Lyedel is right, this is not Gothic Lolita but an avante garde/couture inspiration of it. Gothic Lolita is not just a style or look but the embodiment of something. You dont throw on frills and a mini top hat then suddenly you're a lolita. H. Naoto has a unique style.
Bue this isnt gothic lolita O_O H.naoto makes clothes for japanese punks e visual keier. Maybe baby the stars shine bright con be a Gothic Lolita brand...
it may not be your cup of tea but have you ever up effort into researching what your talking about goth lolita isn't just about dressing up as sweet little girls some times you sweet little girl wants to be a living dead doll thought i will admite that such lolitas are not considered proper lolitas.
i think the title is missleading while h.NAOTO are deffinitly a goth lolita brand they also do punk ect. look at there website, goth lolita is a japanises street fashion infulanced by visual kei icons like mana sama and its all about dressing up i find it hillarious when you say it doesn't look lotita as there are many diffiferent loltia styles just because your only familiar with goth lolita doesn't meant that there is only goth lolita
So.... let's tip a few fashion models into a grave and dig em out after they've gotten further emaciated, their hair's rotted and the clothes are in shambles from the worms and decay? Yeah... not 'lolita' in the mainstream sense of the 'Gothic Lolita' I'm aware of.
Man the music is horrible!!! Even goth clubs won't play this music lol. They could have put some EBM, Industrial, Synth, or something. Aside from that the clothes are amazing lol.
vermilionXmist your kinda wrong this is actually lolita theres 3 styles for it not just one gothic, sweet, and punk its a mix between goth and punk though but either way i like it ^^
h.Naoto is NOT NOTNOTNOTNOTNOT lolita. Period. PE-RI-OD! I LOVE him, and he's awesome and all, but NOT LOLITA for god's sake. h.Naoto is a goth/punk/visual kei designer. Moi Meme Moitie is a gothic lolita designer brand, if that's what you're looking for.
Okay not to be harsh because I like these designs but 1 32 was the ONLY Gothic Lolita. Lolitas wear more cutsey puffy frilly dresses.Unless your a gore Lolita But even then still.
Man, I love the goth's metal side and the goth looks but... for me this looks like some stick figures walking on the moon with some thorn table sheets on them... The music is like at the neighbor the radio is turned on and the cat is walking on the piano... horrible...
in my opinion i think the best models for lolita fashion are cute,not too tall,not too skinny or too chubby..but then of course this is a fashion show so they must use runway models...-.-'
i saw a lot goth style girl better than those model!!!
why they dont just use them ? those model have no idea what is really goth only dress walk and wait pay they maybe dont need to know goth first thing they need will be food
The outfits were amazing! The models, same ol, same ol, When doesn't a model look like she's about to die. Music... could have been better. Overall loved it. Better than the average fashion show. =)
the outfits look SO CRAZY BEAUTIFUL! The song does lots for the show. BUT the models sorta ruin it, only two didi a better walk and pose than the rest who jus walk towards the end of the runway and turn right away....wtf?!
I agree the music was great, however some of the models were less than perfect. I thought they were more heroin chic, and less h.NAOTO. They cheapened it a little for me. Other than that I thought the pieces were beautiful, the deconstruction was amazing and complex. I loved it :)
god! i love the clothes~~..ive found very few stored online with similar things...but most are in other laguages...does anyone know where i could find them in english?
at first i thought the models were suppose to walk like that..but then a couple walked pretty quickly, like they were rushing. i think that needs to be worked on- posing and things. the outfits were wonderful! i think the whole deal about 'extreme' is that..it's a runway, you know? most clothing that goes on runway are rather dramatic. i wouldn't have gone with the music choice, but it fit well.
actually the first two or three cloaks are pretty tight, I can pull them off wearing on the streets and not getting weird second looks. The rest of them, well, personal preference.
so far in my opinion the design is too extreme and almost all the design has a fishnet mask on it! it is true that it can express goth but sometimes you can see it's too fixed...
i just knew naoto so i didn't really see his design so forgive me if i offended you all
hmm...the song sounds kinda..."deconstructed" like the clothing. at 4:50 the clothing is...extreme.
