Got to remember the most important rule of skydiving! PULL YOUR CHUTE! LOL! same thing happened to me! I was having so much fun that I forgot my Altitude Awareness!
I read somewhere after the student pulls, the main side instructor should let go else the burble caused my the 2 instructors can cause a pilot chute in tow?
@MarkyMarkSaffa In this case the main side had to pull for him so there was no time to get out of the way anyway. A pc in tow isn't that big of a deal with the intructors there to pull it out like they did in the video.
@Khekkie I have 33 jumps at this point and already had a delay on the main bag but it opened by it self after a few seconds...What is the best procedure if we are alone and this happens?
@brunoluznunes If main bag is out but no canopy just cutaway theres not much you can do about that. If PC is in tow (caught in your burble) vigorously look back at it in an effort to change the air 2 or three times. If that doesnt work you will have to pull reserve, no cutaway. Ask an instructor if you are unsure about anything especially in the malfunctions area. They can give you visuals, thorough walkthroughs, etc. They should have already
Even after they pulled the pin the pilot chute still wouldnt extract the bag. hmmm. Make you think they were using a collapsible p-chute and it wasnt cocked.
Can't imagine what would go through a persons mind if they pulled their rip cord and nothing happened. I've read about how safe it is, but my second cousin was killed skydiving. Wish I knew the specifics of it but I don't. All I know is he went skydiving, and it killed him. I'm really interested in it, but I've got reservations...
If you want to try skydiving, go for it! This video shows that these kind of malfunctions can be solved easily. The instructors reacted the right way, you have 2 instr. with you on your first 3 AFF jumps who will assist you. Before that you learn about the different possible malfunctions and how to react if something happens like that, and you will be drilled executing your emergency procedures over and over again. You can still decide to not jump after the ground school in case of doubts...
Yeah i know it worked out just fine, almost a non-issue in this video, but what if you're past your first 3 jumps and you have no one with you when it occurs? Is it easy to just manually pull out the chute yourself the way the instructors did?
The recommended way to deal with a pilot chute in tow malfunction is to either cut away and deploy your reserve, or to deploy your reserve immediately (USPA SIM Section 5.1). Both procedures have pros and cons.
However, it is a high-speed malfunction so trying to pull out the bag by reaching for your bridle on your back could be very dangerous as you lose valuable time and altitude wile trying it.
However it is possible as proven by some videos here on youtube.
Olegred, if your question is serious and if you are a skydiver you should really consider to stop skydiving and to play golf or something similar... As noted in my comment, this was a citation out of the official USPA Skydiver's Information Manual and both options are the recommended way to deal with a Pilot Chute in Tow malfunction. In my opinion there are 2 good reasons to cut away: 1) When the reserve deploys there is a good chance that the main will come out as well due to the opening shock.
2) It is probably faster to keep to your standard emergency procedures instead of trying to find out what exactly goes wrong, you will probably not be able to see what exactly is happening with the pilot chute on or over your back. It is a high speed malfunction so the time is very limited, do the math yourself if you deploy at 1200meters, you are losing about 100 meters altitude every 2 seconds, it probably takes 3-4 seconds until you even notice that something is going wrong...
But as I said in my post, and as written in the USPA SIM both options have pros and cons, you have to decide what to do in case of a pilot chute in tow malfunction before your jump, there is for sure not enough time to think about it in freefall. Read the SIM, think about it and ask your instructor or S&TA on your DZ for advice.
dude, if it takes you 4 seconds to find out that your main is not opening you should not skydive. High speed mal, and main is not out, pull reserve immediately. Well, you should pull cutaway handle too, but it's prophylactic more than anything.
Who are you to be smarter than the guys working out these emergency procedures with the collected experience of thousands of jumps, malfunctions and tests?!
Please stop posting your opinion on how to deal with a malfunction on the internet where everybody can read it, leave this to the instructors who are qualified and have the experience for giving their proper advice!
Oh and to make that clear, it will for sure take you at least 4 seconds to know what is going wrong. Without going into the details on how to deploy your main:
1-2 seconds until you should feel the main deploying.
