Is there a reason why the video cuts so early? Can I find the full thing anywhere? Carlyle said it was 10 minutes and this is 6 minutes. Is there an extended version? PLEASE help me!
Man I was really getting into this podcast Carlyle then the video stops. Carlyle can you upload this to mediafire and put it in the drop down bar so people can download the full MP3.
The strike was ignorant and childish, which is a shame because like he said, they had a good point. When they started painting themselves as impoverished work-horses, that's when I lost sympathy. If it were truly the case that they "loved their work," then why be willing to grind production to a halt over a fraction of a percent of a profit?
it seems the only one talking horse shit is this guy,they write because they love it and why is it fair for other's to benefit more instead of the writer's or equally? perhaps you wouldnt complain so much when you go tot the movies and see how many crappy things are on!!!
Did you watch the video? The strike was for making more money, and the "crappy things that are going on" (by this, movies) already benefits them. They want twice as much now. They can make crap and make hundreds upon thousands of dollars just from poop jokes like an Adam Sandler movie. So please, how is Cargill pulling out horse shit?
People, to this day, still do not understand how much the common person gets robbed on DVD's. Considering the fact that it costs about 20 Cents to make a DVD and the casing it sits in, it's outrageous. Especially since the average NON-HD or Blue ray DVD can cost up to 25 bucks at some stores. People say "Aww poor companies, all the piracy is killing their sales." I say bullshit. Charging 20 bucks for a DVD when minimum wage hovers just over 7 dollars in this country is sickening, evil in fact.
You might not have heard, strike's over. Go back to torturing kittens or whatever you do when you're not enjoying people being put out of work. (Oh, by the way, slander is a legal term. To justify a lawsuit for slander you'd have to reveal what you were being paid to post hater comments against working people, that my comments were not true, and how my comments damaged your income. I read your work, somehow I don't think anyone would pay for you to post that idiosy).
Notice given to the WGA site, pleae watch and observe WGA ethics: "WGA I am writing this to notify you that one of your supporters has created multiple usernames (lizjewelry, earlboylou, etc.) and is posting pro WGA comments pretending to be many different WGA supporters. Are these WGA sanctioned tactics? If they are not, please block this user (users, hahaha). For examples, go to your "Why we Fight" video comments."
First off, quit w/this post. It's slander & it's illegal.
Second, you posted about a bogus 'class action suit' against WGA UNTIL someone pointed out THAT was illegal. (cc'd to WGA hq)
You posted anti-WGA quotes citing Variety & the Chicago Tribune but you were quoting blogger responses to articles & crediting the journalists. ILLEGAL. Copies sent to the editors & youtube. Referred them to you. Good luck kiddo.
Check out Cam's profile. Retired father of an 18yr. old kid?
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You distort the facts far more than WGA video. I'm a non-WGA writer/director with a Hollywood feature film financed and ready to go, but I support the WGA and am happy to put my film on hold until the strike ends. The producers make huge profits while those who actually CREATE get crumbs. Without writers what do you have? An office full of functionaries who are useless without the creative blueprint needed to make a show. GIVE THE WRITERS THE RESPECT AND THE INCOME THEY DESERVE!
I wanted more p.o.v on the strike & decided to watch ur reply. Ur 1st argument about WGA making non WGA unions suffer is flaky. Of course WGA would ban u from their org. if u chose to work during their strike; u're working against their efforts. If 100s more indi writers went to get films produced, that'd replace the strikers' work. All unions have to comply so that employers won't have alternative resources. After all, WGA's efforts may help ALL future unions, not just WGA. Check out Newsies.
On NBC I see advertizements all over. I see, aside from the NBC ads you were talking about, Honda, Verizon and some movie called "First Sunday" and I only went on the page for about three minutes to see if you were right. I wasn't going to those websites, you know, because the money doesn't go to the people who invented and wrote the show, just the people who own the network.
Actors get residuals from the national commercials they do, why is someone's literary creation any different than that?
I work in production and I have to negotiate all of my rates job by job. I don't have the benefits of being in a union (largely because producers and production companies don't want to give us benefits or overtime for all the long hours we work), but I can't see how you have the right to say anything when people have kids to feed and mortgages to pay just like you.
Public awareness and fighting for our rights is what this nation was founded on. From the moment tea was dumped into the Boston Harbor and we said as a collected nation that Britain could take their taxes and shove them up their @sses because we aren't going to take it anymore to the changing of food and work conditions brought on by public outrage generated from Upton Sinclair's The Jungle to the Teamsters.
The union is just a mass of people with similar goals and working environments who want to better their living conditions. No different from our forefather's, immigrants or any other citizen of the US. Who doesn't want to live a better life and give their children all the opportunities they possibly can?
Kinda sad that the vid cuts off right when you get to the douche bag studio part. I'm curious as to whether or not you work for a studio.
And if you want to whine about writers and their crappy movies, why don't you write something? You talk a big talk, but there's nothing to back it up.
you... are.... CORRECT SIR! when you break down the vid and talk about what they are saying YOU actually do sound like the one whose telling the truth here. but both your and their vids sound convincing...thank god i don't have to vote on this issue... (now i know what swing voters fell like)... but anyway, nice informative vid, and nice pic. however could you post another vid that talks about what those douchebag studios are doing? now that i'm interested i'd really like to know.
All they are trying to do is prevent themselves from being exploited. We should support them in their fair request. David Letterman thought their deal was fair, and that's why the WGA signed a deal with his show , independently of the AMPTP. Letterman will be returning to air early next year. Once the other networks and studios admit that the WGA's requests are reasonable, this strike will be over.
Your argument is flawed. Putting the writers' salaries and contract requests into perspective, you fail to mention the fact that the studios make many MANY times more than the writers, even after all the other people get royalties and production costs are paid. As for streaming video, networks are claiming to their stockholders that they are making anywhere from $500,000 to 2 million dollars in ad revenue from streaming videos.
Sorry, Studios are making a fortune selling advertising on websites showing franchised TV shows. Why shouldn't the writers get a portion of that. Strong arm tactics? Show proof or it is just a "he said she said" mess.
Bottom line, if only studios get royalties for internet advertising playing before/after/during shows or movies, writers should see a fraction of that.
You don't make sense. It's perfectly legal to discourage scabs. It's perfectly legal to ask that a producer keep their word and promises from 20 years ago. The WGA writers who make thousands and thousands of dollars? -- less than a dozen. Out of 12000 members. TV writers do make 3000 a week. For 13 weeks. So that's what, less than $40,000 a year.
I had a whole lot to say and then I listened to the last 10 seconds of audio and realized your just an idiot. You just like to hear your voice. You don't support WGA, You don't support the studios. If your a writer I would highly recommend siding with the WGA, unless of course you have already written that multi-million dollar screenplay that you can follow up with another one since you can't get the proper residuals. Douche
I dunno about the rest, but I believe what you said at the end was wrong. The fact that internet TV is only for promotional use. I disagree, some sites are working on putting the shows on the net permanently and apparently the networks (like NBC and ABC) are fine with. Check out Hulu, it's not up yet, but look at what they wanna do. Promotional use only? Yeah, I doubt that.
the wga are selfish greedy bastards who make millions and still want more they are hurting us the tv fans. They are also hurting the actors by making there jobs go bye bye
Just because they make a lot of money, doesn't mean that they shouldn't be compensated for their work. Just because you aren't capable (or even lucky) enough to make the same amount of money doesn't mean they should have to lower themselves to your standard!
