uhhh...didn't look like he almost crashed. He hit the pylon and immediately pulled up. The pylons are designed to come apart. I don't get it. Where's the "almost crash" part of this scenario?
For those who don't already know, Angle of attack is the angle formed by the relative wind and the chord, not the horizon ! The ange between the horizon and the horizontal axis of the aircaft is called pitch attitude. Do not mix up the two, and you'll be the greatest armchair experts on youtube :D !
N.B: relaive wind always coincides with the aircrafts trajectory, but is of opposite direction.
the fact is that the the propeller slowed down and the plane obviously stalled a bit.. but we gotta say this guy had a master control with the rudder.. they are fuckin awesome..
@TheDudeFrom0Z Nope. The thing about those planes is the speed. An ejection seat weights too much so they don't put it in. Not to mention most prop planes don't carry them... or civilian planes for that matter.
Don't think this was a stall. Only drag... Stall would have meant SPIN, and a spin at 20' would have meant... No stall here. He didn't even use rudder.
@AlexSlams left wing is stalled, the piece of the pylon fucks with the boundary layer of around around the middles of the wing stalling it at that AoA... so the middle of the wing is stalled, any rudder force he would have spun it but he opposed the rudder and reduced his AoA so that why it is barley noticeable...
@AlexSlams a one word answer is not what I am do, you are obviously not a pilot, so stop trolling videos with no understanding of true aerodynamics, go back to masturbating and playing FSX...typical American... can never be mature, u instantaneously turn to anger and insults... your country SUCKS, and so does you shitty president, no matter his race, even though for you I am sure it does, go ahead, call me a racist and a Nazi, I have heard it all from your shitty group of people you call the US
@AlexSlams wow... 2 and 1 word and answers... typical piece of shit american, then what can I expect from some one who's rated seventeenth in the world for education... nice job... you were neck and neck with those third world countries.... but you luckily just beat them... maybe next year...
@codzomz You keep labouring under the impression that I am an American. America is a pretty large continent with many countries... i'm not from any of them. Not one assertion you've made about me so far has been correct, therefore you are wrong. You'll notice i've shown you neither anger or have I insulted you...because, frankly, I don't care. Have a better day.
you two are soo immature and childish its unbeilivable. look, the fact is you were both browsing the internet wich just goes to show how sad your little lives are and also you start an argument over youtube. oh dear. call me prejudiced but methinks you two have way to much time on your hands. someone should kill people like you.
@Googly181 First, i'm going to give you an English and grammar lesson.
What the fuck dude, that was uncalled for. Why does it matter to you?
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You were shouting (over the internet, which automatically reduces your IQ to below 20) at someone for a comment they made 8 months ago about an argument that began over a year ago. Its dead, done, over, it would be pushin' (note the apostrophe) up the daisies if not for you.
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@CaptainWatson234 u think ure so smart u ponse. it is seriously gay correcting people over the internet. why the fuk would u do that. i got an A in english so u can shut the fuck up mate. also how the hell do u know i was shouting? uve never met me before u idiot. also if your trying to make out your so clever or something ( correcting people over the internet ) maybe stop wasting your time on utube and get a clever job. lastly, ( note the comma) how does shouting make your IQ below 20. ?
@dougdenter The truth is - you both suck. Greetings from a non-native English speaker who can whip your uneducated asses anytime, anywhere when it comes to grammar and spelling :)
People think you need to fall and crash to the ground or go into a spin in order to "stall", when in fact, if the air moving over the wing becomes turbulent and causes the wing to lose it's lift, it stalls. So whoever say's omg it wasn't a stall, it was a stall, just one you're not accustom to seeing. Shows your ignorance a little.
Anyone who doesn't think this was a stall listen up! Ever heard of a tip stall? One wing can stall while the flow on the other remains attached. This normally happens when using heavy rudder input at low speeds. This looks like a tip-stall of the left wing caused by the hard rudder input while in knife-edge.
Anyone who doesn't think this was a stall listen up! Ever heard of a tip stall? One wing can stall while the flow on the other remains attached. This normally happens when using heavy rudder input at low speeds. This looks like a tip-stall of the left wing caused by the hard rudder input while in knife-edge.
Anyone who doesn't think this was a stall listen up! Ever heard of a tip stall? One wing can stall while the flow on the other remains attached. This normally happens when using heavy rudder input at low speeds. This looks like a tip-stall of the left wing caused by the hard rudder input while in knife-edge.
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@heberorozco You absolute IDIOT...an airplane cannot simply stall to the left or right. it can only stall. this happens because the aircraft is either at a airspeed too low, and not enough lift is produced to maintain a climb or decent, and just falls, or when an over g at a certain airspeed. air skimms only the front of the wing, so again not enough lift... and dude, THERE WAS NO CRASH! - these pilot's are too good.
@jugyourjuice One wing can stall while the other doesn't. which is what happened. it is called a tip stall. Check it out before you make a further fool of yourself.
@jugyourjuice Wrong. A stall is caused by one thing and one thing *only*. The angle of attack is too high(the angle at which the relative airflow meets the wing chord line). It can happen at any airspeed and any attitude.
I think people are confused about what a stall really is, a stall is when the critical angle of attack is surpassed and lift can no longer be made by the wing, a stall can happen at any airspeed and any configuration, (ie spoilers flaps you name it.
its a high speed stall look it up. its the same thing that happens during a snap roll...one wing has more of a load on it than the other...which is why the left wing dips.
@ryanair1313 you obiously do not know what stalled means then. if he stalled he would be doing about 20 knots or less and plane would start to fall out the sky. the plane was flying the hole time in this plane. and he quite effortlessly braught the wings back level. why cant people get this ^^^ and stop arguing?
@Kcoleman622 LOL i highly doute a edge will tip stall at high speed. most stable designe on the planet. he shifted over from the force of hiting the pylon. also looked like he was banking at the time to turn
@RM250D8rzr I'm no (real) pilot, but I fly rc planes and know what a stall is, and I have to agree with you. I think the bits hanging on his wing caused some drag, but he had a hell of a lot of control and gaining altitude. I think gains in altitude are universally omitted when stalling is defined anyway, and my plane during accelerated stalls (the term I think think coleman was looking for) loses almost all control and falls like a rock.
