The answer is yes. God asked for only 10%...we don't complain about dropping $1000 gladly towards a big screen TV or 4-$500 on a ticket to a football game. Why should we EVER argue or complain about tithing GOD's money???
I used to be one of those "Church = $¢am" types, until I realized how unoriginal it was. Think about it; as if it isn't hard enough to hold ppl's faith and try to give the best advice, preachers don't make squat. If they wanted money, they would be accountants or business majors. I know some youth pastors. It's stressful work. But they chose to dedicate their lives to this calling, and I am more than happy to support my church and fund our activities.
As children of God we are now a ROYAL PRIESTHOOD, with Jesus Christ being High Priest. So, if the tithe was suppose to go to the PRIESTS, then I should be setting aside the ten% of my income for myself or I give u 10% and u give me 10%, but I definately don't HAVE TO give 10% of my income to a pastor or to a church. However, if God places it in my heart to give something then I will. We must be led by the Spirit not by doctrines of men that nullify the Word of God.
If some1 insists that we are still under the law of tithing and quotes old testament passages as proof, then I will have to say READ the Scriptures again. if we are to tithe, then we must of course look to the old test. to see how to tith becus tithing is NOT mentioned in the new test. so, in the old it says that the PRIESTS were to receive the tithe. Interesting becus the New Test. says that all children of God are now PRIESTS!!!! it NEVER says that ONLY PASTORS are priests, but ALL are.
I agree with you with grandmastu. It's either we are still under the law or we are under grace. I mean really which one is it? under the old cov. the tithes were ONLY supose to go to the LEVITES. we are NO LONGER under the levitical order. Also, the command of tithing is NEVER mentioned in the new test. Paul only says to give whatever you can out of whatever you have. He mentions NOTHING about HAVING to give 10% every pay check you get.
We all are unable to give apart from handing over our responsibility to do so ? I think clearly some people like the whole concept .it allows them to wash their hands of some things .They have to do it blindly .Is your church saying I'll build bigger barns to put what we have in ?? Jesus preached on a hillside . We still have streets for men to preach in .
The tithe according to most is a way to fund...giving to the poor .I never understood how people are so proud of themselves paying a tithe to a church hoping somehow it will go to a poor person .Isn't it true that something else will get in the way and need paid apart from a hungry person .why are you making your pastor be a good steward with your money ? Has anyone ever been a good steward with money just handed to them ? Work for it and you'll be a good steward of money .inheritances are blown
@zwreckless1 I agree. I think that paying tithes to the church/pastor is a way of laying the burden of taking care of the poor on the pastor. As long as we pay our tithes we are doing our part, so we are no longer obligated to have to go on the streets and actually MINISTER HANDS ON. we don't have to go and actually feed the poor with the Word of God and with natural food. Christians have become LAZY, wanting to work for money, but not work for the sake of SOULS.
Tithing was NEVER meant for new covenant Gentiles. In fact, Tithing was never for the Gentiles. Jesus teaches "giving with a generous heart, what your heart has decided to give" WE DON'T HAVE TO TITHE!!!! TITHING KEEPS YOU UNDER THE LAW. The bible teaches if you keep one part of the law you have to keep all of it otherwise you will be under the curse. Be free, give freely as your heart desires and God will bless you with the measure you give. Give free child of God with a cheerful heart! Be free
So "we don't teach tithing"; but by the time we finish preaching about new covenant giving, you'll wish we did. The OT tithe should not be used as a fulcrum to apply the lever of guilt so that God's sheep contribute more than 10%. Then again, mega-churches run up mega-bills for mega-ministry based on mega-personalities like Driscoll. That's a far cry from the mega-poverty practiced by Christ and his apostles who spread the gospel w/o the internet, hair-gel, or dressing like Tim Hawkins.
remember that the tithe went only to the levite. Are the pastors in america levites? NO!. can you answer why it is tha tjews who follow the law do not tithe?
What Mark has failed to note is that tithing was only required of food producers. Other occupations in Israel did not tithe. The tithe was not voluntary, and was taken as a tax. Christians do not just give 3 or 4% as he misleadingly suggests, but also pay taxes. Some of this goes to the poor in welfare payments. Tithes were given to the priests but the priests were forbidden to own property. In the New Testament St Paul was unpaid. No one put up church buildings. No large salaries for preachers.
@andyguitargloucester haha good point man... if preachers are intent on recieving tithes then they should at least be forbidden to own property of any kind and be subject to the same laws and regulations that governed Levite priests. They want it both ways though.. they want your cash and then they want to cash in on everything around them!
I'd really love to know how this pastor actually hands over the tithes to the Lord. Or is he just another greedy Creflo wannabe making 1 annual salary per 10 punters on the pews? Please do not insult our intelligence. I bet there is not any cash distributed to the poorest members of the congregation / parish either which was the original idea.
Tithing is always compulsory. I like how Mark confuses giving with the tithing the Corinthian church did not tithe. They gave money freely but it was not an ongoing thing. Paul states that this is not a commandment for you to do so. Tithing is not in the new covenant. Giving is another matter yes if we have it, and we can give it. We are free from all obligations. God made right with us because we could not. so many Christians live under the old testament welcome to the new testament people.
you give what the Lord puts on your heart, so If he tells you to sell all and give it to the poor like he told someone before then you should do it. I personally don't have percent that I give but when he lays something on my heart I do it. but we are all called to help one another in someway, shape, or form. last number I seen is like 70% of people on Earth lives off less then $2 a day. so even the poorest in America is filthy rich compared to others in the world. lets all do our part and help.
dont listen to him...give anytime you feel you need to...once a month...once a year...look after your family first if not...your like an unbeliever. These people are thugs, robbers, minipulators and liars
@aubhar dude thats what he said... give what the Lord puts on your heart whether its 2 cents or all that you have... Jesus has told someone before to give all that he had and he could do it to you or me. would you listen if he did? thats a tough question but there was a time I gave my last 100$ that was suppose to use to buy food for my family but I obeyed and I admit it was hard to walk by faith like that but long story short my cabinets were overflowing few days later from unknown sources
Many of you guys like to bash Driscoll just because he is too honest. Nothing he says is unbiblical at all. Don't be deceived into thinking that God doesn't want us to sacrifice out of our abundance to him. The fact that people are offended by this shows that are hearts are corrupted. Like he says is an issue of worship. If we truly loved God we would have no problem giving 10%, 25%, or all of what we have if that's what he asks of us.
@do2aOnts The fact that people are offended by this shows that they see the folly of the argument: Give God the money you yourself earn? God, as German philosopher Max Stirner observed, is nothing but an egoist. Why is egoism so detestable in humanity but so admirable in God? Me, I follow Stirner's example: "Let me then likewise concern myself for myself, who am equally with God the nothing of all others, who am my all, who am the only one."
@do2aOnts driscol is no honest! he says "10% of YOUR gross would go to FUND the ministry of priests, pastors etc" ONLY those in primary industries were commanded to tithe - NO ONE ELSE - once a year - NEVER IN MONEY! he says "in addition 10% would go to feasts etc" this occured once every 3 years, not annualy AND WAS FOR THE POOR! 3.3% to the poor is not ADDITIONAL to this, it is the INCLUSIVE percentage of the 3 tithes (Num18, Det14, Det26) - his intention is to confuse ignorant people
No -- the problem with Driscoll is that he is WRONG:
▪ At 0:30 he says the "tithe" was "a 10th of the gross" that went to "Levites, pastors and priests in the Old Testament to fund ministry". That is a LIE.
▪ The primary tithe was a 10th of produce given YEARLY by the people to the Levites, who functioned not only as temple attendants, but as teachers and civil servants. There were no "pastors" anywhere around.
This video shows why I don't like Driscoll. He talks TOO much and TOO fast.
driscoll is a outright liar and thief. He says '10% is only the starting point (alluding to OT tithing) yet he also says, "we dont teach tithing" (3:45) just give cheerfully - "as long as 10% or more of that cheerful giving is offered" is what is insinuated. I wish I could "lay hands on him" - he would steal the money off a single mother with a crying baby or pensioner without a second thought... all in the name of Jesus... Your a disgrace driscoll.. a seat is reserved in the lake of fire 4u
@etherform66 Don't talk like that to a son of God... God loves his sons. Your heart is not soft and generous but hard and easy to attack other people in defending your selfish ways.
@racenuke why are you calling me selfish? I believe that preachers that rob people of their cash deserve to be confronted. Tithing is done away with - why cant pastors just be honest about it? These men are supposed to be moral and spiritual beacons for us but they use their postion to enslave and cheat.
@ChaeBombz true word mate. Jesus does love him. The Spirit of Christ is unchanging though - what would Christ say to the vast majority of evangelical preachers today, who twist the gospel message for fithy lucres sake? I think He would say (Mat 15:9) "in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men" What's your take on tithing mate?
If we really had to sow money to receive God’s blessings, it wouldn’t be called “grace” anymore because it is in the fact that it took everything we deserved (punishment for sin) and placed it on Jesus and that it freely gave us everything which we didn’t deserve, namely forgiveness, blessings, salvation, healing, etc. So teaching people that they need to tithe first in order for God to bless them, is essentially throwing God’s free gift back into His face and opting to buy it from Him instead.
such a joke... worship with money?? God blesses you according to you money? to what you give? If you are reading this right now, Im here to tell you that there is nothing else God will bless you with that you don't already have. When you understand that your giving is endless, but the church preaches response and reward, which demonizes the true power of God in us to think beyond where we are but how to transform into who we should be.
This man speaks lie and mock people acusing them that they have corrupted heart. I was tithing 5 years with no problem at all becasue they are teach me that i should do that. But today, 12 years after I have found in the Bible truth about tithing, and you cannot find any verse about tithing in new covenant, but about cheerful GIVING!!! Can you see the diference?!!!
NO. In new covenant we are not under the law and most of us are not even Jews. Tithing was given for Levites, poor, widows and strangers. Now, we are His temple and we are His priests. You cannot mix old & new!! Simple as that.
@ivanasimic1 spot on mate. Gone are the days when you can trust 'men of God' and take them at their word. I confronted my pastor years ago about the theocratic deception of the tithe and he said "i know tithing is not for today ...its not my place to change things" He continued preaching tithe messages sunday after sunday anyway. I left the 'church' and my life has been blessed more that I could have imagined :) 15 years of being deliberately misled and stooged. Incredible.
i belong to no denomination .. if you cant see that he OT Law has been done away with you need not pray for my eyes to be opened.. your already blind...
All the best I am assuming you are Jehovah witnesss then I will pray for you so that the Holy Ghost opens your spiritual eyes before is too late. God bless
I am ending this argument here. It seems we have different understandings of the word of God. We are located in opposite directions and for us to come to some form of agreement one of us have to move to one direction. I will not move towards your direction and it seems that will not move to my direction so lets end it. Take care
@Kattigra11 what direction are you moving in notkat? the one away from scriptural truth? Ok.. please do your homework before commenting on things you have no idea about notkat.. you and your ill informed followers are on borrowed time.. you take care now too ..ok? we are watching you
ps, the doctrine of hell is a lie from the mind of satan himself and i notice that you still rain down platitudes on me without substantiating your position with scripture. How is it ok to pick one of 613 OT laws and insist that men follow it and not the rest? WHY NO KAT?
