i think you have to realise that there is no such thing as a 'defensive weapon' by relaxing laws to carry weapons your not solving the problem, your just making it easier for criminals to get away with carrying said weapons to use against innocent members of the public. the situation and the outcome will remain the same, all that happens is there is a higher risk of fatality or serious damage
I agree with fokket on most of these aspects, but flash I cant understand what you seem to want to criminalise the police, forgive the pun. I have no problem with fokket carrying as long as he doesnt decide to start pre-emptively brassing up who he assumes is the local mob boss with his .50 cal mini-gun. :-)
The police are the ones disarming people and, worst of all, telling people it's best not to fight back. They also say 'call the police' like they have some sort of super power when it comes to crime that no one else has. I'm just pointing out to people that the police are a poor bet as a line of self-defence.
If the police do exactly what they are told why should I respect that? What if they are told to CS gas people at random. Stop treating police like children who have no free will.
Though the police swear an allegiance to the crown to uphold the law, they probably wouldn't follow orders in that case, they are able to think for themselves, they can use discretion when dealing with offences for instance.
A police officer is capable of being asked by a senior officer or supervisor to DRAW an item of safety equipment; however the use and conduct can only be justified by an individual officer. In essence, a supervisor can tell you to draw your baton but they cannot tell you to use it as you are the one who has to justify the use. If you ensure you employ the right officers with a degree of conscience, then there is little to worry about.
and before you say police carry weapons ....they are highly trained on how to use them, use minimum force and provide aftercare which the general public CLEARLY are not.
Sorry, I deleted one of your comments thinking you'd double posted it by accident. Well first it seems your first priority is how much control the police have. 'How do we know if that weapons is meant for harm?'. Let me ask you this question can you guarantee the safety of everyone in your force area 24/7? 'statistics show that poeple who carry weapons for protection are more likely to have it used on them' which study was this? What is the source?
If police are so 'highly trained' how come armed police shoot eachother more than anyone else. 'theres no justification for members of the public to carry a weapon' what about a woman who is being stalked? What about people in areas with high street robbery? Sorry to ask so many questions but you made alot of assertions, now you need to back them up. Finally, my views are based on the fact that you can't disarm criminals with law if the law did stop 'gun/knife' crime I may agree with you.
i had double posted no worries, i can't personally guarantee the safety of everyone 24/7 because we simply cant be everywhere at every time, the statistics are from a piece of material i was shown in training recently, i don't know the source. iv never heard of armed police shooting each other, however we are only human, not robots, mistakes are made but we try our best with good intentions.we cant tell if its meant for harm or defense which is why everyone is treated the same if in possession.
So you can't guarantee everyone's safety but you insist on everone (in public) being disarmed. Do you see why I might have a problem with that? Also, the simple fact is you guys are not stopping or reducing armed robbery, street robbery or putting crims off carrying weapons. What would you prefer, you try to disarm everyone and end up disarming victims or except the fact that people will be except by crims when police are not around and let them protect themselves? As for that thing about (con)
the statistics, I don't trust them, particuly when they come from anit-weapon groups, and I would consider The Met and The Home Office to be anti-weapons. Take this example. In 1997 36,000 people died in the US in firearms-related incidents, however 51% were suicides. So you could frame that and say your more likely to be killed by your own gun but that phraseing is misleading. Also, the term firearms-related incident is very vague.
i do see your point, but can you not see by making it ok for poeple to carry weapons for defense we are then making it ok for poeple who want to commit offences to also carry them, how can we distinguish between a defensive and an offensive weapon. and i agree we cant STOP robbery e.t.c. altogether but to say we dont reduce it i think is a bit strong... dont you think if we werent here doing our job alot more poeple would rob others.
You're right, to say you reduce street crime is a bit strong. I can see where you're coming from but you're coming at this from the wrong angle. You're thinking 'what happens if we stop someone with a knife, we will have to let them go to do god knows what'. This is the wrong way to look at it. We need to assess ability, what is the ability of the police? Well the police can stop some robbery but not the majority. What is the ability of the victim (in public)? Well, victims are (con)
most often dominated by their attackers with force or menaces. What is the ability of the attacker? Well, the attacker knows how to choose weak victims, women, people on their own etc. And knows they will not be armed, after all why would a middleclass mother have a weapon when a she is told is 'weapons are bad only bad people use weapons'. All that would have to happen is people start carrying pepper spray/stun guns and personal attacks would drop much more than police ops could ever hope for.
