Zabuza would destroy him. I admit Kisame is more powerful or whatever, but zabuza is a more effective killer. Not to mention if kisame gets caught in hidden mist jutsu it's pretty much over. I don't think Kisame can do anything against it.
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@TheLucifer696 lol i agree with u 2 guys but.....zabuza isnt even oen of my favs...no offence btu for some reason to me he just isnt all that cool..and obviously kisame wouldnt only pwn the mob...he woul dpwn zauba hard...i mean have u seen samehada fusion?! its ultimate pwnation...i mean killer bee nearly died and that wasnt even the real kisame...plus...kisame can hide inside his own sword..what can zabuza do? kisame can makeadesert in the middle of a desert..and what can zabuza do? NOTHING!
of the seven swordsmen Kisame is the first... zabuza is the fifth... zabuza are realy strong and shuld be pretty close to kisame but he got to fight kakashi thats why he looked so weak.. but Zabuza is a demon himself O.o kakashi cheated becuse of his sharingan! its not even his own! Dx Kakashi without sharingan would not be anything for Zabuza
@kabla13 kakashi+sharingan=chidori/his nickname... that's about it :p, though chidori is his only jutsu that is his originally, and rest of his are stolen XD
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Oh, please, like there's any chance of this being real. Kisame would just flick Zabuza, and he'd be dead. Kisame could kick his ass even without his sword.
@DaGeniusOne Zabuza had no arms..all he used was a knife in his mouth...and he wasnt even trying to kill the mob..he was after 1 person and he was severely injured
the mob didnt kill him, he was already gonna die because of the long ass fight he had
@DaGeniusOne oh yea especially if doesnt have the use of his arms. listen to yourself kisame isnt half as strong as he usually is without semeada and the use of his arms. not to mention zabuza was the only regular person with a regular sword in the 7 ninja swordsmen and thats saying something. ofcourse kisame could beat zabuza kisame is a monster but seriously if he didnt have his sword and his arms he would be destroyed by those 50 guys with pitchforks as ou put it.
@number3665 Have you been watching these most recent mangas dude? Seriously. Before he even had samehada he slaughtered an entire team of ANBU and fended off some Konoha ninja at the same time or did you miss that one? And he just fought Guy and all of them while Samehada was in Killer Bee's possession. So yea. You're right. If it was opposites day that is.
@number3665 And plus his chakras reserves are still high without samehada AND if i recall correctly, Zabuza was killed ahem "BY 50 MEN WITH PITCHFORKS" while he was still in possession of his sword. Sooo...unless i'm missing something here/..
@DaGeniusOne zabuza did not have possesion of his sword because he couldnt even pick it up. and zabuza killed every chunin in the chunin exams before he had even entered the ninja academy and it was actually 25 guys that killed him he killed the other 25 with that one kunai in his mouth. plus you are trying to compare a kisame with pleanty of chakra reserves and his arms so he could still perform jutsu with a zabuza with no chakra reseves left and no arms so he could not do jutsu.
@number3665 Woooow. 25 CHUNIN?NO WAY. TRY A WHOLE TEAM OF ANBU. and he didn't need Samehada to do that or to fend off Guy, Yamato, Naruto, and those other people. Zabuza could barely fend off Naruto, Kakashi, Sasuke, and Sakura BEFORE THE TIMESKIP. Its okay i understand. You miss Zabuza. But to further my arguement, he killed his former master with his little normal Katana, while his master had Samehada. AND he was good at Taijutsu. Meaning he doesn't need his arms. Keep it coming.
@DaGeniusOne a whole team of anbu? man quit playing with me there were like 5 anbu there mabe even 10 and kakashi has shown us how weak anbu are compared to special jonin. and man he didnt fend off anybody he was trying to get the fuck outta ther lol and he fought guy and lost. also zabuza had team 7 beat he couldve killed kakashi like that he was just too arrogant. remember he had him trapped. now kisame now can beat zabuza back then but if he had stayed alive and continued to train diff story
@DaGeniusOne also there wasnt 25 chunin as you put it lol it was 100 and he did it when he was about 7 or 8. nd taijutsu means he doesnt need his arms? since when taijutsu revolves around hand to hand combat meaning you need arms to be good at taijutsu. also if you check the data books kisame was stronger than kakashi but zabuza was still able to trap kakashi, and now after the time skip kakashi is stronger than kisame. kisame's stats now add u to 32.5 zabuza's before he died was 30.5
@number3665 Taijutsu means he could use his legs. Orochimaru didn't exactly need chakra or his arms to fight he had his arms sealed and when Kabuto wasn't with him he still fought USING HIS LEGS AGAINST TWO OTHER SANNIN
@DaGeniusOne i think i went over this already but look at how orochimaru and zabuza moved. they couldnt fight to their full potential not even to full taijutsu potential so they used speed and agility. really look at their body movements how they jumped how they dodged they were using defensive moves as offensive moves.
@number3665 BUT THEY USED THEIR LEGS AND MOUTHS! WHICH IS STILL CONSIDERED TAIJUTSU! stop getting off topic. And if you can turn Defense into offense, doesn't that still make you good a taijutsu?
@DaGeniusOne agility and speed on there own are measured from taijutsu thats why i said its not taijutsu level. you might by agile at all but still have killer taijutsu
@number3665 And plus u didn''t factor in Kakashi's element or anything compared to Zabuzas u are putting up half assed and badly thought up arguments man its getting annoying. When you can fight well using just your legs, you are good at taijutsu. Think about what you just wrote. Thats like saying being good at football requires good foot movement but if you can still score with no feet aren't you still considered good at football? And to compare CHUNIN to freakin ANBU...tsk tsk.
@DaGeniusOne i dont know why i need to factor in kakashi's element i was just using him as a small example. kakashi is stronger than kisame in the data books he's at 34.5 and did it all in like 3 years. so you are telling me if he could go up 4.5 points in 3 years zabuza cant do atleast 2.5. also ill say it one more time because you keep disreguarding it kisame's power level was the same in before the time skip as it is now he did not get any stronger.
