The Quiet Reformation: Christians Leaving the Institutional Church

[hdalerude]

Thank you so much for your effort!

[SoftWhisperss]

My sentiments exactly...thank you so so so much for this video...thank you! God bless!

[mooshmillz]

Hi, I would like to know your response to the comment made by @AgentofReason (Currently on comment page 2). I may have overlooked it, but I didn't see it. Thx

[LAHILL74]

Interesting video Sis Simone56. I actually left my former church about 2 years because of unsound docterine being tought. I actually left Christianity as a whole and began attending a Messianic congregation. I have grown so much sence God placed me there. I would not dare to call Christianity a false or pagan religion after all that is where I found or rather was found by Christ but there were many things I could not except. I now keep sabbath and the feast and it's a blessing may Yah bless u.

[2tim149]

Check out "power" by Robert Greene. Not the one with 50cents but the original. You actually can even find truths in the Miseducation of the Negro. These manipulation tactics go back centuries. I have said it before, I believe there is a secret teaching of pastors on how to manipulate the flock. What many, not all are doing is nothing new and spans across religions and other forms of controlling the masses.

[TrumpetingTheLetters]

[God The Father] Thus says The Lord your God: You shall surely come to naught. Churches of men - REPENT! Tear down all you have built up by yourselves, of yourselves, and for yourselves. Tear down your four walls and begin again in Me, says The Lord. Obey My Word as it is written... Cast away all you have written. Trumpet Call Of God Online dot com

[cheryljohnsonlou]

"Time" is wasted on Religion ( of which is man-made). Read, study, do your own research. Stop looking for others to tell you. 2 Timothy 2:15 Study to show THYSELF approved unto God....Time should be focused on having a Relationship with The Most High God. If we would just eliminate all of this "My way, is the right way crap; We probably will be able to reach the Lost. Most don't want to be found, because of the "CHURCH". Just look and listen to what's going on in the "CHURCH" today. *o* SMH

[wella43]

:)

[themeremere1]

This is the stuff I been through Sis but thank God and thank CFR

[dnash81]

There is a really good book called "So you don't want to go to Church anymore" by Wayne Jacobsen...the book lays out the importance of building a close relationship with Christ other than following the man made rules of a building that people call church these days.

[simone56]

@dnash81 I'll have to check that out. Thanks!

[dnash81]

I agree with you Simone and I'm glad you are sounding off about this issue in the church. I can't stand the production and the unnecessary activities that takes place in the church building that has nothing to do with the Church. My husband and I are annoyed with it and so we visit church here and there and we still read our Word and have home fellowship with other believers.

[azwinga]

Hi

Sister Simone,

I got a few questions to ask you,

How can I contact you?

[simone56]

@azwinga Please contact me via youtue in my inbox.

[Pastorbillanddesi]

I agree that there is apostasy in many churches.I also agree that there is false doctrine outside of the institutional churches. I agree that there will be times when people who love Jesus will find themselves outside of a institutional church, without adequate fellowship with other believers.I am a Pastors wife, who has witnessed much falling away from the faith and leaving institutions,only to get ensnared in something that is just as bad! In this day, you appear to be giving good advice!

[AgentofReason]

At (8:00) you stated something about the Hebrew Israelites and thier Doctines. I know some of those brothers put peole off because of the way they deceminate thier information. However the bit about there being no "J" in the hebrew language is the truth, you'll find this out if you do your research. Also, the messiah, never called his follows "Christians". That name "Jesus Christ" and "Christian" was put into the New Testament to promote this religion called "Christianity".

[nocturne1980]

May God bless you sister! <3

[dermont5]

Fantastic talk my sister. Think this is right where I am. Coming out of the institution and trying to figure out what now. I love Jesus with my everything. keep me lifted up during this time.

