Quite a simplistic view of a very complicated problem. Medical malpractice is a side note when it comes to sky rocketing health care costs... And just because one is working doesn't mean they get insurance.
Sure, nobody is turned away for ER treatment, but what about people who work, have no insurance, and have cancer? I guess they should just die or go in to millions in debt. Fuck em, we should just be bombing countries instead. I like Adam, but this is BS.
apparently this stuff is years old. i only remembered carolla from the man show and loveline, where he was just riffing on simple life issues. only since i caught his OCW rant did i stumble across all these other current events type topics. the guy makes a lot of sense and now thinking of subscribing to his podcast and listening when during work outs
@keyofeflat That's your reply? "listen to speak, duh" You have no right to call someone an asshole when you're powers of comprehension and stunning illiteracy are so glaring.
Well, I kind of agree with some of his statements but I actually work for a living and this prick gets over compensated for yapping. So now that he has money which he hardley deserves he looks down upon those who don't. So - GET A REAL JOB YOU FUCKING BITCH.
@keyofeflat I asked "How is he an asshole?" As in, what makes him an asshole? Not how long has he been an asshole. I'm asking you to back up your statement.
Apparently it pays to depend on someone! there is no love for self sufficient productive members of society who prefer not to live amongst the masses of sheeple!
At the same time theres Bobby and Janey Rae down at the ol Carson Country court. Bobby is a fix it guy (who "looks" for work at the employment office 3 days a week) but earns no taxable income and spends 8 hard hours a day drinking beer in his garage while Janey chases their 3 kids around the house. Meanwhile the state gov keeps them comfortable helping with their rent, electricity, phone, food and health care expenses worry free.......
What I dont understand is how can you take two households... say neighbors... one guy works at the lumber mill down the road, the other is the owner opp logger. Now the first guy can get health insurance through his company in per-say zip code 98765 now house B lives in the same zip code and doesnt care whether he pays more or less but he cant get equal services under his own name because there is no coverage for that area? Does this make any sense?
I am 24 healthy and married female. We have worked our way into the "middle class" bracket on the income scale by means of the logging industry. Our income has trippled in the last year. Last year any of our 4 family members could drive 5 minutes to the dr with no out of pocket costs, my girls and I qualified for state medical. Now we have the MEANS to purchase health insurance but not the ABILITY. We are dienied because of our zip code! SORRY NO PLANS AVAILABLE FOR PRODUCTIVE CITIZENS!
@meeces13 yeah, it's funny how you have a flight of physicians from the field, and people who come to our country for health care, since your quality is so bad. We have top quality health care and have led medical innovation and breakthroughs because of it.
@causalatet1845 this is what youre told to believe and you buy it. its false. youre also supposed to be "the land of the free" yet youve got the largest prison population on the planet. wake up and realize youre being fed propaganda. clue in already
@meeces13 FYI, Other countries run healthcare under a central agency (the government), cut costs and allocate resources to make healthcare affordable. This reduces quality because they use outdated equipment, the list goes on. We run through the private sector. However, We have Federally Qualified Health Centers that offer healthcare regardless of ability to pay. Also, there are not 41 million uninsured taking illegal aliens and the eligible who haven't applied for insurance into account.
@meeces13 Also, Canada runs under the National Health Insurance program, a complete joke. You use general taxes and then deliver healthcare privately with detached arrangements. By the way, if you don't live in the USA, then shut the fuck up and worry about you're own country.
@meeces13 I know exactly what I'm talking about, google everything I say. In the Canadian province of British Columbia, according to surgeon Dr. Lawrence Burr, 15 heart patients died while on a waiting list for heart surgery. Fact. Explain that.
@causalatet1845 haha. so this is nothing from actual experience. just 2nd hand information. sad. you should really have more pride in yourself than to be another's stooge.
@meeces13 Yeah, second hand information that is the truth, and is accepted by professionals in the entire healthcare field. But yeah I guess that isn't good enough, huh?
@causalatet1845 you also accept that you beat the nazis which isnt true either. learn when youre being fed propaganda, think your own thoughts. my cousin had a tumor, was airlifted by helicopter over 400 miles. none of his treatments,trips or stays cost him a cent. hes not in debt and is healthy. friends of ours had a disabled daughter - home care, airlifts, treatment and medicine was all FREE for 20 years. i was hit by a car, broke my arm, got it fixed right away, all free. clue the fuck in
@meeces13 It isn't free, your people pay taxes. Not everything is propaganda, thats a childish way of thinking. Most education and research is credible. And good job judging the healthcare system of your nation by a couple stories of your friends and family. I tend to analyze things a little bit more. By the way, if you were educated in healthcare, you would realize that access to medical care has 10% to do with the health of a nation(environment, genetics, lifestyle is the other 90%).
@causalatet1845 a childish way of thinking is to believe youre right at all costs. of course it isnt "free", but no one lives in a compounded fear of debt on top of their ailments,trauma and stress. ide say that trade off is fairly obvious.
Here is what the morons don't realize... When you go to that ER with NO health insurance... what happens? You get signed up for MEDICARE. So we ALL pay for your healthcare.. Also just try walking into a PRIVATE hospital for healthcare with no insurance. All they are obligated to do is to EVALUATE and stabilize you and transfer you to a PUBLIC hospital. If it is non life threatening then you will not be treated there. To fix the problem you have to UNDERSTAND THE PROBLEM
I love Adam, but he just (unintentionally) made the entire argument for the individual mandate in the President's health care bill. He had no insurance, got hurt, went to the hospital and paid nothing for his care.
That's called "uncompensated care" - and guess who paid for Adam's bill that day?
Taxpayers. You and me.
He says "no one has a right to health care" and then tells a story about getting health care and sticking the public with the bill.
@onebrightmonkey You and me *and Adam (he's always been a taxpayer).
If you're against this welfare then shouldn't you be outraged over ObamaCare which amplifies it?
The difference is Adam recognizes that getting free care wasn't his right. Like most others, he took advantage of its availability and at least for a good reason. Others think it's their right, visit the ER for being intoxicated and the ER must admit them. I've heard "regulars" like these say they didn't have a ride home so
@onebrightmonkey they called an ambulance. The ER knows it's BS but they're mandated to do so. Why? Liability. Adam, correctly identifies one root of the healthcare problem, being litigation. The other is govt. interference. Healthcare would be vastly cheaper and more available w/o those 2 problems alone. Other issues include domino effects of other govt regulations.
Bottom line: govt doesn't do anything efficiently or effectively.
I love Adam, but he just (unintentionally) made the entire argument for the individual mandate in the President's health care bill. He had no insurance, got hurt, went to the hospital and paid nothing for his care.
That's called "uncompensated care" - and guess who paid for Adam's bill that day?
Taxpayers. You and me.
He says "no one has a right to health care" and then tells a story about getting health care and sticking the public with the bill.
Wow. I always figured he was a pretty clueless fellow, but I didn't realize it was this bad. It's especially how confident and passionate he is about his short sighted opinions.
@leufious That's funny because I always find Carolla to be spot on and was pleasantly surprised to hear him echo the words of Rand Paul regarding this "right". Carolla is 100% correct on this.
If you think healthcare is a right, then why not housing, food, education, clothing, transportation?
BTW: It's not like he wants poor sick people to rot away. He knows that they'll be cared for regardless= i.e. charities, compassionate doctors,,. Still we need reform, but in the opposite direction.
Basic health care should be free, if you then want a fibreglass cast instead of the cheap plaster cast for your broken arm then you should have to pay for it!!
