This. So much this. I have a lot of issues with Moffat's writing, but my one biggest beef is the absolute disregard for continuity. He seems to treat established canon as mere suggestions that can be ignored if conforming to them would interfere with whatever cool idea he has now, ultimately leading to a non-deterministic universe where characters' prior actions have no bearing on the story's outcome.
Here's hoping the Series 7 delay is due to him finally getting a proofreader.
The fact is you're forgetting things the whole reasoning of the plan in which you describe is yet to be explained. Plus The Silence are not capable of taking over a time capsule, only Omega can do that or the other Time Lords on Galifrey
This story gets continued in season 7 so your basically reading half a book, skipping to the end and complain that the ending makes no sense.
the listing of facebook pages hardly constitutes s.p a.m since there is no fee to join any of those groups and as far as I know no one's name is placed on any emailing list. At least not on mine. I wouldn't know how to even do that. My computer skills are quite limited. No lie.
I won't bother with series 7. I'll just ask my friends on facebook. it's just gotten too depressing to waste time on it. I'm going to create my own little alternative series 7 & 8 and 50th anniversary. wish me luck. :-)
'River Song go away.....No One Likes You Except Steve Moffat' or 'I Hate River Song' or 'I Hate River Song Club' or 'We Hate River Song' and 'I Hate Dr River Song'. There are also 'CLASSIC DOCTOR WHO FANS WHO HATE NEW WHO' and 'I LOVE Doctor Who and therefore HATE Steven Moffat! >>>SPOILERS<<<' and 'I Hate Steven Moffats Scripts and River song'.
That was amazing mate! Couldn't agree with you more, what a mess Steven made of this last series. Hopefully, rather like Steven's plot points, we can brush this series under the carpet and pretend it never happened.
I loved Series 6 but I love this too, it's hilarious. It wasn't a fixed point in time until they made it such. It was a still point in time, which let them make it a fixed point. :)
I don't think the silents needed to be at lake silencio. Dorium Maldovar said its a still point in time making it easy to create fixed points in other words they didn't try to become events of a fixed point they actually created the fixed point themselves.
I'm also unsure about the whole Tardis exploding thing. We haven't heard a member of the silent or a silence with the voice that was heard saying silence will fall. Some suggest they simply didn't think it would end that bad.
@DynamicFilmUK Right but time doesn't work that way. Originally it was a still point yes, but as soon as they *made* it a fixed point, it was *always* a fixed point. They'd know about the point before they got to it, and then they'd realize 'oh actually it's a still point we can use to make it a fixed point!'
My theory: the future Doctor (the Valeyard) isn't all that evil; he's just screwing with his younger self, to see what he does...even though he already knows... time travel gives me headaches.
Personally, I don't think they're plot holes, I think that all these little detail will be explained. I mean, a fixed point in time could only be the result of certain previous events, and I guess these points were all that's happened in season 5 and 6. Still fucking funny though!
'River Song go away.....No One Likes You Except Steve Moffat' or 'I Hate River Song' or 'I Hate River Song Club' or 'We Hate River Song' and 'I Hate Dr River Song'. There are also 'CLASSIC DOCTOR WHO FANS WHO HATE NEW WHO' and 'I LOVE Doctor Who and therefore HATE Steven Moffat! >>>SPOILERS<<<' and 'I Hate Steven Moffats Scripts and River song'.
i liked season 6, sure there are some things that could have been better handled and explained but it was still a good series for me.Heck "The Doctor's Wife" is one of my favorite episodes not, and people keep on ignoring it cause it wasn't part of the main storyline of Moffats.
Thank you! You explained far better what I've been trying to explain to everyone that loves this season of Doctor Who. Thank you, thank you, thank you!
@MarinaOrange AMEN! but don't try telling the pinheads who act as if Moffat could walk on water.
they're raving lunatics. Season 5 was just okay but season 6 took Dr Who to a new low. How on earth could anyone think that the dr would marry an obnoxious, stalking, sociopath who was willing to let trillions upon trillions die just so that SHE didn't have to kill the Dr. HELLO MORON! The dr would eventually die if the whole universe was destroyed. Moffat needs to leave. Now!
@MarinaOrange brilliant. Can I borrow your brain? lol Whenever I try to argue with the pinheads who prattle how "genius" moffat is I go on and on and on. lol Like I am now.
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I cannot like this enough. Such a good video. Doctor Who was excellent apart from the stupid puzzling plot. The best Who episodes are ALWAYS the self contained ones that exist because they are good stories. Rubbish like Lets Kill Hitler will end Doctor Who, so stop it Moffatt.
The Silence created the fixed point--they said so in the season finale. That's why they needed River in the spacesuit at the lake (apparently creating a fixed point isn't easy...I don't understand all the rules, but that's the gist of it.)
I know you all like to point out the flaws and despise Moffat's writing now, so mine will be a unpopular opinion here, but seriously?. The show's about a 907 (1103 now) year old alien travelling inside a phone box that is bigger on the inside. Making sense? Really? I fully enjoyed the writing of the last series. Witty dialogs, clever jokes, great one liners, emotional moments, working connections. And I can fanwank every single plot hole. So I am quite happy with Series 6. Sad that you are not.
(BTW And one thing: Amy´s ganger must have been pregnant, too, because it was created out of a pregnant Amy, so the Tardis shouldn´t have freaked out about the pregnant/not pregnant thing ;)
This more or less addresses my thoughts on the main arc plot. The only thing I can think of is that the Silence were not aware of the lake Silencio fix point until much later in the course of their plan (which with time travel could have started at who knows when). Afterall, if the Doctor's death was common knowledge, NOONE would try to go against the Doctor until that time. Of course that would only solve ONE problem with all this, and would seem to get all timey whimey with the 1960s stuff.
BRILLIANT! I knew there was a reason I couldn't just get into this season like the last. Moffat needs to see this, if only so he can get his head out of his ass.
you tore about moffat's crappy season 6 brilliantly. It is because of all this wibbley wobbley timey wimey ass-backwards stories that have now finally turned me off Doctor Who completely. I can't watch any more. Good on you again.
But god yes, agreed so hard. The entire plan/River Song timeline when you actually figure out linearly just feels like he was making up cool stuff for each arc episode and didn't once think that when this was put in a proper order it wouldn't make an ounce of fucking sense.