If the victim has a stun-gun or pepper spray the ability of the the attacker to dominate is reduced and confrontational crimes become less attractive.
yeh i do see your point, :s i wish i hadnt said anything now cos its too complicated to think about at 23.30 at night,lol, theres always going to be complications to letting poeple carry weapons for defense, but i do see the point your making.
Ha, well it's not as simple as people like to make this subject. The raeson why I've comment to you so much is because it's people like you (Police officers/PCSO) who can start to change. It's really not complicated all you've got to do is ask yourself the question 'what is the ability of the victim?'. The greater the victim's ability the less the criminals. If you start to ask this question to yourself you will find, when your at work, that alot of victims have no ability and this is the main..
hey guys give the police a break, i work for the met as a pcso and i can honestly say i arrest drug dealers and potential murderers for the fact they have a knife every single day, its the government thats rules we enforce and its them who make the decisions, if your gonna hate anyone aim it at them.
'give the police a break', why? You say you "'arrest' drug dealers and potential murderers" but you would also 'arrest' a young woman with a weapon to defend herself from rape. You guys use the term 'offensive' weapon are you saying there is no such thing as a defensive weapon? You guys need to start using logic and stop being so naive and controlling. We will only start respecting you when you respect our rights and say 'NO!' to government.
could we distinguish between wether that woman is carrying it for protection or to harm someone? the awnser is no because we cannot read minds, and to add to that... statistics show that poeple who carry weapons for protection are more likely to have it used on them, theres no justification for members of the public to carry a weapon.
Im sure we have unsolved crimes u can come and help us clear up Flash being a fountain of knowledge tht u r!
after reading ur "comments" its clear 2 evry1 tht u no shit bout it
u and alanbuttle would be great together, he is another cock that likes 2 provoke police i wouldnt mind if u had a valid point then you would be slightly interesting to listen to, but you ramble on about nothing @ al
if we had no police we would have the army policing us which im sure u would have a whinge bout that 2
Police idolisers get no voice here, sorry. It would have been different had you been polite. I get so fed up with you guys, you have no debateing skills.
The police in this country are civilian, and much more restrained than there continental or Amerixan counterparts.
In France, Italy and many other European Countries you have Gendarmeries.
The Gendarmerie are armed military police (who live in barracks) and who patrol the streets - examples include the French Gendarmerie, Italian Carabinieri, Spanish Guardia Civil, Portugese GNP etc etc.
the met police do a great job, those that moan about them are usually those who break the law, i do blame some of there leadership for some stupid paperwork, some of which is not nessasary, some of which is, and i dont see why the police should be polite to theses scum bags, bit of give and take is fare, i understand being rude doenst help there view of the police, but why should the scum get away with it, the idiots,
Yeah. but you're critiseing them without a good cause. They ARE the answer to crime, can you imagine what this country would be like without any law-enforcement? They come across as kind, level-headed and non-judgmental people.
"without a good cause"? I think the vid speaks for itself. Oh and i suggest you look into the murder of azelle rodney. Lets face it no matter what i say or upload you have your fantasy and youre going to stick with it. Just stop having a go cos this wont go anywhere.
One incident that youd never even fucking heard of you dumb prick. They shot azelle rodney down without cause. BUT YOU DONT GIVE A FUCK WHEN ITS THE POLICE DOING THE KILLING DO YOU?! AS LONG AS YOU HAVE YOUR HERO COPPER FANTASY! YOU MAKE ME SICK YOU FUCKING PUSSY! YOU DONT CARE ABOUT A MANS LIFE JUST COS HE WAS KILLED BY THE POLICE! All i want is justice and for people like you to grow up and stop thinking 'the bill' is real life. Why dont you go and watch some more pop culture crap, you child.
I think it says alot about you that you laugh about my anger over a mans death. You dont even know what happened to him. My point is the police can and have mudered people and nothing happens to them. The reason why is cos pussys like you are so shit scared of hoodies that you let the police do anything just as long as they keep you "safe". You make me sick grow up and look after yourself. Try saying what you said to his mother or the daughter he never met, you ignorant little cunt. FUCK OOF!
Sorry i just get worked up when people dont seem to worry that the police can shoot an umarmed man with an assault rifle. I feel the police get enough positive context as i show in my 'Police Idolisation' vid (if youre referring to that). Plus if you want positive context go and search for a raven371 vid, hes very positive. But i bet you dont say to him what you say to me.