You dummy. Three points 1)writers entertain the hell out of our country (good or bad its true we watch a lot) people will still watch even if the shows are bad. 2)They dont work the same as us. someone might write a great script, but then never have another well paying deal for ever. 3)those figures you quoted are in TOTAL movie sales. thats 200,000 over a long time.
Cheers. Great video! It's nice to see that not everyone is completely up the WGA's ass. It's too bad you got cut off when you went to talk about the studios. I was interested to hear what you had to say on that.
No advertising on the studio's websites? Just inner cross-promotions of their own shows? Really? I desided to a little fact checking myself at several studio sites and don't recall ever hearing of shows called K-mart, Ziplock, AT&T, Nintendo, Hasbro...
Business 101 - Wholessalers get their money before retailers i.e. Warner Bros. sales a movie to Wal-Mart, then Wal-Mart sales it, then the Waltons get paid not the other way around. Do you think these studios are going to sale property on credit? Or good faith? Read the chapter on Capitalism. Good Luck on your screenplay.
Love it or hate it, you have to admit it was some damn fine writing. Rhetoric at its finest. Those fine people who produced "I Love Lucy"? Really? They're effected by these FAT cats? 4 cents is only a mere pittance. See! Look at my graph. Wait a second now! Kids going without health care! Can't have that! Persuasive stuff!
It doesnt matter if they make tens or thousands of dollars, its about the percentage they get if THEIR WORK is selling. Yes, showbusiness is a rich industry, so what?
The logic is simple: if you are deriving ANY profit (be it selling DVDs, advertising, etc.) from SOMEBODY ELSES work, you should pay him a fair part from that profit.
All the babbling about how much money a writer makes is irrelevant. Yes, some people have better jobs than other - that doesnt mean they shouldnt be treated fairly.
Yes, the writerS are making several thousand a week. As a group, yes they are. Divide that by the number of writers working on a script. Oh, check it out, they make peanuts.
You fall prey to exactly what you're complaining about in this video.
This strike is about balancing the profession for the future. In all likelihood, television as it exists now will not even be a medium in 5 years. It has nothing to do with "greed", idiot. Get off your soapbox, you have nothing constructive to add.
lol i just thought about sumthin funny. if they are on strike about gettin a lil bit of money and how it could save there children and all that other stuff, than y would u go on strike where yur not getting NO money at all!?! thats doesnt seem very smart o.O could sum1 explain that to me?
You ignore that a writer might work one year and be out of work for the next FIVE years. If (s)he gets paid for 3 eps, then show's canceled, and no work for 2 years, it affects how that "initial pay" pays their bills. Duh.
I'm so tired of this ridiculous, socialist style of thinking where everyone deserves a piece of the profit. Writers, YOU WERE PAID! Unless you invest your own money in the project, you do not deserve a chunk of what is derived from it. That is basic capitalism and the drive of business. Believing you are entitled without taking any risks really just dents the economic system. Look at France.
Shit logic! Writers invest insane amounts of time into writing a script which may or may not be produced. So, if they spend all of that time writing then get nothing all of that time is lost. And because time = money they invested money into movie.
You obviously don't know much about economics. No one DESERVES anything. Not the writers, not the people who put up the money. It's not what we deserve, it's what we can negotiate. Supply and demand. By bargaining collectively, and striking when need be, writers are able to control the supply of their services, and therefore the price goes up. We are demanding a piece of the revenue because we fucking can. If the studios don't like it, well tough shit for them.
so just so we're clear... u *really* think that 500.000 dollars are a lot of money.
And that's "a lot of money", a network that makes another 5.000.000 dollars from a movie shouldn't pay the writers a cut, because they already got what u think is "a lot". 5.000.000 dollars is a lot, too, but since "a lot equals a lot", they should just settle for the other guy getting "a lot more".
if you worked as a writer, you'd probably just write good enough for brazilian soft porn.
Um, the network makes $5 million due to the fact they "invested" in the work. To get $500,000 without any financial risk is a great deal (i.e. the writers).
fair points apart from the internet section, they are asking for the rates based on the growth of the medium, not what it is right now, it has the potential to far exceed television in ad revenue.
i agree for the most part with your argument, but you are categorizing the top end earners. the rest might write one movie in 5 years! so 80,000 over five years aint that much! it's not like most writers work all the time.
If the writer's guild is greedy for wanting .04 of $20 (which isn't asking much of the net profit), how greedy is it to not give them a cut of the internet if it is generating revenue. If the studio can make $100,000 re-running an ep on the internet, why don't the writers deserve $200 of that (which is what they're asking.)?
It's easy to say "look at the greedy writers, they make $X off of a movie and then want moooooore." Of course they want more, especially when somebody else has found a way to profit from it without cutting them in (Internet). A movie from first ink on the page to the last day of work for a writer will often take several months if not a year or more. Getting an additional payout from that is a big deal. It's just like performance bonuses in other jobs.
I agree with this guy. Apart from, after watching the writer vid, It came across like they wanted paying everytime something is streamed, which is crazy. I am probably wrong. Also I don't see why money made from advertising (online) should go to them.
I'd agree w/ Carlyle if he was right. Writers create the entire blueprint for a show - they're not just some monkey working for a company.
99% of the writers spend years and years writing shit that doesn't get bought or made. So when or if they actually sell something, it makes up for the time out of work.
It's not all red carpets, blowjobs and limos. Access Hollywood is access to the biggest pile of bullshit.
Most writers are poor - fucking edge of homeless poor.
I laugh at all of you. i find it funny about risdual. How many other industry in the world do in sort of profit sharing which is what risdual are. They are not royalties like books where a book author might be able to sale 1 book in his life and either live off that or find something else. Simply put they are striking cause they think they will be fired when everything is reallity tv and movies or translated anime >.>
for all you writers striking you complain about how the producers get so much more money then you! come on... at any other job your boss would make more money than you and you don't see people wanting 8 cents for every product sold!
And how can you strike production going on right now when you have been paid for the scripps they are shooting? For all the people who will never get the free riches you already get I say F U!!!! You greedy scum bags!!!
one could argue that the internet is the next big step, with network TV soon to be forgotten. I think it's more complex than you make it... But honestly.. who makes the most, the greeder writers, or everyone else? Last I heard, the writers are the back bone of most of our entertainment.. For something like the dailyshow.. I think all 14 writers should share their 8%.
You didn't really answer their claim that they took an 80% cut on VHS sales to get the VHS market going. You bash them because they get paid once and want residuals but then you list off all the other people that get residuals, why should directors, actors and extras get paid "twice" too?
You are clueless on the internet television too. I have watched a lot of shows on the net that do have real commercials not just promos but actual paid advertisements that are making money for the network. Just because you can list a specific anecdotal case doesn't mean that people's work isn't being profited off of without them seeing residuals.
Amen, the maker of this video is an idiot. He has practically no (or at least, is not willing to admit to any) real world understanding of being a professional writer. The lollipop and gumdrops line about TV writers making "several thousand a WEEK" kills me - I'm a TV writer (thankfully, in Canada) that's trying to pay down my mortgage on my words... and it's not easy. I'm barely employed by most standards.