Yeah, I mean, love the core story episodes of Season 6. But when you think about them, the overall story doesn't make any sense at all. Oh well, was still a fun ride.
BRILLIANT!! Spot on! ignore the idiots who say you shouldn't think too much. thats probably their philosophy at work or school as well. lol
NO! Doctor Who is at its best when it combines humor, some science, with action and adventure and once in awhile a little absurdity. Now its the whole stinking show thats absurd!
Time for Moffat to get the boot! tell him to go stink up another show!
lmao I love this. And I originally liked the idea of training/brain washing an assassin specifically to get rid of the Doctor and why couldn't it just be left at that? The story made NO SENSE. In fact, I didn't even know it was possible to write something that makes no sense and get it approved and put on air and put into production without someone saying: THIS MAKES NO SENSE. And don't get me started on how a robot-shaped Doctor would possibly trick a fixed point in time. I give up.
Ah, but the Doctor didn't 'trick a fixed point in time'. The Teselecta being shot was the fixed point in time. It always was. Everyone else *thought* it was the Doctor being shot but that was never the case. Everybody thought that the Doctor's death was the fixed point when actually, as it is revealed at the end of 6.13, it was the Teselecta all along with the little Doctor inside. The Doctor faked his death.
@DistantDreamer93 That doesn't make sense to how the Doctor would know that it was okay to do that. I understand he can see what points in time are fixed and what are in flux, but how would he know that it was okay to have a stand in? It seemed like he thought he was death was actually imminent, but he changed his mind at the last moment. Why? What made him realize the robot version of him could take the hit instead?
This video was brought up in two different posts on the Mark Does Stuff blog for the episode (the guy I told you about before the last podcast). It seems it's gone over well.
Really dissappointed with the whole River Song thing, as this video points out it turned out to be a retarded mess trying to write in a character that could have just been a once in a while pop in.
Season 6 had some good episodes in it, but the overall season arc was pretty terrible.
Maybe if we're lucky Craig and Stormageddon will be the new companions.
OMG, this is the funniest, most brilliant thing to come out of fandom for a while, AND SO EFFING TRUE. Well done, well done. It really doesn't need to be convoluted!
LOL That was awesome, and you really hit the nail on the head. Moffatt can craft a great story, but his desire to shoehorn all his different characters and events into an overall story arc can really bog things down and lead to some disappointing turn of events.
To be fair the Doctor didn't regenerate from his own had... get chanted into godhood by people crying out his name and none of his companions gained magic powers at the last minute, there was no button labelled "this rewinds time" or "this sucks up Daleks".... so all in all this was a MASSIVE improvement.
Still some good points and a funny video :) I think Dr Who finales will always be lame, something for the kids, just a shame we're now wasting Moffats talents on them, RTD had none to waste.
@redfieldblair Hello! I would just like to point out that if RTD truly had no talents to waste, as you've put it, how on Earth did he revive Doctor Who in the first place and garner so much public interest about it? I respect your opinion, but that's just a little something to think about. ^^
@sdafjkashdjkasgdhvsa well firstly I'd say that he generally appealed to the lowest common denominator, it's much easier to gain viewers by so doing, whereas Moffat successfully or unsuccessfully is attempting to raise their level of thinking. To my mind RTD only wrote one good script, and that was Midnight. That said he was a good showrunner, he knew how to get publicity, did a great job at casting, hired the right people (Murray Gold etc). When I criticise RTD it is only his writing.
@redfieldblair I should add I'm not defending this finale, every finale has been flawed. I enjoyed the last two more as they were more imaginative than "Aliens invade Earth" or "Aliens invade Big Brother", but the grand overblown finales lend themselves to deus ex machina and nonsensical plots. Favourite episodes this year were standalones, the Doctors Wife, Girl Who Waited, God Complex, and that's been true of every series. Only thing I liked less was the extra finale we got with the break.
@redfieldblair Raising the level of thinking? This video alone demonstrates that Moffat has done the opposite. Series 6 is absolutely brain dead obnoxious garbage that is becoming a vehicle to put over River Sue, erm, Song.
@malkura90210 No the fact we're even able to have this conversation shows things have improved, if you can make a 12 min video it's a step up from "aliens are invading, quick give the companion magic powers" or the Doctor... and don't forget the big rewind time button. I won't get into a back about intellectual writing with someone named after Beverly Hills.
@redfieldblair "and don't forget the big rewind time button." ...what the hell did you think the season 5 final was? The only difference between that and season 3 was that 3 had technobabble to back it up, through the paradox machine. Season 5 had Amy wishing the world better, through the power of friendship because she spent a few weeks in her childhood living near the crack in her wall. Not to mention that outside of the fanfiction-esque wedding the six final was completely pointless.
@nenny189 I don't like either, but between "alien granted magic powers because everyone on the planet says his name (there's a techno box involved, honest)" and "the universe is being reborn, at the centre of that explosion is a telepathic time machine which is connected to every point in space time via the cracks, the cracks which Amy was connected to her whole life so a deleted person can be brought back from those memories" I'd go with the latter *just*. I wouldn't defend either.
@redfieldblair Because the thousand(s, probably) other TARDISes blowing up in the war did absolutely nothing to the universe, along with all of the other timey tech and Gallifrey ITSELF blowing up is okay, but one TARDIS destroys everything. And Davros wasn't worried about blowing up said TARDIS two years before. And breaking a fixed point kills time except if it's on Mars and a Time Lord does it? At least RTD's DEM didn't contradict itself in painfully obvious ways
@Thedarkbunnyrabbit so every explosion is the same? That's dumb enough not to address as was sobatoge. Besides which the other TARDISes were destroyed the timelords were around to clean up the mess. Davros was trying to destory the universe (for no god damn reason that anyone could discern) with his reality bomb, why would he care?! And the whole point of WoM ending is that the fixed point self corrected (stupid though it is that Adelades teleport wouldn't get more investigation).
@redfieldblair Oh right, because the Silence could do to a TARDIS what no Dalek ever could. Because...um...because you forget them when you look away and they implant post-hypnotic suggestions! Also Doctor's Wife makes it pretty clear that now suddenly a TARDIS dying at all, even pre-Time War would do the same, which is in fact what the entire plot of the show is devoted to. Davros wanted to erase all of reality EXCEPT the Daleks. Blowing up the universe would...