No problem, I know that we are often carried away with this type of discussions and that is the reason Paul urges not get involved in such discussions. Now you are focusing on these 612 OT laws and I am focussing on the ten commandment laws. We were under the curse of these laws but because of what the Lord has done for us we are free from these curses.
Problem 1. What do we pay 10% against? Gross income, net income (after taxes, ss, etc?) or net AFTER ALL living expenses are paid (rent, utilities, food, insurance, car, gasoline, maintainence--IOW, on your net INCREASE, which is what is left over after all necessary living expenses are paid for?
Problem 2. Can we give our 10% to the local Women's Shelter or the neighborhood soup kitchen?
Problem 3. Do we give anonymously--with no thought of a gov't kick-back (tax write off)?
2 Corinthians 9:6-7 6But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.7Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
@Kattigra11 sacrificing animals and stoning disobedient children to death was also a commandment of Elohim Kat... why do you ignore the 612 laws of Elohim and focus on one in particular? is being a son of god dependant of the observaiton of laws?
@etherform66 I must remind you that there were many reasons why animals were being sacrificed in the Old Testament but the most of the reason was to get redemption of sin. However this is no longer necessary because Jesus was our lamb and therefore He has redeemed us. Moreover, Jesus commanded us to love one another which automatically reversed the commandment of an eye for an eye and tooth for tooth. Please read the Gospel so that you can get further understanding. God Bless.
@Kattigra11 there were 613 Old Testament laws that the people of Elohim were commanded to observe. How is it that out of the 613 you pick the one that has the potential to make you cash and forget the rest? You are a hypocrite and a deciever. You dont get to pick and choose.
@etherform66 No need for offence for i did not offend you in any way. I am a believer and I am not a preacher. I bring the tithe to the house of God as I believe I should. Do you think if I am earning £50000 per year would I want to choose to give tithe? think about it. I will not call you names because I am not getting down to your level. If you think I am a hypocrite and a deceiver you are not better than me because you are taking God's judgement chair. God Bless.
@Kattigra11 My tax records indicated I gave more than ten percent in past yrs.other times less but I do not believe under the New Testament God will curse you for not giving a set amount unless the Holy Spirit guides you to. Gal.3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us:....
@Kattigra11 I actually am committed to giving more than ten percent of my time talent & treasure for the Lord but not to dodge an Old Covenant curse. We are under the New Covenant of Grace. My church does not demand tithing paying but Grace. I think the Holy Spirit is well capable of leading guiding and convicting his redeemed on how much to give.
@Kattigra11 i didnt mean to offend .. please forgive me. You still have not addressed my remark, Kat. You have dodged around it and rained platitudes upon me. Why have you ignored the 612 remaining OT laws and zeroed in on the one that, if twisted enough, you could use to fleece people of thier cash with? You are a debtor to the whole law if you pick one aspect of it to live by. I await you reply.,
@etherform66 Jesus clearly told us that through loving God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength, and to love your neighbour with all your heart you fulfil all these commandments without realising that you are actually doing, as we are not justified by works but by faith in Jesus Christ and that is why love covers a multitude of sins.
@etherform66 However, the act of bringing the tithe and offering to the church is a way of honouring and showing our love towards our God and a form of thanks God for giving us the ability to stand, to work, to wake up in the morning to get the bread. This also shows our recognition that God is above all things in our lives even money.
@etherform66 Therefore, all that matters is that you are saved and that you will not spend eternity in hell and whether bringing the tithe to the church is wrong I honestly don’t think that the Lord will throw me into hell because I brought money to the church. The most that is happening is that I am losing my money and if I am losing my money to help the church save souls so be it. My soul is much more valuable than any amount of paper that is in this life. My name is not Kat.God Bless.
@Kattigra11 not Kat, do you realise that the OT tithe had NOTHING AT ALL to do with money? (unless Jerusalem was too far for you to take the tithe to, in that case you could sell the tithe for money and but alcohol to celebrate with!) If you are so commited to keeping true to the OT tithe, you would be bringing wine, oil, honey, grain and livestock to a bunch of people who interceeded for you before Elohim. Do you do this?
@NotFlaking . This word 'it is finished' simply means that before Jesus arrival man were cursed by the Law of Moses as through the law sin entered the world and death through sin, therefore we were all destined to die Romans 5:12. Due our sinful nature we were not qualified to enter God’s presence as there was a veil separating us from God but Jesus tore the veil, death lost their grip on those who are born of the spirit and this is what Christ means ’ it is finished’.
@Kattigra11 Romans 10:4 Christ is the end of the law for righteousness for every believer.
I agree with your statement. Jesus also fulfilled the law Luke 24:44 and is the fulfillment of the law. Only someone sinless could fulfill the law perfectly. You'd have to be sin free!.
@NotFlaking while I agree with you that we are under grace, Grace isn't a licence to live in sin. That is why you must be born again so that you have a new aand obedient spirit. Certain teaching cannot be revealed by flesh and blood but by the spirit alone.
We are not justified by works but because of our love for the Lord we no longer want to live in sin. So please get some understanding because many christians are destroyed by lack of knowledge. God Bless.
@Kattigra11 Romans 5:21 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: Romans 6:1What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound?
Romans 6:2 May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?
@NotFlaking If u read my comments properly you will get a better understanding of whatI am saying. I clearly explained that those who are truly born of the spirit are not under the law as the law was never made to save us but to make us understand that we needed a savior due to our siniful nature. However, there are two commandments that we do it as a result of our love love for God and not by works but by grace, but you must be born again. Please read Lke 10:27. This is my last word. God Bless
@Kattigra11 Romans 10:4 Christ is the end of the law for righteousness for every believer.
We now have the internal work of the Holy Spirit indwelling to enable every Christian to live right, we don't need those external laws on tables of stone. They only revealed what was expected but they had no power to transform or make us new creations in Christ.
Romans 8:3 What the law could not do God did by sending his Son ....
If you choose not to tithe you are just being disobedient to the word of God simple as that. This is written throughout Malachi and Jesus commanded us to give to give to God what belongs to God. If you think worshiping is to give what you are happy to give than you better think again because faith requires you to give even in uncertainty. Therefore, if God is not worthy for you to trust in Him with your increasings than you are worshiping the wrong God which I suppose is your money. God Bless
@Kattigra11 Tithing is an Old Covenant law. You cite Malachi, from the Old Testament. We are now under the New Covenant of grace, and we give because it is our nature to give, not out of duty. Those pastors who teach tithing are either ignorant of the difference between the Old and New Covenants, or are purposely deceiving their congregation.
@imthemandawg The poor widow proves my point. Jesus commended her for giving from her heart. I'm not against giving, just the Old Covenant law of tithing. Even if the widow (hypothetically) was giving her tithe, she was living during the time of law (The Old Covenant). The New Covenant didn't take effect until after Jesus' crucifixion.
@imthemandawg That woman was a Jew & she was not yet under grace but the law, Jesus had not died on the cross and said paid in full yet.U need to know who Jesus was speaking to (Jew or Gentile) and which Covenant was in effect at the time he says something.
@markvilen I agree. This teaching is a stubborn stronghold just like trying to convince some Roman Catholics they don't have to say a thousand Hail Mary's or pray the Rosary to get God to forgive or bless them. Here is what the bible says about people trying to earn God's free gift of daily grace by their own merit:
Gal. 5:4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.
@markvilen Hi thanks for replying to my comment. Can I just remind you Mathew 5:17 Jesus clearly states that he came to fulfil the law and not to destroy it. While those who are truly born again are not justified by the law of Moses the greatest commandment which was also a commandment of the old testament is love the Lord with all your heart, mind, strength, and soul, and the second is love your neighbour like yourself Luke 10;27.
@markvilen . As grace causes us to repent and to put our trust in Jesus Christ and through a personal relationship we learn to love Christ with all our mind, strength, and soul, and to love our neighbour as we love our self, through this love we will desire to be obedient to God and eventually we will naturally cover all other commandments but this is done only by the Grace of God.
@markvilen . As grace causes us to repent and to put our trust in Jesus Christ and through a personal relationship we learn to love Christ with all our mind, strength, and soul, and to love our neighbour as we love our self, through this love we will desire to be obedient to God and eventually we will naturally cover all other commandments but this is done only by the Grace of God.
@markvilen In Mathew 22:40 Jesus says on these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets and the beauty about fulfilling these two commandments is that I don’t have to force because only the Grace of God I am able to do anything. Therefore, we don’t give tithes; we bring tithes to the house of God because we love God and because we are concerned for the salvation of souls as money still require to reach the lost.
@markvilen The problem with many Christians is that they have not really got born again, they make Jesus their saviour but not their lord, and their natural being hasn’t died. They still do what the flesh wants to do and then justified themselves by saying ‘I am under the grace’. If you really are under Grace you wouldn’t want to do the things of the flesh. Even if you do these things you would truly repent and put your trust in Jesus to deliver you from these things. God Bless.
In case there are other people reading my comments, let me sum up. I do not tithe, but I do give cheerfully as the Lord leads without hesitation. I do not live extravagantly but within my means. Nor do I expect God to bless me $ more if I give more, however giving does bless my heart. If you choose not to tithe, don't let that keep you from continuing to "give out of your abundance"-2 Cor. 8 in some shape or form. If you pay your bills & have nothing extra to share, don't feel guilty. God Bless
I have a true giving ministry give to it and be blessed,luke 6:38, Evangelist Maurice p.o. box 470405 Los Angeles,Calif.90047 Jesus said to remember the poor and this what i do. Thank you.
Pastors get a salary, unrelated to offertory. The rest is split up into mission, mission, keeping the church running and more mission.
If you don't want to give, don't, but it probably says something about your faith, that you should think about. You should probably also think about where it says to "love your neighbour as yourself". That sort of feels like a spend as much money on them as you would yourself i.e. /minimum/ 50%. You could probs live on 10-20% of what you make.
@sanctimoniousennui Maybe you are talking to someone specific, but I haven't read all the comments. At first glance I had to laugh at you saying, "you could probably live on 10-20% of what you make". Most people need at least 25-28% of there income towards rent/house payment alone. Maybe the rich can live on 10-20% if they lived like I do and gave away the rest, but I don't know any of those people, and it's not up to me or you to tell anyone how much money they should have.
@Free2DanceForever Uhuh. Now how big is your house? Can you move somewhere smaller/further away and still survive? I'm pretty sure yes. Also, the "you" here is people on the internet. That is to say you're already in the top 3% of the world or something if you have a computer and internet. There are people out there living on $2 AUD (I'm Australian) a day (after conversion rates, like how its cheaper to buy stuff in other countries. So this is AUD in real terms. Look at livebelowthelineDOTcom
@sanctimoniousennui We do not own a home yet. We are a newlywed couple that live in a small apartment with very little storage space for basic needs. Still, if we see a need, have the means to help it, and the Lord leads us to, we do not hesitate and we don't cry a bit over it. I'm not sure what $2 AUD is in American dollars, but I do know that $2 American dollars couldn't even FEED my household of 2 for a day even if all we ate was macaroni and cheese for all three meals, which isn't healthy.