@RM250D8rzr You're obviously not a pilot then (and if you are you're not a good one)
First of all i doubt that the stall speed on that plane is 20 knots. When the wing hit the pylon it slowed down and got wrapped in the material. The material on the wing lowers the stall speed (especially right away when it hasn't smoothed down) and the reduced speed on that wing combined with the material creates a stall. He was also using aileron which decreased stall speed on that wing
@ebouwman034 but i still dont think it stalled. if you have ever flown one of these you would know how sensitive the stick is. i fly big 150cc gas planes that are extra 300's and edge 540's and i know we have lot more power for scale but he was full throttle there would still be enough power to hold the plane up with some elevator. they could probley fly at 20 knots with full power lots of elevator in a harrior postion. iv actually seen full scale do it befor.
@RM250D8rzr For him to roll like that he would have had to have SLAMMED the stick left almost as soon as he hit. WHY would he do that? First he's trying to avoid it, then a SPLIT SECOND LATER he's rolling into it while climbing? Do you think he's crazy or something? Just because you stall doesn't mean you fall out of the sky. The extra stalls at 55 knots, if they're actually flying around at 20 knots then they're flying a stall. I haven't seen that one done close enough to gauge speed
@ebouwman034 yeah possibly. but yeah its pretty cool there pretty much useing the prop for lift to hold them up. the air then gets pushed back hits the elevator and keeps the nose tilted up. to keep lift. flying a stal.
@RM250D8rzr It doesn't look like the plane stalled at all. It looks to me like the pilot reacted too late going into his right bank to cross the gate and his entire left wing sliced through the pylon creating a huge dragging force on that side. I think that ultimately the resultant movement of the aircraft after impact was due in large part to stabilization from its own inertia and forward speed through the airstream, and the pilots own overcompensatory righting reflex kicking in at about 0:02.
@RM250D8rzr A stall is the separation of airflow over the wing (usually the inner most parts). This is because they are designed that way so the faster moving part of the wing (the outside) can regain lift. Tilting the nose up would only make the stall worse and can possibly interrupt the airflow on the horizontal stabilizer which can cause it to enter a spiral.
most cases, people think pulling up would help, no, your best option i would think would be to put your nose down in a dive enough to re gain air speed, to restore flow of air over the wings, pulling up results in a loss of airspeed, which you have already lost enough, unless the means of thrust are capable of holding up the aircraft, it will only make things worse, the airplane will lose more control,
most Piston airplanes do not have the thrust to weight ratio to hang vertical under the pull of the prop, however there are a few that can, but most cant, the Oracle Challenger flown by Sean Tucker, is a tiny... little biplane with a big powerful engine, that can hang vertical on its prop. but thats only beacuse its a featherlight, with a balls big engine.
@angryace13 it did'nt look like he was at near stalling. He had plenty of speed and a low aoa. I think the pylon just acted like a streamer slowing the wing down. He fixed it with rudder.
you don't always stall from going too slow, you can stall from going too fast or tossing your airplane into a tumble. these airplanes are highly unstable, in fact stalling becomes acrobatic act in some ways.
i dont think this airplane was really stalling either, i was just stating a way to recover from one.
@40joel I am not sure if you are a pilot but speed has nothing to do with stalling, you can stall at any speed.... and at :05 it looks like the angle of attack is relatively high, also at :03 the elevators are at full potential so I can see what he was getting at...
@codzomz Yes I am a pilot and you are mistaken. The airplane is not at a high aoa based on the wing relative to the horizon, you have to load up the wing with elevator, he was in a knife edge and used rudder to hang off the prop and use the airframe as the wing. The wing was never at a high aoa compared to the relative wind = no stall I promise
@WhiteArcticFoxhound yeah I don't see the rudder move but the plane yaws after it hits the pylon and then the tail comes back in line. All the aerobatic aircraft I have flown are happy to be uncoordinated, although I have never flown an Extra.
@RM250D8rzr fellow large scale RC pilot, this is an extreme case of adverse yaw, the left wing effectively was slowed to such an extent the aircraft lost aerodynamic symmetry and began to roll.
If you look closely you will see that a piece of the pylon remains on the port wing, thus decreasing the lift(possible even stalling that wing), which induces that rolling motion we see.
that looks like its travelling too fast for it to be a stall. i think he just pulled up to hard like when PC9's pull up too hard they stall even when they are travelling fast.
People do not realize that rudder input will produce roll, and that aileron input will produce yaw.
Originally I stated that the rolling motion in this short clip was not produced or intended by the pilot, but a result of the pylon strike. Others disagree.
There's no stall here. The pilot rolls, flys knife edge and then kick the rudder(you can see the rudder clearly while he's flying knife edge) to give some attitude adjustment. He then rolls hard left(unknown why) but the aircraft does no stall here.
There's no left rudder input by the pilot, as can be seen in the video. The reason for the plane to rotate to the left is because of the impact the pylon has on the left wing of the airplane. This causes the plane to rotate left (as if the pilot would push left rudder) because it skid sideways causing the right wing to generate more lift thus rotating the aircraft to the left. The rotation movement is caused by the impact, not the pilot. He was supposed to fly level through that gate, not edge.
Wrong, an aircraft rotates by rudder input. It creates a lot more drag than using ailerons and obviously it depends on the aerodynamic properties of the airfoil and airframe but generally speaking it is true for most general aviation airplanes but not for fast jets with a thin airfoil.
The appearance of left rudder input by the pilot is because of rudder floating. There is no intentional rudder input from the pilot here. Also, there is no room here to explain all variables. If you haven't studied aerodynamics, please do not comment. Not directed at you specifically but in general. It is obvious that the aircraft rotate left as a direct result of the pylon hit, as it causes a lateral beta angle (sideways skid). Am currently studying 'Aerodynamics for Naval Aviators'.
Then please do explain how there can be planes flying, that do not have ailerons? How does a plane control the roll axis without ailerons? Find the answer, learn something new!
I did just now. F22C Pinguino for example, see my channel if in doubt. My rating, look who's talking. Obviously higher than yours.
It's obvious now that you're just running your mouth with a bad attitude.