The reason privatized medicine will always be much more expensive than nationalized is that the pharmecudical coorporations need to make enormous profit. Whether it's by getting sweatshop labor overseas or selling for an increasingly higher price here, it must make more and more profit. When companies can't produce the medicine and make money at the same time, what will happen? Thats right, the government will subsadize them because we can't afford to let the nation go without medicine.
A single payer system such as medicare for all does not require person A to pay for person B's healthcare. It requires all people to pay for healthcare through a payroll tax. It then allows the government to push down costs through its bargaining power and cut out the large bureaucracies at insurance companies that are solely dedicated to not paying on claims that it owes. This is definitely not Obama care, but it is what the majority of Americans want and should demand.
@billaround however govt already pushes down cost through FORCED NEGOTIATION, thats why we dont have competetive markets or actul costs when it comes to HC. the govt now sets the standard price my friend.
plus what you are talking about would require a PRIVATIZED system, which could work if we killed certain tax programs, like credits and deductibles
I agree that Having a job in America is no guarantee that you can afford even basic healthcare. However, I still don't see how if person "A" that has figured out how to make money and has never met a less fortunate person B should be forced at gunpoint by the government to pay for person "B"'s healthcare.
Adam believes that he became successful purely based upon his work ethic. He denies that he has a one in a million comedic mind and that he caught some great breaks along the way. By his flawed libertarian logic poor black kids should simply do what Michael Jordan did.
@billaround No, adam suggested that the parents of those said poor black kids should not have had the kids to begin with seeing that they could not afford to take care of them. He also suggested that now that those kids have already been born that they should go get a job once they are adults. At no point did he suggest that those said poor kids should become famous so they have enough money for health care.
@sirbluebloodington Having a job in America is no guarantee that you can afford even basic healthcare. Nor is a desire for a job a guarantee that you can find one. I do agree that if you are working class in America it would be cruel to your children for you to pursue the joys of parenthood.
Lemme just say...I liked Adam Carolla. Until now, fuck'm, he says the solution for healthcare is limit births to those who can't afford the kids, I'm for that. However, he say's everyone else who's able bodied,"get a fuckin job"!! I say fuck you, Adam. Personally, I'm lucky as hell to have a good job in healthcare and benefits. But, hey guess what, Adam not everyone can find even a decent job at least 'round here in SW Ohio. Point blank good jobs are scarce now, so shut up! =)
@monkeyRL Then leave Ohio. His point is, there's jobs everywhere, unless they're calling security to escort you out of the building your not trying hard enough.
Liberals are far too risk-averse with regards to all of these issues. Bad things happen, and these events are neither "fair" nor "right." But this is the nature of life, and to try to correct for these inevitabilities is ultimately a massive waste of resources. The best that we can hope for is equal opportunities—equal outcomes is completely unrealistic.
Well Adam, you probably don't know anyone without healthcare because you live in California. And California has mediCAL which covers everyone too destitute to afford care. So you're kinda sorta making an argument for universal coverage without realizing it. Also, while the emergency room isn't a bad option for a traffice accident, it won't cover a kidney transplant, disease treatment, or any type of non life threatening surgery
Adams logic is great untill he gets cancer and his private insurance drops him and no other insurance company will cover him because of his pre exsisting condition. he will then go broke trying to pay out of pocket he will lose his house and die in the streets. Woaw what a great healthcare system we have ; )
@sweetpelon except theres almost nobody that that happens to...obama trots out these rare cases and makes them seem like they happen constantly to anybody with cancer. its fucking bs, and stop trying to lie your way into an argument.
Why not also stop paying for other people's libraries, roads and police stations. They're not mine, so who cares? You want protection? Hire police. You want knowledge? Buy your own god damn books. You want roads? Build them. Can't afford healthcare? Your fault. I'll pay for mine (which I can), and you take care of yourself.
If we don't have the right to healthcare, we don't have the right to life. It's not right to deny someone something thats necessary to live.
@AnotherMasterMind if you cant afford HC you can get medicaid or get treated at community hospitals. you can do a pay over time plan. you can use credit cards, there are options before you but you dumbass americans dont even know your own system. jsut face it you have become part of a system that wants to keep you stupid and look for govt to solve every answer
@Russellt0228 for the masses of people who actually have privatized insurance, medicade is much harder to get than assumed. States treat it differently, but it depends on your income, family size, where you live, and what the illness is. MANY illnesses are simply noy treated or covered. As for the income, in many states you would have to go into debt before you qualify. Privatized medicine is ridiculous and drives medical costs to absurd levels.
@AnotherMasterMind actually privatized medicine has remained at a fairly low level compared to the insane technology we use and churn out. you are thinking about this as 1 person and not 1000 using all the programs.
the insurance would depend on the amount of sick patients, the problem is since its a fixed price, ppl who have been healthy can't get a good rate. and now ppl can completely skip on on HI and buy it once they get a serious illnes. that in itself is horrendous.
@Russellt0228 and do yoy REALLY think poor people can just use credit cards untill the bills are paid? All these fantastic "options" don't really exist.
@AnotherMasterMind absoulutely. you have this assumption that i'm rich or something? my whole life is surrounded among the poor, and every single person i know who has less than 100 dollars in their account has a credit card, oh and ia big screen TV oh and NETFLIX, Cable, and a car.
priorities my friend, priorities. 500 bucks for H.I. or 150 bucks for Black Berry?
@AnotherMasterMind If you have the right to health care you have the right so someone's labor. Are you saying that if a doctor has a medical license he must give you healthcare? What if all the doctors in the United States decided to strike? Are they to be imprisoned because they are infringing on your right to healthcare? Do you see how tyrannical your statement is?
@Orionx30 What are you talking about? Have you read the hippocratic oath? If doctors don't want to treat patients they can quit. I confused as to what you mean. Do cops have to protect us? How is it tyrannical to expect docors to help the sick. Thats what they do. If a firefighter pulls me out of a burning building, it's because thats the career he chose. I don't see what your saying the problem is.
@AnotherMasterMind I'm saying, if you have the right to health care then you have a right to someone's labor and then they must work. I don't know how to make it anymore clear than that. I was pretty clear in my last statement. But I am saying that if you have a right to health care, how is that possible if a doctor can just quit? If there are not doctors or people willing to do the job then how can you have a right to this?
I disagree. If a poor person walks into an E.R. with a broken arm, they'll get it fixed, and then be in debt to the hospital for 5 years. If someone needs a surgery to live, but it costs 400,000 dollars, two things can happen. Either the hospital will refuse and the patient will die, or they'll do it and the patient will be in enormous debt for the rest of their life, a slave to their financial masters. How is this right?
@AnotherMasterMind It's an economic problem. Why are the costs so obscenely high? That's the question everyone forgets to ask. It's because a system that allows competitive bidding to reduce the price has been destroyed by government-enforced monopolies. If you just increase the pool of those paying into a one-size fits-all insurance scheme, you will only encourage costs to increase because you've just created another barrier between the real buyers and sellers, obscuring the true costs.
@AnotherMasterMind Because goods and services that make up health care requires resources and complex technology, and people with years of costly education. These things like everything else are governed by the laws of economics?
So sure say everything is free, see how many cancer drugs and MRI's come into existence to magically cure you.
so the machines that were created through money, the doctor who took loans to go to med school. youre saying that person whos limbs and life is saved owes them nothing?
