Why does God exist instead of not existing pffahahahahah! Why do you exist instead of not existing , is that a logical question LMAO ? Make yourself not to exist please do ! Why , because he is God , the ultimate creator , he doesn't asks nobody or give explanation to another higher power cos he is the ULTIMATE , He makes the rules ! Dont ask stupid questions please ! He has created you and you only have two choices , to either believe in him and obey or not believe in him and go to hell fire
@MrCobra811 Is it, elaborate please.? The existence of a god is not written in stone and is therefore not necessary to mans existence or his moral values.
@TheDano1947 So if the existence of God was written in a stone that would be sufficent evidence for you ! We can write it in a stone no problem , if thats what you are looking for ! Why do you exist ? did you choose to exist , did you sign some papers to exist or you had no choice ? You had no choice cos God made you , and now you have two choices , obey and go to paradise or disobey and go to hell fire , just do the maths whichever suits you !
@MrCobra811 Written in stone or engraved in steel does not equate to the existence of a child like god. That I exist is all that matters and if I didn't exist the question would be moot. An eternity of praising and glorifying an insecure god is not my idea of paradise. And why do morons bring up math. Believe or not, if such a being existed heaven or hell would be 6 of one half a dozen of the other.
The existence of a god is not written in stone and is therefore not necessary to mans existence or his moral values. TheDano1947 1 day ago
Now your new comment:
Written in stone or engraved in steel does not equate to the existence of a child like god
You contradict yourself clearly , those were the comments u made , you change your words as you go along and you don't realise that you contradict yourself ! Well Hmmm
the original video made no sense at all! for 5 minutes he just explained how a rock was not a fish and atheists are wrong, in an annoying voice, withut explaining any of his arguments
well, isnt it a scientific idea that matter and/or energy pops in and out of existence? so which is more likely. that it happens for a reason, or that it happens for no reason?
we're conscious, so is it logical to assume, there's no other conscientiousness' in the universe?
ppl who had near death experience (they are effectively brain dead) tell various stories, how they been to other places. since they are brain dead. scientifically they couldnt have experienced anything.
@elmondark so their consciousness must have been detached from the brain. through quantum mechanics that can happen, because a particle can be in multiple places at the same time. so if our consciousness' can be outside our brain. couldnt there be a consciousness that exists without a body?
im not religious, and i dont believe in god. just asking :p
@elmondark ...*sigh* Near death experiences are explained through the fact that dying brains tend to give hallucinations en masse. It's simply really. Far as 'quanutm mechanics' stop using them. you don't know the first thing about quantum mechanics, trust me on this, most scientists...don't know quantum mechanics. It's completely unknown territory. And no, nobody's assuming there's 'no other consciousness in the universe'. that's...silly.
It might be important to remember (and I didnt' think of it but it's pretty clear)there a billions of faithful believers around the world. Unfortunately, a maximum of 1 religion has it right. For that reason the large majority of faithful believers around the world are on the wrong path and destined for eternal damnation.
@lordsong7 Tsk. I truly do find it sad when punks who think they know anything don't understand the importance of askinng why. Seriously ,this is something learned when one is a child, how can you mock a basic fundamental necessity of thought?
@r0bbinz When you say, "If you can't qualify it, it doesn't exist." what does "you" mean? If you're talking about a specific individual, then I'd disagree, as individual minds are sometimes unable to do things that are doable, e.g., Mary is unable to understand algebra because Mary is an idiot. If you mean "you" in the sense that no one is able to quantify something because it's unquantifiable, I agree. I'm assuming the latter?
I mean "you" in the general sense. I was referring to god; since you can't quantify god, he/she/it simply doesn't exist and that can't really be argued.
i love this guys sarcastic facial expressions and condescending remarks lol. subtle yet offensive to the religious recipients. luckily im on his side or i'd wanna kick him in his bean bag......
i suggest you address your queries with Bro. Eli Soriano, the only sensible preacher of our times, who is OPEN to all questions with regards to faith, christianity, bible, God and morality. He will answer logically and supported by biblical verses and evidences. You can converse with him LIVE. Trust me, many aethiest and agnostics have already talked to him and tried testing him. In the end, Bro. Eli Soriano gave them sufficient and concise answers.
The first question does not apply to an infinite being, God is love so morality is not for us to define. your reasoning is pitiful, there has to be an absolute and infinitie start to creation or we would never be able to define the beginning. Let me break it down for you, if everyhthing or everyone came from someone there would be no absolute beginning at all. stupididty always precedes those that exhibit it. This video is an obvious depiction of your special characteristic.
God made the universe out of Love. That's the answer to all of your reasons and all your questions. God is Love, and acts out of Love, which is complete self-giving without reason or necessity... thats why its hard for you to understand WHY the universe exists, because it precisely does exist for no reason! It exists only because God loves it! Which (as strange as it sounds) is no good reason at all!
@Spop456 ``because it precisely does exist for no reason! It exists only because God loves it! Which (as strange as it sounds) is no good reason at all!`` That is a blatant contradiction. First you say it exists for no reason and then you say it exists for a reason.
aye these fools dont read the bible or just dont understand it which proves they are stupid or blind. But if you take where it says orginaly god and turn it to satan and then change where it says satan or devil and change it to god the bible would make more sense. OMG christans are devil worshipers they worship a god that wants them to kill people because they dont belive. How much more evil can you get apperently this supercollege person wants to stone u because you dont belive.
You are amusing at best. the answer to your first question is the same principle of Logic you apply for why Logic exists within the world. It is known as the principle of sufficient reason, also known as causation. It has two parts. everything that exists has an explanation of its existence 1. by virtue of some cause, or 2. by virtue of the necessity of its nature. You condemn the argument of the christian based on the first, but then ignore the second which explains how God exists.
We agree to disagree . thank god for the country we live in where we are given the right from a country that's based on the expression of freedom of religion.a country that has been founded on the bases that there is a god.but lets not forget that you are smart and have reason of questioning and thought. where is questions on how to fix this that of what is around you and that instead of how many stars in the universe and where we come from. have faith ,hope there is something after this.
@christopher07311968 'isn't it enough to appreciate that garden is beautiful without having to imagine fairies at the bottom.' More ppl have been killed in the name of your God than for any other reason sooooo fuck him, he's malevolent
@SuperCollege2 Yeah man good job, ask a question and then when it cannot be answered you think inserting GOD is justified.
U haven't answered the question at all, why do we exist? GOD, How was the universe created? GOD, What is the purpose of life? GOD, why do we have beauty? GOD, Why is the colour red not blue? GOD
No one gains from that answer, we don't have a better understanding because of it, you just end the conversation. GOD - that explains it, Nothing else needs to be said!?
@shandcunt That is all that needs to be said! GOD!!!! Read the Bible if you want more answers or a better understanding of Him!! Do some research maybe!!
@SuperCollege2 'isn't it enough to appreciate that garden is beautiful without having to imagine fairies at the bottom.' Shut up man, your God is the devil, that's prollly an insult to the devil though
with your intellect your going to be a bitter man looking for answer with your feeble human mind that cant answer. stop asking question of or from we are or were we are going....and have faith.. no faith no hope? how very sad.. and stop telling or asking what with your supreme intellect that you can read minds of someone from a remark . a rather stupid response that makes you look rather unintelligent.
with your intellect your going to be a bitter man looking for answer with your feeble human mind that cant answer. stop asking question of or from we are or were we are going....and have faith.. no faith no hope? how very sad.. and stop telling or asking what with your supreme intellect that you can read minds of someone from a remark . a rather stupid response that makes you look rather unintellengent.
@RelaxationMeditation u know. That is a pretty good point. But u would have to view it on a different perspective. maybe in the perspective before existence. Because i'm sure that we will ever know if god exists, and definitely know why or how we exist. Good question.
@TiCkToCkMaRiO1473 it isnt a good question - you really need to hone your arguing skills here. Your comment is taking up a place on the front page of comments on an AMAZING video and you can't even defeat this ridiculous argument? What the heck man.