@redfieldblair NOT destroy reality, as it's only an explosion, and would have no affect on timestreams it's not connected to (which, as season two establishes, is any other universe) and even if it did, it would ALSO destroy the Daleks, which he definitely didn't want. Yet, no one was concerned with the TARDIS overheating and dying by incineration might be a tiny bit of a road bump in their reality bomb plan. And yes, at the end the fix point self corrected, but so did Silencio
@redfieldblair Also, the Doctor got bad grades in school, but I find it a little bit hard for him to NOT know that breaking a fixed point 'kills time'. Remember the whole POINT was he decided he could decide what happened and what didn't. The point was not 'I am okay with time ending if it means I get my way', it was 'screw the future, from today I'm going to change it.' Also, if the fixed point was 'the Doctor dies at lake Silencio' or 'The astronaut kills the Doctor at Silencio'
@Thedarkbunnyrabbit I find a lot of RTD elements hard to swallow, but if Rose saving her father brought about the end of the world then he should have expected. I think the difference here is that you've accepted the nonsenses of the RTD era, which I haven't and then are judging everything else on them, whereas I tend to treat that era as the 'Time Space Visualiser', it didn't make any sense, it was a stupid idea, move on and never mention it again.
@redfieldblair Rose caused a paradox because she crossed her own timeline and more importantly the Doctor's time line to alter her and his timeline in a completely different way. But if the Silencio fix broke time, do explain how Amy isn't a giant walking paradox after Girl Who Waited? The only part of the two Amys that was actually paradoxical was young Amy, not old Amy. She couldn't exist without old Amy to pull her through, who couldn't exist without her being left there 40yrs
@redfieldblair Silencio was never called a paradox, only a broken fixed point. If they're going to suddenly bring back paradox consequences though, I'd love to hear about the damage done Amy touching her younger self, and the Doctor changing Kazran's timeline so much he became unrecognizable to his own tech, and Kazran HUGGING himself. But regardless of what you think of RTD's reign, it came first. The show hasn't been rebooted, therefore what it set stands.
@redfieldblair You can't just ignore it, even if you don't like what it has, especially when you constantly reference other parts of it, or you look like you have no idea what you're doing. Like Moffat does currently.
@redfieldblair in which case, emptying the suit would not have stopped it. Since she still wasn't in control, it could have bludgeoned him to death or strangled him if it wanted (which would be very hard but not impossible), or he could provide it a way. By season six, as soon as he saved Adelaide even a little bit, all of time should have stopped because he just changed a fixed point, not it wait around for her to FIND a way to die somewhere ELSE.
@Thedarkbunnyrabbit wow that was ranty, and none of it made any sense. The stupid Adelaide ending was supposed to result in people being inspired by her, as time ran forward (without intervention) this occurred (though god only knows how it only warranted a one word change in a history book). WoRS was more akin to Fathers Day where time offered up a chance to repeat the mistake.
@Thedarkbunnyrabbit Ignore all the idiots who refuse to acknowledge the inconsistencies of the new series. They don't want to see it. They want to believe that their beloved Moffat is perfect and makes little to no mistakes. That's a joke and a half. lol
Moffat has pretty good ideas but his lack of common sense ruins what could have been a really good story. Also he is not very good at the arc stories.
Doctor Who needs a new writer. A fresh new one who isn't an arrogant airhead. LOL!
@sallyjosie Oh good lord, my kingdom of pretzels for a Who writer who ISN'T an arrogant ass. That'd be awesome. I'm not even sure why Moffat fans don't want to see his mistakes. I'm an RTD fan and I detest Midnight and am plenty baffled by some of his decisions. Moffat's problem is that he gets all these OMG COOL IDEAS and then doesn't bother to make them actually work with the story. Or A story, really.
@redfieldblair The fact that people are talking about the series, doesn't mean it was brilliant. It wasn't. This video proves it by detailing a plot that had potential but was ruined by Moffat's need to be clever. This season was thrown together, it sucks but it's true. So many blatant plotholes. Ex: Why did they raise Melody in 1969? Why did they allow her access to the outside world? How did Melody get to the 90's to grow up with her parents? Why should I care when the author clearly doesn't?
@nenny189 are you really saying that technobabble makes good writing? The solution wasn't foreshadowed at all which is what made it so poor.
And where did I say it made it brilliant? I said quite the opposite, that finales under both show runners were nonsensical, just that under RTD the finales were *so* dumb that there was nothing to discuss.
@redfieldblair Are you sure that's it? Trust me, I'm no RTD supporter, the mans writing had problems. However at least with an RTD final you got pay off, you under stood what was going on. The reason everyone talks about a Moffat final isn't because it's amazingly complex. It's because it makes no sense. Again, what was the point of anything in the season 6 final? Outside of the wedding and that five minute clip show at the end giving us answers, 10 minutes total, the rest was pointless.
@nenny189 read what I said again. I said his finales were so simple it would be impossible to have a discussion of this length about them "aliens invade earth, companion/doctor gains super powers, *end*". And whilst I admit Moffats finales have flaws they are at least more imaginative.
Payoff in RTD finales? He could do a good build up but he could never close the deal (in Who that is, his writing outside of the show is bizarrely superb, not sure why he couldn't do Who).
@malkura90210 Amen!! River sue. Amen. She's a joke. Now watch all the laughable "explanations" Moffy comes up with to explain all the plot holes.
I doubt I will even bother watching series 7.
Oh and if the Silence is the one who influenced ALL Human development then what happened to the Daemons? According to the 3rd Doctor in 'The Daemons' it was the Daemons who has been influencing the Human Race for thousands of years. So who is right? Did they work together or does someone....
The only thing that was missing was the poison from the Judas Tree. Kovarian should have mentioned it, and then the other guy could be like "shouldn't we just have every single Silence agent armed with poisoned darts and try to shoot him at every opportunity?" And then Kovarian could be like "no! Because he has to be shot by the astronaut suit at Lake Silencio! Fixed point!"
