Corporate Takeover - Argentina

[ibelucky1]

This will be the US someday , we are already seeing some of this.

[votumseparatum1]

@ibelucky1 No it won't. All our factories are in India and China. LMAO!!!

Look, American idol is on. Who has time for revolution?

[MrSaggat]

7 YEARS AGO!!!!

[malehawk]

This is the example that capitalists fear (cause it works) and media ignore (cause they are owned by capitalists

[kevin45271]

I wish this would happen and spread all over the world. Stuff the fucking capatalists!

[InternetArgument]

I find it amusing how ehunter2 and others like him paint millions of people with such a broad stroke and make enormous generalizations.

[tlydick]

Co-Ops vs. Corps.! Corps. are run like a dictatorship or oligarchy, while Co-Ops are more democratic. I think we should do away with Corporations in favor of Co-Ops.

[saki01248]

Exposing the lies and ignorance of the left. ehunter2 r you right wing or what ? coz you sound like the left.,or is that a new right wing pro-fashist propaganda,talk like left but act like right.

[nazibreaker]

these is the real shit ....CLASS WAR!!!!

[MrMichaelAThompson]

The only problem I see with this situation is that when the government did their one time default of over $100 billion they should have seized all the ABANDONED properties in their country at the same time. They could have solved a whole lot of their problems with just one hit on their countries "credit report". The worlds financial markets have a VERY short memory. Just as Russia. ;)

[ehunter2]

Lets pretend the workers gained complete control of factory. And began production and found out..guess what, that there was a surplus of the product, that the product was technologically obsolete, that other workers were doing a better job. In fact the workers became owners and realized the previous owners had been right all along.

[figocooldude]

but what if, the workers had a diferent objective then the capitalist owners, instead of maximizingtheir utilities had the objective of producing something socialy usefull, of producing and having a steady job, this would reduce the price of their product and they would return to the market

[SatanicCod]

So, it is okay to steal at the second it is "Socially Useful"?

Sounds like the USSR...

[ehunter2]

And why would that "socially useful" product be bought? What would make it more "useful"?

Because it was better made, cheaper? less polluting? And what if a factory of other workers in another country came with a more

"useful" useful product. Would you close the first factory? Or keep producing the less "useful" socially useful product? Still sounds like Capitalism to me.

[figocooldude]

is a gossip magazine really necesary? or how about most toys out there or the military industrial complex. One thing neoclasical theory likes to brag about is how the market produce what is necesary, but we all can see how resorces are being missused, how people are brainwashed into believing that certain products must be bought.

So your question about of socially useful isn't about lowering the cost of production, which does happen. I'm talking about the product itself.

[ehunter2]

And who demands the trash? The sit-coms on TV? the gossip magazines? who idolizes gangs? your beloved WORKING CLASS. The same people you carry out your revolutions for. And then when they have power they are lost.

The working class whose deepest dream is to

quit working and spend the day drinking and watching TV.

[figocooldude]

That is not about class but of inteligance, rich and poor consume trash! See this is one of the real problem, whos fault is it, I say both, one has the power of the media, whos only goal is to make cash and don't care what they sell; the other has the power to change the channel. Working people dream of a calm day because they work all the time, and when they have power they will be occupied with other activities concerning there comunity, that in todays world they have litte or no influence in.

[ehunter2]

Pure fantasy. Look at reality as it is. The working class does nothing with its leisure time but 1. Gamble..lottery etc. 2. Daydream

in a phoney world of soap operas, movies, gossip. 3. Think up ways to scam their fellow workers.

No..education and culture belong to a small small group. The kind of people that are the first to be crushed into conformity by a socialist or Communist state.

[figocooldude]

There is nothing wrong with leisure, what's wrong with dancing, some drinks, time with friends and family? I'm critizing only the leisure that is sold by the system wich has nothing to do with culture.

Education and culture are everywhere, every comunity has it's own history and traditions...western acedemic intellectualism does belong to few people ,but I'm not talking about that.

And yes, a socialist state or any state crushes people to conformity, thats what I said in the last comment.

[ehunter2]

I agree with you on leisure. But you try to write off true culture as if it were a

odd taste of a few "academics", and you try to pretend as if the pastimes of "folk" culture were somehow noble. You think there is only one kind of tyranny..Corporate tyranny. There is the tyranny of the small town with its gossip and vicious pettiness, and its lack of any intellectual life at all.

True culture grows out of freedom from triviality and vulgarity that folk culture enshrines.

[ehunter2]

The peasant in his field, the small town workman, the housewife..have NO leisure. True leisure comes when you arent spending 12 hours a day doing menial tasks. True leisure for cultural activities takes place in a organized, hierarchical state. Industrialization adds to leisure. But then Corporations find ways to divert and control people to pay attention to worthless things.

[LAVATORR]

You read a lot of Ayn Rand, don't you?

[SlashFan60]

Any ignorance you try and pin to the working class comes from the marginalized education and media focus on matierial things that propells them to do such things. Its genius the way the capitalists oppress such subservients; the reason such revolutions are carried out in their name and not directly from their leadership is because of their lack of understanding of the subject and control of resources; if they had that, they wouldnt need to progress a revolution in their interests now would they?

[qwertywxyz]

IMF <--- shoot it

World Bank <--- bury it alive

Solves 1/2 the third worlds problem.

Get rid of the U.N. while you're at it.

Solves almost all the third world's problems

The IMF, World Bank and the U.N are tools used by western nations to subjugate and enslave the poor of the third world.

[p717]

If more North Americans did this, particularly in places like Michigan and other areas where there is heavy manufacturing infrastructure that has closed down, then we could revive our economy in just a couple of years.