All you needed to do was to rephrase his question once or twice... for example: you exist, so why should the flying spaghetti monster not exist? You exist so why should square circles not exist? Do you see where I'm going with this? ffs
@Dragon0007 dude i'm not really arguing........ first off. Think about his question. Yes i know it sounds ridiculous comparing our existence to god, or as u said( spaghetti monster). But that question is a good point to conclude that maybe our existence is just as impossible as gods existence. Thats all. Even though I am an atheist, i try to get a look at how christians think. Were all watching these videos because we want to know why sane people believe in something so ridiculous.
@RelaxationMeditation All I said was your argument is a non sequitur as it could potentially be used to argue the existence of literally anything. Never did I categorically state that 'there is no God.' You are correct, however, when you say that you can neither agree nor disagree - so why do you seem to be 'agreeing' that God exists? Personal experience?You've admitted that senses may deceive you and are limited... so what makes you so eager to use your experience?
@RelaxationMeditation I think you had better take a look through the comments section again because it wasn't me who wrote that. I would NEVER deny the possibility that a God exists, but I just see no reason to believe that one does...
@RelaxationMeditation I'm not denying that there could be an ocean. And I do see that you're saying the water in the glass comes from the ocean etc etc but that does not sufficiently demonstrate that 'whatever is in the effect must be in the source.' The first challenge is for you to prove that there even IS a source, because this is one of your main assumptions. You are making a lot of assertions and assumptions here with nothing to back it up.
@RelaxationMeditation Yeah you're right. I exist, therefore God MUST exist... right? I can apply this to everything... I exist, therefore a tub of ice cream in my hand must exist! FUCKING HELL IT WORKED!!
@RelaxationMeditation where are you getting this idea from that 'what is in the effect must be in the source?' What is your reasoning for that? It doesn't fit with what we can observe about the universe. Youve applied it to consciousness because that seems to suit your purpose but what happens when we apply it to other things? Humans are sinners therefore God is a sinner? etc
Not only that but you've already assumed that there IS a 'source' in order to make that argument, which is poor.
@RelaxationMeditation whatever. The trouble is not that *I* cannot be reasoned with - if I was shown sufficient evidence to believe in supernatural beings then I would do so - the trouble is that *you* cannot be reasoned with. You've already rejected rationality and logic, and thus you are beyond hope. You have taken up an attitude that is, in principle, detrimental to society and the progress of scientific understanding because you wanted an easy explanation. Intellectually lazy, you are.
Religion is by definition a set of rules that you HAVE to follow. Science is a method of analysis and study. It constantly corrects itself and seeks out new answers based upon evidence.
Science is dynamic, religious dogma is static and therefore has no use other than to keep us constrained.
@RelaxationMeditation Im fully aware of the hard problem of consciousness. And im fully aware that the reductive physicalism and dualism are not the only two alternatives.
But id like to know what the hell this has to do with anything I said or anything you said for that matter.
yeah that sounds like itll be enlighteneing. I mean a blog written by a man so butthurt that his beliefs are contradicted by modern science that he has to reject science to cling onto it.
happens all the time. sorry to rant on your page but i cant on his so this was the most likely way for him to see it, anyway keep up the good work tbs.
so i just finished zack's video and now i understand why you can't comment on it, because he doesn't want people commenting about how completely dodged your questions. also his points are so easy to pick apart that he knew any third grader with a keyboard would be proving him wrong, he actually claims that evelution is not possible and we have proof that it happens(a brown moth migrates to a snow covered landscape over time the moth's color changes to white. this is a form of evolution) and it
Since I can't comment on Zack's vid... this whole argument is futile (both sides). logic is a tool. This discussion centers around deduction which if you read the previous 3k years of philosophy up till now ultimately fails (you can always find an exception of the initial presupposition). Induction has shown to be less presumptuous but can not prove anything. Both of u spend to much time dabbling in absolutes when in this day and age the weight of evidence merely makes something likely, not true
ROFL LMAO OMG the word "LAW" is NOT "anthropomorphic" AT ALL!!!!! Better RE-name this video "LORD of NO LOGIC" Anthropomorphism is when we combined a human characteristic or form with a non human form, like Pan, Santa Clause or the Tooth Fairy. Anthro means "human" and "morph" means to change form (phase) thus the two forms united as one anthropomorphic NEW form that combines human with non human traits. So an example would be to bring to life a pencil and give it human arms and face etc. :)
No i stood under your video, therefore I do understand it! Your videos begins with "WHY DOES GOD EXIST, instead of NOT existing" So, already you are not using logic nor wisdom, but using OPINION, ASSumption and BELief! because the logical fact is that GOD DOES NOT EXIST AT ALL, thus the reason there is NO proof AT ALL, because the PROOF proves there is NOT. We can dream, wish and want to BEL EVE, but that is not fact nor proof! So you are welcome that I educated you on the etymology of the words
You talk and ASSume that GOD is REAL first of all, and then call god a HE as in a male who has a penis, who does HE use it one? Is it a big penis? does he have sex on a cloud? YOU guys know nothing of wisdom no logic, at ALL! The nerve of a human who can not even understand which came first the chicken or the egg, yet can quote the words and the will of god HIMself? You BEL EVE in the EVE of EL because of the Bible, named after the TWO BULLS or the BI-BULL Saturn EL
Wow, you clearly aren't paying attention... He's refuting TAG. TB is an atheist constructing a reductio ad absurdum. Perhaps, if you're going to claim people "know nothing of wisdom no logic", you'd be better served to actually LISTEN to what's being discussed.
@blackplatypus No i stood under your video, therefore I do understand it! Your videos begins with "WHY DOES GOD EXIST, instead of NOT existing" So, already you are not using logic nor wisdom, but using OPINION, ASSumption and BELief! because the logical fact is that GOD DOES NOT EXIST AT ALL, thus the reason there is NO proof AT ALL, because the PROOF proves there is NOT. We can dream, wish and want to BEL EVE, that is not fact nor proof! So you are welcome that I educated you on the etymology
@blackplatypus ROFL, I have reduced my self, because I was seduced into the deep abyss of BULLSHIT, your theologies & philosophies are nothing more than the old RAM and BULL, called "rambling" because you ramble and babel, but your book smart programing has left your mindless psychology useless! By listening to this I have reduced my self to an absurd bull terd! So I CAN PROVE that god does not exist 100% and you can NOT prove that "HE" does, period! Anthropomorphic Bullshit! :)
Theists should WANT their god to be contradictory, I figure. They should want it to be able to create a boulder so big it can/can't lift it simultaneously. If that god "created" the laws of logic that prohibit such actions, as I've heard many claim, it shouldn't be bound by them.
I love the fact that christians always say something cannot come from nothing. Really? Where did God from? No matter what worldview you have something came from nothing essentially. God came from nothing according to christians. He just was, is...whatever. They don't like scientific facts or at least good evidence of evolution, but they believe the same line of thinking when they feel their 'god' spoke, and the universe banged into existence.
Look into the double slit experiment sir... it shows how we create the world around us via our intentions.... It has been repeated nearly 7000 times last time I checked..
God exist out of mankinds illogical need to make him exist. I've always believed it was man's ego that needs god to exist. Man is so "important" to himself that he will not entertain the idea that once he's dead, it's over. This life is the only chance you get. I was raised very "baptist" The true study of relegion is what can turn a theist into an atheist. But only if you have a logical mind to begin with. Thor used to be blamed for thunder and lightening, now it's jehovah.
I bet you hate That goe tee. You dont look right with it and you dont look right with out it. I bet you look in the mirror going man I wish could have a beard like Jake Jylanhall, or how ever you spell his name. To beard or not to beard that is the question.
Hey talk about the other consciencness. Which you have apparently been able see that if one always existed there would have to be another. For if there is something then there must be nothing, correct.
Does it end? As in if he (God) is beginning, does he or that conscious end? I'm not trying to sound smart, I just want to learn. How can something be absolute, but end? Also when there was just blank as in just, default, nothingness, what starts conscious? Or lets say I accept this absolute conscious. If there was nothing but it, then how could it conceive everything from nothing else but it? Does it even know what it is?Just a first year college stuff looking to grow guy so please take it easy
@NardyPants im the one looking foolish, and your the one resorting to insulting people instead of proving your precious points, bring out the evidence, please.
re: v=Azf41MGRLFg&NR zkue was so bad I couldn't watch it all the way through. It's hard to watch someone be that foolish, especially when they don't even recognize it. And comments were disabled? It's not like it cost him anything to allow comments... except maybe humiliation. I'm still not sure if his responses were deliberate dodging or just the Dunning–Kruger effect.
