@10brink I didn't use my voice because I didn't want my videos to be judged by performance; I want my ideas to be taken seriously, and in retrospect, it didn't help one bit.
well thats irony for you, a man who has worked with the likes of Bohm, Feynman, Hawkings and Penrose is now suggesting that we are 3d holographic images projected from a 2d god( 10^123BITS(max.info) existing on our future/cosmological horizon. Sarfatti also claims that our future horizon has a singularity attached to it just like our past particle horizon(big bang), tongue in cheek he refers to them as the alpha and the omega. It seems retrocausality is on its way back, from the future.
spiritualy in God's image ... yep we are not connected to God and spiritualy we don't look like him because we are cut off from Him by sin ...we need God's Holy Spirit working IN us in order to become like him (i.e. it's a process) "for you are not in the flesh but in the spirit , if so be that the spirit of God dwell in you . " whoever does not have the spirit of God , he is none of His . ...the Holy spirit is given to a man after real repentance and proper baptism . so yea............
@JustinTheAtheist well you assumed that the man is made in God's image = assumed the bible has real authority (it has but it's a long subject) ...so "assuming" the bible is right then ye that's my belief xD
@Secretwow2 That's funny. I made these videos to voice my opinions of the subjects being forced upon me by christian youtubers (and pretty much christians in general - that feel the need to "save" me from my own self inquiry).
Again, believe what you want, but try not to take the rest of us down with you.
@JustinTheAtheist Well lets finish that vesre. In Genesis 1: 26 we are made in his image according to or after his LIKENESS. We are like god as in we are intelligent. Intelligent = having good understanding or a high mental capacity; quick to comprehend etc. We are not made according to his kind as it said with all other creations. We are "like" God. There is a big difference. (most of us don't follow the theory of evolution also.)
It's okay. That's just yet another incorrect belief that you feel the need to tell everyone. We understand, and we're here for you, if you ever decide to break away from misguided religious dogmas.
@JustinTheAtheist I have seen your videos, and they, like all other videos, dont really clarify a whole lot. You, like every other human being, do not have the answer, or anything close to an all-inclusive theory. If you did, you sure as heck wouldnt be making videos on Youtube.
Thats exactly why we have no clear answer, because we narrow our scope to 'the logical'. Little about creation and especially the universe is logical, why would you suppose the concept or existence of God is.
@Sextonius Why would you trust such a flawed human awareness, as you've illustrated us all to be, by acknowledging the existence or possible existence of a man-made invention?
@JustinTheAtheist Dont you see bro, understanding of creation, the universe, evolution- is inherently flawed. I wouldnt expect to, nor do I seek to have every answer to the gaps in our understanding of these issues.
Funny, for such a man-made law (Christ's law), no one man can follow it. You would think a man would have made something up a bit more conducive to human disposition, practice and desire...
@JustinTheAtheist My friend, I am quite sure my criteria speaks for itself in the academic world, if you would like to inquire into my contribution to the most widely used university introductory quantum physics text book, as well as countless text of the like disciplinary.
Many of today's most brilliant minds, with a fairly intricate and deep understanding of the complexities of the cosmos, incidentally share the same feelings as myself.
You may not be on as populated of a 'boat' as u think
@JustinTheAtheist If it is such nonsense, why has no one completely disproven the existence of God?
And besides, I never made any correlation between the two, this type of correlation is completely unnecessary. How about you give me one example of how your disbelief in God effects your knowledge of creation/the cosmos/evolution.
I have an extensive knowledge of Scripture, and I think we can safely assume that my knowledge of the universe and its origins far surpasses yours...
@Sextonius God has been disproved. The definitions contradict themselves.
Yes, you did make the correlation by bringing up religion in a discussion of knowledge. Religion is the opposite of knowledge.
My skepticism allows me to consider different scientific theories and better understand why they are supported and/or rejected.
No, I think the opposite. Your extensive knowledge of a certain set of scriptures makes your knowledge of the universe and its origins virtually nonexistent, like God.
@JustinTheAtheist Wrong. GOd has been disproved? We would not be having this conversation if that were true.
I believe I have asserted the many gaps I, you, and everyone else has in all of this, so my recognition of this fact shows that I am not arrogant. You, however, arrogantly assert your claims as if they have no error or alternative possibilities, indeed, as if they are fact.
@Sextonius There are no arguments for the existence of any god that are sound, and there are plenty of arguments against the existence of "God" that are indeed sound.
I understand that I have likely offended you, but if you are so easily offended, then you deserve to be offended. You just can't face the bitter truth.
@JustinTheAtheist (cont) So where does that leave you? Not having too much knowledge of either. You just assume some dogmatic, narrow-minded christians are indicative of all christians. Therefore, that seems to effectively close your mind to having a one-sided view of things.
I base my opinions and beliefs on gathering knowledge of all parameters of an issue or subject.
Nonetheless, there is a God, as there is no other explanation for, for one, why we are unable to fully understand creation
@JustinTheAtheist I do comparative analyses to deduce your knowledge. It would seem that you are fairly intelligent, but indeed it is you who are narrow minded, because you allow for no possibility of God, or a creator, and the most brilliant minds of history could not and do not suggest that as a certainty.
Again, check out my work on Introductory quantum physics and statistical mechanics. Youll find that I have a far reaching grasp (but incomplete) on creation from a scientific perspective
@Sextonius Incorrect again. I've researched both sides and have realized that the Pro-God side is based on nothing reasonable. However, you won't allow yourself to disbelieve in your god. If you see my channel page, you'll see that I believe NOTHING with absolute certainty. However, it's just obvious that there are no gods. After reading all of the arguments for and against, this just becomes even more clear.
I'm sure you've got degrees in every topic that we'll ever talk about also. Right?
@JustinTheAtheist haha absolutely not. But I do tend to speak only about that which I know. I have referenced my well respected and accepted work in one of the most crucial branches toward a scientific knowledge of origins. And dont pretend to be anything more or less.
You havent really offended me, its just frustrating going back and forth in an e-convo. and I apologize if I have offended you. Undoubtedly, we share many of the same understandings.
@JustinTheAtheist i really wish i could go through all these with you right now. but 1). bummer Dawkins, evolution by natural selection is NOT a completely workable solution, because it also involves, inherently, random genetic mutation... Random... basically the same thing as applying a Creator to things that cannot be understood/answered/explained.
Ill get to some more tomorrow. Oh man, dont you see, you can refute ANY argument equally on either side, even your precious dawkins
Do you actually understand what "random" means? It is the lack of information/variables that causes us to assign the term "random" in order to understand the big picture. If you're trying to say that "random" is "God" then you are using the Argument from Ignorance. That won't get you anywhere in the thinking community. And are you so closed-minded that you won't read any of the other arguments because I have one by Dawkins? That'll show me!
@JustinTheAtheist haha face palm? Good one. I read all your stuff. Dude, your a plagiarizer! I have turnitin, and the majority of your work is someone else's all cut and pasted in sentence segments. Ultimate Fail. If this were a university environment, youd be expelled for academic dishonestly.
Stop wasting my time. Submit your own work, that way it would be obvious that you actually know what your talking about.
@Sextonius Again, I am not a dimwitted fool like you, and I will not make up a story. I have provided arguments that are not my own, and I don't claim that they are my own. However, I have paraphrased their words into mine in order for them to make more sense to stupid people. Apparently stupid people just can't understand the simplest of things.