This is, in a word, BRILLIANT (and fricking hilarious) . You've pointed out all the biggest flaws with this series, it was overly convoluted when it didn't need to be and most of it could have been skipped, giving time for more decent episodes.
Yes and if someone would smack Moffat around the back of the head and take away his computer and all other writing implements before the next series, that'd be wonderful.
omg. laughing so hard. season six was the biggest. letdown. EVER. had some good episodes, but the ending? blech. I think Moffat just wants to #### on the classic series fans for the sake of his own little fangirl ego. can we get some better writers for series 7, say maybe a room of monkeys with typewriters?
I didn't know they KNEW it was a fixed point in time, but if they did that bumps it down from vastly anticlimactic end to Anticlimatic end to a completely impossible plotline...
This is a thing of beauty. Only thing I can think of is that Pregnant Amy was replaced with a ganger because the organization continued to work on her to insure that Melody was born a human/Time-lord. I don't know what they did exactly, but I seem to remember them mentioning that that was what happened. Doesn't take away from the rest of your argument, though...which is spot on.
THANK YOU for this! I can't say I'm waiting on the edge of my seat for the Christmas Special or next season. The Doctor/ River Song / Amy Pond storyline ended with a whimper and vast disappointment. We need a better head writer!
Doctor Who's always been something that falls apart if you think about it too hard, but this really lost me. I'm basically hanging in there for Murray Gold's work now.
... You know, series six was actually looking good until you pointed this out. I mean, sure Russel T. Davies had his flaws but I don't recall him ever doing something like this. Even Trial of a Time Lord seemed to make more sense than this.
@Tseuhadon The writing for each individual episode is still amazing. As you said, flaws don't stop someone or something from being great. Enjoy it for what it is~
Loved Moffat when I watched last season. He tied everything together brilliantly. It felt a lot like the Key of Time season back in the day, except now it was the viewers going on quests for the pieces of a puzzle that would be assembled at the end of the season instead of the characters. This year it felt like he was just trying to one-up himself. It didn't work.
And is every season going to end with the Doctor making some heroic act of self-sacrifice? Because if it does, how will Smith's
final episode feel special? You always knew that the Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, Ninth and Tenth Doctors would be willing to do something like turn himself in to the Time Lords in order to derail an evil plot, make a spider queen zap him with her radiation gun instead of turning it on the rest of the universe, fight the Master to the death so he couldn't use mind control, give Peri the antidote when there was only enough for one dose, suck the Time Vortex out of Rose, or get zapped in Wilf's
place; but you didn't see them doing so all the time! That's why their regeneration episodes felt so special. If this keeps up, Eleven's final episode will be greeted with a shrug and "Huh, I guess this time he couldn't magic up a way to have his cake and eat it too."
This. So much this. I have a lot of issues with Moffat's writing, but my one biggest beef is the absolute disregard for continuity. He seems to treat established canon as mere suggestions that can be ignored if conforming to them would interfere with whatever cool idea he has now, ultimately leading to a non-deterministic universe where characters' prior actions have no bearing on the story's outcome.
Here's hoping the Series 7 delay is due to him finally getting a proofreader.
patches365 1 day ago
LMAO & ROTF at 8:45 & 9:04. I love it.
sallyjosie 1 week ago
not know the history of Doctor Who as well as they pretend to? LOL
sallyjosie 1 week ago
Series 6 is one of my favourites, but I won't deny that the plot was too convoluted and I still don't understand everything that happened.
This skit is hilarious! :D Thanks for making me laugh.
Rinturiel 1 month ago
The fact is you're forgetting things the whole reasoning of the plan in which you describe is yet to be explained. Plus The Silence are not capable of taking over a time capsule, only Omega can do that or the other Time Lords on Galifrey
This story gets continued in season 7 so your basically reading half a book, skipping to the end and complain that the ending makes no sense.
funwinder 1 month ago
the listing of facebook pages hardly constitutes s.p a.m since there is no fee to join any of those groups and as far as I know no one's name is placed on any emailing list. At least not on mine. I wouldn't know how to even do that. My computer skills are quite limited. No lie.
I won't bother with series 7. I'll just ask my friends on facebook. it's just gotten too depressing to waste time on it. I'm going to create my own little alternative series 7 & 8 and 50th anniversary. wish me luck. :-)
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sallyjosie 1 month ago 2
This vid sums up everything I thought about series six. I had such high hopes for it, too.
mugiwaraboshi37 2 months ago 2
That was great, funny and smart. Three things that Moffat isn't unfortunately.
sassenachaline 2 months ago 3
Moffat is an idiot and this video shows why season 6 was my last Nu-Who that I will be watching. Moffat has ruined Doctor Who. Period.
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That was amazing mate! Couldn't agree with you more, what a mess Steven made of this last series. Hopefully, rather like Steven's plot points, we can brush this series under the carpet and pretend it never happened.
TheRoastNewt 3 months ago 2
I loved Series 6 but I love this too, it's hilarious. It wasn't a fixed point in time until they made it such. It was a still point in time, which let them make it a fixed point. :)
andyot7777 3 months ago
I don't think the silents needed to be at lake silencio. Dorium Maldovar said its a still point in time making it easy to create fixed points in other words they didn't try to become events of a fixed point they actually created the fixed point themselves.
I'm also unsure about the whole Tardis exploding thing. We haven't heard a member of the silent or a silence with the voice that was heard saying silence will fall. Some suggest they simply didn't think it would end that bad.
DynamicFilmUK 4 months ago
@DynamicFilmUK Right but time doesn't work that way. Originally it was a still point yes, but as soon as they *made* it a fixed point, it was *always* a fixed point. They'd know about the point before they got to it, and then they'd realize 'oh actually it's a still point we can use to make it a fixed point!'
Thedarkbunnyrabbit 2 weeks ago
this is one of the best thing i've ever seen on youtube.
no, this is the best vid i've ever seen in my entire life.
gimmazzi 4 months ago 3
Video starts - checks phone. -.-"
raysire 4 months ago
My theory: the future Doctor (the Valeyard) isn't all that evil; he's just screwing with his younger self, to see what he does...even though he already knows... time travel gives me headaches.