I too, did not like how the models walked. They just walk up to a certain point (which wasnt even set for all models) do the little pose, then walk off. It lasts like less then 15 seconds....is the crowd supposed to get the gist of the outfits?
i like a lot of his style but the background song is so heavy and dark. and i feel bad that i couldn't take a holiday to go for the fashion week. it really put me in a bad bad mood. i hate ppl who dont give holiday to need a break ppl.
I don't mean to be rude, but I myself would find the clothes appealing if only if the hair and makeup wasn't all too distracting. All in all, this is some fine work. Although the line of clothing seems too mature for Gothic Lolita ^_^. I give this a 4/5
it doesn't really matter if the models were Asian or not. It only matters if they were tall enough for the audience in the back to see. It's a runway show policy.
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for petes sake....what happened to awesome visual rock hair??? and the models shouldn't be white! they should be asian, since they know how to wear platforms and they know how to walk in them! the clothes are good but...anorexic models??? they can't put on makeup right either....OMG...OMG..sry...but OMG...!
that's awful.i mean who would wanna wear those?
enniewilliams 7 months ago
@enniewilliams I would, you have a problem with that?
ninjalily13 7 months ago
@enniewilliams
MEEE ^u^
elibetvalencia1 6 months ago
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I make em as well ;)
elibetvalencia1 6 months ago
@enniewilliams I would too.Grow up,not only Valentino,Armani and so on exist in the fashion world.
SARCOSISARCOSA 3 months ago
why hasn't he designed any more outfits since 2008?? or if he has, he sure hasn't done any Fashion Shows lol
I Love His Fashion Concepts(:
TheKrazySceneGurl 1 year ago
1:28 Yes please!!!! If only I could afford it. TT^TT
fullmoonnight 1 year ago
OMG THIS MUSIC HURTS MY EARS ITS SO ANNOYING!!!!!!!
JRios270 1 year ago 5
i wish there would be more gothic videos on youtube and more guys that want to date a gothic girl
gothicdreamex88 1 year ago
i am totally into the goth lifestyle btw any guys want to meet up with a goth girl like me
GothicAngeliniaj 2 years ago
awesome, those ideas require a massive imagination!
msbrainz 2 years ago
wow this the lightest gothic show i've ever seen! (sarcasm)
impulsive2urge 2 years ago
Lyedel is right, this is not Gothic Lolita but an avante garde/couture inspiration of it. Gothic Lolita is not just a style or look but the embodiment of something. You dont throw on frills and a mini top hat then suddenly you're a lolita. H. Naoto has a unique style.
MartyredxMaiden 2 years ago 2
@MartyredxMaiden it's more gothic than lolita anyways. he has an own interpretation of his fashion and thats why he is so great!
iiCHiiMAN 2 years ago
Bue this isnt gothic lolita O_O H.naoto makes clothes for japanese punks e visual keier. Maybe baby the stars shine bright con be a Gothic Lolita brand...
Lyedel 2 years ago 9
true this was a big let down DX
themajormotokok 2 years ago
sorta of a fail at 4:54
cgl97459 2 years ago 3
CREEPY
impriz 2 years ago
awesome!! love it!
1skittlebear7 2 years ago 2
i'm moving to japan!
Desi1204 2 years ago
WOW love
xbellybonex 2 years ago
And this is why I prefer Japanese Based Designers. Thank you for posting this.
Raetheblackbarbie 2 years ago 18
and the third one.
illnevertell3 2 years ago
I'm in love with the first one. :3
illnevertell3 2 years ago 2
Out fits amazing.
Didntlike the way the models walked except after the 3 minute mark and the music gave me a head ache. Her work is beautiful the music messes with it.
barbiebang 2 years ago 4
it may not be your cup of tea but have you ever up effort into researching what your talking about goth lolita isn't just about dressing up as sweet little girls some times you sweet little girl wants to be a living dead doll thought i will admite that such lolitas are not considered proper lolitas.
kali10sama 2 years ago
i think the title is missleading while h.NAOTO are deffinitly a goth lolita brand they also do punk ect. look at there website, goth lolita is a japanises street fashion infulanced by visual kei icons like mana sama and its all about dressing up i find it hillarious when you say it doesn't look lotita as there are many diffiferent loltia styles just because your only familiar with goth lolita doesn't meant that there is only goth lolita
kali10sama 2 years ago
those look so good.
they look more like victorian gowns than lolita
kinda reminds me of sweeney todd
but eitherway i love them
anyone know what the music is btw?
awagamgnalaw 2 years ago 2
I saw none of those that were remotely Lolita.
