I don't see what her point is. If they are butchering these children or having late term abortions where the child dies, why does she care? She's a terrible speaker. She calls it an "operation" rather than just say abortion. She said she lost a baby? Well that was her choice. Why is she going after him?
@ilovenarwhales Wow you people are so ignorant. She had to have an abortion to save her life, otherwise both her and the baby would have died. So no, it wasn't "her choice", it was the only choice she had. It's so upsetting to see how stupid the general population is...........
@RustyPancreas She can have her emotional issues, but she is, overall, a supporter of the process which was mentioned earlier. She's pro-choice, whether it's for unwanted pregnancies or wanted pregnancies. So whether or not it's necessary or it's optional, she's still in favor of butchering these very young fetuses.
@ilovenarwhales. You don't support life-saving abortions? So if your options are: 1) both you and your baby die, or 2) the baby dies and you live, you would choose the first option? You, sir, are a fucking retard.
@RustyPancreas Insults only deter your remarks. I have no need for them for my arguments.
I never said I was opposed to "life-saving abortions". But follow her mandate. She used her case of emotions (we obviously felt sorry for her) to push an agenda that includes life-saving and convenient abortions. It's like saying "We should give $1000 to people make $12,000 a year and $1000 to people making $50,000 a year."
So, in conclusion, I think abortions that save lives should be legal.
@RustyPancreas But on the other hand, let's say that the woman didn't want the child. And for whatever reason, she fails to practice protected sex, fails to use contraceptions, fails to terminate the fetus at an early stage and now, when the fetus is at a point where it can be viable, she decides to have it aborted. Now despite all of her careless efforts (60%, I believe, say they didn't know they were pregnant), you would allow it to be killed? Is that the same thing to you?
@RustyPancreas In all, I really have nothing more to say to you. You put words in my mouth, calling me an antagonistic of woman's rights and through simple rhetoric made me appear as a narrow-minded alpha male that has no proper view of women before calling me a "fucking retard". It is just simple diction to make me appear as an extreme opposition to feminism (killing a woman for procreation) and an absent minded drone for a political mandate. You fail to communicate logically and effectively.
@DejaPoo909 talk about the "dark ages"....even the most ignorant of those who lived through the dark ages likely knew the difference between a developing human life and a tumor. Unfortunately, you apparently don't.
Abortion is performed not for the sake of killing a fetus. It's performed for health problems with the baby or the mother, or for women who have been raped, or for women who are too young or don't have a stable enough lifestyle for a child. No one wants to have an abortion, but EVERY WOMAN WANTS THE CHOICE. WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF YOU HAD A BABY WHO WAS GOING TO BE A STILL BIRTH? NO ONE NEEDS THE KIND OF PAIN OF DELIVERING A DEAD CHILD.
@RustyPancreas in actuality, there is more of a chance that a pregnant woman will win a lottery than she'll need to have an abortion to save her life. Yet another myth propagated by the pro-borts.
@debunker300 That fact is just wrong, please don't comment on something that you don't understand. Ectopic pregnancies occur quite frequently. Go Wikipedia that now and respond like you know what you're talking about.
......continued again....Also a fetus is not a person it is not like you of me they they do not have the wiring to be aware of their surroundings it can be killed in a sense but then again so can every other cell in the body,a fetus is no more alive than any organ. over 90% of abortions happen before the first trimester when it is smaller than a olive more cells can be lost in a nosebleed for God's sake! than an early medical abortion. an abortion is nothing like killing an actual born baby.
.....continued.....over what happens to her body, the woman is the living breathing person not the fetus & she has every right to protect herself from any danger pregnancy might pose to her health & life,to think otherwise is just plain mysogenystic women are not just some object to supply men with offspring we are our own person too, but you could never ever understand that, for you it is easier to anti-choice when it is not your body up for discussion.
@freewilllover Of course it human I am not distputing that it was made by humans
it is not going to be something like a fish is it!?but is it yet an actual
living breathing person the answer is NO & last time I checked the definition of
abortion had nothing to do with murder so it cannot be murder,thats why call it abortion because it is the aborting/removing something thats under developed/a potential child, .........................................................................^
I feel embarrassed for his wife(if her has one),I can't imagine the control her has over the poor woman. Women deserve to do as they please with their bodies it's her choice and her's only a woman's body does not belong to anyone but her.Men DO NOT and CANNOT ever understand what it would be like to carry and give birth. so they should get no say in this issue whatoever. women are their own person they should not be made to feel or treated like breading cattle by selfish idiotic controling men!.
Why do these men think they should have any say over what a woman does with her body and the decisions she makes in life, it does not effect them in any way, butt the fuck out of other peoples' lives.
Dont beg for rights of the unborn when your healthcare policies result in over 10,000 deaths annually from preventable diseases that the poor can not afford,and your policy on stem cell research prevents millions who are already here from being saved,and having a chance.
@freewilllover A fetus is not a child! there is such a big difference between the two it is a potential child yes but a child as yet NO the same goes for every sperm or egg ,the fetus it is alive in a sense yes,all cells are living but a fetus is no more alive than an organ,
The woman is the living breathing one it is HER BODY she has every right to protect herself from any mental health issues, pain, illnesses,or potential death pregnancy might cause her.
@Idontlikedogs1010 Actually the fetus has the complete genetic structure of a human making it a human being where sperms do not, lungs aren`t seperate lifeforms with their own unique genetic structure!!!!
You guys always add "Rape" this "rape" that. i agree they've been raped and that is not their fault. but that doesnt give them the right to murder these childeren. and 1% of all abortion is caused by rape. so what about the other 99% ? either way you are killing babies. what if the baby you killed was the next doctor to find the cure for cancer? The origin of your source is ignorant. Murder is murder. that's it
@LpxMusic We don`t neglect there rights they have no rights in this matter, a wqomen i responsible for the child and she doesn`t have the right to be irresponsible, no parent can be irresponsible!
@Idontlikedogs1010 You aknodge it is human, oke it just isn`t breathing, well what does that matter and it is dependent what does that matter, it still is a humaan and therefore abortion is murder!!!
@freewilllover they were irresponsible to have gotten that baby when they couldnt support it in the first place, dealing with that problem is not irresponsible, having the child and bringing it into horrible lifestyle IS
@freewilllover Its a choice you have no right making for someone else, if you dont want to have an abortion ,good, thats your choice, but what if you didnt have the option to keep the child, and were forced to abort it?
The united states is all about freedom and choice, that includes what you want to do with YOUR OWN body.
A persons own conscience dictates their decisions, yours doesnt.
@LpxMusic I understand and respect the idea that abortion can save a mother from direct harm to her life. I understand the pain and agony that goes into deciding whether to have an abortion or not. But the fact remains that 47% of all abortions are performed on women who have had at least one previous abortion, and 1% of all abortions occur because of rape or incest and...
6% of abortions occur because of potential health problems regarding either the mother or child. Abortion is no longer a question of health or safety, it's a question of social/economic strain, and that should not be a consideration of the life of a child.