[grayscar05]

@Simon56 also I'm curious to know how as you put it, there are born again believers that are Calvinist, Greek etc and are not willing to accept and/or acknowledge false teachings and ungodly practices. I always thought born again believers are partial to the truth and will eventually conduct themselves accordingly. It's not in them to ignore and dismiss the truth because the conviction of the Holy Spirit ... So please clarify that statement beautiful :)

[simone56]

@grayscar05 I once believed error and was born again, people have to realize that salvation is a process of sanctification, and no one has arrived or attained a state of believing perfectly or having perfect doctrine. God will continually guide his children to see the truth, the fact is that he is way more patient than we would give him credit.

[grayscar05]

@Simon56 ,I love you .... I'm so encouraged and inspired by you being submissive to Gods will and the anointing you exude. Pray for me as I pray for you. May God Bless you tremendously and stay encouraged and strong sista!!

[blueskylane100]

real good points!!! blessings!!!

[sharongodsgirl]

good study and a very good video my friend.

[sharongodsgirl]

a very good video. I have a few questions for you though. Accept my freindship and i will send them to you and we can talk about them please. Bless you sister.

[Afrolatin22]

Acts 7:48 Our bodies are the true church of God n Jesus is head of it. Not a building with images inside, with symbols and a higher leveled person standing on a altar.

[EnChristosEime4life]

I am rejoicing in my spirit to hear you say that you no longer identify as a Calvanist. Yes, there are so many movements out there just waiting to tear us apart this is why we need to keep praying for the saints. I do believe this great exodus you speak of is divinely orchastrated though and just like the ememy of our souls is a counterfeit, he wants to try to counterfeit this movement and set up parachurch organizations and movement to deliver people back over to bondate. Thx for this video.

[blackbolt75]

Very good.

[brotherfrank62]

Exodus Chapter 20:Vers.17 the tenth commandment: Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

[topcityres]

The only true church to Jesus Christ is in our hearts.

[compassionofchristom]

I love your channel and this video is a on time word. I had to subscribed....Be blessed

[Christisourhope]

Good word....



[royalescorpio]

GOD is awesome and his timing is the time. Many years ago several of my sisters in Christ and myself included left our former churches (the building) because GOD opened our spiritual eyes and was growing us in more truth to be used by HIM. So may GOD continue to grow you in revealing the truth. Years ago GOD lead me to this scripture: Jeremiah 11:14 (read), this will also encourage you in standing for what is biblical regarding a previous video. May GOD bless you as you bless others.........

[Virgetta1]

Please send me a friend request, thanks.

[nicodemous52]

I’d say that the Calvinists are correct and incorrect. I do think they are correct about being drawn and I think they are right in denouncing decisional regeneration. Where I feel they are wrong is on how they see the “elect”. I think the elect are those that are drawn and come, not those predestined for salvation. I don’t think we come to the Lord unless drawn, and we are only drawn when we may actually come…

[NewEarthWellness]

I requested to be friends with you sometime back but haven't heard back and wanted to send you a pm but couldn't because of it. :(

[simone56]

@NewEarthWellness I sent you a request.

[NewEarthWellness]

@simone56 I don't know why YT doesn't seem to recognize it.--- Strange. Well, I wanted to tell you how much I liked the quiet refomration video. I don't know why some think that you were angry. I didn't hear that in you. I also wanted to mention that Jesus said that just before he would return the wheat and tares would be seperated. In Revelation God calls "come out of her, my people" so keep the Bible and Jesus first in your life. Stay strong my sweet sister.

[NewEarthWellness]

@simone56 Must be a glitch in the YT program somewhere. I keep getting the message that it is pending.

[reesi008]

Good video. When people finally have a relationship with Christ, God will then be able to lead them to a church. You are so right about the "individualism" that comes out of people being hurt by churches. People thinking they can do it all on their own. That is not how Christ created us. People still have to be a part of a church body...

[TDEIBOLD]

Good post, Sis! A true believer understands where you are coming from. If the Word of God is being taught, then we hear His voice. However if it doesn't line up with the Word of God in context and content, then the preacher/teacher is talking from himself. The church is becoming more and more apostate and people are falling for new "gospels" and demonic doctrines. What is sad is, people are leaving the church because of falseness but never reconnecting with the body of Christ.