ContinuityGlueVideos 4 months ago
Personally, I don't think they're plot holes, I think that all these little detail will be explained. I mean, a fixed point in time could only be the result of certain previous events, and I guess these points were all that's happened in season 5 and 6. Still fucking funny though!
excelisinsane 4 months ago
I liked series 6, but that was still bloody hilarious!
MaskedMike004 4 months ago
I'm so glad to see I'm not the only one who was so completely disappointed by S6. This was hilarious.
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2012smartypants 4 months ago
i liked season 6, sure there are some things that could have been better handled and explained but it was still a good series for me.Heck "The Doctor's Wife" is one of my favorite episodes not, and people keep on ignoring it cause it wasn't part of the main storyline of Moffats.
brujah723 4 months ago
Oh my god. This is everything I've thought about this story line.
snarkadelicrelic 4 months ago 2
it is.
Why?
NOT TELLING.
MrWhatsrossable 4 months ago
i still like series 6, even with all these weird plotpoints
this is brilliant XD
TEHEmmie 4 months ago 4
Why does Madame Kovarian sound like Starscream?
robberblood 4 months ago
Hilarious! Love the different voices!
Janewwu 4 months ago
most fucking amazing thing in the history of the universe
CaptainEvvie 5 months ago
it makes me sad that people hate season 6.
wooshDX 5 months ago
ALL THE AWARDS.
biellebrunner 5 months ago
Thank you! You explained far better what I've been trying to explain to everyone that loves this season of Doctor Who. Thank you, thank you, thank you!
MarinaOrange 5 months ago 2
@MarinaOrange AMEN! but don't try telling the pinheads who act as if Moffat could walk on water.
they're raving lunatics. Season 5 was just okay but season 6 took Dr Who to a new low. How on earth could anyone think that the dr would marry an obnoxious, stalking, sociopath who was willing to let trillions upon trillions die just so that SHE didn't have to kill the Dr. HELLO MORON! The dr would eventually die if the whole universe was destroyed. Moffat needs to leave. Now!
sallyjosie 1 month ago 5
Wow, this is a whole level of hatred.
I liked the series. And I must tell that suspension of disbelief has always to be strong while watching Doctor Who.
NattyDoctor 5 months ago
@NattyDoctor Suspension of disbelief doesn't equal suspension of logic.
MarinaOrange 5 months ago 33
@MarinaOrange THANK YOU TOO!
OneManDustBowl 5 months ago
@MarinaOrange brilliant. Can I borrow your brain? lol Whenever I try to argue with the pinheads who prattle how "genius" moffat is I go on and on and on. lol Like I am now.
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2012smartypants 4 months ago 5
This whole video falls flat when you consider the "Impossible Astronaut" was NOT Plan A.
exitwest 5 months ago
I cannot like this enough. Such a good video. Doctor Who was excellent apart from the stupid puzzling plot. The best Who episodes are ALWAYS the self contained ones that exist because they are good stories. Rubbish like Lets Kill Hitler will end Doctor Who, so stop it Moffatt.
RichTipple 5 months ago 7
@RichTipple THANK YOU.
OneManDustBowl 5 months ago
just a heads up:
The Silence created the fixed point--they said so in the season finale. That's why they needed River in the spacesuit at the lake (apparently creating a fixed point isn't easy...I don't understand all the rules, but that's the gist of it.)
ctippet 5 months ago 2
I know you all like to point out the flaws and despise Moffat's writing now, so mine will be a unpopular opinion here, but seriously?. The show's about a 907 (1103 now) year old alien travelling inside a phone box that is bigger on the inside. Making sense? Really? I fully enjoyed the writing of the last series. Witty dialogs, clever jokes, great one liners, emotional moments, working connections. And I can fanwank every single plot hole. So I am quite happy with Series 6. Sad that you are not.
utkucavalier 5 months ago 4
This is hilarious and you did a fantastic job on it, but I have one question. Did Madame Kovarian know that Lake Silenceo was a fixed point in time?
dadadancer93 5 months ago 3
Brilliant! Thank you for making this :)
(BTW And one thing: Amy´s ganger must have been pregnant, too, because it was created out of a pregnant Amy, so the Tardis shouldn´t have freaked out about the pregnant/not pregnant thing ;)
Chiyoi 5 months ago 4
BY BLOWING UP THE TARDIS!!!!! <3
InsanityIgnitions 5 months ago 3
This more or less addresses my thoughts on the main arc plot. The only thing I can think of is that the Silence were not aware of the lake Silencio fix point until much later in the course of their plan (which with time travel could have started at who knows when). Afterall, if the Doctor's death was common knowledge, NOONE would try to go against the Doctor until that time. Of course that would only solve ONE problem with all this, and would seem to get all timey whimey with the 1960s stuff.
FWTrump 5 months ago
omg. i thought i was going to hate this. but this video was great. thank you !
lovelyspringweather 5 months ago
i guess we figured out why Gideon Vandaleur died. He asked too many questions.
ginnoveffect 5 months ago 6
absolutely HILARIOUS and SO true.
and yet i cannot help but forgive the show all its flaws. Even this insanity.
NeverEverFaceTheDark 5 months ago 2
BRILLIANT! I knew there was a reason I couldn't just get into this season like the last. Moffat needs to see this, if only so he can get his head out of his ass.
CutleryPieces 5 months ago 8
This made me realise how much this season didn't make sense.
krazygrl890 5 months ago 6
Lol. God the season plot was killing me this season. It didn't make any sense.
renjiai 5 months ago 3
God...Moffat just makes up shit at the seat of his pants. RTD back please.
idiotjello 5 months ago
you tore about moffat's crappy season 6 brilliantly. It is because of all this wibbley wobbley timey wimey ass-backwards stories that have now finally turned me off Doctor Who completely. I can't watch any more. Good on you again.
destinyson23 5 months ago 3
This is why I watch Star Trek instead.
mechanixis 5 months ago
Marry me?
But god yes, agreed so hard. The entire plan/River Song timeline when you actually figure out linearly just feels like he was making up cool stuff for each arc episode and didn't once think that when this was put in a proper order it wouldn't make an ounce of fucking sense.
TheHibbleton 5 months ago 6
Yeah, I mean, love the core story episodes of Season 6. But when you think about them, the overall story doesn't make any sense at all. Oh well, was still a fun ride.