@mrmartinconte childbirth has a much higher health risk she could suffer from fistulas, prolapsed wombs, haemorrhages, or disability even premature death! not to mention the higher risks of mental health illnesses she may suffer from, pregnacy & birth is a much higher risk than abortion, What are you saying a woman should play roulette with her life and own health for the sake of something she never wanted in the first place?
@mrmartinconte ....continued... you say " life of a child" a fetus is NOT a child a potental child yes but not yet a child, it is not a child until it can live outside the uterus unaided by it's mother, also to be a child, it must have a cerebral cortex. as a fetus it does not.
@Idontlikedogs1010 According to who? Who decides when a child is a fetus and not a child? Our scientists? Our doctors? No, that is not something we will ever be able to determine by the mere means that mankind possesses, and whether or not it is actually a child is not a chance I'm willing to make. Of course pregnancy comes with high risk, but with abortion, the risk to the fetus is not even considered. It is death.
@mrmartinconte Yes your right the scientists, who have dedicated many many years with hard work & effort studying fetal development,& yes I believe in science science it has brought us cures for infections and treatments for diseases & made life better for mankind, but who decides whether to carry the potential child at the end of the day it is down to the mother you cannot force any woman to carry a pregnancy against her wishes a woman should have total control & freedom..............
@mrmartinconte I never brought up the arguement of rape or incest, im just saying that you have no right to make a decision for a woman over what she does with her body, everyone has a choice, If you would choose to keep your child, good on you, give her the choice that you had though.
@freewilllover IF you believe rights for what a women can do with her body should be restricted, and her freedom taken away, I advise you to follow your own course of logic and SHUT THE FUCK UP.
IF you restrict other peoples freedoms, it would only be hypocritical to keep using yours.
@LpxMusic My talking doesn`t kill an unborn child am I wrong does my talking kill someone?? The womens freedom should be restricted to protect the rights of the child the rights of one stop where another starts, I am not harming anyone espicially not my own child, what made you think the freedom of speech and too kill are equal??
@freewilllover They are both "rights" fuck nuts, right to free speech, right to do what you want with your own body. they are called "rights" because nobody can take them away from you, if you believe you have the power to restrict rights of others then it would only be hypocritical to keep using yours, as i previously stated.
one day you might be put in a certain situation and see what it means to have to endure an abortion, its not an emotionless proccess, stop acting like it is.
People focus on the wrong area of this is issue, you focus on the death rather than the implications of the childs births. abortion is nothing compared to actual born babies dumped in trash cans or trash shutes (it does happen). Many of these are UNWANTED therefore are brought up in broken homes, mistreated, abused, and many end up in a life of crime. What's worse, abortion while still in amothers belly, something no one can remember, or an entire life of struggle?
@crueltykiller Some babies are born missing pieces of their brains and will never do more in life that breathe and eat. Are they not persons? What makes a 3rd trimester baby different than a second or first trimester? There are already brainwaves before then and the baby is capable of deciding to move, make facial expressions, and feel pain.
@crueltykiller First, forgive the extremely delayed response. College just gave me a boot to the face. Figuratively speaking, of course. Moving on... Define MIND. Are you speaking in terms of brain waves? Those are recorded far earlier than the third trimester.
@pocacasper errr. uumm, err, um, considering , using your percentage that's still 20, 550 abortions a year in the united states alone, considering it's not 1.5 but more like 10 percent after 2nd trimester so that's around 137, 000 abortions annually. OHHH but that's rare right
@crueltykiller ummm, the problem with human vs person. Is that if you only define things by persons, infanticide is permissible as well. just food for thought
If the unborn are not human, no justification for elective abortion is necessary. If the unborn are human, no justification for elective abortion is adequate.
If the unborn are not human, no justification for elective abortion is necessary. If the unborn are human, no justification for elective abortion is adequate.
@crueltykiller I have a question. The women's right to chose... what is it that they are choosing? Is it not the choice of whether or not to kill an innocent human baby? Correct me if I'm mistaken, but I do believe that's called murder.
ok so I'm going to assume she meant the baby moved from the uterus to the cervix because I can't comprehend it moving from the vagina (near the opening of her parts) upwards to the cervix. using this little anatomy 101 session I'd like to point out how clearly uneducated she is even about her own procedure. Granted she was probably acting on emotion and got it all confused.. understandable.
@courtbian89 What I don't understand is if she is claiming to address a procedure done when there is zero chance for survival for the baby or herself. This scenario is not targeted in pro-life causes! Smith is arguing against the currently lawful choice to abort. Really her retaliation, although emotional and demands compassion is completely unrelated to what he is saying.
It's better for the baby to have a chance to live and die, than to kill that baby... I was given a chance, who is to say that all of us have a chance, if killing a baby, is killing that chance, we are all created equal, I was learning and hearing in my moms whom, I don't remember, but I felt the feelings, I saw darkness, and wanted to get out, thankfuly I did. And I still remember to this day, 18 years of given oppprtunity.
As much as I hate the idea of abortion I think it's time for the antiabortion side to admit defeat. We lost this battle in 1973, abortion is the law of the land and that will probably never change.
@Hartatttack420 ummm, actually no. abortion is literally not murder. as so many confused people do, you are mistaking what you want to be true for what is true. in the usa, abortion is not murder. you saying it doesn't change that fact. you might as well say that planting corn is murder too.
She admits her child died. That is what abortion does. Perhaps if the millions of babies weren't aborted there would be more tax payers. And would have been for decades.
@oceangirly ummm, if there were more "taxpayers" there would also be more people that needed public assistance. and abortion ends a pregnancy. that's what it does. that is the intent. a completely unconscious, non-sentient form of human life stops developing (or "dies") as a result. that isn't the object of abortion. no one wants to kill anything. if that was the point we would be running around promoting the killing of BORN children, and hell, why not adults? anti-choicers kill doctors.
@oceangirly92 and more costs too! your logic makes ZERO sense. we would have overpopulation issues and more people to take care of and feed, etc. worst anti-abortion argument i've ever heard.
Her pregnancy /baby was viable, a baby at 17 weeks is not usually viable and her life is more important. She didn't want to have a DNC, she had too, that's why she was upset at that idiot. If u don't like abortion, don't have one!
@fasfsdfasd don't take it so literally. the bottom line is that it'll always be the mother's choice. you can think it's wrong and terrible and murder but that doesn't mean shit because it's not up to you. (not you in particular, but the pro-life supporters as a whole).
@sarahedithobear So if a mother was to kill her new born baby would that be ok? Would you say it's the mothers choice to kill her baby? Don't be ridiculous! Just because the baby is inside the mothers belly does not make the baby any less important. Abortion is sick and evil. God will repay the evil people have done. In the end justice will be done.
@SoldierOfChrist110 ooooooh my god. it absolutely, 100%, does NOT matter what anyone thinks at this point because as of right now it's the mother's choice. maybe it is wrong and sick and evil. but right now, the law doesn't care because it says otherwise. take your righteous attitude elsewhere because i'm a non-religious 18 year old girl with no plans of ever having an abortion unless having the child proves a peril threat to my own life. so stop with the holy godsend speeches, please.