@Russellt0228 We all owe them something. They provide a valuable and *necessary* service for everyone. Like a cop, or a firefighter, or a judge, or a politician. What do you owe a firefighter who saves your life from a burning building? Please answer that question. Is it so much different than a doctor? Wre owe them our respect and our support, not our life savings. And don't act like all the uninsured can just "get medicade". Forgetting for a second how pathetic health coverage is cont.
@Russellt0228 I didn't mean to imply that doctors only deserve adoration. I was comparing them to other public employees who are really hero's in a sense. The system works better when necessary jobs aren't privatized, get it? Like a police officer. If that job were controled by a business, You'd get what you get with healthcare today. Great security, if you can afford it. The point is that some aspects of society shouldn't be left to coorperations to control. continued.
@Russellt0228 Here's whats absolutely true. The govt's involvement in healthcare today is a messed up situation. This half in half out philosophy they have isn't working. There are two basic ways to approach this. We could leave the phamecudical corporations and medical businesses to their own devices and try to have a less regulated market, or we could nationalized these industries and initiate national healthcare. I would prefer democratic regulation for all when it comes to the essential
@AnotherMasterMind have you ever seen a unionized nurse work? i grew up poor and have seen those wonderful self-righteous hospitals. they work for TAX PAYER MONEY DUDE. they work because their jobs are safe okay. they dont do it because of any moral reasons, thats relying on 1 out of a million ppl. the reality is we need a govt that holds parties accountable but doesnt hold their pay accountable. thats what you are misunderstanding here. Great intentions but belive me it leads to poor results
@AnotherMasterMind Read Ron Paul's book... he was a physician for decades and his office never turned anyone away until Medicare started picking up the tab. That's when doctors stopped philanthropic care and pointed people to the ER where they won't be denied.
@AnotherMasterMind The surgery still cost 400,000 dollars to preform. Who pays for it? People do not work for free and surgeons do not educate themselves for free either. Nor is taxpayer money infinite to pay for everyones 400,000 dollar surgery.
@Orionx30 Why do you think a surgery can cost 400,000 dollars? It doesn't cost anywhere near that much to actiually perform the surgery. Behind the expensive pills, shots, and machinery, are coorperations who need to make big profits. Ofcoarse it's not free, but nothing is. Nationalizing these industries would decrease these prices dramatically. Unfortunattly this is not what Obama's healthcare plan does. He wants to nationalize insurance, but not the actual medical industry, *sigh*.
@AnotherMasterMind You stated the 400,000 not me. Nationalizing would decrease efficiency and innovation. When you take away the profit motive you take away the two things I mentioned above.You focus on what I you think is wrong besides answering my specific questions. You are dodging the questions.
@Orionx30 How efficient do you think the privatized system is? Efficient in relation to what goal? Providing healthcare? Medicare has a fraction of the administrative costs but, the medicine itself still costs a lot because it works through the pharmecudical coorporation's prices. Australia's healthcare system is a decent example of what ours could be. When it comes to public necessities, I think we should have the right to someone elses labor, yes, like cops, firefighters, politicians.
@AnotherMasterMind Medicare is broke and if you read the news they are trying to cut funding because of how much it eats into the budget. Administrative costs is a moot point and in many cases understated by medicare. Medicine is expensive because they must pay (governmental regulation) to the people they hurt. In other countries they rely on the U.S. to research these drugs. The the costs are lower.
A right to someone's labor is slavery. You have much learning to do.
@Orionx30 I agree that Medicare is broke and is a broken system. It tries to mix privatized healthcare with universal health insurance, which ofcoarse can't last, but is certainly more efficient at providing healthcare than insurance companies (but less efficient at earning profit). Again, I disagree with your phrasing that either we have the right to someones labor or not. The state has an obligation to provide it's citizens with a reasonable level of security. As such no individual owes..
@Orionx30 me their labor directly, however the state has an obligation to hire a police force to uphold the law. Whether or not you want to call that slavery is up to you, but I would agree with this form of providing public safety. Now clearly providing healthcare is another issue. An "entitlement" as you say. I certainly agree that healthcare is somewhat less necessary than security, but with your definition, would security not also be an entitlment?
I disagree with your opinion on medicare and private vs. socialized healthcare. Universal healthcare can't last. The major factor is that we don't have the tax base anymore to pay for the retiring babyboomers.
Obligations are much different that a right. Anything that takes from taxpayers and gives to another person is an entitlement. From that definition... no, its not an entitlement, it is employment of citizens, but not a handout.
@Orionx30 You might know more about this than me, but I thought the government provides about 100 billion dollars a year to research medical technologies. So if other nations rely on medical discoveries, is that credit given to the pharmecudical coorporations, or who incentivises them to do that work? However you shouldn't discount how much privatized drug companies drive up prices to gain profits. Take a look at how much profit these companies make anually and you'll see how much is wasted.
@AnotherMasterMind Government spends about .1% of`total GDP on research of pharm. That's 14 billion.
Companies like Merk, Pfizer, Elli Lilly spend about a billion dollars per drug. Pfizer had 14 drugs in 2009 that we consider successes. That puts thing in perspective.
@Orionx30 Those occupations I just mentioned in no way imply that someone who works for the government can't quit. I think my example stands. Do we have the right to security? Yes. Would that mean that a cop can't quit? Ofcoarse not. It's true that if a necessary occupation is lacking in numbers, we must increase the incentives, but the *goal* is not to make profit in this case, but to provide a necessary service for the citizens in a democracy. Is that really so tyranical?
@AnotherMasterMind Providing a service is different then making it a right. A right can't be taken away and if someone stops working they are taking that right away. Maybe you don't understand what a "right" is. But most are inalienable. meaning it cannot be taken away by the Government. You can never own the right to someone's labor.
You don't have the right to safety. Safety is not something that must be provided by society, although it is a function of government it is not a right.
@Orionx30 Then I will amend my position to adjust for definitions. I contend that we do have a right to life. This right exists in relation to our government (not to the universe or anything transcendant). The way you worded your original question/statement is manipulative. "If you have the right to health care you have the right so someone's labor". Forget about rights for a minute, a democratic state has certain obligations to it's citizens wouldn't you agree?
@AnotherMasterMind Yes, but I think we will disagree on what a Republic owes its people. It should not provide entitlements to its people. Its should allow liberty to thrive.
@Orionx30 continued... So assuming that your understanding of rights does not require the state providing security, it is still true that states should provide essential services of this nature correct?, even if you do not understand them to be in responce to "rights" there are still state obligations in democratic societies right?.
@AnotherMasterMind Well I take the logical approach to solving this puzzle. If you are a 'back yard wrestler' who broke your arm jumping off your friends roof, you deserve to be in debt for 5 years. If you chose to eat so much food that your heart is about to explode and need a transplant, you deserve to fucking die. When YOU stop holding people accountable for their shitty choices in life which directly affect their health, YOU are wrong. Personal accountability is all I ask.
@mookixox I agree but only halfway. People who do stupid crap that fucks them up shouldn't be a burden to the system and that a pick-and-choose system does seem desirable. But...what stops the pick and choose system from providing healthcare only to those with 100K+ a year jobs similar to how health insurance companies work. That's why I support socialized medicine...it takes the greed out of the equation and can be fine-tuned to serve everyone's best interests.
@darkinsdme2 i agree. i dont have insurance, i get sick or need some attention to anything, its the ER for me and my wife. we are not rich, laid off, took crappy jobs. no insurance. and i spend around 450 a month on medications. its rough. but its life in the USA, the supposed best place on earth. yet 35th in healthcare.