@JustinTheAtheist Sachs, I.; Sen, S.; Sexton, J.C. 2006. "Elements of Statistical Mechanics: With an Introduction to Quantum Field Theory and Numerical Simulation". Cambridge University Press, New York.
Vranas, P.; Blumrich, M. A.; Chen, D.; Gara, A.; Giampapa, M.; Heidelberger, P.; Salapura, V.; Sexton, J.C.; Soltz, R.; Bhanot, G. 2008. "Massively Parallel Quantum Chromodynamics". IBM Journal of Research and Development, Vol. 52(1-2): 189-198.
@Sextonius I want to let you know, you aren't just high on the list of unintelligent people I've met. You're at the top of the crazies, and that's saying something.
@JustinTheAtheist Many of the most brilliant minds since the age of enlightenment were considered clinically crazy.
Are you challenged? No, no don't answer that. References!! Look at my references! Do you require more? I can actually send the literature to a PO Box if your low on cash as a college student.
@JustinTheAtheist Sachs, I.; Sen, S.; Sexton, J.C. 2006. "Elements of Statistical Mechanics: With an Introduction to Quantum Field Theory and Numerical Simulation". Cambridge University Press, New York.
Vranas, P.; Blumrich, M. A.; Chen, D.; Gara, A.; Giampapa, M.; Heidelberger, P.; Salapura, V.; Sexton, J.C.; Soltz, R.; Bhanot, G. 2008. "Massively Parallel Quantum Chromodynamics". IBM Journal of Research and Development, Vol. 52(1-2): 189-198.
@JustinTheAtheist Justin, it depends on what you consider personal. You made an arrogant and pompous remark that questioned my contribution to science and humanity, and my over all intelligence. I quickly retorted by identifying my research and literature, which is undoubtedly exemplary, and just out of your league.
Come to find you are merely a undergraduate student, however intelligent you may seemingly be. Just stop writing your smartass remarks back, and you will cease to hear from me
@Sextonius You seriously think that anyone will believe that you are a person of intelligence and importance? Are you assuming that there are people stupid enough to believe anything?
You still have yet to answer any of the 6 arguments against the existence of God, which show that God Cannot Exist, and I'm not going to get distracted.
Answer the questions, admit your dishonesty, and/or get a life and stop responding.
@JustinTheAtheist Are you straight up retarded? Seriously, what is your malfunction. You seem to be an absolute idiot in denial. Sexton... Do you see it in the references? Do you think I really care at this point what you think?
I am writing on youtube genius, like most people on here, Im obviously not concerned with me grammer. You are a child. You dont prove anything with your 6 proofs of the non-existence of God. You prove nothing. Just that you are lost, lonely, and will be forever
@Sextonius As I am not intellectually bankrupt and blatantly dishonest, like you, I will continue to show why God Cannot Exist, and why you are a fake, even though most people will see that you're a troll anyway.
Do you really care at this point what I think? Yes. Obviously you care about my opinion; you are commenting directly to me on my own video. Clearly, you do care.
So how stupid are you? I guess we'll find out by how many replies you make.
@JustinTheAtheist No one knows the exact origins of the universe. If someone did, we wouldn't have this conversation. You are a young college student, and I, an established scholar, academic, and scientist. Accept that. You have given me no references from your own work, because you do not have any. You are a young boy. You cut and paste other people theories and science. That does not take any intelligence at all. Accept that too. Like I said, you are out of your league, stop talking
@Sextonius And just like all trolls, he continues to make the opposing party seem lesser than he/she really is by spreading lies.
No, my "work" is not "cut and paste" material. I obtained many arguments for and against the existence of God, pasted them in an ordered layout, deleted those which failed to have any intellectual importance, and finally paraphrased all of them. And, naturally, there is nothing crediting the arguments to myself. Why would there be? These are famous arguments.
@Sextonius I realize that all you want to do is make yourself feel better than someone else out there, but you're not. You can't type correctly, you have no accomplishments, and you're a loser. Get over it.
And don't expect to have any power to be able to silence people like the church you probably attend. You have no league, because you have nothing.
@JustinTheAtheist Your six cut and pasted arguments, much of which is Dawkins verbatum- Word to the not so wise, they don't prove anything! They are theories, not fact. If they were fact, way more people would have recognized them as such and accepted them. Instead, those that adhere to them are a large Minority!!
Where are your references/your own writing, that make you by any means credible? Show me those, and I will answer your questions.
@JustinTheAtheist I almost forgot, how rude of me. Yes, English is my native language, as I am from Dublin. Not that I have a problem with it at all, nor do I judge you, but are men your first preference? Because you look very much like a homosexual in your picture.
I'll be going away for a week, but while I am gone, either REFERENCES or just give up
@Sextonius So I'm supposed to believe that you are "an established scholar, academic, and scientist" while you are in fact a homophobic bigot? Sorry, but that's not how the world works.
So, we're still waiting on you to provide anything that is not false. Bigoted comments are equally meaningless, but thanks for your time.
@Sextonius If English is indeed your first language, and you're not a little 12-year-old, then please tell me why you don't seem to understand the difference between a contraction and a possessive pronoun.
@Sextonius Oh, you apparently think that I care whether or not you comment back. No, you're not that important. Sorry.
However, I'd love to hear an intelligent comment out of you. My friends and I don't think you can do it, but I think it would be funny if you did. So, do you have any actual replies to any of the 6 arguments against the existence of God that show that God Cannot Exist?
You are a rookie, and while your seemingly intelligent mind shows potential to contribute to humanity, you have much to learn about avoiding a dogmatic view, although you preach adamantly against that very thing.
Sorry for the typos, I dont even know why I am spending time on writing back and forth to you. Dont bother writing back, Im done with you, Justin.
@JustinTheAtheist I would suggest purchasing these online, but quite honestly, like many you probably wouldn't understand most of it.
There exists many things that no one understands to this day, its called the nonexistence of an all-encompassing theory- you know, inability to 'connect the dots' (So many quantum physicists don't even get it, so yeah, I'm assuming you wouldn't either, unless mommy and daddy traditionally refer to you as boy-genius).
@Sextonius I really hope you're not some sick pedophile, and I'm going to hope you're just a misunderstood teenage girl searching to be successful or something.
Really?
Please say you're messing with me. You're not really this much of a loser, are you?
@JustinTheAtheist my work is published, and can easily be retrieved. Indeed when you begin to either write your own stuff, or cite references, you will most likely cite me if your into quantum physics.
Plagiarism, thatll show me!!
You clearly dont get it, as you so smoothly submit others' work.
@Sextonius I paraphrase, and you've wrote nothing? I haven't seen a god damned thing written by you about anything scientific, unless you made that unintelligent joke of a website for jesus.
@JustinTheAtheist Humor me, and check this out. It is elementary as youll find, and if youd like more complicated stuff, of substance (it gets dirty, inexplicable, well into q. mech.), let me know
@JustinTheAtheist haha ok big guy. You present yourself to be open to news ideas, knowledge, etc that may hold some significance, but clearly not. Bummer.
Thats great youve pursued higher education, excellent. Give me a shout if you need any help.
@JustinTheAtheist diddo. You have presented nothing new, nor does your website. In fact for all those who are actually reading this, you messaged me with a bunch of mostly cut and pasted information. Thats called plagiarism. I have Turnitin, and your busted. The majority of what you wrote me was someone else's work. Nice try though.