[FitnessMinded]

Has anyone ever had the calling to stay in their perspective church and work on addressing the errors that has been revealed to them? I heard Paul Washer say in a video that the greatest evangelical mission today should be the one to people within the church. I couldn't agree more with his perspective. Although I work with substance abuse / homeless population, I feel that is my calling. I mos def feel someone who sees the error in the church should stay and try and humbly let Christ correct

[simone56]

@FitnessMinded I do believe there are Jeremiahs out there who are called to do that. Leaving a fellowship is a decision of which has to be prayed about and considered in a biblical manner. I do not recommend anyone TAKE THIS LIGHTLY. God may be calling you to stay and minister to the remnant there and stand up against the falsehood.

[FitnessMinded]

@simone56 I love what you are doing sister. I feel like you in so many instances. Because like you, I was convicted to walk away from the bglo I was a member of. So leaving, I don't regret leaving that org, but the fact that many in bglo and an IC don't understand the call some have to do so. And they offended because when you tell them it was Christ that called you out of it, it is offensive because they wonder why?

[gmisch244]

@FitnessMinded 2Thess2. The falling away = Defection from truth. The 'church' has followed false doctrine, signs, wonders: God is Truth therefore creating infidelity in the relationship with the Father. It is clearly stated that God Himself will send STRONG DELUSION!!! literal translation = certificate of divorce. Judgment begins in the house of God. No-one has bothered to ask HOW DOES GOD JUDGE? WHAT FORM DOES THE JUDGMENT TAKE? The Husband has divorced the bride.by sending delusion - apostasy.

[FitnessMinded]

@gmisch244 Please don't confuse the true church with what people are calling the church today. The 'church' is the 'Ekklesia' and it is the remnant. Obviously when you read OT and NT, you understand because of God's mercy for the 'remnant" that is why we are still around. So to say the "church" has been divorced, I don't agree. What you are caling it is and was never it according to scripture. The ekklesia was never sent a strong delusion because only they truly know God

[BCRIBB4real]

Amen sister Simone!

as He the Lord Himself has said... come out of her my people!

this world's system, it's idolatries, it's heiarchy's, it's unbiblical apostate, lukewarm false representation of what is Holy and Righteous.

false doctrines, preaching another Jesus and so forth!

teaching you to obeserve commandments of men and deny the Truth of GOD!

you learn to appease the flesh while your soul perishes!

wake up people the Good Shepherd is the LORD JESUS CHRIST!

read your BIBLE!

[carlanee1]

Why do you sound so bitter and full of hate since you are full of love?

[simone56]

@carlanee1 really? I thought I was pretty nice in this video. *shrugs*

[simone56]

This is the same false teaching many people are running to. Christianity IS NOT A RELIGION. It is defined as relationship with Jesus Christ. For clarity please define what you believe Christianity is.

[neyo196]

Christianity is a pagan religion

[carlanee1]

@neyo196 I agree.

[crystalevans1954]

There are also people who have stopped attending IC's and instead meet at homes and have their services there. What do you think about that?

[nukeman444]

Thank you Simone56, we are depending on Saints such as yourself to help guide us out of the unclear waters.

[wordfire77]

Praise Jesus sister , stand up for the truth Amen , 2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction.

[MsBREATHOFLIFE]

If your against preaching what are you doing preaching on Youtube? What are you doing speaking on anything concerning the church? I'm really confused why would you have all those videos up speaking against women, usrupting authority and this is what your doing>?

[simone56]

@MsBREATHOFLIFE I am not against preaching at all. Whatever gave you that idea? The word "usurp means to take by force, how do I usurp doing a youtube video?

My videos have disabled comments because I was tired of answering the scores of messages I was getting from them. In about a month or so I will shut off the comments for this post as well.

[MsBREATHOFLIFE]

@simone56 Well, I hate to see you go but we are not taking this ministry from the men, who doesn't want to go. I'm a little upset with these videos I should of prayed before I got on here. I didn't expect to hear from you so soon. Forgive me for that. I just wanted to know why? I usually tell men that their is pleanty of God to go around for everyone to preach the Word of God whether male or female.

