Knowledge of science is useful to a kung fu man Part 03

[trinhxuanha]

what the hell @@ Your stance in siu nim tao is totally wrong. With this stance, your emenies just push with little power and you gonna fall.

[ComicBookGo]

Why are we given a text when we can hear the guy talking? And what's with the triangles??? You can show triangle formations when the guy is just standing normal!! I can easily connect several points to form a triangle w/out wing chun stance. And what's with the nerdy narrator.

[sportmuaythai]

I've always found Chinese martial arts to be more confusing once they try to make their art scientific. The biggest flaw of this vid is trying to convince the importance of trigonometry, while nothing is said of the bio-mechanic. The Siu Nim Tau stance with the heel pointed out defies the bio-mechanic mobility. Amusingly, it depicts a girl trying to protect her ...when viewed lewdly by a man LOL.

[CheshTube]

The guy in the middle of the diagram has a girls parts! I'm sure of it!

[reuelckj]

HOLY SHIT NO, the stance is completely wrong.

[CEEJLESS]

looks like he's getting ready to do a massive fart

[ThePeopleneedhelp]

hey happeh....guess wut....layges....

[murdokul]

position looks very bad!!! not good

check real wing chun/ tsun on the web

[MCBosmans]

Horrible stance. No Wing Chun man should stand like this, honestly...

[101fobster]

The narrator is either retarded or a dick. I'm just sayin

[badboybrendan]

terrible leaning back theory , no room to move when pushed behind the limited stance ,

[matreyia]

The body does not lean back. It sinks down into the knees. You should consider re-making this video after further research.

[sahapoom1975]

It is a stupid theory.

[CAPOSHU]

...un regard différent sur la science des arts martiaux ? Regardez ceci ! :)

[Ankoku15]

Umm... thats great, I still love the triangles but the stance and the forms are totally wrong in all of your videos. Do you take this art or know someone who does?

[iseein2D]

Ving Tsun is geometry friendly! and created the pyramids! :D

[surfh3r0]

does he really think that is a good stance?

i'm just a begginner in wing chun but that stance it doesn't seem that good...

to my point of view that knees are gonna hurt really much after a little while in that pose and those shoulders are way too high, not to mention too much laid on the back... even a kid could be able to move from that pose...

[oenvin]

that's like a lot of triangles.

[rockloverdude]

I hate how he says "Kung Fu Man"....

[Machiaveli8]

Anyone with knowledge of physics would be able to tell instantly that that shitty 3D model would fall backwards instantly if leaning back like that. I hate this series and the narrator. It sounds like they had all of these sentences, threw them in a hat, picked them out, recorded each individually in the most boring tone possible, then tried to piece them back together into a triangle.

[krypekeeper]

the guy talking is SO FUCKING ANNOYING 

[bongapendo]

The other day I shit a triangle formed shit. Could that really be an accident? Could someone just accidentally shit a triangle formed shit? That seems hard to believe. Or is it more likely that wing chun and my shit is made of the same matter, namely feces?

Maybe the appropriate name should be wing chit.

[Chaos149]

@bongapendo its sounds to me that you need to see a doctor if your shits are triangles

[bongapendo]

@Chaos149

I did. He said I was suffering from Wing Chun.

[RespectWong]

hahaha completely wrong dude, while performing Siu Lim Tao (it's Lim not Nim) your back has to stay straight at a 90 degree angle with the ground, otherwise you will be unstable and will fall easly...have you actually ever practiced Wing Chun??

[keythe856]

whys that dude have a vagina??

[jbotjeph]

No wonder why Chinese people are good at math...................... they even use it in their martial arts.

[1GUNJAM1]

tanz doch gleich limbo

[MrRbcc33]

Beuler, Beuler, anyone? Wow put me to sleep already. Thanks for the efforts though

[PlzReturnArbynchief]

he keeps saying triminogogy or what ever

[mynameisstan1]

wtf goodbye sweet 5:57 min of my life i will miss you greatly

[stompySharpNpointy]

very stilted speech and makes this boring

[tquibido]

useless you are not using the center of gravity which means it is unbalance or not stable to use in the actual fight.there might be so many triangle but the stance is not stable or strong.how could you use a strong stance while you are using your energy just to make a stance.to make a good stance you should be at the center of gravity which will guide you to a relaxing mode and ready to strike at any time with out wasting your energy.That is how you use science in the real fight stance.

[poyoyoyo]

anyone else finding the way the fella talks passing off as creepy?

[TheRustingSword]

It was a she who designed the stance.