Answer to all three questions: Because he's God. The "default" universe is simple, it's one thing: God. Always was and will be, But, it's also "simply" a matter of faith. You either believe it or you don't. Simple.
I've read a lot of arguments with and refutations of presuppositionalism, but I've never seen someone make the point in this way. Excellent job, kudos.
I don't see how logical absolutes can be conceptual, absolute and transcendent at the same time. A concept is dependent on a mind and can therefore not itself be transcendent. It can describe something transcendent but can't be transcendent itself. It can also not be absolute in the same way.
I seriously cannot believe the people who claim the Bible as proof or how the Bible converted them to Christianity. Which Bible are you reading exactly? Must be the new and improved version. The one that was turned all around to draw in more people to this dillusional belief. To say that the Bible proves God is just there is awesome. The Bible only proves that man created a God to provoke fear and take control of the masses. God is just there. That was a good one. Such contradictory crap!
Read the Bible, non bias, youll understand that God, is just there.
And you cant go rambling about nothing from the beliefs of one person. How do you explain all the testamonies of people have had death experiences and the LORD saved them?, proove that, and just because your an athiest, dont try to force your belief's onto other people because your scared and lost. boom boom pow, you lose
@SteampunkGrowl How do YOU explain the testimonies of people who have had death experiences and the lord ALLAH saves them? Prove THAT. (thats hilarious by the way, prove what exactly, that people have "death experiences?" lol)
@crackerkiller89 In 1996 I was pronounced dead after an accident.when I got to the hospital,I was told later my heart had ceased beating for 7 minutes.At the time I was a christian.You know what I saw?Nothing,no light to throne no loved ones waiting for me.After I recovered I realized that there is no god.As for those experiences,its the brain liquafying.that causes hallucinations
oh and i find it funny when atheists keep saying oh so god did this for no reason? blah blah blah hey you are all saying that we live for no reason, which isnt true because there has to be a reason why everything is here because if there wasnt a reason then we wouldnt be here, everything has a reason. whether god is true or not, everything has a reason. but let me ask, why try disproving something you cannot disprove? christians cant physically prove god cause he is proven internally, trust me.
@YouRejoice Let me ask you a question, and it might shock you. Why most everything have a reason? Secondly, I can disprove God by the simple fact that his soul reliance and soul being hinges on one word. Faith, let's talk about faith...because you don't know god exists. Why should I have to believe God exists, why must I have faith to believe that something exists when it simply should. Religion without faith is an empty husk, it's a set of twisted morals for humans to put there own logic into.
@YouRejoice True. Everything has a reason - it's called cause and effect.
My question is - how can you be sure that your internal proof isn't just a delusion?
When scientists prove something they use objective instruments to do measurements.
Your measuring device, your body, is constantly being disturbed by your own mind. You can with one thought alone get an erection and feel arousal - so you can with your own mind alone create your own internal proof of god or religious experience.
yup that would be a simple explanation IF IT WAS A NORMAL HUMAN FEELING but no it is not when someone feels God its not explainable its not even a human kind of happy its this feeling so intense that the only thing u can compare it to is love but its not a normal love feeling its just indescribable lets just put it this way when you feel it you KNOW WITHOUT A SLIGHTEST DOUBT it came from God dont u think we've tried to explain it with your explanation one problem IT JUST DOESNT FIT!@tf08js2
@cholo123321 It is in fact a normal human feeling, caused by the brain. We can study the brain and see what happens whenever someone has a religious experience, looks perfectly normal. Even better:scientists found out that the pattern of stimulation in the brain is quite consistent. Consistent enough to allow people to have an actual religious experience whenever specific regions of the brain are stimulated (by a magnetic field for example).
who said an instrument cant detect it? and who says it wouldnt look normal on a scan? ALSO who says the main experience is measurable the rest of emotions that accompany those feelings would be measurable but not the unexplainable part that isnt a good argument because no one ever said u couldnt measure the experience to begin with what u should be asking yourself is WHY DO U CARE ?@Adhemar05
@cholo123321 I see you conveniently skipped the last part of my comment. Scientists developed a helmet which can stimulate specific areas in the brain, thereby inducing the feeling you mentioned. You said is wasn't a normal human feeling, I dont see how it isn't normal; It can be seen in the brain, the patterns are somewhat consistent and it can be induced artificially. No god or spiritual stuff needed, at all. I care because I'm bored, and because you are presenting your own opinions as facts.
the only reason atheists are atheists and dont believe there is a god is because they dont know what theyre talking about, meaning they dont understand, they only understand out of context meaning not the truth. i should know, i was an atheist. and i sat down and read the bible for a laugh one day and i was gonna kill christianity with science and then i found that everything in the bible is logical and correct. take some time to read it atheists, and connect it to human life.
@YouRejoice Riiight, I'm an atheist and I have as well, I have book marks in my bible indicating parts that I actually did research into. Yet, unlike you I'm not an idiot who believers the sheep, or thinks the junk written down in the bible is truth. in fact, why submit your self to slavery when you can be entirely free.
@YouRejoice It's funny. There are christians who believe in God until they read the bible - because it isn't logical and correct. I call BS on your statement.
@tf08js2 its only because they dont take the time to understand what it says. hello, i was atheist when i read it! i was looking in it for a joke to make fun of the christians i knew but when i read it i actually applied it to life and science and i read it slowly. the only reason you think its not logical is because you never have taken time to actually look in it and understand. I call total bs on your ignorant statement because pal i was atheist when i read it.
@YouRejoice I recommend you watch the whole series of how a christian lost god - from his perspective, but here is an excerpt where his faith was shaken to its core AFTER he read the bible: watch?v=70SYwkoH_yc&feature=related
And to be honest, you can read the bible carefully without being converted. There even are professors out there that knows the bible better than you and me - and aren't believers after reading it.
@tf08js2 the only way im a christian is due to science. obviously this person did not understand what he was reading and never had the experiences either. i was an atheist who said christianity was a bunch of brainwashed idiots thinking there is a magical person in the sky, truth is god is not magical nor in the sky and its not brainwash, I converted without the help of anyone else when I read the bible to find a laugh in it, but guess what, my eyes were opened. good try.
@Nardypants wow you just showed your intelligence to the whole world. who ever said reading a book was science? not me. so i have no clue where you are getting that from. but seeing as though this is basically an atheist video id say you are an atheist trying to find anything you can to call me(a christian) stupid somehow, but you fail cause at the same time you are looking dumber than me. like i have said, i was an atheist once, looked for a laugh in the bible and found out it was all logical.
@Nardypants thats the thing with atheists, they either jump to conclusions from the crap that they hear or they get others beliefs mixed with ours and say were stupid and all that or they read the bible but didnt take the time to try to understand it. i did both of those. the guy in this video has no clue about anything he says about christianity, and by the way if you dont believe in jesus, just talk to historians, he did exist and there are more accounts of the stuff he has done.
@Nardypants and im saying outside of the bible. the bible isnt made up stories, now remember i was an atheist and i hated christians. if the stories were made up dont you think that it would have picked up these other accounts since so many of you atheists say somehow things in our bible change? because i assure you nothing has ever changed except the language.
@YouRejoice Your lack of skill in writing correctly only shows your own ignorance. English is actually my second language and I seem to master it better than you.
But you yourself said that you converted due to science and, further, that you converted after reading the bible. The only logical conclusion I could get is that you considered reading the bible as a scientific endeavor that led to your conversion. Either learn what science is or learn to write properly. In any case, you suck. Peace.
@Nardypants you failed at trying to make me look stupid lol heres the thing and i want you to read this SLOWLY...i looked for a laugh in the bible cause i was a(pardon the language) asshole atheist like yourself, and i was going to go make fun of the christian "idiots" at my school but instead of finding something funny to laugh at, it was all logical and it all connected to science. you wouldnt know because your ignorant atheist ass wont pick up a bible and try to understand. toodles.