Imagine writers wishing to be compensated in perpetuity for work which produces profits in perpetuity! Imagine a group denying membership to people who actively oppose the causes supported by that group! Your outrage is either the consequence of ignorance or it is willful deception. You oppose people earning fair money off of the fruits of their labor; shame on you.
Honestly, I wouldn't say he "opposes" anything - this is not an intelligent rebuttal. It's just some jerk-off spewing his asstardery off his YouTube soapbox. He doesn't understand the industry, and almost everything he says is either conjecture and poorly supported anecdotal guesstimating. Why are we even responding to it? lol.
4. While you mention the money they make. You fail to acknowledge when the writers can't find work. When they don't have a steady TV gig or a screenplay being produced, they rely on their residuals. And only the big name writers are the ones making a lot of money. Most of them are broke doing odd jobs before they can do what they want to do.
5. Although it's faulty, it's better than GhostCow, who let the studios do his thinking for him.
Ding ding ding. A standard television series is 13 episodes - that is, 13 scripts. Most writers don't work alone. Even including pre-production development, those scripts are typically developed in under two months.
3. Official sites do put up ads for streamed shows. Have you even watched a show online? I think not. I've seen dozens of episodes online on both ABC and NBC and both feature ad breaks, usually a thirty second spot from one sponsor. On rare occasions do they skip the ad, that's usually a glitch. So when you say they aren't making money off of it, you're wrong and it hurts your argument.
1. You need to learn how to work a microphone. Even the "Chocolate Rain" guy can move away from the mike when he breathes. And don't bump into it!
2. You're exaggerating the sales. Yes, some DVDs sell millions of copies, but most don't. And you don't mention their raise is still 60% of their old rate they agreed to cut 20 years ago.
Senior! Thou hast made a well-thought-out argument, vastly superior to that of ghostcow. But, this is america-this country was founded on the principal of that it's not the actual thing that counts, but the idea behind it. Also, your argument might be a tad better if it didn't just cut off.
an interesting point of view, and very eloquently spoken. but your argument, if i may say, isn't any better than the writers argument you're trying to bash.
you highlight what u want to sensationalise. 400k-500k? why'd u leave out what the studio is earning?
second and more importantly, i believe the writers never came up with this "we are so poor" plea. you're the one who conjured this image: its not about their "paltry" salaries, come on. its about fairness.
1: First of all its 4 cents split between the entire staff.
2: Your sales estimates for DVDs are very high.
3: Yes, very sucessful writers make a lot of money. The vast majority make very little and the residual income is the only reliable income they can show to get loans and mortgages.
Most people don't understand the term "unemployed" as it pertains to writers.
It doesn't mean chilling in the Barbados sipping coconut rum. It means writing on spec, shopping scripts around, pitching ideas, meeting with producers and generally working your ass off while not making a dime.
This is the purpose of these contract negotiations. The unions are trying to make sure that the profits are distributed fairly to both parties in the symbiotic relationship between writers and producers.
Unions? Unions represent employees regarding health and welfare. The WGA is a Guild, representing the INDIVIDUAL interests of .001% of the film process.
The WGA contribuutes 0% to the greater good, and have never signed the FRONT of a paycheck.
You make a semantic point, at best. The WGA functions as a representative of the interests of its members, just like a union. IATSE, the union for film and tv crew, oversees wages in addition to health and welfare benefits, just like the WGA.
This debate isn't about the "greater good", it's about writers getting paid for the work that producers profit from.
All the arguments claiming that "writers get paid a lot, why are they complaining" are missing the point. Producers get paid many times over what writers get paid. Producers' profit is a result of the work of writers, and writers simply think that their intellectual property shouldn't benefit the producers disproportionately. They did a lot of work that is making the producers a lot of money. Is it wrong to be properly compensated for that work?
Another error in this response is the costs of packaging. Sure there are costs, but for a typical DVD in the plastic case the production costs are less than a dollar. So the packaging is not costing the companies much money.
To take it further, the 4 cents that the writers are asking for is SPLIT among ALL of the writers on a project. A typical TV show has at least 5 writers. So that 4 cents per DVD is split among at least 5 people to begin with, therefore they get less than 1 cent per DVD.
First off, when you talk about the DVD sales money this audio response does not have the correct numbers.
The amount of money that goes to residuals for a typical - scale union job for all of the directors, actors, writers and anyone else who worked on the project is LESS THAN 25 cents total to be split among ALL of the creative people who worked on the project. You talk about twisting the truth but you don't have your facts right.
...just because, you were too busy whacking off to your well written internet porn or LonelyGirl15.
Stupid media is created because stupid people buy it, but that's not the writer's fault, it's the studio's for producing and distributing it, and ultimately,
the stupid consumer for stupidly consuming it rather than reading a book, or making love to their wife... or hand... again.
And lastly Carlyle, if you are so dissatisfied with you meager existence, then why don't you spend less time creating your intricate animations, and more time getting a job that will make YOU happy, healthy and wealthy. Don't blame others for your shortcomings.
DVD sales amount to more sales then the theatrical release. They are known as CASH COWS and have been since the Studios bent the writers over the first time.
The studios aren't making 4 cents per video, as you so kindly pointed out. They're making 100 times that, if not more.
Secondly, internet is currently the wave of the future, if not, you shouldn't know so much about the NBC website, and what's happening on YouTube.
DVD sales amount to more sales then the theatrical release. They are known as CASH COWS and have been since the Studios bent the writers over the first time.
The studios aren't making 4 cents per video, as you so kindly pointed out. They're making 100 times that, if not more.
Secondly, internet is currently the wave of the future, if not, you shouldn't know so much about the NBC website, and what's happening on YouTube.
If you knew a damned thing about what you were talking about that would be one thing. But you are very dangerous. You are one of those people who doesn't have a clue about the writers or the reason they strike. You simply want to bitch.
The writers of The Office wrote 10 webisodes of The Office for season 2 (which actually won a daytime emmy) and the writers were never paid for them at all. This wasn't them missing residual payments, this was them working on Internet 'promotions' and never getting paid for it since it was never 'aired' on TV or DVD. People should get paid a fair ammount for the work they do, reguardless if it is a lot of money in your eyes.
Also, if you knew anything about a big company, the things you are saying about NBC and their ads for their own stuff is bull. Departments pay other departments for their work and it is how money is transferred around the company. When I do work for another a department in the company I work for, I send out a bill, and they pay for what I did.
You forgot to mention; By striking, they put thousands of people out of work. Plus local businesses and restaurants are hurt by shows shutting down production.
40% of DVD sales does not go to retail. I work in retail. If that was true, the DVD prices would have a lot more price competition.
The writers are the creative team that makes the shows possible. It is where the story comes from, where the jokes come from. They deserve what they are asking for. If anyone else involved was saying they were getting skrewed, you could make your same lame argument for every one of them.
So, put the script for sale at Wal Mart... Will people buy it for the story or the jokes? NO! It's the actors, the scenery and the special effects. Thats the reason people buy the DVDs.
Yea but could the DVD exist without the writing? No. Just like they couldn't exist with any of the parts missing. How does that mean that they don't deserve their fair share.
