I pledge my allegiance to Declyon the 10 headed lion of Death, Sorrow, Anger, Happiness, Love, Fear, Knowledge, Insanity, Life and Hate. He guides us all and he made the universe he made Zinnia even more loved than Rebecca B lacking skills of any sort. He wrote the book called HALSID that is how you should live but he Also made The book called KHIFL which states all sins. He is our mentor our guru and just plain bullshit.
I'd rather worship Scorpion. He rips other god's heads off or incinerates them, grinning as they run around screaming. I'd give up my atheism for that!
God has a nation under himself, and if you pledge to that nation, you pledge to that God; if you don't pledge to that God you do not pledge to the nation -- the nation under God. God B-less America. I pledge allegiance to a secular country dedicated to winning freedom and equality for all. Moreover, what is God? If god proves to be nothing but imaginary, than America would be a nation under the influence of nothing but imagination. Now, imagine freedom without someone else's god dictating.
I didn't even catch the Osiris part till they pointed it out! XD
You have inspired me. From now on, I shall name random Gods in the pledge!!! Technically my school doesn't have the right to stop me (not that I think they'd try).
I'd prefer to pledge allegiance to one nation, the Republic of the United States of America. The flag that stands for it is an arbitrary symbol I'd rather not endorse, and we still need to work on that "liberty and justice for all" part.
Now THAT'S interesting.I learn something every day.ZJ,I've seen your other videos about religious encroachment(well,Christians,more specifically) on our society and the time honored agenda of subverting free will and free thought with self empowering interpretations of dogma.In Sunday School we learned that free will was our gift from God,but he's very sneaky on how he steals it back,
@ONFIREFORJESUS247 Why love a country full of people who don't give a shit about you? a Government that doesn't care a leader full of greed. I take these words from a great band "His mind is not for rent to any god or government"-Lyrics from the song Tom sawyer.
so the pledge goes with bible/any book and its teachings?
really? Is that why it has millions of school children of any religion every single day pledging their ALLEGIANCE to somebody OTHER THAN GOD. Your allegiance, meaning your devotion and loyalty, things that should be given only to a supreme being like god, is being pledged away every single time you recite this fascist sentence. TELL ME THAT THIS IS NOT ASSOCIATING PARTNERS WITH GOD!
@ZJemptv Here is the question you should be asking ... WHY do they even recite it to begin with . You shouldn't HAVE to pledge allegiance to the US just cause you live here , cause it then speaks to the idea that your living here is a privilage and not a RIGHT .. well, as an American Indian I take exception to this . I would NEVER pledge allegiance to a mass murdering cult of European rednecks that thought it was okay to bash in the skulls of my ancestors simply cause of theyre race. FUCK the US
I am in concurrence with many of your views, but you are reading into the Pledge way too much. That's like saying you won't say "Amen" at a Christian funeral for one of your family members. I am basically atheist, but I personally do not see what the big deal is with anyone having to say "under God". I know nobody who has burned their tongue or felt truly oppressed/offended by reciting the Pledge. It's tradition. It's harmless.
What specific religion does "under God" establish? If one religion can't be proven than no violation exists. Check the founding fathers lives and writings for signs of a Christian nation, Charles Stanlys "Is America a Christian Nation" is a good start, it is divided into 10 minute section here at You tube. See historical fact for yourself.
Go read the Treaty of Tripoli article 11; it states in plain English that we are not a Christian nation.
"Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion..."
This was passed unanimously in 1797 by our founding fathers in congress, and passed with John Adams as President. It has been stated time and time again, we are NOT a Christian nation.
@EliteKiller07 I've read it many times, it states we are not a theocracy, I don't know anyone who claims we are. Now how much of my suggestion did you do?
@daddyg321 saying "under God" implies that there is a god and only one god. This clearly shows favoring of a monotheistic religion over a polytheistic religion and over atheism. The fact that this pledge is recited daily in schools funded by the government violates separation of church and state. It is obviously unconstitutional, but America doesn't seem to mind since most of us are brainwashed by religion in the first place.
@Randomidable or brain washed by teh government . Before this hit the national headlines I got in trouble with my school cause I refused to recite it . I still stood and was respectful .. but I wouldnt bow my head and I wouldnt recite .. I simply dont think I owe the US my allegiance . The whole stealing my ancestors land and killing them (often in the name of God ironically ) and the fact that reparations to American Indians and Blacks has been a JOKE (casino's .. really?) . Fuck the US!!!
I am old enough to recall being a student in the early 1950s in the NYC public school system. I remember 2 things clearly: There was compulsory school prayer every day in class AND the words "under God" did NOT appear as part of the Pledge of Allegiance. In 1954 "under God" was inserted into the text of the Pledge and around the same time school prayer was abolished in public schools. As a life-long Atheist I look at it philosophically----it was a trade-off; you win some, you lose some.
@livin4jesus0225 ...but it still necessitates A god. As I have mentioned, atheists have NO god or gods. Therefore, an atheist saying "one nation, under god", regardless of the fact that it's not "specified" (*wink wink, nudge nudge*), is one more god than necessary for any atheist.
And yeah, that's why I was pissed off They were breaking the law and there wasn't anything I could do about it. It just goes to show what happens when you give conservatives even the slightest power over others.
@livin4jesus0225 Says Mr. Livin4jesus. What about the people who have no gods? Did you even watch the video? To those who have no gods, what god is the United States supposed to be "under"?
I don't know if you're aware of it or not, but atheists don't believe in gods. People who believe in gods have religions. Promoting gods or "a" god IS PROMOTING RELIGION.
I stopped standing for the pledge in high school... until I was threatened with suspension. So I ended up standing for it, but not saying anything.
While the "under god" thing is certainly a violation of the establishment clause, why does there even need to be a pledge? I know of no student who took the pledge to heart and in the entire 13 years of public school, it never really meant anything to me. It's meaningless indoctrination and propaganda. It should be abolished altogether.
Thanx for the vids. I'm with you most the way. But I once heard that the JW's urge followers not to take oaths like the pledge. What about them? I think we should scrap the pledge altogether. Allegiance should bee instilled in, not drilled in.
"To tell students in an educational setting" that we come from tiny molecules BILLIONS of years ago, and this big bang happened and all this dust came into existence bla bla bla, you have to have faith to believe in something from the past that you didn't witness, measure or do any tests upon, no one knows if evolution is right heck it's wrong in HUNDREDS of ways only true existence is variation that's it. But yet evolution is taught as fact...but it's a religion?
I think that's just you, buddy. You and all the other people who refuse to actually educate themselves on the MASSIVE abundance of evidence. Go check out AronRa's channel for a crash course, if you're actually interested in understanding why evolution is a FACT (hence why it is "taught as fact").
I find it ironic that religious people would rather believe we came from dirt 6,000 years ago than intelligent ape-like hominids 200,000 years ago...
Attacking any existence of there being a God, but you’re possessed about God and there is probably not a day that goes by where you’re not thinking about him. People will believe you’re attacking any existence of there being a God because of your own lifestyle, it somewhat becomes futile when your own standing is not even good in the eyes of men...!
The thing about this is it won't be changed, why don't we just stop and go to the metric system? Because people are used to it and don't want to change it. In the 70s they tried to change the US to the metric system, but guess what happened? Open revolt, no one wanted to change. I just get around it by not saying the words.
"One nation under God" reinforces "Freedom of religion".All who bring their religion into this Judeo Christian nation,are free to express it,but not undermine the cornerstone faith of America.And it couldn't apply to the Athiest since they have no faith.One nation under Christ first and foremost,and the freedom to worship whatever God your belief system allows you otherwise.If you're at odds with it,then use your passport.
Sorry, but the federal government shall not respect an establishment of religion. God is a purely religious concept, regardless of its vagueness in this case, and as such is respecting/endorsing the establishment of religion. Thus the government is out of lines on putting the words "in God we trust" on currency and in the pledge of allegiance.
Besides, god with a capital G is just the given name for the Christian deity, and historically we know that is what God is inferred...
Not a matter of perspective. Look up the enlightenment. That is the movement where this country got its principles. If this country were based around Christianity, slavery would never have been banned and we'd be living in a kingship, not a democracy. But maybe if you actually went through a high school history class I wouldn't have to tell you that.
@AlexTheHumanist Yes!,Perspective.Yours in this case.An educated individual would know that slavory was forwarded by the democrat.Since the notorious fascistic entities of the past were leftists,ie:The third reich,neo nazis,kkk,and others,slavory came to pass.On the democratic platform today,there are still klansman,nazis,and "Che" radicals.Todays new liberal left.And we live not in a democracy,we live in a democratic republic.Perhaps liberal professors poisoned your kool aid.
