Electric Cars: A Dual Plan for Recharged Driving

[DBSpy1]

Is anyone out there going to trade there brand new car battery in for a 5 year old used one?

[gebrechlichkeit]

@DBSpy1 Point is, you don't own the battery. You buy the car and rent the battery. Whenever you trade in the one you use for a fully charged one, you only use it a few charges; depending on how often you go outside town and as batteries get better you get an automatic upgrade, free of charge. Imagine that for your cellphone.

[iRouRoui]

rich petrol people and companies will never allow this to happend, you need to fight real hard, please !!

[Zoza15]

Has this idea what they have in mind be conceptualized?..

[Capitancanguro1]

The best idea for long runs is for the main road authority to instal power transmitting antennae under the bitumen,like Tesla used to power his little sub.

[paispica]

Lets have a clean world :)

[Zoza15]

@paispica Im in for that! :D

[milesK12]

This is stupid my design leaves this soloution flat! Lets just hope Mclaren see's it that way actually comes back to me and doesn't try to screw me over otherwise my pencil design in my room is going straight to the media with a letter of how big companies like to rip designs without paying for them.

[dtbakernsf]

For the long haul auto, truck, ship, and airplane I see refined bio-diesel as the future and continued use of internal combustion for these purposes. The good news is that bio-diesel from sources like oil-algae are super low in CO2 and harmful emissions.

[dtbakernsf]

The highway re-fill station I cannot see as a viable option. To recover the cost of the special filling equipment, installation of heavy ampere chargers for the station to refill depleted packs would add so much to the cost of the refill that I doubt it could be competitive.

[dtbakernsf]

I am a proponent of EVs for the sub-100mile typical commute day; and believe that workplace re-charging is the way to go. Fairly easily accomplished with installation of PV in parking lots with pods of plugs. Almost no affect on the grid, and possible POSITIVE feed in if not all plugs are in service.

[PersonguydudeWB]

This is kinda silly with today's technology. Especially when you consider that most of the electricity in America comes from coal, or when you realize that lithium ion batteries takes more than half a millennium to decompose.

[justgivemethetruth]

what happens when 20 miles away the battery pack you switched in happens to be bad or defective?

[pbmartin14]

@justgivemethetruth good point. what happens when 20 miles away your gas tank in your car has a deective tank plug and starts leaking.  the odds of getting a defective one is like 1: 999999999999

[justgivemethetruth]

@pbmartin14

Come on ... that irrevelent, what happens when you are 20 miles away and a meteor hits the Earth, or you have a heart attack, or aliens invade the planet? You are just being silly.

I think electric cars are great, I'd like to get one, but I do not want to swap parts of it out for God knows what.

I'd prefer a hybrid.

[pbmartin14]

@justgivemethetruth

well there is evs that charge in about10 min, and get 250-300mile range which are both normalfor a gas car, 300 mile range, and 10min " re fuel"

[ThePFCBox]

@pbmartin14 Which EVS is that one, and what technology is using? Director@EIVT.com

[pbmartin14]

@ThePFCBox theres a few, and some i wont remmber

tesla model s, 200-300mile range, 15-45 min charging time( their coming out with a new charger for the tesla)

ssc auro 10min charging time, 240mile range

some suv( i forgot) 10 min charging, 190mile range

[JRoque250]

@justgivemethetruth Keep in mind that in the played scenario the batteries would be leased, you wouldn't own them. It's a far shot but you can think of it as you do for your gas grill - you take the empty tank to the store and get a new one filled up. Chargers can easily pick out "bad" cells so getting a bad pack wouldn't be common. The risk is about the same as what we have now with gasoline being mixed with water at the gas station.

[dmgcat]

of course the battery can charge itself while driving an electric by adding a small gas or propane powered electric generator for emergencies. This is the way hybrid systems are set up now with electric assist but I like to go extreme and think of it as gas assist/mostly electric. That way we spend less on fuel.

[playmovingpictures]

this is pure gold, the future is here. I like the swap the battery idea but could the battery charge its self while traveling somehow like the energy of wind or wheels spinning can we harness this energy so the battery is self charging?

[nightsoul2003]

Simply put with the law of thermodynamics, You cannot get more energy from something then has been put in. so 1+1 does not = 3 Unless you get into fringe science type of stuff and inter-dimensional forces (search zero point energy ) and just plain out there theory but thats another topic altogether.

[3089280288]

Hydraulic drivetrains will solve the problem because it does not drain the batteries. The electric motors are used for building hydraulic pressure rather than moving the car. If hydraulics are used to stop a car, then why not use hydraulics to move the car?