OH MY FUCKING GOD!!! They are not greedy!!! They are the CREATORS of the shows we love they should be highest on the totem pole of money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and no I am not a writer , I just support them.
...what they get paid up front, which you seem to believe is the only honest money, is already at a lower rate so that the writers have a vested interest in the residuals (i.e. the success of the show).
So please go back to your comfortable, ignorant hole and watch your favorite TV shows while holding nothing but contempt for the people who had to be broke for a long time to even get the chance to write them for you.
Yes, writers on a hit TV show (which MAYBE represent 2% of WGA members) make a lot of money. But after that show is over, which is rarely more than a few years, who knows whether they'll be able to find work again or not.
Most WGA writers are unemployed in a given year, and the annual median income is $5,000. The back-end residuals which you so despise are often the only thing carrying them between jobs...
You are a complete tool. I hoped you get raped by some 12,000 ton giant so you can see how it feels. And yes, if you sell a screenplay during the strike you don't get to be in our cool club. Have fun "blogging" about animation, asshole, while us real writers support our families.
(5) "Rich" writers... yes, Jerry Seinfeld made $1 billion dollars off his show (as did Larry David). THAT is where they get this "the average writer makes $200,000 per year!" figure... by averaging those guys together with a few thousand other writers who didn't earn a dime.
Your "arguments" are ridiculous and boil down to the idea that since SOME of us make more than you, then NONE of us should get paid.
(4) 16% of American households are now watching full episodes of TV online... should we ignore that fact, and allow 16% of our income to vanish? And more next year?
(3) The Networks are most DEFINITELY selling ads for the "promotional" internet episodes, and since those ads are unskippable, they make MORE for them than they do for televised episodes.
(1) Residuals are deferred payment for when our work sells in the future. Just like an author earns money when a store sells his book, just like a band earns when they sell a CD. (2) No one's asking for the same AMOUNT of money as TV on internet viewings, we're asking for the same PERCENTAGE that we get paid for TV broadcasts. There IS a difference.
Is there a reason why the video cuts so early? Can I find the full thing anywhere? Carlyle said it was 10 minutes and this is 6 minutes. Is there an extended version? PLEASE help me!
saarbt 4 months ago
you should be god
iamthemagoon 4 months ago
@TCVB91 you sir, are correct.
smartoonkid02 5 months ago
This man is my new Hero.
Satsujin1 8 months ago 2
This is why I'll stick to writing my book!
TheIronweasle 1 year ago
I totally agree with you
bobsquad321 1 year ago
well if carlyle says it then i agree!
omegakleb 1 year ago
1:33 HE HAS THE AUDACITY!! lolz
urbangekko 1 year ago
I am a screenwriter and yes this is all true. and you are doing the same thing as why we fight you amidded just a few facts.
ArrlenStudios 1 year ago
The fuck is a Sam Goody?
thief977 1 year ago
Oh no, the Writers' Guild shut him down!! D:
DAJ01 1 year ago
Man I was really getting into this podcast Carlyle then the video stops. Carlyle can you upload this to mediafire and put it in the drop down bar so people can download the full MP3.
ngvgnDOTcom 1 year ago 5
fucking writters strike. one of the main reason why heroes went down hill. at least season 4 kinda redemmed it
nymetsfan9121 1 year ago 3
Right on, brother.
As a fellow non-union screenwriter, I agree with every single point you made.
GeneralThornton 1 year ago 6
damn. carlyle know his shit haha wish more people were like that
Jerry11606 2 years ago
it was some ol bull shit!!
Oddball21112 2 years ago
right on.
beerasaurus 2 years ago 5
weird.. wish I found this back then..
mrcixthsunshine 2 years ago 7
Great video, carlyle's awesome...but why does it just cut off at 6:38?
creativeusername333 2 years ago 5
CARLYLE IZ KING!!!!!
TCVB91 2 years ago 44
@TCVB91
Wow didnt think I made much of a statement lmao
TCVB91 1 year ago
tell some jokes!
AdvanceNick 2 years ago 5
Agree, old and not very relavant but I definetly agree.
lothor1234 3 years ago
well said
LlamaBeetyPictures57 3 years ago
The strike was ignorant and childish, which is a shame because like he said, they had a good point. When they started painting themselves as impoverished work-horses, that's when I lost sympathy. If it were truly the case that they "loved their work," then why be willing to grind production to a halt over a fraction of a percent of a profit?
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it seems the only one talking horse shit is this guy,they write because they love it and why is it fair for other's to benefit more instead of the writer's or equally? perhaps you wouldnt complain so much when you go tot the movies and see how many crappy things are on!!!
latinaluvsmeg4life 3 years ago
Did you watch the video? The strike was for making more money, and the "crappy things that are going on" (by this, movies) already benefits them. They want twice as much now. They can make crap and make hundreds upon thousands of dollars just from poop jokes like an Adam Sandler movie. So please, how is Cargill pulling out horse shit?
thief977 3 years ago 5
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oh shut up!
notfunnypsp 2 years ago
@latinaluvsmeg4life your fucking stupid
69iambecomedeath89 7 months ago
Carlyle you rock man! You should be president!
balrog13571 3 years ago
Things like this make me realize that Carlyle is the most intelligent member of the Spill Crew.
KalikAP01 3 years ago 5
you've obviously never listened to their audio reviews and podcasts
notfunnypsp 2 years ago
Were you joking? I listen to them all the time now. I was new to Spill when I first left that comment. I'm confused as to what you're getting at.
KalikAP01 2 years ago
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funny cunt got beef with producer assholes!!
LOL
suck1000eggs 3 years ago
I agree
Yort515 3 years ago 2
great explanation carlyle.
dadman1988 3 years ago
i hope some day i can spend an hour writing a Larry the Cable Guy movie and make millions from and still have the right to complain
IEeTdeRt 3 years ago 3
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LeBartman 3 years ago
Good explanation, Carlyle.
ZeroApostle4Ever 3 years ago 4
People, to this day, still do not understand how much the common person gets robbed on DVD's. Considering the fact that it costs about 20 Cents to make a DVD and the casing it sits in, it's outrageous. Especially since the average NON-HD or Blue ray DVD can cost up to 25 bucks at some stores. People say "Aww poor companies, all the piracy is killing their sales." I say bullshit. Charging 20 bucks for a DVD when minimum wage hovers just over 7 dollars in this country is sickening, evil in fact.
AnimeCynic 3 years ago 8
and that why bit torrents exist(i don't support illegal download)
StressedoutGamer 3 years ago
lol
notfunnypsp 2 years ago
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WTF the writers get paid for $700 for a week.
homemarks 3 years ago
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You might not have heard, strike's over. Go back to torturing kittens or whatever you do when you're not enjoying people being put out of work. (Oh, by the way, slander is a legal term. To justify a lawsuit for slander you'd have to reveal what you were being paid to post hater comments against working people, that my comments were not true, and how my comments damaged your income. I read your work, somehow I don't think anyone would pay for you to post that idiosy).
camshaff 4 years ago
Added: November 11, 2007
"idiosy"
CarlyleSpill 3 years ago
greedy bastards! OMG, I wish those pussies would quit with the drama.