And the reason why that wasnt in the media... They did the same thing to Jean a few months back, that was wrong of the officer who fired the shots'E7'. But the fact that three firearms where found in the car, just shows he hung around with the wrong kind of people
Yeah but the police cant shoot you if you dont pose an immediate threat to life, and they have to fire as a last resort, the shooting was totally illegal, against procedure and Home Office guidelines. Also since when do the police get to kill just cos your friends are criminals? And the police dont get to be judge, jury and executioner. Azelle was shot in april 05 and jean was shot in july 05.
Yes, tottaly right, but if you roll with the wrong crowd, ur almost certainly going to attract attention to yourself. Surely he knew the car was packed with guns. But yes, the shooting was unlawfull and illegal.
I think "packed with guns" is a bit strong. You may expect to get stopped but not for police to shunt the car your in, pull-up and blat you with an assault rifle with no (or very little) warning. Im sorry but any fault of rodney's is far outweighed by the actions of the police. Also, in some places its hard not have criminal friends.
Not strong at all, it was full of guns. If your carrying a gun and the poice belive it, expect to be 'shunted :D Rodney was hangin with gun wielders, he would have paid, sooner or later, police, or drug dealers. It is actually very easy to stay away from a bad apple, and its not hard, that comment suspects me to belive you are a criminal yourself.
No im not, but i have mates who do/did crime or their familys do crime. I live in an inner-city, trust me, its hard to avoid. Still doesnt change the fact that they murdered him.
hmmm, i suppose its just the type of person, in business, no one gets there honestly we all know that, but guns, thats just a diffrent thing, anyway, ill be looking out for your name on the news.
How can the police even begin arresting criminals if according to you they shouldn't be armed or slightly break the criminal's rights ( which now seem more important than a law abiding citizen's rights)
Honestly i doubt that the police shot Jean for fun or any other innocent civilian for the matter.
No, I think people should have weapons for lawful defence (not for unlawful actions) and that it's hypocritical for police to arrest people for owning weapons. People should have rights such as habeas corpus, the right to remain silent and fair treatment etc. I suggest you stop talking about the stockwell shooting you obviously don't know shit about it or the officers who did.
neither do you , you just read about it in the newspaper or David Icke's newsletter. Armed police deal with thousands of firearms incidents every year yet there are so few shootings.
I believe that if we lived in a society where everyone could leave their front door unlocked then it would be a fair enough idea to allow people to arm themselves with weapons, but unfortunly we don't and thats why they are illegal.
well If the police take killers and muggers off the streets. I dont care if their rude, I'd take someone being rude to me than being stabbed any day. A lot of people are rude to the police
Yeah but only the high leval CID guys catch murders. I suggest you go to google and type in 'rape conviction rates' for uk pages. See how many rapists they actually catch. Your right, the police have never been perfect. But these days they kill civis and take the piss generally, but now they dont catch crims.
the police can't be everywhere at once. my mate who's very right-wing and opinionated said 'well at least they could be somewhere.' i'm in touch with the reality that the police can't be everywhere at once and the commuity have to help. BUT, the police need to cut down the beuracracy and sack sir ian blair
THIS ADVERT IS DOGSHIT!! Crime figures wrong, London is far unsafer than it ever was. Its not the front line officer's fault though, blame the donkeys who lead them. Most officers are humble and believe it or not want to help people out. when they are rude it is inexcusable but probably a result of the siege mentality that can creep in as a result of being up against it so much.
sorry but that video discription is simply childish and uneducated about the hard facts of policing in london and the state of the country as a whole.
How is it 'childish'? The met are a very contradictory force, half the time they are nice.And half the time they are rude and nasty. I suspect that you are one of those people who back the police whatever they do (probably cos youve never had to deal with them). Hence you are the 'childish' one who doesnt like people having opinions different your own.
And to add to that, i dont think its the place of the police to take out adds implying they are all good guys and that its a good thing that they are everywhere. Wait untill you get stoped by some goon thats rude to you, i dont think you will be so pro police state then.
Crime has gone down in London, facts are there. This is not propaganda, its showing the London public that the police are out there day in day out, 24/7 walking and driving our streets. Would you do it?