It's more gothic victorian grunge punk-ish...
MoodyStrawberry 2 years ago
Those models werent fierce enough :P
Kawaiineko997 2 years ago 2
the last one
5:oo
she tripped lol so funny
StarPhrase 2 years ago
So.... let's tip a few fashion models into a grave and dig em out after they've gotten further emaciated, their hair's rotted and the clothes are in shambles from the worms and decay? Yeah... not 'lolita' in the mainstream sense of the 'Gothic Lolita' I'm aware of.
Nephryel 2 years ago
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What awful models D: hahaha
mo0nlynxxx 2 years ago
shut the fuck up, you ignorant bastard
YukaDeath 2 years ago
0:50; 1:18; 1:32; 3:10 are awesome.(the rest of tem is pretty too) although this is not lolita at all.
ticsilla 2 years ago
i love the music. what's the title? :D
itachilovechenren 2 years ago
1.29 = stunning.
brokendoll13 2 years ago
i lov the clothes! give them to me!
munkee09 2 years ago 2
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no offense but clothing and makeup that can scare little kids shouldnt really be something u would wear to the mall or where ever...
H0B0B0 3 years ago
Man the music is horrible!!! Even goth clubs won't play this music lol. They could have put some EBM, Industrial, Synth, or something. Aside from that the clothes are amazing lol.
Violentshock 3 years ago
the music sucks now my ears hurt
spankers1019 3 years ago
I LOVE these clothes!!!!!
xMaschine 3 years ago 2
creey music xD
terraxlocke 3 years ago 4
Eh. I am getting creeped out by the music. Lawl
Not all of this is lolita, however its all pretty cool[:
RikaxSetsuna 3 years ago 7
very nice clothes, though I would not call them all lolita.
m3rcy616 3 years ago 2
I love this clothes <3... GIVE ME!!! xD
ODarkFairyO 3 years ago 3
vermilionXmist your kinda wrong this is actually lolita theres 3 styles for it not just one gothic, sweet, and punk its a mix between goth and punk though but either way i like it ^^
vivadeisaso101 3 years ago
o.o there's more than three style of lolita and this show is not totally Lolita, some pieces were and some weren't.
RikaSama 3 years ago 2
this is so morbid, I love it!
PhabiolaMacabre 3 years ago 5
h.Naoto is NOT NOTNOTNOTNOTNOT lolita. Period. PE-RI-OD! I LOVE him, and he's awesome and all, but NOT LOLITA for god's sake. h.Naoto is a goth/punk/visual kei designer. Moi Meme Moitie is a gothic lolita designer brand, if that's what you're looking for.
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whoever designed this crap has some explaining to do, excuse me while I vomit
radon1234567 3 years ago
lol
NnyC777z 3 years ago
1: 40 was also a pretty good lolita dress
monikahavok 3 years ago
Okay not to be harsh because I like these designs but 1 32 was the ONLY Gothic Lolita. Lolitas wear more cutsey puffy frilly dresses.Unless your a gore Lolita But even then still.
monikahavok 3 years ago
I think I should get a piano...I have three cats and the chances of me making a masterpiece like this is incredible...hehehe
Opheliac666 3 years ago 2
Man, I love the goth's metal side and the goth looks but... for me this looks like some stick figures walking on the moon with some thorn table sheets on them... The music is like at the neighbor the radio is turned on and the cat is walking on the piano... horrible...
But this is only my opinion.
vampiressae 3 years ago
Genius as ever, this guy=)
darkcinderellaisabel 3 years ago 2
they were in america this year for AX I adore h.NAOTO Their very define =]]
xBreakingSmilesx 3 years ago
in my opinion i think the best models for lolita fashion are cute,not too tall,not too skinny or too chubby..but then of course this is a fashion show so they must use runway models...-.-'
xomybrokendreamxo 3 years ago 2
i saw a lot goth style girl better than those model!!!
why they dont just use them ? those model have no idea what is really goth only dress walk and wait pay they maybe dont need to know goth first thing they need will be food
gacktsama1984 3 years ago
The make-up reminds me of Beetlejuice :P
apple1455550 3 years ago
HEY ! no manchen !
eso es de verano
parece vestidos de SAUNAS !
