I can take a wild guess why F22 is about to become scrap.
Warfare to, what do you call it? ADAPTING to situation. F35 is what THEY want now.
Not enough F22s made anyways but to hold off enough enemy due to high amount of jets around probably for a decent airforce to put up a fight. Ya I like F35 for new generation jet too due to VTOL. Thats the only reason I like F35 is the VTOL.
THE NEW ERA IN AVIATION STARTED in ISRAEL with 1st-EVER flight of Stealth, Tailless 3D Vectoring [STV]. (5/18/1987 Av. Week). Facebook video ["Benjamin Gal-Or"] explains Super-Kill-Ratio, Extra TO/L-safety (Civil & military) gained by STV, thereby ending dominance of common stall/spin dangerous aero-control. F-35 & F-22 exploit only part of STV potential [tailless= better stealth, reduced drag/structure/weight/fuel). X44 MANTA, X47b, X-48b,c, RQ170, T50, B2, NGB, FB22, X-727.
This video proves nothing about TO and climb out by comparison between the 2. It does not even have both birds in frame at the same time, nor does it show the F22 from brake release into the climb out either. This video is broken and edited, it proves exactly nothing, so stop commenting, as its futile.
@KidoSire not likely, the F-22's thrusters can move to assist it......not to mention we're not seeing the true skill..thats classified and practiced on secret air ranges
Don't bother arguing with the f15 fanboi... though I can't believe someone thinks a cold war fighter could shake a stick at a modern one... you think the airforce is going to spend billions on something that's not better than what they already have?
I think what he is refering to is the F16 being part of the aggressor squadron in the red flag operations. their the ones who get to be the bad guys and pretend their russians.
in correct my freind the F-15 remains to this day the worlds only fighter in Aviation history to have the capability to Accelerate while in virticle climb while the F-22 has great power, it aint the P & W's that the 15 holds. take it from a person who has seen em both fly on a consistant basis, F-15 still has the best short take-off and power ability in te world.
Im not stating opinion here its fact the 15 is is the only Aircraft in the world that can accelerate during verticle climb. the 22 cant do that it can maintain speed at climb, but not accelerate.
No, the f-22 outclimbs it because of sheer thrust. Vectoring does NOTHING for power, it's a maneuverability thing. The f-15's engines are 25,000 lbs each with afterburner. The f-22's are 35,000 each. Now they both have two engines, so that's 70,000 to the eagle's 50,000. That's nearly an extra engine of thrust, and their operational weights are nearly the same. So who's going faster?
Wrong. The F-15 is just the FIRST US operational fighter to achieve this, not the ONLY one. All it takes is a positive thrust to weight ratio. I've seen the f-15 and 16 both do this, although the 15 was much more impressive. The F-22's T2W is 1.4, to 1 while the f-15's is 1.04 to 1and the f-16's is nearly 2 to 1. So BOTH the f-16 and f-22 could climb faster and accelerate faster than the f-15. And to correct you again, the f-22 does in fact have P&W engines.
@Paul121193 Yes, this is definitely at Edwards. I have seen those runways many times. The F-16 is tagging alongside to take pictures and to make sure that nothing breaks off or fails to deploy (such as the landing gear). IT IS CALLED A "CHASE PLANE." It is not racing the F-22 or anything. It is there to make sure that everything functions normally on the F-22. Change the title.
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I can take a wild guess why F22 is about to become scrap.
Warfare to, what do you call it? ADAPTING to situation. F35 is what THEY want now.
Not enough F22s made anyways but to hold off enough enemy due to high amount of jets around probably for a decent airforce to put up a fight. Ya I like F35 for new generation jet too due to VTOL. Thats the only reason I like F35 is the VTOL.
