By now I have replicated the Bedini fan and it works well but I would like the fan to turn the other direction. How can that be done, just swapping the wrap ends and the beginnings like TC becomes PC?
@Joebundy Hi, The batteries gained about 10 amp hours at least the two that I had continual cycling on. I am not sure about the direction of the fan swapping power coil, then you may have to swap the trigger coil again for it to work ( not sure ).
Thank you for your reply, sounds good with your power packs, I found it works well when you just use then, discharge, then cold recharge.
I have build a couple of those fans by now, a small one and an 8" one, the big one turns either way but I am not too excited about the output, maybe needs some tweaking but from I learned about it, it should be possible to build a big motor, with stator and magnets and then the sky is the limit....
@WattSekunde You have not looked at my other videos where I have built the circuit from scratch one part at a time. Many excellent web pages out on how to build the bedini.
I still don't understand just what this thing does... I mean. What is it built for.. Its cool and all,. But what is the purpose. What is the function, Like how could I use this in an everyday life,. What does it do for me.. Could this be tagged onto my wind turbine set up and charge while using something else. I mean I am lost here. I just don't get what's going on. PLEASE explain. Cause I was brought up thinking that ENERGY can neither be created nor destroyed, S
What this can do is recover about 40% to 80% of the energy you use to run the fan into a second battery I have found from my experiments. Practically, where you can use this is to desulfate a the second battery as it puts out a large pulsed DC charge to the second battery. Thus giving more life to the battery you charge. Thus you could create a battery bank from old discarded batteries in a few months time. I have not proved extra energy, only an very efficient use of it.
lets say your motor setup draws 100 watts and 50 watts are being sent to another battery charging.
the truth is that your main battery is sending 50 watts to run the motor and the other 50 to charge up the second battery using the motor as a medium for the power transfer.
@ werrycoolnick I guess a test to prove out your idea would be to take a battery and run it down with just the load of the fan then take the second battery and run it down as well. Then compare that setup time to if you use the secondary battery. The main I have found so far on this setup is it desulfates the battery this is the greatest benefit I have found so far, in that your batteries last longer and work better with solar charging. Cheers
Have you done any modding to the fan case & blades on anyone of your fans? bringing the size of the entire thing down to the coils & enough of the fan to touch-start it? Or do you need the whole case & blades?
I have done 4 of these fans, I found the cpu fan was the best, i tried my 3 power supply fans and the did not work very well at all. I have not played with this much as I have moved on to Solid State bedini, and next is the joule thief circuit. I would if I was to play again goto the new magnetic bearing fans they sell on ebay for $10.00 Those greatly intrigue me.
Ok i understand now it is more out than in but whats the catch why dont people build these to sell electric back to the power companies? or why cant these circuts self perpetuate with the flip of a switch? theres gotta be a catch im missing here?
I myself have not achieved OU. However,, the amount of energy in the batteries is slowly growing, the real magic is in the chemical change in the batteries themselves. If you can take 1 battery and charge 2, you have OU. slowly, slowly, I am thinking this may be possible.... The catch is it takes a GREAT deal of patience to do this the right way, batteries, most are not willing to wait that long.. The other catch is Bedini, and Bearden and just plain hard to understand.
This is one of about 5 projects I have setup. I have been giving priority to my golf cart batteries. I have fed the fan from 12V to 20V dc and rotates at 5,000 - 7200 RPM. The output I do not know as i have not played with this much, I am now working with a 300V transistor. Thanks for your comment. I might get back to this....
A few pointers for your scope: Try to always use both scope channels at the same time. It is always interesting to see the timing of one waveform compared to another on the display. Two waveforms give you not twice the information, they give you 10 times the information.
The most important thing to understand how to use is the trigger. You can set the trigger voltage threshold. You can trigger on a falling waveform, a rising waveform, and you probably have a separate external trigger.