D:
DarKinGLaiDy 3 years ago
2:06 That's hawt, I'd actually buy that :3
Cherub11235 3 years ago
1:32, now thats a fucking lolita ^^ and i luv the music by the way ...do agree with sprgirl1001, they are pretty boring for a gothic fashion show
YuriKazumaru 3 years ago
man the best one is at 3 min
deathcamp1 3 years ago
whys the music so freakin scary?!
Cozzycoo 3 years ago 3
awesome dresses!!! but what's with the music? If it meant to make me want to kill myself then it succeeded, congratz xP
Henrika16 3 years ago 3
the models are lame.. they give them not enough salad..
fashion is cool!
sprgirl1001 3 years ago
goddamn it why cant i live in Japan
leave13 3 years ago
those are amazing outfits! i like the ones: 48 1.18 1.29 2.49 the belt at 3.37 xP and gosh 4.55 :] but yes i agree the music was off putting abit. x
DarkLikeMySoul 3 years ago
ouwh.. fuck! this is so pretty cool!
thank you for uploading this. :)
PatheticWhore 3 years ago
omg 1:29 i want that dress!!!!
supasianhero 3 years ago
I love the one around 2:00
TheP1x3l 3 years ago
goth fashion is the best in the world :P <3
ODarkFairyO 3 years ago
VISUAL KEI!
NYAA!
TheP1x3l 3 years ago
love the fashion
GingerMystic 3 years ago
The outfits were amazing! The models, same ol, same ol, When doesn't a model look like she's about to die. Music... could have been better. Overall loved it. Better than the average fashion show. =)
AcidSwamp 3 years ago
Oh my. This music is horrid! very distracting =[
I love the outfit at 0:47
HypedupTeaCup 3 years ago
The outfits are so pretty; the detail is amazing. *-* But the music was really eerie, lol.
sophieye 3 years ago
I want those clothes!
SupaKawaiiKittyChan 3 years ago
Some of these models really walk to fast! -.-
Vampyrdukken 3 years ago
Beautiful detailing, wow! But that runway music is horrid!
MillionDollaMistress 3 years ago
amazing designs..
Vampyrdukken 3 years ago
1:29 it´s the best! Greetings from Mexico City!
Baraquiel62 3 years ago 2
Ehh. There's only like 4 outfits that were somewhat decent looking. Most of it looked like crap.
Sprixi 3 years ago
the outfits look SO CRAZY BEAUTIFUL! The song does lots for the show. BUT the models sorta ruin it, only two didi a better walk and pose than the rest who jus walk towards the end of the runway and turn right away....wtf?!
evanexxx136x3 3 years ago
I agree the music was great, however some of the models were less than perfect. I thought they were more heroin chic, and less h.NAOTO. They cheapened it a little for me. Other than that I thought the pieces were beautiful, the deconstruction was amazing and complex. I loved it :)
SecretElixir 3 years ago
incredible detail
but some of the models did a really poor job...
manateemeow 3 years ago
hmm, its like Corpse Bride meets the Twilight Zone. some of those outfits i'd wear tho.
Pookie7374 3 years ago
Sugoi !
tofou8 3 years ago
the make up is even more extreme than the real Gothic!
cafechijouji 3 years ago
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holy shit...They need to go die...goths are weird freks!
canesfan100 3 years ago
ugh!
the music is so annoying!
{{SCREECH}}
chobiv7 3 years ago
are all these people REAL models? -raise one eyebrow-
cherubickah 3 years ago
the cloths is very beautyful and coll but the song so horrible**
cyzhang 3 years ago
nothing but some music to set the atmosphere i say.=] haha the music is so errie DX
llghtlove 3 years ago
wow they imported models or something
InoMoshpit 3 years ago
The clothes kinda remind me of the pirat style.
Pretty awesome :D
LoriAnnex 3 years ago
Very awesome and different! The model in 3:14 did'nt seem very zombie-like like the others though.
Kingyo06 3 years ago
I didn't see anything with gothic lolita LOL.
I think it's street fashion inspired.