1boredsonbitch 4 years ago 5
"thats Horse shit" lol
davidbecker5 4 years ago
Notice given to the WGA site, pleae watch and observe WGA ethics: "WGA I am writing this to notify you that one of your supporters has created multiple usernames (lizjewelry, earlboylou, etc.) and is posting pro WGA comments pretending to be many different WGA supporters. Are these WGA sanctioned tactics? If they are not, please block this user (users, hahaha). For examples, go to your "Why we Fight" video comments."
camshaff 4 years ago
Admirable of the WGA for that.
OlaftheFlashy 4 years ago
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Camshaff-
First off, quit w/this post. It's slander & it's illegal.
Second, you posted about a bogus 'class action suit' against WGA UNTIL someone pointed out THAT was illegal. (cc'd to WGA hq)
You posted anti-WGA quotes citing Variety & the Chicago Tribune but you were quoting blogger responses to articles & crediting the journalists. ILLEGAL. Copies sent to the editors & youtube. Referred them to you. Good luck kiddo.
Check out Cam's profile. Retired father of an 18yr. old kid?
earlboylou 4 years ago
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You distort the facts far more than WGA video. I'm a non-WGA writer/director with a Hollywood feature film financed and ready to go, but I support the WGA and am happy to put my film on hold until the strike ends. The producers make huge profits while those who actually CREATE get crumbs. Without writers what do you have? An office full of functionaries who are useless without the creative blueprint needed to make a show. GIVE THE WRITERS THE RESPECT AND THE INCOME THEY DESERVE!
XmasEve2012 4 years ago
That all very well but I notice you haven't actually adress a single point Carley video made in your post.
Ellaborate: on which points is he wrong on? Give me some facts. I'm interested to know.
OlaftheFlashy 4 years ago 20
this is funny as hell
tone1245 4 years ago
I wanted more p.o.v on the strike & decided to watch ur reply. Ur 1st argument about WGA making non WGA unions suffer is flaky. Of course WGA would ban u from their org. if u chose to work during their strike; u're working against their efforts. If 100s more indi writers went to get films produced, that'd replace the strikers' work. All unions have to comply so that employers won't have alternative resources. After all, WGA's efforts may help ALL future unions, not just WGA. Check out Newsies.
nb342 4 years ago
Interesting.
Nightsinger 4 years ago
Right on!!!
kupo21 4 years ago
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probablytoolate 4 years ago
On NBC I see advertizements all over. I see, aside from the NBC ads you were talking about, Honda, Verizon and some movie called "First Sunday" and I only went on the page for about three minutes to see if you were right. I wasn't going to those websites, you know, because the money doesn't go to the people who invented and wrote the show, just the people who own the network.
skankP 4 years ago 3
Actors get residuals from the national commercials they do, why is someone's literary creation any different than that?
I work in production and I have to negotiate all of my rates job by job. I don't have the benefits of being in a union (largely because producers and production companies don't want to give us benefits or overtime for all the long hours we work), but I can't see how you have the right to say anything when people have kids to feed and mortgages to pay just like you.
jakethebronze 4 years ago
Public awareness and fighting for our rights is what this nation was founded on. From the moment tea was dumped into the Boston Harbor and we said as a collected nation that Britain could take their taxes and shove them up their @sses because we aren't going to take it anymore to the changing of food and work conditions brought on by public outrage generated from Upton Sinclair's The Jungle to the Teamsters.
jakethebronze 4 years ago
The union is just a mass of people with similar goals and working environments who want to better their living conditions. No different from our forefather's, immigrants or any other citizen of the US. Who doesn't want to live a better life and give their children all the opportunities they possibly can?
jakethebronze 4 years ago
Kinda sad that the vid cuts off right when you get to the douche bag studio part. I'm curious as to whether or not you work for a studio.
And if you want to whine about writers and their crappy movies, why don't you write something? You talk a big talk, but there's nothing to back it up.
jakethebronze 4 years ago
It'd be nice if you cited your sources.
mikesxdestroy 4 years ago
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who are you exactly?
sideshowbob492 4 years ago
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So when a musician writes a song we should only pay them to record the album but when the album goes platinum they get nothing...right?
GPWChomper 4 years ago
you... are.... CORRECT SIR! when you break down the vid and talk about what they are saying YOU actually do sound like the one whose telling the truth here. but both your and their vids sound convincing...thank god i don't have to vote on this issue... (now i know what swing voters fell like)... but anyway, nice informative vid, and nice pic. however could you post another vid that talks about what those douchebag studios are doing? now that i'm interested i'd really like to know.
linux750 4 years ago
All they are trying to do is prevent themselves from being exploited. We should support them in their fair request. David Letterman thought their deal was fair, and that's why the WGA signed a deal with his show , independently of the AMPTP. Letterman will be returning to air early next year. Once the other networks and studios admit that the WGA's requests are reasonable, this strike will be over.
BigJackMcBastard 4 years ago
Your argument is flawed. Putting the writers' salaries and contract requests into perspective, you fail to mention the fact that the studios make many MANY times more than the writers, even after all the other people get royalties and production costs are paid. As for streaming video, networks are claiming to their stockholders that they are making anywhere from $500,000 to 2 million dollars in ad revenue from streaming videos.
BigJackMcBastard 4 years ago
I dont know about that sword
It doesnt seem to be aligned properly
xpietou 4 years ago
Sorry, Studios are making a fortune selling advertising on websites showing franchised TV shows. Why shouldn't the writers get a portion of that. Strong arm tactics? Show proof or it is just a "he said she said" mess.
Bottom line, if only studios get royalties for internet advertising playing before/after/during shows or movies, writers should see a fraction of that.
BBSoonerOU 4 years ago
You don't make sense. It's perfectly legal to discourage scabs. It's perfectly legal to ask that a producer keep their word and promises from 20 years ago. The WGA writers who make thousands and thousands of dollars? -- less than a dozen. Out of 12000 members. TV writers do make 3000 a week. For 13 weeks. So that's what, less than $40,000 a year.
You're an idiot.
2ndhandprose 4 years ago
I had a whole lot to say and then I listened to the last 10 seconds of audio and realized your just an idiot. You just like to hear your voice. You don't support WGA, You don't support the studios. If your a writer I would highly recommend siding with the WGA, unless of course you have already written that multi-million dollar screenplay that you can follow up with another one since you can't get the proper residuals. Douche
runtripp 4 years ago
I dunno about the rest, but I believe what you said at the end was wrong. The fact that internet TV is only for promotional use. I disagree, some sites are working on putting the shows on the net permanently and apparently the networks (like NBC and ABC) are fine with. Check out Hulu, it's not up yet, but look at what they wanna do. Promotional use only? Yeah, I doubt that.
mikzilla0 4 years ago
the wga are selfish greedy bastards who make millions and still want more they are hurting us the tv fans. They are also hurting the actors by making there jobs go bye bye
(mattstoner) if ist bad i wont watch it
xion1212 4 years ago
Just because they make a lot of money, doesn't mean that they shouldn't be compensated for their work. Just because you aren't capable (or even lucky) enough to make the same amount of money doesn't mean they should have to lower themselves to your standard!
folkrockergrrrl 4 years ago
hw wasnt saying that he dissagree's with the money they make hes dissagreing with the video ethics and they way the portrayed it
brendanofaus 4 years ago 2
Okay, I understand your point. They make tons of money, but guess what? Talent is WORTH money. That's capitalism.
tairourou 4 years ago
Very well put
DaxxonFord 4 years ago 4
well put sir.