1-2 seconds to look over your shoulder if it's not (this could also help a PC in the burble to come free).
Imagine the PC is in the burble, you pull the reserve without knowing what's going on and you didn't cut away: 2 canopies out, or the worst would be a main-reserve entanglement.
You're right, but where I live it's winter now and all DZ are currently closed... Did my last jump in sunny Spain a few weeks ago but I need to wait until February or March now... that really sucks... :(
Can someone with experience explain exactly what causes a parachute to simply not open on its own like that? As much fun as skydiving looks, things like this make me second guess trying it out.
As already commented by katyu16 the instructor threw the pilot chute into the burble, this could cause that the PC is not able to inflate and unable to pull the bag out of the container...
The other possibility is that the rig was equipped with a collapsible PC, and the PC has not been cocked when packed, but this is most unlikely because student rig's are usually not equipped with collapsible PC...
Same thing happened to me on my very first AFF (instructor pulled the chute out of the bag). At least I managed to pull the rip cord myself. Student rigs give me pause...
If you stick you head out the window of a fast moving car you will feel like you are going to suffocate, because the air pressure out of the window will be lower than that inside the car , this is due to effect of fast air flow. Therefore it seems difficult to draw a breath. However when skydiving, both your head and chest are experiencing the same air pressure; there is no difficulty breathing whatsoever, in fact breathing is the last thing you think about when you are skydiving!
will someone please enlighten me, why is it when say , u jump off a building with no chute, like to commit suicide or somethign that u suffocate before u hit the ground, but when u skydive, u dont suffocate? is it because of your body positioning or something?
Yea, that's completely false. I've jumped off buildings, bridges, cliffs and never had any problems breathing. I even heard the one that you would suffocate, falling through clouds. I would have been dead a long time ago if that were true.
Please...someone enlighten me. Why is the average American as dumb as a rock?
How could someone suffocate? Think about someone driving a race car or flying an open cockpit bi-plane. Do they suffocate at those speeds? What a fucking idiot! Lol.
What took the pilot chute so long to deploy? It almost looked like it was not inflated. Did the main parachute open fully? I have a lot of respect for you AFF instructors; I have filmed a few AFF students that had their lives saved by a good instructor. Nice work!
Looks like too short a bridle. The burble extends atleast six feet above the jumper. HIgher, with two other jumpers on either side. But they keep the bridle short to lessen the chance of entaglement with an unstable student. Get the training over with and buy safe gear!
Excellent video and well done for finishing the course because that would certainly of put me off.............I prefer a wing always fully inflated above me!
nice work guys. thats what we are trained to do. job well done.
skygodsplatman 7 months ago
weird song for a jump :)
Misdirecting 8 months ago
What actually happened? Was the pilot chute damaged or pin couldn't get out?
woodydrn2 9 months ago
@woodydrn2 From the looks of it, I'd say the pilot chute pulled a streamer and didn't inflate. That's why they pulled the chute out manually.
OneSkiWonder 9 months ago
Got to remember the most important rule of skydiving! PULL YOUR CHUTE! LOL! same thing happened to me! I was having so much fun that I forgot my Altitude Awareness!
mrsquirtsalot 1 year ago
I read somewhere after the student pulls, the main side instructor should let go else the burble caused my the 2 instructors can cause a pilot chute in tow?
MarkyMarkSaffa 1 year ago
@MarkyMarkSaffa In this case the main side had to pull for him so there was no time to get out of the way anyway. A pc in tow isn't that big of a deal with the intructors there to pull it out like they did in the video.
Khekkie 1 year ago
@Khekkie I have 33 jumps at this point and already had a delay on the main bag but it opened by it self after a few seconds...What is the best procedure if we are alone and this happens?
brunoluznunes 7 months ago
@brunoluznunes If main bag is out but no canopy just cutaway theres not much you can do about that. If PC is in tow (caught in your burble) vigorously look back at it in an effort to change the air 2 or three times. If that doesnt work you will have to pull reserve, no cutaway. Ask an instructor if you are unsure about anything especially in the malfunctions area. They can give you visuals, thorough walkthroughs, etc. They should have already
Khekkie 7 months ago
Pilot chute in tow!
keeponwishin 1 year ago
Student rig: one size fits none... Looked like he could barely reach the PVC handle. Plus, incorrectly routed bridal?
neomuttley 1 year ago
Hah ha - Beers for the AFF instructors.