@JovialEel I think well before that happens, we might have already colonized entire galaxies. Technology advances so quickly, just imagine where we might be in 1000 years. Maybe i'm being overly optimistic, but who knows.
@JovialEel Oh, you're a psychic? You can see 4 billion years into the future, huh? Okay, well how about I call you a moron. Bet you didn't see that coming!
not every fucking job includes healthcare benefits, one. and even those who think they have coverage are very often denied by insurance companies when they have pre-existing conditions (a shitty practice by these health insurance companies).
and furthermore, single payer healthcare systems, where everyone is covered, cost less. and if you think healthcare in those countries is shitty, do some research on France.
is it really that important to help the bottom line for insurance companies?
I think Adam missed the part that every able bodied person should be able to have a job, USA has exported over 90 percent of its manufacturing industry to mexico and overseas nations!!! Hell you can't even call an IBM customer support rep without talking to some dude out in Crapghanistan India...
That bit about "are we going to invite everyone from countries with shitty healthcare in" is bogus, as the USA currently has one of the worst healthcare systems in the developed world. Nobody in their right mind is going to go there for healthcare who isn't going there already (Mexico).
Some of the conditions certain people were born with that prohibit them from working hard and earning a living are stupidity, laziness, lack of ambition and apathy. We as a society have to take care of them too, because no one be forced to work if they don't want to.
I like Adam Carolla but this is a grand over simplification. When you go to the emergency room someone pays for it, and its probably Adam Carolla and his buddy here. As to poor people not just shitting out kids...he's got a HUGE FUCKING POINT!!! But his overall gripe about nobody not having healthcare is just wrong. I know I can't afford 3 or 4 thousand dollars a year out of my pay. I'm a student.
these guys are idiotic. Its not as if people are asking for free healthcare. We are asking for reform so that private companies with no oversight get to make decisions over whether or not someone can pay for overpriced meds, or healthcare. I though adam carolla was a sub-par comic, now i know he's and ignorant dunce as well.
@Chucksporterhouse2 Bullshit you were'nt asking for free Health care thats what the Dems you put in power ALL voted for and got! Maybe YOU didnt want free Health care but the overwhelming Liberals certainly did and YOU didnt speak up enough to just get Tort reform (which is what should have happened.
Health care in U.S.: If your rich, no problem, If your poor, no problem. If your middle class, you have a problem. You shouldn't loose your house because you can't pay your medical bills.
The person who wipes the toilet seat in your favorite restaurant so your white furry ass won't get dirty should get health care. Not everyone can be a president; not everyone can be a CEO. Shouldn't the bottom workers, the so-called lazy people be entitled to health care?
@fakebrainclub That is the single dumbest thing I have ever heard. Have you ever heard the saying, " There is no such thing as an economy of managers"? It means that there has to and always will be poor people. The necessity to aid those less fortunate extends beyond the physically and/or mentally handicaped. I have met many widowed or single mothers juggling a two jobs, three kids, and all the expenses associated with having those kids, Corolla is talking out of his ass
@strongbad4usean No, hes not, nobody forced her to have three kids while working underpaid jobs, she brought it upon herself, its called self control.
@SocialDissimulation Why do people assume that because nobody is going to steal for the poor (taxing people for welfare) that nobody will give to them? Charity is perfectly acceptable, using a government agent to steal from someone isn't.
Quite a simplistic view of a very complicated problem. Medical malpractice is a side note when it comes to sky rocketing health care costs... And just because one is working doesn't mean they get insurance.
Sure, nobody is turned away for ER treatment, but what about people who work, have no insurance, and have cancer? I guess they should just die or go in to millions in debt. Fuck em, we should just be bombing countries instead. I like Adam, but this is BS.
RainCityBlues 1 month ago 2
apparently this stuff is years old. i only remembered carolla from the man show and loveline, where he was just riffing on simple life issues. only since i caught his OCW rant did i stumble across all these other current events type topics. the guy makes a lot of sense and now thinking of subscribing to his podcast and listening when during work outs
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@keyofeflat That's your reply? "listen to speak, duh" You have no right to call someone an asshole when you're powers of comprehension and stunning illiteracy are so glaring.
mercury82 2 months ago
Well, I kind of agree with some of his statements but I actually work for a living and this prick gets over compensated for yapping. So now that he has money which he hardley deserves he looks down upon those who don't. So - GET A REAL JOB YOU FUCKING BITCH.
TheSololobo 2 months ago
@TheSololobo Carolla was poor for most of his life. Don't think because he makes good money now that he doesn't know anything about being poor.
tsdcs 1 month ago
@keyofeflat I asked "How is he an asshole?" As in, what makes him an asshole? Not how long has he been an asshole. I'm asking you to back up your statement.
mercury82 2 months ago
@keyofeflat How is he an asshole?
mercury82 2 months ago
Thank you Adam. Go to hell wetbacks and liberals.
MrBolas33 3 months ago
"All the unemployed people get a job"
There are about 5 unemployed people chasing every job
tommy8ball2007 3 months ago
@tommy8ball2007
What does that have to do with pooping out below average kids and personal responsibility?
yak6ex 2 months ago
Apparently it pays to depend on someone! there is no love for self sufficient productive members of society who prefer not to live amongst the masses of sheeple!
CraZyGiRL5093 5 months ago
At the same time theres Bobby and Janey Rae down at the ol Carson Country court. Bobby is a fix it guy (who "looks" for work at the employment office 3 days a week) but earns no taxable income and spends 8 hard hours a day drinking beer in his garage while Janey chases their 3 kids around the house. Meanwhile the state gov keeps them comfortable helping with their rent, electricity, phone, food and health care expenses worry free.......
CraZyGiRL5093 5 months ago
What I dont understand is how can you take two households... say neighbors... one guy works at the lumber mill down the road, the other is the owner opp logger. Now the first guy can get health insurance through his company in per-say zip code 98765 now house B lives in the same zip code and doesnt care whether he pays more or less but he cant get equal services under his own name because there is no coverage for that area? Does this make any sense?
CraZyGiRL5093 5 months ago
I am 24 healthy and married female. We have worked our way into the "middle class" bracket on the income scale by means of the logging industry. Our income has trippled in the last year. Last year any of our 4 family members could drive 5 minutes to the dr with no out of pocket costs, my girls and I qualified for state medical. Now we have the MEANS to purchase health insurance but not the ABILITY. We are dienied because of our zip code! SORRY NO PLANS AVAILABLE FOR PRODUCTIVE CITIZENS!
CraZyGiRL5093 5 months ago
sooo where do ya get a good job now days since they got rid of the middle class?
caveman1968 5 months ago 2
Oh America, when will you join the 1st world already?
giansideros 6 months ago
Health care in Canada isn't free, I pay for it with my taxes.