The rudder of an airplane effectively alter the AoA of each wing, causing the plane to roll. It's very obvious if you have ever flown an airplane, radio controlled model or a real plane doesn't matter. It's basic knowledge for a pilot, yes even for a RC pilot too.
even if you arent the americans are the real ignorant and naive people on this planet, cant stand their utter shit talk on forums and general attitude towards the world
ramboormark, your being a hypocrite. just because we are american doesnt automatically make us shit talkers, ignorant, or naive. i think people cant stand people like you that cannot see past the stereotypes
Good for you, I love thermal soaring. It's a very unique experience. So then you SHOULD know that rudder will cause the plane to roll. So you saying that it doesnt contradict what you just said. I'm not trying to prove you wrong here, just fed up with kids (and people in general) who have more attitude than knowledge.
i'm not saying that rudder wont make the plane role but i'm saying is that rudder will not cause you to roll very well, it will make you roll very slowly and it will induce a TON of drag, so it will not roll efficiently or very safely, as it will very likely put you in a spin if you go to far.
At least that's better than your original statement. Still not your original statement.
A well designed aircraft will not enter a spin because of rudder input alone, not from straight and level flight. Most aircraft available to the private pilot simply will not enter a spin unless seriously provoked and forced to do so
I didn't mean to say that it will enter a spin form normal rudder input, butwhat I mean is if you input a lot of rudder to make the plane turn realy hard, than there's a risk of a spin.
well, that's how it's described and that's how the lead on the collaborators aerobatics team said you do them in an interview, you apply left aileron, and right rudder, near stall speed. or right aileron and left rudder.
I'm guessing you could cause a spin in most planes by entering slow flight and then applying full left rudder. No elevator input needed, except to enter slow flight.
Depends how much authority the rudder has but yes generally that's correct. It is possible to design a airplane that simply can not spin. Take the Horten flying wing for example a german design from WW2, it can not spin. The design is too stable to enter a spin.
Was just making an attempt to educate him. There were several people saying the pilot intently rolled to the left after hitting the pylon. It's like... lol. So what exactly do you mean with your post, I don't think that you really want to be as insulting as you come off.
"A well designed aircraft will not enter a spin because of rudder input alone, not from straight and level flight." If you think about the boeing planes that have jet engines on etc, if you were to hit full rudder at straight level cruising speed the plane would enter an uncontrollable spin and the plane would crash. These jet planes are well made and well designed, if not they would not be cleared for flight with hundreds of passengers.
A 737 has a travel limiter on the rudder so the aircraft would roll and sideslip but not enter the uncontrollable spin that you are talking about. An airbus would not even accept the command (it has flight computers) but limit the effective output to just a fraction of the command input.
33vortex, if you want answers answer the question "what is your rating" and I watched some of your videos....I have no less doubt than when I read your comment. " My rating, look who's talking. Obviously higher than yours." really isn't a full answer to "what is your rating". So let me guess, your rating is still "RC Pilot". And as for your channel all I saw was a bunch of flightsim videos and one real video of a GA Prop taxiing.
Does it matter? I'm in the process of taking my PPL. Something I should have done 10 years ago. Currently studying aerodynamics and aircraft design. Experimented a lot with my own RC designs in the teens, had a lot of fun with that. Intend to continue on that path for full size aircraft.
Vortex your attitude is extremely poor. I am able to make this comment because my attitude was once very similiar to yours.
Firstly, for you to mock others when you have not achieved the most basic of qualifications is ridiculous. You are a student, not an instructor. Put aside your arrogance and at least discuss the topic with some humility.
Secondly, some of your facts are completely wrong, yet you discuss them with such authority........
.....I shuddered when you suggested it's difficult to spin trainers. By far the biggest cause of GA accidents is complacency - whether that be from fuel miscalculations or overestimating your own knowledge and skill. I fear that you are guilty of the latter. If you have enough rudder authority (and extra300's etc certainly do) it's very possible to face spin entry with heavy rudder inputs, particularly if the aircraft isn't well balanced on entry......
In summary you need to take a step back. Your authority is completely false. You do not hold the most simple and basic of licenses yet you feel able to call other people 'idiots?' because they are British? It is your kind of attitude that gets people killed. I suggest you go on PPrune and share these sentiments, you will be shot down so fast you won't have time to blink.
Learn some humility. Authority and knowledge comes with experience, of which you have none......
Like I said, I had a similiar attitude to yours, but I've quickly learned that it was completely, completely innappropriate. I'm sure when you gain further experience you will look back on this kind of posting with regret but for the mean time just take a step back, calm down, and work within your limits. These limits do not include making bold, incorrect statements about aircraft characteristics which have unfortunately killed many PPL holders over the years.
Take a step back and read what you just wrote. I'm not the one with issues here. What you post speak volumes about yourself, nothing about me. Taking it to a personal level is your loss. Also, to speak of the Extra 300 as a trainer is laughable.
What is your problem? If you find something wrong about my post please do tell and I stand corrected if you are right but that attitude gets you nowhere.
2. What in particular about my post was personal? You've spent most of your time insulting other posters and suggesting it must be because they're British.
3. Make an account on PPrune if you don't already have one, and post these posts in there. You'll get shagged sideways.
Learn how to read, and not to take what people post on youtube by the letter. The written word does not communicate as the spoken word if you get my drift.
Where did I speak of the Extra 300 as a trainer then. It seems to me you have taken what I said out of context. Also, why are you jumping me like this? I did not discuss this with you in the first place.
The personal part is where you tell me to learn some humility for example. Who are you to judge me? You do not know me, at all. So take your humility and study it, as evidently you could use some yourself.
You know what?, I'm starting to get real sick and tired of this fighting shit between the two of ya. I come to this video cause it is a fave of mine, and every time I scroll down the damn page I find this bull. Now, to the BOTH of you. Either take it to a hotel room/private message, or just shut the hell up, but take it off of this video. Like I said, it's extremely dissapointing to only see fighting comments on a totally of corse video. Now both of you, LEAVE IT BE.
@STATMedEvacVirtual Wow! You must have such a dull life if you come back to youtube again and again just to see this retarded video. If these two retards wanna go at it who the fuck are you to tell them to shut up? Also, go eat a dick you fucking moron.