@Sextonius It's called paraphrasing existing ideas. What did you expect me to do, make things up on the spot like you? No, I turn to existing arguments that have stood strong for years on their own.
We should all be expected to be spiritual beings because some of us are? Thats like saying that since I have excellent vision, and can read a sign from 50 feet away, then all humans should be able to do the same. Some dont see as clearly as others though. Assuming that there is a master creator, if we are different from nature (ie knowledge of good/evil, moral code, soul, etc) then clearly we are special to the creator.
The Bible says God made man in His image and likeness.. This is not figurative by any means. The bible does not say God made man in his appearance. Likeness and image refers to the soul, a moral code. Thats what separates Nature from Human.
Made in Gods image is reference to the intellect the cognitive process of mankind the ability to use reason,logic, and understanding to understand the world. this is the only thing that divides humanity from the animal kingdom.
@doctorw2 "this is the only thing that divides humanity from the animal kingdom"
That's just not true. There are plenty of other animals that can communicate with one another and preserve knowledge amongst the species. These are other animals that can understand a basic level of reality. Examples of such intelligent animals are dolphins, squid, octopi, dogs, and cats.
@JustinTheAtheist can animals decipher between concepts such as good and evil? can they contemplate their reason for existence? do they long to be more than what they are or improve their condition? the obvious answer is no animals are content to live within the confines of instinct.
@JustinTheAtheist science says animals have some rudimentary elements of intelligence but, on the whole animals can not conceive concepts that only a more sophisticated sort of mind can produce. an animal is content with its enviroment and does not seek to change its condition humans on the other hand are always seeking change and ways of bettering their condition.
@doctorw2 First of all, there could very well be intelligent life somewhere else in this universe. Second, we don't understand much about the brains of animals, humans or otherwise. Chimps and dolphins have been shown to be very intelligent creatures, as well as squid and octopi. There is nothing that we have discovered that would make intelligence in these or other creatures impossible. You are assuming that your opinion is correct, and that's not smart.
@JustinTheAtheist yes there is intelligent life in the universe that is far more advanced than mankinds that is a fact but, as for the animals here on earth no they are in a fixed mental state they can not exceed the perimeters of instinct. to say a squid contemplates on its own existence is like saying a tree has the ability of speech. science is based on logic and reason through observation and so far scientists have only observed residual intelligence in animals.
@doctorw2 First of all, no; it is not a FACT that there is intelligent life in the universe far more advanced than human intelligence. We have no information about any intelligent life other than our own. Science has not yet begun to understand what intelligence and consciousness really are. You have no room to talk on the matter with any degree of expertise, because no one has reached that level of understanding yet.
@JustinTheAtheist sorry it is a fact justin, just because some people have not reached a particular level of understanding doesn't mean others have not. By the way i have a degree in the sciences.
@doctorw2 what again are you saying is fact? I hope your not referring to the far more intelligent life than human comment you made above. Particular levels of understanding are far different than making inferences and assumptions based on what is likely to be true.
@Sextonius listen the bible was written by men of a different culture and world view than the people of modern times. the book of genesis is an allegoricle narrative and if you could read the language the bible was written in you would understand this. a rabbi once told me the bible well at least the hebrew part of it what christians call the old testament is only the back parts of GOD and not his face since no person could bare that much truth.
@JustinTheAtheist This entire page of comments is completely dependent upon how we define intelligence. THe ability to manipulate an environment and build cities for instance is of absolutely no use to say humpback whales, so they are not intelligent?
@doctorw2 it is these characteristics (ie concepts of good and evil, existence, moral code) that the Bible speaks of when referring to God making man in his image and likeness. It has nothing to do with God 'looking' like a man.
@Sextonius thats partly true, the image of GOD is refering to the cognitive ability of man it is talking about the mind not physical appearance, thats the real true meaning.
So you don't accept the Theory of Evolution? Hmm..
Monkeys are not "still here" as you say. If you merely research Evolution, you'd see that humans and apes Share a common ancestor. That means that there was a species of primate that split into multiple species, one of which were early humans, and the others were other primates (like the apes of today). Our evolution went in one direction, while the evolution of the other primate species went in their own separate directions.
What is the Ancestoral Species you say we came from...
and, genetically, how is it possible for one species to split into two?
If a PB&J sandwich forms in the middle of a random closed in hole somewhere, with not creature ever to find it... it has no purpose. If you make the sandwich... it has a purpose; "to be eaten". If you believe we just randomly formed, why do we even matter? We have no purpose. We shouldn't even try living if that's the case. We were created. That's why we matter/love.
I'm not going to begin to try to teach you Evolution. Go look at some videos by DonExodus2 or something to learn about what Evolution really is.
Purpose is self-generated. We each make our own purposes in our own lives. We exist, and each of us finds our own purposes in our short little lives. There need not be a creator for purpose to exist, as we create the purpose ourselves.
Is there proof that we came from this species? Because I'm sure there isn't.
We aren't smart enough to generate our own purpose. One may think their purpose is to help children; the same may find out they can offer no sufficient help to children. If we were created from nothing, and we're going nowhere when we die; WE HAVE NO PURPOSE. Our existence doesn't matter because while we're here, whatever difference we make will simply pass away eventually and add up to nothing but a wasted life.
Yes, there is Plenty of evidence that we humans evolved (and still evolve), just as all other life on this planet does. Have you heard of Lucy, one of the oldest descendants of human?
We create our own purpose. Some may choose to see the world as meaningless, but it has whatever meaning you give it. Whether God exists or not is irrelevant.
Although I agree we evole to a certain extent, I know we didn't come from another species. And no, I haven't heard of Lucy. She wasn't in my history books I suppose.
We cannot create our own purpose. If I want my purpose to be a baby-maker and I'm impotent, I can't create my purpose. It's not possible to create a purpose for yourself. You didn't create yourself, so you don't get to decide why you're here. If I give the meaning of life to be eating candy, it doesn't make it so.
You can't give meaning to anything. Everything has it's own meaning already. You can't say we generate our purpose, because we didn't put ourselves here. What we do with our lives is up to us. However, why we're on Earth is out of our reach and beyond our mental grasps.
Lucy is one of the many fossils found of our ancient ancestors. The human species slowly evolved from another species.
Yes, we create our own purpose every day. We decide what to do with our lives, and that is what purpose we create for ourselves. However, you did bring about a good piece of evidence against the existence of freewill. We do no choose to exist; we just exist. True freewill would guarantee all choices to be truly free, including whether or not to exist, and how to exist.
I'll look in to that. We choose what to do with our lives,Justin, but that's not our purpose. I can go to McDonald's right now (by choice) that doesn't mean my "purpose in life is to go there. You cannot create a purpose, or anything else for that matter. The definition of creation is to make something from nothing. When the materials have already been provided,we can't "create" anything. Yes we have choice. But choice and purpose are two completely different things;can't create why we're here.
I've agreed with you on many things. You're very intelligent. Very logical. Very meticulous. I only see without eyes, feel without heart, and think without brain. You use solid visible evidence. I use solid invisible evidence. I'm defending nothing. I'm only telling the truth. Over and over. Not trying to convince or convert. That's just silly. I know you've known the truth. It's so much easier to believe a lie.
Haha. One of the reasons I'm meticulous is because I have OCD. I have thought many nights about God and religion, which is what drove me to becoming an atheist. If I the truth were to ever find me, it would have been then. However, I will always keep an open mind and wait on God to someday at least respond to the many prayers that I have "sent" him.