KnightRaymund 5 months ago
This is the funniest thing ever.
krazygrl890 5 months ago
BRILLIANT!! Spot on! ignore the idiots who say you shouldn't think too much. thats probably their philosophy at work or school as well. lol
NO! Doctor Who is at its best when it combines humor, some science, with action and adventure and once in awhile a little absurdity. Now its the whole stinking show thats absurd!
Time for Moffat to get the boot! tell him to go stink up another show!
TheSassy3012 5 months ago 2
Kovarian is better in this than in the series......... not hard, mind you. :)
papalaz4444244 5 months ago
This is really good. Bu with something like DW you just go with the flow and avoid looking into it too much ^_^
JadesVidz 5 months ago
Brilliant. Very funny. Well done. But it hasn't made any difference to how much I loved Series 6 of Doctor Who.
meenakshimammi 5 months ago 4
This is hilarious.
Optics233 5 months ago
lmao I love this. And I originally liked the idea of training/brain washing an assassin specifically to get rid of the Doctor and why couldn't it just be left at that? The story made NO SENSE. In fact, I didn't even know it was possible to write something that makes no sense and get it approved and put on air and put into production without someone saying: THIS MAKES NO SENSE. And don't get me started on how a robot-shaped Doctor would possibly trick a fixed point in time. I give up.
icedudebrr 5 months ago 6
@icedudebrr
Ah, but the Doctor didn't 'trick a fixed point in time'. The Teselecta being shot was the fixed point in time. It always was. Everyone else *thought* it was the Doctor being shot but that was never the case. Everybody thought that the Doctor's death was the fixed point when actually, as it is revealed at the end of 6.13, it was the Teselecta all along with the little Doctor inside. The Doctor faked his death.
DistantDreamer93 5 months ago
@DistantDreamer93 That doesn't make sense to how the Doctor would know that it was okay to do that. I understand he can see what points in time are fixed and what are in flux, but how would he know that it was okay to have a stand in? It seemed like he thought he was death was actually imminent, but he changed his mind at the last moment. Why? What made him realize the robot version of him could take the hit instead?
icedudebrr 5 months ago
This is hilarious :D
gelingelingx 5 months ago
Hysterical!! XD
hollandaiserox 5 months ago 2
This video was brought up in two different posts on the Mark Does Stuff blog for the episode (the guy I told you about before the last podcast). It seems it's gone over well.
Rmlohner 5 months ago 5
"What's the point in training an assasin if you're not gonna use her?"
"Why don't we use her on other non-Doctor things we need dead?!"
:D Perfect.
annaxsg1 5 months ago 7
Really dissappointed with the whole River Song thing, as this video points out it turned out to be a retarded mess trying to write in a character that could have just been a once in a while pop in.
Season 6 had some good episodes in it, but the overall season arc was pretty terrible.
Maybe if we're lucky Craig and Stormageddon will be the new companions.
thisisnotme33 5 months ago 8
OMG, this is the funniest, most brilliant thing to come out of fandom for a while, AND SO EFFING TRUE. Well done, well done. It really doesn't need to be convoluted!
sherrilina 5 months ago 4
*bows to your excellence*
This is the funniest thing I've seen in a while, and totally sums up my thoughts on the last two seasons too. Brilliant!
thedevelish1 5 months ago 5
11:47 You sound like K-9 when you say "correct". :)
MySweetSummertime 5 months ago
LOL That was awesome, and you really hit the nail on the head. Moffatt can craft a great story, but his desire to shoehorn all his different characters and events into an overall story arc can really bog things down and lead to some disappointing turn of events.
Can see what Season 7 gives you to work with :-)
sliders1 5 months ago 2
YAY. :D
DoctorHbee 5 months ago
I applaud you! Pure brilliance, and hilarious at the same time
lilblackkid23 5 months ago 28
To be fair the Doctor didn't regenerate from his own had... get chanted into godhood by people crying out his name and none of his companions gained magic powers at the last minute, there was no button labelled "this rewinds time" or "this sucks up Daleks".... so all in all this was a MASSIVE improvement.
Still some good points and a funny video :) I think Dr Who finales will always be lame, something for the kids, just a shame we're now wasting Moffats talents on them, RTD had none to waste.
redfieldblair 5 months ago
@redfieldblair Hello! I would just like to point out that if RTD truly had no talents to waste, as you've put it, how on Earth did he revive Doctor Who in the first place and garner so much public interest about it? I respect your opinion, but that's just a little something to think about. ^^
sdafjkashdjkasgdhvsa 5 months ago
@sdafjkashdjkasgdhvsa well firstly I'd say that he generally appealed to the lowest common denominator, it's much easier to gain viewers by so doing, whereas Moffat successfully or unsuccessfully is attempting to raise their level of thinking. To my mind RTD only wrote one good script, and that was Midnight. That said he was a good showrunner, he knew how to get publicity, did a great job at casting, hired the right people (Murray Gold etc). When I criticise RTD it is only his writing.
redfieldblair 5 months ago
@redfieldblair I should add I'm not defending this finale, every finale has been flawed. I enjoyed the last two more as they were more imaginative than "Aliens invade Earth" or "Aliens invade Big Brother", but the grand overblown finales lend themselves to deus ex machina and nonsensical plots. Favourite episodes this year were standalones, the Doctors Wife, Girl Who Waited, God Complex, and that's been true of every series. Only thing I liked less was the extra finale we got with the break.
redfieldblair 5 months ago
@redfieldblair Raising the level of thinking? This video alone demonstrates that Moffat has done the opposite. Series 6 is absolutely brain dead obnoxious garbage that is becoming a vehicle to put over River Sue, erm, Song.
malkura90210 5 months ago 19
@malkura90210 No the fact we're even able to have this conversation shows things have improved, if you can make a 12 min video it's a step up from "aliens are invading, quick give the companion magic powers" or the Doctor... and don't forget the big rewind time button. I won't get into a back about intellectual writing with someone named after Beverly Hills.
redfieldblair 5 months ago
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Janewwu 5 months ago
@redfieldblair "and don't forget the big rewind time button." ...what the hell did you think the season 5 final was? The only difference between that and season 3 was that 3 had technobabble to back it up, through the paradox machine. Season 5 had Amy wishing the world better, through the power of friendship because she spent a few weeks in her childhood living near the crack in her wall. Not to mention that outside of the fanfiction-esque wedding the six final was completely pointless.