Yes i would but the police are public servants not super humans. I dont like the fact that people like you are dependant on the police to defend you. If you ever need to call the police you will see that they take time getting to you and that they can be rude and unhelpful. The police these days are way above their staion they need to become humble again and respect peoples liberty.
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poetswolf1985 1 year ago
Safer streets? I guess so unless you're Brazilian………..
pharcyde110573 1 year ago
This isn't advocating a Police State at all.
userblue 2 years ago
i think you have to realise that there is no such thing as a 'defensive weapon' by relaxing laws to carry weapons your not solving the problem, your just making it easier for criminals to get away with carrying said weapons to use against innocent members of the public. the situation and the outcome will remain the same, all that happens is there is a higher risk of fatality or serious damage
lolz9464 2 years ago
I agree with fokket on most of these aspects, but flash I cant understand what you seem to want to criminalise the police, forgive the pun. I have no problem with fokket carrying as long as he doesnt decide to start pre-emptively brassing up who he assumes is the local mob boss with his .50 cal mini-gun. :-)
oyunuttanow 3 years ago
The police are the ones disarming people and, worst of all, telling people it's best not to fight back. They also say 'call the police' like they have some sort of super power when it comes to crime that no one else has. I'm just pointing out to people that the police are a poor bet as a line of self-defence.
flashmp 3 years ago
But I would argue your difficulties lie with the government, is that not so?
oyunuttanow 3 years ago
The Police work for the government so I have problems with them both.
flashmp 3 years ago
But therefore are they not only just doing their job? as asked by the majority of the country as we live in a "democracy"
oyunuttanow 3 years ago
If the police do exactly what they are told why should I respect that? What if they are told to CS gas people at random. Stop treating police like children who have no free will.
flashmp 3 years ago
Though the police swear an allegiance to the crown to uphold the law, they probably wouldn't follow orders in that case, they are able to think for themselves, they can use discretion when dealing with offences for instance.
oyunuttanow 3 years ago
A police officer is capable of being asked by a senior officer or supervisor to DRAW an item of safety equipment; however the use and conduct can only be justified by an individual officer. In essence, a supervisor can tell you to draw your baton but they cannot tell you to use it as you are the one who has to justify the use. If you ensure you employ the right officers with a degree of conscience, then there is little to worry about.
quinnio82 2 years ago
its not the police who come up with the laws stating ur not allowed to defend yourself with a weapon, police just enforce the laws.
I would rather have a 'poor bet' around if im getting mugged or some islamabad muslim trying to blow me up, then have nothing at all.
grysjay 2 years ago
@grysjay "some islamabad muslim trying to blow me up"
Yeah, a police officer may jump ontop of it to save your life.
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fokket 3 years ago
and before you say police carry weapons ....they are highly trained on how to use them, use minimum force and provide aftercare which the general public CLEARLY are not.
rossellmac 3 years ago
Sorry, I deleted one of your comments thinking you'd double posted it by accident. Well first it seems your first priority is how much control the police have. 'How do we know if that weapons is meant for harm?'. Let me ask you this question can you guarantee the safety of everyone in your force area 24/7? 'statistics show that poeple who carry weapons for protection are more likely to have it used on them' which study was this? What is the source?
flashmp 3 years ago
If police are so 'highly trained' how come armed police shoot eachother more than anyone else. 'theres no justification for members of the public to carry a weapon' what about a woman who is being stalked? What about people in areas with high street robbery? Sorry to ask so many questions but you made alot of assertions, now you need to back them up. Finally, my views are based on the fact that you can't disarm criminals with law if the law did stop 'gun/knife' crime I may agree with you.
flashmp 3 years ago
i had double posted no worries, i can't personally guarantee the safety of everyone 24/7 because we simply cant be everywhere at every time, the statistics are from a piece of material i was shown in training recently, i don't know the source. iv never heard of armed police shooting each other, however we are only human, not robots, mistakes are made but we try our best with good intentions.we cant tell if its meant for harm or defense which is why everyone is treated the same if in possession.
rossellmac 3 years ago
So you can't guarantee everyone's safety but you insist on everone (in public) being disarmed. Do you see why I might have a problem with that? Also, the simple fact is you guys are not stopping or reducing armed robbery, street robbery or putting crims off carrying weapons. What would you prefer, you try to disarm everyone and end up disarming victims or except the fact that people will be except by crims when police are not around and let them protect themselves? As for that thing about (con)
flashmp 3 years ago
the statistics, I don't trust them, particuly when they come from anit-weapon groups, and I would consider The Met and The Home Office to be anti-weapons. Take this example. In 1997 36,000 people died in the US in firearms-related incidents, however 51% were suicides. So you could frame that and say your more likely to be killed by your own gun but that phraseing is misleading. Also, the term firearms-related incident is very vague.