@Free2DanceForever Also I love how people start flaming when it comes to money and with all his other videos it has almost no dowvotes. Hello people? Money as an idol much?
I understand I don't have the full picture, I spend so much money on non-necessities, because I'm a 17yo uni bum with my parents paying everything for me, but as a CHristian, money is not my God. If its yours, you need to reconsider. Or just stop saying you're a Christian. Up to you.
@sanctimoniousennui This is one topic that I do get "flaming" mad over, and for good reason. You said (and I know it is true) that even having the internet, we are in the top 3% of riches. The topic of tithing in the Christian church is not about helping the poor in the world. I'm all for helping the poor. James 1:27 says pure religion is helping the orphans and widows in their needs. The people I know of that could stand to live with less are the church leaders who receive tithes.
For example. The head pastor at a mega church I went to for 10 years here in my state, lived in a $400,000 house. Ever other pastor there also had, what I would consider, an extravagantly large nice home. ALL paid for by tithes. Many of the televangalists on TCT (Christian television) are notorious for being found out to live in HUGE mansions and having private jets, all paid for by tithes, but if anyone who has given to them (so they can live lavishly) pleads for ($)help, they are rejected.
@Free2DanceForever Whoops, it seems the purchasing power of $2AUD is $1.25USD, even though currency conversions say its 1AUD to 0.967USD.
This includes electricity if you can afford it, fuel (heating), water, school, don't even think about getting sick, there's no way you can pay for it, shelter, clothing.
1.4 billion people live like that. Lined up shoulder to shoulder they snake around the equator 54 times. And you complain that you don't have enough to give away. Are you freaking kidding me?
@Free2DanceForever You have no idea what the hunger is like. Sure you've been hungry before, but chronic hunger, where you can't just go out and buy food after, the constant thinking about your next meal, your inability to think straight, being grateful for the most bland food.
For $500 a year AUD you can keep a kid in Qinghai, China at school, pay for their entire living expenses, and give them a better life. And noone does it. Thats under $50 a month. I spend $50 a /week/ on food.
@sanctimoniousennui You are getting off topic. Facts about the world's poverty is a separate issue, and one I would not argue with, since I know we can all stand to give to the poor more than we do. We are not talking about giving to the poor. I never was talking about giving to the poor. And you seemed to ignore that I said I do give to the poor...
@sanctimoniousennui (pt.2) The topic at hand is, "Is it Biblical for New Testament Christians to tithe"? I've studied this before, but I plan on studying it again, since I didn't document my findings well. You may keep an eye out for a video I am praying about posting, when I've finished the study. In the meantime ask yourself this rhetorical question: Why is the tithe literally the only Old Testament Law that Christian pastors still hold on to?
@Free2DanceForever Are you kidding? I'm pretty sure most pastors would be pretty pro-ten commandments. But seriously, who holds onto the tithe? Tithing in the here and now is much like keeping the Sabbath holy. Its just an easy way of keeping track of where you put God and others in your life. Obviously you should give more. I'm not saying it has to be directly to the church, and not 10% thats the point.
@sanctimoniousennui Firstly, the ten commandments are a basic right and wrong. They are different, I think you will agree, than the animal sacrifices, sundry laws, Levitical laws(including tithe), what you can and cannot eat laws, etc. Secondly, under the Old Covenant, if any of the ten commandments were broken, the offender would be stoned to death (Deut.). Does your pastor do this? I doubt it, because according Paul (Gal.) Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, becoming a curse for us.
@sanctimoniousennui P.s.I'm glad you're not saying it has to be directly to a church institution or exactly 10%,because that is MY only point. But you still seem to neglect attention to the fact that you do not know me, how I live, what my income is or how much I give (nor are my financial decisions the business of yours to know or judge) So you can't 'obviously' know that I need to give more. My attitude is far from stingy. I just can't stand the unBiblical teachings going on. This is 1 of many
@Free2DanceForever The thing is, theres this ridiculous perspective in popular culture that the average Australian/American/Englishman is somehow hard done by and struggling to get along. Noone has any clue how ridiculous this is in context, and are all suffering from paradigm paralysis and so they complain about how little they have, and how they can't afford to give anything away. Not even a pathetic 10% to your main source of spiritual food.
@sanctimoniousennui I can actually agree with you here. I don't see myself as suffering. I see myself, rather, as extremely blessed (even though I live with way less than the average American, I still have a roof over my head, never go hungry, and always have clothing) As Paul said to Timothy "That we have food and clothing we ought be content." I'm aware that my culture (pretty much the world in general) is very materialistic. And money mindsets need to be put in a better perspective of others.
@sanctimoniousennui Not every church handles money the same way; so try to be careful about making broad covering statements like that. I need you to really think about this. All of the churches I know of, get their cash intake from tithes and/or offerings. Which means that in order for the pastors to get a salary at all, the intake has to be consistent. Tithes aren't really gifts, if they are obligatory; so it can hardly be called 'giving'.
@Free2DanceForever (cont from before about knowing where my money goes) I have steady pastors and teachers, with a strong biblical basis and, at least a little, I talk to them and know them and what they're like.
It is giving, you're called to under grace. As I said, if you don't want to give it to your church, don't. This is for Christians, if you're not a Christian keep coming and don't give by all means, but
1. Don't delude yourself into thinking you are and
@Free2DanceForever You can also donate directly as aforementioned, or, If you do have a strong church and you're benefitting from their ministry, give to them(while being diescerning).
Prosperity gospel makes me want to balk and breeds unhappy non Christians and happy false preachers.
Also, why on earth would you be giving less under grace than under the law? Thats ridiculous.
This last post isnt making much sense but I just neede to wrap up everyting I wanted to say. Yeah.
@sanctimoniousennui I said before that it is not up to you or I to determine how much anyone else should give or live on. God made each of us a steward of our own gifts. 'Love your neighbor as yourself' simply means to think of the needs and feelings of others before your own. Look at 2 Cor. 8. At that time they took offerings for the poor in Jerusalem. And Paul said about giving, "It is for the sake of equality. Your abundance for their need, and their abundance for your need."
@Free2DanceForever $2AUD comes to just under $2USD. If you buy generic brand milk, flour, lentils, some fruit and rolled oats you can make it. Mebs onions cause they're also cheap.
Now why the hell were you at this mega church. Everyone knows that their theology is wrong, false prophets, completely delusional and siphon money off the masses. /Please/ be a bit more discerning in your church picking. I know where my money goes to at my church, the half yearly budgets are open for eveyone to see.
@sanctimoniousennui Those 10 years were from age 5-15... I didn't exactly have a choice or the wisdom at the time. My folks and I slowly started to notice things like I mentioned over that time. And no, 'everybody' doesn't know(mega church), which is why you have people that give millions to Kennith Copeland so he can have his own fleet of jets. You really need to stop jumping to conclusions and passing judgment, when you really know nothing about me, my life, how much I've studied His word.
I wonder how much money he gets every week from tithes? Seriously I don't see how it is moral to give ten percent of one's income to a religious institution? Considering how the same amount of money can do more good towards charities. Of course I bet a lot of churches would claim the money they take in would go to helping the poor. But then why would we need the church to be the 'middle man', if we could donate the money ourselves, without having to give the church a commission?
i say this in love - you are a parasite. Fact - tithing had nothing to do with money, only food.. Fact - tithing was done ONCE a year and could only be collected in Jerusalem by Levite Priests. Every 3rd year the tithe was to be shared with the disadvantaged as well as Levites. Fact -Levite Priests were paid REAL MONEY in the form of atonement, sin and redemption payments OH U FORGOT TO MENTION THAT EY? Fact - tithes could be exchanged for money and the $ from it could be used to buy alchohol!
I didn't endorse anything. You must have mixed up my comment with someone else's. My comment was people should tithe outside the church if they don't trust churches.
In other words,christians are supposed to tithe money but give what they can afford and still be happy about it.It says in the bible because your god wants a cheerful giver.
How freaking hard is that!!!! You can't understand plain english?
This is the third time today i have corrected you christians using your owns to show many of you how stupid you really are.
Study to show yourself approved,I did,christians clearly have not.
Being with God means being a cheerful giver, who's a cheerful giver here?...... 90% of u dont like giving, Bible says to give tithes, and God also states in the Bible, "if your not with Me, your against Me" i give cheerfully, i fear God....... over Half of you God only has a few words for..... " I never knew you", what are u gonna do on judgement day if He tells u that?
Mr. Driscoll, Where in scripture do you find that "10% is a floor, not a ceiling" or that 10% of anything is valid giving platform for New Covenant Christians? Please don't attack me and characterize selfishness as my motive for asking. I assure you it is not. I have thought you as one that wouldn't add to the scripture...but in the above quote I think you might have.
Offering 100%! Acts 2:44 says it right there. It says everyone in the church should divide up the profits equally so that no one will be poor. After that giving only 10% would be EASY! You will never see this happen though. They want 100% of the 10% they say they are supposed to get. So. Go to Church. When they collect all money. Ask them to divide 90% and keep their 10% and see what they say. After all the Bible says it's YOURS, right?
Chorinthians 2 8/9 speaks nothing on money or tithing at all, its a fabrication that mark has made up himself so you give more MONEY as this is all he really wants to teach you, TO GIVE HIM MORE MONEY, remember people God did not make money MAN did so why is God going to desire you give what you can not afford to give? watch carefully how he presents this to you, note the smirk and pause, does these seem like the actions of an honest man or A GREAT LIER, just follow the bible and your heart.
Listen stiff necked, obstinate, church leader worshiping social club (church members) and their pastor (pimp) first lady (his top whore) deceived people who believe in tithing. God Almighty through His Son Jesus Christ owns the cattle on a thousand hills, He DOES NOT need or want your money. WhY? (If) He want s you to offer your body a "living sacrifice" cf. Romans 12:1. He wants you first and foremost. When he has you has has all that are and have, then you will be a cheerful giver. DISCERNMENT
@cherys600 The person in Malachi that God is referring to stealing from him is NOT the people, it is the Priest. If you read the ENTIRE book you will realize the pronoun "YOU" follows throughout in reference to the Priest stealing the Levites tithe, the people who were under the priest working to help minister and build the temple. Yet they read it backwards to ROB YOU, then accuse you from stealing from God. God is angry at the greedy Priest in Mal 3:8-10 NOT YOU!
He is completely misguided. When he says "they" gave a tenth of their gross. In the first place the only things tithed were from crops and animals. So the only Israelites who were required to tithe were farmers and owners of cattle. Since the levitical priesthood is done away with so is tithing. And no, the tithe has not been continued by substituting money.