[MsBREATHOFLIFE]

All of those videos don't have a comment page to them why? I have a few things to say on this subject.

[MsBREATHOFLIFE]

I don't understand are you the person who speaks agains woman pastoring in the churches? Women Pastors part 3 and such? Or is this another woman who speaks against this? And why isn't there no commentings on these video's. Becuz what this woman is saying is so out of context. The same as what the men who claim that Paul was telling women not to speak. Or keep quit. You or this person says, that a God never uses a woman for important work like this. What about Deborah? Over 40 thous men and women

[simone56]

@MsBREATHOFLIFE I hold the stance against women being elders based on 1 Tim 3's qualifications. God bless you if you choose a woman as a pastor. Pray for me, maybe I am lacking understanding.

[MsBREATHOFLIFE]

@simone56 Well, who is the women that you down loaded? Why does she refuse comments on her page? If you read Judges 4:4-6 I believe it states that Deborah was the wife of one man. Lapadoth. The only reference I got on women keeping quit was the Proverbs 31 Woman and as I was reading this, it says she was a business women who brought land while her husband sat in the gate. The O/T does not tell women to keep quit. There is no scripture saying for woman to do that. Now, usrupting is another thing.

[simone56]

@MsBREATHOFLIFE I have no issues with the Proverbs31 woman. I desire to be her. I believe however there are certain roles for men and for women. Concerning elders, I believe according to the bible this is a man's role who fits the qualifications. If you believe God has called you to pastor, God bless you. There are worse things going on in the body right now for me to worry about a woman who wants to preach the truth.

[MsBREATHOFLIFE]

I don't choose a woman as a pastor I'm a Pastor, Evangelist, Prophetess Teacher. Jeremiah says that a woman shall compass a man. Not in headship, but I belive it's ministery. All women are not like what the men were saying on the other video's cutting women down like dogs. I don't know the women they were talking about saying that single women up preaching maybe they need a man, not in to preach but to do manly things. They are dogs if they are doing this they aren't saved. They don't have God.

[simone56]

@MsBREATHOFLIFE Well I didn't post such a video. I think you may have me confused with someone else.

[simone56]

God uses women for many important works. Youtube videos are a small part of what God has me doing for the kingdom. If you are going to make the following comment: "...what this woman is saying is so out of context." then please tell me what that might be so we can discuss it here... on topic to the video of course. My views on women in ministry are not up for discussion.

[bigcpop74]

Could you please explain what you couldnt co sign in Calvanisim?

[simone56]

@bigcpop74

1. I do not believe God's atonement is as "Limited" as Calvinists believe. I never have, and I have identified myself as a 4.5 point Calvinist because of it.

2. The unloving and militant reactions by those who call themselves Calvinists who question their doctrine.

3. I disagree with points of the Westminster Confession, of which I couldn't BEGIN to discuss here.

4. John Calvin was a murder and I have no reason to believe the man was saved.

[simone56]

Contd.

5. While God initiates salvation and we have NOTHING to do with it, God calls those who will RESPOND to the call. Calvinism makes it seem as if believers are robots and have no ability to "work out our salvation." Human responsibility works in tandem with God's Sovereignty.

6. The constant debates, fighting, quarreling when the bible is CLEAR that a servant of the Lord should not strive.

7. Calvinists have become puffed up because of the knowledge they have accrued.

[bigcpop74]

@simone56 I fall into sin when it comes to pride and I fight against it constantly. I quess I would be called a five pointer, but most importantly I have faith that I've been saved and will be saved by the blood of Christ. He is everything. I don't believe a man dead spiritually can respond to the call, but I do believe a man born again can work out his salvation in fear and trembling. With that being said, God Bless you sister. I love your work, and I pray God prospers it.

[simone56]

@bigcpop74 God bless you as well!

[simone56]

@bigcpop74 Please note that not all Calvinists act in this manner, but it is part of the fruit I have seen looking at the group, not at individuals in particular. I personally will not take any other name than Christ. Whether they realize it or not, they do exalt Calvin and his theology over Christ, and are practicing idolatry. Jesus said that to the Pharisees that they thought by knowing the scriptures they had eternal life, however they won't come to the ONE who those scriptures speak about.