flashmp 3 years ago
i do see your point, but can you not see by making it ok for poeple to carry weapons for defense we are then making it ok for poeple who want to commit offences to also carry them, how can we distinguish between a defensive and an offensive weapon. and i agree we cant STOP robbery e.t.c. altogether but to say we dont reduce it i think is a bit strong... dont you think if we werent here doing our job alot more poeple would rob others.
rossellmac 3 years ago
You're right, to say you reduce street crime is a bit strong. I can see where you're coming from but you're coming at this from the wrong angle. You're thinking 'what happens if we stop someone with a knife, we will have to let them go to do god knows what'. This is the wrong way to look at it. We need to assess ability, what is the ability of the police? Well the police can stop some robbery but not the majority. What is the ability of the victim (in public)? Well, victims are (con)
flashmp 3 years ago
most often dominated by their attackers with force or menaces. What is the ability of the attacker? Well, the attacker knows how to choose weak victims, women, people on their own etc. And knows they will not be armed, after all why would a middleclass mother have a weapon when a she is told is 'weapons are bad only bad people use weapons'. All that would have to happen is people start carrying pepper spray/stun guns and personal attacks would drop much more than police ops could ever hope for.
flashmp 3 years ago
If the victim has a stun-gun or pepper spray the ability of the the attacker to dominate is reduced and confrontational crimes become less attractive.
flashmp 3 years ago
yeh i do see your point, :s i wish i hadnt said anything now cos its too complicated to think about at 23.30 at night,lol, theres always going to be complications to letting poeple carry weapons for defense, but i do see the point your making.
rossellmac 3 years ago
Ha, well it's not as simple as people like to make this subject. The raeson why I've comment to you so much is because it's people like you (Police officers/PCSO) who can start to change. It's really not complicated all you've got to do is ask yourself the question 'what is the ability of the victim?'. The greater the victim's ability the less the criminals. If you start to ask this question to yourself you will find, when your at work, that alot of victims have no ability and this is the main..
flashmp 3 years ago
problem. Untill victims can help themselves the crims wont want to stop stealing from and hurting them.
flashmp 3 years ago
hey guys give the police a break, i work for the met as a pcso and i can honestly say i arrest drug dealers and potential murderers for the fact they have a knife every single day, its the government thats rules we enforce and its them who make the decisions, if your gonna hate anyone aim it at them.
rossellmac 3 years ago
'give the police a break', why? You say you "'arrest' drug dealers and potential murderers" but you would also 'arrest' a young woman with a weapon to defend herself from rape. You guys use the term 'offensive' weapon are you saying there is no such thing as a defensive weapon? You guys need to start using logic and stop being so naive and controlling. We will only start respecting you when you respect our rights and say 'NO!' to government.
flashmp 3 years ago
could we distinguish between wether that woman is carrying it for protection or to harm someone? the awnser is no because we cannot read minds, and to add to that... statistics show that poeple who carry weapons for protection are more likely to have it used on them, theres no justification for members of the public to carry a weapon.
rossellmac 3 years ago
Im sure we have unsolved crimes u can come and help us clear up Flash being a fountain of knowledge tht u r!
after reading ur "comments" its clear 2 evry1 tht u no shit bout it
u and alanbuttle would be great together, he is another cock that likes 2 provoke police i wouldnt mind if u had a valid point then you would be slightly interesting to listen to, but you ramble on about nothing @ al
if we had no police we would have the army policing us which im sure u would have a whinge bout that 2
keithyboy83 3 years ago
Police idolisers get no voice here, sorry. It would have been different had you been polite. I get so fed up with you guys, you have no debateing skills.
flashmp 3 years ago
I love it when that female cop catches the football. "That's physical assault on a police officer, you little shit! Suck on my CS gas motherfuckers!"
Hostile 3 years ago
The police in this country are civilian, and much more restrained than there continental or Amerixan counterparts.
In France, Italy and many other European Countries you have Gendarmeries.