This guy is full of crap...I like how he inserts (YOU) for the only people who were allowed to pay the Tithe, which were farmers and herdsmen. It could ONLY be paid in FOOD NOT MONEY. It could NEVER BE PAID IN MONEY. It was simply to help feed Levite Priests and ONLY Israelites were allowed to pay. Do they pay Tithing in Israel now. NO. Why? Cause we are under a new Covenant. Jesus! Which is giving from the heart. The bible says let not your giving be compelled by anyone. (like scam preachers)
ONLY farmers and herdsmen tithed= FOOD SUPPLY to Levites who had no land to raise any and all other POOR. NO ONE ELSE TITHED! The tithe was from the HOLY LAND, FREELY GIVEN to them by God. The people raised HOLY SEED on HOLY ground, pointing to our BREAD FROM HEAVEN- LAMB OF GOD!.! Money is UNCLEAN, made by human hands, earned by works! Money always was FREE WILL Giving, as God does NOT accept works by human hands as a TITHE! TITHES ARE HOLY! FREELY GIVE NOT TITHE!
People need not tithe. There are Christians who will tithe but don't know the person struggling in the pew right next to them and wont love them enough to give to them. Jesus is concerned with believers relieving the financial woes and burdens of the church. Paul at times distributed said funds. Now for people who see their pastor laboring WELL and they withhold from him financial help when he is STRUGGLING just as they should give to any other saint they are in SIN.
Sat in a church the other day and it was a beautiful sunny morning. The church interior was brightly lit by the sun, but the genius' there had several thousand watts of electric bulbs burning to supplement the sun FOR NO REASON. Complete waste of money for electric. Wake up Pastors. You want more tithes? Be responsible. Be a good steward of the tithes. Stop pissing money away and then crying about how you need money.
Quoting from George Carlin (an atheist, but none the less, right on the mark). "God is all knowing, all perfect, all wise, all powerful, but somehow, he just can't handle money, he always NEEDS MONEY!!!" Let's face it, when churches bring in billions every year and don't pay any taxes, but yet church people still need to ask for money for missions, that means their is a GROSS MISMANAGEMENT OF THE FUNDS CHURCHES ALREADY TAKE IN FROM TITHES.
Instead of focusing on what church goers give, how about focusing on what church receivers do with the tithes... let's see... they maintain million dollar building complexes, and maintain bloated staff, and pay organists. Why are church staff taking full-time salaries? Why not conduct church in homes or borrowed buildings like schools (always emtpy on weekends and nights). Nope, 99% of the churches out there got to show off the bling bling with their massive structures and towers.
Maybe the hebrews were able to give 27% because they also didn't have a Federal Tax, a state tax, a SS tax, property tax, gas tax, and all the other oppressive taxes.
Tithes NEVER INCLUDED MONEY!Study Hebrews Chapters 7 - 13. It explains why we no longer follow the Old Covenant ceremonial laws which included tithes from the land, (fruits, vegetables,& grains), as well as tithes from the flocks,(bulls, goats, rams, etc.) NEVER MONEY! Hebrews was written to the Jews who converted to Christianity but were still following Old Covenant laws. Also, please understand that Gentile converts to Christianity were never instructed to follow Old Covenant law
I like xtians way of thanking,don't support your local church but give your money to wal-mart and casinos.
some of you xtians are so stupid, if there is a god i thank him that i aint like you.And I thank you xtians that your cherry picking and twisting the words to suit yourselves will cause your own church to implode in on itself and will be no more. You you have no one to blame but yourselves. HAAAA HAAA
@wwwuraRetard I never said that we aren't to support our local church. I believe in giving abundantly but putting a percentage on it and calling it a tithe is not scriptural. Just because I don't support the false doctrine of tithing does not mean I'm against giving. Scriptures have to be read in their context in order to get a full understanding. The problem is that people today simply accept what someone tells them instead of rightly dividing the word of truth for themselves. That's all.
Never let the car salesman tell you the law says you must give them money!!! I do has I believe Jesus would. To preachers who live in povery. To everyone around me that lives in poverty. Since I follow the new Testiment and only the verses of the old testiment that the new tesitment says to I only give to those who have nothing. However I am of Livite decent so I ask for nothing in return for my teachings which is what Jesus wanted !
2 cor. 8 13-15 talks about giving to be done for the benefit of equality. vs 15 "as it is written, he who gathered much, did not have to much, he who gathered little, did not have too little." If everyone is giving "atleast" 10% how is equality being reached? They'll just all be 10% in the drain together
It seems that pastors/people have this urge to tie in tithing w/ any verse about giving. 2 different subjects. 8 & 9 (his references) have nothing to do with tithing, but giving w/ your heart
Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith.
These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.
@imthemandawg Tithes NEVER INCLUDED MONEY!Study Hebrews Chapters 7 - 13. It explains why we no longer follow the Old Covenant ceremonial laws which included tithes from the land, (fruits, vegetables,& grains), as well as tithes from the flocks,(bulls, goats, rams, etc.) NEVER MONEY! Hebrews was written to the Jews who converted to Christianity but were still following Old Covenant laws. Also, please understand that Gentile converts to Christianity were never instructed to follow Old Covenant law
Hello, my name is the Created and I have a relationship to my Creator that was, is, and ever will be Eternally connected BY THE LOVE IN MY HEART.
Whose Rule? Whose Commandment? WHO IN THE FUCK SAYS I NEED AN INSTITUTION OR BUILDING OR ANOTHER PERSON BETWEEN MYSELF AND MY CREATOR TO FACILITATE OUR LIVING RELATIONSHIP that expands from LOVE alone, not money or offering dishes or visiting a mediator and his institution 1 day per week?
This is the problem with most churches today...95% of this message is exactly dead on and what people need to hear, but he just can't help but to throw his extra little bit in there based on his fears of people not giving and his lack of faith...everything is true except when he says "so what it's saying is 10% isn't the ceiling we try to reach but the floor we start at"...this little tidbit he added is why people don't trust churches or pastors..Christians cut out the middle man in your giving
@jtshep80 The Bible doesn't say give 10% of our gross. That is rubbish & it is annoying to hear him say that. Nor does it say 10% is a starting point! The chap in the video presumably hopes that his congregation will give it to him though. But why on earth would he think he deserves it?
Tithing was FOOD for the Levite priests - nothing to do with money. Nowhere in God's Holy Word does it tell us to give 10% of our money to a church or a greedy pastor or anything else. Wake up people.
"Notice they say GROSS because they get more money than if it was NET. I'm a Christian and I hate church."
If you do not believe what the bible says and do not want to fund church with cheerful giving then I am telling you this out of love. Do not claim yourself as a christian. by definition Christian's will have a desire to do what God wants them to. I am saying this because you hate church. In Revelation the Christian God wants you to be either hot or cold for him not lukewarm.
@musichalloffame I do believe what the Bible says but the difference is that I read it in context. Tithes were given to the Priests of Levi because that tribe did not inherit any land. The 10% was not money, it was food and supplies for clothing for the Priests. It also went to the poor. Many brought money because it was lighter to carry, so they exchanged the money for food and clothing to provide the Priests and poor.
@FAITHandLOGIC OK, from your understanding now I can see where you are coming from all that I read was basically " I am a christian and I hate church" which to me sent up a red flag. Now that I know a little bit more of the context, I can see that just as you said context is very important when you are trying to figure out what something is.
I am sorry, if I offended you it was just when i read the words " I am a christian and I hate church " those words didn't make logical sense to me.
The answer is yes. God asked for only 10%...we don't complain about dropping $1000 gladly towards a big screen TV or 4-$500 on a ticket to a football game. Why should we EVER argue or complain about tithing GOD's money???
mavsman84 5 hours ago
When I went to church as a kid people gave what they could. They didn't have to buy God's love by enriching a false prophet.
HerkimerSnerd 18 hours ago
I used to be one of those "Church = $¢am" types, until I realized how unoriginal it was. Think about it; as if it isn't hard enough to hold ppl's faith and try to give the best advice, preachers don't make squat. If they wanted money, they would be accountants or business majors. I know some youth pastors. It's stressful work. But they chose to dedicate their lives to this calling, and I am more than happy to support my church and fund our activities.
bigredphenom 2 days ago
As children of God we are now a ROYAL PRIESTHOOD, with Jesus Christ being High Priest. So, if the tithe was suppose to go to the PRIESTS, then I should be setting aside the ten% of my income for myself or I give u 10% and u give me 10%, but I definately don't HAVE TO give 10% of my income to a pastor or to a church. However, if God places it in my heart to give something then I will. We must be led by the Spirit not by doctrines of men that nullify the Word of God.
Thia911 1 week ago
If some1 insists that we are still under the law of tithing and quotes old testament passages as proof, then I will have to say READ the Scriptures again. if we are to tithe, then we must of course look to the old test. to see how to tith becus tithing is NOT mentioned in the new test. so, in the old it says that the PRIESTS were to receive the tithe. Interesting becus the New Test. says that all children of God are now PRIESTS!!!! it NEVER says that ONLY PASTORS are priests, but ALL are.
Thia911 1 week ago
I agree with you with grandmastu. It's either we are still under the law or we are under grace. I mean really which one is it? under the old cov. the tithes were ONLY supose to go to the LEVITES. we are NO LONGER under the levitical order. Also, the command of tithing is NEVER mentioned in the new test. Paul only says to give whatever you can out of whatever you have. He mentions NOTHING about HAVING to give 10% every pay check you get.
Thia911 1 week ago
We all are unable to give apart from handing over our responsibility to do so ? I think clearly some people like the whole concept .it allows them to wash their hands of some things .They have to do it blindly .Is your church saying I'll build bigger barns to put what we have in ?? Jesus preached on a hillside . We still have streets for men to preach in .
zwreckless1 1 week ago
The tithe according to most is a way to fund...giving to the poor .I never understood how people are so proud of themselves paying a tithe to a church hoping somehow it will go to a poor person .Isn't it true that something else will get in the way and need paid apart from a hungry person .why are you making your pastor be a good steward with your money ? Has anyone ever been a good steward with money just handed to them ? Work for it and you'll be a good steward of money .inheritances are blown
zwreckless1 1 week ago
@zwreckless1 I agree. I think that paying tithes to the church/pastor is a way of laying the burden of taking care of the poor on the pastor. As long as we pay our tithes we are doing our part, so we are no longer obligated to have to go on the streets and actually MINISTER HANDS ON. we don't have to go and actually feed the poor with the Word of God and with natural food. Christians have become LAZY, wanting to work for money, but not work for the sake of SOULS.
Thia911 1 week ago
Tithing was NEVER meant for new covenant Gentiles. In fact, Tithing was never for the Gentiles. Jesus teaches "giving with a generous heart, what your heart has decided to give" WE DON'T HAVE TO TITHE!!!! TITHING KEEPS YOU UNDER THE LAW. The bible teaches if you keep one part of the law you have to keep all of it otherwise you will be under the curse. Be free, give freely as your heart desires and God will bless you with the measure you give. Give free child of God with a cheerful heart! Be free
jojomarie66 2 weeks ago
So "we don't teach tithing"; but by the time we finish preaching about new covenant giving, you'll wish we did. The OT tithe should not be used as a fulcrum to apply the lever of guilt so that God's sheep contribute more than 10%. Then again, mega-churches run up mega-bills for mega-ministry based on mega-personalities like Driscoll. That's a far cry from the mega-poverty practiced by Christ and his apostles who spread the gospel w/o the internet, hair-gel, or dressing like Tim Hawkins.
theearstohear 3 weeks ago
@andyguitargloucester your points about the true biblical tithe is correct, I wish more Christians would wake up and see the truth.
lunabranwen 3 weeks ago
remember that the tithe went only to the levite. Are the pastors in america levites? NO!. can you answer why it is tha tjews who follow the law do not tithe?