As for Americans talking about how low quality the Canadian health care system is, stop watching Fox News.
mistrbrwn 6 months ago 2
Adam Blowrolla
Ettoredipugnar 6 months ago
I like how now the liberals are trying to say you have the right to a cell phone. Whats next the right to a xbox?
jimmi161 6 months ago
yeah im canadian, this is all a joke to us.its free, its great, and your all confused and angry.
meeces13 6 months ago
@meeces13 yeah, it's funny how you have a flight of physicians from the field, and people who come to our country for health care, since your quality is so bad. We have top quality health care and have led medical innovation and breakthroughs because of it.
causalatet1845 6 months ago
@causalatet1845 this is what youre told to believe and you buy it. its false. youre also supposed to be "the land of the free" yet youve got the largest prison population on the planet. wake up and realize youre being fed propaganda. clue in already
meeces13 6 months ago
@meeces13 FYI, Other countries run healthcare under a central agency (the government), cut costs and allocate resources to make healthcare affordable. This reduces quality because they use outdated equipment, the list goes on. We run through the private sector. However, We have Federally Qualified Health Centers that offer healthcare regardless of ability to pay. Also, there are not 41 million uninsured taking illegal aliens and the eligible who haven't applied for insurance into account.
causalatet1845 6 months ago 2
@meeces13 Also, Canada runs under the National Health Insurance program, a complete joke. You use general taxes and then deliver healthcare privately with detached arrangements. By the way, if you don't live in the USA, then shut the fuck up and worry about you're own country.
causalatet1845 6 months ago 3
@causalatet1845 learn what youre talking about before you make statements. youre completely ignorant/brainwashed - this is why youre the joke here
meeces13 6 months ago
@meeces13 I know exactly what I'm talking about, google everything I say. In the Canadian province of British Columbia, according to surgeon Dr. Lawrence Burr, 15 heart patients died while on a waiting list for heart surgery. Fact. Explain that.
causalatet1845 6 months ago
@causalatet1845 haha. so this is nothing from actual experience. just 2nd hand information. sad. you should really have more pride in yourself than to be another's stooge.
meeces13 6 months ago
@meeces13 Yeah, second hand information that is the truth, and is accepted by professionals in the entire healthcare field. But yeah I guess that isn't good enough, huh?
causalatet1845 6 months ago
@causalatet1845 you also accept that you beat the nazis which isnt true either. learn when youre being fed propaganda, think your own thoughts. my cousin had a tumor, was airlifted by helicopter over 400 miles. none of his treatments,trips or stays cost him a cent. hes not in debt and is healthy. friends of ours had a disabled daughter - home care, airlifts, treatment and medicine was all FREE for 20 years. i was hit by a car, broke my arm, got it fixed right away, all free. clue the fuck in
meeces13 6 months ago
@meeces13 It isn't free, your people pay taxes. Not everything is propaganda, thats a childish way of thinking. Most education and research is credible. And good job judging the healthcare system of your nation by a couple stories of your friends and family. I tend to analyze things a little bit more. By the way, if you were educated in healthcare, you would realize that access to medical care has 10% to do with the health of a nation(environment, genetics, lifestyle is the other 90%).
causalatet1845 6 months ago
@causalatet1845 a childish way of thinking is to believe youre right at all costs. of course it isnt "free", but no one lives in a compounded fear of debt on top of their ailments,trauma and stress. ide say that trade off is fairly obvious.
meeces13 6 months ago
Here is what the morons don't realize... When you go to that ER with NO health insurance... what happens? You get signed up for MEDICARE. So we ALL pay for your healthcare.. Also just try walking into a PRIVATE hospital for healthcare with no insurance. All they are obligated to do is to EVALUATE and stabilize you and transfer you to a PUBLIC hospital. If it is non life threatening then you will not be treated there. To fix the problem you have to UNDERSTAND THE PROBLEM
jesterd14 7 months ago
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giftpacker 7 months ago
Ah, the great american spirit xD
ImJustSkyo 8 months ago
I love Adam, but he just (unintentionally) made the entire argument for the individual mandate in the President's health care bill. He had no insurance, got hurt, went to the hospital and paid nothing for his care.
That's called "uncompensated care" - and guess who paid for Adam's bill that day?
Taxpayers. You and me.
He says "no one has a right to health care" and then tells a story about getting health care and sticking the public with the bill.
Sounds like welfare to me.
onebrightmonkey 8 months ago
@onebrightmonkey You and me *and Adam (he's always been a taxpayer).
If you're against this welfare then shouldn't you be outraged over ObamaCare which amplifies it?
The difference is Adam recognizes that getting free care wasn't his right. Like most others, he took advantage of its availability and at least for a good reason. Others think it's their right, visit the ER for being intoxicated and the ER must admit them. I've heard "regulars" like these say they didn't have a ride home so
TheFreezer872 8 months ago
@onebrightmonkey they called an ambulance. The ER knows it's BS but they're mandated to do so. Why? Liability. Adam, correctly identifies one root of the healthcare problem, being litigation. The other is govt. interference. Healthcare would be vastly cheaper and more available w/o those 2 problems alone. Other issues include domino effects of other govt regulations.
Bottom line: govt doesn't do anything efficiently or effectively.
TheFreezer872 8 months ago
I love Adam, but he just (unintentionally) made the entire argument for the individual mandate in the President's health care bill. He had no insurance, got hurt, went to the hospital and paid nothing for his care.
That's called "uncompensated care" - and guess who paid for Adam's bill that day?
Taxpayers. You and me.
He says "no one has a right to health care" and then tells a story about getting health care and sticking the public with the bill.
Sounds like welfare to me Adam.
onebrightmonkey 8 months ago
Wow. I always figured he was a pretty clueless fellow, but I didn't realize it was this bad. It's especially how confident and passionate he is about his short sighted opinions.
leufious 8 months ago
@leufious That's funny because I always find Carolla to be spot on and was pleasantly surprised to hear him echo the words of Rand Paul regarding this "right". Carolla is 100% correct on this.
If you think healthcare is a right, then why not housing, food, education, clothing, transportation?
BTW: It's not like he wants poor sick people to rot away. He knows that they'll be cared for regardless= i.e. charities, compassionate doctors,,. Still we need reform, but in the opposite direction.
TheFreezer872 8 months ago
@TheFreezer872 I agree. I'm flat broke and I still have good health care.
ndc18 7 months ago
what a social reformer LOL
Conquestidore 9 months ago
Basic health care should be free, if you then want a fibreglass cast instead of the cheap plaster cast for your broken arm then you should have to pay for it!!
sweatpig 10 months ago
Lots of people having kids, can't afford or care for them. The more kids, more gov't money and free healthcare on our dime!!!!
redhead5150 10 months ago
The reason privatized medicine will always be much more expensive than nationalized is that the pharmecudical coorporations need to make enormous profit. Whether it's by getting sweatshop labor overseas or selling for an increasingly higher price here, it must make more and more profit. When companies can't produce the medicine and make money at the same time, what will happen? Thats right, the government will subsadize them because we can't afford to let the nation go without medicine.
AnotherMasterMind 10 months ago
A single payer system such as medicare for all does not require person A to pay for person B's healthcare. It requires all people to pay for healthcare through a payroll tax. It then allows the government to push down costs through its bargaining power and cut out the large bureaucracies at insurance companies that are solely dedicated to not paying on claims that it owes. This is definitely not Obama care, but it is what the majority of Americans want and should demand.
billaround 10 months ago
@billaround however govt already pushes down cost through FORCED NEGOTIATION, thats why we dont have competetive markets or actul costs when it comes to HC. the govt now sets the standard price my friend.
plus what you are talking about would require a PRIVATIZED system, which could work if we killed certain tax programs, like credits and deductibles
Russellt0228 10 months ago
I agree that Having a job in America is no guarantee that you can afford even basic healthcare. However, I still don't see how if person "A" that has figured out how to make money and has never met a less fortunate person B should be forced at gunpoint by the government to pay for person "B"'s healthcare.
sirbluebloodington 1 year ago
Adam believes that he became successful purely based upon his work ethic. He denies that he has a one in a million comedic mind and that he caught some great breaks along the way. By his flawed libertarian logic poor black kids should simply do what Michael Jordan did.
billaround 1 year ago
@billaround No, adam suggested that the parents of those said poor black kids should not have had the kids to begin with seeing that they could not afford to take care of them. He also suggested that now that those kids have already been born that they should go get a job once they are adults. At no point did he suggest that those said poor kids should become famous so they have enough money for health care.
sirbluebloodington 1 year ago
@sirbluebloodington Having a job in America is no guarantee that you can afford even basic healthcare. Nor is a desire for a job a guarantee that you can find one. I do agree that if you are working class in America it would be cruel to your children for you to pursue the joys of parenthood.
billaround 1 year ago
Some Wisdom?!?!