[jungleefender]

1:37 cracked me up

Nobody does wing chun with a back like that

*Note interesting genital

[kizzbluntstryke]

stance is way wrong.. you will kill yur back sittin like this and the dody takes force as well like this ... all he had to do was adjust the angle of his torso forward a lil and ...Voila!''

still cool to see 3D

[nabapoisu]

Quite okay video, but in Sil Lim Tao form, or in any form, the back must be straight.

[Acerzeon]

I hate how he talks.

[minasz]

WC has some good things, but also a lot of Shitty things. I dont believe in this stance, It doenst make you mobile and makes you vunerable to lowkicks. WC is good in close combat, but somebody with good footwork and ins and outs, could make it very difficult to this stance. So throw the triangle right out of the window and make yourself mobile by taking one leg infront (like a boxer).

[marcsl1974]

The siu nim tao stance is not the combat stance. The combat stance can be a shifted stance or one foot in front of the other. That makes you more mobile.

I practice Wing chun for years and I use the triangle stance just for practising forms. Not for sparring or fighting.

Besides this video shows the stance while the knees are too close together.

[Scrungie1]

@minasz this isnt a combat stance mate. A wing chun practitioner isnt going to actually stand like that in a fight lol.

do more research before you comment please.

[minasz]

@Scrungie1 well if this isnt for combat why is there such stance. That makes it more dumb than it allready is. I also saw WC fight in this stance. So I did research.

Like I said, if this isnt a fighting stance well than its useless and thats what i was saying.

[Scrungie1]

@minasz well... this "WC fight" you saw was either a training drill, maybe chi sao for example(look that up "chi sao"). or.. the fight was between to very bad WC practitioners or it wasnt wing chun at all.

Now just because the stance isnt used in an actual fight doesnt make it useless, it is simply a stance used to develop balance and structure. Believe it or not some things can be great for training even if they are not directly used in combat.

Try not to be so narrow minded...

[minasz]

@Scrungie1 No No Im not narrowminded, Im a Realist. This stance only works for Close Combat, when you R maybe in a bar or against a wall, then OK i believe, but saying this is the base I dont believe in cuz we dont fight like this. This stance is not only in wing chun also in Karate and Judo! and I dont need to look up what chi sao means..haha You think im really narrow minded..well you dont be so narrow minded. Just think realistic and dont believe in styles..Free yourself!

[Scrungie1]

@minasz ahh didnt we clarify its not a combat stance? I would never expose my special parts like that in a fight...

try not to go off topic by preaching "dont believe in styles" crap to me.

you are narrow minded if you cant see that just because something doesnt have an immediate practical application that its "dumb"

[jeetkunedo117]

@minasz "dont believe in styles...Free yourself!" - I believe that is a very very good statement, but when you think about it, where would we get our skill if it were not for the styles? First we must train and become part of the style, and then break away from it. We cannot break away from nothingness...

[minasz]

@jeetkunedo117 Exactly what you R saying is what I mean with dont believe in Styles. Not believe in styles, dont believe there s a chinese way, Japanese way or thai way. All ways R good, but absorb whats works for you personally and throw out what doenst work for you personally. So yes we must taste before we can say its delicious or not.

[jeetkunedo117]

@minasz ohhhhhhhhh ok sorry misunderstanding bro. In that case i agree with you

[minasz]

@jeetkunedo117 Its all good man! Peace and keep your mind and eyes alwayz open..

[jeetkunedo117]

@minasz Why flip tires, lift weights, and do circuits if you arent gonna do those things in a fight? Just because there are traditional ways of training that dont make sense to you doesnt mean they wont work or they are stupid. Not everything revolves around what you see on SPIKE TV in the cage man. Besides, it is proven that the stances in wing chun are very scientific and actually work. not because of Chi magic, or weights or ego, but because thats just how out bodies work!!!

[minasz]

@jeetkunedo117 Fitness in martial arts is very important, cuz power in a punch or power in grapplin is soo important. And I believe in real martial arts there has always been powertraining. The wing chun stance works when you R close at the opponent. But first you must be mobile or he will get you. Also being mobile means being fast in countering, defending yourself. So I say there R good things, but not all. I dont believe in styles. For every situation there s a different movement needed.

[1GUNJAM1]

now this video is just sade why do people with no knowledge of wing chung talk about wing chung

and show it rong

[super1commenter]

This is retarded! A triangle can be nearly formed everywhere! What's so special about stating that you can form triangles? And using the term "Kung Fu Man" is definitely not scientific. And the body do not lean THAT back! Retarded animation.