@sarahedithobear But God will punish evil in the judgment day. Just because you choose not to believe won't change reality. If you want to take a gamble with your eternity then go ahead, but I wouldn't recommend it.
@SoldierOfChrist110 stop pretending to know anything about eternity you probably don't even know .0000000001% of things there are to know in this life.
@fasfsdfasd clearly didn't read everything i said. settle down pro-life nazis. i'm not saying that abortion isn't an awful thing. it really is cruel and unfair. but it has to be one of those things that we keep around for the sake of the "rare at best" scenarios.
that said: there definitely are some women who abuse the right to have an abortion if they so choose. but you can't rule out the rights of women who truly deserve them just because some people truly don't. i'm a contributing member of society and i honestly believe that if i want to end the life of something that barely even has a life at all, in order to keep myself safe and well, then im going to do it.
okay - i don't believe that a fetus, a little ball of flesh and blood, has rights. of course it deserves to live and of course it's horrible to have an abortion because you're never giving it a chance. but by not giving that fleshy, barely living fetus a chance, the mother is getting a second opportunity at her own life. in most cases the mother is a functioning, contributing part of society whose rights are much, much more earned and deserve more respect.
You didn't "lose" your baby, you KILLED your baby, Madam Congresswoman whether you thought it was a "welcomed" experience or not. The fact is, your baby is no longer with you because of your own CHOICE. You had your own child killed.
And she won this debate why? Because she felt bad about him detailing the abortion she had? Oh well, get over it that's what takes place when you get an abortion. Lets all shed a tear because she feels bad about killing her baby!
52,008,665 abortions have been conducted since 1973 in the United States. On the basis that the fetus is not a "Living Human". What is the difference between the fetus, and a traumatically injured person whom is rendered unable to use his the majority of his brain and remains on life support? One's protected by law as a human, the other isn't. Yet there are no differences other than the location. ?
Blah, blah, blah! Whatever. I will continue to be a man-whore and not have kids. I really don't care if it's killing a child or not, to me it's just a trip to the doc. I actually have real issue in life to deal with and perhaps you should too instead of poking your nose into others business!
Abortions are really no big deal and I can't believe how many morons actually waste the energy to protest or make a big deal about them. Who really cares? We have FAR too many kids anyway. If not for abortions, I would have kids all over the country from when I was in a band. I banged everything that walked. Abortions are a great form of birth control!
@arthurkitchen Abortion is not a 'form of birth control'. Abortion is killing a child. An unborn child. It's still a child. Whomever made the stupid decision, should deal with the consequences. And if you get raped, well, it still doesn't give anyone the right to kill a child.
And if you don't want a baby, shit, give it up for adoption. Make someone else happy. Make the child happy.
They have as much of a right to live as you do. YOU could've been aborted, but someone chose to give YOU life.
Right on, Jackie Speier! That is EXACTLY what I have been wondering these last few weeks, as I listen to countless Republican men try to rip away the rights of American women, instead of working on fixing our economy. What dos this have to do with any of the problems facing Americans right now?
And why the sudden push to outlaw abortion? What do these men know about anything? It's sickening. It's absurd.
Stay out of my body, Republicans. You are not wanted here.
abortion is murder.once that baby has a beating heart, it is a living being. its simple really, dont be whore, or be prepared to deal with the consequences of your actions.dont punish the unborn child for a mistake the irresponsible mother made.there are cases, like when a baby has a defect that would harm the mother or the baby if it was born, when it is necessary for the health of them both to not give birth.but not just b/c some stupid, skanky girl doesnt want to have to be a mom yet
@fatwhaleslovecookies I hope, if you'll ever unlucky enough to experience a car crash, you take your own advice and don't waste the time of other sick people in need by calling the ambulance for help and instead, you know, deal with the consequences of driving.
@theanswerisowl that's a stupid comment. a car crash is not something you choose. having sex is a choice. just say no. but if you say yes and get pregnant and dont want the baby, there's always adoption. there are thousands of men and women out there incapable of having children that wish they could. give your healthy baby to those people instead of brutally killing it.
@fatwhaleslovecookies Adoption is unfortunately not an alternative to being pregnant. Are you in favor of the idea to lend your organs to people who need it (and would you demand that people who don't want it, should have to endure this procedure against their will?)
Oh nevermind, I just saw your latest comment a la "Only filthy whores have sex" yadda yadda yadaa.
The funny thing is, apart from your slut-shaming, the rest of it makes you pretty much pro-choice.
@fatwhaleslovecookies And I think the driving comparison is actually quite accurate. If you're driving, you don't atomatically choose to have an accident, if you're having sex, you don't automatically choose to become pregnant. In either case, the dangers are known, but there is no way to be 100% safe all the time. Accidents happen.
@theanswerisowl IF that comparison were accurate, you aren't choosing to kill another human in an accidental car crash. having an abortion means you choose to kill an innocent soul. its just wrong
@fatwhaleslovecookies That is right. You're choosing to drive. Everything that goes wrong is the accident and beyond your control. The same goes for sex and I think we both agree on never being able to be in control 100%.
So...that's the situation. I guess you wouldn't say to a car crash victim that s/he could have known what s/he was getting into when deciding to enter a car. Why not extend this compassion to people who find themselves pregnant?
@fatwhaleslovecookies In addition to that, I'm having a hard time to believe your concerns for the fetus. Maybe they're genuine, but I'm not convinced because of all the slut-shaming you've used before. It seems to me, this is not so much about fetuses and more about sexuality, especially female sexuality.
@fatwhaleslovecookies That's a very narrow minded opinion. Why would you say that all women with unwanted pregnancies are "stupid" and "skanky?" Contraception fails sometimes, people make mistakes. Deeming all women that get accidentally pregnant as stupid is just wrong. It's like saying that all fat people are disgusting lazy slobs. I would argue that most people are just uneducated - especially the young ones - about consequences, and we can blame our stupid educational system for that.
@SuperDupe180 i understand your point. i dont think that ALL women with unwanted pregnancies are stupid, although they are all irresponsible. but most times, it's because the girl and guy were acting stupid. if you have sex and are old enough to get pregnant, you are aware of the consequences. i just think its horrible to take the life of someone because their parents were being irresponsible
@fatwhaleslovecookies You're right, that irresponsible people get pregnant all the time, but irresponsible people don't always equal responsible parents. There are as many reasons for abortion as there are women who choose to have them, it all comes down to individual choice. You're definitely doing the right thing by being careful, there are worse things to catch than pregnant! (Individual opinion, again). Condoms can break, accidents happen to responsible people, too.
this is what's wrong with the conservative viewpoint on abortion. you're saying that nobody is allowed to do this. however the liberal viewpoint expresses that you can do this IF YOU WANT. nobody's making YOU get an abortion. if i get raped, i refuse to have the child of a rapist. let alone a child that i am 100% not ready to take care of. if you're so against it, just don't be a part of it. why do you have to rip away the freedom and rights of other people?