THANKs to GUYS LIKE THIS IT IS THeM THAT ARE CAUSING US AMERICANS to WAKE UP and realize that we are going to hell in a hand basket wake up get out and vote dont let this Fella fool You
THANKs to GUYS LIKE THIS IT IS THeM THAT ARE CAUSING US AMERICANS to WAKE UP and realize that we are going to hell in a handbasket wake up get out and vote dont let this Fella fool You
It was because of uneducated pubescent fools like this brat that Obama managed to get elected in 2008. The education of the youth of this country has been dumbed down to such a level that it should be shocking to the educated among us. This kid needs to study his history, learn about the exceptionalism of his country, read the bible and grow up. No doubt, he will vote for Obama in 2012. Kid, you disgust me.
You are an Unpatriotriotic nit my dear, this is what is wrong with America today. This IS the nation that was founded by CHRISTIANs, wake up and study your heritage and history! You are a fool not to remember that GOD created everything, read the Bible! The Constutuion says not establishment of A religion but NOT TO KEEP US FROM IT EITHER.....READ the Constitution!! You are a noisy gong blowing in the wind. IGNORANCE IS NOT BLISS. Prayers that you find the truth before it is too late.
You are an Unpatriotriotic nit my dear, this is what is wrong with America today. This IS the nation that was founded by CHRISTIANs, wake up and study your heritage and history! You are a fool not to remember that GOD created everything, read the Bible! The Constutuion says not establishment of A religion but NOT TO KEEP US FROM IT EITHER.....READ the Constitution!! You are a noisy gong blowing in the wind. IGNORANCE IS NOT BLISS. Prayers that you find the truth before it is too late...!
I think the whole pledge of allegiance itself is kind of a stupid idea. It's just another way that the government tries to control us and instill completely blind patriotism in innocent children. Do I support my country and believe there are a lot of good things about it? Yes, of course, but I don't I don't support it BLINDLY. I'm not going to agree with everything the American government says or does just because I'm an American.
@FM897 I mean, it's by complete accident that any of us wound up being Americans. We could just as easily have been born somewhere else. We should support the things we agree with and oppose the things we don't agree with; not that we actually have a choice in all of this. It's the wealthiest people in American that control America. Democracy is an illusion.
@Shavarnarak that or people who don't give two shits about what goes in a oath that normal people like me rarly. Me I couldn't care less if the words "under god" were put in the pledge or not. People at my school don't even say the pledge anyway.
God is a catch-all term that can refer to any deity. For Christians, it's Jehovah. For Muslims, it's Allah. For Jews, it's Yahweh. For certain Hindu groups, it's Krishna. Et cetera, et cetera.
Summer 2-4, 1776 – Declaration of Independence written and signed.
“We hold these truths … that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights … appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world … And for the support of this Declaration, with firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence
Summer 2-4, 1776 – Declaration of Independence written and signed.
“We hold these truths … that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights … appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world … And for the support of this Declaration, with firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence…”
Summer 12, 1775 – Continental Congress issues a call to all citizens to fast and pray and confess their sin that the Lord might bless the land.
“And it is recommended to Christians of all denominations, to assemble for public worship, and to abstain from servile labor and recreation on said day.”
May 20, 1775 – North Carolina passes the Mecklenburg County Resolutions.
“We hereby declare ourselves a free and independent people; are, and of a right ought to be, a sovereign and self-governing association, under control of no other power than that of our God and the general government of Congress.”
April 25, 1689 – The Great Law of Pennsylvania is passed. “Whereas the glory of Almighty God and the good of mankind is the reason and the end of government … therefore government itself is a venerable ordinance of God …”
Why? because our founders wanted it that way! I know liberal progressives, gays,athiest and communist don't like it and even try to re write and down play our history, but the truth is most of the country today and past know this country was founded by judea christian values! IT WILL NEVER CHANGE! there will be civil if the crazy left tries!
Where does one go to obtain his/her 'inalienable rights? Sears, Best Buy, Home Depot, IRS, or Congress, perhaps, the President, the Federal Dept of 'Inalienable Rights' ?
Is there no place to obtain NOR a place to get protection to keep them. Although you do NOT address this issue, could you please provide a dissertation on that subject. Could you please also tell me what an 'inalienable right is while keeping your philosophy intact and flowing as you have espoused here.
It took me a second or two but I think I identified this person's gender and then I spotted her mind. It was in a set definitely against ALL Christian principles. I'm not going to entangle myself with a Godless pagan filled with self-aggrandizement simply to feed fodder to her already overstuffed intellectualism.
BECAUSE YOUR IN AMERICA AND GOD HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH IT>im not even american and i know that.Why dont these people go where GOD doesnt exist then we would all be happy.
it doesnt "have" to be. there is no law in the U.S.A. requiring ANYONE to follow ANY religion. it's just an idea. nothing more, nothing less. stop whining. period.
sadly there are a few other instances where this sort of thing happens like on our currency you will find the words "in god we trust". or in a court of law you are asked to swear on a bibble before giveing whitness. as if to say the bibble is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
This also helped us get new allies to work against the Soviets during the Cold War. I agree fully that it has worked and done its duty. Much like the Cold War, this law must come to an end. Watch my videos if you have the time :) I teach people to make beer :D
Actually, there is another mistake in the Pledge. The word "indivisible" (inseperable) In 1861 the nation DID divide, hence, the civil war. Also when Texas was admitted into the U.S. their constitution stated that it can be its own seperate country, therefore NOT indivisiblke. :-)
@boyceps What does "THEIR CREATOR" refer to then?? DNA?? If you do some research on the guys that Wrote the document you will fine what was in their minds. The Rights were intentionally given from God because a King or Ruler can take them away. I dont think they all Beleved it but it was a way of protecting peoples "God Given Rights"
As for indivisable, the country faught but did get back together again, it is not divided now. The current administration has made a lot of pleges its broken too
If you dont think God should be in the pledge...then give me your money. Aren't the words IN GOD WE TRUST, on money??? Hmmm, funny how you dont want to give me your money but you want God taken out of the pledge....
The better question is, why would anyone want to pledge allegiance to the USA?
It is unworthy. The entire country is just the plaything of the local plutocracy and it's military arm, under the guise of 'freedom'.
People who give a shit about the US should probably kill of the rich people. But ironically enough, suggesting this is considered crazy extremism, even though it's very much true.
I've often thought of this as an issue, ever since I was six or seven. Since then I've just stopped saying the pledge. I might start again if the government removes this segment and gives equal rights to homosexuals.
why do you even worry about this? Why must idiots change what caused no harm? it's like changing the color black to "the darkest brown" because "black" is dark and some people think it represents evil. We have freedom of choice, speech, religion, etc, why do people think because it doesnt fit them do they have to change it? the fact is everyone isnt pleased until they get there way, some go to extremes to change things for themselves. why not leave "whatever" alone when it doesnt hurt anyone.
I see no reason to say the pledge in the first place. If one wishes to pledge allegiance to something it should be the last bit liberty and justice for all; not a nation and its document both of which can be twisted and corrupted to the point of absurdity. ******* NOTE: I am not saying that America and the Constitution are twisted and corrupt; only that they can become so.
Every day in 3rd period at my high school, we have to stand and say the pledge of allegiance. I'm in choir then. I love my conductor, but she actually makes everyone stand for the pledge. Unless they are on crutches or in a wheelchair or something. But everyone stands and recites those words, including "under God." I'm pretty sure that I'm the only one who doesn't include those words. I'm in a town where there are a lot of Jews and Christians, but very little else. At least it's more than one!
I love reading the 'fuck you' word spatter some viewers post in response to your composed thoughts. :]
I've no argument with your research, though my god Zorgo that lives in the lake disputes your allegation that all gods aren't real.
'Under God' never bothered me much, it's so generic and vague, despite it's flaws that you point out. Now if the recitation read, "I pledge allegiance, TO THE GOD, of the United States of America," well then we'd have a situation.
I used to say "Under Cheesepoofs" (and several other not-so-clever words) when I was in HS. I always made sure everyone could hear me and it was pretty amusing. They always looked so disgusted. :B
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The Bill of Rights in America was written as rights from God. Thats why we say "under God" Its a concept that was used to prevent the Government from being the distributor of Peoples Rights. If they come from God, they cant be taken away. Doesnt matter if God exists its to protect peoples rights. She is an idiot. Can you imagine a world run by people like her.