@number3665 What i am saying , like you're saying Zabuza "Could've" trained 2.5 above, Kisame "Could've" trained as well. Thats a double edged sword. And how am i to disregard something that was never brought up?My example of half assed right there but don't think im insulting your intelligence im just insulting the half assedness of your comments. If im 2.5 points stronger than you in the ninjutsu category but your a wind type and im an electric type...my point value is kind of useless.
@DaGeniusOne but thats the thing it isnt 2-5 in ninjutsu it all adds up taijutsu level, ninjutsu level, intelligence level, speed level, strength level, genjutsu level, and stamina level. couldve yes it couldve happend both ways true but if zabuza had stayed alive the chance that he wouldve gotten stronger are way higher than kisame's. because kisame was a monster he knew he didnt need to get anystronger which is why he didnt, zabuza did he and hakua trained alot.
@number3665 But ill give you something Zabuza did look pretty cool but its a genrally accepted and known fact that Kisame was stronger WITHOUT the sword.
@DaGeniusOne zabuza failed to kill the mizukage yes but he was also weaker then. and by no chakra i ment not enough to do any jutsu really. another thing oro and zabuza was using speed and agility to fight when they couldnt use their arms watch the episodes. also kisame didnt get anystronger because in the data books his power level didnt go up at all it stayed at that same 32.5 through that whole series so no he wasnt taking strolls on the beach but he sure as hell wast trying to get stronger
@DaGeniusOne kisame was stronger because kisame was older he had more time to train but when he stopped training because he felt no need to get stronger zabuza continued to get stronger and once again 2.5 points in like 3 years is easy to do.
@DaGeniusOne and you should know how big a deifference 4 years has especially when it comes to anime like DBZ and Naruto so dont act like it doesnt. here is another example kisame graduated from the academy when he was 10 zabuza did it when he was 9 but since kisame was 4 years older that gave him 4 years of expirence, intelligence, and training under his belt. when he was getting stronger and training zabuza was 6 still playing with toys.
@DaGeniusOne well if you wanna be able to kill only chunin you dont need anymore training but if you want some real fights and become an anbu like he did you do
@DaGeniusOne in order for him to get any higher from being a chunin he had to train otherwise he would have never made it into the anbu squad in the first place or akutiski.
@DaGeniusOne ill even give you one more lets say im in 8th grade and you're 4 years older than me so you're a senior in highschool. you have 4years of expirence over me so you would know way more than i do and be better at damn near everything.
@number3665 Not necessarily that all depends on my mental capacity compared yo yours because i am a junior in high school and there are some college students which i'm sure i'm smarter than and no i'm 16 and my cousin is twelve and he is better at basketball then me lol
@DaGeniusOne lastly my arguments arent half asses its just so simple to see, no zabuza wasnt stronger than kisame but he could've gotten stronger than him in those 3 years, that this is all i have to put into this argument
@DaGeniusOne sorry to make so many posts but i just noticed something. you said kisame killed his master with a regular katana? no disrespect but bullshit research it kisame waited for him to let his guard down when he was at a meeting and killed him. and he didnt even do it in person it was like a trap becuase the body if you look at it had like kunai attached to chains comming out of it
@number3665 And i don't mind the posts im enjoying this lol usually my arguements or debates only last like three posts so its good to find an opponent lol
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@number3665 And that still doesn't matter because if you're a swordsman of the seven mist you should be prepared for traps even Naruto has avoided traps pre timeskip and you're guard should never be down especially if you are a traitor.
@DaGeniusOne he thought he was so good he wouldnt get caught so hey his fault. and orochimaru let his guard down thats why he got his arms sealed and the 3rd found his secret lab before he left konoha. it all has to do with ego people who have a big ego and think im too good to get caught are the ones that do
@DaGeniusOne if you putkisame in zabuza's position take away all his chakra and his arms so he cant do any jutsu and put him against those many people he would not win. plus have you seen the new manga kisame killed himself.
@number3665 I GUARANDAMNTEE you he wouldn't die. Lol is anybody fully comprehending my comments?Kisame would do what Zabuza did but only better and every jutsu doesn't require hand seals guys just face it. Kisame is an entirely higher class dude. And technically he didn't kill himself the sharks he summoned ate him lol and what does that have to do with how strong he is? And umm...If someone has no chakra buddy...their dead. Look it up.
@DaGeniusOne umm how about if kisame was beaten the shit out of and then lost the abilitie to use both arms? Could he still dash through a freakin army of thugs and kill most of them and gato?
@DaGeniusOne What narutopedia? It just says kisame has the most feared sword or something like that out of the sevens swordsmen, and he has chakra and yatayata. It never said he had enough skill and stamina to kill all those guys with a mere kunai in his mouth.
@Litherix No not Narutopedia the OFFICIAL DATABOOK made by Mishimoto himself. Look it up on Google. It ranks each character in each category like Ninjutsu, Taijutsu, Etc..
Kisame and zabuza where both part of the 7 legendary ninja but kisame is also in the akatsuki he is way better if you seen him fight for real like in shippuden just as the 2 hokage he could make water from which there was none zabuza on the other hand always had to be near water!!!!
kisame is a s-class criminal hes in akatski.... zabuza umm jounin level ninja knows not much jutsus(hes strongest 1 is water drangon jutsu) kisame alive zabuza dead in the first naruto episodes simple kisame will pwn zabuza
zazbuza is only dead because of his luck...he had 2 go up against kakashi...if it was the other way around and kisame had 2 fight kakashi i have no doubt that he wouldnt be alive lol just my opinion
yea zabuza is dead but i dont think kisame would have done a much more better job fighting 50 men with swords,pitchforks and arrows, with both of his arms sealed.
obviously zabuza's the man he could kill kisame in two seconds with his mist techniche and he had kakashi beat of course they had to save kakashi or the show would be over
well Kisame is the stronger out of the 2, he was the strongest one out of the seven swordsmen of the mist. I mean the guy makes oceans in a desert and can solo a jinchuuriki.
