German longsword master cuts demo

[TheEidolon7]

very nice.

[Wishmaster616]

Your Zornhau sucks.

[gurkfisk89]

@Wishmaster616

What? I would say that the one at around 18s was a near perfekt zorn-ort. The footwork may not be the best, but still the cut was good.

Sure, some of them wasn't that good but this is sparring. If you explain what it is that sucks he could learn more but this is a old video so I think his zornhau today /sucks/ a lot less than the ones in the video.

[darkfiete]

nice compilation of the "meisterhäue" in freeplay

[iwhisperwolf]

I love how people see this, assume these guys are masters, and then they instantly become history majors/martial experts capable of judging the performance, lol.

Great work you guys. I'd say the judgement calls on choosing technique need work, but that can happen on a bad day.

The fighting on the roof shows GREAT commitment to footwork. I may show that portion to my own students.

[koloblican11763]

Cool little demo, but those guys in the beginning need to learn how to keep decent balance.

[Arkapok81]

not bad technique, but you really need to feel a full weighted longsword to get a true respect for these moves, it really makes a difference and isnt as easy as it looks

[Kunstdesfechtens]

Those are full-weighted weapons. I have some myself, and they weigh the same as real weapons. Look for RSW (Realistic Sparring Weapons) for the stats. The guy in the video makes them himself. Best padded sparring weapons out there. :)

[Ranziel1]

Master strikes doesn't mean that strikes are done masterfully by the way, it's the name of 5 basic strikes in old German sword fencing.

[VikingWannaBe51887]

If you see a video labeled "Master" chances are they are nothing near it.

Terrible...

[StopMoColorado]

I think it's "master cuts" not, "Master, cuts..". But, yes, I've seen much better bladework, both Asian and European (a Systema and Silat guy myself).

[VikingWannaBe51887]

Systema is a sick martial art! I'v only recently started looking it up.

[blakeboya]

Larry the cable guy style dodge the train

[eddiedaskull]

The theme song for this clip should be ""another one bites the dust""

[tomcat815]

Is that really German's two handed sword technique?

Just like two idiots fighting around....lol

[jayinhk]

lol we realized we both live in HK (but in different parts) and our buildings were built 3 years apart, so that's why the rooftops look alike. :)

[jayinhk]

Was that rooftop in the video in Hong Kong? It looks suspiciously like my rooftop! lol

[memphadon]

lol it IS in hong kong!! haha, the guy might just be your neighbor without you even realizing it

[airnt]

a pity with many boffers is that the are bendy in all directions, rather than just one (like a real blade) that makes it hard to get certain techniques. weight can be another problem. When the weapon is too quick, the footwork tends to suffer

having said all that, pretty cool on getting any meisterhauen in at all! pretty cool!

[theMindwalker]

You guys were a little rough around the edges, and it is true the footwork needs a bit of work, but that is easily fixed. The important thing is you are spending time training.

I would suggest, to make the weapon a little more painful--for the beginners. I started out using wooden weapons and had fingers amongst other things broken. However, I fear the blade to an extent now--so do those I train with. So even though we now use padded weapons, there is hardly ever double kills.

[Valoren]

your feet need to stay planted and you need to watch your balance more.

you hestaite in your strikes...otherwise

glad your getting into it but work on the basics more

[Verbinh]

girls like guys with skills. And apparently... this is one of 'em.

[cor256]

great to see you guys getting into it. but i agree with the other comments, you need to work more on technique, as it appears to be more aimed here at landing a blow, than performing a well executed attack or counter. good to see anyway, thanks for posting.

[tiamat9989]

I agree with entreri83.

Your concepts of the master strikes is ok, but you guys REALLY need to work on footwork.

Nobody did proper stepping, one guy fell (0:24), there are wild lunges where the back foot even lifts off the ground (0:32), feet come too close together (0:30), and there's ugly hopping (1:11).

All martial arts start with balance before special moves--don't learn it in the other way around.

[entmage]

lol, that one dude slipped.

[entreri83]

Just because you throw cuts from the known basic wards (which were poorly done anyway), it doesn't make them effective cuts. Work on the core part first. Namely, footwork and balance.

[celgus]

With real swords, I believe, you would be MUCH more careful with your attacks.

[Battleangelx]

In a contact armored sport those blows wouldn't count, and if you were using real swords I don't think much damage would be done by some of those too. Curious though, if it was full contact why are you all wearing such little armor?

[LancelotChan]

Because the moves used in this demonstration was traditionally unarmored longsword techniques. There were three wounders in German longsword system, which were thrust, slice and cut. The slices were explicitly used against exposed flesh. So we try to wear as little armors as possible to simulate the historical situation.

In armor combat, it would be mainly done with half-swording, grappling and thrusts.

[LancelotChan]

Another note is that in our sparring simulation, we take the weapons as sharp blades, so how much damage the padded weapons do to the body is not 100% relevant to how much damage the sharp blade will do. For example, slicing someone with the padded sword's edge would result in no actual damage at all (thus being safe), but doing the same motion with a live blade will do serious lacerations. A thrust with the sharp tip will penetrate the bone without any difficulty.

[LancelotChan]

Some of my videos were sharp sword test on various targets, including flesh and bones. So we have some idea about what a real sword would do and how much force was needed to inflict certain degree of damage.

[bonzai300]

most of the hits are the result of poor technique by the defenders rather than good technique by the "master"

[LancelotChan]

Choosing the right timing to execute a particular technique is considered an art. None of the techniques shown were invincible. There were many cases that the techniques were defeated by a proper counter measure. This demo shows only the cases where these techniques would work. Each has its design and aim. So when executed in the appropriate timing and situation, it would look like the defender was performing poorly.

After all, it's a "highlight". Not the full picture.

[bonzai300]

Indeed. It's a shame that many times the technique seems to be working because the defender is making a poor defence rather than the "master" is performing a masterful attack. For example not raising the hands high enough in Ochs seems to be a common mistake.

[Djemps]

I'm not sure if you get it. The techniques illustrated in this video are called 'Master Strikes' in the medieval german. In no way is Lance calling himself a master. And yes, some of the strikes land due to a mistake on the opponents part, but many others are due to inherrent counterattack hidden in the masterstrike

[d0su]

Master Strike most likely means that it is a main focus form that most other forms of the school attempt to set up to, leading to the mistake for them to happen

[Mistwraith99]

... not quite certain what you mean, d0su, but there's no ambiguity in what Djemps said. He's right, these are a demonstration of the master strikes of the German system. It's the technique itself that is the 'master strike', not the fighter's execution of it - which, in this video, wasn't particularly great quality, but it's somewhere to start.

[celgus]

Don't turn your back to your opponent after you hit them.