The opening question still has not been proven thorough enough for myself to jump on the bandwagon... I can accept the fact that my take on evolution may not b correct but this video is mainly based on an anwser to a question that has not been proven (in my eyes)I believe evolution is possible, however, we are at the top of the food chain not by coinsidence alone... there is something that connects EVERY1 together, even the ones that don't believe its true.. keep asking and the anwsers will come
@charles54l Um...not exactly. The Theory of Evolution has been scientifically evaluated, tested, proven, and accepted by the scientific community. If, in your eyes, Evolution has not been proven, then your eyes have not been adequately directed to the abundance of evidence to state the contrary. You also give no evidence or reasoning of your own to show why there Must be something that connects "EVERY1" and which also shows our existence at the top of the food chain to be something unnatural...
physically speaking we are not at the top if the food chain, without our tools we are nothing more than prey to larger species and we could only feast on herbivores, like we do anyway.
We only see ourselves at the top of the food chain, primarily because of our capability to use and improve tools that we have developed.
The other high apes also have the ability to use tools, however the difference between us and them is that we are more creative then they are and we are bald!!!
@JustinTheAtheist Well it wouldnt be a theory if it were proven. I am a devout Christian and believe in evolution within creation.
Forget the six days of creation. The concept of 'time' that used to create the earth, to me, refers to evolution, the ages of the earth, etc within that time.
Ill be publishing a book in the near future, once and for all linking evolution and creation. The two fit perfectly, if you allow them to.
i think we are the
3 - Dimensional image of a 4 - Dimensional god.
lol, i dunno.
...like that video with carl sagan and the tesserect.
JustinBieberSlave 1 month ago
@10brink I didn't use my voice because I didn't want my videos to be judged by performance; I want my ideas to be taken seriously, and in retrospect, it didn't help one bit.
JustinTheAtheist 1 month ago
Y U NO Use your own voice?
10brink 1 month ago
If we were made in gods image, why aren't we invisible?
bleesev2 5 months ago 2
well thats irony for you, a man who has worked with the likes of Bohm, Feynman, Hawkings and Penrose is now suggesting that we are 3d holographic images projected from a 2d god( 10^123BITS(max.info) existing on our future/cosmological horizon. Sarfatti also claims that our future horizon has a singularity attached to it just like our past particle horizon(big bang), tongue in cheek he refers to them as the alpha and the omega. It seems retrocausality is on its way back, from the future.
Awhiffofsuspicion 7 months ago
spiritualy in God's image ... yep we are not connected to God and spiritualy we don't look like him because we are cut off from Him by sin ...we need God's Holy Spirit working IN us in order to become like him (i.e. it's a process) "for you are not in the flesh but in the spirit , if so be that the spirit of God dwell in you . " whoever does not have the spirit of God , he is none of His . ...the Holy spirit is given to a man after real repentance and proper baptism . so yea............
Secretwow2 7 months ago
@Secretwow2 Thanks for sharing your beliefs. They are even more absurd than I thought...
JustinTheAtheist 7 months ago
@JustinTheAtheist well you assumed that the man is made in God's image = assumed the bible has real authority (it has but it's a long subject) ...so "assuming" the bible is right then ye that's my belief xD
Secretwow2 7 months ago
@Secretwow2 That's funny. I made these videos to voice my opinions of the subjects being forced upon me by christian youtubers (and pretty much christians in general - that feel the need to "save" me from my own self inquiry).
Again, believe what you want, but try not to take the rest of us down with you.
JustinTheAtheist 5 months ago
@JustinTheAtheist that goes for you too ...wait does it ? ...hmm ...yep it does
Secretwow2 5 months ago
@JustinTheAtheist Well lets finish that vesre. In Genesis 1: 26 we are made in his image according to or after his LIKENESS. We are like god as in we are intelligent. Intelligent = having good understanding or a high mental capacity; quick to comprehend etc. We are not made according to his kind as it said with all other creations. We are "like" God. There is a big difference. (most of us don't follow the theory of evolution also.)
DecentExposureMedia 4 months ago
@DecentExposureMedia "(most of us don't follow the theory of evolution also.)"
It's okay. That's just yet another incorrect belief that you feel the need to tell everyone. We understand, and we're here for you, if you ever decide to break away from misguided religious dogmas.
Have a nice day!
JustinTheAtheist 4 months ago
@JustinTheAtheist "Have a nice day!" ooooohhhhhWhat?!!! Anyway, I accept evolution, I debate the theory. Not a big deal...
DecentExposureMedia 4 months ago
Does anyone here have any evidence or reasoning behind your personal beliefs? My guess is no.
JustinTheAtheist 1 year ago
@JustinTheAtheist I guess we could start at- nothing can be created from nothing. God was the energy making up the singularity, and so on...
Funny thing is no one can prove or disprove that, so we are both left in the same boat.
Sextonius 1 year ago
@Sextonius If your definition of "God" includes consciousness, it cannot logically exist. See my videos for clarification.
JustinTheAtheist 1 year ago
@JustinTheAtheist I have seen your videos, and they, like all other videos, dont really clarify a whole lot. You, like every other human being, do not have the answer, or anything close to an all-inclusive theory. If you did, you sure as heck wouldnt be making videos on Youtube.
Thats exactly why we have no clear answer, because we narrow our scope to 'the logical'. Little about creation and especially the universe is logical, why would you suppose the concept or existence of God is.
Sextonius 1 year ago
@Sextonius Why would you trust such a flawed human awareness, as you've illustrated us all to be, by acknowledging the existence or possible existence of a man-made invention?
JustinTheAtheist 1 year ago
@JustinTheAtheist Dont you see bro, understanding of creation, the universe, evolution- is inherently flawed. I wouldnt expect to, nor do I seek to have every answer to the gaps in our understanding of these issues.
Funny, for such a man-made law (Christ's law), no one man can follow it. You would think a man would have made something up a bit more conducive to human disposition, practice and desire...
Sextonius 1 year ago
@Sextonius Do you honestly think that Christianity, or theism in general, answers ANYTHING?
JustinTheAtheist 1 year ago
@JustinTheAtheist It certainly gives insight to exactly what science ie biology, physics, etc has not, cannot, and probably never will answer
Sextonius 1 year ago
@Sextonius Well, if you believe that, good for you, but don't expect the thinking community to take you seriously.
JustinTheAtheist 1 year ago
@JustinTheAtheist My friend, I am quite sure my criteria speaks for itself in the academic world, if you would like to inquire into my contribution to the most widely used university introductory quantum physics text book, as well as countless text of the like disciplinary.
Many of today's most brilliant minds, with a fairly intricate and deep understanding of the complexities of the cosmos, incidentally share the same feelings as myself.
You may not be on as populated of a 'boat' as u think
Sextonius 1 year ago
@Sextonius What you do in the scientific community will never benefit from anything you bring from your religious nonsense.
By all means, please give even ONE example of how your religious views benefit ANYTHING scientific.
JustinTheAtheist 1 year ago
@JustinTheAtheist If it is such nonsense, why has no one completely disproven the existence of God?
And besides, I never made any correlation between the two, this type of correlation is completely unnecessary. How about you give me one example of how your disbelief in God effects your knowledge of creation/the cosmos/evolution.
