sunni vs shia (filipino)

[UniversalFortress]

pooya/Ali Commentary 4:59]

"Obey Allah and obey the messenger and the ulil amr (those vested with authority through His messenger)."

[UniversalFortress]

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ أَطِيعُواْ اللّهَ وَأَطِيعُواْ الرَّسُولَ وَأُوْلِي الأَمْرِ مِنكُمْ فَإِن تَنَازَعْتُمْ فِي شَيْءٍ فَرُدُّوهُ إِلَى اللّهِ وَالرَّسُولِ إِن كُنتُمْ تُؤْمِنُونَ بِاللّهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الآخِرِ ذَلِكَ خَيْرٌ وَأَحْسَنُ تَأْوِيلاً {59}

[UniversalFortress]

The command to obey is infinite-total obedience in all material, religious and spiritual matters, therefore, as this verse clearly signifies, the ulil amr must also be as just, wise and merciful as Allah and the Holy Prophet are, and he who - administers the affairs of mankind should be the khalifatullah (vicegerent of Allah) and the waliallah (representative of Allah whom He chooses after equipping him with His wisdom).

[UniversalFortress]

Please refer to the commentary of al-Baqarah: 30 to 39 and 124; and al-Ma-idah: 55 and 56 and 3 and 67 with reference to the event at Ghadir Khum; and al-Rad: 43; and al-Hud: 17. A careful study of the above references discloses that Ali, and after him, the remaining eleven Imams, in the progeny of the Holy Prophet, Ali and Fatimah, are the true successors of the Holy Prophet who have been referred to as ulil amr in this verse. So the Shias obey and follow the Holy Prophet and the twelve Imams.

[UniversalFortress]

It is irrational and senseless to accept any ruler as ulil amr, otherwise men like Yazid bin Mu-awiya will have to be included in the category of ulil amr; and no sane person would say that Allah has enjoined to obey men like Yazid (prototypes of whom were and are many and in abundance since the departure of the Holy Prophet till today) just as one obeys Allah and the Holy Prophet.

[UniversalFortress]

From the event of ashira (feast of the near relatives to carry out the divine command of "warn your tribe of near relatives") to the day at Ghadir Khum, the Holy Prophet repeatedly announced the successorship of Ali, therefore, the first step a true Muslim must take to obey the messenger of Allah is to obey and follow Ali ibn abi Talib

[UniversalFortress]

Also refer to the "Right Path" and "Peshawar Nights", published by the Peermohammed Ebrahim Trust or Zahra Publications, because the issue of ulil amr and wali has been discussed in depth in these books with authentic references from the well-known books of tafsir (exegesis) and hadith (traditions) written by the Muslim scholars

[UniversalFortress]

Today the Muslim ummah (from Indonesia to Morocco) is in a quandary, because the theoreticians who directly or indirectly served the interests of the despotic rulers, have presented "the obedience to ruler" (even if he is an usurper, a rogue or a ruffian) as a fundamental of religion (known as the theory of ghlu and ghalba-violence and conquest) by misinterpreting this verse. Such theoreticians are their Imams.

[UniversalFortress]

There is no way leading to emancipation from terror and exploitation if this theory is not rightly rejected once and for all. It is not possible unless the sincere Muslims submit to the teachings of the Ahl ul Bayt.

[oseanic1980]

Sunni and Shi'a in the Philippines still at peace keep it up people.

[abinalpa]

It has been proven conclusively from the Qur'an that every sect / way / persuasion / religion has been called shi'a by Allah s.w.t. and its plural sects / ways / persuasions / religions were called shiy'an.

Is it our fault that the favorite companions of the sunni brothers were not called shj'atu 'Ali, on him be peace, the way abu dhar, miqdad, bilal, salman, ammar. and others were addressed by the prophet, peace be upon him amd his family, as shi'atu 'Ali / Ahl al Bayt?

[bakhtash]

Narrated 'Ata' bin Yazid Al-Laithi:

....Allah will come to them and say, 'I am your Lord.' They will (deny Him and) say, 'We will stay here till our Lord comes, for when our Lord comes, we will recognize Him.' So Allah will come to them in His appearance which they know, and will say, 'I am your Lord.' They will say, 'You are our Lord,' so they will follow Him.....

(Sahih Bukhari Volume 9, Book 93, Number 532c)

[hannalley]

I am wondering why Shia in the Philippines doesnt perform Self-flagellation, in which Shiites in other countries doing every Ashoura. Maybe they are shy to the Christians also doing Self-flagellation. I guess they are the same victims of the Jews... hahahaha!