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DarkPrinceNH5570 1 month ago
the F-16 was acting as a chase plane
chaosad09 4 months ago
F-16 its to slow... the raptor destroy that bird.
xXxEDUXxX16 7 months ago
F-16 is better looking
HEDFIRE 11 months ago
@HEDFIRE
Agreed
drbackjack 9 months ago
@HEDFIRE haha wtf ya I liked it better than F15
DarkPrinceNH5570 1 month ago
It's Lockheed Martin/ Boeing.
SecularTechnology 1 year ago
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THE NEW ERA IN AVIATION STARTED in ISRAEL with 1st-EVER flight of Stealth, Tailless 3D Vectoring [STV]. (5/18/1987 Av. Week). Facebook video ["Benjamin Gal-Or"] explains Super-Kill-Ratio, Extra TO/L-safety (Civil & military) gained by STV, thereby ending dominance of common stall/spin dangerous aero-control. F-35 & F-22 exploit only part of STV potential [tailless= better stealth, reduced drag/structure/weight/fuel). X44 MANTA, X47b, X-48b,c, RQ170, T50, B2, NGB, FB22, X-727.
1Bengalor 1 year ago
If anyone thinks an f 16 can even compete with a f22 in a climb of any kind needs to pull their head out if their asses.
trav1971 1 year ago
@trav1971
no thank you sir
zeker111 1 year ago
I have a feeling F-16 loses, big time
gangster3591 1 year ago
EPIC FIGHTER PLANE!!
OsanBlackCat5RS 1 year ago
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This video proves nothing about TO and climb out by comparison between the 2. It does not even have both birds in frame at the same time, nor does it show the F22 from brake release into the climb out either. This video is broken and edited, it proves exactly nothing, so stop commenting, as its futile.
EnglishTurbines 1 year ago
ki legal
oliveiradaacordeoon 1 year ago
@AmFearLiathMor ok your right i'll give ya that, but its suppose to get up quick and fast! VSTOL! thanks to the Brits for letting us have the design
jtoatoktoe 1 year ago
@AmFearLiathMor The Harriers pretty slow man
jtoatoktoe 1 year ago
F-18 FTW
nealshireman 1 year ago
I thought the Lightning accelerated whilst climbing....
philg7bzd 1 year ago
No contest. I think F-22 costs 10x of F-16. I bet 10 F-16's will beat 1 Raptor. haha
AccordGTR 1 year ago
@AccordGTR well yeah the F-22 doesn't carry 10 Air to Air Weapons at once lol
jtoatoktoe 1 year ago
nothing can touch the f 22 obamas dumbass stoped makeing them... god job
nintendonerdgoodbad2 1 year ago
ye ye, but f-16 is still in production, f-22... not.
JackPLflashpoint 1 year ago
@JackPLflashpoint Both aircraft are still in production...
P3SuperBee 1 year ago
@P3SuperBee Wrong.
mikester1290 9 months ago
The F16 could still take off like the F22. It depends on the pilot. I don't think that there is any manuever that the F22 does that the F16 can't do.
KidoSire 1 year ago
@KidoSire not likely, the F-22's thrusters can move to assist it......not to mention we're not seeing the true skill..thats classified and practiced on secret air ranges
jtoatoktoe 1 year ago
F16 is cheaper and better. It remains a very dangerous fighter and one of the world's top and best ones.
KidoSire 1 year ago
wow your stupid there not versing
trigaj1 2 years ago
Don't bother arguing with the f15 fanboi... though I can't believe someone thinks a cold war fighter could shake a stick at a modern one... you think the airforce is going to spend billions on something that's not better than what they already have?
sjongkind 2 years ago
VS??? The F16 was only there for taking camera shots and info on the F22
nords 3 years ago 20
It was to show you how fast the f-22 could pull straight up into the vertical before the f-16.
tonygogap 2 years ago
We don't even have a f16 named aggressor. Your data on the f22 kill is not factual or it is incorrect.
anointedsword 3 years ago
At Red Flag the F-16's are named F-16 agressor. Nonetheless they keep being a F-16 Fighting Falcon.