@Texmurphy51 This is not a question that the Constitution even attempts to answer nor does it even matter. The facts that the rights are inherent and inseparable are all that matter. The Constitution starts there and runs with it. What exactly those rights are is also not a matter the Constitution approaches. The Bill of Rights is not a complete enumeration of rights but on an abridged list of the most inviolable.
@mrgne1 Read what the Founders intended. They specifically said the Rights come from God, not from Government so they cannot be taken away. This was not to establish a state Religion but keep Gov from taking away rights as in other countries. The current Gov is trying to change this with Positive Rights which are given & controled by them. If rights are inherent & inseparable then why are they being challanged?
@Texmurphy51 Nowhere in the Constitution does it say that the rights are derived from a god, nor does it even matter. One only needs to accept the inherent and unalienable qualities of the rights. You can claim that the rights come from a god, I can claim they come from somewhere else. The only important thing is that we agree the rights do exist.
@mrgne1 You are correct, the Declaration of Ind is where it says the Rights are endowed by their creator. This is implied in the Bill of Rights since the documents both represent Freedom. As I said, this is probably not exactly what everyone believed at the time but is a Theoretical Ideal that would keep the Gov from changing those Rights. This is about to be challange by the current administration.
@Texmurphy51 you're right; it is A theoretical ideal that COULD keep the gov from changing those rights but so also is mine. In fact there are many. As I said before it only matters that the rights are there, inseparable and inherent. You even agree to this when you say that not all the founders believed what you believe.
what you believe and why is something that the gov should stay away from. See the first amendment.
@mrgne1 I am saying that you only need to look to see what is happening now. The current Administration is trying to add Positive Rights to the Bill of Rights, given by the Gov. This is an attempt to control & remove the so called Negative Rights. YOU may believe that Rights are inseparable & inherent but I bet u there are many that do not. If you say there is no God then there is no Absolute Right or Wrong. Everything is relative. If Gov says this then Anything Goes.
@Texmurphy51 I am not sure what you mean by positive and negative rights. The government is free to decide which rights it will recognize and which it will not and how a government acts determines how just or unjust a government is. As for Absolute right and absolute wrong I have yet to be given a demonstration of one or the other or even why a god is necessary for such to exist.
@mrgne1 That term was use by Obama. He considers the Bill of Rights as Negative because it defines what LIMITS the Gov intervention. He wants Positive Rights like Health Care which are Given by the Gov. This means the Gov controls them, usually financially. Do you consider Anything an Absolute Right? Such as Murder or Theft. Like in the commandments which law is based on. Murder is against the law. Do you think this is absolute or not?
@Texmurphy51 I fail to see the detriment of positive vs. negative rights. The only difference seems to be action vs inaction of the government. In either case if they are rights, they are inherent and inseparable. In the case heath care the gov would only be recognizing a right that we had all along correcting the oversight. That is if health care is a right.
As for murder perhaps your should consider if war is right or wrong. Actions can only be circumstantially right or wrong.
@mrgne1 Part 1,Neg rights allow people to act, or not act without Gov coersion. Like Freedom of Speech. “Positive Right" are forced on people & may require taking from other people to create it. Like Health Care. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say that, in order to exercise their rights, each citizen must at birth be given a microphone, a bible, or a gun. Positive rights would be Health Care, Right to a Job, Right to a Home cont...
@mrgne1 Part 2 right to a good paying Job. etc. Now just in case you dont recognize where these come from, you may need to read a little Karl Marx because thats where this comes from. Your answer on Absoute right & wrong would lead eventually to chaos. This is exactly why a spiritual reference is needed. We are on the verge of making some very unethical things law. No absolutes & anything goes
@Texmurphy51 you have yet to give me an example of an absolute right. You said murder, but sanctioned murder is committed all the time and is even considered just and right. As for my answer to absolute right and wrong it is less an answer and more an observation.
Why are socialist roots such a faux pas? Just because Karl Marx had some bad ideas does not mean all of them are bad. You should attack ideas on what they are and not who they came from.
@mrgne1 We are off subject because this started with Positve Right . Your being very evasive as a mere observer but lets hope you now know the difference between pos & neg rights. Its about Gov Control of people just as with the absoute rights. Killing and Murder are different things, (need I explain?). I think that an absolute right would be Right to Freedom. It is assumed that your rights do not interfere with others but lets start here.
@Texmurphy51 Perhaps we should start with some definitions. What is killing? what is murder? what is the right to freedom? If you are wondering why I am asking for this it is because all of these terms are all vague in common usage.
@mrgne1 Part 1 I see where your going with this to justify your position. Murder is intentional killing without justification or excuse. Now of course the Murderer usually has an excuse. Lets use the example of Post Birth Abortion,(up to 1 year old is ok by people like George Soros), our current president says its OK just after birth if the "intention" was abortion. This could be justified if Gov was the giver or rights. cont....
@mrgne1 Part 2 This was what Hitler did when killing the sick, infirmed, then the Jews. Gov sanction murder since there are no Absolute wrongs. The definitions are unclear only if you want them to be. I ask you, is there any thing that YOU consider an Absolute, or is everything relative to the situation?
@Texmurphy51 I would say the killing without adequate justification or excuse would be an absolute. BUT that is a circumstantial definition. the action is killing; the circumstance is having a justification or having an excuse. There is no single action, that I know of, that is inherently wrong to do. Where I was going was to try to understand you more fully and to illustrate that killing and murder are only separated by circumstance.
@mrgne1 Yes I understand your position & unfortunatly that allows ANYTHING to be justified. This is what I mean about Positive Rights being controled by the Gov. By your "circumstance justification" idea we could go back to slavery, killing the Jews, or any number of nasty things that in their times were justified by the State or Gov. If we however keep our Rights the way the Founders wanted, that will be less likely to happen.
@Texmurphy51 I feel like you are conflating right and wrong with personal rights.
Actions can only be circumstantially right or wrong; never absolutely; And yes most every action can be justified or condemned given the appropriate circumstance.
Personal rights are inherent and inseparable; where they come from is irrelevant. The only challenge is discovering what they are; and violating them as little as possible.
@Texmurphy51 Using a god as a failsafe fails. Every god ever imagined has been used to justify every action you would consider wrong. Because even if there is a god and there is absolute right and wrong and our rights come from this god. You still have the problem that no-one knows what the fuck he wants. A thousand people have read your holy book and come to a thousand different conclusions. It is not a solution.
@mrgne1 Those who used a god for justification would do it without a god. People who used god as an absoute knew bad things like Slavery were wrong & eventually stopped it. If there is no absoute wrongs then Slavery would be OK in their minds & continue forever. Its not my Holy Book, I am an Agnostic & dont believe in conventional Religion. The Personal Rights you speak of if given by the State are meaningless not inherent. I can give or take whatever I want if there is no absolutes.
@Texmurphy51 -People who use god as an absolute use him for justification for good or bad. (and they have used god as justification for slavery with ample documentation)
-Just because there are no absolute wrongs or absolute rights, that does not mean there is not wrong and right.
-If personal rights are not inherent if given by the state then they are not given by the state. (but where they do come from is irrelevant as long as they are inherent and inseparable)
@mrgne1 If the "God failsafe" fails why is it that Hitler, Stalin, Mayo, etc were all stopped by Absolute wrongs/morals generated by belief in a God? AGAIN if your method of No Wrongs was used then whats wrong with Slavery? Whats wrong with Murder? Interpretation of ANY book, not just the bible creates thousands of different conclusions. That has no meaning in the argument.
@Texmurphy51 I never said there is nothing that is wrong; only that an action cannot be absolutely wrong. Think about the difference between a jab and a sucker-punch. One is neither right nor wrong the other is definitely wrong.
Murder and Slavery contain an action and the circumstance around that action within the definition.
That a book can support several positions is the point. IF there are absolutes we have NO way of knowing them, and god only serves as a shortcut to reasoned decisions.
@Texmurphy51 WWII is a perfect example of the uselessness of using god for absolute justification. Both sides used god in their propaganda. Hitler was a catholic, one of his justifications was that the Jews were Christ-killers. Hitler even considered the annihilation of the Jews to be the duty of every Christian. That the other side believed these actions evil doesn't change the fact that both sides believed in absolute right and wrong from a god, the same god even.
@mrgne1 I knew you would say Hitler was a Christian. Hitler was raised a Catholic & according to those who knew him rejected the Religion at an early age receiving no Sacraments. He eventually became fasinated with Ariosophy & the idea of breeding the Aryan Race. He claimed to be Christian to be elected. The SS was Occult not Christian. If he was an Atheist as Stalin & Mao would the killing be justified then? You stared earlier there are no Absolute Morals so the killing was OK?