OgadnNightmare 1 year ago
Lemme just say...I liked Adam Carolla. Until now, fuck'm, he says the solution for healthcare is limit births to those who can't afford the kids, I'm for that. However, he say's everyone else who's able bodied,"get a fuckin job"!! I say fuck you, Adam. Personally, I'm lucky as hell to have a good job in healthcare and benefits. But, hey guess what, Adam not everyone can find even a decent job at least 'round here in SW Ohio. Point blank good jobs are scarce now, so shut up! =)
monkeyRL 1 year ago
@monkeyRL Then leave Ohio. His point is, there's jobs everywhere, unless they're calling security to escort you out of the building your not trying hard enough.
00D00 1 year ago
@monkeyRL why do you say fuck em if you disagree with his pov?
great demonstration at american stupidity. you can always get medicaid if you are unemployed my friend
the problem with HC is there is no competition and Americans are to stupid to see how great their system is
so they get taken advantage of every single day. by doctors, by HI providers, by govt, by hospital unions...
Russellt0228 10 months ago
Liberals are far too risk-averse with regards to all of these issues. Bad things happen, and these events are neither "fair" nor "right." But this is the nature of life, and to try to correct for these inevitabilities is ultimately a massive waste of resources. The best that we can hope for is equal opportunities—equal outcomes is completely unrealistic.
bigpoppa897 1 year ago
Well Adam, you probably don't know anyone without healthcare because you live in California. And California has mediCAL which covers everyone too destitute to afford care. So you're kinda sorta making an argument for universal coverage without realizing it. Also, while the emergency room isn't a bad option for a traffice accident, it won't cover a kidney transplant, disease treatment, or any type of non life threatening surgery
italoirish888 1 year ago
Adams logic is great untill he gets cancer and his private insurance drops him and no other insurance company will cover him because of his pre exsisting condition. he will then go broke trying to pay out of pocket he will lose his house and die in the streets. Woaw what a great healthcare system we have ; )
sweetpelon 1 year ago
@sweetpelon except theres almost nobody that that happens to...obama trots out these rare cases and makes them seem like they happen constantly to anybody with cancer. its fucking bs, and stop trying to lie your way into an argument.
silverdumper1 1 year ago
Yes, in the wild, human animals have no rights, its survival of the fittest.
hobodevil 1 year ago
Why not also stop paying for other people's libraries, roads and police stations. They're not mine, so who cares? You want protection? Hire police. You want knowledge? Buy your own god damn books. You want roads? Build them. Can't afford healthcare? Your fault. I'll pay for mine (which I can), and you take care of yourself.
If we don't have the right to healthcare, we don't have the right to life. It's not right to deny someone something thats necessary to live.
AnotherMasterMind 1 year ago 2
@AnotherMasterMind if you cant afford HC you can get medicaid or get treated at community hospitals. you can do a pay over time plan. you can use credit cards, there are options before you but you dumbass americans dont even know your own system. jsut face it you have become part of a system that wants to keep you stupid and look for govt to solve every answer
Russellt0228 10 months ago
@Russellt0228 for the masses of people who actually have privatized insurance, medicade is much harder to get than assumed. States treat it differently, but it depends on your income, family size, where you live, and what the illness is. MANY illnesses are simply noy treated or covered. As for the income, in many states you would have to go into debt before you qualify. Privatized medicine is ridiculous and drives medical costs to absurd levels.
AnotherMasterMind 10 months ago
@AnotherMasterMind actually privatized medicine has remained at a fairly low level compared to the insane technology we use and churn out. you are thinking about this as 1 person and not 1000 using all the programs.
the insurance would depend on the amount of sick patients, the problem is since its a fixed price, ppl who have been healthy can't get a good rate. and now ppl can completely skip on on HI and buy it once they get a serious illnes. that in itself is horrendous.
Russellt0228 10 months ago
@Russellt0228 and do yoy REALLY think poor people can just use credit cards untill the bills are paid? All these fantastic "options" don't really exist.
AnotherMasterMind 10 months ago
@AnotherMasterMind absoulutely. you have this assumption that i'm rich or something? my whole life is surrounded among the poor, and every single person i know who has less than 100 dollars in their account has a credit card, oh and ia big screen TV oh and NETFLIX, Cable, and a car.
priorities my friend, priorities. 500 bucks for H.I. or 150 bucks for Black Berry?
Russellt0228 10 months ago
@AnotherMasterMind If you have the right to health care you have the right so someone's labor. Are you saying that if a doctor has a medical license he must give you healthcare? What if all the doctors in the United States decided to strike? Are they to be imprisoned because they are infringing on your right to healthcare? Do you see how tyrannical your statement is?
Orionx30 10 months ago
@Orionx30 What are you talking about? Have you read the hippocratic oath? If doctors don't want to treat patients they can quit. I confused as to what you mean. Do cops have to protect us? How is it tyrannical to expect docors to help the sick. Thats what they do. If a firefighter pulls me out of a burning building, it's because thats the career he chose. I don't see what your saying the problem is.
AnotherMasterMind 10 months ago
@AnotherMasterMind I'm saying, if you have the right to health care then you have a right to someone's labor and then they must work. I don't know how to make it anymore clear than that. I was pretty clear in my last statement. But I am saying that if you have a right to health care, how is that possible if a doctor can just quit? If there are not doctors or people willing to do the job then how can you have a right to this?
Orionx30 10 months ago
I disagree. If a poor person walks into an E.R. with a broken arm, they'll get it fixed, and then be in debt to the hospital for 5 years. If someone needs a surgery to live, but it costs 400,000 dollars, two things can happen. Either the hospital will refuse and the patient will die, or they'll do it and the patient will be in enormous debt for the rest of their life, a slave to their financial masters. How is this right?
AnotherMasterMind 1 year ago 2
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hugesinker 1 year ago
@AnotherMasterMind It's an economic problem. Why are the costs so obscenely high? That's the question everyone forgets to ask. It's because a system that allows competitive bidding to reduce the price has been destroyed by government-enforced monopolies. If you just increase the pool of those paying into a one-size fits-all insurance scheme, you will only encourage costs to increase because you've just created another barrier between the real buyers and sellers, obscuring the true costs.
hugesinker 1 year ago
@AnotherMasterMind YOU LIVED!!!!!!!!! HOW IS IT WRONG? LIBTARD FUCKFACE! Mahalo!
seattlehawkins 1 year ago
@AnotherMasterMind Because goods and services that make up health care requires resources and complex technology, and people with years of costly education. These things like everything else are governed by the laws of economics?
So sure say everything is free, see how many cancer drugs and MRI's come into existence to magically cure you.
EasyEs 1 year ago
@AnotherMasterMind wait so he should be treated on genorisity alone?
so the machines that were created through money, the doctor who took loans to go to med school. youre saying that person whos limbs and life is saved owes them nothing?