WinchesterDelta1 2 years ago
I think what he is refering to is the F16 being part of the aggressor squadron in the red flag operations. their the ones who get to be the bad guys and pretend their russians.
no4go2 2 years ago
The first a/c to score a kill on an F-22 was an aggressor F-16 in Alaska late last year.
vne1981 3 years ago
After it was allowed to return to the battlefield after being "killed".
jayers2 3 years ago 2
Yeah? I didn't know that but I am not suprised.
vne1981 3 years ago
No, the F-35 is a Lockheed-Martin but the F-22 is a Lockheed/Boeing
drummerboy197 3 years ago
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this is not good
bagsekboy87 3 years ago
ur both right its lockheed & boeing...and whats the pile of shit antiscreen??
smarr55 3 years ago
thats one big pile of shit
antiscreen 3 years ago
wow i like the way of the f-22 take off
joaofga123 3 years ago
yeah it lockhead martin not boeing!
edwardhansen 3 years ago
is't lockhead martin?..
achotto 3 years ago
ehhhhhhhh cooooooool!
pizzaking85 3 years ago
The F-22 Looks fat :P jk haha
ikillbmx 4 years ago
Was this a testing launch, its common for F-16s and other planes to fly alongside during testing. Was this at Edwards AFB?
airshow4444 4 years ago 3
Im pretty sure this is a testing launch to see the capability of the F22. Im not sure if its a common thing to do, and it maybe at Edwards AFB
Paul121193 4 years ago 2
thank you
airshow4444 4 years ago
Yes it is Edwards. But the f-22 can outclimb both the f-16 and f-15, even though the f-15 has a higher thrust to weight ratio.
chrslbrt 3 years ago
in correct my freind the F-15 remains to this day the worlds only fighter in Aviation history to have the capability to Accelerate while in virticle climb while the F-22 has great power, it aint the P & W's that the 15 holds. take it from a person who has seen em both fly on a consistant basis, F-15 still has the best short take-off and power ability in te world.
RenegadeAM 3 years ago
I've seen them both take off too. The F-15 had a higher thrust 2 weight, but the F-22 outclims it because of thrust vectoring.
chrslbrt 3 years ago
Im not stating opinion here its fact the 15 is is the only Aircraft in the world that can accelerate during verticle climb. the 22 cant do that it can maintain speed at climb, but not accelerate.
RenegadeAM 3 years ago
No, the f-22 outclimbs it because of sheer thrust. Vectoring does NOTHING for power, it's a maneuverability thing. The f-15's engines are 25,000 lbs each with afterburner. The f-22's are 35,000 each. Now they both have two engines, so that's 70,000 to the eagle's 50,000. That's nearly an extra engine of thrust, and their operational weights are nearly the same. So who's going faster?
daveo211 2 years ago
The F-15 was the first fighter that could accelerate while climbing, but it is not the only fighter that can do so.
TimTheYank 3 years ago 8
Wrong. The F-15 is just the FIRST US operational fighter to achieve this, not the ONLY one. All it takes is a positive thrust to weight ratio. I've seen the f-15 and 16 both do this, although the 15 was much more impressive. The F-22's T2W is 1.4, to 1 while the f-15's is 1.04 to 1and the f-16's is nearly 2 to 1. So BOTH the f-16 and f-22 could climb faster and accelerate faster than the f-15. And to correct you again, the f-22 does in fact have P&W engines.
daveo211 2 years ago
the f-15 does not have a higher ratio. f-15 is 1.04 to 1 and f-22 is 1.4 to 1.
daveo211 2 years ago
@Paul121193 Yes, this is definitely at Edwards. I have seen those runways many times. The F-16 is tagging alongside to take pictures and to make sure that nothing breaks off or fails to deploy (such as the landing gear). IT IS CALLED A "CHASE PLANE." It is not racing the F-22 or anything. It is there to make sure that everything functions normally on the F-22. Change the title.
Narsedax 8 months ago
F22 won the race! wooo!!
johnnydckc 4 years ago