@Texmurphy51 Hitler may or may not have been a Christian; so what? Hitler did use religion to his advantage. At the very least he quelled the Christians into passivity, but more likely, he used it to persuade people into performing terrible actions.
Considering that the SS regularly wore the slogan Gott Mit Uns I highly doubt that all of them could be considered occult. Plus Hitler himself decried the occult
Do you still not hear me? Killing is only an action; what is the circumstance?
@mrgne1 So you dont think that so called "secular" people can be taken advantage of by an evil mind? Well look around you buddy. The difference is ultimately that Religious Morals or laws based on them will say that evil actions are bad. Again, No Absolutes mean that Anything Goes. If you want to understand the SS read about Heinrich Himmler. I stated the circumstances of killing being murder before.
@Texmurphy51 I don't just believe that "secular" people can be taken advantage of I believe that ALL people can be taken advantage of by an 'evil mind'.
When did I ever say that there were no absolutes? (and when did we drift from absolute right and wrong to just absolutes?) I have agreed with you that murder as you had defined it earlier was an absolute wrong.
@Texmurphy51 "The difference is ultimately that Religious Morals or laws based on them will say that evil actions are bad."
Are these the same morals that advocate slavery? The same morals that were responsible for the deaths of thousands because of divine command? Are these the same morals that allow Muslims to advocate for the beheading of cartoonists? The Abrahamic religions are rife with criminal actions sanctioned by their god. You want their morals?
@mrgne1 No these are the morals that ENDED slavery. Under your system Slavery would be acceptable along with anything else. Religious Morals have created all present laws & ended those atrocities created by Theists & Atheist alike. Muslims on whole are peaceful, its small cult groups who create the problem. The are usually lead by someone like Hitler or Osama who USE the Religion to gain power. This is whats happening by some who want laws & lives changed by using the Atheist Religion.
@Texmurphy51 You look at one side of these issues and you see that there are religious people against it. What does not seem to sink in is that there are religious people on the other side supporting it. The kicker is that both will have the same god, the same holy script, and are otherwise indistinguishable from each other. You look at them and say that this side was using religious morals and the other side was not. Why? On what basis do you decide?
@Texmurphy51 I'm very curious where you get your absolute morals from. because unless you have a source for your absolute morals; a source that is absolutely right all the time; your absolute morals are absolutely worthless. The major problem with believing in absolute morals is that people acquire a bad moral for bad reasons and then proceed to hold it absolutely. It is very difficult to change a mind and it is nearly impossible when the mind is completely closed.
@mrgne1 This started with Neg & Pos rights. The Bill of Right are based on Absolute Morals because they are not given by Man. Absolutes cant be taken away. Freedoms one can take or leave. . Positive Rights are IMPOSED rights that cannot be rejected. To see the difference look at Mao & Stalin who ran countries under Atheist Secularism of imposed man made morals & rights. Thats what I mean.
I pledge my allegiance to Declyon the 10 headed lion of Death, Sorrow, Anger, Happiness, Love, Fear, Knowledge, Insanity, Life and Hate. He guides us all and he made the universe he made Zinnia even more loved than Rebecca B lacking skills of any sort. He wrote the book called HALSID that is how you should live but he Also made The book called KHIFL which states all sins. He is our mentor our guru and just plain bullshit.
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Like a certain comedian said, universe might be billions of years old, but it's 200 years ago that "God" decided on his team.
Trubripes 3 weeks ago
As someone who went to public school for 8 years, I can tell you we honestly don't give a shit at that time in the morning.
C0smicN0mad 4 weeks ago
I'd rather worship Scorpion. He rips other god's heads off or incinerates them, grinning as they run around screaming. I'd give up my atheism for that!
thalohalo 1 month ago
"No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God." -H.W Bush
well if that isn't proof....
naturalistmind 2 months ago
God has a nation under himself, and if you pledge to that nation, you pledge to that God; if you don't pledge to that God you do not pledge to the nation -- the nation under God. God B-less America. I pledge allegiance to a secular country dedicated to winning freedom and equality for all. Moreover, what is God? If god proves to be nothing but imaginary, than America would be a nation under the influence of nothing but imagination. Now, imagine freedom without someone else's god dictating.
JusticeIsWhere 4 months ago
I didn't even catch the Osiris part till they pointed it out! XD
You have inspired me. From now on, I shall name random Gods in the pledge!!! Technically my school doesn't have the right to stop me (not that I think they'd try).
star3catcherSEQUEL 4 months ago
If Raiden doesn't exist, then why do I have to do his Kombo Challenge?
kleptothemagicseal 4 months ago
Personally I think rage against the machine said it better.
way2jaded1 5 months ago
I'd prefer to pledge allegiance to one nation, the Republic of the United States of America. The flag that stands for it is an arbitrary symbol I'd rather not endorse, and we still need to work on that "liberty and justice for all" part.
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TartanArmi04 7 months ago
Now THAT'S interesting.I learn something every day.ZJ,I've seen your other videos about religious encroachment(well,Christians,more specifically) on our society and the time honored agenda of subverting free will and free thought with self empowering interpretations of dogma.In Sunday School we learned that free will was our gift from God,but he's very sneaky on how he steals it back,
jameschairmanwong631 8 months ago
God or no god, I'm not pledging allegiance to any flag or country.
TheCeejReturns 8 months ago 20
@TheCeejReturns where is your since of patriotism man?...
ONFIREFORJESUS247 7 months ago
@ONFIREFORJESUS247
Patriotism comes from the root, "die faderland." You know who else used that word? If you want to know the answer, refer to Godwin's Law.
TheCeejReturns 7 months ago
@ONFIREFORJESUS247 Why love a country full of people who don't give a shit about you? a Government that doesn't care a leader full of greed. I take these words from a great band "His mind is not for rent to any god or government"-Lyrics from the song Tom sawyer.
yuo252 7 months ago 2
@ONFIREFORJESUS247 Patriotism is the belief that your country is superior to other countries because you were born there.
It'd be nice if, in the 21st century, we could get past this kind of infantile tribalism.
kos 5 months ago 6
@kos Says the person using a computer... on the internet. Go spread your idea to the many other countries that have neither.
MrAmaethon 1 week ago
@MrAmaethon What are you talking about, you buffoon? What does the internet or computers have to do with the infantile nature of nationalism?
And name me exactly one country that does not have access to the internet. There ought to be an IQ test before people are allowed internet access.
kos 4 days ago
One Nation under no one.
yuo252 8 months ago
@yuo252 Under God
ONFIREFORJESUS247 7 months ago
@ONFIREFORJESUS247 Under the idiot god him self Yog-soggoth he is infinite PLUS ONE. Dumb ass christian.
yuo252 7 months ago
I got my school back in Canada to get rid of "god" from there anthem.
yuo252 8 months ago
@yuo252 Well done. NJ.
IKillBabyKittensLOL 8 months ago
look up the def. of "allegiance"
so the pledge goes with bible/any book and its teachings?
really? Is that why it has millions of school children of any religion every single day pledging their ALLEGIANCE to somebody OTHER THAN GOD. Your allegiance, meaning your devotion and loyalty, things that should be given only to a supreme being like god, is being pledged away every single time you recite this fascist sentence. TELL ME THAT THIS IS NOT ASSOCIATING PARTNERS WITH GOD!
raynedeerman 9 months ago
if you hate your country's founding principles, why don't you just go and live in France, which has a secular constitution?
FuroraCeltica 9 months ago
I didn't think you'd miss out on the President's oath at the end, "...so help me God." And the swearing in on the Bible.
IronicallyMature 10 months ago
@ZJemptv Here is the question you should be asking ... WHY do they even recite it to begin with . You shouldn't HAVE to pledge allegiance to the US just cause you live here , cause it then speaks to the idea that your living here is a privilage and not a RIGHT .. well, as an American Indian I take exception to this . I would NEVER pledge allegiance to a mass murdering cult of European rednecks that thought it was okay to bash in the skulls of my ancestors simply cause of theyre race. FUCK the US
brycejacksoncvt 10 months ago
You disagree that under God isn't the most important issue in politics and religion? Way bigger problems with the American system.
cleaver9601 10 months ago
@cleaver9601
Indeed, there are many problems, but no matter how small, they must all be addressed.
I vote to take it off.
BirdingCristina 8 months ago
Heh, the first time you said Raiden, I thought you said Reagan. In that case, some people might disagree with you.
:)
FangFiftyFive 10 months ago
In an act of defiance, at my school we never said the Pledge.