[jamal23227]

I left the church I attended for 20 years. It was a charismatic word-of-faith Kenneth Hagin-ite church. Right now I'm lost and confused. I'm back to the world, unhappy and miserable. Just to show you that the spirit of Jonestown is alive and well.

[simone56]

@jamal23227 Are there any brothers and sisters you know who you can talk to, confide in, or meet with? Please let me comfort you. Please look at the link in the more info section. God bless you and REMEMBER you are NOT alone.

[mcelweewife]

you are so on point!

[FitnessMinded]

Sister Simone, great video!

I have an added take on the "falling away" that many have to also consider. Many who are leaving the church have to make sure it is being done at the direction of the holy spirit and make sure that their intentions are of God. I don't only believe that the apostacy and false teachers in the church are the "falling away" but those sheep being scattered or willingly leaving are apart of it as well. Leaving without sound doctrine, running from wolves to new wolves

[simone56]

@FitnessMinded I believe the scattering of the sheep is part of the apostasy as well. I member Paul saying that we should not be tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine. Thank you for the comments as all ways they are appreciated.

[FitnessMinded]

@simone56 Oh, no problem sister Simone. My belief truly now is that many are leaving the "IC" as people have left it call it and are "ironically" running from what they believe to be false doctrine and teachers right into the hands other false teachers and wolves who actually may be more dangerous

[simone56]

@FitnessMinded That is my concern too. It is like jumping out of the pan and into the fire...

[Truth4truthIzm]

Great video. I was thinking along these lines lately. You are not the only one. The Lord is speaking to his people to go back to that simple faith which brought us to him. All this going back and forth on doctrinal issues, posperity, false doctrine, etc We need to go back to our rock which is Christ Jesus.

[hgthomas1]

So my question is, who in the church called you to account for something you did in error, that would cause you to decide to follow Harold Camping and others like him? Do you feel you are better equipped to teach? I would suggest that you remember that those who consider themselves teachers will be more sternly judged that those of us you think you are teaching. Something to consider. And why do you think you have a 'prophetic voice' that speaks to this? Who taught you this doctrine?

[simone56]

@hgthomas1 Harold Canping is a FALSE TEACHER and PROPHET. Just because Family Radio talks about the institution and coming out, does not mean that everyone who has something to say about the institution believes his false doctrine. This did not start with him, this is a move of God. These questions are just filled with assumptions about what I believe that 500 characters cannot begin address it. I do what God has called me to do, and no it is not a "prophetic voice" is the Spirit of God.

[simone56]

@hgthomas1 IF you have disagreements with what I said, point it out and let's discuss. I'm open to dialog, it doesn't have to turn into an argument filled with assumptions.

[FitnessMinded]

@hgthomas1 You see, the problem in the protestant church is that, there is no true accountability. Every group is splintered. The revelation I had was that "christian" denominations are not godly. Short reasons why? They are divisive, cause confusion, and teach different Christ's.

[simone56]

@FitnessMinded I agree. 1Cor 1:10-17 would validate your revelation. Denominations are divisions amongst the body of Christ.

[fruitofspirit]

In terms of real churches out there, it is slim-pickings these days. We have to use proper discernment & let the LORD lead us. Some churches have forgot the Gospel entirely. They act more like resorts than humble places of worship. It makes me angry, but more & more I just think how sad it will be when they have to give an account of their actions. I can hear them say, "But look at all the marketing & advertising we did for You, LORD!" as He turns them away. I pray they repent.

[simone56]

@fruitofspirit It angers me too sis. But I trust God and the fact that I know he leads his people through the Spirit. Thank you for your input it is always appreciated.

[fruitofspirit]

@simone56 Love you, Girl!

[sasilver1]

This video is completely on target! Great video!

[simone56]

@sasilver1 God bless you!

[intjurban]

Blessed message, Godspeed.

[simone56]

@intjurban Thank you... the same to you.