Kisame not that strong he cant beat gai and kakashi has beating gai then zabuza beat kakashi easy come on now. zabuza is good in water also he does know alot of water trick of has own and where does it say kisame is better then all the 7 sword man i only saw 3 and none of them say they the best and u forgot zabuza can make a mist to hide him self
oh yea hes not strong thats why he took on gai with only 30% of his strength and forced to open up to 6 gates, oh and that he can take on a jinchuuriki by himself and referred to Zabuza as a kid, and when did Zabuza ever beat Kakashi? whos the one thats dead? i know your a Zabuza nuthugger but you gotta learn your stuff.
when he got kakashi in the water ball so he can die slowy but naruto sasuke stop befor he can do it if they where not there he could of kill him and the only reason he die he was piss off when haku die and didnt use his head and also he didnt know much about sharin gan if he did he would of kill him
Kisame has the strongest sword and has approximately the same amount of Chakra as a Jinchuuriki. Zabuza was nailed with Kakashi's Chidori which would cause Zabuza to die over-time. Zabuza may have excellent senses and the Kirigakure but the Sharingan can see through most techniques. Gato's army of thieves impaled Zabuza with all those weapons and that's when he died.
I like Zabuza better but Kakashi is stronger then him, he just didn't expect Zabuza to be as strong as he was and was unprepared, as for Kisame i think Kakashi is stronger, by the way i stopped watching at the episode in shippuden with the Ichibi is being obtained by Akasuki
and only reason kakashi beat zabuza cuz he didnt know much about sharin gan so kakashi use that to beat him and + he was so mad that haku die he was not useing his head much he just wanted to kill him for haku death but if he fights kisame he will know his moves The Demon Of the Mist Village
and the only reason kisame is good he steal people chakra but like i said zabuza he dont use his chakra he use mostly his sword
no kisame would own zabuza since he reffered zabuza as a kid and kisame has the most chakra in the akatsuki and he also forced gai to open around i dunno 3-4 gates to beat him so its obvious kisame would win
gai cant beat kakashi and zabuza beat him so easy he would of kill kakashi but sasuke and naruto stop befor he could and so what who has the most charka. sakura beat sasori even through he had alot of chakra and zabuza dont use much of his chakra. he use mostly his sword
zabuza would of kill kakashi if naruto ,sasuke and sakura was not there to help and if zazbuza was still alive he would of been stronger by the days if he just train and learn new stuff just like sasuke and naruto either way no one knows who will win and remeber its not who have the better blade its about the man who know how to use it
kisame would rape zabuza zabuzas sword is just a normal sword kisame would hit zabuza with his samehada and drain his chakra taking away a key part of zabuza
Sorry, but you can't say for sure Zabuza would lose. Because in order for Kisame's sword to drain his opponents chakra, it requires his own chakra. And we don't know Zabuza's full strength, or the true limits of his chakra either. Because look at Zabuza's stats which are Pre-Chuunin Exams, and give them a part 2 boost. Then look at Ksame's part 2 stats, and I guarantee Zabuza's part 2 boost would pass Kisame's.
im sure thats true too. but their is another stronger water style shinobi on sasuke's team. i cant remember wat his name is but he is a seven swordsman too
this goes for u too you guys are all asshole suigetsu is not one of the seven swordsmen he was a trainee kisame vs zabuza is no contest read it it simply say kisame was the best swordsmen of the mist got it ok
kisame and zabuza are both good water style users but in a fight zabuza would win kisame has only more chakra but hes not skilled beeng atteked by unseen
your dumb kisame is better his clone had more chakra then naruto and it was keeping up with gai one kakashi say isequal to him but we all know if gai goes gates he would beat him but anyway ya kisame is better
ur nuts zabuza could never stand up to kisame .kisame already said he was jus a kid compared to him and that kakashi accomplished nothin by killin zabuza
Even in shippuden Zabuza is revered. Though Kisami would still win. He calls Zabuza "the young Zabuza" and Siugetsu the second coming of Zabuza the devil.
Where Zabuza would stand if he fought a non sharingan user, is still a mystery. But he is considered to be very strong. Though I doubt at the Kage level, like the Akatsuki.
It's funny because some people say Zabuza was weak. Thats not true, Itachi warned Kisami not to fight Kakashi, because of the sharingan, it gives an advantage against fighters like Zabuza and Kisami. It doesn't mean that Zabuza is weak.
He is a jonin, and it means he's no pushover. If a guy like Kisami thinks highly of him, then it means something.
zabuz is strong kakashi even said he couldn't beat him without using his sharingan eye but kakashi would beat kisame cause he is very strong he was even famous
there was no leader and they were never together in a group. they were just a title given to 7 individuals who had to go through the whole kill your comrades to pass the graduation thing. this went on for 7 years. but after the 7th year the mist village stopped, and started doing normal exams
Zabuza would own mace180 is totaly right man zabuza has a bett sword and is veery experienced man he almost killed kakashi and in the itachi and kakashi fight kisame did nothing lol
NO KAKSHI DID NOT BEAT ITACHI THAT WAS AN AKATSUKI SPY AND ITACHI POURED 30% OF HIS CHAKRA IN TO HIM AND IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY BRAINS AT ALL YOU WOULD KNOW THAT ZABUZA COULDNT EVEN BEAT KAKSHI IN THE REALLY EALY EPISODES YOU KNOW PEOPLE GET STRONGER RIGHT KAKASHI GOT WHOLE LOT!! STRONGER SO NOW IF YOU PAIRED KAKASHI AGAINST ZABUZA IN THE CURRENT EPISODE IT WOULD ONLY TAke kakashi about2 minutes and the fight is over!!! spoiler SASUKE KILLS ITACHI IN SHIPPUDEN KISAME IS CLOSE TO ITACHIS STRENGTH
DavidWilliamsmms itachi died on purpose because itachi wanted sasuke to get the new sharigan plus if you saw the battle between gai and kisame you can see that kisame only used 30% of his chalkra and gai used alot
yeah i know i just recently wached the shippuden he does basuically let him win and he was in horrible and i mean like frikken horrible shape when he was fight sasuke and almost took sasukes eyes out and still was too much for sasuke... yeah man itachi is pretty strong...
