"Stretched Out With Christ": Martin Luther and Simone Weil o

[madhoneydew]

this should simply be posted. worries and nerves ruins it. i can't listen to it. but i really really want to know what she has to say! perhaps that's the point. as a someone very interested in weil, i think suffering is the key to listen to this or her nerves.

[rowanrox]

Well I think suffering in Christian terms is suffering with the Crucified God for his kingdom to be established, suffering is a necessity for the blossoming of both creation, represented by Human Beings and the Divine and bring a certain mystical connection and oneness between God and creation......Some Indian theologians talk of "The Christification of the Cosmos".

[bedebill]

all good stuff but you do not know how to lecture , shame . but , you can learn

[blackpandemoniumband]

I'm sorry, I'm confused. Is this one of those new video books that will soon replace audio books? If so, you should redo this one because you mess up at about 15:12 in the reading. Listening to Microsoft narrator reading the dictionary was more enjoyable!

[GreatGrumbledook]

I really don't know any other way to say it other than I just ran out of bullshit. Bullshit is all the reasons we give for living. And if we can't think up any reasons of our own, we always have the God bullshit. We don't know why we're going through all this pointless pain, humiliation, decays, so there better be someone somewhere who does know. That's the God bullshit.

[hopkins4545]

@GreatGrumbledook Hope is not lost. Take heart, troubled soul, for joy and peace He brings. Read Bonhoeffer, read Kierkegaard, and most importantly read the Gospels.

Postmodernism is a a lie and I am no fundamentalist.

[GreatGrumbledook]

@hopkins4545: I will do no such thing! For who can read Bonhoffer as he was a traitor: for if, look you, he were my brother, I would desire the German government to use its good pleasure, and put him to execution; for discipline ought to be used! Who could read Kierkegaard after reading Nietzsche? And most of all who could read the gospels after reading the Iliad and the Odyssey? The Christian God sure bears the name of a deity as if a channel should be called the sea!

[hopkins4545]

@GreatGrumbledook I've read everything Nietzsche's written, friend, the best of which I believe to be "Human, All Too Human". And I read all of Nietzsche before I read Kierkegaard or even Kierkegaard seriously (and Max Stirner, and Hume, et al, et al.) I read the Odyssey before anything but a skimming of the Gospels. As for what you say about Bonhoeffer, I hope you're joking. God Bless You.

[GreatGrumbledook]

@hopkins4545: Which God? Any God who is in the mood to do so or do you think of a particular God? While my favourite writings from Nietzsche are: The Antichrist, Thus spoke Zarathustra, the Dawn, On Genealogy of Morales, Beyond good and evil and the Twilight of Idols; but tell me: How could you endure the Gospels after the Iliad and the books of Kierkegaard after the ones of Nietzsche? I will invoke one of my favourite parts from Thus Spoke Zarathustra:

[GreatGrumbledook]

"With the old Deities has it long since come to an end:- and verily, a good joyful Deity-end had they! They did not "twilight" themselves to death- that do people fabricate! On the contrary, they- laughed themselves to death once on a time! That took place when the ungodliest utterance came from a God himself- the utterance: "There is but one God! you shall have no other gods before me!"- -An old grim-beard of a God, a jealous one, forgot himself in such wise:- ...

[GreatGrumbledook]

...And all the gods then laughed, and shook upon their thrones, and exclaimed: "Is it not just divinity that there are gods, but no God?" He that has an ear let him hear.-"

[hopkins4545]

@GreatGrumbledook When you're not playing a role, preaching the Gospel of Hypercapitalism--which is exactly what Nietzsche was doing, though I don't think he was in any position to realize the mediocre brutality of those would who would take up his ideas--then contact me. Frankly, the Dangerous Subversive Intellectual Role on YouTube fails to impress me. God Bless You, and the may the peace of the Holy Spirit return at to you at some point.

[GreatGrumbledook]

@hopkins4545: It was very unwise to accuse me of playing a role, as you will receive for it the proper Shakespeare quote (you know: Above all I hold the belief that there is an unfitting Shakespeare quote for every occasion in life); besides it may be the English translation but in French translation and the German original, it appears as clear as is the summer sun that no one could be farer away from the merchants and money (as there is no such thing as capitalism) than Nietzsche!

[GreatGrumbledook]

@hopkins4545: And now for the quotes; Shakespeare first:

"All the world's a stage, And all the men and women merely players: They have their exits and their entrances; And one man in his time plays many parts, His acts being seven ages. At first the infant, Mewling and puking in the nurse's arms. And then the whining school-boy, with his satchel And shining morning face, creeping like snail Unwillingly to school. And then the lover, Sighing like furnace, with a woeful ballad Made to his ...

[GreatGrumbledook]

...mistress' eyebrow. Then a soldier, Full of strange oaths and bearded like the pard, Jealous in honour, sudden and quick in quarrel, Seeking the bubble reputation Even in the cannon's mouth. And then the justice, In fair round belly with good capon lined, With eyes severe and beard of formal cut, Full of wise saws and modern instances; And so he plays his part. The sixth age shifts Into the lean and slipper'd pantaloon, With spectacles on nose and pouch on side, His youthful hose, well ...

[GreatGrumbledook]

...saved, a world too wide For his shrunk shank; and his big manly voice, Turning again toward childish treble, pipes And whistles in his sound. Last scene of all, That ends this strange eventful history, Is second childishness and mere oblivion, Sans teeth, sans eyes, sans taste, sans everything."

@hopkins4545: So you see all people play roles all the time! While I will invoke Nietzsche on a serious matter now:

[GreatGrumbledook]

"...still more so, a doctrine of the derivation of good impulses from wicked ones. If, however, a person should regard even the affects of hatred, envy, covetousness, and the lust to rule as conditions of life, as factors which, fundamentally and essentially must be present in the general economy of life (and must, there, be further enhanced if life is to be further enhanced)"

[noonesflower]

this girl has an effected and false and snobby accent

[hopkins4545]

@noonesflower Agreed. She really was in love with whatever degree she has.

[thewho1572]

@noonesflower Except that she is from the south and has a southern drawl that she will slip into. I would suggest you don't make judgements about people like this before you know them. She is a fantastic professor and I was happy to be able to take her for a class and would do it again if I can.

[GnosisMan50]

I'm wondering...does Luther or Weil mention the importance of learning how to experience legitimate suffering so that we may not suffer? No doubt, the answer to this question is one in which psychotherapy is in dire need of.

Great talk...

[GnosisMan50]

It seems the reason we, as humans, lack true compassion towards others is because we have not learned HOW to suffer. In this, here is a passage from an ancient book that Jesus apparently told to his disciples--perhaps you know of it....

"If thou hadst known how to suffer,

thous wouldest have been able not to suffer.

LEARN thou to suffer, and thou shall be able not to suffer"

[GnosisMan50]

Hi Krista,

I'm curious to know who your audience was...certainly not the average individual;

Anyway, you mentioned that the capacity to suffer may reveal truths regarding God, the self and the nature of the universe.

I'd say this largely depends on the quality and nature of our suffering. It was Jung who said that "All neurosis is s substitute for legitimate suffering. In other esoteric teachings they make a great distinction between real and imaginary suffering.