HMunster1313 4 years ago 3
They nearly conviced me,thanks a lot for giving me another side of the story.
tacosandtrains 4 years ago 4
So few facts? Did you watch the video?
jkun17 4 years ago 3
You dummy. Three points 1)writers entertain the hell out of our country (good or bad its true we watch a lot) people will still watch even if the shows are bad. 2)They dont work the same as us. someone might write a great script, but then never have another well paying deal for ever. 3)those figures you quoted are in TOTAL movie sales. thats 200,000 over a long time.
mattstoner 4 years ago
Great observation, asshole.
MadScout 4 years ago 3
Cheers. Great video! It's nice to see that not everyone is completely up the WGA's ass. It's too bad you got cut off when you went to talk about the studios. I was interested to hear what you had to say on that.
secondcrimson 4 years ago
No advertising on the studio's websites? Just inner cross-promotions of their own shows? Really? I desided to a little fact checking myself at several studio sites and don't recall ever hearing of shows called K-mart, Ziplock, AT&T, Nintendo, Hasbro...
OneRottenTomato 4 years ago
Business 101 - Wholessalers get their money before retailers i.e. Warner Bros. sales a movie to Wal-Mart, then Wal-Mart sales it, then the Waltons get paid not the other way around. Do you think these studios are going to sale property on credit? Or good faith? Read the chapter on Capitalism. Good Luck on your screenplay.
jiggajag02 4 years ago
40k split between maybe 8-12 TV writers?
watson2078 4 years ago
Love it or hate it, you have to admit it was some damn fine writing. Rhetoric at its finest. Those fine people who produced "I Love Lucy"? Really? They're effected by these FAT cats? 4 cents is only a mere pittance. See! Look at my graph. Wait a second now! Kids going without health care! Can't have that! Persuasive stuff!
exwyizee 4 years ago
It doesnt matter if they make tens or thousands of dollars, its about the percentage they get if THEIR WORK is selling. Yes, showbusiness is a rich industry, so what?
The logic is simple: if you are deriving ANY profit (be it selling DVDs, advertising, etc.) from SOMEBODY ELSES work, you should pay him a fair part from that profit.
All the babbling about how much money a writer makes is irrelevant. Yes, some people have better jobs than other - that doesnt mean they shouldnt be treated fairly.
hvavra 4 years ago 3
Yes, the writerS are making several thousand a week. As a group, yes they are. Divide that by the number of writers working on a script. Oh, check it out, they make peanuts.
You fall prey to exactly what you're complaining about in this video.
forgiver03 4 years ago
This strike is about balancing the profession for the future. In all likelihood, television as it exists now will not even be a medium in 5 years. It has nothing to do with "greed", idiot. Get off your soapbox, you have nothing constructive to add.
somethingpretty24 4 years ago
lol i just thought about sumthin funny. if they are on strike about gettin a lil bit of money and how it could save there children and all that other stuff, than y would u go on strike where yur not getting NO money at all!?! thats doesnt seem very smart o.O could sum1 explain that to me?
LilBrandont 4 years ago
go to cafe press and click on nick counters spec sucks.
mlex2311 4 years ago
You ignore that a writer might work one year and be out of work for the next FIVE years. If (s)he gets paid for 3 eps, then show's canceled, and no work for 2 years, it affects how that "initial pay" pays their bills. Duh.
solarisguardian 4 years ago
I'm so tired of this ridiculous, socialist style of thinking where everyone deserves a piece of the profit. Writers, YOU WERE PAID! Unless you invest your own money in the project, you do not deserve a chunk of what is derived from it. That is basic capitalism and the drive of business. Believing you are entitled without taking any risks really just dents the economic system. Look at France.
Enferes 4 years ago 2
Shit logic! Writers invest insane amounts of time into writing a script which may or may not be produced. So, if they spend all of that time writing then get nothing all of that time is lost. And because time = money they invested money into movie.
b5201 4 years ago 3
TIME = MONEY
Writers spend countless hours writing... hence they invested money in the movie.
rmm221 4 years ago
Staking selves take up time as well.
OlaftheFlashy 4 years ago
You obviously don't know much about economics. No one DESERVES anything. Not the writers, not the people who put up the money. It's not what we deserve, it's what we can negotiate. Supply and demand. By bargaining collectively, and striking when need be, writers are able to control the supply of their services, and therefore the price goes up. We are demanding a piece of the revenue because we fucking can. If the studios don't like it, well tough shit for them.
hurleyvillain 4 years ago
well, there's a "since" missing in my comment... go figure.. I'm not a writer :-)
fckurmarketing 4 years ago
so just so we're clear... u *really* think that 500.000 dollars are a lot of money.
And that's "a lot of money", a network that makes another 5.000.000 dollars from a movie shouldn't pay the writers a cut, because they already got what u think is "a lot". 5.000.000 dollars is a lot, too, but since "a lot equals a lot", they should just settle for the other guy getting "a lot more".
if you worked as a writer, you'd probably just write good enough for brazilian soft porn.
fckurmarketing 4 years ago
Um, the network makes $5 million due to the fact they "invested" in the work. To get $500,000 without any financial risk is a great deal (i.e. the writers).
Enferes 4 years ago
fair points apart from the internet section, they are asking for the rates based on the growth of the medium, not what it is right now, it has the potential to far exceed television in ad revenue.
i agree for the most part with your argument, but you are categorizing the top end earners. the rest might write one movie in 5 years! so 80,000 over five years aint that much! it's not like most writers work all the time.
moshun 4 years ago
Also,
If the writer's guild is greedy for wanting .04 of $20 (which isn't asking much of the net profit), how greedy is it to not give them a cut of the internet if it is generating revenue. If the studio can make $100,000 re-running an ep on the internet, why don't the writers deserve $200 of that (which is what they're asking.)?
royalgk 4 years ago
It's easy to say "look at the greedy writers, they make $X off of a movie and then want moooooore." Of course they want more, especially when somebody else has found a way to profit from it without cutting them in (Internet). A movie from first ink on the page to the last day of work for a writer will often take several months if not a year or more. Getting an additional payout from that is a big deal. It's just like performance bonuses in other jobs.
royalgk 4 years ago
I agree with this guy. Apart from, after watching the writer vid, It came across like they wanted paying everytime something is streamed, which is crazy. I am probably wrong. Also I don't see why money made from advertising (online) should go to them.
Backofthekop 4 years ago
I'd agree w/ Carlyle if he was right. Writers create the entire blueprint for a show - they're not just some monkey working for a company.
99% of the writers spend years and years writing shit that doesn't get bought or made. So when or if they actually sell something, it makes up for the time out of work.
It's not all red carpets, blowjobs and limos. Access Hollywood is access to the biggest pile of bullshit.
Most writers are poor - fucking edge of homeless poor.
roninfilm 4 years ago
What you just said is the complete opposite of what Carlyle said.
TrisBob92 4 years ago
Exactly. What Carlyle said is unfounded and is the opinion of a person on the internet, not a professional writer who actually knows these things.
djozeff 4 years ago
Being against someone for their tactics is a very very unprofessional approach to something, if you are for the cause you should support the cause.