Russellt0228 10 months ago
@Russellt0228 We all owe them something. They provide a valuable and *necessary* service for everyone. Like a cop, or a firefighter, or a judge, or a politician. What do you owe a firefighter who saves your life from a burning building? Please answer that question. Is it so much different than a doctor? Wre owe them our respect and our support, not our life savings. And don't act like all the uninsured can just "get medicade". Forgetting for a second how pathetic health coverage is cont.
AnotherMasterMind 10 months ago
@AnotherMasterMind when you go to work today please tell your boss that he owes you some respect and support and not a salary okay.
to answer you maturely we pay our firefighters, cops, pretty hefty salaries with sweet pensions
retirement at 55, and an elite HC plan. so we pay with more than just adoration.
but why is it when it comes to paying for technology and professionals who risked their own wealth that you begin to get so emotional?
Russellt0228 10 months ago
@Russellt0228 I didn't mean to imply that doctors only deserve adoration. I was comparing them to other public employees who are really hero's in a sense. The system works better when necessary jobs aren't privatized, get it? Like a police officer. If that job were controled by a business, You'd get what you get with healthcare today. Great security, if you can afford it. The point is that some aspects of society shouldn't be left to coorperations to control. continued.
AnotherMasterMind 10 months ago
@Russellt0228 Here's whats absolutely true. The govt's involvement in healthcare today is a messed up situation. This half in half out philosophy they have isn't working. There are two basic ways to approach this. We could leave the phamecudical corporations and medical businesses to their own devices and try to have a less regulated market, or we could nationalized these industries and initiate national healthcare. I would prefer democratic regulation for all when it comes to the essential
AnotherMasterMind 10 months ago
@AnotherMasterMind have you ever seen a unionized nurse work? i grew up poor and have seen those wonderful self-righteous hospitals. they work for TAX PAYER MONEY DUDE. they work because their jobs are safe okay. they dont do it because of any moral reasons, thats relying on 1 out of a million ppl. the reality is we need a govt that holds parties accountable but doesnt hold their pay accountable. thats what you are misunderstanding here. Great intentions but belive me it leads to poor results
Russellt0228 10 months ago
@AnotherMasterMind Read Ron Paul's book... he was a physician for decades and his office never turned anyone away until Medicare started picking up the tab. That's when doctors stopped philanthropic care and pointed people to the ER where they won't be denied.
Trimbler00 10 months ago
@AnotherMasterMind The surgery still cost 400,000 dollars to preform. Who pays for it? People do not work for free and surgeons do not educate themselves for free either. Nor is taxpayer money infinite to pay for everyones 400,000 dollar surgery.
Orionx30 10 months ago
@Orionx30 Why do you think a surgery can cost 400,000 dollars? It doesn't cost anywhere near that much to actiually perform the surgery. Behind the expensive pills, shots, and machinery, are coorperations who need to make big profits. Ofcoarse it's not free, but nothing is. Nationalizing these industries would decrease these prices dramatically. Unfortunattly this is not what Obama's healthcare plan does. He wants to nationalize insurance, but not the actual medical industry, *sigh*.
AnotherMasterMind 10 months ago
@AnotherMasterMind You stated the 400,000 not me. Nationalizing would decrease efficiency and innovation. When you take away the profit motive you take away the two things I mentioned above.You focus on what I you think is wrong besides answering my specific questions. You are dodging the questions.
Orionx30 10 months ago
@Orionx30 How efficient do you think the privatized system is? Efficient in relation to what goal? Providing healthcare? Medicare has a fraction of the administrative costs but, the medicine itself still costs a lot because it works through the pharmecudical coorporation's prices. Australia's healthcare system is a decent example of what ours could be. When it comes to public necessities, I think we should have the right to someone elses labor, yes, like cops, firefighters, politicians.
AnotherMasterMind 10 months ago
@AnotherMasterMind Medicare is broke and if you read the news they are trying to cut funding because of how much it eats into the budget. Administrative costs is a moot point and in many cases understated by medicare. Medicine is expensive because they must pay (governmental regulation) to the people they hurt. In other countries they rely on the U.S. to research these drugs. The the costs are lower.
A right to someone's labor is slavery. You have much learning to do.
Orionx30 10 months ago
@Orionx30 I agree that Medicare is broke and is a broken system. It tries to mix privatized healthcare with universal health insurance, which ofcoarse can't last, but is certainly more efficient at providing healthcare than insurance companies (but less efficient at earning profit). Again, I disagree with your phrasing that either we have the right to someones labor or not. The state has an obligation to provide it's citizens with a reasonable level of security. As such no individual owes..
AnotherMasterMind 10 months ago
@Orionx30 me their labor directly, however the state has an obligation to hire a police force to uphold the law. Whether or not you want to call that slavery is up to you, but I would agree with this form of providing public safety. Now clearly providing healthcare is another issue. An "entitlement" as you say. I certainly agree that healthcare is somewhat less necessary than security, but with your definition, would security not also be an entitlment?
AnotherMasterMind 10 months ago
@AnotherMasterMind
I disagree with your opinion on medicare and private vs. socialized healthcare. Universal healthcare can't last. The major factor is that we don't have the tax base anymore to pay for the retiring babyboomers.
Obligations are much different that a right. Anything that takes from taxpayers and gives to another person is an entitlement. From that definition... no, its not an entitlement, it is employment of citizens, but not a handout.
Orionx30 10 months ago
@Orionx30 You might know more about this than me, but I thought the government provides about 100 billion dollars a year to research medical technologies. So if other nations rely on medical discoveries, is that credit given to the pharmecudical coorporations, or who incentivises them to do that work? However you shouldn't discount how much privatized drug companies drive up prices to gain profits. Take a look at how much profit these companies make anually and you'll see how much is wasted.
AnotherMasterMind 10 months ago
@AnotherMasterMind Government spends about .1% of`total GDP on research of pharm. That's 14 billion.
Companies like Merk, Pfizer, Elli Lilly spend about a billion dollars per drug. Pfizer had 14 drugs in 2009 that we consider successes. That puts thing in perspective.
Orionx30 10 months ago
@Orionx30 big pharms only induce illnesses on the most part.
psychedelicbluesdiva 9 months ago
@psychedelicbluesdiva Based on what?
Orionx30 9 months ago
@Orionx30 do your own research, this isn't turnitin.com ffs
psychedelicbluesdiva 7 months ago
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@psychedelicbluesdiva I have done my research. Much more than you, so if you have no argument STFU.
Orionx30 7 months ago
@Orionx30 Those occupations I just mentioned in no way imply that someone who works for the government can't quit. I think my example stands. Do we have the right to security? Yes. Would that mean that a cop can't quit? Ofcoarse not. It's true that if a necessary occupation is lacking in numbers, we must increase the incentives, but the *goal* is not to make profit in this case, but to provide a necessary service for the citizens in a democracy. Is that really so tyranical?
AnotherMasterMind 10 months ago
@AnotherMasterMind Providing a service is different then making it a right. A right can't be taken away and if someone stops working they are taking that right away. Maybe you don't understand what a "right" is. But most are inalienable. meaning it cannot be taken away by the Government. You can never own the right to someone's labor.
You don't have the right to safety. Safety is not something that must be provided by society, although it is a function of government it is not a right.
Orionx30 10 months ago
@Orionx30 Then I will amend my position to adjust for definitions. I contend that we do have a right to life. This right exists in relation to our government (not to the universe or anything transcendant). The way you worded your original question/statement is manipulative. "If you have the right to health care you have the right so someone's labor". Forget about rights for a minute, a democratic state has certain obligations to it's citizens wouldn't you agree?