AOXOMOXO 1 year ago
thats why the instructors are there!
M1sd1rect10n 2 years ago 6
Even after they pulled the pin the pilot chute still wouldnt extract the bag. hmmm. Make you think they were using a collapsible p-chute and it wasnt cocked.
98cowboy 2 years ago
Can't imagine what would go through a persons mind if they pulled their rip cord and nothing happened. I've read about how safe it is, but my second cousin was killed skydiving. Wish I knew the specifics of it but I don't. All I know is he went skydiving, and it killed him. I'm really interested in it, but I've got reservations...
yevinketman 2 years ago
If you want to try skydiving, go for it! This video shows that these kind of malfunctions can be solved easily. The instructors reacted the right way, you have 2 instr. with you on your first 3 AFF jumps who will assist you. Before that you learn about the different possible malfunctions and how to react if something happens like that, and you will be drilled executing your emergency procedures over and over again. You can still decide to not jump after the ground school in case of doubts...
yranib1 2 years ago 2
Yeah i know it worked out just fine, almost a non-issue in this video, but what if you're past your first 3 jumps and you have no one with you when it occurs? Is it easy to just manually pull out the chute yourself the way the instructors did?
yevinketman 2 years ago
The recommended way to deal with a pilot chute in tow malfunction is to either cut away and deploy your reserve, or to deploy your reserve immediately (USPA SIM Section 5.1). Both procedures have pros and cons.
However, it is a high-speed malfunction so trying to pull out the bag by reaching for your bridle on your back could be very dangerous as you lose valuable time and altitude wile trying it.
However it is possible as proven by some videos here on youtube.
yranib1 2 years ago 2
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what are you gonna cut away, stupid? main is not out.
Olegred 2 years ago
Olegred, if your question is serious and if you are a skydiver you should really consider to stop skydiving and to play golf or something similar... As noted in my comment, this was a citation out of the official USPA Skydiver's Information Manual and both options are the recommended way to deal with a Pilot Chute in Tow malfunction. In my opinion there are 2 good reasons to cut away: 1) When the reserve deploys there is a good chance that the main will come out as well due to the opening shock.
yranib1 2 years ago 3
2) It is probably faster to keep to your standard emergency procedures instead of trying to find out what exactly goes wrong, you will probably not be able to see what exactly is happening with the pilot chute on or over your back. It is a high speed malfunction so the time is very limited, do the math yourself if you deploy at 1200meters, you are losing about 100 meters altitude every 2 seconds, it probably takes 3-4 seconds until you even notice that something is going wrong...
yranib1 2 years ago 2
But as I said in my post, and as written in the USPA SIM both options have pros and cons, you have to decide what to do in case of a pilot chute in tow malfunction before your jump, there is for sure not enough time to think about it in freefall. Read the SIM, think about it and ask your instructor or S&TA on your DZ for advice.
Oh, and thanks for calling me stupid Olegred.
yranib1 2 years ago
@yranib1 Nevermind him...I suspect they do it differently in Russia, or whatever.
AOXOMOXO 1 year ago
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@yranib1
dude, if it takes you 4 seconds to find out that your main is not opening you should not skydive. High speed mal, and main is not out, pull reserve immediately. Well, you should pull cutaway handle too, but it's prophylactic more than anything.
Olegred 2 years ago
Who are you to be smarter than the guys working out these emergency procedures with the collected experience of thousands of jumps, malfunctions and tests?!
Please stop posting your opinion on how to deal with a malfunction on the internet where everybody can read it, leave this to the instructors who are qualified and have the experience for giving their proper advice!
yranib1 2 years ago 2
Oh and to make that clear, it will for sure take you at least 4 seconds to know what is going wrong. Without going into the details on how to deploy your main:
1-2 seconds until you should feel the main deploying.