nenny189 5 months ago 3
@nenny189 I don't like either, but between "alien granted magic powers because everyone on the planet says his name (there's a techno box involved, honest)" and "the universe is being reborn, at the centre of that explosion is a telepathic time machine which is connected to every point in space time via the cracks, the cracks which Amy was connected to her whole life so a deleted person can be brought back from those memories" I'd go with the latter *just*. I wouldn't defend either.
redfieldblair 5 months ago
@redfieldblair Because the thousand(s, probably) other TARDISes blowing up in the war did absolutely nothing to the universe, along with all of the other timey tech and Gallifrey ITSELF blowing up is okay, but one TARDIS destroys everything. And Davros wasn't worried about blowing up said TARDIS two years before. And breaking a fixed point kills time except if it's on Mars and a Time Lord does it? At least RTD's DEM didn't contradict itself in painfully obvious ways
Thedarkbunnyrabbit 2 weeks ago
@Thedarkbunnyrabbit so every explosion is the same? That's dumb enough not to address as was sobatoge. Besides which the other TARDISes were destroyed the timelords were around to clean up the mess. Davros was trying to destory the universe (for no god damn reason that anyone could discern) with his reality bomb, why would he care?! And the whole point of WoM ending is that the fixed point self corrected (stupid though it is that Adelades teleport wouldn't get more investigation).
redfieldblair 2 weeks ago
@redfieldblair Oh right, because the Silence could do to a TARDIS what no Dalek ever could. Because...um...because you forget them when you look away and they implant post-hypnotic suggestions! Also Doctor's Wife makes it pretty clear that now suddenly a TARDIS dying at all, even pre-Time War would do the same, which is in fact what the entire plot of the show is devoted to. Davros wanted to erase all of reality EXCEPT the Daleks. Blowing up the universe would...
Thedarkbunnyrabbit 1 week ago
@redfieldblair NOT destroy reality, as it's only an explosion, and would have no affect on timestreams it's not connected to (which, as season two establishes, is any other universe) and even if it did, it would ALSO destroy the Daleks, which he definitely didn't want. Yet, no one was concerned with the TARDIS overheating and dying by incineration might be a tiny bit of a road bump in their reality bomb plan. And yes, at the end the fix point self corrected, but so did Silencio
Thedarkbunnyrabbit 1 week ago
@redfieldblair Also, the Doctor got bad grades in school, but I find it a little bit hard for him to NOT know that breaking a fixed point 'kills time'. Remember the whole POINT was he decided he could decide what happened and what didn't. The point was not 'I am okay with time ending if it means I get my way', it was 'screw the future, from today I'm going to change it.' Also, if the fixed point was 'the Doctor dies at lake Silencio' or 'The astronaut kills the Doctor at Silencio'
Thedarkbunnyrabbit 1 week ago
@Thedarkbunnyrabbit I find a lot of RTD elements hard to swallow, but if Rose saving her father brought about the end of the world then he should have expected. I think the difference here is that you've accepted the nonsenses of the RTD era, which I haven't and then are judging everything else on them, whereas I tend to treat that era as the 'Time Space Visualiser', it didn't make any sense, it was a stupid idea, move on and never mention it again.
redfieldblair 1 week ago
@redfieldblair Rose caused a paradox because she crossed her own timeline and more importantly the Doctor's time line to alter her and his timeline in a completely different way. But if the Silencio fix broke time, do explain how Amy isn't a giant walking paradox after Girl Who Waited? The only part of the two Amys that was actually paradoxical was young Amy, not old Amy. She couldn't exist without old Amy to pull her through, who couldn't exist without her being left there 40yrs
Thedarkbunnyrabbit 6 days ago
@redfieldblair Silencio was never called a paradox, only a broken fixed point. If they're going to suddenly bring back paradox consequences though, I'd love to hear about the damage done Amy touching her younger self, and the Doctor changing Kazran's timeline so much he became unrecognizable to his own tech, and Kazran HUGGING himself. But regardless of what you think of RTD's reign, it came first. The show hasn't been rebooted, therefore what it set stands.
Thedarkbunnyrabbit 6 days ago
@redfieldblair You can't just ignore it, even if you don't like what it has, especially when you constantly reference other parts of it, or you look like you have no idea what you're doing. Like Moffat does currently.
Thedarkbunnyrabbit 6 days ago
@redfieldblair in which case, emptying the suit would not have stopped it. Since she still wasn't in control, it could have bludgeoned him to death or strangled him if it wanted (which would be very hard but not impossible), or he could provide it a way. By season six, as soon as he saved Adelaide even a little bit, all of time should have stopped because he just changed a fixed point, not it wait around for her to FIND a way to die somewhere ELSE.
Thedarkbunnyrabbit 1 week ago
@Thedarkbunnyrabbit wow that was ranty, and none of it made any sense. The stupid Adelaide ending was supposed to result in people being inspired by her, as time ran forward (without intervention) this occurred (though god only knows how it only warranted a one word change in a history book). WoRS was more akin to Fathers Day where time offered up a chance to repeat the mistake.
redfieldblair 1 week ago
@Thedarkbunnyrabbit Ignore all the idiots who refuse to acknowledge the inconsistencies of the new series. They don't want to see it. They want to believe that their beloved Moffat is perfect and makes little to no mistakes. That's a joke and a half. lol
Moffat has pretty good ideas but his lack of common sense ruins what could have been a really good story. Also he is not very good at the arc stories.
Doctor Who needs a new writer. A fresh new one who isn't an arrogant airhead. LOL!
sallyjosie 1 week ago
@sallyjosie Oh good lord, my kingdom of pretzels for a Who writer who ISN'T an arrogant ass. That'd be awesome. I'm not even sure why Moffat fans don't want to see his mistakes. I'm an RTD fan and I detest Midnight and am plenty baffled by some of his decisions. Moffat's problem is that he gets all these OMG COOL IDEAS and then doesn't bother to make them actually work with the story. Or A story, really.