MrSantikos 4 weeks ago
What Mark has failed to note is that tithing was only required of food producers. Other occupations in Israel did not tithe. The tithe was not voluntary, and was taken as a tax. Christians do not just give 3 or 4% as he misleadingly suggests, but also pay taxes. Some of this goes to the poor in welfare payments. Tithes were given to the priests but the priests were forbidden to own property. In the New Testament St Paul was unpaid. No one put up church buildings. No large salaries for preachers.
andyguitargloucester 1 month ago
@andyguitargloucester hurray some one who gets it
gingernutpreacher 3 weeks ago
@andyguitargloucester haha good point man... if preachers are intent on recieving tithes then they should at least be forbidden to own property of any kind and be subject to the same laws and regulations that governed Levite priests. They want it both ways though.. they want your cash and then they want to cash in on everything around them!
etherform66 2 weeks ago
I'd really love to know how this pastor actually hands over the tithes to the Lord. Or is he just another greedy Creflo wannabe making 1 annual salary per 10 punters on the pews? Please do not insult our intelligence. I bet there is not any cash distributed to the poorest members of the congregation / parish either which was the original idea.
WTU208 1 month ago
Jesus needs a jet folks, you better tithe. This aint no synagogue!
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Tithing is always compulsory. I like how Mark confuses giving with the tithing the Corinthian church did not tithe. They gave money freely but it was not an ongoing thing. Paul states that this is not a commandment for you to do so. Tithing is not in the new covenant. Giving is another matter yes if we have it, and we can give it. We are free from all obligations. God made right with us because we could not. so many Christians live under the old testament welcome to the new testament people.
maskiavelli 1 month ago
you give what the Lord puts on your heart, so If he tells you to sell all and give it to the poor like he told someone before then you should do it. I personally don't have percent that I give but when he lays something on my heart I do it. but we are all called to help one another in someway, shape, or form. last number I seen is like 70% of people on Earth lives off less then $2 a day. so even the poorest in America is filthy rich compared to others in the world. lets all do our part and help.
Robinhagar 1 month ago
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Exdous Chapter 20:vers.17 The truth about giving. Thou shalt not covet any thing that is thy neighbour's. The 10th commandment.
brotherfrank62 2 months ago
dont listen to him...give anytime you feel you need to...once a month...once a year...look after your family first if not...your like an unbeliever. These people are thugs, robbers, minipulators and liars
aubhar 2 months ago
@aubhar dude thats what he said... give what the Lord puts on your heart whether its 2 cents or all that you have... Jesus has told someone before to give all that he had and he could do it to you or me. would you listen if he did? thats a tough question but there was a time I gave my last 100$ that was suppose to use to buy food for my family but I obeyed and I admit it was hard to walk by faith like that but long story short my cabinets were overflowing few days later from unknown sources
Robinhagar 1 month ago
This guy is a false preacher and a wolf. My upside down cross means I'm not worthy and Im a sinner.
aubhar 2 months ago
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Tithing is NOT for New Covenant believers.
For proof, read:
"Mystery Revealed: Why Millions of Christian Tithers are Broke" on my blog.
RevolutionEraBlog 2 months ago
Pay ye all the tithe!
Grandmastu 2 months ago
@Grandmastu hey just curious. There were 613 OT laws, how come you select ONE from among them - and ignore the other 612?
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jodihummel 1 month ago
tithes where giving only to the Levite priests only...and none of these pastors looks like Levite priests to me :-P
scottyvjs 2 months ago
Many of you guys like to bash Driscoll just because he is too honest. Nothing he says is unbiblical at all. Don't be deceived into thinking that God doesn't want us to sacrifice out of our abundance to him. The fact that people are offended by this shows that are hearts are corrupted. Like he says is an issue of worship. If we truly loved God we would have no problem giving 10%, 25%, or all of what we have if that's what he asks of us.
do2aOnts 2 months ago 14
@do2aOnts The fact that people are offended by this shows that they see the folly of the argument: Give God the money you yourself earn? God, as German philosopher Max Stirner observed, is nothing but an egoist. Why is egoism so detestable in humanity but so admirable in God? Me, I follow Stirner's example: "Let me then likewise concern myself for myself, who am equally with God the nothing of all others, who am my all, who am the only one."
Apmhflick 1 month ago
@do2aOnts driscol is no honest! he says "10% of YOUR gross would go to FUND the ministry of priests, pastors etc" ONLY those in primary industries were commanded to tithe - NO ONE ELSE - once a year - NEVER IN MONEY! he says "in addition 10% would go to feasts etc" this occured once every 3 years, not annualy AND WAS FOR THE POOR! 3.3% to the poor is not ADDITIONAL to this, it is the INCLUSIVE percentage of the 3 tithes (Num18, Det14, Det26) - his intention is to confuse ignorant people
etherform66 1 month ago
@etherform66 agread
gingernutpreacher 3 weeks ago
No -- the problem with Driscoll is that he is WRONG:
▪ At 0:30 he says the "tithe" was "a 10th of the gross" that went to "Levites, pastors and priests in the Old Testament to fund ministry". That is a LIE.
▪ The primary tithe was a 10th of produce given YEARLY by the people to the Levites, who functioned not only as temple attendants, but as teachers and civil servants. There were no "pastors" anywhere around.
This video shows why I don't like Driscoll. He talks TOO much and TOO fast.
NYTNinAmerica 1 month ago
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anonymous915 3 weeks ago
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@do2aOnts The collections in the NT were always for those that had less. In the OT it was only those who made their living off the land that tithed.
anonymous915 3 weeks ago
driscoll is a outright liar and thief. He says '10% is only the starting point (alluding to OT tithing) yet he also says, "we dont teach tithing" (3:45) just give cheerfully - "as long as 10% or more of that cheerful giving is offered" is what is insinuated. I wish I could "lay hands on him" - he would steal the money off a single mother with a crying baby or pensioner without a second thought... all in the name of Jesus... Your a disgrace driscoll.. a seat is reserved in the lake of fire 4u
etherform66 2 months ago
@etherform66 Don't talk like that to a son of God... God loves his sons. Your heart is not soft and generous but hard and easy to attack other people in defending your selfish ways.
racenuke 2 months ago
@racenuke why are you calling me selfish? I believe that preachers that rob people of their cash deserve to be confronted. Tithing is done away with - why cant pastors just be honest about it? These men are supposed to be moral and spiritual beacons for us but they use their postion to enslave and cheat.
etherform66 2 months ago
@etherform66 hey come on man. we're called to love. he still speaks truth in the word of God. dont judge bro. Jesus loves him.
ChaeBombz 2 months ago
@ChaeBombz true word mate. Jesus does love him. The Spirit of Christ is unchanging though - what would Christ say to the vast majority of evangelical preachers today, who twist the gospel message for fithy lucres sake? I think He would say (Mat 15:9) "in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men" What's your take on tithing mate?
etherform66 2 months ago
If we really had to sow money to receive God’s blessings, it wouldn’t be called “grace” anymore because it is in the fact that it took everything we deserved (punishment for sin) and placed it on Jesus and that it freely gave us everything which we didn’t deserve, namely forgiveness, blessings, salvation, healing, etc. So teaching people that they need to tithe first in order for God to bless them, is essentially throwing God’s free gift back into His face and opting to buy it from Him instead.
BigE7 2 months ago
such a joke... worship with money?? God blesses you according to you money? to what you give? If you are reading this right now, Im here to tell you that there is nothing else God will bless you with that you don't already have. When you understand that your giving is endless, but the church preaches response and reward, which demonizes the true power of God in us to think beyond where we are but how to transform into who we should be.
ISGLLC 2 months ago
This man speaks lie and mock people acusing them that they have corrupted heart. I was tithing 5 years with no problem at all becasue they are teach me that i should do that. But today, 12 years after I have found in the Bible truth about tithing, and you cannot find any verse about tithing in new covenant, but about cheerful GIVING!!! Can you see the diference?!!!
ivanasimic1 2 months ago
NO. In new covenant we are not under the law and most of us are not even Jews. Tithing was given for Levites, poor, widows and strangers. Now, we are His temple and we are His priests. You cannot mix old & new!! Simple as that.
ivanasimic1 2 months ago
@ivanasimic1 spot on mate. Gone are the days when you can trust 'men of God' and take them at their word. I confronted my pastor years ago about the theocratic deception of the tithe and he said "i know tithing is not for today ...its not my place to change things" He continued preaching tithe messages sunday after sunday anyway. I left the 'church' and my life has been blessed more that I could have imagined :) 15 years of being deliberately misled and stooged. Incredible.
etherform66 2 months ago
i belong to no denomination .. if you cant see that he OT Law has been done away with you need not pray for my eyes to be opened.. your already blind...
etherform66 2 months ago
All the best I am assuming you are Jehovah witnesss then I will pray for you so that the Holy Ghost opens your spiritual eyes before is too late. God bless
Kattigra11 2 months ago
I am ending this argument here. It seems we have different understandings of the word of God. We are located in opposite directions and for us to come to some form of agreement one of us have to move to one direction. I will not move towards your direction and it seems that will not move to my direction so lets end it. Take care
Kattigra11 2 months ago
@Kattigra11 what direction are you moving in notkat? the one away from scriptural truth? Ok.. please do your homework before commenting on things you have no idea about notkat.. you and your ill informed followers are on borrowed time.. you take care now too ..ok? we are watching you
etherform66 2 months ago
ps, the doctrine of hell is a lie from the mind of satan himself and i notice that you still rain down platitudes on me without substantiating your position with scripture. How is it ok to pick one of 613 OT laws and insist that men follow it and not the rest? WHY NO KAT?
etherform66 2 months ago
No problem, I know that we are often carried away with this type of discussions and that is the reason Paul urges not get involved in such discussions. Now you are focusing on these 612 OT laws and I am focussing on the ten commandment laws. We were under the curse of these laws but because of what the Lord has done for us we are free from these curses.
Kattigra11 2 months ago
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Problem 1. What do we pay 10% against? Gross income, net income (after taxes, ss, etc?) or net AFTER ALL living expenses are paid (rent, utilities, food, insurance, car, gasoline, maintainence--IOW, on your net INCREASE, which is what is left over after all necessary living expenses are paid for?
Problem 2. Can we give our 10% to the local Women's Shelter or the neighborhood soup kitchen?
Problem 3. Do we give anonymously--with no thought of a gov't kick-back (tax write off)?