Kisami would win, but it would not be as easy as some people say. Kisami would win because the buttloads of chakra he has, not because Zabuza is weak. It is the highest in the Akatsuki. Pein mentioned that.
Kisami would have trouble with kakashi to. Itachi warned him against fighting kakashi, that says something about their weakness against sharingan users.
True but the sharingan can wipe them out no matter how strong. Zabuza is still considered strong in Shipuuden but Kakashi defeated him with the sharingan. My guess is he would have done similar to Kisami, worse if he uses Mangyekyou (I know i misspelled that).
Zabuza would destroy him. I admit Kisame is more powerful or whatever, but zabuza is a more effective killer. Not to mention if kisame gets caught in hidden mist jutsu it's pretty much over. I don't think Kisame can do anything against it.
Litherix 5 months ago
kisame vs zabuza?? kismae could kill him even without his über sword
sjors16aap 1 year ago
uhhm if kisam was so much stronger
( what i dont believe)
why did he got owned by guy xD
Guy rules
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IronhideFire99 1 year ago
They're both my favorite chars in the show, even though zabuza is gone, i still rate him higher than most of the main characters lol
(its also obvious that kisame would win but i still prefer zabuza =D)
Ryuukazekage 1 year ago
@Ryuukazekage same here bro :)
TheLucifer696 1 year ago
@TheLucifer696 lol i agree with u 2 guys but.....zabuza isnt even oen of my favs...no offence btu for some reason to me he just isnt all that cool..and obviously kisame wouldnt only pwn the mob...he woul dpwn zauba hard...i mean have u seen samehada fusion?! its ultimate pwnation...i mean killer bee nearly died and that wasnt even the real kisame...plus...kisame can hide inside his own sword..what can zabuza do? kisame can makeadesert in the middle of a desert..and what can zabuza do? NOTHING!
sixsixalex1 1 year ago
of the seven swordsmen Kisame is the first... zabuza is the fifth... zabuza are realy strong and shuld be pretty close to kisame but he got to fight kakashi thats why he looked so weak.. but Zabuza is a demon himself O.o kakashi cheated becuse of his sharingan! its not even his own! Dx Kakashi without sharingan would not be anything for Zabuza
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I'm pretty sure that if he DIDN'T have the Sharingan, he could've been stronger, he relied too much on it, and it also drains his mana like a bitch.
If he didn't get it he would've probably trained more.
kabla13 1 year ago
@kabla13 kakashi+sharingan=chidori/his nickname... that's about it :p, though chidori is his only jutsu that is his originally, and rest of his are stolen XD
desroyol 1 year ago
zabuzas the second, not fifth
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lionmaster025 2 years ago
it sucks
2009pinkpinkpink 2 years ago
Oh, please, like there's any chance of this being real. Kisame would just flick Zabuza, and he'd be dead. Kisame could kick his ass even without his sword.
rocker23220 2 years ago
@rocker23220 I dont think :)
Astartas 1 year ago
LMAO
mymsong 2 years ago
Kisame wuldnt get killed by 50 men with pitchforks and stuff. He wuld slaughter them in one jutsu
DaGeniusOne 2 years ago 6
zabuza only died of that becuz he fought against kakashi first and got his arms paraylized and was not able to preform a jutsu
ProFishingGuys 1 year ago
@DaGeniusOne Zabuza had no arms..all he used was a knife in his mouth...and he wasnt even trying to kill the mob..he was after 1 person and he was severely injured
the mob didnt kill him, he was already gonna die because of the long ass fight he had
wowwow180 1 year ago
@DaGeniusOne oh yea especially if doesnt have the use of his arms. listen to yourself kisame isnt half as strong as he usually is without semeada and the use of his arms. not to mention zabuza was the only regular person with a regular sword in the 7 ninja swordsmen and thats saying something. ofcourse kisame could beat zabuza kisame is a monster but seriously if he didnt have his sword and his arms he would be destroyed by those 50 guys with pitchforks as ou put it.
number3665 1 year ago
@number3665 Have you been watching these most recent mangas dude? Seriously. Before he even had samehada he slaughtered an entire team of ANBU and fended off some Konoha ninja at the same time or did you miss that one? And he just fought Guy and all of them while Samehada was in Killer Bee's possession. So yea. You're right. If it was opposites day that is.
DaGeniusOne 1 year ago
@number3665 And plus his chakras reserves are still high without samehada AND if i recall correctly, Zabuza was killed ahem "BY 50 MEN WITH PITCHFORKS" while he was still in possession of his sword. Sooo...unless i'm missing something here/..
DaGeniusOne 1 year ago
@DaGeniusOne zabuza did not have possesion of his sword because he couldnt even pick it up. and zabuza killed every chunin in the chunin exams before he had even entered the ninja academy and it was actually 25 guys that killed him he killed the other 25 with that one kunai in his mouth. plus you are trying to compare a kisame with pleanty of chakra reserves and his arms so he could still perform jutsu with a zabuza with no chakra reseves left and no arms so he could not do jutsu.
number3665 1 year ago
@number3665 Woooow. 25 CHUNIN?NO WAY. TRY A WHOLE TEAM OF ANBU. and he didn't need Samehada to do that or to fend off Guy, Yamato, Naruto, and those other people. Zabuza could barely fend off Naruto, Kakashi, Sasuke, and Sakura BEFORE THE TIMESKIP. Its okay i understand. You miss Zabuza. But to further my arguement, he killed his former master with his little normal Katana, while his master had Samehada. AND he was good at Taijutsu. Meaning he doesn't need his arms. Keep it coming.