[frvfilms]

what if we can just carry spare batteries,

[7926645]

16SKB

Nanotechnology won't come cheap, and therefore won't solve the problem. People keep forgetting about one thing....cost.

[jewlzorjay]

We don't want to switch "horses" or feed our horses every time we stop. If its pissing down with rain the last thing you want to do is quickly unplug your car before jumping in and driving off!!!

[BLA5HPHEMY]

Listen to the video! The stations are engineered on an electrical level to make sure that kids don't electrocute themselves. That means that very low levels of current are going through anytime a disconnect happens. Once you start to pull that cable, the current's going to drop off mighty fast and there's no safety issues.

[Zamboro]

Did you see that Better Place cars can also charge via induction pads under the parking spots?

[jewlzorjay]

I personally think the only real solution is fast charging. i don't think its impossible its out technology that fails us.

[Zamboro]

What about battery swap stations? Swap out your exhausted battery for a freshly charged one, and keep driving. Better Place is building those. There are also Redox batteries, which use a charged electrolytic fluid that can be drained out of the battery, and fully charged replacement fluid is put in, almost the same way you'd refuel a gas car.

[jewlzorjay]

The only was fast charging will work is if some rich arrabs (who sell oil) adopt the idea for one of there Dubia type projects.

I like the idea of changing the charged fluid its a good idea provided that the old fluid can be recharged.

But on the fast charging thing i heard somthing about MIT made a fast charge battery ( i think it was MIT) it was fully charged in 2 minutes.

[3089280288]

That would require standardization for the swaping but I like the Redox idea if you used lead acid.

[Zamboro]

I think you'd have the same standardization problem with redox that you would with battery swapping because not all car manufacturers would want to use the same chemistry for their electrolyte.

Imagine a swap station that can handle multiple types of battery pack. The automated bit under the car that moves the battery about and lifts it into place can adjust to grip various pack formats.

When you need a swap, your GPS would show you only swap stations with compatible battery packs available.

[abyssquick]

Solar skin on the vehicle's roof. hood. trunk. So it is charging while parked, all the time. Powered by the sun. End of story.

[16SKB]

yeah, but sadly, that's not feasible today... But soon nanotechnology will solve that problem... (and thousands more)

[abyssquick]

It's not effiecinet enough, yet. But soon it will be. We can make the panels thin enough already. We just need to increase their output. Very soon we should have completely self-sustaining electric cars. I can't wait!

[16SKB]

although we'll never get to buy one until there's no oil left

[abyssquick]

I have some faith in indie movements. If the technology becomes cheap and accessible in any form, people will make/modify cars with it. If it works, people will catch on.

[Zamboro]

Tragically, solar panel efficiency today is such that you'd have to sit in the sun for eight hours to go an additional mile. And solar panel efficiency is one of the slowest areas of technological progress.

It's still a good idea though, but for a different reason. It would mean that if you had an electric SUV and went camping, you could use up the entire battery getting to the camping spot. Then just camp out for a week or two and by the time you're ready to go home, it'll have enough juice.

[tuttt99]

If we electrify our transportation, that extra power will have to come from someplace.

IOW you will have to replace the fossil fuels used to make Gasoline/Diesel with some other energy source.

[dresteban]

yes but even the most inefficient coal plant is more efficient than car engines

[tuttt99]

Precisely.

Which is why replacing gasoline powered cars with electric cars powered by coal fired electric is worse that gasoline powered cars to begin with

[dresteban]

are you retarded? i will make it simple

dirty coal plants are still MORE EFFICIENT than petrol cars.

[appletonp]

Analogy of switching horses very effective. It was what built the US communication system, it was the pony express.

[wade2bosh]

green jobs are the fastest growing job sector in germany.

[cduval1234]

That sound like a good idea, but need the infrastructure and a realiable enough electric car.

[Jrien]

Um, this is cool and all, but traveling 200km in one trip isn't uncommon at all for me or my family. What about people who have to travel a lot?

[wade2bosh]

that is based on todays electric cars....

[Jrien]

True I suppose, but he really didn't mention any advancements in cars beyond this point in the presentation, so I'm just working from that for now.

[gasttheplast]

Another way of eliminate the poor people from the freedom of travel, and how about in the wilderness what then, and what to you do with the battery when it is done!

[MoltenPlastic]

Actually, if you own a car then you are part of the rich minority living on this planet.