@Nardypants btw you would believe that in science there is such thing as dark matter and dark energy yet it has never been proven to exist, but all science geeks and atheists keep pushing that it exists, well if you believe in that then dont say god doesnt exist, because neither have been truly proven to exist, you have never seen dark matter or energy just like i havent seen god, so shove it and thats to all atheists. im glad that my life has changed for the better and im not an atheist.
@Nardypants I'm finding it mildly humorous that, in your back and forth argument you have departed from arguing about the actual topic itself, and begin to refer to the person behind the words. "Your lack of skill in writing correctly only shows your own ignorance. English is actually my second language and I seem to master it better than you." This obviously has nothing to do with the topic at hand, yet you bring it into the conversation...why? Prove your beliefs with your precious science.
@MrIneverusethis First, that quoted sentence had everything to do with YouRejoice's retort. Second, I am not trying to prove anything. Flail away all you want, you're the ones looking foolish.
Secondly, your argument seems to contradict itself early on. You ask theists to prove that "God" is real. Reverse the question. Can you prove that said supernatural deity doesn't exist? Both are impossible. Using said logic, I believe that there are no true atheists, and that they would be more accurately classified as agnostic or apatheist.
Once again, I am not insulting you or your beliefs, but respectfully pointing out what I perceive to be flaws in your logic.
@Bigsquid91 Furthermore, Theists are the ones making the claim that a being such as "god" exists, So it is not the atheists job to proof that it doesn't, it's ultimately the theists job to proof that it does. You are acting as if theism is the default mind state of every human. Clearly this is not the case. Religion has to be taught, or proposed,in order to be acknowledged.We both; for the most part agree on existence Except you believe in this one extra force (god).The burden of proof is on you
@PinkYui16 First of all, I was not arguing on behalf of Christianity. Maybe God is apathetic, but that doesn't necessarily mean that he's not there, because, according to Deists, that's how things are supposed to be. Not every religion presents a god with preferences and likes or dislikes. If you look at history, theism *is* the default state of mind. In my next message, I'll include a quote by Trey Parker that I find interesting.
@Bigsquid91 Trey Parker, co-creator of South Park is an intellectual and no friend to organized religion, but here's what he thinks about atheism: "Basically ... out of all the ridiculous religion stories which are greatly, wonderfully ridiculous — the silliest one I've ever heard is, 'Yeah ... there's this big giant universe and it's expanding, it's all gonna collapse on itself and we're all just here just 'cause ... just 'cause'. That, to me, is the most ridiculous explanation ever."
@Bigsquid91 Okay, Explain to me why, we would believe in whatever deist god, over any other possible explanation. What reason is there to say the deist is right, and science is wrong? You also said "If you look at history, theism *is* the default state of mind.". Really? Explain what you mean by this. When i said "Default state of mind" I was referring to the fact that no one is born, with pre-knowledge or understanding of the concept of a god or even religion for that matter.
@PinkYui16 Look at how long humanity has existed (I personally don't claim to know how long that is, as I believe that all science, secular and religious, has no way of accurately knowing). Look at every culture. There has been no culture without a religion. Mankind is made to acknowledge a higher power. They often dress that power up with their culture and preferences, but they acknowledge it. If religion was not inherent to mankind, then explain why it has prevailed since the earlies times.
@Bigsquid91 We do have ways of knowing how accurately knowing how old our earth and humans are through radiometric dating and fossil records. Humans are not "Made" to acknowledge anything. Early cultures experienced natural conditions such as storms, death, and other things they did not understand at the time, So it's only natural that they would attribute such things to a Higher power. for example, we used to think rain was the work of a god, Now we know about evaporation.
@Bigsquid91 Cont. So humans have always, and still do attribute things we do not yet understand, to a higher power. But of course, this alone does not mean, that said higher power exists. We've grown up in cultures where these religious beliefs were passed down and refined over time to correspond with our times (To a certain degree). I really don't understand how you find "Higher powers were always thought of in older cultures, therefore religion is true" As sound reasoning.
@PinkYui16 We have likewise refined science over the years, but it would be foolish to assume that it can answer all the questions that we have relied on religion to answer. Mankind is not omnipotent. Science is an invention of humanity, and is therefore subject to error, change, revision, and refinement as well as religion. I am not arguing on behalf of religion, as religion is a creation of mankind, but instead arguing against atheism, in which mankind is the supreme being.
@Bigsquid91 Clarification. I leant that science is subject to all those things just as much as religion is, not that science is subject to religion. The words were arranged in a confusing order.
@Bigsquid91 Cont) Based on the outlook if their own religion. Which isn't an answer, especially since religion itself, stands on belief and faith without evidence. Furthermore, Arguing against atheism? Why would you do that? Atheist/ism. Simply means without a belief in a god. Nothing more. So saying that, implies you wish for everyone to believe in some sort of deity. And finally, I don't see mankind as being "supreme".I do however; think that we are all we have.And we must make the best of it
@PinkYui16 Perhaps I should have used different wording. I respect the atheist's right to believe as they want, I merely believe this video to be an open argument against theism, which I feel gives me the right to respond. I don't wish to impose my beliefs on anyone, but if there's an open argument about what I believe, I'm going to respond. Personally, I think we should all believe what makes sense to us individually. No belief, or lack of, can be backed up by logic, so to each their own.
@Bigsquid91 And according to your beliefs, is there infinite unthinkable torment for those of us who have made a different choice? Will your god screw us over for doing the very thing you so gaciously allow? If so, there is no much point in your statement. I mean, I'm sure you are a decent guy who wishes good stuff for everyone but hey! too bad you don't make the rules huh?
"To each their own, but all those who don't like 'my own' are gonna get fucked"
@kamilo19880000 Personally, I don't believe in eternal damnation. The Bible went through several languages before it finally became available to the people during the Protestant Reformation, and there's no telling what was omitted or included. Supposedly, eternal damnation is seperation from God, which, is logically impossible, as God created existence itself. I personally think it was intended to be a scare tacitc. And, as for atheism and logic, we all try to rationalize and justify our beliefs
@Bigsquid91 Again, too bad you aint the big cheese. I guess they couldn't have got from "he who doesn't believe in me will get a pet bunny" to "he who doesn't believe in me will be spear-fucked eternally" by repited translations cound they? I agree though, it's all scare tactics. Separation from god is the reaction to the discomfort I'm expresing, it sounds pretty made up too just so I don't have to worry too much. And invisible guy who cares who you fuck isn't logic no matter how much you try.
@kamilo19880000 I'd say that atheism is no more or less logical than any religion. If it was, religion would not have prevailed as it has throughout recorded history. Remember that all of the ancient Greek philosophers were as smart or smarter than anyone today, and they all believed in the Greek Pantheon. Only 14% of the world's population are 'nonreligious, agnostic, atheist" so I'd say that religion is inherent to mankind.
@Bigsquid91 Whoever said intellect was a popular thing? It's obvious that religion was to spread faster and more efficiently than non-religion since religion used massive wars all over the known world to spread itself. Popularity doesn't make truth though. Inherent to mankind? Agree as well, but again, that doesn't make it true. Think about it for a bit, invisible guy who cares who you fuck just doesn't sound right. Think, too, of how much we've learned about this guy being wrong.
@Bigsquid91 Ok, let's get this straight....Atheism isn't a belief...it's denial of belief through what one could call the science of reason. I was raised with the belief that God existed. Then suddenly, logic clicked in and told me that there is no God, and it wasn't because I denied it. It's simply because all of gods miracles didn't logically make sense, and the evidence and facts didn't add up.
@Bigsquid91 No one ever said science could answer all of the questions, nor has it been refined (At least not for the purpose to get others to subscribe to it for certain reasons).Science is ultimately a tool we use to understand and examine our reality, Religion however; is a tool used to present a preferred and pre supposed reality.And i agree that people do rely on religion to answer certain questions. But it really doesn't answer anything. It simply leaves a person to make their own answers
I'd like to respectfully offer a counter-argument. First of all, you seem to be referring to the anthropomorphic "God(s)" of Judaism, Christianity, Islam, etc., yet you make no reference to the vague and abiguous "God" of Deists and Pantheists. Not every religion gives portrays a god with human emotions, desires, and specific goals. In an argument against theism as a whole, arguing against, say, Jesus, Allah, Shiva, does not give sufficient proof of the nonexistence of the supernatural.