When you get handy with the scope, you can put a scope probe almost anywhere in your circuit and trigger on the voltage waveform. You just have to decide what the trigger voltage is going to be and if you want a rising or a falling trigger.
You can also finally get to see the current flow at almost any point in your circuit. That's the Holy Grail, because as I have mentioned dozens of times, digital multimeters are hopelessly incapable of measuring pulsing current waveforms. Everybody knows what the scrambled brains multimeter display looks like. Switching to an analog ampere meter is a huge improvement over a digital multimeter, but they still must have limitations relating to frequency response.
So, to allow your oscilloscope to display current waveforms instead of voltage waveforms you simply put a 1-ohm resistor in series in any point in your circuit and then measure the voltage across the 1-ohm resistor. This will tell you the current magnitude as well as the current direction, which is totally overwhelmingly awesome for anybody wondering if their battery is charging or discharging.
The key thing is that with a 1-ohm resistor, it typically is so low in value that it does not "disturb" the operation of your circuit. If there is a 500-ohm resistor going to the transisor base input, adding the 1-ohm current sensing resistor will not affect the operation of the circuit.
Here is an example of all of this in action: Put Channel A of the scope between ground and the pick-up coil. Trigger on the rising edge of the pick-up coil waveform.
It is "nicer" to trigger on the rising edge of the pick-up coil waveform because you don't want the load of the scope probe to "disturb" the back EMF spike from the firing coil, even though the scope probe load is very very low.
Anyway, once you have your trigger set up on Channel A, use Channel B to look at voltage and current waveforms anywhere else in the circuit.
You can look at the current at the source battery, and you should see a pulse of current going out of the battery that is the same width as the transistor "on" time.
When you look at the current at the target charging battery, you will see a spike of current going into the battery when the transistor switches off and the firing coil discharges. Then if you look at the voltage at the charging battery, you will notice there is no big voltage spike, perhaps just a small voltage blip.
Perhaps one of the more unusual things to look at would be the source battery voltage waveform for fully charged vs. nearly discharged.
When the battery is fully charged and the Bedini motor is running you should see just a small ripple in the battery voltage. The ripples are small voltage drops when the transistor switches on.
When nearly fully discharged you should see a much larger ripple in the battery output voltage waveform. It relates back to the output impedance of the battery.
Hi there, if I understand you bypassed the fan motor circuitry and used your SSG transistor firing circuit, with two of the coils being pick-up coils and two of the coils being driving coils. Did you also recover the back EMF from the driving coils?
If all this is true I find it interesting that a very small coil could trigger the firing circuit. I have always had a hunch that when you do a full bifilar coil winding, the pick-up coil is much bigger than it really needs to be.
Like for example if you have a bifilar coil instead of winding each wire a full 500 turns, perhaps a pick-up winding of 50 turns and a power winding of 500 turns would do just as good a job.
If the pick-up coils was wound on the inside diameter of the spool only then it would also cut less magnetic flux, picking up less energy. The idea being that there is no point to burn excess energy in the transistor firing circuit if you don't need it.
This all ties into a concept that can be difficult for some to visualize and understand: The number of turns in any coil that is picking up energy (pick-up coil for the transistor circuit or a power pick-up coil) is nearly insignificant in comparison to the physical dimensions of the coil.
In other words, a coil of 20 turns and a coil of 200 turns that are the same size will generate the same amount of output energy when a moving magnet flies by.
Yes this is correct, I am using two of the coils as trigger, and I am not using the board that was use originally. And I sometimes add a choke to the trigger coil if i want to draw less amps.
Thank you very much for filling in some of the gaps that i was not able to cover in my original videos. EXCELLENT WORK! Boy that bad boy Zzzooommss! 5 stars!
seem like you could put magnet on the blade and coils aound the outside and pick up more energy, seeing how now it's just being wasted in wind.....also, is there any way that once it starts going you could just pulse run one coil per revolution, and charge three coils to a capasitor in that same revolution.