[Soul4JC]

Thank you sis. That's exactly what I needed. Unfortunately, I live in the Netherlands and almost all the English speaking churches follow the same doctrine. If they're not, they're letting their congregation do whatever they want.. that's not good either. Yah will make a way though. Stay blessed.

[simone56]

@Soul4JC That really blesses me! I just wanted to encourage those right now going through this right now.

[jtray3]

Good teaching.

[goombabear]

We left a church because the Lord was calling us to leave because we did not feel the Holy Spirit was present and that there were no true Christians there. I told a member confidentially why we were leaving via e-mail and she then copied my e-mail and showed everyone in authority. This angered the pastor, he then lied and threatened us. He is no brother in Christ of mine. These people were so phony. They are all upper-middle class, non-Christians who only attended Church for a support system.

[simone56]

@goombabear That is really sad, but you may have discerned correctly about this Church. I will pray for you and anyone during this time trying to heal from leaving churches.

[goombabear]

@simone56 Thank you. for now I know the Lord wants us to stay away. Many blessings to you. 

[simone56]

@goombabear just God where God leads. Read his word, renew your mind. God bless

[goombabear]

I would like to have fellowship with other Christians, but unfortunately we have not found a church that is not apostate.

[spekgirl1]

I am almost sure my church is living right... Teaching on the fear of God, His soon coming and to yield completely to Him, we cry out for mercy... I do hope we are pleasing unto the Lord.

[mignondee]

I do understand you 100%. My husband and I left a church with false teaching almost 2 years ago (we were not married at the time) and we just joined a church only 2 months ago. It took quite a while and we were attracted to the Calvinist doctrine as well, but now it is Christ and Christ alone that we seek. It was so easy to fall into the knowledge of doctrine, but I am grateful that Christ reigns, because I was starting to feel like I was loosing myself in the knowledge. Thanks for obedience!

[drrtree]

You don't know how timely this video is! I needed this! My husband and I are leaving the SDA organization after having been members for all of our lives. I've surely been guilt tripped by those who attach weekly attendance to salvation. Isolation is definitely a feeling that I've had as of late. But, I thank God for peace.  Because of this, I do not feel the need to make any rash decisions. I've been in the process of healing, and still continue to heal. I will follow Christ as He leads.

[simone56]

@Savedbygrace70 Thank bro! God bless you.

[Virgetta1]

Tell us more about your local assembly. I am struggling with this issue. When I think I may have found an acceptable congregation, I research further and find false teachings like tithing. How did you find a group that you can worship with in spirit and in truth?

[simone56]

@Virgetta1 Sis I know this will be long, so I will respond to you privately :-D

[Nephtali1981]

Amen sister, Amen... Great word sister.... when i left my prosperity gospel church, i was very upset at first; God dealt with me too little by little... Only one way, that is Jesus Christ. Amen

[simone56]

@Nephtali1981 Thank you bro. To God be the glory... your feedback is always appreciated.

[mantleofvalor]

This is the great apostasy. Stick around: more scandal will cause people to denounce the faith.

[simone56]

@mantleofvalor It's true! This is what God has prophesied to us concerning the falling away.

[lastblast7]

@mantleofvalor I think what is troubling is many are teaching today those who leave the 501(C)3 churches are the ones who are apostacizing. The passage about a time coming when persecutors will "think" they are doing so for God, comes to mind. The "do not forsake the gathering together" passage is used to say a person/family MUST attend a local "church". Truth is, those who are GENUINE CHRISTIANS will hunger AND FIND others of like mind and fellowship together, in whatever way they can.

[simone56]

@lastblast7 Great comment. This is how many IC's justify what is happening... and will even use the scripture in 1 John 2:19 -" They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us." To try to guilt trip believers from staying in their false church.

[mantleofvalor]

@lastblast7

Good point. What amazes me most is the ignorance of the sheep.

I was at a service hungering for the word, and the message was not delivered because they went into hysterical "praise and worship". People speaking in unknown tongues and falling out, while some man "prophesied".

No one was converted, and none of the prophecies came to pass.

If I want entertainment, I turn on the TV.