Duckthehobo 4 years ago
but i do wish he didn't get cut off when he did cause he was going to tell his opinion of the studioes.
Bradjg1978 4 years ago
I laugh at all of you. i find it funny about risdual. How many other industry in the world do in sort of profit sharing which is what risdual are. They are not royalties like books where a book author might be able to sale 1 book in his life and either live off that or find something else. Simply put they are striking cause they think they will be fired when everything is reallity tv and movies or translated anime >.>
Bradjg1978 4 years ago
for all you writers striking you complain about how the producers get so much more money then you! come on... at any other job your boss would make more money than you and you don't see people wanting 8 cents for every product sold!
BlandVideo 4 years ago
True, but you also don't see everyone watching Heroes on thier blenders.
TrisBob92 4 years ago
And how can you strike production going on right now when you have been paid for the scripps they are shooting? For all the people who will never get the free riches you already get I say F U!!!! You greedy scum bags!!!
timtubing 4 years ago
But your right, the tactic is pretty awful.
RedPandaBoy 4 years ago
one could argue that the internet is the next big step, with network TV soon to be forgotten. I think it's more complex than you make it... But honestly.. who makes the most, the greeder writers, or everyone else? Last I heard, the writers are the back bone of most of our entertainment.. For something like the dailyshow.. I think all 14 writers should share their 8%.
RedPandaBoy 4 years ago 2
You didn't really answer their claim that they took an 80% cut on VHS sales to get the VHS market going. You bash them because they get paid once and want residuals but then you list off all the other people that get residuals, why should directors, actors and extras get paid "twice" too?
skankinemu 4 years ago
You are clueless on the internet television too. I have watched a lot of shows on the net that do have real commercials not just promos but actual paid advertisements that are making money for the network. Just because you can list a specific anecdotal case doesn't mean that people's work isn't being profited off of without them seeing residuals.
skankinemu 4 years ago
Amen, the maker of this video is an idiot. He has practically no (or at least, is not willing to admit to any) real world understanding of being a professional writer. The lollipop and gumdrops line about TV writers making "several thousand a WEEK" kills me - I'm a TV writer (thankfully, in Canada) that's trying to pay down my mortgage on my words... and it's not easy. I'm barely employed by most standards.
somethingpretty24 4 years ago
Imagine writers wishing to be compensated in perpetuity for work which produces profits in perpetuity! Imagine a group denying membership to people who actively oppose the causes supported by that group! Your outrage is either the consequence of ignorance or it is willful deception. You oppose people earning fair money off of the fruits of their labor; shame on you.
ilikesnacks 4 years ago 2
Honestly, I wouldn't say he "opposes" anything - this is not an intelligent rebuttal. It's just some jerk-off spewing his asstardery off his YouTube soapbox. He doesn't understand the industry, and almost everything he says is either conjecture and poorly supported anecdotal guesstimating. Why are we even responding to it? lol.
somethingpretty24 4 years ago
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fuck you writers fans ! lick them asses
thepolman 4 years ago
4. While you mention the money they make. You fail to acknowledge when the writers can't find work. When they don't have a steady TV gig or a screenplay being produced, they rely on their residuals. And only the big name writers are the ones making a lot of money. Most of them are broke doing odd jobs before they can do what they want to do.
5. Although it's faulty, it's better than GhostCow, who let the studios do his thinking for him.
scantv24 4 years ago
Ding ding ding. A standard television series is 13 episodes - that is, 13 scripts. Most writers don't work alone. Even including pre-production development, those scripts are typically developed in under two months.
somethingpretty24 4 years ago
3. Official sites do put up ads for streamed shows. Have you even watched a show online? I think not. I've seen dozens of episodes online on both ABC and NBC and both feature ad breaks, usually a thirty second spot from one sponsor. On rare occasions do they skip the ad, that's usually a glitch. So when you say they aren't making money off of it, you're wrong and it hurts your argument.
scantv24 4 years ago 2
1. You need to learn how to work a microphone. Even the "Chocolate Rain" guy can move away from the mike when he breathes. And don't bump into it!
2. You're exaggerating the sales. Yes, some DVDs sell millions of copies, but most don't. And you don't mention their raise is still 60% of their old rate they agreed to cut 20 years ago.
scantv24 4 years ago
Senior! Thou hast made a well-thought-out argument, vastly superior to that of ghostcow. But, this is america-this country was founded on the principal of that it's not the actual thing that counts, but the idea behind it. Also, your argument might be a tad better if it didn't just cut off.
Eduplicate 4 years ago
lol...you said Sam Goody
4t0msk1 4 years ago
an interesting point of view, and very eloquently spoken. but your argument, if i may say, isn't any better than the writers argument you're trying to bash.
you highlight what u want to sensationalise. 400k-500k? why'd u leave out what the studio is earning?
second and more importantly, i believe the writers never came up with this "we are so poor" plea. you're the one who conjured this image: its not about their "paltry" salaries, come on. its about fairness.
yardypoop 4 years ago 6
I am so angry with this writers strike! I hope it will end soon.
foxsweet 4 years ago
you sound like my old history teacher, good speach
rave0220 4 years ago
Your math is fuzzy in several ways.
1: First of all its 4 cents split between the entire staff.
2: Your sales estimates for DVDs are very high.
3: Yes, very sucessful writers make a lot of money. The vast majority make very little and the residual income is the only reliable income they can show to get loans and mortgages.
2ltdab 4 years ago 4
Good video!!
stevehamn 4 years ago
Most people don't understand the term "unemployed" as it pertains to writers.
It doesn't mean chilling in the Barbados sipping coconut rum. It means writing on spec, shopping scripts around, pitching ideas, meeting with producers and generally working your ass off while not making a dime.
LeFlaneur00 4 years ago 2
Most people don't understand the term "unemployed" as it pertains to the writers and the whole entertainment industry.
"Unemployed" does not mean chilling out in Barbados sipping coconut rum.
It means shopping scripts around, pitching ideas, meeting producers, and writing on spec. It means working your ass off and not making a dime.
LeFlaneur00 4 years ago
This is the purpose of these contract negotiations. The unions are trying to make sure that the profits are distributed fairly to both parties in the symbiotic relationship between writers and producers.
informationism 4 years ago
Unions? Unions represent employees regarding health and welfare. The WGA is a Guild, representing the INDIVIDUAL interests of .001% of the film process.
The WGA contribuutes 0% to the greater good, and have never signed the FRONT of a paycheck.
GdubSurf 4 years ago
You make a semantic point, at best. The WGA functions as a representative of the interests of its members, just like a union. IATSE, the union for film and tv crew, oversees wages in addition to health and welfare benefits, just like the WGA.
This debate isn't about the "greater good", it's about writers getting paid for the work that producers profit from.
informationism 4 years ago 4
All the arguments claiming that "writers get paid a lot, why are they complaining" are missing the point. Producers get paid many times over what writers get paid. Producers' profit is a result of the work of writers, and writers simply think that their intellectual property shouldn't benefit the producers disproportionately. They did a lot of work that is making the producers a lot of money. Is it wrong to be properly compensated for that work?
informationism 4 years ago 3
Another error in this response is the costs of packaging. Sure there are costs, but for a typical DVD in the plastic case the production costs are less than a dollar. So the packaging is not costing the companies much money.