I have an extensive knowledge of Scripture, and I think we can safely assume that my knowledge of the universe and its origins far surpasses yours...
Sextonius 1 year ago
@Sextonius God has been disproved. The definitions contradict themselves.
Yes, you did make the correlation by bringing up religion in a discussion of knowledge. Religion is the opposite of knowledge.
My skepticism allows me to consider different scientific theories and better understand why they are supported and/or rejected.
No, I think the opposite. Your extensive knowledge of a certain set of scriptures makes your knowledge of the universe and its origins virtually nonexistent, like God.
JustinTheAtheist 1 year ago
@JustinTheAtheist Wrong. GOd has been disproved? We would not be having this conversation if that were true.
I believe I have asserted the many gaps I, you, and everyone else has in all of this, so my recognition of this fact shows that I am not arrogant. You, however, arrogantly assert your claims as if they have no error or alternative possibilities, indeed, as if they are fact.
Sextonius 1 year ago
@Sextonius There are no arguments for the existence of any god that are sound, and there are plenty of arguments against the existence of "God" that are indeed sound.
I understand that I have likely offended you, but if you are so easily offended, then you deserve to be offended. You just can't face the bitter truth.
JustinTheAtheist 1 year ago
@JustinTheAtheist (cont) So where does that leave you? Not having too much knowledge of either. You just assume some dogmatic, narrow-minded christians are indicative of all christians. Therefore, that seems to effectively close your mind to having a one-sided view of things.
I base my opinions and beliefs on gathering knowledge of all parameters of an issue or subject.
Nonetheless, there is a God, as there is no other explanation for, for one, why we are unable to fully understand creation
Sextonius 1 year ago
@Sextonius How do you somehow Know what I do and don't know? Interesting how arrogant your religious teachings must be. Hm.
I assume nothing of someone until they show themselves. You've shown that you are a narrow-minded and arrogant christian. Bummer.
No, you base your beliefs on a foundation of beliefs that you will never reconsider, like God.
Nonetheless, there are no gods, and there are plenty of scientific explanations of the universe's origin that never mention any gods.
JustinTheAtheist 1 year ago
@JustinTheAtheist I do comparative analyses to deduce your knowledge. It would seem that you are fairly intelligent, but indeed it is you who are narrow minded, because you allow for no possibility of God, or a creator, and the most brilliant minds of history could not and do not suggest that as a certainty.
Again, check out my work on Introductory quantum physics and statistical mechanics. Youll find that I have a far reaching grasp (but incomplete) on creation from a scientific perspective
Sextonius 1 year ago
@Sextonius Incorrect again. I've researched both sides and have realized that the Pro-God side is based on nothing reasonable. However, you won't allow yourself to disbelieve in your god. If you see my channel page, you'll see that I believe NOTHING with absolute certainty. However, it's just obvious that there are no gods. After reading all of the arguments for and against, this just becomes even more clear.
I'm sure you've got degrees in every topic that we'll ever talk about also. Right?
JustinTheAtheist 1 year ago
@JustinTheAtheist haha absolutely not. But I do tend to speak only about that which I know. I have referenced my well respected and accepted work in one of the most crucial branches toward a scientific knowledge of origins. And dont pretend to be anything more or less.
You havent really offended me, its just frustrating going back and forth in an e-convo. and I apologize if I have offended you. Undoubtedly, we share many of the same understandings.
Sextonius 1 year ago
@Sextonius
1.) Ultimate Boeing 747 Gambit
2.) Argument from Poor Design
3.) Argument from Free Will
4.) Problem of Evil
5.) Argument from Contradictory Super Powers (will be on my website when it finishes publishing the update)
6.) Omnipotence Paradoxes
Go find out why God Cannot Exist.
JustinTheAtheist 1 year ago
@JustinTheAtheist i really wish i could go through all these with you right now. but 1). bummer Dawkins, evolution by natural selection is NOT a completely workable solution, because it also involves, inherently, random genetic mutation... Random... basically the same thing as applying a Creator to things that cannot be understood/answered/explained.
Ill get to some more tomorrow. Oh man, dont you see, you can refute ANY argument equally on either side, even your precious dawkins
Sextonius 1 year ago
@Sextonius *FACE PALM* -_-
Do you actually understand what "random" means? It is the lack of information/variables that causes us to assign the term "random" in order to understand the big picture. If you're trying to say that "random" is "God" then you are using the Argument from Ignorance. That won't get you anywhere in the thinking community. And are you so closed-minded that you won't read any of the other arguments because I have one by Dawkins? That'll show me!
You just don't get it. -_-
JustinTheAtheist 1 year ago
@JustinTheAtheist haha face palm? Good one. I read all your stuff. Dude, your a plagiarizer! I have turnitin, and the majority of your work is someone else's all cut and pasted in sentence segments. Ultimate Fail. If this were a university environment, youd be expelled for academic dishonestly.
Stop wasting my time. Submit your own work, that way it would be obvious that you actually know what your talking about.
Sextonius 1 year ago
@Sextonius Again, I am not a dimwitted fool like you, and I will not make up a story. I have provided arguments that are not my own, and I don't claim that they are my own. However, I have paraphrased their words into mine in order for them to make more sense to stupid people. Apparently stupid people just can't understand the simplest of things.
JustinTheAtheist 1 year ago
@JustinTheAtheist Sachs, I.; Sen, S.; Sexton, J.C. 2006. "Elements of Statistical Mechanics: With an Introduction to Quantum Field Theory and Numerical Simulation". Cambridge University Press, New York.
Vranas, P.; Blumrich, M. A.; Chen, D.; Gara, A.; Giampapa, M.; Heidelberger, P.; Salapura, V.; Sexton, J.C.; Soltz, R.; Bhanot, G. 2008. "Massively Parallel Quantum Chromodynamics". IBM Journal of Research and Development, Vol. 52(1-2): 189-198.
Sextonius 1 year ago
@Sextonius Get help.
JustinTheAtheist 1 year ago
@JustinTheAtheist get older
Sextonius 1 year ago
@Sextonius Juvenile.
JustinTheAtheist 1 year ago
@JustinTheAtheist ?? I don't really understand your reply to my references. A pathetic escape from being out of your league, I presume.
Sextonius 1 year ago
@Sextonius ANYONE can see you're a troll. I thought you were smart enough to get the hint that I know, but apparently you a slower troll.
JustinTheAtheist 1 year ago
@JustinTheAtheist troll? little girls? self-esteem?
You have nothing more to say, aside from these pathetic remarks. God bless you Justin
Sextonius 1 year ago
@Sextonius I have nothing more to say until someone else makes an intelligent comment. Since that isn't happening, I guess this is over.
JustinTheAtheist 1 year ago
@JustinTheAtheist Big guy, I have contributed more to modern science than your little website and youtube account ever could.
paraphrase (n) a rewording of something written or spoken by someone else.
Here and there, but not everything you say! You cant just present an argument with 90% paraphrasing.
Sextonius 1 year ago
@Sextonius I want to let you know, you aren't just high on the list of unintelligent people I've met. You're at the top of the crazies, and that's saying something.
JustinTheAtheist 1 year ago
@JustinTheAtheist Many of the most brilliant minds since the age of enlightenment were considered clinically crazy.
Are you challenged? No, no don't answer that. References!! Look at my references! Do you require more? I can actually send the literature to a PO Box if your low on cash as a college student.
Sextonius 1 year ago
@Sextonius You're not that special. You're just crazy.