@Bigsquid91 So you're saying that because god commands something that is "good" he does not have emotion which dislikes "bad" over "good"? you're saying that god has no desire? If so why create matter, and rules for said matter? Just because he was bored? This would also mean he is apathetic, to weather his creations suffer or not (Which is not the nature, Christianity proposes to it's god). He has no specific goal,While at the same time,claiming to want to save as many souls as possible?
I've encountered such a question before and wasn't able to confidently respond. Thank you very much, your insight and clarity has been extreemly helpful.
"GOD WERKZ IN MISTEERIUS WAYZ."
Cryforequanimity 1 week ago
Why does God exist instead of not existing pffahahahahah! Why do you exist instead of not existing , is that a logical question LMAO ? Make yourself not to exist please do ! Why , because he is God , the ultimate creator , he doesn't asks nobody or give explanation to another higher power cos he is the ULTIMATE , He makes the rules ! Dont ask stupid questions please ! He has created you and you only have two choices , to either believe in him and obey or not believe in him and go to hell fire
MrCobra811 2 weeks ago
Why bother, the lunatics are running the asylum!!!
TheDano1947 3 weeks ago 2
...this nigga's soooooooooo smart, he's stupid.
letmeseeto 1 month ago
@letmeseeto Is he, please explain???
TheDano1947 3 weeks ago
@TheDano1947 He asks why God exist , which is the dumbest question in the face of the earth !
MrCobra811 2 weeks ago
@MrCobra811 Is it, elaborate please.? The existence of a god is not written in stone and is therefore not necessary to mans existence or his moral values.
TheDano1947 2 weeks ago
@TheDano1947 So if the existence of God was written in a stone that would be sufficent evidence for you ! We can write it in a stone no problem , if thats what you are looking for ! Why do you exist ? did you choose to exist , did you sign some papers to exist or you had no choice ? You had no choice cos God made you , and now you have two choices , obey and go to paradise or disobey and go to hell fire , just do the maths whichever suits you !
MrCobra811 1 week ago
@MrCobra811 Written in stone or engraved in steel does not equate to the existence of a child like god. That I exist is all that matters and if I didn't exist the question would be moot. An eternity of praising and glorifying an insecure god is not my idea of paradise. And why do morons bring up math. Believe or not, if such a being existed heaven or hell would be 6 of one half a dozen of the other.
TheDano1947 1 week ago
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This was your last comment remember
The existence of a god is not written in stone and is therefore not necessary to mans existence or his moral values. TheDano1947 1 day ago
Now your new comment:
Written in stone or engraved in steel does not equate to the existence of a child like god
You contradict yourself clearly , those were the comments u made , you change your words as you go along and you don't realise that you contradict yourself ! Well Hmmm
MrCobra811 1 week ago
86 Christians are scratching their heads
Category120 3 months ago
the original video made no sense at all! for 5 minutes he just explained how a rock was not a fish and atheists are wrong, in an annoying voice, withut explaining any of his arguments
lowtone10 3 months ago
Another stapler? Medammit...
risingstar4948 3 months ago
well, isnt it a scientific idea that matter and/or energy pops in and out of existence? so which is more likely. that it happens for a reason, or that it happens for no reason?
we're conscious, so is it logical to assume, there's no other conscientiousness' in the universe?
ppl who had near death experience (they are effectively brain dead) tell various stories, how they been to other places. since they are brain dead. scientifically they couldnt have experienced anything.
elmondark 3 months ago
@elmondark so their consciousness must have been detached from the brain. through quantum mechanics that can happen, because a particle can be in multiple places at the same time. so if our consciousness' can be outside our brain. couldnt there be a consciousness that exists without a body?
im not religious, and i dont believe in god. just asking :p
elmondark 3 months ago
@elmondark ...*sigh* Near death experiences are explained through the fact that dying brains tend to give hallucinations en masse. It's simply really. Far as 'quanutm mechanics' stop using them. you don't know the first thing about quantum mechanics, trust me on this, most scientists...don't know quantum mechanics. It's completely unknown territory. And no, nobody's assuming there's 'no other consciousness in the universe'. that's...silly.
BigLundi 3 months ago
God is exist for His Glory! God wills and reasons are all for His Glory!
created4goodwrks 4 months ago
@created4goodwrks Apparently his Glory isn't include His grammar.
RussianAssassin21 3 months ago
@RussianAssassin21 ok smarty pants...so i messed up in my grammar but i'm not God...hello
created4goodwrks 3 months ago
@created4goodwrks You should actually watch some of these videos instead of making meaningless preachments.
RussianAssassin21 3 months ago
It might be important to remember (and I didnt' think of it but it's pretty clear)there a billions of faithful believers around the world. Unfortunately, a maximum of 1 religion has it right. For that reason the large majority of faithful believers around the world are on the wrong path and destined for eternal damnation.
woody5551 4 months ago
So it seems to me, whether you believe in a supreme being or not....
Reality IS.
We are here and now.
Maybe we should all focus then on the here and now and do something about it.
My two cents,
GM
TheGUARDIANMEDIC 4 months ago in playlist Evolution, Creation, Atheism
I love it when punks barely out of their diapers think they are being logical and think they are posing some god-stopping reasoning.
Truly hilarious.
Nice try though.
This whole vid sums up with "why?"
How impressive!
rotfl
lordsong7 5 months ago
@lordsong7 Tsk. I truly do find it sad when punks who think they know anything don't understand the importance of askinng why. Seriously ,this is something learned when one is a child, how can you mock a basic fundamental necessity of thought?
BigLundi 4 months ago
@lordsong7 Nice, if you can't think of any reasonable refutation, resort to some good old Ad Hominem Abusive. Impressive.
ThePzychotic 4 months ago
@lordsong7 You know what's even funnier? Ridicule without reason, which you are demonstrating quite effectively.
thepenguin114 4 months ago
THEORETICAL Bullshit is right.
Logically refuting the illogical... I want my 9 minutes back.
I saw a video by... DPRJones? That cancels all this nonsense out.
If you can't quantify it, it does not exist.. and thats all she wrote.
r0bbinz 6 months ago
@r0bbinz When you say, "If you can't qualify it, it doesn't exist." what does "you" mean? If you're talking about a specific individual, then I'd disagree, as individual minds are sometimes unable to do things that are doable, e.g., Mary is unable to understand algebra because Mary is an idiot. If you mean "you" in the sense that no one is able to quantify something because it's unquantifiable, I agree. I'm assuming the latter?
Best,
Jordan
timeinminutes 5 months ago
@timeinminutes
I mean "you" in the general sense. I was referring to god; since you can't quantify god, he/she/it simply doesn't exist and that can't really be argued.
r0bbinz 5 months ago
@r0bbinz I assumed that was what you meant, but I didn't want to misunderstand you. Thank you for clarifying.
timeinminutes 5 months ago
i love this guys sarcastic facial expressions and condescending remarks lol. subtle yet offensive to the religious recipients. luckily im on his side or i'd wanna kick him in his bean bag......
k0rps3gynd3r 7 months ago 10
i suggest you address your queries with Bro. Eli Soriano, the only sensible preacher of our times, who is OPEN to all questions with regards to faith, christianity, bible, God and morality. He will answer logically and supported by biblical verses and evidences. You can converse with him LIVE. Trust me, many aethiest and agnostics have already talked to him and tried testing him. In the end, Bro. Eli Soriano gave them sufficient and concise answers.
braddveek777 7 months ago
The first question does not apply to an infinite being, God is love so morality is not for us to define. your reasoning is pitiful, there has to be an absolute and infinitie start to creation or we would never be able to define the beginning. Let me break it down for you, if everyhthing or everyone came from someone there would be no absolute beginning at all. stupididty always precedes those that exhibit it. This video is an obvious depiction of your special characteristic.
chica0616 8 months ago
@chica0616 on twitter there is a guy called Bodung you should check him out
hautegirl81 8 months ago
God made the universe out of Love. That's the answer to all of your reasons and all your questions. God is Love, and acts out of Love, which is complete self-giving without reason or necessity... thats why its hard for you to understand WHY the universe exists, because it precisely does exist for no reason! It exists only because God loves it! Which (as strange as it sounds) is no good reason at all!