[twelversessence]

because it's not our tradition!

[twelversessence]

because it's not our tradition!

[bakhtash]

please brother/sister, do not be fooled and manipulated as the kuffar are:)

The way kuffar lie and manipulate about Muslims and Islam, Sunnites lie and manipulate about Shi3ites and ithna

3ashariyyah Islam!

Please realise that the minimal minority of fools who commit self-flaggelation/ mutilation/whatever, they are like the terrorists who jump into busses with innocent people in them to explode, do you believe in terrorism?

Well, neither do we believe in cutting ourselves:)

[hannalley]

Your Books found only the Greatness and Tributes to your 12 Imams and the rest of your Imams like Khomieni, Khoie, Baqer, Kulaini and others. It doesnt contradict the Quran? I guess you are using again your Taqqiyyah...

[bakhtash]

Please enjoy your ramadhaan first and wait with spreading hatred til after shahr ramadhaan, hadha shahr-Allah fataqallah, wataqallah wa qul 'la ilaha illa Allah wa7dahu la shareeka la!'

Please, for the sake of Allah

[A09109444666]

to all sunni -muslims! you r the one who really need to re-check your doctrine and ahadith!!! it's filled of lies and faretales!!! shia muslim you are the true followers of THE ORIGINAL ISLAM!!! LONG LIVE ISLAM!!!

[hannalley]

Review your Books: Usol Al-Kafi, Al-Kafi, Bihar Al anwar, Tafseer al-Burhaan and Tafseer al-Ayyashi you will find an advantage topic for you against us Sunni. What a Dirty Books i ever read in this world....

[bakhtash]

please review your books of saheeheen, bukhari and muslim that is an realise the kufr in them as well, you see, while it took us fools up 1400 years to realise that ahadeeth (sources of tradition) that go against Qur2an are not to be accepted, you fools have yet to realise this:)

[bakhtash]

Narrated Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri:

....Then Allah will come to them in a shape other than the one which they saw the first time, and He will say, 'I am your Lord,' and they will say, 'You are not our Lord.' And none will speak to Him then but the Prophets, and then it will be said to them, 'Do you know any sign by which you can recognize Him?' They will say. 'The Shin,' and so Allah will then uncover His Shin..........

(Sahih Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 93, Number 532)

[hannalley]

shia muslim you are the true followers of THE ORIGINAL ISLAM!!! You are following the doctrine of Abdullah ibn Saba.

[bakhtash]

But my dear, 3abd'illah ibn Saba is accused of claiming "la ilaha illa 3ali" while we (shi3ites) claim "la ilaha illa allah" then how can you accuse us of being his followers?

Please gather yourself and realise that you are doing this against Allah, never accuse a person about anything if innocent of it, specially regarding kufr/shirk/bid3at/lies.

I am giving you advise for your own sake.

Taqiyyah is something your own doctrines teach about, we do believe in Taqiyyah but not like that.

[A09109444666]

hannalley

 you are nonsense..........

[A09109444666]

hannalley you are nonsense..........

[726426]

Assalamu Alaikom...

All Muslims Shia Brother & Sister... please... read your doctrine AL-KAFI then compare it to Sunni Doctrine...

[twelversessence]

brothers in Islam,

the book of Al-Kafe

firstly ,

we should always remember that this Is NEITHER directly the word of ALLAH-Almighty NOR of the Holy Prophet of Islam that should be perfected ? like other hadiths.

it was ONLY ATTRIBUTED to the HOLY PROPHET and to his (Ah Al-bayt ) as.

it 's narrated by many different people by their time .

[twelversessence]

CONT.

and BECAUSE OF THEIR STRONG BELIEF& LOVE TO THE IMAMS,

by the changes of generations to another, later writers & narrators become more fanatic and EXAGERATEd! by glorifyings their imams!

"ONLY ALLAH Ta'ala IS THE ALL KNOWER!" HE ALONE WHO CAN CONTROLS EVERYTHINGS! any HADITHS DOES CONTRADICTS THE HOLY QUR'AN IS INVALID!

[hannalley]

Mosty hadith found more contradiction to Quran is your Al-Kafi and other books of Shia. Because Quran contents the Greatness of Allah, his Oneness, His attributes, His Majesty, and etc. if read Shia Books you will find more contradictions to the Quran than our Sunni Books... LOL!

[twelversessence]

brother what do you mean ? by saying " if read Shia Books you will find more contradictions to the Quran than our Sunni Books... LOL!

 i thought your hadiths are all sahih?

not contradicting the holy Qur'an? what is sahih means anyway? salam.