The Gendarmerie are armed military police (who live in barracks) and who patrol the streets - examples include the French Gendarmerie, Italian Carabinieri, Spanish Guardia Civil, Portugese GNP etc etc.
Jaeger1000 4 years ago
the met police do a great job, those that moan about them are usually those who break the law, i do blame some of there leadership for some stupid paperwork, some of which is not nessasary, some of which is, and i dont see why the police should be polite to theses scum bags, bit of give and take is fare, i understand being rude doenst help there view of the police, but why should the scum get away with it, the idiots,
internetprotected123 4 years ago
Criticiseing police doesnt mean you are a criminal.
flashmp 4 years ago
Yeah. but you're critiseing them without a good cause. They ARE the answer to crime, can you imagine what this country would be like without any law-enforcement? They come across as kind, level-headed and non-judgmental people.
t3h0ne91 4 years ago
"without a good cause"? I think the vid speaks for itself. Oh and i suggest you look into the murder of azelle rodney. Lets face it no matter what i say or upload you have your fantasy and youre going to stick with it. Just stop having a go cos this wont go anywhere.
flashmp 4 years ago
Wow, ONE incident when there are like hundreds of thousands of police officers. And t3h0ne91 is right. they are kind people. So fuck off, mate.
Chris6681 4 years ago
One incident that youd never even fucking heard of you dumb prick. They shot azelle rodney down without cause. BUT YOU DONT GIVE A FUCK WHEN ITS THE POLICE DOING THE KILLING DO YOU?! AS LONG AS YOU HAVE YOUR HERO COPPER FANTASY! YOU MAKE ME SICK YOU FUCKING PUSSY! YOU DONT CARE ABOUT A MANS LIFE JUST COS HE WAS KILLED BY THE POLICE! All i want is justice and for people like you to grow up and stop thinking 'the bill' is real life. Why dont you go and watch some more pop culture crap, you child.
flashmp 4 years ago
This made me really laugh. It looks like you over-use Azelle Rodney's case to generalize the whole Police Force.
How about you do some research into more realistic things, like Anti-Social behavior in teenagers.
Chris6681 4 years ago
I think it says alot about you that you laugh about my anger over a mans death. You dont even know what happened to him. My point is the police can and have mudered people and nothing happens to them. The reason why is cos pussys like you are so shit scared of hoodies that you let the police do anything just as long as they keep you "safe". You make me sick grow up and look after yourself. Try saying what you said to his mother or the daughter he never met, you ignorant little cunt. FUCK OOF!
flashmp 4 years ago
Mate, calm down, seriously. I'm just trying to have a constructive debate here.
As I've said, maybe i would be a good idea to do some research in Anti-Social behaviour and the real criminals.
If you don't want to be biased, maybe you should also make some videos regarding The Police in a positive context.
Chris6681 4 years ago
Sorry i just get worked up when people dont seem to worry that the police can shoot an umarmed man with an assault rifle. I feel the police get enough positive context as i show in my 'Police Idolisation' vid (if youre referring to that). Plus if you want positive context go and search for a raven371 vid, hes very positive. But i bet you dont say to him what you say to me.
flashmp 4 years ago
And the reason why that wasnt in the media... They did the same thing to Jean a few months back, that was wrong of the officer who fired the shots'E7'. But the fact that three firearms where found in the car, just shows he hung around with the wrong kind of people
infrared567 3 years ago
Yeah but the police cant shoot you if you dont pose an immediate threat to life, and they have to fire as a last resort, the shooting was totally illegal, against procedure and Home Office guidelines. Also since when do the police get to kill just cos your friends are criminals? And the police dont get to be judge, jury and executioner. Azelle was shot in april 05 and jean was shot in july 05.
flashmp 3 years ago
Yes, tottaly right, but if you roll with the wrong crowd, ur almost certainly going to attract attention to yourself. Surely he knew the car was packed with guns. But yes, the shooting was unlawfull and illegal.
infrared567 3 years ago
I think "packed with guns" is a bit strong. You may expect to get stopped but not for police to shunt the car your in, pull-up and blat you with an assault rifle with no (or very little) warning. Im sorry but any fault of rodney's is far outweighed by the actions of the police. Also, in some places its hard not have criminal friends.