DaGeniusOne 1 year ago
@DaGeniusOne a whole team of anbu? man quit playing with me there were like 5 anbu there mabe even 10 and kakashi has shown us how weak anbu are compared to special jonin. and man he didnt fend off anybody he was trying to get the fuck outta ther lol and he fought guy and lost. also zabuza had team 7 beat he couldve killed kakashi like that he was just too arrogant. remember he had him trapped. now kisame now can beat zabuza back then but if he had stayed alive and continued to train diff story
number3665 1 year ago
@DaGeniusOne also there wasnt 25 chunin as you put it lol it was 100 and he did it when he was about 7 or 8. nd taijutsu means he doesnt need his arms? since when taijutsu revolves around hand to hand combat meaning you need arms to be good at taijutsu. also if you check the data books kisame was stronger than kakashi but zabuza was still able to trap kakashi, and now after the time skip kakashi is stronger than kisame. kisame's stats now add u to 32.5 zabuza's before he died was 30.5
number3665 1 year ago
@number3665 Taijutsu means he could use his legs. Orochimaru didn't exactly need chakra or his arms to fight he had his arms sealed and when Kabuto wasn't with him he still fought USING HIS LEGS AGAINST TWO OTHER SANNIN
DaGeniusOne 1 year ago
@DaGeniusOne i think i went over this already but look at how orochimaru and zabuza moved. they couldnt fight to their full potential not even to full taijutsu potential so they used speed and agility. really look at their body movements how they jumped how they dodged they were using defensive moves as offensive moves.
number3665 1 year ago
@number3665 BUT THEY USED THEIR LEGS AND MOUTHS! WHICH IS STILL CONSIDERED TAIJUTSU! stop getting off topic. And if you can turn Defense into offense, doesn't that still make you good a taijutsu?
DaGeniusOne 1 year ago
@DaGeniusOne agility and speed on there own are measured from taijutsu thats why i said its not taijutsu level. you might by agile at all but still have killer taijutsu
number3665 1 year ago
@number3665 And plus u didn''t factor in Kakashi's element or anything compared to Zabuzas u are putting up half assed and badly thought up arguments man its getting annoying. When you can fight well using just your legs, you are good at taijutsu. Think about what you just wrote. Thats like saying being good at football requires good foot movement but if you can still score with no feet aren't you still considered good at football? And to compare CHUNIN to freakin ANBU...tsk tsk.
DaGeniusOne 1 year ago
@DaGeniusOne i dont know why i need to factor in kakashi's element i was just using him as a small example. kakashi is stronger than kisame in the data books he's at 34.5 and did it all in like 3 years. so you are telling me if he could go up 4.5 points in 3 years zabuza cant do atleast 2.5. also ill say it one more time because you keep disreguarding it kisame's power level was the same in before the time skip as it is now he did not get any stronger.
number3665 1 year ago
@number3665 What i am saying , like you're saying Zabuza "Could've" trained 2.5 above, Kisame "Could've" trained as well. Thats a double edged sword. And how am i to disregard something that was never brought up?My example of half assed right there but don't think im insulting your intelligence im just insulting the half assedness of your comments. If im 2.5 points stronger than you in the ninjutsu category but your a wind type and im an electric type...my point value is kind of useless.
DaGeniusOne 1 year ago
@DaGeniusOne but thats the thing it isnt 2-5 in ninjutsu it all adds up taijutsu level, ninjutsu level, intelligence level, speed level, strength level, genjutsu level, and stamina level. couldve yes it couldve happend both ways true but if zabuza had stayed alive the chance that he wouldve gotten stronger are way higher than kisame's. because kisame was a monster he knew he didnt need to get anystronger which is why he didnt, zabuza did he and hakua trained alot.
number3665 1 year ago
@DaGeniusOne in those like 3 years after that im pretty damn sure zabuza couldve surpassed those 2.5 points
number3665 1 year ago
@number3665 Well what do you think Kisame would be doing in the meantime?Sunny strolls on the beach?He would be training too. Just face it.
DaGeniusOne 1 year ago
@number3665 But ill give you something Zabuza did look pretty cool but its a genrally accepted and known fact that Kisame was stronger WITHOUT the sword.
DaGeniusOne 1 year ago
@DaGeniusOne zabuza failed to kill the mizukage yes but he was also weaker then. and by no chakra i ment not enough to do any jutsu really. another thing oro and zabuza was using speed and agility to fight when they couldnt use their arms watch the episodes. also kisame didnt get anystronger because in the data books his power level didnt go up at all it stayed at that same 32.5 through that whole series so no he wasnt taking strolls on the beach but he sure as hell wast trying to get stronger
number3665 1 year ago
And Zabuza failed in assassinating the Mizukage. KISAME ASSASSINNATED A DAIMYO!.
DaGeniusOne 1 year ago
@DaGeniusOne kisame was stronger because kisame was older he had more time to train but when he stopped training because he felt no need to get stronger zabuza continued to get stronger and once again 2.5 points in like 3 years is easy to do.
number3665 1 year ago
@number3665 Wooow! 4 years age difference! No F'kin way!! He had to be soooo much stronger than him if he was four years older.
DaGeniusOne 1 year ago
@DaGeniusOne and you should know how big a deifference 4 years has especially when it comes to anime like DBZ and Naruto so dont act like it doesnt. here is another example kisame graduated from the academy when he was 10 zabuza did it when he was 9 but since kisame was 4 years older that gave him 4 years of expirence, intelligence, and training under his belt. when he was getting stronger and training zabuza was 6 still playing with toys.
number3665 1 year ago
@number3665 Well apparenty, if he could slaughter "!00 chunin" he didn't need any extra training, huh?
DaGeniusOne 1 year ago
@DaGeniusOne well if you wanna be able to kill only chunin you dont need anymore training but if you want some real fights and become an anbu like he did you do
number3665 1 year ago
@number3665 And who says Kisame was training the entire time?
