So what is a super injunction ??, is that not a law that is only available to the rich, this i would see as a different type of law. What about the government giving our self governance over to Europe without the consent of the people, is this not above the law of the land and therefor Treason. If the English law is so all powerful and good, why then does it sit by as this nations is given away without been conquered by a foreign force
@eyeswideopennimrod Hello, which country do you live in? Does your operate the Civil legal system or the common law system? UK is governed by the Common law system. I do not believe that English law is, as you say "All powerful and good", it has pros and cons. But in my opinion, it is the most fairest and just as it has many checks and balances and there is a separation of powers. UK does not have jurisdiction on to any other independent countries.
@eyeswideopennimrod - If your country is independent, and it does not ask for foreign advise or assistence, then your country and its rulers, are free to do as it wishes.... UK has no say in other peoples matters.
Its like me going to your house and telling you how to clean your room. I cant do that...its not my house.
Also there are 3 international laws in relation to claiming a nation. 1) by battle 2) Cession - the country gave away its sovereignty to another nation 3) terra nullis
@sparkaleshish The lisbon treaty has given our self governance over to the EU parliment, so now we must abide by rulings from the EU and from our own parliment. I did not say english law is all powerful and good, i was asking IF it is all powerful and good, why then are they allowing this to happen, this indicates either they havn't the power to stop it or they arnt good by allowing it to happen.
@eyeswideopennimrod - it is all "powerful" and "good" within its OWN jurisdiction. Of course English law has no power in your country. Different law, different jurisdiction. Your country is independent from UK. UK is not meant to have power over your country. Just because you are not happy with your government, why impose 'blame' on some different government? Doesnt make sense. Rulings under your OWN parliament and EU parliament? Whats wrong with that? Checks and balances!
@sparkaleshish I am English, and the checks and balance's have gone since the EU has been given all the authority from our government. We the people give our authority to a group chosen by voting to run the affairs of our nation for a period of 4 years, then that authority is given back to us so we can vote a new government in, but each time they give back less than they received. It is like lending your bike to someone, but when it comes back there are bits missing, not right. Treason
@alique087 - people are ruled by laws likewise laws are ruled by people. its what they call checks and balances. when laws isnt working properly at the moment thats the time people rule the law.
History has proven that no government can be trusted.
A government must be heavily restrained by a very strong and binding constitution.
When the law of the land is no longer enforced against the government, and the constitution is effectively nullified, well, you can see the result in America!
The people here seem to misunderstand the concept. Of course laws can't enforce themselves. The point is that those who govern are expected to hold to some established principle in their governance. In the U.S., for instance, a warrant is required to make an arrest. In spite of the powers vested in our law enforcement officers they must still abide by a set of rules made known to everyone. In history this is very rare.
@1000101er - thank you! Spot on! The common law is common to every one. The sames rules apply to everyone, even the law makers and those to enforce the law. And like 1000101er said, there are even laws about how laws are applied.
Men draft laws and men enforce them. Laws don't exist in reality, only men do. Laws are just ideas of regulation created by men. People are never ruled by laws, they are ruled by men.
through to a certain degree. but the rule of law was created to emphasize that the rule of man never lasts and will eventually end. by adhering to the rule of law, man acknowledges this fact
@lordjealousisthinker. Proof? look at the history of the Magna Cater, King John, William and Mary of Orange - The Glorious Revolution of 1688. The rule of law is a principal born from many year of blood shed and civil unrest in the 16-18th Centuries in Great Britain.
Actually in America religion is not held under the rule of law. CONGRESS can't make any laws relative to religion. He is right that special folks are above the law but that's because we keep electing the same R's & D's expecting different results. WE THE PEOPLE HAVE FAILED TO DO OUR JOB.
I wonder if Scholastic philosophy contributed to the development of the rule of law. Scholastics seriously questioned God's omnipotence: Not even He is above laws of logic. If some (logic) laws are above God (the most supreme entity), obviously a rule of wordly law can be above every mortal.
An interesting line of thought, which seems plausible. I know too little of this. It is not, as I recall, much developed by older historians of law such as Maitland, but was probably a background factor, as with science. Alan
@avapplication - which country are you from? The doctrine/ principal of the Rule of Law came from 16th-18th English History. Also the Magna Cater is an important document signed by King John in those earlier centuries. Legal philosophers Blackstone, A.V. Dicey, Baron De Monstique, very well may have all written about this concepts in their writings. Also, your countries national constitution may imply the 'rule of law'.
So what is a super injunction ??, is that not a law that is only available to the rich, this i would see as a different type of law. What about the government giving our self governance over to Europe without the consent of the people, is this not above the law of the land and therefor Treason. If the English law is so all powerful and good, why then does it sit by as this nations is given away without been conquered by a foreign force
eyeswideopennimrod 9 months ago
@eyeswideopennimrod Hello, which country do you live in? Does your operate the Civil legal system or the common law system? UK is governed by the Common law system. I do not believe that English law is, as you say "All powerful and good", it has pros and cons. But in my opinion, it is the most fairest and just as it has many checks and balances and there is a separation of powers. UK does not have jurisdiction on to any other independent countries.
sparkaleshish 7 months ago
@eyeswideopennimrod - If your country is independent, and it does not ask for foreign advise or assistence, then your country and its rulers, are free to do as it wishes.... UK has no say in other peoples matters.
Its like me going to your house and telling you how to clean your room. I cant do that...its not my house.