Teresa64squared 11 months ago
oh my God people are getting dumber and dumber
devinvincent89 11 months ago
I am in concurrence with many of your views, but you are reading into the Pledge way too much. That's like saying you won't say "Amen" at a Christian funeral for one of your family members. I am basically atheist, but I personally do not see what the big deal is with anyone having to say "under God". I know nobody who has burned their tongue or felt truly oppressed/offended by reciting the Pledge. It's tradition. It's harmless.
Bolwheaties 11 months ago
Are students not really compelled to recite the pledge? Because in my school, the teachers made people do so and threatened them with detention.
Chichiri520 1 year ago
I agree
IBMeddling 1 year ago
What specific religion does "under God" establish? If one religion can't be proven than no violation exists. Check the founding fathers lives and writings for signs of a Christian nation, Charles Stanlys "Is America a Christian Nation" is a good start, it is divided into 10 minute section here at You tube. See historical fact for yourself.
daddyg321 1 year ago
@daddyg321
Go read the Treaty of Tripoli article 11; it states in plain English that we are not a Christian nation.
"Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion..."
This was passed unanimously in 1797 by our founding fathers in congress, and passed with John Adams as President. It has been stated time and time again, we are NOT a Christian nation.
EliteKiller07 11 months ago
@EliteKiller07 I've read it many times, it states we are not a theocracy, I don't know anyone who claims we are. Now how much of my suggestion did you do?
daddyg321 11 months ago
@daddyg321 saying "under God" implies that there is a god and only one god. This clearly shows favoring of a monotheistic religion over a polytheistic religion and over atheism. The fact that this pledge is recited daily in schools funded by the government violates separation of church and state. It is obviously unconstitutional, but America doesn't seem to mind since most of us are brainwashed by religion in the first place.
Randomidable 10 months ago
@Randomidable or brain washed by teh government . Before this hit the national headlines I got in trouble with my school cause I refused to recite it . I still stood and was respectful .. but I wouldnt bow my head and I wouldnt recite .. I simply dont think I owe the US my allegiance . The whole stealing my ancestors land and killing them (often in the name of God ironically ) and the fact that reparations to American Indians and Blacks has been a JOKE (casino's .. really?) . Fuck the US!!!
brycejacksoncvt 10 months ago
I am old enough to recall being a student in the early 1950s in the NYC public school system. I remember 2 things clearly: There was compulsory school prayer every day in class AND the words "under God" did NOT appear as part of the Pledge of Allegiance. In 1954 "under God" was inserted into the text of the Pledge and around the same time school prayer was abolished in public schools. As a life-long Atheist I look at it philosophically----it was a trade-off; you win some, you lose some.
JackKangaroo1 1 year ago
I always skip that part.
One nation. With liberty and justice for all.
nickzilbersher5927 1 year ago
@livin4jesus0225 ...but it still necessitates A god. As I have mentioned, atheists have NO god or gods. Therefore, an atheist saying "one nation, under god", regardless of the fact that it's not "specified" (*wink wink, nudge nudge*), is one more god than necessary for any atheist.
And yeah, that's why I was pissed off They were breaking the law and there wasn't anything I could do about it. It just goes to show what happens when you give conservatives even the slightest power over others.
OuroborosChoked 1 year ago
@livin4jesus0225 Says Mr. Livin4jesus. What about the people who have no gods? Did you even watch the video? To those who have no gods, what god is the United States supposed to be "under"?
I don't know if you're aware of it or not, but atheists don't believe in gods. People who believe in gods have religions. Promoting gods or "a" god IS PROMOTING RELIGION.
OuroborosChoked 1 year ago
I stopped standing for the pledge in high school... until I was threatened with suspension. So I ended up standing for it, but not saying anything.
While the "under god" thing is certainly a violation of the establishment clause, why does there even need to be a pledge? I know of no student who took the pledge to heart and in the entire 13 years of public school, it never really meant anything to me. It's meaningless indoctrination and propaganda. It should be abolished altogether.
OuroborosChoked 1 year ago
Thanx for the vids. I'm with you most the way. But I once heard that the JW's urge followers not to take oaths like the pledge. What about them? I think we should scrap the pledge altogether. Allegiance should bee instilled in, not drilled in.
DeaconVerter 1 year ago
"To tell students in an educational setting" that we come from tiny molecules BILLIONS of years ago, and this big bang happened and all this dust came into existence bla bla bla, you have to have faith to believe in something from the past that you didn't witness, measure or do any tests upon, no one knows if evolution is right heck it's wrong in HUNDREDS of ways only true existence is variation that's it. But yet evolution is taught as fact...but it's a religion?
koorgen 1 year ago
@koorgen "no one knows if evolution is right"?
I think that's just you, buddy. You and all the other people who refuse to actually educate themselves on the MASSIVE abundance of evidence. Go check out AronRa's channel for a crash course, if you're actually interested in understanding why evolution is a FACT (hence why it is "taught as fact").
I find it ironic that religious people would rather believe we came from dirt 6,000 years ago than intelligent ape-like hominids 200,000 years ago...
OuroborosChoked 1 year ago
Attacking any existence of there being a God, but you’re possessed about God and there is probably not a day that goes by where you’re not thinking about him. People will believe you’re attacking any existence of there being a God because of your own lifestyle, it somewhat becomes futile when your own standing is not even good in the eyes of men...!
Wh47n0w1517 1 year ago
You are a mess. God help you.
jmichaelortiz 1 year ago
america sucks and so do you fuck off you tranny
lozthegreat1 1 year ago
Agreed it shouldn't be in there. I just wonder if they will take it out.
Enygmablue 1 year ago
The thing about this is it won't be changed, why don't we just stop and go to the metric system? Because people are used to it and don't want to change it. In the 70s they tried to change the US to the metric system, but guess what happened? Open revolt, no one wanted to change. I just get around it by not saying the words.
SuperCreeperman 1 year ago
You're picking at straws liberal!
"One nation under God" reinforces "Freedom of religion".All who bring their religion into this Judeo Christian nation,are free to express it,but not undermine the cornerstone faith of America.And it couldn't apply to the Athiest since they have no faith.One nation under Christ first and foremost,and the freedom to worship whatever God your belief system allows you otherwise.If you're at odds with it,then use your passport.
FuckObamasMama 1 year ago
@FuckObamasMama
Sorry, but the federal government shall not respect an establishment of religion. God is a purely religious concept, regardless of its vagueness in this case, and as such is respecting/endorsing the establishment of religion. Thus the government is out of lines on putting the words "in God we trust" on currency and in the pledge of allegiance.
Besides, god with a capital G is just the given name for the Christian deity, and historically we know that is what God is inferred...
AlexTheHumanist 1 year ago
@AlexTheHumanist You've read my reply,and I stick to it.To the liberal it's a matter of perspective.But not to the rest of US,or to history.
FuckObamasMama 1 year ago
@FuckObamasMama
Not a matter of perspective. Look up the enlightenment. That is the movement where this country got its principles. If this country were based around Christianity, slavery would never have been banned and we'd be living in a kingship, not a democracy. But maybe if you actually went through a high school history class I wouldn't have to tell you that.
AlexTheHumanist 1 year ago
@AlexTheHumanist Yes!,Perspective.Yours in this case.An educated individual would know that slavory was forwarded by the democrat.Since the notorious fascistic entities of the past were leftists,ie:The third reich,neo nazis,kkk,and others,slavory came to pass.On the democratic platform today,there are still klansman,nazis,and "Che" radicals.Todays new liberal left.And we live not in a democracy,we live in a democratic republic.Perhaps liberal professors poisoned your kool aid.
FuckObamasMama 1 year ago
@FuckObamasMama Wow, I've never heard anyone consider the Nazi's "leftist" before. That's a first.
PriscillaRelentless 1 year ago
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THANKs to GUYS LIKE THIS IT IS THeM THAT ARE CAUSING US AMERICANS to WAKE UP and realize that we are going to hell in a hand basket wake up get out and vote dont let this Fella fool You
brunodaw1 1 year ago
THANKs to GUYS LIKE THIS IT IS THeM THAT ARE CAUSING US AMERICANS to WAKE UP and realize that we are going to hell in a handbasket wake up get out and vote dont let this Fella fool You
brunodaw1 1 year ago
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Why don't you do us all a favor and either leave our country or die
crewchieft6 1 year ago
Will you Please Pick a Gender !!!
This is a Christian Nation because we the majority say it is...
If you dont like that, there is always canada !!!
777archangeI777 1 year ago
"Atheist Delusions," by David Bentley Hart.