DaGeniusOne 1 year ago
@DaGeniusOne in order for him to get any higher from being a chunin he had to train otherwise he would have never made it into the anbu squad in the first place or akutiski.
number3665 1 year ago
@DaGeniusOne ill even give you one more lets say im in 8th grade and you're 4 years older than me so you're a senior in highschool. you have 4years of expirence over me so you would know way more than i do and be better at damn near everything.
number3665 1 year ago
@number3665 Not necessarily that all depends on my mental capacity compared yo yours because i am a junior in high school and there are some college students which i'm sure i'm smarter than and no i'm 16 and my cousin is twelve and he is better at basketball then me lol
DaGeniusOne 1 year ago
@DaGeniusOne haha well you got me there im not good at basket ball either lol
number3665 1 year ago
@DaGeniusOne lastly my arguments arent half asses its just so simple to see, no zabuza wasnt stronger than kisame but he could've gotten stronger than him in those 3 years, that this is all i have to put into this argument
number3665 1 year ago
@DaGeniusOne sorry to make so many posts but i just noticed something. you said kisame killed his master with a regular katana? no disrespect but bullshit research it kisame waited for him to let his guard down when he was at a meeting and killed him. and he didnt even do it in person it was like a trap becuase the body if you look at it had like kunai attached to chains comming out of it
number3665 1 year ago
@number3665 And i don't mind the posts im enjoying this lol usually my arguements or debates only last like three posts so its good to find an opponent lol
DaGeniusOne 1 year ago
@DaGeniusOne lol then you should join nwanime . com lits of topics to argue and many more worth opponets im also on their if you join look me up my name is the4thsanin and yes i know its a contridiction there were just so many people already with the name hanzo i decided to get creative XD
number3665 1 year ago
@number3665 And that still doesn't matter because if you're a swordsman of the seven mist you should be prepared for traps even Naruto has avoided traps pre timeskip and you're guard should never be down especially if you are a traitor.
DaGeniusOne 1 year ago
@DaGeniusOne he thought he was so good he wouldnt get caught so hey his fault. and orochimaru let his guard down thats why he got his arms sealed and the 3rd found his secret lab before he left konoha. it all has to do with ego people who have a big ego and think im too good to get caught are the ones that do
number3665 1 year ago
@number3665 He still had chakra dipshit if he didn't he would've been dead.
DaGeniusOne 1 year ago
@DaGeniusOne if you putkisame in zabuza's position take away all his chakra and his arms so he cant do any jutsu and put him against those many people he would not win. plus have you seen the new manga kisame killed himself.
number3665 1 year ago
@number3665 I GUARANDAMNTEE you he wouldn't die. Lol is anybody fully comprehending my comments?Kisame would do what Zabuza did but only better and every jutsu doesn't require hand seals guys just face it. Kisame is an entirely higher class dude. And technically he didn't kill himself the sharks he summoned ate him lol and what does that have to do with how strong he is? And umm...If someone has no chakra buddy...their dead. Look it up.
DaGeniusOne 1 year ago
@DaGeniusOne Zabuza could'nt use jutsu his arms were bugered but Kisame is still stronger
grierson123456 5 months ago
@DaGeniusOne umm how about if kisame was beaten the shit out of and then lost the abilitie to use both arms? Could he still dash through a freakin army of thugs and kill most of them and gato?
Litherix 5 months ago
@Litherix Uhhh...YEAH! "Tailed Beast Without A Tail" mean anything to you?
DaGeniusOne 5 months ago
@DaGeniusOne I dont think so since he can't use hand seals if he was in zabuza's state.
Litherix 5 months ago
@Litherix He doesn't need hand seals. He's just better than Zabuza. Even the databooks say so, its' not just my opinion.
DaGeniusOne 5 months ago
@DaGeniusOne What narutopedia? It just says kisame has the most feared sword or something like that out of the sevens swordsmen, and he has chakra and yatayata. It never said he had enough skill and stamina to kill all those guys with a mere kunai in his mouth.
Litherix 5 months ago
@Litherix No not Narutopedia the OFFICIAL DATABOOK made by Mishimoto himself. Look it up on Google. It ranks each character in each category like Ninjutsu, Taijutsu, Etc..
DaGeniusOne 5 months ago
Ohhh all this bullshit all we know who is the best NARUTO
MrNikkib14 2 years ago
LOL NOT!!
4699471 2 years ago
Kisame and zabuza where both part of the 7 legendary ninja but kisame is also in the akatsuki he is way better if you seen him fight for real like in shippuden just as the 2 hokage he could make water from which there was none zabuza on the other hand always had to be near water!!!!
XMarkstheGamer 2 years ago
esto es un chiste?
Yowarde 2 years ago
kisame is a s-class criminal hes in akatski.... zabuza umm jounin level ninja knows not much jutsus(hes strongest 1 is water drangon jutsu) kisame alive zabuza dead in the first naruto episodes simple kisame will pwn zabuza
tdipepsi 2 years ago
zazbuza is only dead because of his luck...he had 2 go up against kakashi...if it was the other way around and kisame had 2 fight kakashi i have no doubt that he wouldnt be alive lol just my opinion
4699471 2 years ago
exactly the odds were stacked against him. after having a long battle with kakashi a whole army of men starts attacking him.
goodies4sure 2 years ago
lol
4699471 2 years ago
yea zabuza is dead but i dont think kisame would have done a much more better job fighting 50 men with swords,pitchforks and arrows, with both of his arms sealed.
goodies4sure 2 years ago
that was crap....
amberskysuperstar 2 years ago
obviously zabuza's the man he could kill kisame in two seconds with his mist techniche and he had kakashi beat of course they had to save kakashi or the show would be over
Tyler3594 2 years ago
well Kisame is the stronger out of the 2, he was the strongest one out of the seven swordsmen of the mist. I mean the guy makes oceans in a desert and can solo a jinchuuriki.
omgstoptakingnames 2 years ago 4
Kisame not that strong he cant beat gai and kakashi has beating gai then zabuza beat kakashi easy come on now. zabuza is good in water also he does know alot of water trick of has own and where does it say kisame is better then all the 7 sword man i only saw 3 and none of them say they the best and u forgot zabuza can make a mist to hide him self
pakman903 2 years ago
oh yea hes not strong thats why he took on gai with only 30% of his strength and forced to open up to 6 gates, oh and that he can take on a jinchuuriki by himself and referred to Zabuza as a kid, and when did Zabuza ever beat Kakashi? whos the one thats dead? i know your a Zabuza nuthugger but you gotta learn your stuff.