[TaiChiLord]

Kung fu man? Do you mean martial artist?

[dandan4575]

you disgrace wing chun quan

[Falgroate]

You guys can't take a joke

[ThatGuyFromYouTueb]

It should be pronounced more like "Chuun".

[sifurahsun]

miss-informed!!!!

[piccolo3593]

i train wing chun and i can say that it works for protect hisself but the stance in this video is bull**** we dont lean back because of the balance...

[wingchunone]

Sorry to say this video has no proof or evidence in any scientific validated argument that WC is a scientifically based "combat system". If you do not know the scientific method, please do not use it all.

Sorry also to see that the Yee Jee Kim Yeung Ma is presented in a completely wrong way as the torso should be straight and not leaning backwards. That is just wrong. I do think WC is great, but, man, you are sooo confused or misleaded... Horrible voice, by the way.

[darkchaplin9]

you have selected microsoft sam as the computers default voice....

a poor video that has produced many errors in trying include as many triangles as possible. triangles are a result of our physical form, regardless of stance, arm position or martial background

[hulkout666]

This is bullshit! First of all, the Yee Jee Kim Yeung Ma stance is a training stance, NOT a fighting stance. I hate when pseudo scientists try to read all kinds of concepts they don't understand into things. The fact that the body forms triangles is merely coincidental. A person just standing naturally also forms a triangle with his trunk and his legs. A boxer's jab will form a triangle with his shoulder, elbow, and arm. So fucking what?

[A4KUNGPOW]

i know what to whatch when i cant sleep now

[dejanoporno]

this is video totalic SHIT this is not ving tsun this retarded animation

[drugyguy]

the entire body does not lean back ward, sory but this video is kind of wrong. in siu lim tao we're suppose to have the stance with a straight body to make our spine straight from tail bone to neck ass not sticking out and not pushing the pelvic to much outward, just straight, like sitting on a bar stool. why would anyone lean back??if you get pushed you go backward no matter even if you have a horse stance!please give correct information so that people do not get wrong information. thank you

[ambucias]

wtf are you talking about !!! this is simply low horse stance, this stance is seen in a lots of traditional wushu. this stance haven't been devloped only for wing chun, and there is a lot of specifics reasons why we use this stance, and there reasons have absolutely nothing to do with triangles....

[pipi3222]

the purpouse (sorry i´m german) is the lowering of your body and the protection of your nuts.thatz what i was touht..

ps and you can fight with both hands in this position plus the fast or easy possibility to shift or turn to the side..

[Christoff87]

Also the stance has very little to with the "triangle". The triangle is more often termed a WEDGE, i.e. the arms and legs create triangle to wedge out an attack to protect the centre line.

This video is just plan rubbish and was produced by a retard who has never trained wing tsun, what a dick!

[Christoff87]

WOw this video "evidence" is all wrong!

[HyperhyperPsyCrow]

seems to me that this isn't the right stance, he looks to be leaning backward's making his punches push himself backwards rather than going thru his opponent.

[tanelkagan]

To aikifan77, it's not a question of choosing one shape over another, rather of using the most appropriate movement depending on purpose.

For example, when striking an opponent, moving in a circle (ie a hook punch) is not as quick or powerful as a direct extension of the arm, which is the quickest route with maximum acceleration.

On the other hand when diverting your opponent's energy, or evading, then a circular motion may well be more appropriate than directly resisting your opponent's force.

[tanelkagan]

There is no strengh in an imaginary line and in fact in pure strength terms, the leg would be stronger extended straight, rather than the knee being a weak point.

However, it's not entirely about strength. A straight leg is vulnerable to instant damage if struck at the knee whereas a bent leg can to a degree absorb the impact, giving maybe a split second to react and adapt.

Also a bent leg is like a spring, allowing a quick burst of movement, and also improves muscle strength in training.

[RockMagicUK]

i was told by my sifu it takes 8lb of pressure to break the human knee no matter what size you are. having your knee bent means it can absorb a massive of impact compared to a straight knee. i love wing chun

[tanelkagan]

There is *some* truth in this. Mechanically, a triangle *is* the strongest shape, on the assumption that the force is applied to one vertex, perpendicular to the opposing side.

However, in the video, you can see right from the beginning that the first "triangle" shown in the Siu Nim Tau stance is not in fact a complete triangle. It is made up of the thigh and the calf, with one vertex at the knee, but the third side is an imaginary line.