[gasttheplast]

unfortunately your right, But here in Canada 30 years ago a car was very easy to obtain and maintain mind you not a new car . And now young people can't owen car's at all.

[dstone2004]

There are about 600 million cars in use around the world, and most cities have problems with too much traffic.

I'm all for eliminating fossil fuel use and using electricity, but if cars get cheaper to buy, traffic will be a nightmare.

We need roads that can handle at least 3 times more cars then there are now, and more methods of mass public transit.

Someone from the future needs to come back in time and bring back transported technology.

Are you reading this future yoputubers?!?!?!

[gasttheplast]

Well than go back to the small community and small farmer's. And you wont need big highways for the mias traffic, people wont need to drive 1/2 hour plus, to go to work, shopping, etc. And you will cut fuel admission by at least 70%, But that would not be good for the BIG CORPORATE INTEREST ?!?!

[OneoftheImmortals]

Excellent!

[Slug99]

Why a extension chord why not just put magnetic inductors in certain parking lots and when you pay for the parking space you also recharge your car.

[LorenzKamo]

and where are we going to get all this energy? great plan - too bad it requires a shit load of energy projects that aren't even available at the moment

[Slug99]

This is stuff for the next 20-40 year. not next quarters. You might as well say "Gosh, what neat little things you have there Mr. Edison but this electricity thing; won't you have to build a huge network of power cables to reach every home. Where on earth are you going to get all that power!"

As demand for more electricity arises, the private sector will gladly find ways to supply it.

[rhbjorn]

Maybe not in the US, but in Denmark and Israel this is getting rolled out starting this year.

Renault already has the cars ready and in Denmark. DONG is supplying the grid. The power comes from windmills( we have"a few" of those here.

[doctender77]

Communists!!! Glen Beck says green jobs and green technology are a scam by the Marxists so it must be true.

[Mastikator]

The dude speaking was a CEO of a major corporation. This was brought to you by capitalism.

[AimiriZ]

yeah cause we can't put these old ideas in use without some rich fucks getting richer.

[Mastikator]

Hehe, even good things done by capitalism is ivul and zatan.

Socialists are so deliciously religious.

[AimiriZ]

I didn't say everything done by capitalism is evil, Mr strawman.

[Mastikator]

No, but you acted as if wealth is bad.

Oh, and by the way, we can put old ideas in use without some rich fucks getting richer. How about you do it yourself? I mean, rich people don't deserve their wealth because anybody can do what they've done. But you as an enlightened human being can use the money for a greater good, justice and liberty for all, equality and other fantasmagorical symbols.

[AimiriZ]

hmmm, I didn't say capitalism is evil and you say that I did, and also you said that I was religious ( religion of socialism), that is called a strawman. don't deny it. I don't recognize my self as a socialist yet cause I can't find a great example of a socialist system but on the other hand I don't see any proof that socialism if fundamentally broken.

of course, we could do it ourselves but you know there is much work to be done before people realize this.

[Mastikator]

I didn't say you said capitalism is evil, that is a lie.

I did imply that you thought it was, and then I said that you acted as though wealth is bad. But I never put words in your mouth.

[dresteban]

wealth isn't automatically bad however neither is it automatically good

[Mastikator]

I think wealth is good. I like having nice things.

[dresteban]

good in the moral sense

[AimiriZ]

"I didn't say you said capitalism is evil

I did imply that you thought it was"

XD

[tvbloke]

Genius! Australian towns are all positioned a Cobb & Co Coach ride apart - they go in increments of 15, 35 and 75km between one horse, two horse and large stable towns. The difference here is that Agassi's horse goes fifteen times further than Cobb & Co's ever did and a lot faster. Where do I sign.

[funkalunatic]

Which makes more sense?

1 Everybody in the nation to buys an electric car that doesn't yet exist, nationwide infrastructure of stations for swapping out everybody's toxic batteries, traffic, fatalities, and land-use issues continue to skyrocket, impractical to maintain your own car.

or

2 Build a basic mass transit backbone, people can park+ride(+rent) for out-of-town trips.

[Anothercoilgun]

1. I Vote for number 1.

[Anothercoilgun]

I also gave you a negative and spam mark.

[valhala56]

Well in a word it makes no sense at all. James Kunstler said that our society will try every work-around possible to save it. We will invest what little capital we have left in these schemes that are theoreticaly possible on small scales but do not scale up nationwide much less globaly.

When all these schemes fail-see Boone Pickens on running vehicles on Natural Gas on wind turbines then we will be like the Amish, Horse & buggy, & when that time comes try trading your Porsche for a mule.

