"Teaching the controversy" in Tennessee - Part 2

[9Khaleel7]

Ignorance breeds enmity. You see how upset the black representative seems to be in responding to the woman. I noticed this years ago as a Muslim debating Christians and now as an atheist debating religious people in general.

[kelarael]

What is the point of these education boards? Shouldnt they be full of people who know something about education, and curriculums be made by people who understand the field?

Then people who have concerns with what is being taught or whatever then bring it to the proffessionals.

Science is not decided by consensus, neither is maths, neither is anything else ESPECIALLY in education. I can't go into french class and pass a motion that "bonjour" means "goldfish" and change the meaning of the word.

[eeluminateus]

I believe it was just passed on to the Senate calendar for discussion at this point. Check out the videos of SB0893 on the Tennessee General Assembly site for more of the same.

[Parabol0086]

The term controversy seems to have shifted now. The controversy used to be labelled for ID. It was the controversial alternate theory that they wanted teaching. After they lost their case to get ID in, now they label the so-called "unknowns" of evolution as controversies.

It is a shame that you don't need any scientific background to become a politician, yet so much of the world is based on scientific discoveries. :-/

[detroitboy65]

Here is the trouble: The stupidest among us are in charge.  SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS! ALL gods are MYTH!

The law should be that only secular, reasoning persons should be allowed to fill school boards and other legislative bodies. There should be a test for supernatural nonsense,

[jslyster]

"You can't jump in and say 'I think you're doing it wrong' when you have no idea what they're doing in the first place." That's a quote I'm going to remember for a long time. Brilliant. 8^)

[enysp]

I want to pucnch creationist "Quote miners" in the face...

[crumbinator]

Controversy? The only 'controversy' is among republican morons.

[ACCSESS247]

Don't teach the controversy, teach the truth. EVOLUTION

[bocckoka]

creation - finished. evolution - in progress. and the last retard does not see the controversy. luckily, he remembers what he learned in his science class.

[bocckoka]

these guys represent their retarded voters. non-retarded voters should leave those states, wait till the US breaks up, and leave retards to rot.

[zottejakke3]

Damn boy, nice vids, now subbed :) its a shame this has gotten only so few views..

[ReilockZ]

I'm sure these people think that evolution works exactly like the creature in The Thing.

[JamesJimRaynor]

I say let them have it their way, they want to make their children less educated and qualified; That's there problem. They're free to sabotage their children's futures if they want.

[futureorreligion]

@JamesJimRaynor

All children of that area are going to get worse education.

Do you think that no atheists and moderate christians live in areas populated by high number of creationists?

Education is the most effective way to diminish ignorance. Without proper education:

1 - creationist's children are going to grow up believing creation and will not become moderate christians

2 - children of moderate christians can easily become creationists

[JamesJimRaynor]

@futureorreligion Unfortunately only the board of education's opinion matters.

[shnosifaj]

@venaloid I guess it's just the accusations that bother me. Science isn't about saying "if you don't believe this you are wrong or otherwise unqualified to question it". Science is about saying "hypothesize alternate explanations and test them using scientific methods". If the advocates of this bill were given such a task they would quickly collapse under the many fallacies of their arguments. It's more important that they know how to conduct science than get into a battle of name calling.

[Venaloid]

@shnosifaj - Well then I'd suggest teaching already-decided 'controversies' like the aquatic ape theory, which tried to explain why humans are relatively hairless. Don't give them ones that are either genuine controversies, or ones that are easy to get wrong with a student who knows little about it. Evolution falls in that second category: it's detailed and tricky; don't give it to kids who are just learning how science works.

[shnosifaj]

I don't think you are justified in saying that no one can question science who is not "qualified". Anyone is free to question whatever scientific theory they want, but they must do it scientifically. The main issue is how creationists perceive the debate. Teach creationism or intelligent design in a theology course, without testable evidence it isn't science. Evolution is a scientific theory based on the best evidence we have, you don't have to believe it. That is all a teacher has to say.