Spop456 8 months ago
@Spop456 **WARNING: THE PRECEDING COMMENT CONTAINS A FRIGHTENING AMOUNT OF LOGICAL FALLACIES. VIEW DISCRETION IS ADVISED**
rpsmith014 7 months ago
@Spop456 ``because it precisely does exist for no reason! It exists only because God loves it! Which (as strange as it sounds) is no good reason at all!`` That is a blatant contradiction. First you say it exists for no reason and then you say it exists for a reason.
youhazapinecone 6 months ago
i love this
crystalpeth 8 months ago
aye these fools dont read the bible or just dont understand it which proves they are stupid or blind. But if you take where it says orginaly god and turn it to satan and then change where it says satan or devil and change it to god the bible would make more sense. OMG christans are devil worshipers they worship a god that wants them to kill people because they dont belive. How much more evil can you get apperently this supercollege person wants to stone u because you dont belive.
Terlin1466 9 months ago
You are amusing at best. the answer to your first question is the same principle of Logic you apply for why Logic exists within the world. It is known as the principle of sufficient reason, also known as causation. It has two parts. everything that exists has an explanation of its existence 1. by virtue of some cause, or 2. by virtue of the necessity of its nature. You condemn the argument of the christian based on the first, but then ignore the second which explains how God exists.
tojiro12 9 months ago
Wow what looked like TheoreticalB.S.'s most formidable foe,from that video, was his own self refuting argument
cardcarrying 10 months ago
@cardcarrying
care to explain how his argument was self refuting?
SecularNumanist 8 months ago
We agree to disagree . thank god for the country we live in where we are given the right from a country that's based on the expression of freedom of religion.a country that has been founded on the bases that there is a god.but lets not forget that you are smart and have reason of questioning and thought. where is questions on how to fix this that of what is around you and that instead of how many stars in the universe and where we come from. have faith ,hope there is something after this.
christopher07311968 10 months ago
@christopher07311968 'isn't it enough to appreciate that garden is beautiful without having to imagine fairies at the bottom.' More ppl have been killed in the name of your God than for any other reason sooooo fuck him, he's malevolent
tamu77095 9 months ago
@SuperCollege2 Yeah man good job, ask a question and then when it cannot be answered you think inserting GOD is justified.
U haven't answered the question at all, why do we exist? GOD, How was the universe created? GOD, What is the purpose of life? GOD, why do we have beauty? GOD, Why is the colour red not blue? GOD
No one gains from that answer, we don't have a better understanding because of it, you just end the conversation. GOD - that explains it, Nothing else needs to be said!?
shandcunt 10 months ago
@shandcunt That is all that needs to be said! GOD!!!! Read the Bible if you want more answers or a better understanding of Him!! Do some research maybe!!
SuperCollege2 10 months ago
How do you even have the logic or intelligence to even argue your exsistence? Oh, could it maybe be GOD?
SuperCollege2 10 months ago
@SuperCollege2 nope, try again
FlipperundLopaka 10 months ago
@SuperCollege2 'isn't it enough to appreciate that garden is beautiful without having to imagine fairies at the bottom.' Shut up man, your God is the devil, that's prollly an insult to the devil though
tamu77095 9 months ago
@SuperCollege2
or could it be that he has a brain which is purely physical?
SecularNumanist 8 months ago
with your intellect your going to be a bitter man looking for answer with your feeble human mind that cant answer. stop asking question of or from we are or were we are going....and have faith.. no faith no hope? how very sad.. and stop telling or asking what with your supreme intellect that you can read minds of someone from a remark . a rather stupid response that makes you look rather unintelligent.
christopher07311968 10 months ago
@christopher07311968 No faith, yet hope. You guys are so emotionally flat, its sad.
FlipperundLopaka 10 months ago
with your intellect your going to be a bitter man looking for answer with your feeble human mind that cant answer. stop asking question of or from we are or were we are going....and have faith.. no faith no hope? how very sad.. and stop telling or asking what with your supreme intellect that you can read minds of someone from a remark . a rather stupid response that makes you look rather unintellengent.
christopher07311968 10 months ago
@christopher07311968 'Oh, you aren't even ripe yet! I don't need any sour grapes.' :)
jillum89 10 months ago
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@RelaxationMeditation u know. That is a pretty good point. But u would have to view it on a different perspective. maybe in the perspective before existence. Because i'm sure that we will ever know if god exists, and definitely know why or how we exist. Good question.
TiCkToCkMaRiO1473 11 months ago
@TiCkToCkMaRiO1473 it isnt a good question - you really need to hone your arguing skills here. Your comment is taking up a place on the front page of comments on an AMAZING video and you can't even defeat this ridiculous argument? What the heck man.
All you needed to do was to rephrase his question once or twice... for example: you exist, so why should the flying spaghetti monster not exist? You exist so why should square circles not exist? Do you see where I'm going with this? ffs
Dragon0007 10 months ago
@Dragon0007 dude i'm not really arguing........ first off. Think about his question. Yes i know it sounds ridiculous comparing our existence to god, or as u said( spaghetti monster). But that question is a good point to conclude that maybe our existence is just as impossible as gods existence. Thats all. Even though I am an atheist, i try to get a look at how christians think. Were all watching these videos because we want to know why sane people believe in something so ridiculous.
TiCkToCkMaRiO1473 10 months ago
@Dragon0007 actually now after reading this guys comments, he is an idiot, lol.
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RelaxationMeditation 10 months ago
@RelaxationMeditation All I said was your argument is a non sequitur as it could potentially be used to argue the existence of literally anything. Never did I categorically state that 'there is no God.' You are correct, however, when you say that you can neither agree nor disagree - so why do you seem to be 'agreeing' that God exists? Personal experience?You've admitted that senses may deceive you and are limited... so what makes you so eager to use your experience?
Agnostic = rational.
Dragon0007 10 months ago
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RelaxationMeditation 10 months ago
@RelaxationMeditation I think you had better take a look through the comments section again because it wasn't me who wrote that. I would NEVER deny the possibility that a God exists, but I just see no reason to believe that one does...
Dragon0007 10 months ago
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@RelaxationMeditation I'm not denying that there could be an ocean. And I do see that you're saying the water in the glass comes from the ocean etc etc but that does not sufficiently demonstrate that 'whatever is in the effect must be in the source.' The first challenge is for you to prove that there even IS a source, because this is one of your main assumptions. You are making a lot of assertions and assumptions here with nothing to back it up.
Also, the tree is not INSIDE the seed.
Dragon0007 10 months ago
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RelaxationMeditation 10 months ago
@RelaxationMeditation Yeah you're right. I exist, therefore God MUST exist... right? I can apply this to everything... I exist, therefore a tub of ice cream in my hand must exist! FUCKING HELL IT WORKED!!
Get back to school you moron.
Dragon0007 10 months ago
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RelaxationMeditation 10 months ago
@RelaxationMeditation where are you getting this idea from that 'what is in the effect must be in the source?' What is your reasoning for that? It doesn't fit with what we can observe about the universe. Youve applied it to consciousness because that seems to suit your purpose but what happens when we apply it to other things? Humans are sinners therefore God is a sinner? etc
Not only that but you've already assumed that there IS a 'source' in order to make that argument, which is poor.
Dragon0007 10 months ago
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RelaxationMeditation 10 months ago
@RelaxationMeditation whatever. The trouble is not that *I* cannot be reasoned with - if I was shown sufficient evidence to believe in supernatural beings then I would do so - the trouble is that *you* cannot be reasoned with. You've already rejected rationality and logic, and thus you are beyond hope. You have taken up an attitude that is, in principle, detrimental to society and the progress of scientific understanding because you wanted an easy explanation. Intellectually lazy, you are.
Dragon0007 10 months ago
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RelaxationMeditation 11 months ago
@RelaxationMeditation
your argument presupposes that god is the source in the first place.