Also there are 3 international laws in relation to claiming a nation. 1) by battle 2) Cession - the country gave away its sovereignty to another nation 3) terra nullis
sparkaleshish 7 months ago
@sparkaleshish The lisbon treaty has given our self governance over to the EU parliment, so now we must abide by rulings from the EU and from our own parliment. I did not say english law is all powerful and good, i was asking IF it is all powerful and good, why then are they allowing this to happen, this indicates either they havn't the power to stop it or they arnt good by allowing it to happen.
eyeswideopennimrod 7 months ago
@eyeswideopennimrod - it is all "powerful" and "good" within its OWN jurisdiction. Of course English law has no power in your country. Different law, different jurisdiction. Your country is independent from UK. UK is not meant to have power over your country. Just because you are not happy with your government, why impose 'blame' on some different government? Doesnt make sense. Rulings under your OWN parliament and EU parliament? Whats wrong with that? Checks and balances!
sparkaleshish 7 months ago
@sparkaleshish I am English, and the checks and balance's have gone since the EU has been given all the authority from our government. We the people give our authority to a group chosen by voting to run the affairs of our nation for a period of 4 years, then that authority is given back to us so we can vote a new government in, but each time they give back less than they received. It is like lending your bike to someone, but when it comes back there are bits missing, not right. Treason
eyeswideopennimrod 7 months ago
@alique087 - people are ruled by laws likewise laws are ruled by people. its what they call checks and balances. when laws isnt working properly at the moment thats the time people rule the law.
berbzSipag 11 months ago
“The rule of law is better than that of any individual” - Aristotle
Metamorphisize 1 year ago
Cops don't ask/request, they demand/command.
IconsOfTeleplay 1 year ago
@IconsOfTeleplay - maybe the people they deal with are not cooperative
sparkaleshish 7 months ago
@sparkaleshish : A request doesn't entail violence as a request is voluntary.
IconsOfTeleplay 7 months ago
Who knows what justice is...?
Since no one knows what justice is, who can give justice to anyone?
First, know what justice is, then someone can give you justice.
Does anyone know the perfect law of liberty..?
jjrd 1 year ago
Fuck the law. I am the law!!!
MrElucidate 1 year ago 2
Berlusconi is above the law -.-
ElTresDeMayo1808 1 year ago
History has proven that no government can be trusted.
A government must be heavily restrained by a very strong and binding constitution.
When the law of the land is no longer enforced against the government, and the constitution is effectively nullified, well, you can see the result in America!
CelticSouthland 1 year ago
The people here seem to misunderstand the concept. Of course laws can't enforce themselves. The point is that those who govern are expected to hold to some established principle in their governance. In the U.S., for instance, a warrant is required to make an arrest. In spite of the powers vested in our law enforcement officers they must still abide by a set of rules made known to everyone. In history this is very rare.
1000101er 2 years ago 2
@1000101er - thank you! Spot on! The common law is common to every one. The sames rules apply to everyone, even the law makers and those to enforce the law. And like 1000101er said, there are even laws about how laws are applied.
sparkaleshish 7 months ago
Men draft laws and men enforce them. Laws don't exist in reality, only men do. Laws are just ideas of regulation created by men. People are never ruled by laws, they are ruled by men.
alique087 2 years ago
true
lordjealousisthinker 2 years ago
@alique087
through to a certain degree. but the rule of law was created to emphasize that the rule of man never lasts and will eventually end. by adhering to the rule of law, man acknowledges this fact
conbhui 1 year ago
@alique087 Yes, but look at Natural Law Theory.
What is right and wrong? What is good and bad?
Is it right for a reasonable man to murder an innocent child?
Should there be some sort of punishment for that action?
Could that man recommit? And if he does, whose responsibility is that?
Men draft and enforce laws, because men NEED laws. We need laws because we do not live in a just, civil, fair, idealistic world.
Law is an imperfect system. But we NEED it. The common law system is the BEST
sparkaleshish 7 months ago
what is your prove?
lordjealousisthinker 3 years ago
@lordjealousisthinker. Proof? look at the history of the Magna Cater, King John, William and Mary of Orange - The Glorious Revolution of 1688. The rule of law is a principal born from many year of blood shed and civil unrest in the 16-18th Centuries in Great Britain.
sparkaleshish 7 months ago
Actually in America religion is not held under the rule of law. CONGRESS can't make any laws relative to religion. He is right that special folks are above the law but that's because we keep electing the same R's & D's expecting different results. WE THE PEOPLE HAVE FAILED TO DO OUR JOB.
concerned00citizen 3 years ago
I wonder if Scholastic philosophy contributed to the development of the rule of law. Scholastics seriously questioned God's omnipotence: Not even He is above laws of logic. If some (logic) laws are above God (the most supreme entity), obviously a rule of wordly law can be above every mortal.
lauragabriel 5 years ago
An interesting line of thought, which seems plausible. I know too little of this. It is not, as I recall, much developed by older historians of law such as Maitland, but was probably a background factor, as with science. Alan
ayabaya 5 years ago
ayabaya
The Queen Under the laws?why are you called subject(NOT Citizen) of her majesty then for?
lordjealousisthinker 3 years ago
I am researching this sort of thing. What document states we are subject? Thanks
avapplication 2 years ago
@avapplication - which country are you from? The doctrine/ principal of the Rule of Law came from 16th-18th English History. Also the Magna Cater is an important document signed by King John in those earlier centuries. Legal philosophers Blackstone, A.V. Dicey, Baron De Monstique, very well may have all written about this concepts in their writings. Also, your countries national constitution may imply the 'rule of law'.
sparkaleshish 7 months ago