[timsartsite]

i would love to ride a mass transit system. i know my parents would be great full to not have to ride on a plane.

[pramodmeee]

FYI : The Vold does exist. GM built the first electric car on 1950s but they were forced to destroy it by Arab countries for big bucks. Do not beleive me?? just google it!

[allgoo19]

funklunatic: "Which makes more.."

Answer 3) Combination of folding bicycle + mass transit. Kind of alternative to answer 2. Majority of people won't need a car. This also minimize the medical cost of obesity, heart surgery, knee surgery, hip replacement and all others caused by over weight.

[funkalunatic]

Actually yeah, bicycle-type transportation is what I would favor in a perfect world. It's complete insanity that we design our entire transportation networks around autos and require pedestrians and bicyclists dodge them to find a route along the margins, if they even can.

[allgoo19]

funklunatic: "Actually yeah, bicycle-type.."

So true. City streets are designed heavily in favor of cars because there are more people drive than people ride bicycles. It becomes a matter of which has to come first, chicken or the egg.

[ApocalypticMetalHead]

Just dumb.

Current battery technology can hold a charge for a very long time, once the corruption in our government and the oil/auto industry ends, we will have EV(electric vehicles) that will go well over 300MPC(miles per charge) and there will be no need for this goofy idea of having outlets all over the place.

Unfortunately, GM sold this crucial battery technology to Chevron/Texaco in 99 I believe, so they delayed it and now the ev market won't peak for at least another 5-10 years.

[anubis2814]

Well when corruption ends I think humans wont even be in the same species anymore. Humanity is sadly a bit dumb there.

[valhala56]

Ok, tell me if I am missing something here. The US has over 100 million cars, & we are going to replace all these cars with electric that uses Lithium batteries, which are enviromentaly destructive, only place in the world with L is Boliva, we are going to cover the entire US with chargeing stations & in a economic depression/credit crisis/mass unemployment people will be able to purchase these electric cars at $50,000 a pop. Oh yeah, the Easter Bunny is real, so is Santa, & so are Unicorns.

[DNATS]

Just to correct you, it more like 250 millions cars. Or roughly one for every licensed driver.

[valhala56]

@DNATS, I was takeing an extremely conservative guestimate. So again how does this guy propose that we switch the entire fleet of 250 million cars to brand new electric cars in the middle of a Global credit crisis?

They would deplete all the Lithium in Boliva in 8 months, again another conservative guesstimate, no more lithium-no more batteries-no more chargeing stations-no more electric cars. The $800 Billion dollar Tarp might have been a start but that was given to the Banksters.

[82abhilash]

I am assuming you have some means of charging people for charging their cars in a parking lot. An electric meter of some sort.

[chopin65]

Perhaps some kind of credit system, where you could purchase credits online, download them to the computer of your car. The charging site would then deduct the number of credits used to charge the battery.

[valhala56]

James Howard Kunstler states that our society will try every work around to save the Happy motoring experience. The problem is not that the technology is not possible,what people don't get is SCALE. It took 100 years to cover the US with gas stations, ie over 150,000. How are we going to cover the US with L battery replacement stations in the nessacary time. You may not be aware, but the world is in a Credit crisis, just where is the $ going to come from to build this nationwide infrastructure?

[valhala56]

This sounds about as promising as the Segway, let's see people are going to go nuts to buy a vehicle that has a top speed of 10mph, you ride standing up, most large cities have banned, costs about $6 K, Wiil face plant you into the sidewalk in front of curious onlookers amazed at the idiot riding the battery powered lawn mower looking like some one's bad meth trip.

Yeah Segways were going to change transportation, we can see how great that worked.

[valhala56]

I've heard this guys before, basically he plan on using a cell phone type model. The cars will be subsidized similar to cell phone plans & peeps will be charged on usage.

Problem is this guy ignores the 5 major reasons this isn't going to happen.

1] You couldn't mine L fast enough for all the batteries.

2] Global credit crisis, Trillion of $ lost already, goverments bankrupt

3] The people are broke & in hock to their eyeballs

4] There is currently 1 all electric car in the US, Tesla

[82abhilash]

He cannot operate without subsidy. That is like declaring yourself bankrupt before starting your business!!

[valhala56]

@82abhilash, your comment is a double negative. BTW like I said the guy in the video said in a radio show that he was modeling is sytem after the way cellphones are subsidized. I think his program will fail before it gets off the ground. Boone Pickens $2 Billion he invested in a wind turbines has already been canceled.