SecularNumanist 8 months ago
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@RelaxationMeditation
well i guess if you avoid answering the question and then redefine dogma which has no method as a type of science then you could win any argument!
bravo ten points to gryffindor
SecularNumanist 8 months ago
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@RelaxationMeditation
Religion is by definition a set of rules that you HAVE to follow. Science is a method of analysis and study. It constantly corrects itself and seeks out new answers based upon evidence.
Science is dynamic, religious dogma is static and therefore has no use other than to keep us constrained.
SecularNumanist 8 months ago
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RelaxationMeditation 8 months ago
@RelaxationMeditation Im fully aware of the hard problem of consciousness. And im fully aware that the reductive physicalism and dualism are not the only two alternatives.
But id like to know what the hell this has to do with anything I said or anything you said for that matter.
SecularNumanist 8 months ago
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@RelaxationMeditation
yeah that sounds like itll be enlighteneing. I mean a blog written by a man so butthurt that his beliefs are contradicted by modern science that he has to reject science to cling onto it.
SecularNumanist 8 months ago
Did you just say we created logic ? I hope not
blopajmbar62 11 months ago
happens all the time. sorry to rant on your page but i cant on his so this was the most likely way for him to see it, anyway keep up the good work tbs.
jerf241 11 months ago
so i just finished zack's video and now i understand why you can't comment on it, because he doesn't want people commenting about how completely dodged your questions. also his points are so easy to pick apart that he knew any third grader with a keyboard would be proving him wrong, he actually claims that evelution is not possible and we have proof that it happens(a brown moth migrates to a snow covered landscape over time the moth's color changes to white. this is a form of evolution) and it
jerf241 11 months ago
This is a good concise answer - I'll download this to my hard drive - It'll save me much arguing down the line!
Tobytrim 11 months ago
Since I can't comment on Zack's vid... this whole argument is futile (both sides). logic is a tool. This discussion centers around deduction which if you read the previous 3k years of philosophy up till now ultimately fails (you can always find an exception of the initial presupposition). Induction has shown to be less presumptuous but can not prove anything. Both of u spend to much time dabbling in absolutes when in this day and age the weight of evidence merely makes something likely, not true
thejfactors 11 months ago
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@thejfactors "Since I can't comment on Zack's vid... this whole argument is futile (both sides)
It isn't both sides who are making the argument. It's a theist argument. The atheist position IS that the argument is futile.
Tobytrim 11 months ago
ROFL LMAO OMG the word "LAW" is NOT "anthropomorphic" AT ALL!!!!! Better RE-name this video "LORD of NO LOGIC" Anthropomorphism is when we combined a human characteristic or form with a non human form, like Pan, Santa Clause or the Tooth Fairy. Anthro means "human" and "morph" means to change form (phase) thus the two forms united as one anthropomorphic NEW form that combines human with non human traits. So an example would be to bring to life a pencil and give it human arms and face etc. :)
Truthiracy1 1 year ago
No i stood under your video, therefore I do understand it! Your videos begins with "WHY DOES GOD EXIST, instead of NOT existing" So, already you are not using logic nor wisdom, but using OPINION, ASSumption and BELief! because the logical fact is that GOD DOES NOT EXIST AT ALL, thus the reason there is NO proof AT ALL, because the PROOF proves there is NOT. We can dream, wish and want to BEL EVE, but that is not fact nor proof! So you are welcome that I educated you on the etymology of the words
Truthiracy1 1 year ago
WTF? Are you guys AWAKE?
You talk and ASSume that GOD is REAL first of all, and then call god a HE as in a male who has a penis, who does HE use it one? Is it a big penis? does he have sex on a cloud? YOU guys know nothing of wisdom no logic, at ALL! The nerve of a human who can not even understand which came first the chicken or the egg, yet can quote the words and the will of god HIMself? You BEL EVE in the EVE of EL because of the Bible, named after the TWO BULLS or the BI-BULL Saturn EL
Truthiracy1 1 year ago
@Truthiracy1
Wow, you clearly aren't paying attention... He's refuting TAG. TB is an atheist constructing a reductio ad absurdum. Perhaps, if you're going to claim people "know nothing of wisdom no logic", you'd be better served to actually LISTEN to what's being discussed.
blackplatypus 1 year ago
@blackplatypus No i stood under your video, therefore I do understand it! Your videos begins with "WHY DOES GOD EXIST, instead of NOT existing" So, already you are not using logic nor wisdom, but using OPINION, ASSumption and BELief! because the logical fact is that GOD DOES NOT EXIST AT ALL, thus the reason there is NO proof AT ALL, because the PROOF proves there is NOT. We can dream, wish and want to BEL EVE, that is not fact nor proof! So you are welcome that I educated you on the etymology
Truthiracy1 1 year ago
@Truthiracy1
Clearly, you don't understand what a reductio ad absurdum is...
blackplatypus 1 year ago
@blackplatypus ROFL, I have reduced my self, because I was seduced into the deep abyss of BULLSHIT, your theologies & philosophies are nothing more than the old RAM and BULL, called "rambling" because you ramble and babel, but your book smart programing has left your mindless psychology useless! By listening to this I have reduced my self to an absurd bull terd! So I CAN PROVE that god does not exist 100% and you can NOT prove that "HE" does, period! Anthropomorphic Bullshit! :)
Truthiracy1 1 year ago
Thats some fine logic, well done!
CopernicusRules 1 year ago
Theists should WANT their god to be contradictory, I figure. They should want it to be able to create a boulder so big it can/can't lift it simultaneously. If that god "created" the laws of logic that prohibit such actions, as I've heard many claim, it shouldn't be bound by them.
HelplessVictim 1 year ago
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Watched Zach's response... I'm convinced that guy's legally retarded. It's a shame when stupid people are too stupid to realize they're stupid.
cjc813 1 year ago
I WANT HIM TO B MY LAWYER lol
zmyboo 1 year ago
I love the fact that christians always say something cannot come from nothing. Really? Where did God from? No matter what worldview you have something came from nothing essentially. God came from nothing according to christians. He just was, is...whatever. They don't like scientific facts or at least good evidence of evolution, but they believe the same line of thinking when they feel their 'god' spoke, and the universe banged into existence.
HellhathnoFury711 1 year ago
Look into the double slit experiment sir... it shows how we create the world around us via our intentions.... It has been repeated nearly 7000 times last time I checked..
Rasta4LIF 1 year ago
God exist out of mankinds illogical need to make him exist. I've always believed it was man's ego that needs god to exist. Man is so "important" to himself that he will not entertain the idea that once he's dead, it's over. This life is the only chance you get. I was raised very "baptist" The true study of relegion is what can turn a theist into an atheist. But only if you have a logical mind to begin with. Thor used to be blamed for thunder and lightening, now it's jehovah.
RobNLynchburgVA 1 year ago
I bet you hate That goe tee. You dont look right with it and you dont look right with out it. I bet you look in the mirror going man I wish could have a beard like Jake Jylanhall, or how ever you spell his name. To beard or not to beard that is the question.
machinedean100 1 year ago
You look a lot like me and some of my other family members btw. Crap, look like my bro and my dad.
machinedean100 1 year ago
Hey talk about the other consciencness. Which you have apparently been able see that if one always existed there would have to be another. For if there is something then there must be nothing, correct.
machinedean100 1 year ago
@Admonishmints The universe did create itself -_-.
jokervalencia 1 year ago
Does it end? As in if he (God) is beginning, does he or that conscious end? I'm not trying to sound smart, I just want to learn. How can something be absolute, but end? Also when there was just blank as in just, default, nothingness, what starts conscious? Or lets say I accept this absolute conscious. If there was nothing but it, then how could it conceive everything from nothing else but it? Does it even know what it is?Just a first year college stuff looking to grow guy so please take it easy
nickyv84 1 year ago
@NardyPants im the one looking foolish, and your the one resorting to insulting people instead of proving your precious points, bring out the evidence, please.
MrIneverusethis 1 year ago
re: v=Azf41MGRLFg&NR zkue was so bad I couldn't watch it all the way through. It's hard to watch someone be that foolish, especially when they don't even recognize it. And comments were disabled? It's not like it cost him anything to allow comments... except maybe humiliation. I'm still not sure if his responses were deliberate dodging or just the Dunning–Kruger effect.
akaei0 1 year ago
Answer to all three questions: Because he's God. The "default" universe is simple, it's one thing: God. Always was and will be, But, it's also "simply" a matter of faith. You either believe it or you don't. Simple.