KazunoCamui 3 years ago
Everything is so embellished, beautiful in an interesting way.
glittervertigo 3 years ago
Everything was so beutiful, but the music kinda scared me ;DD
HaTe616 3 years ago 5
i think i was just hypnotised by the music...lol! wicked clothes though
mexxkeeley 3 years ago
I like the black/white white/black clothing.
Still,Everything was beautiful.
OddSeuss 3 years ago
god! i love the clothes~~..ive found very few stored online with similar things...but most are in other laguages...does anyone know where i could find them in english?
blooodsaddiction 3 years ago
they sell the outfits. I've seen them in my KERA and KERA maniac and gothic&lolita bibles.
azulboi0303 3 years ago
Gotta love those outfits!
RE4RamonSalazarfan 3 years ago 2
at first i thought the models were suppose to walk like that..but then a couple walked pretty quickly, like they were rushing. i think that needs to be worked on- posing and things. the outfits were wonderful! i think the whole deal about 'extreme' is that..it's a runway, you know? most clothing that goes on runway are rather dramatic. i wouldn't have gone with the music choice, but it fit well.
Dirxenxgrey 3 years ago
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i think gothic clothes only look good on japanese
HelloKTanna 3 years ago
lulllsss.
Dirxenxgrey 3 years ago
1:26 is the best one. ^^
GaaraShukaku247 3 years ago 6
Yes I really like that one too.
poodleears 3 years ago 3
The music definately adds to the spooky factor.
snogmyarse2890 3 years ago
I love the fashion here, so unique and not typical "gothic" style.
The only thing is the music.
I think I would have had a headache physically being there.
Mystsylph 3 years ago 2
scary, elegant and gorgeous at the same time, love it!!!
mo889 3 years ago 4
it must take a long time to put those outfits on backstage dont you think? theyve got to have quite a few models im guessing.
FishScratchFever00 3 years ago 2
I only prefer Goth Lolita with cute emo face and long hair....
Nothing wrong with their clothes but the hair is really scary~~
Nekorigamichan 3 years ago
well they deffanatly do the makup so u wanna look at the clothes .. I would were about 60% of these outfits
iprettymuchRock1234 3 years ago 2
actually the first two or three cloaks are pretty tight, I can pull them off wearing on the streets and not getting weird second looks. The rest of them, well, personal preference.
sam0318 3 years ago
I freak walk 08
Cruzinon22s 3 years ago
AWESOME!!!!!!
terribd 3 years ago 2
NICE
mwHDAmw 3 years ago 3
kind of futuristic renaissance...cool
darksomehandsome 3 years ago
omg did the model almost trip in 4:53_4:54??
lol...
so far in my opinion the design is too extreme and almost all the design has a fishnet mask on it! it is true that it can express goth but sometimes you can see it's too fixed...
i just knew naoto so i didn't really see his design so forgive me if i offended you all
nobody910 3 years ago
Yeah she stepped on her dress accidently and almost fell ^^"
I liked the collection, some outfits were really awesome!
EtoileoO 3 years ago
really?? so you saying you prefer this goth than gothic aristrocrat? ^^
i gotta learn to love this...
nobody910 3 years ago 2
I would wear any of em haha :)
vampirechick177 3 years ago
love it
leave13 3 years ago
I LOVED outfit 4:50
ticklemepinke 3 years ago
My god I want like ALL of those clothes!
kaiokomoninja 3 years ago
beachmaiden I agree with you ^^
PlayerAngelasim 3 years ago
awesome
xooan 3 years ago
The song is interesting; beautiful and deadly
I love outfit 1:17
xevilduckiex 3 years ago
I love them all, Naoto is my favourite fashion designer
ToraKo9 3 years ago
hmm...the song sounds kinda..."deconstructed" like the clothing. at 4:50 the clothing is...extreme.
I too, did not like how the models walked. They just walk up to a certain point (which wasnt even set for all models) do the little pose, then walk off. It lasts like less then 15 seconds....is the crowd supposed to get the gist of the outfits?
angelofdeath275 3 years ago
Are awesome
0:00
0:25
3:28
ThatKiddoMike 3 years ago
the outfit at 2:59 is rad. WOW
frostgothic 3 years ago
the outfit at 1:31 is amazing i love it
zara4vap 3 years ago
i love h.naoto : D
thecityisatwarbabyy 3 years ago
The song could be darker, but the collection was okay. None of the models knew how to walk though, except at the end when they all came out.
stealthis 3 years ago
nice collection but a bit predictable and heavy.