flashmp 3 years ago
Not strong at all, it was full of guns. If your carrying a gun and the poice belive it, expect to be 'shunted :D Rodney was hangin with gun wielders, he would have paid, sooner or later, police, or drug dealers. It is actually very easy to stay away from a bad apple, and its not hard, that comment suspects me to belive you are a criminal yourself.
infrared567 3 years ago
No im not, but i have mates who do/did crime or their familys do crime. I live in an inner-city, trust me, its hard to avoid. Still doesnt change the fact that they murdered him.
flashmp 3 years ago
hmmm, i suppose its just the type of person, in business, no one gets there honestly we all know that, but guns, thats just a diffrent thing, anyway, ill be looking out for your name on the news.
infrared567 3 years ago
Nar mate, ill dodge bullets like the matrix ;-)
flashmp 3 years ago
How can the police even begin arresting criminals if according to you they shouldn't be armed or slightly break the criminal's rights ( which now seem more important than a law abiding citizen's rights)
Honestly i doubt that the police shot Jean for fun or any other innocent civilian for the matter.
glaxev 3 years ago
No, I think people should have weapons for lawful defence (not for unlawful actions) and that it's hypocritical for police to arrest people for owning weapons. People should have rights such as habeas corpus, the right to remain silent and fair treatment etc. I suggest you stop talking about the stockwell shooting you obviously don't know shit about it or the officers who did.
flashmp 3 years ago
neither do you , you just read about it in the newspaper or David Icke's newsletter. Armed police deal with thousands of firearms incidents every year yet there are so few shootings.
I believe that if we lived in a society where everyone could leave their front door unlocked then it would be a fair enough idea to allow people to arm themselves with weapons, but unfortunly we don't and thats why they are illegal.
glaxev 3 years ago
Sorry glaxev you've fucked me off no-end, you don't know what yhe fuck you're talking about and you have the politics of a child, BLOCKED!
flashmp 3 years ago
well If the police take killers and muggers off the streets. I dont care if their rude, I'd take someone being rude to me than being stabbed any day. A lot of people are rude to the police
zoidberg100 4 years ago
Yeah but only the high leval CID guys catch murders. I suggest you go to google and type in 'rape conviction rates' for uk pages. See how many rapists they actually catch. Your right, the police have never been perfect. But these days they kill civis and take the piss generally, but now they dont catch crims.
flashmp 4 years ago
the police can't be everywhere at once. my mate who's very right-wing and opinionated said 'well at least they could be somewhere.' i'm in touch with the reality that the police can't be everywhere at once and the commuity have to help. BUT, the police need to cut down the beuracracy and sack sir ian blair
thecultofjonnybighed 4 years ago
THIS ADVERT IS DOGSHIT!! Crime figures wrong, London is far unsafer than it ever was. Its not the front line officer's fault though, blame the donkeys who lead them. Most officers are humble and believe it or not want to help people out. when they are rude it is inexcusable but probably a result of the siege mentality that can creep in as a result of being up against it so much.
bubble2190 4 years ago
You could be right about the siege mentality.
flashmp 4 years ago
you an idiot mate, leave the country if you dont like it,
internetprotected123 4 years ago
Why am i an idiot? Cos i disagree with the current policing situation in this country?
flashmp 4 years ago
sorry but that video discription is simply childish and uneducated about the hard facts of policing in london and the state of the country as a whole.
To sum it up....grow up!
Xanclarkers 4 years ago
How is it 'childish'? The met are a very contradictory force, half the time they are nice.And half the time they are rude and nasty. I suspect that you are one of those people who back the police whatever they do (probably cos youve never had to deal with them). Hence you are the 'childish' one who doesnt like people having opinions different your own.
flashmp 4 years ago
And to add to that, i dont think its the place of the police to take out adds implying they are all good guys and that its a good thing that they are everywhere. Wait untill you get stoped by some goon thats rude to you, i dont think you will be so pro police state then.
flashmp 4 years ago
Crime has gone down in London, facts are there. This is not propaganda, its showing the London public that the police are out there day in day out, 24/7 walking and driving our streets. Would you do it?
tallmelondon 4 years ago
Yes i would but the police are public servants not super humans. I dont like the fact that people like you are dependant on the police to defend you. If you ever need to call the police you will see that they take time getting to you and that they can be rude and unhelpful. The police these days are way above their staion they need to become humble again and respect peoples liberty.
flashmp 4 years ago
This isn't true. While crime is down overall it's gone up in major cities, including London.
thAchauffeur 4 years ago