@lavigne165 I'm sure that made sense to you cause it didn't to me. How about this Abdellah, why don't you go crash a plane into the Muslim center they're gonna build near ground zero. That way you'll have done something positive with your life you fucking spawn of savages. LMFAO!
uhhh...didn't look like he almost crashed. He hit the pylon and immediately pulled up. The pylons are designed to come apart. I don't get it. Where's the "almost crash" part of this scenario?
BQZip01Guy 2 weeks ago
For those who don't already know, Angle of attack is the angle formed by the relative wind and the chord, not the horizon ! The ange between the horizon and the horizontal axis of the aircaft is called pitch attitude. Do not mix up the two, and you'll be the greatest armchair experts on youtube :D !
N.B: relaive wind always coincides with the aircrafts trajectory, but is of opposite direction.
raphy1123 3 months ago
the fact is that the the propeller slowed down and the plane obviously stalled a bit.. but we gotta say this guy had a master control with the rudder.. they are fuckin awesome..
pafa92 4 months ago
stall... no stall there
motorcyclevlogger 4 months ago
do they have ejector seats?
TheDudeFrom0Z 5 months ago
@TheDudeFrom0Z no
motorcyclevlogger 4 months ago
@TheDudeFrom0Z Nope. The thing about those planes is the speed. An ejection seat weights too much so they don't put it in. Not to mention most prop planes don't carry them... or civilian planes for that matter.
FlyingCC 3 months ago
when did it stall?
snorkelinatv08 6 months ago
Don't think this was a stall. Only drag... Stall would have meant SPIN, and a spin at 20' would have meant... No stall here. He didn't even use rudder.
bronco8585 6 months ago
sudden flip was due to the canvass wrapping around the right aelerons
BannyBunch 7 months ago
where's the stall?
AlexSlams 7 months ago
@AlexSlams agree
drod103164 6 months ago
@AlexSlams left wing is stalled, the piece of the pylon fucks with the boundary layer of around around the middles of the wing stalling it at that AoA... so the middle of the wing is stalled, any rudder force he would have spun it but he opposed the rudder and reduced his AoA so that why it is barley noticeable...
codzomz 6 months ago
@codzomz Nope.
AlexSlams 6 months ago
@AlexSlams nope to what? be more respectful and give me a viable response...
codzomz 6 months ago
@codzomz I owe you no respect, I shall give you all you are due. You are wrong.
AlexSlams 6 months ago
@AlexSlams a one word answer is not what I am do, you are obviously not a pilot, so stop trolling videos with no understanding of true aerodynamics, go back to masturbating and playing FSX...typical American... can never be mature, u instantaneously turn to anger and insults... your country SUCKS, and so does you shitty president, no matter his race, even though for you I am sure it does, go ahead, call me a racist and a Nazi, I have heard it all from your shitty group of people you call the US
codzomz 6 months ago
@codzomz So wrong :)
AlexSlams 6 months ago
@AlexSlams wow... 2 and 1 word and answers... typical piece of shit american, then what can I expect from some one who's rated seventeenth in the world for education... nice job... you were neck and neck with those third world countries.... but you luckily just beat them... maybe next year...
codzomz 6 months ago
@codzomz You keep labouring under the impression that I am an American. America is a pretty large continent with many countries... i'm not from any of them. Not one assertion you've made about me so far has been correct, therefore you are wrong. You'll notice i've shown you neither anger or have I insulted you...because, frankly, I don't care. Have a better day.
AlexSlams 6 months ago
mi verga tbn
00KanonSeaDraGon00 8 months ago
I do that everyday.
YagoRj357 8 months ago
i will see rest of video tomorow :D
MrMajstor007 8 months ago
He saved it!
zacksobin 10 months ago
Pilot Error
fs10inator 10 months ago
Didn't look like almost crashing to me.
147258GS 10 months ago 2
Shit myself? Hell no, these pants were always brown.
81broncoman 11 months ago
nice rudder control
Mattey10101 11 months ago
WE NEED ADDITIONAL PYLONS!!!!
lavender020 11 months ago 27
Almost stall
cichy1970 1 year ago
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jcollinsvideos 1 year ago
I could imagine him telling the AI woman that repeats *STALLING* on Ace Combat to stfu.
slipknot08071 1 year ago
Did anyone notice that childish arguments always end up with one highlighting spelling mistakes? Rather annoying.
SO STOP FIGHTING OVER CRAP!
Other than that, the was a totally crazy save from the pilot. 5*
JohnsonGetDown 1 year ago
Good save dude, the wing stalled with the banner and he saved it 0 feet. Respect.
moreleftpedal 1 year ago
you two are soo immature and childish its unbeilivable. look, the fact is you were both browsing the internet wich just goes to show how sad your little lives are and also you start an argument over youtube. oh dear. call me prejudiced but methinks you two have way to much time on your hands. someone should kill people like you.
DeepBmx 1 year ago
Y'all need to all grow up. It's YouTube. LOL....
Sergeantsteamer 1 year ago 5
It shacked, but it didn't stall
Isaac200000 1 year ago
I like the way ppl cant look at the date of comments. Googly obvously cant.
CaptainWatson234 1 year ago
@CaptainWatson234 wtf dude, that was so uncalled 4. y duz it matter 2 u
Googly181 1 year ago
@Googly181 First, i'm going to give you an English and grammar lesson.
What the fuck dude, that was uncalled for. Why does it matter to you?
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You were shouting (over the internet, which automatically reduces your IQ to below 20) at someone for a comment they made 8 months ago about an argument that began over a year ago. Its dead, done, over, it would be pushin' (note the apostrophe) up the daisies if not for you.
CaptainWatson234 1 year ago
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@CaptainWatson234 u think ure so smart u ponse. it is seriously gay correcting people over the internet. why the fuk would u do that. i got an A in english so u can shut the fuck up mate. also how the hell do u know i was shouting? uve never met me before u idiot. also if your trying to make out your so clever or something ( correcting people over the internet ) maybe stop wasting your time on utube and get a clever job. lastly, ( note the comma) how does shouting make your IQ below 20. ?