There is a permanent magnet inside the fan that is being pulsed. It turns at 6,000 RPM. The idea of putting a magnet on the rotor was done by a friend of mine... I don't know the results... Thanks for your ideas... ! :)
Hello Mart,
How did it go with your battery packs?
By now I have replicated the Bedini fan and it works well but I would like the fan to turn the other direction. How can that be done, just swapping the wrap ends and the beginnings like TC becomes PC?
Thank you for your help..:)
Joebundy 2 years ago
@Joebundy Hi, The batteries gained about 10 amp hours at least the two that I had continual cycling on. I am not sure about the direction of the fan swapping power coil, then you may have to swap the trigger coil again for it to work ( not sure ).
marthale7 2 years ago
Hello,
Thank you for your reply, sounds good with your power packs, I found it works well when you just use then, discharge, then cold recharge.
I have build a couple of those fans by now, a small one and an 8" one, the big one turns either way but I am not too excited about the output, maybe needs some tweaking but from I learned about it, it should be possible to build a big motor, with stator and magnets and then the sky is the limit....
Joebundy 2 years ago
Thousand words and pictures but no one can show us a simple circuit diagram of this setup. Why? ;-)
WattSekunde 2 years ago
@WattSekunde You have not looked at my other videos where I have built the circuit from scratch one part at a time. Many excellent web pages out on how to build the bedini.
marthale7 2 years ago
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@WattSekunde "Thousand words and pictures but no one can show us a simple circuit diagram of this setup. Why? ;-)"
I just watched a mere 3 and got a full circuit diagram in one of them. Why didn't you ?
quintaldo 1 year ago
all this trouble to save energy just use batteries
MacsCanfly 2 years ago
why don't you use all coils and power it with "wind"?
wragabrr 2 years ago
★★★★
MoniesMusicMan 2 years ago
Thank you for your reply..
CarolinaCrisp 2 years ago
I still don't understand just what this thing does... I mean. What is it built for.. Its cool and all,. But what is the purpose. What is the function, Like how could I use this in an everyday life,. What does it do for me.. Could this be tagged onto my wind turbine set up and charge while using something else. I mean I am lost here. I just don't get what's going on. PLEASE explain. Cause I was brought up thinking that ENERGY can neither be created nor destroyed, S
CarolinaCrisp 2 years ago
What this can do is recover about 40% to 80% of the energy you use to run the fan into a second battery I have found from my experiments. Practically, where you can use this is to desulfate a the second battery as it puts out a large pulsed DC charge to the second battery. Thus giving more life to the battery you charge. Thus you could create a battery bank from old discarded batteries in a few months time. I have not proved extra energy, only an very efficient use of it.
marthale7 2 years ago
lets say your motor setup draws 100 watts and 50 watts are being sent to another battery charging.
the truth is that your main battery is sending 50 watts to run the motor and the other 50 to charge up the second battery using the motor as a medium for the power transfer.
this is silly at best.
werrycoolnick 2 years ago
@ werrycoolnick I guess a test to prove out your idea would be to take a battery and run it down with just the load of the fan then take the second battery and run it down as well. Then compare that setup time to if you use the secondary battery. The main I have found so far on this setup is it desulfates the battery this is the greatest benefit I have found so far, in that your batteries last longer and work better with solar charging. Cheers
marthale7 2 years ago
Have you done any modding to the fan case & blades on anyone of your fans? bringing the size of the entire thing down to the coils & enough of the fan to touch-start it? Or do you need the whole case & blades?
DaisLost 3 years ago
Hi Dais,
I have done 4 of these fans, I found the cpu fan was the best, i tried my 3 power supply fans and the did not work very well at all. I have not played with this much as I have moved on to Solid State bedini, and next is the joule thief circuit. I would if I was to play again goto the new magnetic bearing fans they sell on ebay for $10.00 Those greatly intrigue me.
marthale7 3 years ago
have you installed any of these in your computer case for cooling?