Thedarkbunnyrabbit 6 days ago
@redfieldblair The fact that people are talking about the series, doesn't mean it was brilliant. It wasn't. This video proves it by detailing a plot that had potential but was ruined by Moffat's need to be clever. This season was thrown together, it sucks but it's true. So many blatant plotholes. Ex: Why did they raise Melody in 1969? Why did they allow her access to the outside world? How did Melody get to the 90's to grow up with her parents? Why should I care when the author clearly doesn't?
nenny189 5 months ago 8
@nenny189 are you really saying that technobabble makes good writing? The solution wasn't foreshadowed at all which is what made it so poor.
And where did I say it made it brilliant? I said quite the opposite, that finales under both show runners were nonsensical, just that under RTD the finales were *so* dumb that there was nothing to discuss.
redfieldblair 5 months ago
@redfieldblair Are you sure that's it? Trust me, I'm no RTD supporter, the mans writing had problems. However at least with an RTD final you got pay off, you under stood what was going on. The reason everyone talks about a Moffat final isn't because it's amazingly complex. It's because it makes no sense. Again, what was the point of anything in the season 6 final? Outside of the wedding and that five minute clip show at the end giving us answers, 10 minutes total, the rest was pointless.
nenny189 5 months ago 5
@nenny189 read what I said again. I said his finales were so simple it would be impossible to have a discussion of this length about them "aliens invade earth, companion/doctor gains super powers, *end*". And whilst I admit Moffats finales have flaws they are at least more imaginative.
Payoff in RTD finales? He could do a good build up but he could never close the deal (in Who that is, his writing outside of the show is bizarrely superb, not sure why he couldn't do Who).
redfieldblair 5 months ago
@malkura90210 I've taken the Litmus Test for Deus Ex River... three times the level of 'Kill it, Kill it Dead Mary Sue'...
moriwencartel 5 months ago
@malkura90210 Amen!! River sue. Amen. She's a joke. Now watch all the laughable "explanations" Moffy comes up with to explain all the plot holes.
I doubt I will even bother watching series 7.
Oh and if the Silence is the one who influenced ALL Human development then what happened to the Daemons? According to the 3rd Doctor in 'The Daemons' it was the Daemons who has been influencing the Human Race for thousands of years. So who is right? Did they work together or does someone....
sallyjosie 1 week ago
@sallyjosie soooomeone doesn't know Who history, obviously.
Thedarkbunnyrabbit 6 days ago
The only thing that was missing was the poison from the Judas Tree. Kovarian should have mentioned it, and then the other guy could be like "shouldn't we just have every single Silence agent armed with poisoned darts and try to shoot him at every opportunity?" And then Kovarian could be like "no! Because he has to be shot by the astronaut suit at Lake Silencio! Fixed point!"
But otherwise, this was perfect.
chinareds54 5 months ago 5
SO TRUE. XD
sunnytyler001 5 months ago 2
This is, in a word, BRILLIANT (and fricking hilarious) . You've pointed out all the biggest flaws with this series, it was overly convoluted when it didn't need to be and most of it could have been skipped, giving time for more decent episodes.
Yes and if someone would smack Moffat around the back of the head and take away his computer and all other writing implements before the next series, that'd be wonderful.
bluefog83 5 months ago 4
omg. laughing so hard. season six was the biggest. letdown. EVER. had some good episodes, but the ending? blech. I think Moffat just wants to #### on the classic series fans for the sake of his own little fangirl ego. can we get some better writers for series 7, say maybe a room of monkeys with typewriters?
Elsa4449 5 months ago 5
I didn't know they KNEW it was a fixed point in time, but if they did that bumps it down from vastly anticlimactic end to Anticlimatic end to a completely impossible plotline...
Btw, you sound like K-9 when you say "correct"...
TheGreatRukh02 5 months ago
This is a thing of beauty. Only thing I can think of is that Pregnant Amy was replaced with a ganger because the organization continued to work on her to insure that Melody was born a human/Time-lord. I don't know what they did exactly, but I seem to remember them mentioning that that was what happened. Doesn't take away from the rest of your argument, though...which is spot on.
Taur5684 5 months ago 2
thank you poparena, thank you.
Tatchi0glass0bender 5 months ago 2
THANK YOU for this! I can't say I'm waiting on the edge of my seat for the Christmas Special or next season. The Doctor/ River Song / Amy Pond storyline ended with a whimper and vast disappointment. We need a better head writer!
Rytor008 5 months ago 3
Wait, was it actually confirmed the Silence blew up the TARDIS.
Tseuhadon 5 months ago
Doctor Who's always been something that falls apart if you think about it too hard, but this really lost me. I'm basically hanging in there for Murray Gold's work now.
Rmlohner 5 months ago 5
... You know, series six was actually looking good until you pointed this out. I mean, sure Russel T. Davies had his flaws but I don't recall him ever doing something like this. Even Trial of a Time Lord seemed to make more sense than this.
Tseuhadon 5 months ago 44
@Tseuhadon The writing for each individual episode is still amazing. As you said, flaws don't stop someone or something from being great. Enjoy it for what it is~
Shinkada 5 months ago
Loved Moffat when I watched last season. He tied everything together brilliantly. It felt a lot like the Key of Time season back in the day, except now it was the viewers going on quests for the pieces of a puzzle that would be assembled at the end of the season instead of the characters. This year it felt like he was just trying to one-up himself. It didn't work.
And is every season going to end with the Doctor making some heroic act of self-sacrifice? Because if it does, how will Smith's
aperson22222 5 months ago
final episode feel special? You always knew that the Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, Ninth and Tenth Doctors would be willing to do something like turn himself in to the Time Lords in order to derail an evil plot, make a spider queen zap him with her radiation gun instead of turning it on the rest of the universe, fight the Master to the death so he couldn't use mind control, give Peri the antidote when there was only enough for one dose, suck the Time Vortex out of Rose, or get zapped in Wilf's
aperson22222 5 months ago
place; but you didn't see them doing so all the time! That's why their regeneration episodes felt so special. If this keeps up, Eleven's final episode will be greeted with a shrug and "Huh, I guess this time he couldn't magic up a way to have his cake and eat it too."
aperson22222 5 months ago 4
5:18 Get Romana to do it. It's probably no harder to breach the Time Lock than it is to go through all of this. Bad guys do it all the time.
aperson22222 5 months ago 2