JackBlair2 1 year ago
It was because of uneducated pubescent fools like this brat that Obama managed to get elected in 2008. The education of the youth of this country has been dumbed down to such a level that it should be shocking to the educated among us. This kid needs to study his history, learn about the exceptionalism of his country, read the bible and grow up. No doubt, he will vote for Obama in 2012. Kid, you disgust me.
mseljos 1 year ago
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You are an Unpatriotriotic nit my dear, this is what is wrong with America today. This IS the nation that was founded by CHRISTIANs, wake up and study your heritage and history! You are a fool not to remember that GOD created everything, read the Bible! The Constutuion says not establishment of A religion but NOT TO KEEP US FROM IT EITHER.....READ the Constitution!! You are a noisy gong blowing in the wind. IGNORANCE IS NOT BLISS. Prayers that you find the truth before it is too late.
desertred88 1 year ago
You are an Unpatriotriotic nit my dear, this is what is wrong with America today. This IS the nation that was founded by CHRISTIANs, wake up and study your heritage and history! You are a fool not to remember that GOD created everything, read the Bible! The Constutuion says not establishment of A religion but NOT TO KEEP US FROM IT EITHER.....READ the Constitution!! You are a noisy gong blowing in the wind. IGNORANCE IS NOT BLISS. Prayers that you find the truth before it is too late...!
desertred88 1 year ago
@desertred88
No, it was not established under Christianity. YOU are the one that needs to read up his history!
AlexTheHumanist 1 year ago
Ass hole
mrpappyyj 1 year ago
That is so true what you said about despite the pledge saying the nation is indivisible, the pledge itself divides us!
SaruCharmed 1 year ago
good stuff
azariahsimon 1 year ago
I think the whole pledge of allegiance itself is kind of a stupid idea. It's just another way that the government tries to control us and instill completely blind patriotism in innocent children. Do I support my country and believe there are a lot of good things about it? Yes, of course, but I don't I don't support it BLINDLY. I'm not going to agree with everything the American government says or does just because I'm an American.
FM897 1 year ago
@FM897 I mean, it's by complete accident that any of us wound up being Americans. We could just as easily have been born somewhere else. We should support the things we agree with and oppose the things we don't agree with; not that we actually have a choice in all of this. It's the wealthiest people in American that control America. Democracy is an illusion.
FM897 1 year ago
One nation under Raiden!
Raidenbababeeleeeeheeeee! (Or whatever the hell he yells when flying forward horizontally.)
Shavarnarak 1 year ago
i think its a flat nation surported by 4 elephants on the back of a tortoise :3
GaaraV3 1 year ago
Christain: God should be in the pledge of allegiance.
Atheist: It shouldn't be.
Me: WHO GIVES A CRAP!?
caller347 1 year ago
@caller347
Yeah, that's the so called moderates like you.
Useless pieces of crap to anyone but themselves.
Shavarnarak 1 year ago
@Shavarnarak that or people who don't give two shits about what goes in a oath that normal people like me rarly. Me I couldn't care less if the words "under god" were put in the pledge or not. People at my school don't even say the pledge anyway.
caller347 1 year ago
@caller347 "Me: WHO GIVES A CRAP?"
Uh, did you watch the video?
FM897 1 year ago
God is a catch-all term that can refer to any deity. For Christians, it's Jehovah. For Muslims, it's Allah. For Jews, it's Yahweh. For certain Hindu groups, it's Krishna. Et cetera, et cetera.
RippIemagne 1 year ago
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Summer 2-4, 1776 – Declaration of Independence written and signed.
“We hold these truths … that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights … appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world … And for the support of this Declaration, with firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence
TheHabit00 1 year ago
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Summer 2-4, 1776 – Declaration of Independence written and signed.
“We hold these truths … that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights … appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world … And for the support of this Declaration, with firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence…”
TheHabit00 1 year ago
Summer 12, 1775 – Continental Congress issues a call to all citizens to fast and pray and confess their sin that the Lord might bless the land.
“And it is recommended to Christians of all denominations, to assemble for public worship, and to abstain from servile labor and recreation on said day.”
TheHabit00 1 year ago
May 20, 1775 – North Carolina passes the Mecklenburg County Resolutions.
“We hereby declare ourselves a free and independent people; are, and of a right ought to be, a sovereign and self-governing association, under control of no other power than that of our God and the general government of Congress.”
TheHabit00 1 year ago
April 25, 1689 – The Great Law of Pennsylvania is passed. “Whereas the glory of Almighty God and the good of mankind is the reason and the end of government … therefore government itself is a venerable ordinance of God …”
TheHabit00 1 year ago
Why? because our founders wanted it that way! I know liberal progressives, gays,athiest and communist don't like it and even try to re write and down play our history, but the truth is most of the country today and past know this country was founded by judea christian values! IT WILL NEVER CHANGE! there will be civil if the crazy left tries!
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TheHabit00 1 year ago
What a little fucken dick this prick is. Leave America fuckhead
jwg1961 1 year ago
Is s/he a computer?
DABLLC 1 year ago
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Tough... Get over it
DABLLC 1 year ago
Where does one go to obtain his/her 'inalienable rights? Sears, Best Buy, Home Depot, IRS, or Congress, perhaps, the President, the Federal Dept of 'Inalienable Rights' ?
Is there no place to obtain NOR a place to get protection to keep them. Although you do NOT address this issue, could you please provide a dissertation on that subject. Could you please also tell me what an 'inalienable right is while keeping your philosophy intact and flowing as you have espoused here.
Thank You
kenlorf 1 year ago
Good point. Why should Americans have to pledge their allegiance? Seems fascist.
7jerryv7 1 year ago
It took me a second or two but I think I identified this person's gender and then I spotted her mind. It was in a set definitely against ALL Christian principles. I'm not going to entangle myself with a Godless pagan filled with self-aggrandizement simply to feed fodder to her already overstuffed intellectualism.
GeoffPace7734 1 year ago
hey lady... er dude. whatevs, you are a smart person... but still a fool.
edcrunk 1 year ago
Read about America kid vice parroting the DNC talking points.
Mark5610 1 year ago
This guy is makes me nervous. Is it a guy? Sounds like one, Talks like a man with a paper Ass-Hole! Looks like a pussy.
Scares me!
drlontime 1 year ago
BECAUSE YOUR IN AMERICA AND GOD HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH IT>im not even american and i know that.Why dont these people go where GOD doesnt exist then we would all be happy.
MsCookie1995 1 year ago
@MsCookie1995 People that want to go where GOD doesnt exist need no move a muscle. For religious people to go where GOD does exist, which is nowhere.
7jerryv7 1 year ago
it doesnt "have" to be. there is no law in the U.S.A. requiring ANYONE to follow ANY religion. it's just an idea. nothing more, nothing less. stop whining. period.
TrishtheDishNY 1 year ago
I don't think I would listen to any guy this age who still sleeps in Bunk Beds.lmao
greatgreatgrandma 1 year ago
After first grade, I refused to to resight the pledge. I would stand, but not resight it. I never got much greaf for it.
Jesses001 1 year ago
ur gay
cannonfodder891 1 year ago
excellent video. direct and to the point
memento18poker 1 year ago
Change the freaking record.
buginyourear 1 year ago
heh, you could put any name there, and make it sound really interesting.
"One nation, under ZJemptv..."
Love the vids btw, they make for some interesting thinking and reflection.
Then again, I tend to not have anything better to do with my time at 4 am in the morning.
LordPagus 1 year ago
sadly there are a few other instances where this sort of thing happens like on our currency you will find the words "in god we trust". or in a court of law you are asked to swear on a bibble before giveing whitness. as if to say the bibble is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
dav37777777 1 year ago
This also helped us get new allies to work against the Soviets during the Cold War. I agree fully that it has worked and done its duty. Much like the Cold War, this law must come to an end. Watch my videos if you have the time :) I teach people to make beer :D
warickii 1 year ago
Actually, there is another mistake in the Pledge. The word "indivisible" (inseperable) In 1861 the nation DID divide, hence, the civil war. Also when Texas was admitted into the U.S. their constitution stated that it can be its own seperate country, therefore NOT indivisiblke. :-)
boyceps 1 year ago
@boyceps What does "THEIR CREATOR" refer to then?? DNA?? If you do some research on the guys that Wrote the document you will fine what was in their minds. The Rights were intentionally given from God because a King or Ruler can take them away. I dont think they all Beleved it but it was a way of protecting peoples "God Given Rights"
As for indivisable, the country faught but did get back together again, it is not divided now. The current administration has made a lot of pleges its broken too
Texmurphy51 1 year ago
Point of clarification: When you're talking about Raiden, are you talking about falling-up-stairs Raiden?
meritocratic1337 1 year ago
I love your videos.
kanmoreti 1 year ago
If you dont think God should be in the pledge...then give me your money. Aren't the words IN GOD WE TRUST, on money??? Hmmm, funny how you dont want to give me your money but you want God taken out of the pledge....
someone481 1 year ago
@someone481 We also want it out of the money.
kanmoreti 1 year ago
@kanmoreti Not enough to give it away though
someone481 1 year ago
@someone481 Of course not.
kanmoreti 1 year ago
under osiris lmfao
Emperorerror 1 year ago 2
great video, though when i initially clicked i thought you were going to be talking about metal gear solid.