@sarahedithobear the abortion debate consists because of the argument that by allowing people to have an abortion you aren't protecting the "rights" of the fetus..(the right to live) now whether that fetus is considered human or not is under great speculation and comes down to personal viewpoints.
@sarahedithobear I see the point you are making, but let's use that argument with something that is pretty much universally immoral such as the murdering of toddlers. Should parents be allowed to kill their toddler if they realize they do not have the means to take care of it? Very few would argue that the toddler is not a human and therefore does not possess the right to live. The real issue of abortion is whether or not an unborn child is a human with rights of its own.
i thought america was about choice and freedom. but it's been made clear to me that my own fellow americans disagree, and insist that i shouldn't have freedom. also, i would like to ask why many of the people who are pro-life are also for the death penalty? in my opinion, killing a fully developed human being is worse than killing a 1/2 alive, 1/2 formed fetus. land of the free? lately, it doesn't look that way.
You LOST a baby!? You had your baby KILLED and torn apart in your womb! You should have knots in your stomach after hearing him describe what happens in the procedure- IT'S WHAT YOU DID TO YOUR CHILD!
I don't see what her point is. If they are butchering these children or having late term abortions where the child dies, why does she care? She's a terrible speaker. She calls it an "operation" rather than just say abortion. She said she lost a baby? Well that was her choice. Why is she going after him?
ilovenarwhales 1 week ago
@ilovenarwhales Wow you people are so ignorant. She had to have an abortion to save her life, otherwise both her and the baby would have died. So no, it wasn't "her choice", it was the only choice she had. It's so upsetting to see how stupid the general population is...........
RustyPancreas 4 days ago
@RustyPancreas She can have her emotional issues, but she is, overall, a supporter of the process which was mentioned earlier. She's pro-choice, whether it's for unwanted pregnancies or wanted pregnancies. So whether or not it's necessary or it's optional, she's still in favor of butchering these very young fetuses.
ilovenarwhales 3 days ago
@ilovenarwhales. You don't support life-saving abortions? So if your options are: 1) both you and your baby die, or 2) the baby dies and you live, you would choose the first option? You, sir, are a fucking retard.
RustyPancreas 3 days ago
@RustyPancreas Insults only deter your remarks. I have no need for them for my arguments.
I never said I was opposed to "life-saving abortions". But follow her mandate. She used her case of emotions (we obviously felt sorry for her) to push an agenda that includes life-saving and convenient abortions. It's like saying "We should give $1000 to people make $12,000 a year and $1000 to people making $50,000 a year."
So, in conclusion, I think abortions that save lives should be legal.
ilovenarwhales 4 hours ago
@RustyPancreas But on the other hand, let's say that the woman didn't want the child. And for whatever reason, she fails to practice protected sex, fails to use contraceptions, fails to terminate the fetus at an early stage and now, when the fetus is at a point where it can be viable, she decides to have it aborted. Now despite all of her careless efforts (60%, I believe, say they didn't know they were pregnant), you would allow it to be killed? Is that the same thing to you?
ilovenarwhales 4 hours ago
@RustyPancreas In all, I really have nothing more to say to you. You put words in my mouth, calling me an antagonistic of woman's rights and through simple rhetoric made me appear as a narrow-minded alpha male that has no proper view of women before calling me a "fucking retard". It is just simple diction to make me appear as an extreme opposition to feminism (killing a woman for procreation) and an absent minded drone for a political mandate. You fail to communicate logically and effectively.
ilovenarwhales 4 hours ago
You rage you lose.
I lost after 15 seconds.
thesourceofx 2 weeks ago
I can't believe we are still in the dark ages, arguing about abortion. A fetus is no more of a person than a tumor.
DejaPoo909 2 weeks ago
@DejaPoo909 talk about the "dark ages"....even the most ignorant of those who lived through the dark ages likely knew the difference between a developing human life and a tumor. Unfortunately, you apparently don't.
debunker300 2 weeks ago
@debunker300 Developing human life is not human life, so abortions are ok.
DejaPoo909 2 weeks ago
@DejaPoo909 developing human life IS in fact, human life....it just happens to be developing. Sorry, abortions are still no bueno.
debunker300 2 weeks ago
@debunker300 You don't get to decide, it is up to the woman.
DejaPoo909 2 weeks ago
@DejaPoo909 when you find a woman who can get pregnant without a man's sperm, THEN it's her decision alone....until then, it's not.
debunker300 2 weeks ago
@debunker300 Like I said, IT IS NOT YOUR DECISION.
DejaPoo909 2 weeks ago
@DejaPoo909 like i said, when you can find a woman who can get pregnant without a man, THEN it's her decision. Until then, it's not.
debunker300 2 weeks ago
@debunker300 Do you have a vagina?
DejaPoo909 2 weeks ago
@DejaPoo909 before i answer your question, let me ask...with respect to the abortion debate, what difference does it make if I do or don't?
debunker300 2 weeks ago
@debunker300 Because if you don't have a vagina
YOU DON'T GET TO DECIDE!
DejaPoo909 2 weeks ago
@DejaPoo909 And I say to you, if you can't create a baby without sperm, YOU DON'T GET TO DECIDE!!!
debunker300 2 weeks ago
@debunker300 What is a man somehow gets pregnant? Can he get an abortion?
DejaPoo909 2 weeks ago
@DejaPoo909 ummm....NO, a man cannot get pregnant. i think perhaps you flunked English.....good luck next time around.
debunker300 2 weeks ago
@debunker300 But could a pregnant man get an abortion?
DejaPoo909 2 weeks ago
@DejaPoo909 I dunno...can a unicorn get a driver's license?
debunker300 2 weeks ago
@debunker300 Well, unicorns can teleport, so I see no reason for them to need a drivers license,
DejaPoo909 2 weeks ago
@DejaPoo909 so, you have your answer.
debunker300 2 weeks ago
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@debunker300 What that one in to screw that it is teleported or not? What each takes care of his bottom and all will go better.
DejaPoo909 2 weeks ago
I remember watching this on C-SPAN. Too bad I changed the channel because I would have loved to see that congresswoman own that Repub.
elr456 3 weeks ago
Abortion is performed not for the sake of killing a fetus. It's performed for health problems with the baby or the mother, or for women who have been raped, or for women who are too young or don't have a stable enough lifestyle for a child. No one wants to have an abortion, but EVERY WOMAN WANTS THE CHOICE. WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF YOU HAD A BABY WHO WAS GOING TO BE A STILL BIRTH? NO ONE NEEDS THE KIND OF PAIN OF DELIVERING A DEAD CHILD.
yellownewsoul 1 month ago
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Shananagins1337 1 month ago
to the lady speaker,wonder how the baby felt ...
SoSaCA100 1 month ago
@SoSaCA100 yea the alternative of having the mother and the baby die would be much more preferable.
RustyPancreas 1 month ago
@RustyPancreas in actuality, there is more of a chance that a pregnant woman will win a lottery than she'll need to have an abortion to save her life. Yet another myth propagated by the pro-borts.
debunker300 2 weeks ago
@debunker300 That fact is just wrong, please don't comment on something that you don't understand. Ectopic pregnancies occur quite frequently. Go Wikipedia that now and respond like you know what you're talking about.