Just a thought. ( to go back to it's original intention with a spin.. no pun intended. )
ok I'm a geek I know..
RobertMattocks 2 years ago
Impossibile determinare la vericidità del video.
I video di Bedini sono sempre un ammasso di fili, batterie e strumenti messi appositamente sul tavolo per fare confusione.
mauro0437 3 years ago
can you please show us also how to connect the electronic parts step by step. I'm almost right on, but missing some connections. Thanks a million.
ifind2com 3 years ago
Look up Bedini SSG here on Youtube. It is the same circuit, there are several how to videos on how to build it.
marthale7 3 years ago
what site did u get this from
broseph4818 3 years ago
Im still kind of in the dark what is the bendini deal? overunity? more out than in?
digitalenigma00 3 years ago
Ok i understand now it is more out than in but whats the catch why dont people build these to sell electric back to the power companies? or why cant these circuts self perpetuate with the flip of a switch? theres gotta be a catch im missing here?
digitalenigma00 3 years ago
Hi,
I myself have not achieved OU. However,, the amount of energy in the batteries is slowly growing, the real magic is in the chemical change in the batteries themselves. If you can take 1 battery and charge 2, you have OU. slowly, slowly, I am thinking this may be possible.... The catch is it takes a GREAT deal of patience to do this the right way, batteries, most are not willing to wait that long.. The other catch is Bedini, and Bearden and just plain hard to understand.
marthale7 3 years ago
Hi
Almost perfect replication of the imhotep's setup ! Congrats...
I wish to know what measurements have you done on it. Like the input volt/amp and output (discarding that of the fan itself) Thanks...
OmegaThe1 3 years ago 2
This is one of about 5 projects I have setup. I have been giving priority to my golf cart batteries. I have fed the fan from 12V to 20V dc and rotates at 5,000 - 7200 RPM. The output I do not know as i have not played with this much, I am now working with a 300V transistor. Thanks for your comment. I might get back to this....
marthale7 3 years ago
A few pointers for your scope: Try to always use both scope channels at the same time. It is always interesting to see the timing of one waveform compared to another on the display. Two waveforms give you not twice the information, they give you 10 times the information.
The most important thing to understand how to use is the trigger. You can set the trigger voltage threshold. You can trigger on a falling waveform, a rising waveform, and you probably have a separate external trigger.
Drevtoobe 3 years ago
When you get handy with the scope, you can put a scope probe almost anywhere in your circuit and trigger on the voltage waveform. You just have to decide what the trigger voltage is going to be and if you want a rising or a falling trigger.
Drevtoobe 3 years ago
You can also finally get to see the current flow at almost any point in your circuit. That's the Holy Grail, because as I have mentioned dozens of times, digital multimeters are hopelessly incapable of measuring pulsing current waveforms. Everybody knows what the scrambled brains multimeter display looks like. Switching to an analog ampere meter is a huge improvement over a digital multimeter, but they still must have limitations relating to frequency response.
Drevtoobe 3 years ago
So, to allow your oscilloscope to display current waveforms instead of voltage waveforms you simply put a 1-ohm resistor in series in any point in your circuit and then measure the voltage across the 1-ohm resistor. This will tell you the current magnitude as well as the current direction, which is totally overwhelmingly awesome for anybody wondering if their battery is charging or discharging.
Drevtoobe 3 years ago
The key thing is that with a 1-ohm resistor, it typically is so low in value that it does not "disturb" the operation of your circuit. If there is a 500-ohm resistor going to the transisor base input, adding the 1-ohm current sensing resistor will not affect the operation of the circuit.
Here is an example of all of this in action: Put Channel A of the scope between ground and the pick-up coil. Trigger on the rising edge of the pick-up coil waveform.
Drevtoobe 3 years ago
It is "nicer" to trigger on the rising edge of the pick-up coil waveform because you don't want the load of the scope probe to "disturb" the back EMF spike from the firing coil, even though the scope probe load is very very low.