FezzingtonBear1 1 year ago
The better question is, why would anyone want to pledge allegiance to the USA?
It is unworthy. The entire country is just the plaything of the local plutocracy and it's military arm, under the guise of 'freedom'.
People who give a shit about the US should probably kill of the rich people. But ironically enough, suggesting this is considered crazy extremism, even though it's very much true.
Shavarnarak 1 year ago
how about, "one nation under the judgement of God?" don't get it? you will.
hiodr 1 year ago
I have to say the plagde but I do becasue I'm in my JROTC
GameStar1300 1 year ago
@Banneord- *Norge- Sorry, wrong Scandinavian country.
OminousReason 1 year ago
I've often thought of this as an issue, ever since I was six or seven. Since then I've just stopped saying the pledge. I might start again if the government removes this segment and gives equal rights to homosexuals.
squigoo 1 year ago
Fuckin' pledges, how do they work?!
quirkyquirk 1 year ago
why do you even worry about this? Why must idiots change what caused no harm? it's like changing the color black to "the darkest brown" because "black" is dark and some people think it represents evil. We have freedom of choice, speech, religion, etc, why do people think because it doesnt fit them do they have to change it? the fact is everyone isnt pleased until they get there way, some go to extremes to change things for themselves. why not leave "whatever" alone when it doesnt hurt anyone.
nellyr06 1 year ago
I see no reason to say the pledge in the first place. If one wishes to pledge allegiance to something it should be the last bit liberty and justice for all; not a nation and its document both of which can be twisted and corrupted to the point of absurdity. ******* NOTE: I am not saying that America and the Constitution are twisted and corrupt; only that they can become so.
mrgne1 1 year ago
Every day in 3rd period at my high school, we have to stand and say the pledge of allegiance. I'm in choir then. I love my conductor, but she actually makes everyone stand for the pledge. Unless they are on crutches or in a wheelchair or something. But everyone stands and recites those words, including "under God." I'm pretty sure that I'm the only one who doesn't include those words. I'm in a town where there are a lot of Jews and Christians, but very little else. At least it's more than one!
FtXandrogyne 1 year ago
I was the only one in my class to sit down through the pledge throughout highschool
thramagen 1 year ago
I love reading the 'fuck you' word spatter some viewers post in response to your composed thoughts. :]
I've no argument with your research, though my god Zorgo that lives in the lake disputes your allegation that all gods aren't real.
'Under God' never bothered me much, it's so generic and vague, despite it's flaws that you point out. Now if the recitation read, "I pledge allegiance, TO THE GOD, of the United States of America," well then we'd have a situation.
PDXCHawk 1 year ago
I used to say "Under Cheesepoofs" (and several other not-so-clever words) when I was in HS. I always made sure everyone could hear me and it was pretty amusing. They always looked so disgusted. :B
Love your videos, btw. c:
zombiehobobeast 1 year ago
Lets refer to it as no gender Pat. Its mad at God, cause it doesnt know what sex it is.
tbower67 2 years ago
@tbower67 hahaha thats a good one
googie00 1 year ago
WTF is U. A guy or a girl lulz.
wssher 2 years ago
Raiden is my favorite god.
ProletarianArt 2 years ago 6
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The Bill of Rights in America was written as rights from God. Thats why we say "under God" Its a concept that was used to prevent the Government from being the distributor of Peoples Rights. If they come from God, they cant be taken away. Doesnt matter if God exists its to protect peoples rights. She is an idiot. Can you imagine a world run by people like her.
Texmurphy51 2 years ago
"The Bill of Rights in America was written as rights from God."
No it wasn't.
ZJemptv 2 years ago 20
From where do these "Rights" come then???
Texmurphy51 2 years ago
@Texmurphy51 This is not a question that the Constitution even attempts to answer nor does it even matter. The facts that the rights are inherent and inseparable are all that matter. The Constitution starts there and runs with it. What exactly those rights are is also not a matter the Constitution approaches. The Bill of Rights is not a complete enumeration of rights but on an abridged list of the most inviolable.
ZJ, your my new fav youtuber!
mrgne1 1 year ago
@mrgne1 Read what the Founders intended. They specifically said the Rights come from God, not from Government so they cannot be taken away. This was not to establish a state Religion but keep Gov from taking away rights as in other countries. The current Gov is trying to change this with Positive Rights which are given & controled by them. If rights are inherent & inseparable then why are they being challanged?
Texmurphy51 1 year ago
@Texmurphy51 Nowhere in the Constitution does it say that the rights are derived from a god, nor does it even matter. One only needs to accept the inherent and unalienable qualities of the rights. You can claim that the rights come from a god, I can claim they come from somewhere else. The only important thing is that we agree the rights do exist.
mrgne1 1 year ago
@mrgne1 You are correct, the Declaration of Ind is where it says the Rights are endowed by their creator. This is implied in the Bill of Rights since the documents both represent Freedom. As I said, this is probably not exactly what everyone believed at the time but is a Theoretical Ideal that would keep the Gov from changing those Rights. This is about to be challange by the current administration.
Texmurphy51 1 year ago
@Texmurphy51 you're right; it is A theoretical ideal that COULD keep the gov from changing those rights but so also is mine. In fact there are many. As I said before it only matters that the rights are there, inseparable and inherent. You even agree to this when you say that not all the founders believed what you believe.
what you believe and why is something that the gov should stay away from. See the first amendment.
mrgne1 1 year ago
@mrgne1 I am saying that you only need to look to see what is happening now. The current Administration is trying to add Positive Rights to the Bill of Rights, given by the Gov. This is an attempt to control & remove the so called Negative Rights. YOU may believe that Rights are inseparable & inherent but I bet u there are many that do not. If you say there is no God then there is no Absolute Right or Wrong. Everything is relative. If Gov says this then Anything Goes.
Texmurphy51 1 year ago
@Texmurphy51 I am not sure what you mean by positive and negative rights. The government is free to decide which rights it will recognize and which it will not and how a government acts determines how just or unjust a government is. As for Absolute right and absolute wrong I have yet to be given a demonstration of one or the other or even why a god is necessary for such to exist.
mrgne1 1 year ago
@mrgne1 That term was use by Obama. He considers the Bill of Rights as Negative because it defines what LIMITS the Gov intervention. He wants Positive Rights like Health Care which are Given by the Gov. This means the Gov controls them, usually financially. Do you consider Anything an Absolute Right? Such as Murder or Theft. Like in the commandments which law is based on. Murder is against the law. Do you think this is absolute or not?
Texmurphy51 1 year ago
@Texmurphy51 I fail to see the detriment of positive vs. negative rights. The only difference seems to be action vs inaction of the government. In either case if they are rights, they are inherent and inseparable. In the case heath care the gov would only be recognizing a right that we had all along correcting the oversight. That is if health care is a right.
As for murder perhaps your should consider if war is right or wrong. Actions can only be circumstantially right or wrong.
mrgne1 1 year ago
@mrgne1 Part 1,Neg rights allow people to act, or not act without Gov coersion. Like Freedom of Speech. “Positive Right" are forced on people & may require taking from other people to create it. Like Health Care. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say that, in order to exercise their rights, each citizen must at birth be given a microphone, a bible, or a gun. Positive rights would be Health Care, Right to a Job, Right to a Home cont...
Texmurphy51 1 year ago
@mrgne1 Part 2 right to a good paying Job. etc. Now just in case you dont recognize where these come from, you may need to read a little Karl Marx because thats where this comes from. Your answer on Absoute right & wrong would lead eventually to chaos. This is exactly why a spiritual reference is needed. We are on the verge of making some very unethical things law. No absolutes & anything goes
Texmurphy51 1 year ago
@Texmurphy51 you have yet to give me an example of an absolute right. You said murder, but sanctioned murder is committed all the time and is even considered just and right. As for my answer to absolute right and wrong it is less an answer and more an observation.