Googly181 1 year ago
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CaptainWatson234 1 year ago
@CaptainWatson234 good day then captain watson ponse
Googly181 1 year ago
@Googly181 Grow up.
CaptainWatson234 1 year ago
@CaptainWatson234 ye sure
Googly181 1 year ago
@CaptainWatson234 lol, your an asshole, Funny, but an asshole none the less.
PRCkevlar 1 year ago
@PRCkevlar Thanks.... I think.
CaptainWatson234 1 year ago
@Googly181 your grammer and spelling,, really do not support your "A" in any english class.
dougdenter 1 year ago
@dougdenter The truth is - you both suck. Greetings from a non-native English speaker who can whip your uneducated asses anytime, anywhere when it comes to grammar and spelling :)
sf200425997 1 year ago
@dougdenter how ironic is it that you spelled grammar wrong in this comment?
DiddledOnce 1 year ago
@DiddledOnce ironic,,,,YES!
i guess i'm a dumba@#
dougdenter 1 year ago
The times would be a LOT slower if they made the pylons outta concrete.
FlightLevelHeaded 1 year ago
People think you need to fall and crash to the ground or go into a spin in order to "stall", when in fact, if the air moving over the wing becomes turbulent and causes the wing to lose it's lift, it stalls. So whoever say's omg it wasn't a stall, it was a stall, just one you're not accustom to seeing. Shows your ignorance a little.
fergiy89 1 year ago
tip stall. hands down no aileron input.
kelleyi 1 year ago
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Anyone who doesn't think this was a stall listen up! Ever heard of a tip stall? One wing can stall while the flow on the other remains attached. This normally happens when using heavy rudder input at low speeds. This looks like a tip-stall of the left wing caused by the hard rudder input while in knife-edge.
catamaranman333 1 year ago
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Anyone who doesn't think this was a stall listen up! Ever heard of a tip stall? One wing can stall while the flow on the other remains attached. This normally happens when using heavy rudder input at low speeds. This looks like a tip-stall of the left wing caused by the hard rudder input while in knife-edge.
catamaranman333 1 year ago
Anyone who doesn't think this was a stall listen up! Ever heard of a tip stall? One wing can stall while the flow on the other remains attached. This normally happens when using heavy rudder input at low speeds. This looks like a tip-stall of the left wing caused by the hard rudder input while in knife-edge.
catamaranman333 1 year ago
no stall fuck tards
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funnypro200 1 year ago
Excellent vid!
bfgray 1 year ago
@heberorozco You absolute IDIOT...an airplane cannot simply stall to the left or right. it can only stall. this happens because the aircraft is either at a airspeed too low, and not enough lift is produced to maintain a climb or decent, and just falls, or when an over g at a certain airspeed. air skimms only the front of the wing, so again not enough lift... and dude, THERE WAS NO CRASH! - these pilot's are too good.
jugyourjuice 1 year ago
@jugyourjuice One wing can stall while the other doesn't. which is what happened. it is called a tip stall. Check it out before you make a further fool of yourself.
kelleyi 1 year ago
@jugyourjuice Wrong. A stall is caused by one thing and one thing *only*. The angle of attack is too high(the angle at which the relative airflow meets the wing chord line). It can happen at any airspeed and any attitude.
szaychuk 1 year ago
BORING VID
THANX 4 NOTHEN
CHEETOMAN04 1 year ago
I think people are confused about what a stall really is, a stall is when the critical angle of attack is surpassed and lift can no longer be made by the wing, a stall can happen at any airspeed and any configuration, (ie spoilers flaps you name it.
mustangwkc 1 year ago
plz change the title of this video. there s no stall here !!!!
jasonxlupin 1 year ago
its a high speed stall look it up. its the same thing that happens during a snap roll...one wing has more of a load on it than the other...which is why the left wing dips.
Kcoleman622 1 year ago
how is this allmost crashing?
RM250D8rzr 1 year ago
@RM250D8rzr Because Its S talled If he not Bring It After 3 Sec Back to Control He Would Crash Because It Will Flip Him To Other Side... :)
ryanair1313 1 year ago
@ryanair1313 you obiously do not know what stalled means then. if he stalled he would be doing about 20 knots or less and plane would start to fall out the sky. the plane was flying the hole time in this plane. and he quite effortlessly braught the wings back level. why cant people get this ^^^ and stop arguing?
RM250D8rzr 1 year ago
@RM250D8rzr high speed stall look it up
Kcoleman622 1 year ago
@Kcoleman622 LOL i highly doute a edge will tip stall at high speed. most stable designe on the planet. he shifted over from the force of hiting the pylon. also looked like he was banking at the time to turn
RM250D8rzr 1 year ago
@RM250D8rzr I'm no (real) pilot, but I fly rc planes and know what a stall is, and I have to agree with you. I think the bits hanging on his wing caused some drag, but he had a hell of a lot of control and gaining altitude. I think gains in altitude are universally omitted when stalling is defined anyway, and my plane during accelerated stalls (the term I think think coleman was looking for) loses almost all control and falls like a rock.
maynardr6 1 year ago
@maynardr6 exactly. ill fly rc to. and learning full scale as well.
RM250D8rzr 1 year ago
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@RM250D8rzr high speed stall look it up
Kcoleman622 1 year ago
@RM250D8rzr You're obviously not a pilot then (and if you are you're not a good one)
First of all i doubt that the stall speed on that plane is 20 knots. When the wing hit the pylon it slowed down and got wrapped in the material. The material on the wing lowers the stall speed (especially right away when it hasn't smoothed down) and the reduced speed on that wing combined with the material creates a stall. He was also using aileron which decreased stall speed on that wing
ebouwman034 1 year ago
@ebouwman034 you mean rises the stall speed.....
RM250D8rzr 1 year ago
@RM250D8rzr ya i always fuck that one up...
ebouwman034 1 year ago
@ebouwman034 but i still dont think it stalled. if you have ever flown one of these you would know how sensitive the stick is. i fly big 150cc gas planes that are extra 300's and edge 540's and i know we have lot more power for scale but he was full throttle there would still be enough power to hold the plane up with some elevator. they could probley fly at 20 knots with full power lots of elevator in a harrior postion. iv actually seen full scale do it befor.