42apostate 2 months ago
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2 Corinthians 9:6-7 6But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.7Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
imthemandawg 3 months ago
I noticed this man doesn't read the bible, just loosely quotes. Must be the Contemptable service.
wesbilly 3 months ago
Sounds like a marginal tax rate, yep, that's what it was...
wesbilly 3 months ago
Spoken like a man with a mortgage, the bible says don't borrow.
wesbilly 3 months ago
Thithing is not a choice is a commandment and those that choose to follow God's commandments are called the son of God. God Bless.
Kattigra11 4 months ago
@Kattigra11 it's not a commandment at all
csoul7811 3 months ago
@Kattigra11 sacrificing animals and stoning disobedient children to death was also a commandment of Elohim Kat... why do you ignore the 612 laws of Elohim and focus on one in particular? is being a son of god dependant of the observaiton of laws?
etherform66 3 months ago
@etherform66 I must remind you that there were many reasons why animals were being sacrificed in the Old Testament but the most of the reason was to get redemption of sin. However this is no longer necessary because Jesus was our lamb and therefore He has redeemed us. Moreover, Jesus commanded us to love one another which automatically reversed the commandment of an eye for an eye and tooth for tooth. Please read the Gospel so that you can get further understanding. God Bless.
Kattigra11 2 months ago
@Kattigra11 there were 613 Old Testament laws that the people of Elohim were commanded to observe. How is it that out of the 613 you pick the one that has the potential to make you cash and forget the rest? You are a hypocrite and a deciever. You dont get to pick and choose.
etherform66 2 months ago
@etherform66 No need for offence for i did not offend you in any way. I am a believer and I am not a preacher. I bring the tithe to the house of God as I believe I should. Do you think if I am earning £50000 per year would I want to choose to give tithe? think about it. I will not call you names because I am not getting down to your level. If you think I am a hypocrite and a deceiver you are not better than me because you are taking God's judgement chair. God Bless.
Kattigra11 2 months ago
@Kattigra11 My tax records indicated I gave more than ten percent in past yrs.other times less but I do not believe under the New Testament God will curse you for not giving a set amount unless the Holy Spirit guides you to. Gal.3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us:....
NotFlaking 2 months ago
@Kattigra11 I actually am committed to giving more than ten percent of my time talent & treasure for the Lord but not to dodge an Old Covenant curse. We are under the New Covenant of Grace. My church does not demand tithing paying but Grace. I think the Holy Spirit is well capable of leading guiding and convicting his redeemed on how much to give.
NotFlaking 2 months ago
@Kattigra11 i didnt mean to offend .. please forgive me. You still have not addressed my remark, Kat. You have dodged around it and rained platitudes upon me. Why have you ignored the 612 remaining OT laws and zeroed in on the one that, if twisted enough, you could use to fleece people of thier cash with? You are a debtor to the whole law if you pick one aspect of it to live by. I await you reply.,
etherform66 2 months ago
@etherform66 Jesus clearly told us that through loving God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength, and to love your neighbour with all your heart you fulfil all these commandments without realising that you are actually doing, as we are not justified by works but by faith in Jesus Christ and that is why love covers a multitude of sins.
Kattigra11 2 months ago
@etherform66 However, the act of bringing the tithe and offering to the church is a way of honouring and showing our love towards our God and a form of thanks God for giving us the ability to stand, to work, to wake up in the morning to get the bread. This also shows our recognition that God is above all things in our lives even money.
Kattigra11 2 months ago
@etherform66 Therefore, all that matters is that you are saved and that you will not spend eternity in hell and whether bringing the tithe to the church is wrong I honestly don’t think that the Lord will throw me into hell because I brought money to the church. The most that is happening is that I am losing my money and if I am losing my money to help the church save souls so be it. My soul is much more valuable than any amount of paper that is in this life. My name is not Kat.God Bless.
Kattigra11 2 months ago
@Kattigra11 not Kat, do you realise that the OT tithe had NOTHING AT ALL to do with money? (unless Jerusalem was too far for you to take the tithe to, in that case you could sell the tithe for money and but alcohol to celebrate with!) If you are so commited to keeping true to the OT tithe, you would be bringing wine, oil, honey, grain and livestock to a bunch of people who interceeded for you before Elohim. Do you do this?
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NotFlaking 2 months ago
@NotFlaking . This word 'it is finished' simply means that before Jesus arrival man were cursed by the Law of Moses as through the law sin entered the world and death through sin, therefore we were all destined to die Romans 5:12. Due our sinful nature we were not qualified to enter God’s presence as there was a veil separating us from God but Jesus tore the veil, death lost their grip on those who are born of the spirit and this is what Christ means ’ it is finished’.
Kattigra11 2 months ago
@Kattigra11 Romans 10:4 Christ is the end of the law for righteousness for every believer.
I agree with your statement. Jesus also fulfilled the law Luke 24:44 and is the fulfillment of the law. Only someone sinless could fulfill the law perfectly. You'd have to be sin free!.
NotFlaking 2 months ago
@NotFlaking while I agree with you that we are under grace, Grace isn't a licence to live in sin. That is why you must be born again so that you have a new aand obedient spirit. Certain teaching cannot be revealed by flesh and blood but by the spirit alone.
We are not justified by works but because of our love for the Lord we no longer want to live in sin. So please get some understanding because many christians are destroyed by lack of knowledge. God Bless.
Kattigra11 2 months ago
@Kattigra11 Romans 5:21 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: Romans 6:1What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound?
Romans 6:2 May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?
NotFlaking 2 months ago
@NotFlaking If u read my comments properly you will get a better understanding of whatI am saying. I clearly explained that those who are truly born of the spirit are not under the law as the law was never made to save us but to make us understand that we needed a savior due to our siniful nature. However, there are two commandments that we do it as a result of our love love for God and not by works but by grace, but you must be born again. Please read Lke 10:27. This is my last word. God Bless
Kattigra11 2 months ago
Kattigra11 You just taught what the word says. Amen!
NotFlaking 2 months ago
@Kattigra11 Romans 10:4 Christ is the end of the law for righteousness for every believer.
We now have the internal work of the Holy Spirit indwelling to enable every Christian to live right, we don't need those external laws on tables of stone. They only revealed what was expected but they had no power to transform or make us new creations in Christ.
Romans 8:3 What the law could not do God did by sending his Son ....
NotFlaking 2 months ago
If you choose not to tithe you are just being disobedient to the word of God simple as that. This is written throughout Malachi and Jesus commanded us to give to give to God what belongs to God. If you think worshiping is to give what you are happy to give than you better think again because faith requires you to give even in uncertainty. Therefore, if God is not worthy for you to trust in Him with your increasings than you are worshiping the wrong God which I suppose is your money. God Bless
Kattigra11 4 months ago
@Kattigra11 Tithing is an Old Covenant law. You cite Malachi, from the Old Testament. We are now under the New Covenant of grace, and we give because it is our nature to give, not out of duty. Those pastors who teach tithing are either ignorant of the difference between the Old and New Covenants, or are purposely deceiving their congregation.
markvilen 3 months ago
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If are under "grace" why didn't Jesus rebuke the poor widow who put all the money she had to live on in the offering plate?
imthemandawg 3 months ago
@imthemandawg The poor widow proves my point. Jesus commended her for giving from her heart. I'm not against giving, just the Old Covenant law of tithing. Even if the widow (hypothetically) was giving her tithe, she was living during the time of law (The Old Covenant). The New Covenant didn't take effect until after Jesus' crucifixion.
markvilen 3 months ago
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NotFlaking 2 months ago
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@imthemandawg That woman was a Jew & she was not yet under grace but the law, Jesus had not died on the cross and said paid in full yet.U need to know who Jesus was speaking to (Jew or Gentile) and which Covenant was in effect at the time he says something.
NotFlaking 2 months ago
@markvilen I agree. This teaching is a stubborn stronghold just like trying to convince some Roman Catholics they don't have to say a thousand Hail Mary's or pray the Rosary to get God to forgive or bless them. Here is what the bible says about people trying to earn God's free gift of daily grace by their own merit:
Gal. 5:4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.
NotFlaking 2 months ago
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@markvilen Hi thanks for replying to my comment. Can I just remind you Mathew 5:17 Jesus clearly states that he came to fulfil the law and not to destroy it. While those who are truly born again are not justified by the law of Moses the greatest commandment which was also a commandment of the old testament is love the Lord with all your heart, mind, strength, and soul, and the second is love your neighbour like yourself Luke 10;27.
Kattigra11 2 months ago
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@markvilen . As grace causes us to repent and to put our trust in Jesus Christ and through a personal relationship we learn to love Christ with all our mind, strength, and soul, and to love our neighbour as we love our self, through this love we will desire to be obedient to God and eventually we will naturally cover all other commandments but this is done only by the Grace of God.
Kattigra11 2 months ago
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@markvilen . As grace causes us to repent and to put our trust in Jesus Christ and through a personal relationship we learn to love Christ with all our mind, strength, and soul, and to love our neighbour as we love our self, through this love we will desire to be obedient to God and eventually we will naturally cover all other commandments but this is done only by the Grace of God.
Kattigra11 2 months ago
@markvilen In Mathew 22:40 Jesus says on these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets and the beauty about fulfilling these two commandments is that I don’t have to force because only the Grace of God I am able to do anything. Therefore, we don’t give tithes; we bring tithes to the house of God because we love God and because we are concerned for the salvation of souls as money still require to reach the lost.
Kattigra11 2 months ago
@markvilen The problem with many Christians is that they have not really got born again, they make Jesus their saviour but not their lord, and their natural being hasn’t died. They still do what the flesh wants to do and then justified themselves by saying ‘I am under the grace’. If you really are under Grace you wouldn’t want to do the things of the flesh. Even if you do these things you would truly repent and put your trust in Jesus to deliver you from these things. God Bless.
Kattigra11 2 months ago
In case there are other people reading my comments, let me sum up. I do not tithe, but I do give cheerfully as the Lord leads without hesitation. I do not live extravagantly but within my means. Nor do I expect God to bless me $ more if I give more, however giving does bless my heart. If you choose not to tithe, don't let that keep you from continuing to "give out of your abundance"-2 Cor. 8 in some shape or form. If you pay your bills & have nothing extra to share, don't feel guilty. God Bless
Free2DanceForever 4 months ago
i do tith my cleaning JOB 10% but i dont tithe social scuurity
jannerww 4 months ago
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millionairenow15 4 months ago
NOTE: thats not to say you should give 50% to church, you can donate it straight to anything you want, if you want.
sanctimoniousennui 4 months ago
Pastors get a salary, unrelated to offertory. The rest is split up into mission, mission, keeping the church running and more mission.
If you don't want to give, don't, but it probably says something about your faith, that you should think about. You should probably also think about where it says to "love your neighbour as yourself". That sort of feels like a spend as much money on them as you would yourself i.e. /minimum/ 50%. You could probs live on 10-20% of what you make.
sanctimoniousennui 4 months ago
@sanctimoniousennui Maybe you are talking to someone specific, but I haven't read all the comments. At first glance I had to laugh at you saying, "you could probably live on 10-20% of what you make". Most people need at least 25-28% of there income towards rent/house payment alone. Maybe the rich can live on 10-20% if they lived like I do and gave away the rest, but I don't know any of those people, and it's not up to me or you to tell anyone how much money they should have.