AnotherMasterMind 10 months ago
@AnotherMasterMind Yes, but I think we will disagree on what a Republic owes its people. It should not provide entitlements to its people. Its should allow liberty to thrive.
Orionx30 10 months ago
@Orionx30 continued... So assuming that your understanding of rights does not require the state providing security, it is still true that states should provide essential services of this nature correct?, even if you do not understand them to be in responce to "rights" there are still state obligations in democratic societies right?.
AnotherMasterMind 10 months ago
@AnotherMasterMind Well I take the logical approach to solving this puzzle. If you are a 'back yard wrestler' who broke your arm jumping off your friends roof, you deserve to be in debt for 5 years. If you chose to eat so much food that your heart is about to explode and need a transplant, you deserve to fucking die. When YOU stop holding people accountable for their shitty choices in life which directly affect their health, YOU are wrong. Personal accountability is all I ask.
mookixox 10 months ago 13
@mookixox I agree but only halfway. People who do stupid crap that fucks them up shouldn't be a burden to the system and that a pick-and-choose system does seem desirable. But...what stops the pick and choose system from providing healthcare only to those with 100K+ a year jobs similar to how health insurance companies work. That's why I support socialized medicine...it takes the greed out of the equation and can be fine-tuned to serve everyone's best interests.
darkinsdme2 5 months ago
@darkinsdme2 i agree. i dont have insurance, i get sick or need some attention to anything, its the ER for me and my wife. we are not rich, laid off, took crappy jobs. no insurance. and i spend around 450 a month on medications. its rough. but its life in the USA, the supposed best place on earth. yet 35th in healthcare.
caveman1968 5 months ago
@AnotherMasterMind in 4 billion years the sun is going to cease to be. Every living organism on the planet is going to die. How is this right?
Reality can be a bitch.
JovialEel 9 months ago 6
@JovialEel I think well before that happens, we might have already colonized entire galaxies. Technology advances so quickly, just imagine where we might be in 1000 years. Maybe i'm being overly optimistic, but who knows.
dksilentbob 3 months ago
@JovialEel Oh, you're a psychic? You can see 4 billion years into the future, huh? Okay, well how about I call you a moron. Bet you didn't see that coming!
s13iLLuminati 3 days ago
LoL Adam is a slam dunk tea party conservative in this rant.
wtfanman60 1 year ago 2
Carolla rules the iWaves.
ucla4eva 1 year ago
Amen, in order to be given anything material can only be given by taking it away from others.
kubaniski 1 year ago
@kubaniski
dead on, there is nothing called value creation, thats why rocks with ores in em, have the same value as refined metals. congrats, youre a retard :)
RipTheJackR 1 year ago
@RipTheJackR ?
kubaniski 1 year ago
not every fucking job includes healthcare benefits, one. and even those who think they have coverage are very often denied by insurance companies when they have pre-existing conditions (a shitty practice by these health insurance companies).
and furthermore, single payer healthcare systems, where everyone is covered, cost less. and if you think healthcare in those countries is shitty, do some research on France.
is it really that important to help the bottom line for insurance companies?
jayoatru 1 year ago
I think Adam missed the part that every able bodied person should be able to have a job, USA has exported over 90 percent of its manufacturing industry to mexico and overseas nations!!! Hell you can't even call an IBM customer support rep without talking to some dude out in Crapghanistan India...
mookixox 1 year ago
That bit about "are we going to invite everyone from countries with shitty healthcare in" is bogus, as the USA currently has one of the worst healthcare systems in the developed world. Nobody in their right mind is going to go there for healthcare who isn't going there already (Mexico).
Useless2112 1 year ago
Some of the conditions certain people were born with that prohibit them from working hard and earning a living are stupidity, laziness, lack of ambition and apathy. We as a society have to take care of them too, because no one be forced to work if they don't want to.
kjparlay 1 year ago
I like Adam Carolla but this is a grand over simplification. When you go to the emergency room someone pays for it, and its probably Adam Carolla and his buddy here. As to poor people not just shitting out kids...he's got a HUGE FUCKING POINT!!! But his overall gripe about nobody not having healthcare is just wrong. I know I can't afford 3 or 4 thousand dollars a year out of my pay. I'm a student.
Tuco83184 1 year ago
@Tuco83184 He wasn't talking about health INSURANCE, he was talking about CARE, which if you listened to him, isn't denied to ANYONE.
Hashishin13 1 year ago
these guys are idiotic. Its not as if people are asking for free healthcare. We are asking for reform so that private companies with no oversight get to make decisions over whether or not someone can pay for overpriced meds, or healthcare. I though adam carolla was a sub-par comic, now i know he's and ignorant dunce as well.
Chucksporterhouse2 1 year ago
@Chucksporterhouse2 Bullshit you were'nt asking for free Health care thats what the Dems you put in power ALL voted for and got! Maybe YOU didnt want free Health care but the overwhelming Liberals certainly did and YOU didnt speak up enough to just get Tort reform (which is what should have happened.
tombor6 1 year ago
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creamtube 1 year ago
"Fuck You"
you tell em Adam!!!
Kevin01SH 1 year ago
Health care in U.S.: If your rich, no problem, If your poor, no problem. If your middle class, you have a problem. You shouldn't loose your house because you can't pay your medical bills.
cedarview2 1 year ago
What an idiot.
chesterdouglas 1 year ago
Dear Adam,
The person who wipes the toilet seat in your favorite restaurant so your white furry ass won't get dirty should get health care. Not everyone can be a president; not everyone can be a CEO. Shouldn't the bottom workers, the so-called lazy people be entitled to health care?
of course.
septip123 1 year ago
Adam Carolla if fucken ignorant.
Ivan951 1 year ago
Adam Carolla if fucken ignorant.
Ivan951 1 year ago
A right to your life? Safety? Me not to rob you?
Ivan951 1 year ago
I have 3 words for you... ADAM FOR PRESIDENT!!!!
Scorpio52518 1 year ago
Agreed! No Rights, GO OUT AND GET IT!
Adam Carolla speaks the truth!
Justin8806 1 year ago
He's totally right! Poor people need to be taught a lesson, and the best way to do that is by forcing them to rely on emergency care.
If they want preventative health care, they should stop being so fucking poor!
fakebrainclub 2 years ago
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what a dumbass
imnevermakingavideo 1 year ago
@fakebrainclub That is the single dumbest thing I have ever heard. Have you ever heard the saying, " There is no such thing as an economy of managers"? It means that there has to and always will be poor people. The necessity to aid those less fortunate extends beyond the physically and/or mentally handicaped. I have met many widowed or single mothers juggling a two jobs, three kids, and all the expenses associated with having those kids, Corolla is talking out of his ass
strongbad4usean 1 year ago
@strongbad4usean Well, I was being sarcastic, but thanks, I guess.
fakebrainclub 1 year ago
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steele967 1 year ago
@strongbad4usean No, hes not, nobody forced her to have three kids while working underpaid jobs, she brought it upon herself, its called self control.
Hashishin13 1 year ago
@Hashishin13 And what about the three children? Tough luck, kiddos?
SocialDissimulation 1 year ago
@SocialDissimulation Why do people assume that because nobody is going to steal for the poor (taxing people for welfare) that nobody will give to them? Charity is perfectly acceptable, using a government agent to steal from someone isn't.
Hashishin13 1 year ago
adam sounds like lifes hatin it!!!
dirkdigglerize 2 years ago
Carolla 2012
theToryAnarchist 2 years ago