RM250D8rzr 1 year ago
@RM250D8rzr For him to roll like that he would have had to have SLAMMED the stick left almost as soon as he hit. WHY would he do that? First he's trying to avoid it, then a SPLIT SECOND LATER he's rolling into it while climbing? Do you think he's crazy or something? Just because you stall doesn't mean you fall out of the sky. The extra stalls at 55 knots, if they're actually flying around at 20 knots then they're flying a stall. I haven't seen that one done close enough to gauge speed
ebouwman034 1 year ago
@ebouwman034 yeah possibly. but yeah its pretty cool there pretty much useing the prop for lift to hold them up. the air then gets pushed back hits the elevator and keeps the nose tilted up. to keep lift. flying a stal.
RM250D8rzr 1 year ago
@RM250D8rzr It doesn't look like the plane stalled at all. It looks to me like the pilot reacted too late going into his right bank to cross the gate and his entire left wing sliced through the pylon creating a huge dragging force on that side. I think that ultimately the resultant movement of the aircraft after impact was due in large part to stabilization from its own inertia and forward speed through the airstream, and the pilots own overcompensatory righting reflex kicking in at about 0:02.
bbqueuezor 1 year ago
@RM250D8rzr A stall is the separation of airflow over the wing (usually the inner most parts). This is because they are designed that way so the faster moving part of the wing (the outside) can regain lift. Tilting the nose up would only make the stall worse and can possibly interrupt the airflow on the horizontal stabilizer which can cause it to enter a spiral.
bajesus666 1 year ago
@bajesus666
most cases, people think pulling up would help, no, your best option i would think would be to put your nose down in a dive enough to re gain air speed, to restore flow of air over the wings, pulling up results in a loss of airspeed, which you have already lost enough, unless the means of thrust are capable of holding up the aircraft, it will only make things worse, the airplane will lose more control,
angryace13 1 year ago
@angryace13 Because you cant fly your plane with your prop!
bajesus666 1 year ago
@bajesus666
exactly XD
most Piston airplanes do not have the thrust to weight ratio to hang vertical under the pull of the prop, however there are a few that can, but most cant, the Oracle Challenger flown by Sean Tucker, is a tiny... little biplane with a big powerful engine, that can hang vertical on its prop. but thats only beacuse its a featherlight, with a balls big engine.
angryace13 1 year ago
@angryace13 it did'nt look like he was at near stalling. He had plenty of speed and a low aoa. I think the pylon just acted like a streamer slowing the wing down. He fixed it with rudder.
40joel 10 months ago 3
@40joel
you don't always stall from going too slow, you can stall from going too fast or tossing your airplane into a tumble. these airplanes are highly unstable, in fact stalling becomes acrobatic act in some ways.
i dont think this airplane was really stalling either, i was just stating a way to recover from one.
angryace13 10 months ago
@40joel I am not sure if you are a pilot but speed has nothing to do with stalling, you can stall at any speed.... and at :05 it looks like the angle of attack is relatively high, also at :03 the elevators are at full potential so I can see what he was getting at...
codzomz 6 months ago
@codzomz Yes I am a pilot and you are mistaken. The airplane is not at a high aoa based on the wing relative to the horizon, you have to load up the wing with elevator, he was in a knife edge and used rudder to hang off the prop and use the airframe as the wing. The wing was never at a high aoa compared to the relative wind = no stall I promise
40joel 6 months ago
@40joel To me it doesn't look like he used any rudder :/
WhiteArcticFoxhound 4 months ago
@WhiteArcticFoxhound yeah I don't see the rudder move but the plane yaws after it hits the pylon and then the tail comes back in line. All the aerobatic aircraft I have flown are happy to be uncoordinated, although I have never flown an Extra.
40joel 4 months ago
wow hard to tell which of you is the bigger idiot.
mryellow123 9 months ago
@mryellow123 ...im a pilot
bajesus666 9 months ago
@bajesus666 Guess your response makes you the bigger idiot then, thanks for the confirmation.
mryellow123 9 months ago
@RM250D8rzr fellow large scale RC pilot, this is an extreme case of adverse yaw, the left wing effectively was slowed to such an extent the aircraft lost aerodynamic symmetry and began to roll.
Shadowtech666 1 year ago
do u really need a outrou for this vid?
XxMrPerfectPRxX 1 year ago
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applesweeter 1 year ago
@applesweeter
1. flight is seen as complete freedom and we know everybody loves freedom
2. i guess it doesn't really have any benefits...
3.chicks are crazy, can't predict them
Layiloe 1 year ago
@Layiloe
About question 2, flying can increase a person's courage to overcome challenge. What do you think?
About question 3, do you think that females want to try out a sport which traditionally dominated by male?
applesweeter 1 year ago
If you look closely you will see that a piece of the pylon remains on the port wing, thus decreasing the lift(possible even stalling that wing), which induces that rolling motion we see.
Toitler1 2 years ago
that looks like its travelling too fast for it to be a stall. i think he just pulled up to hard like when PC9's pull up too hard they stall even when they are travelling fast.
s030141 2 years ago
A wing can be stalled at ANY airspeed; it's the angle of attack that matters. Debris on the wing doesn't help, either.
milescowan 1 year ago
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NCisfullofhicks 2 years ago
was it really stall?? I don t think so....
pabloESCOBAR050485 2 years ago
good bit of flying there with 1 usless wing
jakem1900 2 years ago
People do not realize that rudder input will produce roll, and that aileron input will produce yaw.
Originally I stated that the rolling motion in this short clip was not produced or intended by the pilot, but a result of the pylon strike. Others disagree.
33vortex 2 years ago
@33vortex yes roll induced by sudden drag and loss of lift on one wing. Corrected by opposite rudder and forward stick. nice flying.
iksteh 2 years ago
Yeah.
Even in slo-mo...
kinsmed 2 years ago
so so so far away from being close to a stall.. he had power, momentum and great experience and he is in a race so no need to go slow LOL
hottunes007 2 years ago
Got alot of "experts" here
FlyinandDrivin 2 years ago
hurray for flight simulator xD
jandearabier 2 years ago
There's no stall here. The pilot rolls, flys knife edge and then kick the rudder(you can see the rudder clearly while he's flying knife edge) to give some attitude adjustment. He then rolls hard left(unknown why) but the aircraft does no stall here.