omgstoptakingnames 2 years ago
when he got kakashi in the water ball so he can die slowy but naruto sasuke stop befor he can do it if they where not there he could of kill him and the only reason he die he was piss off when haku die and didnt use his head and also he didnt know much about sharin gan if he did he would of kill him
pakman903 2 years ago
guess what he still lost, i can say the same thing when kisame had everyone in a water ball too but got saved.
omgstoptakingnames 2 years ago
they save them self..
pakman903 2 years ago
ya but b4 shippuden when he fought gai he couldn't win. gai only had to open the gates to save tenten lee and neji
commanderkool868 2 years ago
Kisame has the strongest sword and has approximately the same amount of Chakra as a Jinchuuriki. Zabuza was nailed with Kakashi's Chidori which would cause Zabuza to die over-time. Zabuza may have excellent senses and the Kirigakure but the Sharingan can see through most techniques. Gato's army of thieves impaled Zabuza with all those weapons and that's when he died.
WolfManiac628 2 years ago
zabuza was never hit by the "lightening blade" haku got right in front of the attack and died shortly afterwards.
goodies4sure 2 years ago
I like Zabuza better but Kakashi is stronger then him, he just didn't expect Zabuza to be as strong as he was and was unprepared, as for Kisame i think Kakashi is stronger, by the way i stopped watching at the episode in shippuden with the Ichibi is being obtained by Akasuki
RobertdeSable1 2 years ago
if Zabuza would be still alive he would develope same as all characters just imagine how strong he would get ..
he could win against kakashi but if he did that would be end of the show so he had to die
Smileman123 2 years ago
??????????
Muhaiminsuper 2 years ago
and only reason kakashi beat zabuza cuz he didnt know much about sharin gan so kakashi use that to beat him and + he was so mad that haku die he was not useing his head much he just wanted to kill him for haku death but if he fights kisame he will know his moves The Demon Of the Mist Village
and the only reason kisame is good he steal people chakra but like i said zabuza he dont use his chakra he use mostly his sword
pakman903 2 years ago
no kisame would own zabuza since he reffered zabuza as a kid and kisame has the most chakra in the akatsuki and he also forced gai to open around i dunno 3-4 gates to beat him so its obvious kisame would win
Casterchip 2 years ago
gai cant beat kakashi and zabuza beat him so easy he would of kill kakashi but sasuke and naruto stop befor he could and so what who has the most charka. sakura beat sasori even through he had alot of chakra and zabuza dont use much of his chakra. he use mostly his sword
pakman903 2 years ago
well, I Think Zabuza Will Win, he didnt Use All Is Jutsu Only His Sword And the Mist. IF He Is The Demon Of the Mist Village Its Cuz He Is Not Weak.
Darka0s 2 years ago
o one more thing zabuza did not use all his jutsu he only use his sword so yea u never now what else he can do
pakman903 2 years ago
zabuza would of kill kakashi if naruto ,sasuke and sakura was not there to help and if zazbuza was still alive he would of been stronger by the days if he just train and learn new stuff just like sasuke and naruto either way no one knows who will win and remeber its not who have the better blade its about the man who know how to use it
pakman903 2 years ago
its not who has the better blade. its the man who know how to use it
pakman903 2 years ago
well i think kisame will.
Advantage:
Lot of chakra.
Awesome sword.
Very Strong.
Desadvantage:
Slow.
Naruto4873 2 years ago
kisame would rape zabuza. he almost beat Gai at 33% of his power. Gai and Kakashi are tied, and Kakashi raped Zabuza
imdalethalweapon 2 years ago 2
fact.
KissLadyrock 2 years ago
kisame would rape zabuza zabuzas sword is just a normal sword kisame would hit zabuza with his samehada and drain his chakra taking away a key part of zabuza
hailme751 2 years ago
Sorry, but you can't say for sure Zabuza would lose. Because in order for Kisame's sword to drain his opponents chakra, it requires his own chakra. And we don't know Zabuza's full strength, or the true limits of his chakra either. Because look at Zabuza's stats which are Pre-Chuunin Exams, and give them a part 2 boost. Then look at Ksame's part 2 stats, and I guarantee Zabuza's part 2 boost would pass Kisame's.
smallboy21 2 years ago
NOPE. Kisame was the strongest of the seven swordsman
hiphoppacmotion 2 years ago
kisame ganaria ¬¬ xD
jessemememei 2 years ago
I feel Kisame would win easily. To me next to the 2nd hokage Kisame is the greatest water style shinobi we have seen so far.
Hu6CityRidah 3 years ago
im sure thats true too. but their is another stronger water style shinobi on sasuke's team. i cant remember wat his name is but he is a seven swordsman too
solomongilmore 3 years ago
this goes for u too you guys are all asshole suigetsu is not one of the seven swordsmen he was a trainee kisame vs zabuza is no contest read it it simply say kisame was the best swordsmen of the mist got it ok
shadowlee02 2 years ago
thats kisames lil bro
imdalethalweapon 2 years ago
kisame and zabuza are both good water style users but in a fight zabuza would win kisame has only more chakra but hes not skilled beeng atteked by unseen
rumarak15 2 years ago
your dumb kisame is better his clone had more chakra then naruto and it was keeping up with gai one kakashi say isequal to him but we all know if gai goes gates he would beat him but anyway ya kisame is better
shadowlee02 2 years ago
kisame would win u saw him at 1 third of his power and compare tht 2 zabuza
tobithetamer 2 years ago
how the hell do you know. hes in the akatsuki, im sure he has all the training he needs for that
imdalethalweapon 2 years ago
q mierda d video
psiquicsouls 3 years ago
wow, that actually looked like the real thing! great job!!!