RustyPancreas 4 days ago
Who is this woman? She's so well spoken.
RustyPancreas 1 month ago 6
@RustyPancreas Congressmember Jackie Speier from San Francisco/San Mateo, California (my district)
RaymondHng 1 month ago
@RaymondHng Hahaha really? I live in Palo Alto, so that's my district too and I didn't even know it.... well glad to have her.
RustyPancreas 1 month ago
@RustyPancreas Anna Eshoo is the Congressmember for Palo Alto.
RaymondHng 1 month ago
@RustyPancreas: Well spoken? She is nothing more than a typical twisting Democratic bitch.
bond519 1 day ago
...........continued again......and it is rediculous and idiotic to think so.
Idontlikedogs1010 2 months ago
......continued again....Also a fetus is not a person it is not like you of me they they do not have the wiring to be aware of their surroundings it can be killed in a sense but then again so can every other cell in the body,a fetus is no more alive than any organ. over 90% of abortions happen before the first trimester when it is smaller than a olive more cells can be lost in a nosebleed for God's sake! than an early medical abortion. an abortion is nothing like killing an actual born baby.
Idontlikedogs1010 2 months ago
.....continued.....over what happens to her body, the woman is the living breathing person not the fetus & she has every right to protect herself from any danger pregnancy might pose to her health & life,to think otherwise is just plain mysogenystic women are not just some object to supply men with offspring we are our own person too, but you could never ever understand that, for you it is easier to anti-choice when it is not your body up for discussion.
Idontlikedogs1010 2 months ago
@freewilllover Of course it human I am not distputing that it was made by humans
it is not going to be something like a fish is it!?but is it yet an actual
living breathing person the answer is NO & last time I checked the definition of
abortion had nothing to do with murder so it cannot be murder,thats why call it abortion because it is the aborting/removing something thats under developed/a potential child, .........................................................................^
Idontlikedogs1010 2 months ago
I feel embarrassed for his wife(if her has one),I can't imagine the control her has over the poor woman. Women deserve to do as they please with their bodies it's her choice and her's only a woman's body does not belong to anyone but her.Men DO NOT and CANNOT ever understand what it would be like to carry and give birth. so they should get no say in this issue whatoever. women are their own person they should not be made to feel or treated like breading cattle by selfish idiotic controling men!.
Idontlikedogs1010 2 months ago
@Idontlikedogs1010 Oh yes horrible me for not allowing murder the women can do as she pleass with her body aslong as it doesn`t kill someone else!!!!
freewilllover 2 months ago
Why do these men think they should have any say over what a woman does with her body and the decisions she makes in life, it does not effect them in any way, butt the fuck out of other peoples' lives.
Dont beg for rights of the unborn when your healthcare policies result in over 10,000 deaths annually from preventable diseases that the poor can not afford,and your policy on stem cell research prevents millions who are already here from being saved,and having a chance.
Contradiction at its finest
LpxMusic 2 months ago
@LpxMusic Most do care for the unborn childrens life and the women can`t decide over that!!!!!!
freewilllover 2 months ago
@freewilllover If women dont have rights to their OWN body, you dont have rights to free speech, so do us all a favour and shut the fuck up.
LpxMusic 2 months ago
@LpxMusic It isn`t just her body she is deciding over but the life of the child!!!!!!!!
freewilllover 2 months ago
@freewilllover A fetus is not a child! there is such a big difference between the two it is a potential child yes but a child as yet NO the same goes for every sperm or egg ,the fetus it is alive in a sense yes,all cells are living but a fetus is no more alive than an organ,
The woman is the living breathing one it is HER BODY she has every right to protect herself from any mental health issues, pain, illnesses,or potential death pregnancy might cause her.
Idontlikedogs1010 2 months ago
@Idontlikedogs1010 Actually the fetus has the complete genetic structure of a human making it a human being where sperms do not, lungs aren`t seperate lifeforms with their own unique genetic structure!!!!
freewilllover 2 months ago
You guys always add "Rape" this "rape" that. i agree they've been raped and that is not their fault. but that doesnt give them the right to murder these childeren. and 1% of all abortion is caused by rape. so what about the other 99% ? either way you are killing babies. what if the baby you killed was the next doctor to find the cure for cancer? The origin of your source is ignorant. Murder is murder. that's it
joshgames11 3 months ago
@joshgames11 supporting right for the unborn but neglecting those who are already here is murder, sir.
LpxMusic 2 months ago
@LpxMusic We don`t neglect there rights they have no rights in this matter, a wqomen i responsible for the child and she doesn`t have the right to be irresponsible, no parent can be irresponsible!
freewilllover 2 months ago
@freewilllover ...............do they tell serial killers you commited abortion?NO it's a rediculous comparison
a fetus is not a person yet until it can establish living outside another human
it is nothing but a potential baby the same goes for every egg and sperm.
sperm and eggs all carry their own genetic codes they are already parts of individual genetic
human beings but not yet ................................^
Idontlikedogs1010 2 months ago
@Idontlikedogs1010 You aknodge it is human, oke it just isn`t breathing, well what does that matter and it is dependent what does that matter, it still is a humaan and therefore abortion is murder!!!
freewilllover 2 months ago
@freewilllover .....................the same as a fetus or embryo who has not yet put together all its structure
to become a living breathing person developed enough to survive outside another humans body.
however if I was to believe a fetus was a person (which I do not)I could argue that abortion was
not murder but mearly self defence as carying it to term has a 20 times more of a mortality
rate for a mother..................^
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@freewilllover ........................as for comparing fetuses to organs what I meant was that organs are not mentally aware of their
surroundings or existance they cannot think or feel emotion just the same as embryos or fetuses
Idontlikedogs1010 2 months ago
@freewilllover they were irresponsible to have gotten that baby when they couldnt support it in the first place, dealing with that problem is not irresponsible, having the child and bringing it into horrible lifestyle IS
LpxMusic 2 months ago 2
@LpxMusic great point (Y)
letsloveearth 2 months ago
@LpxMusic So making the choose to die for someone else is oke????
freewilllover 2 months ago
@freewilllover Its a choice you have no right making for someone else, if you dont want to have an abortion ,good, thats your choice, but what if you didnt have the option to keep the child, and were forced to abort it?
The united states is all about freedom and choice, that includes what you want to do with YOUR OWN body.
A persons own conscience dictates their decisions, yours doesnt.
LpxMusic 2 months ago
@LpxMusic I understand and respect the idea that abortion can save a mother from direct harm to her life. I understand the pain and agony that goes into deciding whether to have an abortion or not. But the fact remains that 47% of all abortions are performed on women who have had at least one previous abortion, and 1% of all abortions occur because of rape or incest and...
mrmartinconte 2 months ago
6% of abortions occur because of potential health problems regarding either the mother or child. Abortion is no longer a question of health or safety, it's a question of social/economic strain, and that should not be a consideration of the life of a child.
mrmartinconte 2 months ago
@mrmartinconte childbirth has a much higher health risk she could suffer from fistulas, prolapsed wombs, haemorrhages, or disability even premature death! not to mention the higher risks of mental health illnesses she may suffer from, pregnacy & birth is a much higher risk than abortion, What are you saying a woman should play roulette with her life and own health for the sake of something she never wanted in the first place?