CCWSig 2 years ago 14
There's no left rudder input by the pilot, as can be seen in the video. The reason for the plane to rotate to the left is because of the impact the pylon has on the left wing of the airplane. This causes the plane to rotate left (as if the pilot would push left rudder) because it skid sideways causing the right wing to generate more lift thus rotating the aircraft to the left. The rotation movement is caused by the impact, not the pilot. He was supposed to fly level through that gate, not edge.
33vortex 2 years ago 4
Sorry...An airplane doesn´t rotate by rudder input. It rotates by aileron input.
Chimes111 2 years ago
Wrong, an aircraft rotates by rudder input. It creates a lot more drag than using ailerons and obviously it depends on the aerodynamic properties of the airfoil and airframe but generally speaking it is true for most general aviation airplanes but not for fast jets with a thin airfoil.
33vortex 2 years ago
You have to use both rudder and aileron together to maintain coordination. Normal turns are made with both.
RobertGary1 2 years ago
The appearance of left rudder input by the pilot is because of rudder floating. There is no intentional rudder input from the pilot here. Also, there is no room here to explain all variables. If you haven't studied aerodynamics, please do not comment. Not directed at you specifically but in general. It is obvious that the aircraft rotate left as a direct result of the pylon hit, as it causes a lateral beta angle (sideways skid). Am currently studying 'Aerodynamics for Naval Aviators'.
33vortex 2 years ago
"'Aerodynamics for Naval Aviators'" is a good book. I teach from that book.
RobertGary1 2 years ago
ok let's put this straight, roll is controlled by the ailerons, yaw is controlled by the rudder, and pitch is controlled by the elevators.
Flightkid9 2 years ago
@Flightkid9
Then please do explain how there can be planes flying, that do not have ailerons? How does a plane control the roll axis without ailerons? Find the answer, learn something new!
33vortex 2 years ago
what planes have no ailerons? please tell me that first.
Flightkid9 2 years ago
@Flightkid9
Radio controlled gliders, for example. So how are they able to fly you think?
33vortex 2 years ago
lol we're talking about real planes, not your silly toy ones.
Flightkid9 2 years ago
@Flightkid9
Insults won't get you anywhere. Yes I've competed in radio controlled aerobatics, but these days I'm flying "real" planes.
Now answer my question.
33vortex 2 years ago
well when did anyone make a reference to toy planes? and if your really flying real planes what type of planes do you fly, and what is your rating?
Flightkid9 2 years ago
@Flightkid9
I did just now. F22C Pinguino for example, see my channel if in doubt. My rating, look who's talking. Obviously higher than yours.
It's obvious now that you're just running your mouth with a bad attitude.
The rudder of an airplane effectively alter the AoA of each wing, causing the plane to roll. It's very obvious if you have ever flown an airplane, radio controlled model or a real plane doesn't matter. It's basic knowledge for a pilot, yes even for a RC pilot too.
33vortex 2 years ago
lol, I doubt you have even flown before, mostly because you don't even know what i';m talking about when I asked you what your rating is. lol
Flightkid9 2 years ago
@Flightkid9
Sorry, but now you are just being completely retarded.
33vortex 2 years ago
so now that you have realised that i'm right you start making insultes to try to protect yourself? sad really.
Flightkid9 2 years ago
@Flightkid9
You are not only wrong, you are also stupid. You must be british, or at least of british descent.
33vortex 2 years ago
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@33vortex
lol are you american??
even if you arent the americans are the real ignorant and naive people on this planet, cant stand their utter shit talk on forums and general attitude towards the world
ramboormark 2 years ago
ramboormark, your being a hypocrite. just because we are american doesnt automatically make us shit talkers, ignorant, or naive. i think people cant stand people like you that cannot see past the stereotypes
schfiftfive 2 years ago 31
@schfiftfive shut up american! most americans are shit talkers ignorant and naive.. that why it is a stereotype you idiot
BadWithNames123 7 months ago
and also, I do fly real planes, i fly gliders right now (real ones, not your toy ones. lol)
Flightkid9 2 years ago
@Flightkid9
Good for you, I love thermal soaring. It's a very unique experience. So then you SHOULD know that rudder will cause the plane to roll. So you saying that it doesnt contradict what you just said. I'm not trying to prove you wrong here, just fed up with kids (and people in general) who have more attitude than knowledge.
33vortex 2 years ago
i'm not saying that rudder wont make the plane role but i'm saying is that rudder will not cause you to roll very well, it will make you roll very slowly and it will induce a TON of drag, so it will not roll efficiently or very safely, as it will very likely put you in a spin if you go to far.
Flightkid9 2 years ago
@Flightkid9
At least that's better than your original statement. Still not your original statement.
A well designed aircraft will not enter a spin because of rudder input alone, not from straight and level flight. Most aircraft available to the private pilot simply will not enter a spin unless seriously provoked and forced to do so
33vortex 2 years ago
I didn't mean to say that it will enter a spin form normal rudder input, butwhat I mean is if you input a lot of rudder to make the plane turn realy hard, than there's a risk of a spin.
Flightkid9 2 years ago
See the maneuver 'snap roll'
33vortex 2 years ago
yes, I know what a snap role is, it's applying oposite rudder and aileron input to quickly stall one wing.
Flightkid9 2 years ago
Not necessarily opposite.
33vortex 2 years ago
well, that's how it's described and that's how the lead on the collaborators aerobatics team said you do them in an interview, you apply left aileron, and right rudder, near stall speed. or right aileron and left rudder.
Flightkid9 2 years ago
I'm guessing you could cause a spin in most planes by entering slow flight and then applying full left rudder. No elevator input needed, except to enter slow flight.
jonchall8 2 years ago
Depends how much authority the rudder has but yes generally that's correct. It is possible to design a airplane that simply can not spin. Take the Horten flying wing for example a german design from WW2, it can not spin. The design is too stable to enter a spin.
33vortex 2 years ago
As for the fighting....I think you both can let your balls drop than come back, and PM each other and fuck off of these type of videos.