Akatsukialltheway 3 years ago
wish it was longer, it was kool ^.^
WildFang202 3 years ago
I think it would be a good fight but in the end kisame would lay down the ban hammer on zabuza
Corbenik 3 years ago
he is right but zabuza is a divel and strong so zabuza shod win
suesen7 3 years ago
ur nuts zabuza could never stand up to kisame .kisame already said he was jus a kid compared to him and that kakashi accomplished nothin by killin zabuza
Ajizzal8605 3 years ago
zabuza would win
pokemonrox1000 3 years ago
WOOT GO KISAME!!!!!!!!
fizzybrown 3 years ago
i like kisame
joemdiego 3 years ago
Even in shippuden Zabuza is revered. Though Kisami would still win. He calls Zabuza "the young Zabuza" and Siugetsu the second coming of Zabuza the devil.
Where Zabuza would stand if he fought a non sharingan user, is still a mystery. But he is considered to be very strong. Though I doubt at the Kage level, like the Akatsuki.
kiman360 3 years ago
so true!
named244 3 years ago
It's funny because some people say Zabuza was weak. Thats not true, Itachi warned Kisami not to fight Kakashi, because of the sharingan, it gives an advantage against fighters like Zabuza and Kisami. It doesn't mean that Zabuza is weak.
He is a jonin, and it means he's no pushover. If a guy like Kisami thinks highly of him, then it means something.
kiman360 3 years ago
zabuz is strong kakashi even said he couldn't beat him without using his sharingan eye but kakashi would beat kisame cause he is very strong he was even famous
thamostgangsta12 2 years ago
Kisame would pwn Zabuza it would be a no contest. Gai, Neji, TenTen and Lee could barely beat a clone of kisame with 30% of his power....
ndoubleu04 3 years ago
Zabouza would waste after all he was the demon of the mist village
what9120 3 years ago
yeah, he would. he's a master ninja and almost killed kakashi. hell, kakashi even said that zabuza is one of the strongest he has ever fought.
OkamiNinja7 3 years ago
lol Zabuza is no where near Kisame's level
warset 3 years ago
those were 2 epi
MarquisW501 3 years ago
zabuza was the leader of the 7 mist sowrdsmen
77wpdrc 3 years ago
there was no leader and they were never together in a group. they were just a title given to 7 individuals who had to go through the whole kill your comrades to pass the graduation thing. this went on for 7 years. but after the 7th year the mist village stopped, and started doing normal exams
FocusedNinjaNeji 3 years ago
that sucked ass
Kablelotpc 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
orochimaru is better than both of them!!!
jaariel35 3 years ago
THAT WAS GAy
coolzshit 3 years ago
this vid is only 24 seconds i dont get it
nemesio16 3 years ago
Zabuza would own mace180 is totaly right man zabuza has a bett sword and is veery experienced man he almost killed kakashi and in the itachi and kakashi fight kisame did nothing lol
Dust7789 3 years ago
Zabuza would probably win
Kisame is weaker than Itchi
and Kakashi beat Itachi in the second encounter
and Kakashi was very injureed when he fought Zabuza
Zabuza put up a better fight
so Zabuza is stronger
mace180 3 years ago
NO KAKSHI DID NOT BEAT ITACHI THAT WAS AN AKATSUKI SPY AND ITACHI POURED 30% OF HIS CHAKRA IN TO HIM AND IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY BRAINS AT ALL YOU WOULD KNOW THAT ZABUZA COULDNT EVEN BEAT KAKSHI IN THE REALLY EALY EPISODES YOU KNOW PEOPLE GET STRONGER RIGHT KAKASHI GOT WHOLE LOT!! STRONGER SO NOW IF YOU PAIRED KAKASHI AGAINST ZABUZA IN THE CURRENT EPISODE IT WOULD ONLY TAke kakashi about2 minutes and the fight is over!!! spoiler SASUKE KILLS ITACHI IN SHIPPUDEN KISAME IS CLOSE TO ITACHIS STRENGTH
DavidWilliamsmms 3 years ago
what a loser
mace180 3 years ago
DavidWilliamsmms itachi died on purpose because itachi wanted sasuke to get the new sharigan plus if you saw the battle between gai and kisame you can see that kisame only used 30% of his chalkra and gai used alot
and imagine if he used 100% of his chalkra...O.o
ChristinaPwnsAll 3 years ago 2
yeah i know i just recently wached the shippuden he does basuically let him win and he was in horrible and i mean like frikken horrible shape when he was fight sasuke and almost took sasukes eyes out and still was too much for sasuke... yeah man itachi is pretty strong...
DavidWilliamsmms 3 years ago
i wonder how strong zetsu is :P
i never seen him fight
ChristinaPwnsAll 3 years ago 3
the manga* noob lol, dude chill
burnyoazz 3 years ago
Zabuza would win. he just used his mouth to kill 30 people at the same time.
fredfredburgercereal 3 years ago
itachi is very sick he is dying and is losing strenght thats why kakashi was able to beat him qnd it wasnt even him it was a spy guy
hailme751 2 years ago
zabuza is kool but he definately isnt as expierienced as kisame. although zabuza's sword is cooler.
sickmonkey91 4 years ago
lol, if zabuza fought kisame, kisame would win in like the first 5 minutes lol
christmasman428 4 years ago
no fucking way, zabuza would waste him
mewgaman 3 years ago
Kisami would win, but it would not be as easy as some people say. Kisami would win because the buttloads of chakra he has, not because Zabuza is weak. It is the highest in the Akatsuki. Pein mentioned that.
Kisami would have trouble with kakashi to. Itachi warned him against fighting kakashi, that says something about their weakness against sharingan users.
kiman360 3 years ago
It would be a good fight though cuz they both are hot heads but like itachi said wit both of there big swords there moves stand out too much
Ajizzal8605 3 years ago
yeah but but they pack a powerful punch right so aint it good and bad
3RIC112713 3 years ago
True but the sharingan can wipe them out no matter how strong. Zabuza is still considered strong in Shipuuden but Kakashi defeated him with the sharingan. My guess is he would have done similar to Kisami, worse if he uses Mangyekyou (I know i misspelled that).
kiman360 3 years ago
this is fake!!!!!!!!
KisameofAkatsuki5 4 years ago
duh!!!
ggabe2 3 years ago
ye right only thing is that Zabuza is dead DEAD
Robanky 4 years ago