Anyway, once you have your trigger set up on Channel A, use Channel B to look at voltage and current waveforms anywhere else in the circuit.
Drevtoobe 3 years ago
You can look at the current at the source battery, and you should see a pulse of current going out of the battery that is the same width as the transistor "on" time.
When you look at the current at the target charging battery, you will see a spike of current going into the battery when the transistor switches off and the firing coil discharges. Then if you look at the voltage at the charging battery, you will notice there is no big voltage spike, perhaps just a small voltage blip.
Drevtoobe 3 years ago
Perhaps one of the more unusual things to look at would be the source battery voltage waveform for fully charged vs. nearly discharged.
When the battery is fully charged and the Bedini motor is running you should see just a small ripple in the battery voltage. The ripples are small voltage drops when the transistor switches on.
When nearly fully discharged you should see a much larger ripple in the battery output voltage waveform. It relates back to the output impedance of the battery.
Drevtoobe 3 years ago
Hi there, if I understand you bypassed the fan motor circuitry and used your SSG transistor firing circuit, with two of the coils being pick-up coils and two of the coils being driving coils. Did you also recover the back EMF from the driving coils?
If all this is true I find it interesting that a very small coil could trigger the firing circuit. I have always had a hunch that when you do a full bifilar coil winding, the pick-up coil is much bigger than it really needs to be.
Drevtoobe 3 years ago
Like for example if you have a bifilar coil instead of winding each wire a full 500 turns, perhaps a pick-up winding of 50 turns and a power winding of 500 turns would do just as good a job.
If the pick-up coils was wound on the inside diameter of the spool only then it would also cut less magnetic flux, picking up less energy. The idea being that there is no point to burn excess energy in the transistor firing circuit if you don't need it.
Drevtoobe 3 years ago
This all ties into a concept that can be difficult for some to visualize and understand: The number of turns in any coil that is picking up energy (pick-up coil for the transistor circuit or a power pick-up coil) is nearly insignificant in comparison to the physical dimensions of the coil.
In other words, a coil of 20 turns and a coil of 200 turns that are the same size will generate the same amount of output energy when a moving magnet flies by.
Drevtoobe 3 years ago
you are right about the 50 turns.... Perhaps we should only hook up one coil of the 4 for the trigger coil. Good idea...
marthale7 3 years ago
Yes this is correct, I am using two of the coils as trigger, and I am not using the board that was use originally. And I sometimes add a choke to the trigger coil if i want to draw less amps.
marthale7 3 years ago
That is really awesome. A little computer fan has all we need in it...
How did it run with the 12 volts though? Dont the coils have to pulse the magnets since there is no comutator?
Thanks for your video, good job.
BasementBen 3 years ago
The trigger coil is the same as in the SSG. The transistor flips on when that coil is energized. Thanks for sharing! :)
marthale7 3 years ago
Oh, I thought that you were running the fan with no circuit, now I understand that that was running with bedini. Thanks.
BasementBen 3 years ago
Thank you very much for filling in some of the gaps that i was not able to cover in my original videos. EXCELLENT WORK! Boy that bad boy Zzzooommss! 5 stars!
kojsza 3 years ago
We are a team we are a team :)
marthale7 3 years ago
We can all make a big difference together working as a team. Yes!
BasementBen 3 years ago 6
seem like you could put magnet on the blade and coils aound the outside and pick up more energy, seeing how now it's just being wasted in wind.....also, is there any way that once it starts going you could just pulse run one coil per revolution, and charge three coils to a capasitor in that same revolution.
crob227 3 years ago
There is a permanent magnet inside the fan that is being pulsed. It turns at 6,000 RPM. The idea of putting a magnet on the rotor was done by a friend of mine... I don't know the results... Thanks for your ideas... ! :)
marthale7 3 years ago