JustinTheAtheist 1 year ago
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@JustinTheAtheist Sachs, I.; Sen, S.; Sexton, J.C. 2006. "Elements of Statistical Mechanics: With an Introduction to Quantum Field Theory and Numerical Simulation". Cambridge University Press, New York.
Vranas, P.; Blumrich, M. A.; Chen, D.; Gara, A.; Giampapa, M.; Heidelberger, P.; Salapura, V.; Sexton, J.C.; Soltz, R.; Bhanot, G. 2008. "Massively Parallel Quantum Chromodynamics". IBM Journal of Research and Development, Vol. 52(1-2): 189-198.
Sextonius 1 year ago
@JustinTheAtheist THese make me special. Ill wait a few years for you to get your degree, publish something, and let me know little buddy.
Sextonius 1 year ago
@Sextonius I'm glad you're not taking this personally and allowing emotions to control you.
JustinTheAtheist 1 year ago
@JustinTheAtheist Justin, it depends on what you consider personal. You made an arrogant and pompous remark that questioned my contribution to science and humanity, and my over all intelligence. I quickly retorted by identifying my research and literature, which is undoubtedly exemplary, and just out of your league.
Come to find you are merely a undergraduate student, however intelligent you may seemingly be. Just stop writing your smartass remarks back, and you will cease to hear from me
Sextonius 1 year ago
@Sextonius You seriously think that anyone will believe that you are a person of intelligence and importance? Are you assuming that there are people stupid enough to believe anything?
You still have yet to answer any of the 6 arguments against the existence of God, which show that God Cannot Exist, and I'm not going to get distracted.
Answer the questions, admit your dishonesty, and/or get a life and stop responding.
Oh, and is English your native language?
JustinTheAtheist 1 year ago
@JustinTheAtheist Are you straight up retarded? Seriously, what is your malfunction. You seem to be an absolute idiot in denial. Sexton... Do you see it in the references? Do you think I really care at this point what you think?
I am writing on youtube genius, like most people on here, Im obviously not concerned with me grammer. You are a child. You dont prove anything with your 6 proofs of the non-existence of God. You prove nothing. Just that you are lost, lonely, and will be forever
Sextonius 1 year ago
@Sextonius As I am not intellectually bankrupt and blatantly dishonest, like you, I will continue to show why God Cannot Exist, and why you are a fake, even though most people will see that you're a troll anyway.
Do you really care at this point what I think? Yes. Obviously you care about my opinion; you are commenting directly to me on my own video. Clearly, you do care.
So how stupid are you? I guess we'll find out by how many replies you make.
JustinTheAtheist 1 year ago
@JustinTheAtheist No one knows the exact origins of the universe. If someone did, we wouldn't have this conversation. You are a young college student, and I, an established scholar, academic, and scientist. Accept that. You have given me no references from your own work, because you do not have any. You are a young boy. You cut and paste other people theories and science. That does not take any intelligence at all. Accept that too. Like I said, you are out of your league, stop talking
Sextonius 1 year ago
@Sextonius And just like all trolls, he continues to make the opposing party seem lesser than he/she really is by spreading lies.
No, my "work" is not "cut and paste" material. I obtained many arguments for and against the existence of God, pasted them in an ordered layout, deleted those which failed to have any intellectual importance, and finally paraphrased all of them. And, naturally, there is nothing crediting the arguments to myself. Why would there be? These are famous arguments.
JustinTheAtheist 1 year ago
@Sextonius I realize that all you want to do is make yourself feel better than someone else out there, but you're not. You can't type correctly, you have no accomplishments, and you're a loser. Get over it.
And don't expect to have any power to be able to silence people like the church you probably attend. You have no league, because you have nothing.
JustinTheAtheist 1 year ago
@JustinTheAtheist Your six cut and pasted arguments, much of which is Dawkins verbatum- Word to the not so wise, they don't prove anything! They are theories, not fact. If they were fact, way more people would have recognized them as such and accepted them. Instead, those that adhere to them are a large Minority!!
Where are your references/your own writing, that make you by any means credible? Show me those, and I will answer your questions.
Sextonius 1 year ago
@Sextonius My arguments don't prove anythiny?
Great!
SHOW ME
Again, most of these arguments are famous arguments that have yet to be refuted. If you can do so, you'd quickly cease to be a nobody.
So? Where's this profound wisdom you have? Were you born with it, or did you gain it within the 12 years of your life?
JustinTheAtheist 1 year ago
@JustinTheAtheist justin... Try avoiding the trolls
lnmylife 1 year ago 2
@JustinTheAtheist I almost forgot, how rude of me. Yes, English is my native language, as I am from Dublin. Not that I have a problem with it at all, nor do I judge you, but are men your first preference? Because you look very much like a homosexual in your picture.
I'll be going away for a week, but while I am gone, either REFERENCES or just give up
Sextonius 1 year ago
@Sextonius So I'm supposed to believe that you are "an established scholar, academic, and scientist" while you are in fact a homophobic bigot? Sorry, but that's not how the world works.
So, we're still waiting on you to provide anything that is not false. Bigoted comments are equally meaningless, but thanks for your time.
JustinTheAtheist 1 year ago
@Sextonius If English is indeed your first language, and you're not a little 12-year-old, then please tell me why you don't seem to understand the difference between a contraction and a possessive pronoun.
JustinTheAtheist 1 year ago
@Sextonius Oh, you apparently think that I care whether or not you comment back. No, you're not that important. Sorry.
However, I'd love to hear an intelligent comment out of you. My friends and I don't think you can do it, but I think it would be funny if you did. So, do you have any actual replies to any of the 6 arguments against the existence of God that show that God Cannot Exist?
JustinTheAtheist 1 year ago
@JustinTheAtheist
You are a rookie, and while your seemingly intelligent mind shows potential to contribute to humanity, you have much to learn about avoiding a dogmatic view, although you preach adamantly against that very thing.
Sorry for the typos, I dont even know why I am spending time on writing back and forth to you. Dont bother writing back, Im done with you, Justin.
Sextonius 1 year ago
@Sextonius Self-esteem can be helped without playing pretend on the internet with people you don't know.
JustinTheAtheist 1 year ago
@JustinTheAtheist I would suggest purchasing these online, but quite honestly, like many you probably wouldn't understand most of it.
There exists many things that no one understands to this day, its called the nonexistence of an all-encompassing theory- you know, inability to 'connect the dots' (So many quantum physicists don't even get it, so yeah, I'm assuming you wouldn't either, unless mommy and daddy traditionally refer to you as boy-genius).
Incidentally, I have enjoyed this though.
Sextonius 1 year ago
@Sextonius I really hope you're not some sick pedophile, and I'm going to hope you're just a misunderstood teenage girl searching to be successful or something.
Really?
Please say you're messing with me. You're not really this much of a loser, are you?
JustinTheAtheist 1 year ago
@JustinTheAtheist Check out my research. I've given you some references, and can give you more.
This new self-esteem/little girl approach to our little argument is pathetic.
Sextonius 1 year ago
@Sextonius And are you seriously still commenting to someone when you said "I'm done with you"
By all means, if you have anything at all intelligent to say, now is the time to say it. Otherwise, go try to be productive.
JustinTheAtheist 1 year ago
@JustinTheAtheist my work is published, and can easily be retrieved. Indeed when you begin to either write your own stuff, or cite references, you will most likely cite me if your into quantum physics.