Idontlikedogs1010 2 months ago
@mrmartinconte ....continued... you say " life of a child" a fetus is NOT a child a potental child yes but not yet a child, it is not a child until it can live outside the uterus unaided by it's mother, also to be a child, it must have a cerebral cortex. as a fetus it does not.
Idontlikedogs1010 2 months ago
@Idontlikedogs1010 According to who? Who decides when a child is a fetus and not a child? Our scientists? Our doctors? No, that is not something we will ever be able to determine by the mere means that mankind possesses, and whether or not it is actually a child is not a chance I'm willing to make. Of course pregnancy comes with high risk, but with abortion, the risk to the fetus is not even considered. It is death.
mrmartinconte 2 months ago
@mrmartinconte Yes your right the scientists, who have dedicated many many years with hard work & effort studying fetal development,& yes I believe in science science it has brought us cures for infections and treatments for diseases & made life better for mankind, but who decides whether to carry the potential child at the end of the day it is down to the mother you cannot force any woman to carry a pregnancy against her wishes a woman should have total control & freedom..............
Idontlikedogs1010 2 months ago
@mrmartinconte I never brought up the arguement of rape or incest, im just saying that you have no right to make a decision for a woman over what she does with her body, everyone has a choice, If you would choose to keep your child, good on you, give her the choice that you had though.
Its none of your business anyways
LpxMusic 2 months ago
@freewilllover IF you believe rights for what a women can do with her body should be restricted, and her freedom taken away, I advise you to follow your own course of logic and SHUT THE FUCK UP.
IF you restrict other peoples freedoms, it would only be hypocritical to keep using yours.
LpxMusic 2 months ago
@LpxMusic I think this freewilllover must be a troll surely nobody can possibly have views this idiotic & deluded in real life.
Idontlikedogs1010 2 months ago
@Idontlikedogs1010 You mean the belive unborn humans have the right to live, yeah believing in the right to live and restricting murder is crazy!!!!
freewilllover 2 months ago
@LpxMusic My talking doesn`t kill an unborn child am I wrong does my talking kill someone?? The womens freedom should be restricted to protect the rights of the child the rights of one stop where another starts, I am not harming anyone espicially not my own child, what made you think the freedom of speech and too kill are equal??
freewilllover 2 months ago
@freewilllover They are both "rights" fuck nuts, right to free speech, right to do what you want with your own body. they are called "rights" because nobody can take them away from you, if you believe you have the power to restrict rights of others then it would only be hypocritical to keep using yours, as i previously stated.
one day you might be put in a certain situation and see what it means to have to endure an abortion, its not an emotionless proccess, stop acting like it is.
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Idontlikedogs1010 2 months ago
@Idontlikedogs1010 Multiple accounts?
oh wow..
LpxMusic 2 months ago
no matter how you look at it abortion is a murder protected by the law...
impalaortiz 3 months ago
I bet if his his wife or daughter was raped he would make them abort
moose656 3 months ago
People focus on the wrong area of this is issue, you focus on the death rather than the implications of the childs births. abortion is nothing compared to actual born babies dumped in trash cans or trash shutes (it does happen). Many of these are UNWANTED therefore are brought up in broken homes, mistreated, abused, and many end up in a life of crime. What's worse, abortion while still in amothers belly, something no one can remember, or an entire life of struggle?
subed924 3 months ago
@subed924 it is a generalization, but a valid one that should be considered.
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standingontruth1 4 months ago
@crueltykiller Some babies are born missing pieces of their brains and will never do more in life that breathe and eat. Are they not persons? What makes a 3rd trimester baby different than a second or first trimester? There are already brainwaves before then and the baby is capable of deciding to move, make facial expressions, and feel pain.
eurasianchica 4 months ago
Her baby moved from the vagina into the cervix at 17 wks? WTF?
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lilishamm 4 months ago
@crueltykiller First, forgive the extremely delayed response. College just gave me a boot to the face. Figuratively speaking, of course. Moving on... Define MIND. Are you speaking in terms of brain waves? Those are recorded far earlier than the third trimester.
Sageangel18000 5 months ago
Abortion Is A Murder.
Conservative7979 5 months ago
Considering about 1 in 4 pregnancies end in abortion does suggest that it is common occurrence.
stcolreplover 5 months ago
@stcolreplover considering only 1.5% of abortions are done after 2nd trimester... this happens rarely
pocacasper 5 months ago
@pocacasper errr. uumm, err, um, considering , using your percentage that's still 20, 550 abortions a year in the united states alone, considering it's not 1.5 but more like 10 percent after 2nd trimester so that's around 137, 000 abortions annually. OHHH but that's rare right
stcolreplover 5 months ago
@crueltykiller ummm, the problem with human vs person. Is that if you only define things by persons, infanticide is permissible as well. just food for thought
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If the unborn are not human, no justification for elective abortion is necessary. If the unborn are human, no justification for elective abortion is adequate.
Sageangel18000 5 months ago
If the unborn are not human, no justification for elective abortion is necessary. If the unborn are human, no justification for elective abortion is adequate.
Sageangel18000 5 months ago
@crueltykiller I have a question. The women's right to chose... what is it that they are choosing? Is it not the choice of whether or not to kill an innocent human baby? Correct me if I'm mistaken, but I do believe that's called murder.
Sageangel18000 5 months ago
She clearly misspoke, saying vagina, rather than uterus, to the cervix.
BTW, I'm Pro-Choice.
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Sindrake 5 months ago
If you really think about it, it's more cruel to let an unwanted and unloved child live a miserable existence than to abort it as a fetus.
SKATEOUTTACOMPTON 6 months ago
ok so I'm going to assume she meant the baby moved from the uterus to the cervix because I can't comprehend it moving from the vagina (near the opening of her parts) upwards to the cervix. using this little anatomy 101 session I'd like to point out how clearly uneducated she is even about her own procedure. Granted she was probably acting on emotion and got it all confused.. understandable.
courtbian89 6 months ago
@courtbian89 What I don't understand is if she is claiming to address a procedure done when there is zero chance for survival for the baby or herself. This scenario is not targeted in pro-life causes! Smith is arguing against the currently lawful choice to abort. Really her retaliation, although emotional and demands compassion is completely unrelated to what he is saying.
courtbian89 6 months ago
Tortured for hours! OMG! She had an abortion, so she is a killer! Done without any thoughts? Sure the deficit is more important than saving babies!
fintyrock 6 months ago
It's better for the baby to have a chance to live and die, than to kill that baby... I was given a chance, who is to say that all of us have a chance, if killing a baby, is killing that chance, we are all created equal, I was learning and hearing in my moms whom, I don't remember, but I felt the feelings, I saw darkness, and wanted to get out, thankfuly I did. And I still remember to this day, 18 years of given oppprtunity.
d789b 6 months ago
so the lady had abortion and that makes it right!
