffered...and it could have been ended very simply...he simply refused to listen to guidance.

[MTL911Truth]

@barbarianopinion What nonsense the Federal Reserve caused the Great Depression and caused it to continue so long. Thank god the country had FDR to get them through, and here you are blaming him like he had something to do with it. It was an emergency and he brought in emergency legislation to deal with it. Not all of it was sucessful and even one program was deemed unconstitutional, but to blame him and not the Fed for the continuing recession shows a complete misunderstanding of history.

[barbarianopinion]

Good lord...every economist I've ever known and ever worked with has suddenly been proven wrong...history has been turned entirely on it head thanks to your in-depth analysis.

Thank you 911 truthers...

You're as knowledgeable in economics as you are in your incredibly stupid conspiracy theories...what a bunch of whackos...

You flunk...you're dismissed.

[MTL911Truth]

@barbarianopinion I guess you have never read Milton Friedman then.

[barbarianopinion]

I have...I don't recall he legitimized micro-management of small business and government over-manipulation of markets as being good for an economy.

Perhaps you read early Friedman. Recall he was a Keynesian, even drifting toward Malthusianism, until the 50's when reversed himself and began campaigning against gov't over-interference...even supporting Eisenhower and his "hands off" policies toward business owners. Basically...he saw the light as a result of experience gained in the 30's.

[MTL911Truth]

"The Federal Reserve definitely caused the Great Depression by contracting the amount of money in circulation by one-third from 1929 to 1933"

-Milton Friedman, 1996

"The stock of money, prices and output was decidedly more unstable after the establishment of the Reserve System than before. The most dramatic period of instability in output was, of course, the period between the two wars, which includes the severe (monetary) contractions of 1920-1, 1929-33, and 1937-8."

-Milton Friedman

[barbarianopinion]

Two suggestions; read Friedman's more recent work...he changed his mind. #2 Read other economists...

No one thing causes a recession or a depression. The Fed did not help matters...but they were a sideshow...a world wide recession played a part, but the biggest culprit was the US gov't and their refusal to let the economy right itself. They micro-managed every facet of finance and industry, and did it badly, creating price and wage controls which kicked a recession into a depression. Study!

[MTL911Truth]

First of all, more recent than 1996? What do you suggest?

Second, just so I'm clear on your position, are you arguing for laissez-faire capitalism?

Third, what exactly would you have advised FDR to do? Leave things as they were? When FDR took office the Great Depression had already been going for three years. People were starving and homeless, everywhere. What proof do you have that the economy simply would have "righted itself" when it had three years to do so and failed.

[barbarianopinion]

Uh yea...Milt argues for laissez-faire as well.

FDR should have done a number of things...which were actually done after 12/7/41 in order to create a wartime economy. They lifted wage and price controls, disbanded the agencies created by the N.R.A., and actually encouraged the market to produce, instead of restricting resources and forcing non-production. They did a 180...turned the economy around...then after the war, with the cat out of the bag, they could not turn back the clock.

[MTL911Truth]

@barbarianopinion What price controls are you referring to? Price controls were actually implemented after Dec.7/41, not before. Please give me more info about what price controls you are referring to.

As to laissez-faire being the solution, how do you explain the Great Depression happening during the Harding, Coolidge and Hoover administrations, which all followed Mellon's laissez-faire philosophy. If laissez-faire was the solution, why didn't it solve the problem from 1929-32?

[barbarianopinion]

Those administrations were not free market, as they constantly enlarged the regulatory culture that began in earnest during the Wilson administration. But recall the 1920 recession...full controls had not yet been put in place, and the stock market took a serious beating only to come back in a year along with jobs. By 1929 enough "controls" had been put in place to well ensure the next recession would be blown out of all proportion...and it did so. Free market was forced on FDR by the war.

[RedXlV]

@barbarianopinion

So say the Austrian School dunce revisionists. Reality shows otherwise.

[barbarianopinion]

@RedXlV I'm speaking of the reality of this planet...I'm not sure what planet your "reality" came from. The historical analysis from my planet is pretty clear cut...I'll stick with what actually took place...let the public school system revise it all they want...doesn't change the truth.

[RedXlV]

@barbarianopinion That's funny given that the Austrian "School" doesn't even do analysis. They don't believe math has any place in economics.

[barbarianopinion]

@RedXlV I must have gone to the wrong univ then...because my professors were of the Austrian persuasion and I was inundated with quantitative statistical analysis and calculus for the last 4 years of study. It beat me to a pulp as higher math was never my favorite thing. I had to get help from friends who were math grad students to wade through it (it was not fun). I wish you'd told them they shouldn't believe in analysis or math.