STATMedEvacVirtual 2 years ago
Was just making an attempt to educate him. There were several people saying the pilot intently rolled to the left after hitting the pylon. It's like... lol. So what exactly do you mean with your post, I don't think that you really want to be as insulting as you come off.
33vortex 2 years ago
what if in an uncorrdinated turn and you drop below Vso
sk8rguy178 2 years ago
screw Vso, what if you bust through the CAoA?
iflyc77 2 years ago
@33vortex
"A well designed aircraft will not enter a spin because of rudder input alone, not from straight and level flight." If you think about the boeing planes that have jet engines on etc, if you were to hit full rudder at straight level cruising speed the plane would enter an uncontrollable spin and the plane would crash. These jet planes are well made and well designed, if not they would not be cleared for flight with hundreds of passengers.
Please tell me I'm wrong, I beg of you!
ramboormark 2 years ago
@ramboormark
A 737 has a travel limiter on the rudder so the aircraft would roll and sideslip but not enter the uncontrollable spin that you are talking about. An airbus would not even accept the command (it has flight computers) but limit the effective output to just a fraction of the command input.
33vortex 2 years ago
33vortex, if you want answers answer the question "what is your rating" and I watched some of your videos....I have no less doubt than when I read your comment. " My rating, look who's talking. Obviously higher than yours." really isn't a full answer to "what is your rating". So let me guess, your rating is still "RC Pilot". And as for your channel all I saw was a bunch of flightsim videos and one real video of a GA Prop taxiing.
STATMedEvacVirtual 2 years ago
Does it matter? I'm in the process of taking my PPL. Something I should have done 10 years ago. Currently studying aerodynamics and aircraft design. Experimented a lot with my own RC designs in the teens, had a lot of fun with that. Intend to continue on that path for full size aircraft.
33vortex 2 years ago
Vortex your attitude is extremely poor. I am able to make this comment because my attitude was once very similiar to yours.
Firstly, for you to mock others when you have not achieved the most basic of qualifications is ridiculous. You are a student, not an instructor. Put aside your arrogance and at least discuss the topic with some humility.
Secondly, some of your facts are completely wrong, yet you discuss them with such authority........
claptonwannabe 2 years ago
.....I shuddered when you suggested it's difficult to spin trainers. By far the biggest cause of GA accidents is complacency - whether that be from fuel miscalculations or overestimating your own knowledge and skill. I fear that you are guilty of the latter. If you have enough rudder authority (and extra300's etc certainly do) it's very possible to face spin entry with heavy rudder inputs, particularly if the aircraft isn't well balanced on entry......
claptonwannabe 2 years ago
In summary you need to take a step back. Your authority is completely false. You do not hold the most simple and basic of licenses yet you feel able to call other people 'idiots?' because they are British? It is your kind of attitude that gets people killed. I suggest you go on PPrune and share these sentiments, you will be shot down so fast you won't have time to blink.
Learn some humility. Authority and knowledge comes with experience, of which you have none......
claptonwannabe 2 years ago
Like I said, I had a similiar attitude to yours, but I've quickly learned that it was completely, completely innappropriate. I'm sure when you gain further experience you will look back on this kind of posting with regret but for the mean time just take a step back, calm down, and work within your limits. These limits do not include making bold, incorrect statements about aircraft characteristics which have unfortunately killed many PPL holders over the years.
claptonwannabe 2 years ago
@claptonwannabe
Take a step back and read what you just wrote. I'm not the one with issues here. What you post speak volumes about yourself, nothing about me. Taking it to a personal level is your loss. Also, to speak of the Extra 300 as a trainer is laughable.
What is your problem? If you find something wrong about my post please do tell and I stand corrected if you are right but that attitude gets you nowhere.
33vortex 2 years ago
1. I don't speak of the Extra 300 as a trainer...
2. What in particular about my post was personal? You've spent most of your time insulting other posters and suggesting it must be because they're British.
3. Make an account on PPrune if you don't already have one, and post these posts in there. You'll get shagged sideways.
Like I said, learn some humility.
claptonwannabe 2 years ago
Learn how to read, and not to take what people post on youtube by the letter. The written word does not communicate as the spoken word if you get my drift.
Where did I speak of the Extra 300 as a trainer then. It seems to me you have taken what I said out of context. Also, why are you jumping me like this? I did not discuss this with you in the first place.
33vortex 2 years ago
The personal part is where you tell me to learn some humility for example. Who are you to judge me? You do not know me, at all. So take your humility and study it, as evidently you could use some yourself.
33vortex 2 years ago
I'm not jumping on you at all. I'm just one of these stupid british pilots that obviously can't possibly know what they're talking about.
In terms of knowing and judging you, I know you are a student PPL. My experience is irrelevant. Your lack of experience certainly isn't.
I can't reply to any posts after this. I'm posting on the account of someone I know. I don't have an account on here. I'm off now.
claptonwannabe 2 years ago
You just shot your credibility to pieces. Thanks for making my point.
My friend here has 2500 hrs of commercial 737 and A320 time. Your logic and aerodynamic knowledge is flawed.
33vortex 2 years ago
You know what?, I'm starting to get real sick and tired of this fighting shit between the two of ya. I come to this video cause it is a fave of mine, and every time I scroll down the damn page I find this bull. Now, to the BOTH of you. Either take it to a hotel room/private message, or just shut the hell up, but take it off of this video. Like I said, it's extremely dissapointing to only see fighting comments on a totally of corse video. Now both of you, LEAVE IT BE.
STATMedEvacVirtual 2 years ago 74
@STATMedEvacVirtual Wow! You must have such a dull life if you come back to youtube again and again just to see this retarded video. If these two retards wanna go at it who the fuck are you to tell them to shut up? Also, go eat a dick you fucking moron.
drgonzo212 1 year ago
@drgonzo212 and who the fuck are you to ask him who the fuck he is to tell them to shut up
lavigne165 1 year ago
@lavigne165 I'm sure that made sense to you cause it didn't to me. How about this Abdellah, why don't you go crash a plane into the Muslim center they're gonna build near ground zero. That way you'll have done something positive with your life you fucking spawn of savages. LMFAO!
drgonzo212 1 year ago
@drgonzo212 Great reply for a racist ignorant like yourself.
lavigne165 1 year ago