Plagiarism, thatll show me!!
You clearly dont get it, as you so smoothly submit others' work.
Sextonius 1 year ago
@Sextonius I paraphrase, and you've wrote nothing? I haven't seen a god damned thing written by you about anything scientific, unless you made that unintelligent joke of a website for jesus.
JustinTheAtheist 1 year ago
@JustinTheAtheist Humor me, and check this out. It is elementary as youll find, and if youd like more complicated stuff, of substance (it gets dirty, inexplicable, well into q. mech.), let me know
Sextonius 1 year ago
@Sextonius I'm fine, but thanks. I'm actually getting my degrees from a university like most people.
JustinTheAtheist 1 year ago
@JustinTheAtheist haha ok big guy. You present yourself to be open to news ideas, knowledge, etc that may hold some significance, but clearly not. Bummer.
Thats great youve pursued higher education, excellent. Give me a shout if you need any help.
Sextonius 1 year ago
@Sextonius What NEW ideas have you presented?
Answer: None
Again, Bummer.
All I want is for people to think. That's not much, is it?
JustinTheAtheist 1 year ago
@JustinTheAtheist diddo. You have presented nothing new, nor does your website. In fact for all those who are actually reading this, you messaged me with a bunch of mostly cut and pasted information. Thats called plagiarism. I have Turnitin, and your busted. The majority of what you wrote me was someone else's work. Nice try though.
Sextonius 1 year ago
@Sextonius It's called paraphrasing existing ideas. What did you expect me to do, make things up on the spot like you? No, I turn to existing arguments that have stood strong for years on their own.
JustinTheAtheist 1 year ago
@JustinTheAtheist couldnt post website, sorry. ill try to get it to you
Sextonius 1 year ago
We should all be expected to be spiritual beings because some of us are? Thats like saying that since I have excellent vision, and can read a sign from 50 feet away, then all humans should be able to do the same. Some dont see as clearly as others though. Assuming that there is a master creator, if we are different from nature (ie knowledge of good/evil, moral code, soul, etc) then clearly we are special to the creator.
Sextonius 1 year ago
The Bible says God made man in His image and likeness.. This is not figurative by any means. The bible does not say God made man in his appearance. Likeness and image refers to the soul, a moral code. Thats what separates Nature from Human.
Sextonius 1 year ago
Made in Gods image is reference to the intellect the cognitive process of mankind the ability to use reason,logic, and understanding to understand the world. this is the only thing that divides humanity from the animal kingdom.
doctorw2 1 year ago
@doctorw2 "this is the only thing that divides humanity from the animal kingdom"
That's just not true. There are plenty of other animals that can communicate with one another and preserve knowledge amongst the species. These are other animals that can understand a basic level of reality. Examples of such intelligent animals are dolphins, squid, octopi, dogs, and cats.
JustinTheAtheist 1 year ago
@JustinTheAtheist can animals decipher between concepts such as good and evil? can they contemplate their reason for existence? do they long to be more than what they are or improve their condition? the obvious answer is no animals are content to live within the confines of instinct.
doctorw2 1 year ago
@doctorw2 Who are you to say that there aren't animals other than humans with high levels of intelligence?
JustinTheAtheist 1 year ago
@JustinTheAtheis its not me saying that, science says so.
doctorw2 1 year ago
@doctorw2 It says nothing of the sort. That is your opinion.
JustinTheAtheist 1 year ago
@JustinTheAtheist science says animals have some rudimentary elements of intelligence but, on the whole animals can not conceive concepts that only a more sophisticated sort of mind can produce. an animal is content with its enviroment and does not seek to change its condition humans on the other hand are always seeking change and ways of bettering their condition.
doctorw2 1 year ago
@doctorw2 First of all, there could very well be intelligent life somewhere else in this universe. Second, we don't understand much about the brains of animals, humans or otherwise. Chimps and dolphins have been shown to be very intelligent creatures, as well as squid and octopi. There is nothing that we have discovered that would make intelligence in these or other creatures impossible. You are assuming that your opinion is correct, and that's not smart.
JustinTheAtheist 1 year ago
@JustinTheAtheist yes there is intelligent life in the universe that is far more advanced than mankinds that is a fact but, as for the animals here on earth no they are in a fixed mental state they can not exceed the perimeters of instinct. to say a squid contemplates on its own existence is like saying a tree has the ability of speech. science is based on logic and reason through observation and so far scientists have only observed residual intelligence in animals.
doctorw2 1 year ago
@doctorw2 First of all, no; it is not a FACT that there is intelligent life in the universe far more advanced than human intelligence. We have no information about any intelligent life other than our own. Science has not yet begun to understand what intelligence and consciousness really are. You have no room to talk on the matter with any degree of expertise, because no one has reached that level of understanding yet.
JustinTheAtheist 1 year ago
@JustinTheAtheist sorry it is a fact justin, just because some people have not reached a particular level of understanding doesn't mean others have not. By the way i have a degree in the sciences.
doctorw2 1 year ago
@doctorw2 what again are you saying is fact? I hope your not referring to the far more intelligent life than human comment you made above. Particular levels of understanding are far different than making inferences and assumptions based on what is likely to be true.
Sextonius 1 year ago
@Sextonius listen the bible was written by men of a different culture and world view than the people of modern times. the book of genesis is an allegoricle narrative and if you could read the language the bible was written in you would understand this. a rabbi once told me the bible well at least the hebrew part of it what christians call the old testament is only the back parts of GOD and not his face since no person could bare that much truth.
doctorw2 1 year ago
@doctorw2 Fact that there is far more intelligent life than human? Dude, where you gettin your facts?
The separation between nature and Human is exactly what the Bible does.
Sextonius 1 year ago
@JustinTheAtheist Right and wrong, good and bad, a moral code- thats what separates humans from nature.
Sextonius 1 year ago
@JustinTheAtheist This entire page of comments is completely dependent upon how we define intelligence. THe ability to manipulate an environment and build cities for instance is of absolutely no use to say humpback whales, so they are not intelligent?
Sextonius 1 year ago
@doctorw2 it is these characteristics (ie concepts of good and evil, existence, moral code) that the Bible speaks of when referring to God making man in his image and likeness. It has nothing to do with God 'looking' like a man.
Sextonius 1 year ago
@Sextonius thats partly true, the image of GOD is refering to the cognitive ability of man it is talking about the mind not physical appearance, thats the real true meaning.
doctorw2 1 year ago
@doctorw2 I agree 100%. Your on it
Sextonius 1 year ago
Very interesting and "unselfish".
TheSpiritOfTruth 1 year ago
Where's the comment I wrote earlier?
Feldmm1 2 years ago
Sorry; some bug did not allow me to see them.
Feldmm1 2 years ago
While I agree FULLY that we are not the center of everything AND we're not as important as we think; it's not arrogant to share a connection with God.
If you make a PB&J sandwich, it is yours, and will be a part of you.
We didn't evolve into humans.
If we did... why are there still monkeys? Furthermore... why are there still humans?
NFM2468 2 years ago
So you don't accept the Theory of Evolution? Hmm..
Monkeys are not "still here" as you say. If you merely research Evolution, you'd see that humans and apes Share a common ancestor. That means that there was a species of primate that split into multiple species, one of which were early humans, and the others were other primates (like the apes of today). Our evolution went in one direction, while the evolution of the other primate species went in their own separate directions.