Beachmaiden 3 years ago
its ja great song ... i wish i could have it on cd
zsamy 3 years ago
I find the song.. distracting..
secertaffair 3 years ago
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This thing sucks fucking balls
23Kakashi23 3 years ago
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This thing sucks fucking balls
23Kakashi23 3 years ago
which band play this amazing song??????????please,somebody answer!!!!!
stavrospb 3 years ago
i like a lot of his style but the background song is so heavy and dark. and i feel bad that i couldn't take a holiday to go for the fashion week. it really put me in a bad bad mood. i hate ppl who dont give holiday to need a break ppl.
FoQil 3 years ago
I'm sure they'll be heart broken to hear it.
Djinn59 3 years ago
i didnt like most of them
AnaMurida 3 years ago
well in most fashion shows..
its just unbelievable. -___-;;;
secertaffair 3 years ago
haahaa i want to know the songs name :P
i love gothic style
XxSonjaOliviaxX 3 years ago
I love this style but I hate this song
lupinmagic 3 years ago
h.NAOTO is one of my favorite designers...
Animedancer87 3 years ago
waou !!!
eliumbra 4 years ago
Really Beautifull o_o it's like... Heaven o.o
IkaSoup 4 years ago
love the jeans!!!and1:33 and 1:43 4:43 and the SHOES!! 5/5^_^
mouse842 4 years ago
Please.... let them eat!!!
PrincessMerykara 4 years ago 4
the song scare me a little =s
hersheyxox003 4 years ago
You're not dead! But you will be if you don't EAT SOMETHING!
uziyahuidf 4 years ago
the poor dear in the gown almost tripped
tandra18 4 years ago
they walk so slow
gabbymeetthepress 4 years ago 2
sorry is in the minute 4.54 not the 1.54 as i said. chek it
Absorbed666 4 years ago
hahaha in the minute 1.54 one of the models almost falls beacause the dress shes wearing is to long
Absorbed666 4 years ago
I don't mean to be rude, but I myself would find the clothes appealing if only if the hair and makeup wasn't all too distracting. All in all, this is some fine work. Although the line of clothing seems too mature for Gothic Lolita ^_^. I give this a 4/5
JifusamadixcroiX 4 years ago
Ooh, I like the one at 1:29! And 2:51! But some of them...I don't know how they waked, w/ all that on their heads! Or the boots!
troublesome67 4 years ago
yeeah the on at 1:29 is great!
zsamy 4 years ago
i would so get one of these t shirts that were shown at da last part
nicole20092002 4 years ago
j'adore quand la femme avec la robe se prend les pieds dedans! ^^
mystique59 4 years ago
I've been trying to find examples of good ero-loita. I'm so glad I ran into this video.
KawaiiRini 4 years ago
this is brilliant.
i enjoyed watching this.
viciouswindupdoll 4 years ago
the fashion was divine
Blackcat95 4 years ago
The clothes, otherwise looking rather cute, look overly scary when being worn by those models.
Lucy7 4 years ago
Awesome!
And I think the walking was part of the overall horror-ish look. But the models would have been better if they were Asian, I think.
sohvichu 4 years ago
it doesn't really matter if the models were Asian or not. It only matters if they were tall enough for the audience in the back to see. It's a runway show policy.
KawaiiRini 4 years ago
nonono no mrrry.. i dont like the merrys..(emily's add) @_@
awh .. soo nice dress... <3..hehe
Lumeril 4 years ago
i love h.naoto
but this is
CREEEEPY
i hate the way they have there hair, it should be down, the models look like zombies x_x
Elricestlover 4 years ago
heaven forbid they look like zombies right?(sarcasm)
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for petes sake....what happened to awesome visual rock hair??? and the models shouldn't be white! they should be asian, since they know how to wear platforms and they know how to walk in them! the clothes are good but...anorexic models??? they can't put on makeup right either....OMG...OMG..sry...but OMG...!
KuroixNamida 4 years ago
Appreciate fashion, not Japanese stereotypes.
Okay, enough said, thanks.
pliterallyh 4 years ago 8