[omfg4000]

Wonderful. Capitalst exist only because they take an unfair amount of capital from the produce of workers into their own products.

Worker owned companies are the truly democratic corporations that must be promoted.

They give far better incitives than market driven companies as the workers truly feel that they will get more money if they work harder. At the same time they cost less for the tax payer to operate than state owned companies due to the minimum bearucracy.

Amazing indeed.

[2300SKIDOO]

Outrageous & somewhat depressing.

The bank cutting people off from there own funds-how can this be accepted?

I love the people of Argentina-tough folks, with a charming sense of humor. The people just want to work, so let them work-really, c'mon. Does this still go on? The video has 5 and a half years now.

[sweetypie000]

I thought this was a video about Youtube and Google :)

[dowling1981]

sweetypie - There are other things on the planet, ken?

[brickell4brickell4]

the comment says workers have taken over "their factories" bullshit they stole the factories from other people who WERE willing to invest in their country. communists are thieves

[itsacorporatething]

so you think the workers should just sit around idly and starve because the multinationals who "invested" in them fled because of an economic collapse that they caused in the first place?

[SatanicCod]

What about STARTING their own business or asking to the bank to seize and re-sell those companies? If the Multinational default on a loan payment, the banks can seize legally the company and sell it to the public.

This dint happened here. They stole the factory. This send a simple message; if you invest in our country and we think that we need the material you paid for, we will blatantly steal it out of your hands.

I guess no-one will invest there for a long time in the future...

[itsacorporatething]

did America develop industrial might by pleasing and being subservient to England? Did Japan by letting foreign multinationals run their country as opposed to themselves? "Investment" seems more like foreign exploitation in many cases. The Argentineans are taking it back after the global capitalists failed to deliver their claims of pulling people out of poverty and "developing" the country.

[SatanicCod]

**The Argentineans are taking it back after the global capitalists failed to deliver their claims of pulling people out of poverty and "developing" the country.**

...by stealing the propriety of others. You can bend, twist and mold it the way you want, theft is theft.

How many times an American company stole a japanese business? It dint happen because the individual right to propriety is enforced in the USA. This is a dangerous trend. Where it will stop?

[itsacorporatething]

The point I was trying to make was since when did other country's corporations have to "invest" in countries to "develop" them. I'm sure the Argentineans who you seem to think are so misguided believe that foreign multi nations committed theft against them and they are simply returning the favor and taking things into their own hands. Theft is only tolerated when it is committed by the rich and powerful, when its done by those on the bottom of the heirarchical ladder, it is severely punished.

[SatanicCod]

So, it was theft to invest in Argentina?

[itsacorporatething]

It certainly makes a few locals and a few investors much more rich at the expense of the rest. It just depends on your viewpoint. The way I see it, the people in question are just doing what they see as necessary and the best option in the situation and aren't really concerned about the investors or the debate we are having.

[SatanicCod]

True. They are living in the "Short Time". I can understand that. I just hope that we could agree on the fact that this will harm Argentina on the long term.

[omfg4000]

Theft...oww noes?

Taxes are theft and are needed for a society to work. Even organisations such as the CFR and Conservative America recognise this.

When some greedy bastard leaves Argentina (I mean how high can the salary be?) for a place where it's even lower to pressure down salaries even more then the people have all the right to seize the empty facility and make it productive again.

All the right in the world. :)

[SatanicCod]

So we can suspend the rule of law out of a whim? Talk about a nice society. :)

[omfg4000]

Obviously if people are starving, yes!

[SatanicCod]

So, why they are not stealing food?

[omfg4000]

Becasue they are smarter than you and figure that stealing a rod so they can fish is better than constantly being a problem by stealing fish from the people who use a rod :)

[SatanicCod]

So instead of getting a loan to buy a rod and then sell the surplus of the fish to pay the debt, they steal.

Of course, stealing is so convenient.

[omfg4000]

Indeed. Loans are a capitalist invention.

Earning money on money was once a sin.

People were beheaded for it in Babylon, it was called "ursury" in the middle age and was almost as bad as murder. Greek pholosophers have spoke about it as one of the most inmoral acts that there is.

[SatanicCod]

Glad we went out of the middle ages, right?

[omfg4000]

Perhaps but definetly not glad that we aren't in ancient greece.

[figocooldude]

OWNED! Never mess with the greeks. And I should recomend you revaluate your conecpt of private property.

[SatanicCod]

Typical Communist propaganda video. On one side, we got the "Poor and Oppressed" workers and the other the "Evil Capitalists" who got robbed from their goods.

I wonder how much foreign investment will be made in Argentina since we know now that "Private Propriety" is a lost concept for the government.

Argentina, nation of thieves.

[brickell4brickell4]

true words. I don't know why people have a hard time understanding this obvious fact.

[SatanicCod]

The answer is simple: shortsightedness.

By taking over those industries, they fix a short-term problem. Anybody not inclined to see the long term will approve the move. Many South-American countries have populism as a political tradition. The result is a brunch of Third-World countries unable to get over themselves.

Venezuela is slowly going down that road too. What will happen to them when they will need to repair those oil installations they stole?

[omfg4000]

They create factories that produce the parts they need, no?

[SatanicCod]

And who will pay?

[barlover636]

@SatanicCod who cares about foreign investors when ur starving today ur completely living in a fatasy world because if u were in that situation worrying about where ur next meal is literally u would do what u got to do. so stop all that idealistic bullcrap.

[libertyerian]

$143 billion of debt! this is why governments should not borrow money

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[ikekll]

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[ytstef]

Survival of the fittest.