[Garlannd]

Instead Obama would prefer to comfort the banks and let the people flounder while he tries to bankrupt us faster focusing on a health care plan. Oh wait.... oops... Keith I guess its the same no matter what party they are.

[Staticnz]

That was the worst State Of The Union address I've ever seen, even worse than those of George Bush.

It was boring, it was staid, it was vague, it was weak, it was conciliatory, it was too long, Obama looked tired and un-enthusiastic.

It was depressing.

[LifeIsGood63]

@Staticnz I guess you watched the wrong speech.

[chad00023]

kickthemallout . com

look at this site and see what we all MUST do to save we the peoples america

[jcNOVA88]

Ron Paul for FREEDOM! Obama is George Bush 3! Youtube Ron Paul and get with the r3VOLution!

[LifeIsGood63]

@jcNOVA88 Ron Paul is a racist republican (Read his book) Who says he against pork barrel spending even though he would have accepted pork money that came from Obamas stimulus package. What revolution are you talking about? The tea baggers?

[personkid20]

@LifeIsGood63 very well said ron paul is definitely one whose record(though you must dig a little) is paralleled to the national front or kkk no doubt.......

but they(all polichickens) are just that.......chickens

it's a part of the game of compromise, and hobama is no exception, neither bullsh, clintoon, ray-gun, etc.......

[jcNOVA88]

He votes for no pork barrel spending but if there's going to be pork barrel spending, He might as well obstruct it from going to the corrupt government in DC who just waste it. Ron Paul isn't racist he sees people as individuals not as groups. Ron Paul was the one who started the tea parties. Country club republicans are trying to take it over. Youtube Ron Paul and get with the r3VOLution already! It's in your best interest to want FREEDOM!

[LifeIsGood63]

@jcNOVA88 He started the tea baggers? Those people are ultra-racists. How can he be against pork barrel spending and also be for it? Did you read his book?

[jcNOVA88]

It was tea parties, the ron paul supporters came up with the idea to have a mega money bomb for his campaign for freedom, in december of 07 and 08, on the anniversary of the REAL tea party . Not all "tea baggers" as the Dems like to make of it, are all racist. I've read his two newest books The Revolution and End The Fed. I urge EVERYONE to read them! This fight we fight isn't about Democrat vs. Republican, Its about big tyrannical oppressive government vs freedom of the people! FREEDOM!

[grit123]

fuck politicians. period.

[imbubba56]

Well said. It took a world war to dig his dumb ass out of the depression.

[return135]

@imbubba56, the war didnt get us out of the great depression. after the war spending was cut by 2/3rds, taxes were cut by 1/3rd, and because FDR was now dead there was a lot less anti business rhetoric coming from the government.

[boots920]

USA 2010 JFK sums it up for ya...

Communism has never come to power in a country that was not disrupted by war or corruption, or both.

John F. Kennedy

Unfunded War - yep

Rampant Corruption with funny money - yep

[LifeIsGood63]

@boots920 Boots is a retarded Canadian? Yep. Name someone famous who is talked about 40 years after his assassination who was from Canada? Don't worry boots. I know you will stat your Anti-USA rant again soon.

[boots920]

Here's where you expose the pin heads ?

Hey buddy:

US Dollar World Reserve = Gold oz World Reserve

How come a $20 face item now costs $1800 in PAPER get it worthless paper.

The corrupt fucks are just counterfeiting paper money at this point.

[LifeIsGood63]

@boots920 I knew I could count on you! Although I looked at my savings account today and noticed a balance of -10 trillion. Does that mean I am broke? No one has said anything on how to fix this directly. I know we will never pay this off. But bitching about it will not help either. So do you like fishing?

[boots920]

No it just means the US dollar has been funny money since 1971 with all governments co-operating on the fraud.

You're happy about working and saving all your life for paper?

Gold price means the asshole government is counterfeiting paper money literally to pay for the stupid wars.

Its just a big puppet show at this point,,,the globe's toast.

[LifeIsGood63]

@boots920 So does that mean you hate fishing?

[boots920]

No it just means the USA is going to implode it already has with taxpayers waving the flag (Fascism sucks)

[ReliableInsider]

LifeIsGood63,

The fact that Canadians don't assassinate their heroes like we do doesn't make us superior.

[dave19941000]

@boots920 The comment JFK made about communism is false, in Chile before the US-backed military coup President Allende was elected and was the first and only communist to be elected. He also is was the 3ed democraticly elected leader in Latin america who was overthrown by a US-backed Coup for the profit of US corporations.