JustinTheAtheist 2 years ago
What is the Ancestoral Species you say we came from...
and, genetically, how is it possible for one species to split into two?
If a PB&J sandwich forms in the middle of a random closed in hole somewhere, with not creature ever to find it... it has no purpose. If you make the sandwich... it has a purpose; "to be eaten". If you believe we just randomly formed, why do we even matter? We have no purpose. We shouldn't even try living if that's the case. We were created. That's why we matter/love.
NFM2468 2 years ago
I'm not going to begin to try to teach you Evolution. Go look at some videos by DonExodus2 or something to learn about what Evolution really is.
Purpose is self-generated. We each make our own purposes in our own lives. We exist, and each of us finds our own purposes in our short little lives. There need not be a creator for purpose to exist, as we create the purpose ourselves.
JustinTheAtheist 2 years ago
Is there proof that we came from this species? Because I'm sure there isn't.
We aren't smart enough to generate our own purpose. One may think their purpose is to help children; the same may find out they can offer no sufficient help to children. If we were created from nothing, and we're going nowhere when we die; WE HAVE NO PURPOSE. Our existence doesn't matter because while we're here, whatever difference we make will simply pass away eventually and add up to nothing but a wasted life.
NFM2468 2 years ago
Yes, there is Plenty of evidence that we humans evolved (and still evolve), just as all other life on this planet does. Have you heard of Lucy, one of the oldest descendants of human?
We create our own purpose. Some may choose to see the world as meaningless, but it has whatever meaning you give it. Whether God exists or not is irrelevant.
JustinTheAtheist 2 years ago
Although I agree we evole to a certain extent, I know we didn't come from another species. And no, I haven't heard of Lucy. She wasn't in my history books I suppose.
We cannot create our own purpose. If I want my purpose to be a baby-maker and I'm impotent, I can't create my purpose. It's not possible to create a purpose for yourself. You didn't create yourself, so you don't get to decide why you're here. If I give the meaning of life to be eating candy, it doesn't make it so.
NFM2468 2 years ago
You can't give meaning to anything. Everything has it's own meaning already. You can't say we generate our purpose, because we didn't put ourselves here. What we do with our lives is up to us. However, why we're on Earth is out of our reach and beyond our mental grasps.
NFM2468 2 years ago
Nothing is beyond our mental grasps. The only limits are put their by ourselves.
JustinTheAtheist 2 years ago
Lucy is one of the many fossils found of our ancient ancestors. The human species slowly evolved from another species.
Yes, we create our own purpose every day. We decide what to do with our lives, and that is what purpose we create for ourselves. However, you did bring about a good piece of evidence against the existence of freewill. We do no choose to exist; we just exist. True freewill would guarantee all choices to be truly free, including whether or not to exist, and how to exist.
JustinTheAtheist 2 years ago
I'll look in to that. We choose what to do with our lives,Justin, but that's not our purpose. I can go to McDonald's right now (by choice) that doesn't mean my "purpose in life is to go there. You cannot create a purpose, or anything else for that matter. The definition of creation is to make something from nothing. When the materials have already been provided,we can't "create" anything. Yes we have choice. But choice and purpose are two completely different things;can't create why we're here.
NFM2468 2 years ago
I think we are finally in agreement here; it's all a matter of definitions and terms.
JustinTheAtheist 2 years ago
I've agreed with you on many things. You're very intelligent. Very logical. Very meticulous. I only see without eyes, feel without heart, and think without brain. You use solid visible evidence. I use solid invisible evidence. I'm defending nothing. I'm only telling the truth. Over and over. Not trying to convince or convert. That's just silly. I know you've known the truth. It's so much easier to believe a lie.
NFM2468 2 years ago
Haha. One of the reasons I'm meticulous is because I have OCD. I have thought many nights about God and religion, which is what drove me to becoming an atheist. If I the truth were to ever find me, it would have been then. However, I will always keep an open mind and wait on God to someday at least respond to the many prayers that I have "sent" him.
JustinTheAtheist 2 years ago
Haha, that's cool man. You'll be in my prayers for sure. Good things WILL happen. Just sit back and watch Justin.
NFM2468 2 years ago
The opening question still has not been proven thorough enough for myself to jump on the bandwagon... I can accept the fact that my take on evolution may not b correct but this video is mainly based on an anwser to a question that has not been proven (in my eyes)I believe evolution is possible, however, we are at the top of the food chain not by coinsidence alone... there is something that connects EVERY1 together, even the ones that don't believe its true.. keep asking and the anwsers will come
charles54l 2 years ago
@charles54l Um...not exactly. The Theory of Evolution has been scientifically evaluated, tested, proven, and accepted by the scientific community. If, in your eyes, Evolution has not been proven, then your eyes have not been adequately directed to the abundance of evidence to state the contrary. You also give no evidence or reasoning of your own to show why there Must be something that connects "EVERY1" and which also shows our existence at the top of the food chain to be something unnatural...
JustinTheAtheist 2 years ago
To add to Justin
physically speaking we are not at the top if the food chain, without our tools we are nothing more than prey to larger species and we could only feast on herbivores, like we do anyway.
We only see ourselves at the top of the food chain, primarily because of our capability to use and improve tools that we have developed.
The other high apes also have the ability to use tools, however the difference between us and them is that we are more creative then they are and we are bald!!!
9noitulover 2 years ago
@9noitulover Thats the only difference? Come on you serious? You might want to alter that statement
Sextonius 1 year ago
@Sextonius
Haven't a clue what you're talking about. Clarify.
9noitulover 1 year ago
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@9noitulover "he difference between us and them is that we are more creative then they are and we are bald!"
Im just going to assume that you are joking here.
Sextonius 1 year ago
@JustinTheAtheist Well it wouldnt be a theory if it were proven. I am a devout Christian and believe in evolution within creation.
Forget the six days of creation. The concept of 'time' that used to create the earth, to me, refers to evolution, the ages of the earth, etc within that time.
Ill be publishing a book in the near future, once and for all linking evolution and creation. The two fit perfectly, if you allow them to.
Sextonius 1 year ago
1. Man's image is the same as God's image
2. Man's image is the product of evolution
3. Therefore, God's image is the product of evolution.
I am not quite sure this works, as there is more than one way for certain things to come about.
As for spirituality, my former religion would probably just say that people are not looking at the Christ light within them.
I have never heard anyone say that we were made from God.
Yes, we are self-centered, but it is difficult to disprove that
Feldmm1 2 years ago
God, if he exists, values us higher than anything else. Theists are likely to refer to "God's plan" to explain the vastness of the universe.
Feldmm1 2 years ago
I agree that we are mistaken to think the whole universe is about man kind. Good video, I like metaphysical theories, keep them coming.
NubianTribesman 2 years ago
Basically cultures create God / gods in their own image.
If God exists it would be something totally beyond our comprehension.. It would have no human characteristics at all.
aartvegan 2 years ago
Exactly. God/gods is/are created in the image of the humans that invent the God/gods.
Thanks for your interest ^_^
JustinTheAtheist 2 years ago
If you wnt to know what god thinks about each of us, next time you wlk down a sidewalk pay attention to the ants you step on.
theworldturnsdaily 2 years ago
Good points.
The concept of 'God' / 'gods' has evolved over time.
In the western world we can see this in the evolution of Chris,t from Semetic looking to Aryan looking.
aartvegan 2 years ago