VitalityVideo 4 years ago 2
To take it further, the 4 cents that the writers are asking for is SPLIT among ALL of the writers on a project. A typical TV show has at least 5 writers. So that 4 cents per DVD is split among at least 5 people to begin with, therefore they get less than 1 cent per DVD.
VitalityVideo 4 years ago
that's still about $100,000
BlandVideo 4 years ago
not quite.
playnine9 4 years ago
First off, when you talk about the DVD sales money this audio response does not have the correct numbers.
The amount of money that goes to residuals for a typical - scale union job for all of the directors, actors, writers and anyone else who worked on the project is LESS THAN 25 cents total to be split among ALL of the creative people who worked on the project. You talk about twisting the truth but you don't have your facts right.
VitalityVideo 4 years ago
for part 1 and part 2 see below...
Part 3
...just because, you were too busy whacking off to your well written internet porn or LonelyGirl15.
Stupid media is created because stupid people buy it, but that's not the writer's fault, it's the studio's for producing and distributing it, and ultimately,
gilstube 4 years ago
the stupid consumer for stupidly consuming it rather than reading a book, or making love to their wife... or hand... again.
And lastly Carlyle, if you are so dissatisfied with you meager existence, then why don't you spend less time creating your intricate animations, and more time getting a job that will make YOU happy, healthy and wealthy. Don't blame others for your shortcomings.
gilstube 4 years ago
When did wage-slaves like Carlyle start defending studio?
crimsoncorsair 4 years ago
He does there a furthur 4 minutes of audio about that.
OlaftheFlashy 4 years ago
n't.
I meant doesn't.
OlaftheFlashy 4 years ago
this guy's such a douchebag I don't even know where to start...
hurleyvillain 4 years ago
Carlyle,
Show your ugly NBC watching face.
DVD sales amount to more sales then the theatrical release. They are known as CASH COWS and have been since the Studios bent the writers over the first time.
The studios aren't making 4 cents per video, as you so kindly pointed out. They're making 100 times that, if not more.
Secondly, internet is currently the wave of the future, if not, you shouldn't know so much about the NBC website, and what's happening on YouTube.
gilstube 4 years ago
If you don't like sh*tty movies, don't reward the studios by going to see sh*tty movies in the theaters and renting sh*tty movies from Blockbuster,
gilstube 4 years ago
Carlyle,
Show your ugly NBC watching face.
DVD sales amount to more sales then the theatrical release. They are known as CASH COWS and have been since the Studios bent the writers over the first time.
The studios aren't making 4 cents per video, as you so kindly pointed out. They're making 100 times that, if not more.
Secondly, internet is currently the wave of the future, if not, you shouldn't know so much about the NBC website, and what's happening on YouTube.
gilstube 4 years ago
If you knew a damned thing about what you were talking about that would be one thing. But you are very dangerous. You are one of those people who doesn't have a clue about the writers or the reason they strike. You simply want to bitch.
BITCH! BITCH! BITCH!
democraticpatriot 4 years ago
The writers of The Office wrote 10 webisodes of The Office for season 2 (which actually won a daytime emmy) and the writers were never paid for them at all. This wasn't them missing residual payments, this was them working on Internet 'promotions' and never getting paid for it since it was never 'aired' on TV or DVD. People should get paid a fair ammount for the work they do, reguardless if it is a lot of money in your eyes.
TheAngryCapt 4 years ago
Also, if you knew anything about a big company, the things you are saying about NBC and their ads for their own stuff is bull. Departments pay other departments for their work and it is how money is transferred around the company. When I do work for another a department in the company I work for, I send out a bill, and they pay for what I did.
TheAngryCapt 4 years ago
You forgot to mention; By striking, they put thousands of people out of work. Plus local businesses and restaurants are hurt by shows shutting down production.
strangemovies 4 years ago
40% of DVD sales does not go to retail. I work in retail. If that was true, the DVD prices would have a lot more price competition.
The writers are the creative team that makes the shows possible. It is where the story comes from, where the jokes come from. They deserve what they are asking for. If anyone else involved was saying they were getting skrewed, you could make your same lame argument for every one of them.
TheAngryCapt 4 years ago
So, put the script for sale at Wal Mart... Will people buy it for the story or the jokes? NO! It's the actors, the scenery and the special effects. Thats the reason people buy the DVDs.
strangemovies 4 years ago
Yea but could the DVD exist without the writing? No. Just like they couldn't exist with any of the parts missing. How does that mean that they don't deserve their fair share.
TheAngryCapt 4 years ago
OH MY FUCKING GOD!!! They are not greedy!!! They are the CREATORS of the shows we love they should be highest on the totem pole of money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and no I am not a writer , I just support them.
squirrelgirl007 4 years ago
You don't know anything.
Dude, learn the sh*t before you start complaining.
kclin11 4 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
all of those writers are jewish Nazis
masterOFpuppets06 4 years ago
what happened to the part at the end where you started talking about the studios? I wanted to hear that part.
the idea that television and film writers are all fabulously wealthy seems kind of unbelievable.
mohip050 4 years ago
Interesting how the audio was cut JUST before he started on the studios.
TrisBob92 4 years ago
...what they get paid up front, which you seem to believe is the only honest money, is already at a lower rate so that the writers have a vested interest in the residuals (i.e. the success of the show).
So please go back to your comfortable, ignorant hole and watch your favorite TV shows while holding nothing but contempt for the people who had to be broke for a long time to even get the chance to write them for you.
diww 4 years ago
Yes, writers on a hit TV show (which MAYBE represent 2% of WGA members) make a lot of money. But after that show is over, which is rarely more than a few years, who knows whether they'll be able to find work again or not.
Most WGA writers are unemployed in a given year, and the annual median income is $5,000. The back-end residuals which you so despise are often the only thing carrying them between jobs...
diww 4 years ago
You are a complete tool. I hoped you get raped by some 12,000 ton giant so you can see how it feels. And yes, if you sell a screenplay during the strike you don't get to be in our cool club. Have fun "blogging" about animation, asshole, while us real writers support our families.
seamlessegg 4 years ago
(5) "Rich" writers... yes, Jerry Seinfeld made $1 billion dollars off his show (as did Larry David). THAT is where they get this "the average writer makes $200,000 per year!" figure... by averaging those guys together with a few thousand other writers who didn't earn a dime.
Your "arguments" are ridiculous and boil down to the idea that since SOME of us make more than you, then NONE of us should get paid.
Propaganda1776 4 years ago 4
(4) 16% of American households are now watching full episodes of TV online... should we ignore that fact, and allow 16% of our income to vanish? And more next year?
Propaganda1776 4 years ago 5
(3) The Networks are most DEFINITELY selling ads for the "promotional" internet episodes, and since those ads are unskippable, they make MORE for them than they do for televised episodes.
Propaganda1776 4 years ago 3
(1) Residuals are deferred payment for when our work sells in the future. Just like an author earns money when a store sells his book, just like a band earns when they sell a CD. (2) No one's asking for the same AMOUNT of money as TV on internet viewings, we're asking for the same PERCENTAGE that we get paid for TV broadcasts. There IS a difference.
Propaganda1776 4 years ago 3