SoSaCA100 7 months ago
As much as I hate the idea of abortion I think it's time for the antiabortion side to admit defeat. We lost this battle in 1973, abortion is the law of the land and that will probably never change.
averagebear1 7 months ago
ABORTION IS MURDER
Hartatttack420 7 months ago
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@Hartatttack420 ummm, actually no. abortion is literally not murder. as so many confused people do, you are mistaking what you want to be true for what is true. in the usa, abortion is not murder. you saying it doesn't change that fact. you might as well say that planting corn is murder too.
slyjokerg 7 months ago
@Hartatttack420 your opinion, not fact. so shut up.
dmcarefuldriver 7 months ago
She admits her child died. That is what abortion does. Perhaps if the millions of babies weren't aborted there would be more tax payers. And would have been for decades.
oceangirly92 7 months ago
@oceangirly ummm, if there were more "taxpayers" there would also be more people that needed public assistance. and abortion ends a pregnancy. that's what it does. that is the intent. a completely unconscious, non-sentient form of human life stops developing (or "dies") as a result. that isn't the object of abortion. no one wants to kill anything. if that was the point we would be running around promoting the killing of BORN children, and hell, why not adults? anti-choicers kill doctors.
slyjokerg 7 months ago
@oceangirly92 and more costs too! your logic makes ZERO sense. we would have overpopulation issues and more people to take care of and feed, etc. worst anti-abortion argument i've ever heard.
dmcarefuldriver 7 months ago
SMITH - "You are dismembering that child piece by piece!"
SPEIER - "But what does that have to do with cutting the deficit?"
^?
MCofZephyr 7 months ago 3
Her pregnancy /baby was viable, a baby at 17 weeks is not usually viable and her life is more important. She didn't want to have a DNC, she had too, that's why she was upset at that idiot. If u don't like abortion, don't have one!
laustin92 7 months ago
she told his dumb ass.
saintben2008 8 months ago
@saintben2008 Don't call people names you fag.
OrangeOceanOctopus 8 months ago
@fasfsdfasd don't take it so literally. the bottom line is that it'll always be the mother's choice. you can think it's wrong and terrible and murder but that doesn't mean shit because it's not up to you. (not you in particular, but the pro-life supporters as a whole).
sarahedithobear 8 months ago
@sarahedithobear So if a mother was to kill her new born baby would that be ok? Would you say it's the mothers choice to kill her baby? Don't be ridiculous! Just because the baby is inside the mothers belly does not make the baby any less important. Abortion is sick and evil. God will repay the evil people have done. In the end justice will be done.
SoldierOfChrist110 8 months ago
@SoldierOfChrist110 ooooooh my god. it absolutely, 100%, does NOT matter what anyone thinks at this point because as of right now it's the mother's choice. maybe it is wrong and sick and evil. but right now, the law doesn't care because it says otherwise. take your righteous attitude elsewhere because i'm a non-religious 18 year old girl with no plans of ever having an abortion unless having the child proves a peril threat to my own life. so stop with the holy godsend speeches, please.
sarahedithobear 8 months ago
@sarahedithobear But God will punish evil in the judgment day. Just because you choose not to believe won't change reality. If you want to take a gamble with your eternity then go ahead, but I wouldn't recommend it.
SoldierOfChrist110 8 months ago
@SoldierOfChrist110 Gay.
sarahedithobear 8 months ago
@SoldierOfChrist110 stop pretending to know anything about eternity you probably don't even know .0000000001% of things there are to know in this life.
seanstrnad 7 months ago
@seanstrnad One thing I do know is that eternity is a very long time!
SoldierOfChrist110 7 months ago
@SoldierOfChrist110 it is no time at all.
seanstrnad 7 months ago
@seanstrnad ok then
SoldierOfChrist110 7 months ago
Eternity is no time, forever lasting.
Bookinn 6 months ago
@fasfsdfasd clearly didn't read everything i said. settle down pro-life nazis. i'm not saying that abortion isn't an awful thing. it really is cruel and unfair. but it has to be one of those things that we keep around for the sake of the "rare at best" scenarios.
sarahedithobear 8 months ago
that said: there definitely are some women who abuse the right to have an abortion if they so choose. but you can't rule out the rights of women who truly deserve them just because some people truly don't. i'm a contributing member of society and i honestly believe that if i want to end the life of something that barely even has a life at all, in order to keep myself safe and well, then im going to do it.
sarahedithobear 8 months ago 2
okay - i don't believe that a fetus, a little ball of flesh and blood, has rights. of course it deserves to live and of course it's horrible to have an abortion because you're never giving it a chance. but by not giving that fleshy, barely living fetus a chance, the mother is getting a second opportunity at her own life. in most cases the mother is a functioning, contributing part of society whose rights are much, much more earned and deserve more respect.
sarahedithobear 8 months ago 2
You didn't "lose" your baby, you KILLED your baby, Madam Congresswoman whether you thought it was a "welcomed" experience or not. The fact is, your baby is no longer with you because of your own CHOICE. You had your own child killed.
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liche123 9 months ago
And she won this debate why? Because she felt bad about him detailing the abortion she had? Oh well, get over it that's what takes place when you get an abortion. Lets all shed a tear because she feels bad about killing her baby!
007michaelpaul 9 months ago
52,008,665 abortions have been conducted since 1973 in the United States. On the basis that the fetus is not a "Living Human". What is the difference between the fetus, and a traumatically injured person whom is rendered unable to use his the majority of his brain and remains on life support? One's protected by law as a human, the other isn't. Yet there are no differences other than the location. ?
007michaelpaul 9 months ago
Blah, blah, blah! Whatever. I will continue to be a man-whore and not have kids. I really don't care if it's killing a child or not, to me it's just a trip to the doc. I actually have real issue in life to deal with and perhaps you should too instead of poking your nose into others business!
arthurkitchen 9 months ago
Wow. Christopher Smith got absolutely SMASHED in that debate.
andydude30 9 months ago
D n E? Do not enter? O_o There's a fucking reason politicians SHOULD NOT BE MAKING MEDICAL DECISIONS. Keep abortion legal and OUT OF POLITICS.
BethisRad 9 months ago
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I hope you burn in hell.
ShadyRepublican 9 months ago
Abortions are really no big deal and I can't believe how many morons actually waste the energy to protest or make a big deal about them. Who really cares? We have FAR too many kids anyway. If not for abortions, I would have kids all over the country from when I was in a band. I banged everything that walked. Abortions are a great form of birth control!
arthurkitchen 9 months ago
@arthurkitchen Abortion is not a 'form of birth control'. Abortion is killing a child. An unborn child. It's still a child. Whomever made the stupid decision, should deal with the consequences. And if you get raped, well, it still doesn't give anyone the right to kill a child.
And if you don't want a baby, shit, give it up for adoption. Make someone else happy. Make the child happy.