[Venaloid]

@shnosifaj - Well you can question it, but your classroom shouldn't be elevated to the rank of a scientific authority. Nor should the student themselves be thus promoted or led to believe that they are qualified to rule on current controversies, whose existence is highly questionable in the first place. Basically, "Yeah, you can disbelieve it, but you're wrong and incapable of demonstrating otherwise."

[shandcunt]

Teach Creaionism, all of it, heres the moari creation myth AKA creation Truth

Rangi and Papa are the primordial parents, the sky father and the earth mother who lie locked together in a tight embrace, they had many children who had no space to live and so pushed their parents apart creating space between the sky and earth so the children can live.

its obvious truth that needs to be taught in the sceince class along with the Xtian, islam, hindu, buhdist, greek creation truths.

[PsychoSymantic]

This bill is unconstitutional, Seperation of church and state.

This is nothing more then religion repackaged.

The simple fact of the matter is these people do NOT understand that creationism fails as both a hypotheses and a scientific theory. Creationism fails as a hypotheses because there is NO testable mechanism. Since this mechanism can NOT be tested, or understood (no man can know the mind of god) then creationism fails as a scientific theory.

[howfuturistic]

I think it's important to witness these types of ignorances. You have to understand your target and why they think what that think. This is how you get to the bottom of their reasoning, and ultimately, how you dismantle their anecdotal evidence as nothing but a shell for belief in a bronze-age collection of myths... of which has nothing to do with science.

Thank you for posting this, Venaloid. It is admittedly too late to fix this issue, but there will be other ones...

[jensarni]

Facepalm moment! My hand is literally glued to my face........

[antonc81]

Great vid but I'm sorry I couldn't even finish watching this... I can't believe people are that stupid.

[akallabror]

good videos, keep posting bro

[InvertedHorizon]

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[Blair63B]

who cares america's going down the shitter anyway and retards like these are unstoppable en mass. move to canada, where i live. youll find the lack of creationist faggots, a stable economy, a working bank system, universal healthcare, one of the best quality of life standards, and competent public schools

[PsychoSymantic]

@Blair63B Ok I'm on my way.

[futureorreligion]

Does this means that if student thinks that 5+9=16, he teacher cant simply say "you are wrong, its 14...", but must waste time discussing all the examples where "smart mathematicians" have written that 5+9=16?

If so, some students are going to exploit this every way they can.

[steveb0503]

I am dumbfounded by the fact that the holes in these legislator's arguments are being pointed out by every third commenter her on YT, but no one was able to show up and put the total smack-down on these clowns right there in the hearing in a way they couldn't wriggle out of.

These idiots CAN be shown to be indisputably and unequivocally WRONG in a way that has nothing to do with anyone's opinion.

Why is this even an issue?

[TrillianAlice]

As I said on an earlier video about this, it made me cry. I don't know what America believes that God will send us weapons. It was all foreign help during WWII that developed our science to a level we needed it to be. Well.kids you will be working a minimum wage job while Chinese and Indian born students take all the jobs away in 2-4 years.

disclaimer I have no problem with people that work for too low a wage or Chinese and Indian kids but don't you want your kids with Dr. and Ph.D degree

[OmnipotentO]

but scientific theories ARE questioned! THAT's what makes them scientific!

The same cannot be said about religion/faith and that's the problem with this whole thing.

[wolfwing1]

How long before it can be removed? Can it b etaken to court like the others?

[FreeThinkingCrusader]

Your getting gray hair dealing with these creatards

[FreeThinkingCrusader]

@FreeThinkingCrusader by the way my uncle is in this video....*not proud of this fact

[Horathgar42]

@FreeThinkingCrusader Doh. Ahhh Oh well. My dad is a pretty big religious nutwad.

[Horathgar42]

HAH ....derrrrp, Yeah they're ignorant.