[jamewoong]

according to this video, looks like the "triangle" is that martial art and not wing chun ;) lmao

[tienhe]

lmao this is a joke ...

btw the wing chun stance he showed is wrong.

[PeteyPetePete]

This guy sure likes his Trangles!!! Remember those ones you got in a Geometry set? Maybe he didn't get one of those...at first!

[aikifan77]

I understand what he is trying to say but it works on the assumption that triangular form is good. Circles are the most powerful, natural and moveable shapes. I don't understand how triangular form would improve any martial artist.  By the way, not just an aikidoka, studied lau gar kung fu for 15 years also.

[grand1337]

brilliantly done, how true ;)

[YipManneke]

its a bit sad this video, triangles are okay to me, but are arches(roman arches are very strong) and bows not part of mathematics

[SihingAngelica]

That was the best sleep I've had in months!

[ooc4eva]

give me my 13 minutes back! (watched part 1 before)

btw: trigonometry aint modern but much older than wc

[Lovlygod]

This video said finally... nothing, but "triangle". The mother of the speaker was surely a triangle, too.

[seeyasoon52]

When you learn to punch the sandbag & have power in the stance then you lean forward your power will amplify multitudes, to prove the point stand square & have a friend push you off balance naturally you will try to grab them to keep your balance! The video has the back & pelvis straight with the toes in the knees bent opening up the Sacrum were the energy or chi flow's

[seeyasoon52]

The video is correct! When you train in the stance provided in the video (not a fighting stance) teaches the wt man to keep his head back aprrox 6 inches, giving the feeling of being off balance @ first, then with training the center line punch creates a counter balance. When someone attack's you don't always expect it.The wt man then naturally pulls his head back & the centerline punch is executed striking anything causing the imbalance..

[ambaronga]

yeh i do wt and i do believe its science based. but this is just silly. if u start with a preconcieved notion that it is scientific then try and find proof for this u will find proof. u will see it where u want to see it. yes wt is based on triangles, but those given here are quite tenous. also the sim nim tau form as u call it is not a fighting stance, it is important in training though. also yes wt man should not be leaning backward. thats really unstable and has not root for powerfull hiting

[happeh]

"but those given here are quite tenous."

I don't understand this statement. The triangles are plainly there to see in the Siu Nim Tau form. There is nothing tenuous about them.

For each human body, those triangles should have certain angles that would be the optimum angles for that body to transmit power. If the triangles did not have those optimum angles, some of the individuals power will get stuck in their body, where it can cause health problems or discomfort.

[ambaronga]

you havwe connected parts of the body with bits of air. if u wanted to give a better understanding of the stance u would have talked about abduction grabbing form the toes. the triangles are present in the wedge and there are some in the stance. but they are hardly percent traingles.

[LondonGabbaSquat]

@happeh

If I stood leaning backwards like that when doing wing chun I'd probably get health problems and feel discomfort!

You've got to think of the center of gravity ... if you lean back like that your center of gravity will not be directly over your feet like it should be for a strong stance.

As I posted on another one of your vids - no matter what position you put your arm or legs, providing they are not in a dead stright line, they will make a triangle!

[sloppymantis]

@ambaronga I really enjoy happeh's approach to the science of boxing, but the only thing I would have to say is the leaning back would not be helpful unless perhaps you were absorbing force from the back (ie. to form the rest of the triangle) Also i have seen some old schoolers that lean back a bit, but after years of this they cause damage to the lumbar vertebrae since the angle doesnt allow flowing energy to go to the legs but gets jammed up in the lumbar region.

[heedup]

@ambaronga anatomy

[lesvoskwoon]

geometry and physics, the projection of forces and planes is indeed an aspect of wing chun. The vectors of force can help someone understand the application of power, yet there are other more simple ways.

A correction: The body does not lean neither forward nor backwards in wing chun, it stays straight so that the spine is a straight line.

The model should have its shoulders in line with the pelvis.

A good job, take care, be well.

[happeh]

"The body does not lean neither forward nor backwards in wing chun, it stays straight so that the spine is a straight line."

I would agree with that statement to a point. People are different. Westerners do not have the same body development as Easterners usually. For Westerners, telling them to lean back can help them learn something that Easterners grow up with, and in my opinion, take for granted.

[andreigggg]

Hello

Siu Nim Tau is the first form, yes, but the stance is called Yee Jee Kim Yeung Ma.

[tillerbear]

Pseudo science is useful to help con people into taking Wing Chun Classes.

[xaznp4r4d1s3]

crazy ass nigguh