Why are socialist roots such a faux pas? Just because Karl Marx had some bad ideas does not mean all of them are bad. You should attack ideas on what they are and not who they came from.
Why is it bad we pay the gov to help people?
mrgne1 1 year ago
@mrgne1 We are off subject because this started with Positve Right . Your being very evasive as a mere observer but lets hope you now know the difference between pos & neg rights. Its about Gov Control of people just as with the absoute rights. Killing and Murder are different things, (need I explain?). I think that an absolute right would be Right to Freedom. It is assumed that your rights do not interfere with others but lets start here.
Texmurphy51 1 year ago
@Texmurphy51 Perhaps we should start with some definitions. What is killing? what is murder? what is the right to freedom? If you are wondering why I am asking for this it is because all of these terms are all vague in common usage.
mrgne1 1 year ago
@mrgne1 Part 1 I see where your going with this to justify your position. Murder is intentional killing without justification or excuse. Now of course the Murderer usually has an excuse. Lets use the example of Post Birth Abortion,(up to 1 year old is ok by people like George Soros), our current president says its OK just after birth if the "intention" was abortion. This could be justified if Gov was the giver or rights. cont....
Texmurphy51 1 year ago
@mrgne1 Part 2 This was what Hitler did when killing the sick, infirmed, then the Jews. Gov sanction murder since there are no Absolute wrongs. The definitions are unclear only if you want them to be. I ask you, is there any thing that YOU consider an Absolute, or is everything relative to the situation?
Texmurphy51 1 year ago
@Texmurphy51 I would say the killing without adequate justification or excuse would be an absolute. BUT that is a circumstantial definition. the action is killing; the circumstance is having a justification or having an excuse. There is no single action, that I know of, that is inherently wrong to do. Where I was going was to try to understand you more fully and to illustrate that killing and murder are only separated by circumstance.
mrgne1 1 year ago
@mrgne1 Yes I understand your position & unfortunatly that allows ANYTHING to be justified. This is what I mean about Positive Rights being controled by the Gov. By your "circumstance justification" idea we could go back to slavery, killing the Jews, or any number of nasty things that in their times were justified by the State or Gov. If we however keep our Rights the way the Founders wanted, that will be less likely to happen.
Texmurphy51 1 year ago
@Texmurphy51 I feel like you are conflating right and wrong with personal rights.
Actions can only be circumstantially right or wrong; never absolutely; And yes most every action can be justified or condemned given the appropriate circumstance.
Personal rights are inherent and inseparable; where they come from is irrelevant. The only challenge is discovering what they are; and violating them as little as possible.
mrgne1 1 year ago
@Texmurphy51 Using a god as a failsafe fails. Every god ever imagined has been used to justify every action you would consider wrong. Because even if there is a god and there is absolute right and wrong and our rights come from this god. You still have the problem that no-one knows what the fuck he wants. A thousand people have read your holy book and come to a thousand different conclusions. It is not a solution.
mrgne1 1 year ago
@mrgne1 Those who used a god for justification would do it without a god. People who used god as an absoute knew bad things like Slavery were wrong & eventually stopped it. If there is no absoute wrongs then Slavery would be OK in their minds & continue forever. Its not my Holy Book, I am an Agnostic & dont believe in conventional Religion. The Personal Rights you speak of if given by the State are meaningless not inherent. I can give or take whatever I want if there is no absolutes.
Texmurphy51 1 year ago
@Texmurphy51 -People who use god as an absolute use him for justification for good or bad. (and they have used god as justification for slavery with ample documentation)
-Just because there are no absolute wrongs or absolute rights, that does not mean there is not wrong and right.
-If personal rights are not inherent if given by the state then they are not given by the state. (but where they do come from is irrelevant as long as they are inherent and inseparable)
mrgne1 1 year ago
@mrgne1 If the "God failsafe" fails why is it that Hitler, Stalin, Mayo, etc were all stopped by Absolute wrongs/morals generated by belief in a God? AGAIN if your method of No Wrongs was used then whats wrong with Slavery? Whats wrong with Murder? Interpretation of ANY book, not just the bible creates thousands of different conclusions. That has no meaning in the argument.
Texmurphy51 1 year ago
@Texmurphy51 I never said there is nothing that is wrong; only that an action cannot be absolutely wrong. Think about the difference between a jab and a sucker-punch. One is neither right nor wrong the other is definitely wrong.
Murder and Slavery contain an action and the circumstance around that action within the definition.
That a book can support several positions is the point. IF there are absolutes we have NO way of knowing them, and god only serves as a shortcut to reasoned decisions.
mrgne1 1 year ago
@Texmurphy51 WWII is a perfect example of the uselessness of using god for absolute justification. Both sides used god in their propaganda. Hitler was a catholic, one of his justifications was that the Jews were Christ-killers. Hitler even considered the annihilation of the Jews to be the duty of every Christian. That the other side believed these actions evil doesn't change the fact that both sides believed in absolute right and wrong from a god, the same god even.
mrgne1 1 year ago
@mrgne1 I knew you would say Hitler was a Christian. Hitler was raised a Catholic & according to those who knew him rejected the Religion at an early age receiving no Sacraments. He eventually became fasinated with Ariosophy & the idea of breeding the Aryan Race. He claimed to be Christian to be elected. The SS was Occult not Christian. If he was an Atheist as Stalin & Mao would the killing be justified then? You stared earlier there are no Absolute Morals so the killing was OK?
Texmurphy51 1 year ago
@Texmurphy51 Hitler may or may not have been a Christian; so what? Hitler did use religion to his advantage. At the very least he quelled the Christians into passivity, but more likely, he used it to persuade people into performing terrible actions.
Considering that the SS regularly wore the slogan Gott Mit Uns I highly doubt that all of them could be considered occult. Plus Hitler himself decried the occult
Do you still not hear me? Killing is only an action; what is the circumstance?
mrgne1 1 year ago
@mrgne1 So you dont think that so called "secular" people can be taken advantage of by an evil mind? Well look around you buddy. The difference is ultimately that Religious Morals or laws based on them will say that evil actions are bad. Again, No Absolutes mean that Anything Goes. If you want to understand the SS read about Heinrich Himmler. I stated the circumstances of killing being murder before.
Texmurphy51 1 year ago
@Texmurphy51 I don't just believe that "secular" people can be taken advantage of I believe that ALL people can be taken advantage of by an 'evil mind'.
When did I ever say that there were no absolutes? (and when did we drift from absolute right and wrong to just absolutes?) I have agreed with you that murder as you had defined it earlier was an absolute wrong.
mrgne1 1 year ago
@Texmurphy51 "The difference is ultimately that Religious Morals or laws based on them will say that evil actions are bad."
Are these the same morals that advocate slavery? The same morals that were responsible for the deaths of thousands because of divine command? Are these the same morals that allow Muslims to advocate for the beheading of cartoonists? The Abrahamic religions are rife with criminal actions sanctioned by their god. You want their morals?
mrgne1 1 year ago
@mrgne1 No these are the morals that ENDED slavery. Under your system Slavery would be acceptable along with anything else. Religious Morals have created all present laws & ended those atrocities created by Theists & Atheist alike. Muslims on whole are peaceful, its small cult groups who create the problem. The are usually lead by someone like Hitler or Osama who USE the Religion to gain power. This is whats happening by some who want laws & lives changed by using the Atheist Religion.
Texmurphy51 1 year ago
@Texmurphy51 You look at one side of these issues and you see that there are religious people against it. What does not seem to sink in is that there are religious people on the other side supporting it. The kicker is that both will have the same god, the same holy script, and are otherwise indistinguishable from each other. You look at them and say that this side was using religious morals and the other side was not. Why? On what basis do you decide?
mrgne1 1 year ago
@Texmurphy51 I'm very curious where you get your absolute morals from. because unless you have a source for your absolute morals; a source that is absolutely right all the time; your absolute morals are absolutely worthless. The major problem with believing in absolute morals is that people acquire a bad moral for bad reasons and then proceed to hold it absolutely. It is very difficult to change a mind and it is nearly impossible when the mind is completely closed.
mrgne1 1 year ago
@mrgne1 This started with Neg & Pos rights. The Bill of Right are based on Absolute Morals because they are not given by Man. Absolutes cant be taken away. Freedoms one can take or leave. . Positive Rights are IMPOSED rights that cannot be rejected. To see the difference look at Mao & Stalin who ran countries under Atheist Secularism of imposed man made morals & rights. Thats what I mean.
Texmurphy51 1 year ago
@Texmurphy51 1. You have yet to show me that your absolute morality exists. Just because absolute moral