1-2 seconds to look over your shoulder if it's not (this could also help a PC in the burble to come free).
Imagine the PC is in the burble, you pull the reserve without knowing what's going on and you didn't cut away: 2 canopies out, or the worst would be a main-reserve entanglement.
yranib1 2 years ago
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are you sure it's 2 seconds not minutes in your case?
Olegred 2 years ago
go jump instead of wasting your life with all these boring ass comments!!..stay safe:)
JoshyBallz4 2 years ago 12
@JoshyBallz4
You're right, but where I live it's winter now and all DZ are currently closed... Did my last jump in sunny Spain a few weeks ago but I need to wait until February or March now... that really sucks... :(
yranib1 2 years ago 2
sounds like it!!, Hope ya stay safe and have funnnn for future jumps!
JoshyBallz4 2 years ago 2
Agreed! :D
MattGiasson 2 years ago
Can someone with experience explain exactly what causes a parachute to simply not open on its own like that? As much fun as skydiving looks, things like this make me second guess trying it out.
yevinketman 2 years ago
I can just guess but there are 2 possibilities:
As already commented by katyu16 the instructor threw the pilot chute into the burble, this could cause that the PC is not able to inflate and unable to pull the bag out of the container...
The other possibility is that the rig was equipped with a collapsible PC, and the PC has not been cocked when packed, but this is most unlikely because student rig's are usually not equipped with collapsible PC...
yranib1 2 years ago 2
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yranib1 2 years ago
It looks like the instructor threw the pilot directly into the burble.
katyu16 2 years ago
Same thing happened to me on my very first AFF (instructor pulled the chute out of the bag). At least I managed to pull the rip cord myself. Student rigs give me pause...
rob790h 2 years ago
If you stick you head out the window of a fast moving car you will feel like you are going to suffocate, because the air pressure out of the window will be lower than that inside the car , this is due to effect of fast air flow. Therefore it seems difficult to draw a breath. However when skydiving, both your head and chest are experiencing the same air pressure; there is no difficulty breathing whatsoever, in fact breathing is the last thing you think about when you are skydiving!
tranquility65 2 years ago
will someone please enlighten me, why is it when say , u jump off a building with no chute, like to commit suicide or somethign that u suffocate before u hit the ground, but when u skydive, u dont suffocate? is it because of your body positioning or something?
jackyisthebestest 3 years ago
heh do you realize how low buildings are ? it would take 5-20 seconds to hit the ground. can you hold your breath for 20 seconds? i hope so :)
besides, you can breathe. that's just a silly myth.
doxparaxyst 3 years ago
You need to listen to a different "they". That's all hogwash.
THESPOCK 2 years ago
Yea, that's completely false. I've jumped off buildings, bridges, cliffs and never had any problems breathing. I even heard the one that you would suffocate, falling through clouds. I would have been dead a long time ago if that were true.
cameraflyer 2 years ago
Please...someone enlighten me. Why is the average American as dumb as a rock?
How could someone suffocate? Think about someone driving a race car or flying an open cockpit bi-plane. Do they suffocate at those speeds? What a fucking idiot! Lol.
surfbum5412 2 years ago
fuck off, it was just a fucking question. dicks these days...
jackyisthebestest 2 years ago
What took the pilot chute so long to deploy? It almost looked like it was not inflated. Did the main parachute open fully? I have a lot of respect for you AFF instructors; I have filmed a few AFF students that had their lives saved by a good instructor. Nice work!
Setharoo2 3 years ago
Looks like too short a bridle. The burble extends atleast six feet above the jumper. HIgher, with two other jumpers on either side. But they keep the bridle short to lessen the chance of entaglement with an unstable student. Get the training over with and buy safe gear!
cameraflyer 2 years ago
Hi Tim
Excellent video and well done for finishing the course because that would certainly of put me off.............I prefer a wing always fully inflated above me!
mamboomark 3 years ago