They have as much of a right to live as you do. YOU could've been aborted, but someone chose to give YOU life.
SamTrellie159 9 months ago
did he say d and e....d and c dude...
Loveislight1 9 months ago
Right on, Jackie Speier! That is EXACTLY what I have been wondering these last few weeks, as I listen to countless Republican men try to rip away the rights of American women, instead of working on fixing our economy. What dos this have to do with any of the problems facing Americans right now?
And why the sudden push to outlaw abortion? What do these men know about anything? It's sickening. It's absurd.
Stay out of my body, Republicans. You are not wanted here.
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fatwhaleslovecookies 10 months ago
abortion is murder.once that baby has a beating heart, it is a living being. its simple really, dont be whore, or be prepared to deal with the consequences of your actions.dont punish the unborn child for a mistake the irresponsible mother made.there are cases, like when a baby has a defect that would harm the mother or the baby if it was born, when it is necessary for the health of them both to not give birth.but not just b/c some stupid, skanky girl doesnt want to have to be a mom yet
fatwhaleslovecookies 10 months ago
@fatwhaleslovecookies I hope, if you'll ever unlucky enough to experience a car crash, you take your own advice and don't waste the time of other sick people in need by calling the ambulance for help and instead, you know, deal with the consequences of driving.
theanswerisowl 10 months ago
@theanswerisowl that's a stupid comment. a car crash is not something you choose. having sex is a choice. just say no. but if you say yes and get pregnant and dont want the baby, there's always adoption. there are thousands of men and women out there incapable of having children that wish they could. give your healthy baby to those people instead of brutally killing it.
fatwhaleslovecookies 10 months ago
@fatwhaleslovecookies Adoption is unfortunately not an alternative to being pregnant. Are you in favor of the idea to lend your organs to people who need it (and would you demand that people who don't want it, should have to endure this procedure against their will?)
Oh nevermind, I just saw your latest comment a la "Only filthy whores have sex" yadda yadda yadaa.
The funny thing is, apart from your slut-shaming, the rest of it makes you pretty much pro-choice.
theanswerisowl 9 months ago
@fatwhaleslovecookies And I think the driving comparison is actually quite accurate. If you're driving, you don't atomatically choose to have an accident, if you're having sex, you don't automatically choose to become pregnant. In either case, the dangers are known, but there is no way to be 100% safe all the time. Accidents happen.
theanswerisowl 9 months ago
@theanswerisowl IF that comparison were accurate, you aren't choosing to kill another human in an accidental car crash. having an abortion means you choose to kill an innocent soul. its just wrong
fatwhaleslovecookies 9 months ago
@fatwhaleslovecookies That is right. You're choosing to drive. Everything that goes wrong is the accident and beyond your control. The same goes for sex and I think we both agree on never being able to be in control 100%.
So...that's the situation. I guess you wouldn't say to a car crash victim that s/he could have known what s/he was getting into when deciding to enter a car. Why not extend this compassion to people who find themselves pregnant?
theanswerisowl 9 months ago
@fatwhaleslovecookies In addition to that, I'm having a hard time to believe your concerns for the fetus. Maybe they're genuine, but I'm not convinced because of all the slut-shaming you've used before. It seems to me, this is not so much about fetuses and more about sexuality, especially female sexuality.
theanswerisowl 9 months ago
@fatwhaleslovecookies That's a very narrow minded opinion. Why would you say that all women with unwanted pregnancies are "stupid" and "skanky?" Contraception fails sometimes, people make mistakes. Deeming all women that get accidentally pregnant as stupid is just wrong. It's like saying that all fat people are disgusting lazy slobs. I would argue that most people are just uneducated - especially the young ones - about consequences, and we can blame our stupid educational system for that.
SuperDupe180 10 months ago
@SuperDupe180 i understand your point. i dont think that ALL women with unwanted pregnancies are stupid, although they are all irresponsible. but most times, it's because the girl and guy were acting stupid. if you have sex and are old enough to get pregnant, you are aware of the consequences. i just think its horrible to take the life of someone because their parents were being irresponsible
fatwhaleslovecookies 10 months ago
@fatwhaleslovecookies You're right, that irresponsible people get pregnant all the time, but irresponsible people don't always equal responsible parents. There are as many reasons for abortion as there are women who choose to have them, it all comes down to individual choice. You're definitely doing the right thing by being careful, there are worse things to catch than pregnant! (Individual opinion, again). Condoms can break, accidents happen to responsible people, too.
loathedandabhorred 8 months ago
@fatwhaleslovecookies so what, who really gives a crap. We don't need all those damn kids!
arthurkitchen 9 months ago
this is what's wrong with the conservative viewpoint on abortion. you're saying that nobody is allowed to do this. however the liberal viewpoint expresses that you can do this IF YOU WANT. nobody's making YOU get an abortion. if i get raped, i refuse to have the child of a rapist. let alone a child that i am 100% not ready to take care of. if you're so against it, just don't be a part of it. why do you have to rip away the freedom and rights of other people?
sarahedithobear 10 months ago 2
@sarahedithobear Exactly! Thank you!
SuperDupe180 10 months ago
@sarahedithobear the abortion debate consists because of the argument that by allowing people to have an abortion you aren't protecting the "rights" of the fetus..(the right to live) now whether that fetus is considered human or not is under great speculation and comes down to personal viewpoints.
PanthersMan17 8 months ago
@sarahedithobear I see the point you are making, but let's use that argument with something that is pretty much universally immoral such as the murdering of toddlers. Should parents be allowed to kill their toddler if they realize they do not have the means to take care of it? Very few would argue that the toddler is not a human and therefore does not possess the right to live. The real issue of abortion is whether or not an unborn child is a human with rights of its own.
MyRealNameIsntCledus 8 months ago
@sarahedithobearsays="why do you have to rip away freedom and rights of other people"
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With that kind of thinking slavery would still be legal in the south because it was the right of of a free man to own slaves.
Infact there were even FREE blacks that OWNED slaves in the south.
Why did these free people lose their rights?
Same with Hitler!
Why did he lose his right to live without jews in his country?
NAZIs didn't want the jews , so why make them have them ?
ekajeht 8 months ago
i thought america was about choice and freedom. but it's been made clear to me that my own fellow americans disagree, and insist that i shouldn't have freedom. also, i would like to ask why many of the people who are pro-life are also for the death penalty? in my opinion, killing a fully developed human being is worse than killing a 1/2 alive, 1/2 formed fetus. land of the free? lately, it doesn't look that way.
sarahedithobear 10 months ago
@sarahedithobear the baby should have a chance for freedom too...
fatwhaleslovecookies 10 months ago
You LOST a baby!? You had your baby KILLED and torn apart in your womb! You should have knots in your stomach after hearing him describe what happens in the procedure- IT'S WHAT YOU DID TO YOUR CHILD!
Ju87s 10 months ago
@Ju87s
SHE HAD A COMPLICATION DUMBASS. She had a miscarriage and had to have the baby removed.
geevesluvsokgo 10 months ago