Free2DanceForever 4 months ago
@Free2DanceForever Uhuh. Now how big is your house? Can you move somewhere smaller/further away and still survive? I'm pretty sure yes. Also, the "you" here is people on the internet. That is to say you're already in the top 3% of the world or something if you have a computer and internet. There are people out there living on $2 AUD (I'm Australian) a day (after conversion rates, like how its cheaper to buy stuff in other countries. So this is AUD in real terms. Look at livebelowthelineDOTcom
sanctimoniousennui 4 months ago
@sanctimoniousennui We do not own a home yet. We are a newlywed couple that live in a small apartment with very little storage space for basic needs. Still, if we see a need, have the means to help it, and the Lord leads us to, we do not hesitate and we don't cry a bit over it. I'm not sure what $2 AUD is in American dollars, but I do know that $2 American dollars couldn't even FEED my household of 2 for a day even if all we ate was macaroni and cheese for all three meals, which isn't healthy.
Free2DanceForever 4 months ago
@Free2DanceForever Also I love how people start flaming when it comes to money and with all his other videos it has almost no dowvotes. Hello people? Money as an idol much?
I understand I don't have the full picture, I spend so much money on non-necessities, because I'm a 17yo uni bum with my parents paying everything for me, but as a CHristian, money is not my God. If its yours, you need to reconsider. Or just stop saying you're a Christian. Up to you.
sanctimoniousennui 4 months ago
@sanctimoniousennui This is one topic that I do get "flaming" mad over, and for good reason. You said (and I know it is true) that even having the internet, we are in the top 3% of riches. The topic of tithing in the Christian church is not about helping the poor in the world. I'm all for helping the poor. James 1:27 says pure religion is helping the orphans and widows in their needs. The people I know of that could stand to live with less are the church leaders who receive tithes.
Free2DanceForever 4 months ago
For example. The head pastor at a mega church I went to for 10 years here in my state, lived in a $400,000 house. Ever other pastor there also had, what I would consider, an extravagantly large nice home. ALL paid for by tithes. Many of the televangalists on TCT (Christian television) are notorious for being found out to live in HUGE mansions and having private jets, all paid for by tithes, but if anyone who has given to them (so they can live lavishly) pleads for ($)help, they are rejected.
Free2DanceForever 4 months ago
@Free2DanceForever Whoops, it seems the purchasing power of $2AUD is $1.25USD, even though currency conversions say its 1AUD to 0.967USD.
This includes electricity if you can afford it, fuel (heating), water, school, don't even think about getting sick, there's no way you can pay for it, shelter, clothing.
1.4 billion people live like that. Lined up shoulder to shoulder they snake around the equator 54 times. And you complain that you don't have enough to give away. Are you freaking kidding me?
sanctimoniousennui 4 months ago
@Free2DanceForever You have no idea what the hunger is like. Sure you've been hungry before, but chronic hunger, where you can't just go out and buy food after, the constant thinking about your next meal, your inability to think straight, being grateful for the most bland food.
For $500 a year AUD you can keep a kid in Qinghai, China at school, pay for their entire living expenses, and give them a better life. And noone does it. Thats under $50 a month. I spend $50 a /week/ on food.
sanctimoniousennui 4 months ago
@sanctimoniousennui You are getting off topic. Facts about the world's poverty is a separate issue, and one I would not argue with, since I know we can all stand to give to the poor more than we do. We are not talking about giving to the poor. I never was talking about giving to the poor. And you seemed to ignore that I said I do give to the poor...
Free2DanceForever 4 months ago
@sanctimoniousennui (pt.2) The topic at hand is, "Is it Biblical for New Testament Christians to tithe"? I've studied this before, but I plan on studying it again, since I didn't document my findings well. You may keep an eye out for a video I am praying about posting, when I've finished the study. In the meantime ask yourself this rhetorical question: Why is the tithe literally the only Old Testament Law that Christian pastors still hold on to?
Free2DanceForever 4 months ago
@Free2DanceForever Are you kidding? I'm pretty sure most pastors would be pretty pro-ten commandments. But seriously, who holds onto the tithe? Tithing in the here and now is much like keeping the Sabbath holy. Its just an easy way of keeping track of where you put God and others in your life. Obviously you should give more. I'm not saying it has to be directly to the church, and not 10% thats the point.
sanctimoniousennui 4 months ago
@sanctimoniousennui Firstly, the ten commandments are a basic right and wrong. They are different, I think you will agree, than the animal sacrifices, sundry laws, Levitical laws(including tithe), what you can and cannot eat laws, etc. Secondly, under the Old Covenant, if any of the ten commandments were broken, the offender would be stoned to death (Deut.). Does your pastor do this? I doubt it, because according Paul (Gal.) Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, becoming a curse for us.
Free2DanceForever 4 months ago
@sanctimoniousennui P.s.I'm glad you're not saying it has to be directly to a church institution or exactly 10%,because that is MY only point. But you still seem to neglect attention to the fact that you do not know me, how I live, what my income is or how much I give (nor are my financial decisions the business of yours to know or judge) So you can't 'obviously' know that I need to give more. My attitude is far from stingy. I just can't stand the unBiblical teachings going on. This is 1 of many
Free2DanceForever 4 months ago
@Free2DanceForever The thing is, theres this ridiculous perspective in popular culture that the average Australian/American/Englishman is somehow hard done by and struggling to get along. Noone has any clue how ridiculous this is in context, and are all suffering from paradigm paralysis and so they complain about how little they have, and how they can't afford to give anything away. Not even a pathetic 10% to your main source of spiritual food.
sanctimoniousennui 4 months ago
@sanctimoniousennui I can actually agree with you here. I don't see myself as suffering. I see myself, rather, as extremely blessed (even though I live with way less than the average American, I still have a roof over my head, never go hungry, and always have clothing) As Paul said to Timothy "That we have food and clothing we ought be content." I'm aware that my culture (pretty much the world in general) is very materialistic. And money mindsets need to be put in a better perspective of others.
Free2DanceForever 4 months ago
@sanctimoniousennui Not every church handles money the same way; so try to be careful about making broad covering statements like that. I need you to really think about this. All of the churches I know of, get their cash intake from tithes and/or offerings. Which means that in order for the pastors to get a salary at all, the intake has to be consistent. Tithes aren't really gifts, if they are obligatory; so it can hardly be called 'giving'.
Free2DanceForever 4 months ago
@Free2DanceForever (cont from before about knowing where my money goes) I have steady pastors and teachers, with a strong biblical basis and, at least a little, I talk to them and know them and what they're like.
It is giving, you're called to under grace. As I said, if you don't want to give it to your church, don't. This is for Christians, if you're not a Christian keep coming and don't give by all means, but
1. Don't delude yourself into thinking you are and
2. Money may just be your God
sanctimoniousennui 4 months ago
@Free2DanceForever You can also donate directly as aforementioned, or, If you do have a strong church and you're benefitting from their ministry, give to them(while being diescerning).
Prosperity gospel makes me want to balk and breeds unhappy non Christians and happy false preachers.
Also, why on earth would you be giving less under grace than under the law? Thats ridiculous.
This last post isnt making much sense but I just neede to wrap up everyting I wanted to say. Yeah.
sanctimoniousennui 4 months ago
@sanctimoniousennui I said before that it is not up to you or I to determine how much anyone else should give or live on. God made each of us a steward of our own gifts. 'Love your neighbor as yourself' simply means to think of the needs and feelings of others before your own. Look at 2 Cor. 8. At that time they took offerings for the poor in Jerusalem. And Paul said about giving, "It is for the sake of equality. Your abundance for their need, and their abundance for your need."
Free2DanceForever 4 months ago
@Free2DanceForever $2AUD comes to just under $2USD. If you buy generic brand milk, flour, lentils, some fruit and rolled oats you can make it. Mebs onions cause they're also cheap.
Now why the hell were you at this mega church. Everyone knows that their theology is wrong, false prophets, completely delusional and siphon money off the masses. /Please/ be a bit more discerning in your church picking. I know where my money goes to at my church, the half yearly budgets are open for eveyone to see.
sanctimoniousennui 4 months ago
@sanctimoniousennui Those 10 years were from age 5-15... I didn't exactly have a choice or the wisdom at the time. My folks and I slowly started to notice things like I mentioned over that time. And no, 'everybody' doesn't know(mega church), which is why you have people that give millions to Kennith Copeland so he can have his own fleet of jets. You really need to stop jumping to conclusions and passing judgment, when you really know nothing about me, my life, how much I've studied His word.
Free2DanceForever 4 months ago
I wonder how much money he gets every week from tithes? Seriously I don't see how it is moral to give ten percent of one's income to a religious institution? Considering how the same amount of money can do more good towards charities. Of course I bet a lot of churches would claim the money they take in would go to helping the poor. But then why would we need the church to be the 'middle man', if we could donate the money ourselves, without having to give the church a commission?
barbiquearea 4 months ago
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wwwuraRetard 4 months ago
i say this in love - you are a parasite. Fact - tithing had nothing to do with money, only food.. Fact - tithing was done ONCE a year and could only be collected in Jerusalem by Levite Priests. Every 3rd year the tithe was to be shared with the disadvantaged as well as Levites. Fact -Levite Priests were paid REAL MONEY in the form of atonement, sin and redemption payments OH U FORGOT TO MENTION THAT EY? Fact - tithes could be exchanged for money and the $ from it could be used to buy alchohol!
etherform66 4 months ago
If you feel like churches are all robbers then use your tithe to give to worthy (Christian) organizations outside the church.
merrittdude 5 months ago
@merrittdude you endorse this anti-Christ swill, peddled by evangelical pastors who put cash in front of Christs atoning death ey?
etherform66 4 months ago
@etherform66
I didn't endorse anything. You must have mixed up my comment with someone else's. My comment was people should tithe outside the church if they don't trust churches.
merrittdude 4 months ago
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In other words,christians are supposed to tithe money but give what they can afford and still be happy about it.It says in the bible because your god wants a cheerful giver.
How freaking hard is that!!!! You can't understand plain english?
This is the third time today i have corrected you christians using your owns to show many of you how stupid you really are.
Study to show yourself approved,I did,christians clearly have not.
Another christian corrected by an atheist
wwwuraRetard 4 months ago
Them All Star Honnies are some Bop Joints.......
viniciuseneeme 5 months ago
Being with God means being a cheerful giver, who's a cheerful giver here?...... 90% of u dont like giving, Bible says to give tithes, and God also states in the Bible, "if your not with Me, your against Me" i give cheerfully, i fear God....... over Half of you God only has a few words for..... " I never knew you", what are u gonna do on judgement day if He tells u that?
McKayproductions1 5 months ago
Mr. Driscoll, Where in scripture do you find that "10% is a floor, not a ceiling" or that 10% of anything is valid giving platform for New Covenant Christians? Please don't attack me and characterize selfishness as my motive for asking. I assure you it is not. I have thought you as one that wouldn't add to the scripture...but in the above quote I think you might have.
beneperry 6 months ago
Offering 100%! Acts 2:44 says it right there. It says everyone in the church should divide up the profits equally so that no one will be poor. After that giving only 10% would be EASY! You will never see this happen though. They want 100% of the 10% they say they are supposed to get. So. Go to Church. When they collect all money. Ask them to divide 90% and keep their 10% and see what they say. After all the Bible says it's YOURS, right?
SacredSocietyAP 6 months ago
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SacredSocietyAP 6 months ago
Chorinthians 2 8/9 speaks nothing on money or tithing at all, its a fabrication that mark has made up himself so you give more MONEY as this is all he really wants to teach you, TO GIVE HIM MORE MONEY, remember people God did not make money MAN did so why is God going to desire you give what you can not afford to give? watch carefully how he presents this to you, note the smirk and pause, does these seem like the actions of an honest man or A GREAT LIER, just follow the bible and your heart.
CaptianHerbalist 6 months ago
Listen stiff necked, obstinate, church leader worshiping social club (church members) and their pastor (pimp) first lady (his top whore) deceived people who believe in tithing. God Almighty through His Son Jesus Christ owns the cattle on a thousand hills, He DOES NOT need or want your money. WhY? (If) He want s you to offer your body a "living sacrifice" cf. Romans 12:1. He wants you first and foremost. When he has you has has all that are and have, then you will be a cheerful giver. DISCERNMENT
truth1disciple 6 months ago 2
@cherys600 The person in Malachi that God is referring to stealing from him is NOT the people, it is the Priest. If you read the ENTIRE book you will realize the pronoun "YOU" follows throughout in reference to the Priest stealing the Levites tithe, the people who were under the priest working to help minister and build the temple. Yet they read it backwards to ROB YOU, then accuse you from stealing from God. God is angry at the greedy Priest in Mal 3:8-10 NOT YOU!
SacredSocietyAP 6 months ago
He is completely misguided. When he says "they" gave a tenth of their gross. In the first place the only things tithed were from crops and animals. So the only Israelites who were required to tithe were farmers and owners of cattle. Since the levitical priesthood is done away with so is tithing. And no, the tithe has not been continued by substituting money.
glipzik 6 months ago 2
This guy is full of crap...I like how he inserts (YOU) for the only people who were allowed to pay the Tithe, which were farmers and herdsmen. It could ONLY be paid in FOOD NOT MONEY. It could NEVER BE PAID IN MONEY. It was simply to help feed Levite Priests and ONLY Israelites were allowed to pay. Do they pay Tithing in Israel now. NO. Why? Cause we are under a new Covenant. Jesus! Which is giving from the heart. The bible says let not your giving be compelled by anyone. (like scam preachers)
SacredSocietyAP 6 months ago
MERE ASSUMPTIONS!
ONLY farmers and herdsmen tithed= FOOD SUPPLY to Levites who had no land to raise any and all other POOR. NO ONE ELSE TITHED! The tithe was from the HOLY LAND, FREELY GIVEN to them by God. The people raised HOLY SEED on HOLY ground, pointing to our BREAD FROM HEAVEN- LAMB OF GOD!.! Money is UNCLEAN, made by human hands, earned by works! Money always was FREE WILL Giving, as God does NOT accept works by human hands as a TITHE! TITHES ARE HOLY! FREELY GIVE NOT TITHE!
sissifan1968 6 months ago
People need not tithe. There are Christians who will tithe but don't know the person struggling in the pew right next to them and wont love them enough to give to them. Jesus is concerned with believers relieving the financial woes and burdens of the church. Paul at times distributed said funds. Now for people who see their pastor laboring WELL and they withhold from him financial help when he is STRUGGLING just as they should give to any other saint they are in SIN.
BassicallyChristian 6 months ago
Sat in a church the other day and it was a beautiful sunny morning. The church interior was brightly lit by the sun, but the genius' there had several thousand watts of electric bulbs burning to supplement the sun FOR NO REASON. Complete waste of money for electric. Wake up Pastors. You want more tithes? Be responsible. Be a good steward of the tithes. Stop pissing money away and then crying about how you need money.
DuhEnlightenedOne 7 months ago
I agree with jtshep80 post.Sunday 7-8-2011
111michael11 7 months ago
Quoting from George Carlin (an atheist, but none the less, right on the mark). "God is all knowing, all perfect, all wise, all powerful, but somehow, he just can't handle money, he always NEEDS MONEY!!!" Let's face it, when churches bring in billions every year and don't pay any taxes, but yet church people still need to ask for money for missions, that means their is a GROSS MISMANAGEMENT OF THE FUNDS CHURCHES ALREADY TAKE IN FROM TITHES.
DuhEnlightenedOne 7 months ago
Instead of focusing on what church goers give, how about focusing on what church receivers do with the tithes... let's see... they maintain million dollar building complexes, and maintain bloated staff, and pay organists. Why are church staff taking full-time salaries? Why not conduct church in homes or borrowed buildings like schools (always emtpy on weekends and nights). Nope, 99% of the churches out there got to show off the bling bling with their massive structures and towers.
DuhEnlightenedOne 7 months ago
Maybe the hebrews were able to give 27% because they also didn't have a Federal Tax, a state tax, a SS tax, property tax, gas tax, and all the other oppressive taxes.
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GahdeMalprigi1488x 7 months ago
Tithes NEVER INCLUDED MONEY!Study Hebrews Chapters 7 - 13. It explains why we no longer follow the Old Covenant ceremonial laws which included tithes from the land, (fruits, vegetables,& grains), as well as tithes from the flocks,(bulls, goats, rams, etc.) NEVER MONEY! Hebrews was written to the Jews who converted to Christianity but were still following Old Covenant laws. Also, please understand that Gentile converts to Christianity were never instructed to follow Old Covenant law
oneeye9426 7 months ago
I like xtians way of thanking,don't support your local church but give your money to wal-mart and casinos.
some of you xtians are so stupid, if there is a god i thank him that i aint like you.And I thank you xtians that your cherry picking and twisting the words to suit yourselves will cause your own church to implode in on itself and will be no more. You you have no one to blame but yourselves. HAAAA HAAA
wwwuraRetard 7 months ago
@wwwuraRetard I never said that we aren't to support our local church. I believe in giving abundantly but putting a percentage on it and calling it a tithe is not scriptural. Just because I don't support the false doctrine of tithing does not mean I'm against giving. Scriptures have to be read in their context in order to get a full understanding. The problem is that people today simply accept what someone tells them instead of rightly dividing the word of truth for themselves. That's all.
oneeye9426 7 months ago
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wwwuraRetard 7 months ago
Never let the car salesman tell you the law says you must give them money!!! I do has I believe Jesus would. To preachers who live in povery. To everyone around me that lives in poverty. Since I follow the new Testiment and only the verses of the old testiment that the new tesitment says to I only give to those who have nothing. However I am of Livite decent so I ask for nothing in return for my teachings which is what Jesus wanted !
Engineer245 7 months ago
2 cor. 8 13-15 talks about giving to be done for the benefit of equality. vs 15 "as it is written, he who gathered much, did not have to much, he who gathered little, did not have too little." If everyone is giving "atleast" 10% how is equality being reached? They'll just all be 10% in the drain together
It seems that pastors/people have this urge to tie in tithing w/ any verse about giving. 2 different subjects. 8 & 9 (his references) have nothing to do with tithing, but giving w/ your heart
timdrum5790 7 months ago
Matt 23:23
Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith.
These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.
imthemandawg 7 months ago
@imthemandawg Tithes NEVER INCLUDED MONEY!Study Hebrews Chapters 7 - 13. It explains why we no longer follow the Old Covenant ceremonial laws which included tithes from the land, (fruits, vegetables,& grains), as well as tithes from the flocks,(bulls, goats, rams, etc.) NEVER MONEY! Hebrews was written to the Jews who converted to Christianity but were still following Old Covenant laws. Also, please understand that Gentile converts to Christianity were never instructed to follow Old Covenant law
oneeye9426 7 months ago
Hello, my name is the Created and I have a relationship to my Creator that was, is, and ever will be Eternally connected BY THE LOVE IN MY HEART.
Whose Rule? Whose Commandment? WHO IN THE FUCK SAYS I NEED AN INSTITUTION OR BUILDING OR ANOTHER PERSON BETWEEN MYSELF AND MY CREATOR TO FACILITATE OUR LIVING RELATIONSHIP that expands from LOVE alone, not money or offering dishes or visiting a mediator and his institution 1 day per week?
I love GOD 100% 7 days a week.
I feel bad for many of u.
Brahmanfire 7 months ago
What a crook, what a crock.
WTU208 7 months ago
This is the problem with most churches today...95% of this message is exactly dead on and what people need to hear, but he just can't help but to throw his extra little bit in there based on his fears of people not giving and his lack of faith...everything is true except when he says "so what it's saying is 10% isn't the ceiling we try to reach but the floor we start at"...this little tidbit he added is why people don't trust churches or pastors..Christians cut out the middle man in your giving
jtshep80 7 months ago in playlist QT 4
where does it say that 10% is the starting point or starting goal?
jtshep80 7 months ago 3
@jtshep80 The Bible doesn't say give 10% of our gross. That is rubbish & it is annoying to hear him say that. Nor does it say 10% is a starting point! The chap in the video presumably hopes that his congregation will give it to him though. But why on earth would he think he deserves it?
Tithing was FOOD for the Levite priests - nothing to do with money. Nowhere in God's Holy Word does it tell us to give 10% of our money to a church or a greedy pastor or anything else. Wake up people.
MustaffaCuppa 7 months ago
@MustaffaCuppa Notice they say GROSS because they get more money than if it was NET. I'm a Christian and I hate church.
FAITHandLOGIC 7 months ago 7
"Notice they say GROSS because they get more money than if it was NET. I'm a Christian and I hate church."
If you do not believe what the bible says and do not want to fund church with cheerful giving then I am telling you this out of love. Do not claim yourself as a christian. by definition Christian's will have a desire to do what God wants them to. I am saying this because you hate church. In Revelation the Christian God wants you to be either hot or cold for him not lukewarm.
musichalloffame 7 months ago
@musichalloffame I do believe what the Bible says but the difference is that I read it in context. Tithes were given to the Priests of Levi because that tribe did not inherit any land. The 10% was not money, it was food and supplies for clothing for the Priests. It also went to the poor. Many brought money because it was lighter to carry, so they exchanged the money for food and clothing to provide the Priests and poor.
Today's churches are crooks. I'm not paying them.
FAITHandLOGIC 7 months ago
@FAITHandLOGIC OK, from your understanding now I can see where you are coming from all that I read was basically " I am a christian and I hate church" which to me sent up a red flag. Now that I know a little bit more of the context, I can see that just as you said context is very important when you are trying to figure out what something is.
I am sorry, if I offended you it was just when i read the words " I am a christian and I hate church " those words didn't make logical sense to me.
musichalloffame