MrIneverusethis 1 year ago
I've read a lot of arguments with and refutations of presuppositionalism, but I've never seen someone make the point in this way. Excellent job, kudos.
blackwolf1200 1 year ago
I don't see how logical absolutes can be conceptual, absolute and transcendent at the same time. A concept is dependent on a mind and can therefore not itself be transcendent. It can describe something transcendent but can't be transcendent itself. It can also not be absolute in the same way.
Hedning1390 1 year ago
I seriously cannot believe the people who claim the Bible as proof or how the Bible converted them to Christianity. Which Bible are you reading exactly? Must be the new and improved version. The one that was turned all around to draw in more people to this dillusional belief. To say that the Bible proves God is just there is awesome. The Bible only proves that man created a God to provoke fear and take control of the masses. God is just there. That was a good one. Such contradictory crap!
crazycruiae 1 year ago
Read the Bible, non bias, youll understand that God, is just there.
And you cant go rambling about nothing from the beliefs of one person. How do you explain all the testamonies of people have had death experiences and the LORD saved them?, proove that, and just because your an athiest, dont try to force your belief's onto other people because your scared and lost. boom boom pow, you lose
SteampunkGrowl 1 year ago
@SteampunkGrowl trololololo
Sabohaque 1 year ago
@SteampunkGrowl How do YOU explain the testimonies of people who have had death experiences and the lord ALLAH saves them? Prove THAT. (thats hilarious by the way, prove what exactly, that people have "death experiences?" lol)
crackerkiller89 1 year ago
@crackerkiller89 In 1996 I was pronounced dead after an accident.when I got to the hospital,I was told later my heart had ceased beating for 7 minutes.At the time I was a christian.You know what I saw?Nothing,no light to throne no loved ones waiting for me.After I recovered I realized that there is no god.As for those experiences,its the brain liquafying.that causes hallucinations
ranchai100 1 year ago
@crackerkiller89 I dont know why I didnt hallucinate,but I now know that my belief in a god for 23 years was just a fairytale.I now rely on science.
ranchai100 1 year ago
oh and i find it funny when atheists keep saying oh so god did this for no reason? blah blah blah hey you are all saying that we live for no reason, which isnt true because there has to be a reason why everything is here because if there wasnt a reason then we wouldnt be here, everything has a reason. whether god is true or not, everything has a reason. but let me ask, why try disproving something you cannot disprove? christians cant physically prove god cause he is proven internally, trust me.
YouRejoice 1 year ago
@YouRejoice Let me ask you a question, and it might shock you. Why most everything have a reason? Secondly, I can disprove God by the simple fact that his soul reliance and soul being hinges on one word. Faith, let's talk about faith...because you don't know god exists. Why should I have to believe God exists, why must I have faith to believe that something exists when it simply should. Religion without faith is an empty husk, it's a set of twisted morals for humans to put there own logic into.
GeneralArrow 1 year ago
@YouRejoice True. Everything has a reason - it's called cause and effect.
My question is - how can you be sure that your internal proof isn't just a delusion?
When scientists prove something they use objective instruments to do measurements.
Your measuring device, your body, is constantly being disturbed by your own mind. You can with one thought alone get an erection and feel arousal - so you can with your own mind alone create your own internal proof of god or religious experience.
tf08js2 1 year ago
yup that would be a simple explanation IF IT WAS A NORMAL HUMAN FEELING but no it is not when someone feels God its not explainable its not even a human kind of happy its this feeling so intense that the only thing u can compare it to is love but its not a normal love feeling its just indescribable lets just put it this way when you feel it you KNOW WITHOUT A SLIGHTEST DOUBT it came from God dont u think we've tried to explain it with your explanation one problem IT JUST DOESNT FIT!@tf08js2
cholo123321 1 year ago
@cholo123321 It is in fact a normal human feeling, caused by the brain. We can study the brain and see what happens whenever someone has a religious experience, looks perfectly normal. Even better:scientists found out that the pattern of stimulation in the brain is quite consistent. Consistent enough to allow people to have an actual religious experience whenever specific regions of the brain are stimulated (by a magnetic field for example).
Adhemar05 1 year ago
who said an instrument cant detect it? and who says it wouldnt look normal on a scan? ALSO who says the main experience is measurable the rest of emotions that accompany those feelings would be measurable but not the unexplainable part that isnt a good argument because no one ever said u couldnt measure the experience to begin with what u should be asking yourself is WHY DO U CARE ?@Adhemar05
cholo123321 1 year ago
@cholo123321 I see you conveniently skipped the last part of my comment. Scientists developed a helmet which can stimulate specific areas in the brain, thereby inducing the feeling you mentioned. You said is wasn't a normal human feeling, I dont see how it isn't normal; It can be seen in the brain, the patterns are somewhat consistent and it can be induced artificially. No god or spiritual stuff needed, at all. I care because I'm bored, and because you are presenting your own opinions as facts.
Adhemar05 1 year ago
the only reason atheists are atheists and dont believe there is a god is because they dont know what theyre talking about, meaning they dont understand, they only understand out of context meaning not the truth. i should know, i was an atheist. and i sat down and read the bible for a laugh one day and i was gonna kill christianity with science and then i found that everything in the bible is logical and correct. take some time to read it atheists, and connect it to human life.
YouRejoice 1 year ago
@YouRejoice Riiight, I'm an atheist and I have as well, I have book marks in my bible indicating parts that I actually did research into. Yet, unlike you I'm not an idiot who believers the sheep, or thinks the junk written down in the bible is truth. in fact, why submit your self to slavery when you can be entirely free.
GeneralArrow 1 year ago
@YouRejoice It's funny. There are christians who believe in God until they read the bible - because it isn't logical and correct. I call BS on your statement.
tf08js2 1 year ago
@tf08js2 its only because they dont take the time to understand what it says. hello, i was atheist when i read it! i was looking in it for a joke to make fun of the christians i knew but when i read it i actually applied it to life and science and i read it slowly. the only reason you think its not logical is because you never have taken time to actually look in it and understand. I call total bs on your ignorant statement because pal i was atheist when i read it.
YouRejoice 1 year ago
@YouRejoice I recommend you watch the whole series of how a christian lost god - from his perspective, but here is an excerpt where his faith was shaken to its core AFTER he read the bible: watch?v=70SYwkoH_yc&feature=related
And to be honest, you can read the bible carefully without being converted. There even are professors out there that knows the bible better than you and me - and aren't believers after reading it.
tf08js2 1 year ago
@tf08js2 the only way im a christian is due to science. obviously this person did not understand what he was reading and never had the experiences either. i was an atheist who said christianity was a bunch of brainwashed idiots thinking there is a magical person in the sky, truth is god is not magical nor in the sky and its not brainwash, I converted without the help of anyone else when I read the bible to find a laugh in it, but guess what, my eyes were opened. good try.
YouRejoice 1 year ago
@YouRejoice Since when is 'reading a book' science? At that count, I could be reading Goldilocks and call it science...
Nardypants 1 year ago
@Nardypants wow you just showed your intelligence to the whole world. who ever said reading a book was science? not me. so i have no clue where you are getting that from. but seeing as though this is basically an atheist video id say you are an atheist trying to find anything you can to call me(a christian) stupid somehow, but you fail cause at the same time you are looking dumber than me. like i have said, i was an atheist once, looked for a laugh in the bible and found out it was all logical.
YouRejoice 1 year ago
@Nardypants thats the thing with atheists, they either jump to conclusions from the crap that they hear or they get others beliefs mixed with ours and say were stupid and all that or they read the bible but didnt take the time to try to understand it. i did both of those. the guy in this video has no clue about anything he says about christianity, and by the way if you dont believe in jesus, just talk to historians, he did exist and there are more accounts of the stuff he has done.
YouRejoice 1 year ago
@Nardypants and im saying outside of the bible. the bible isnt made up stories, now remember i was an atheist and i hated christians. if the stories were made up dont you think that it would have picked up these other accounts since so many of you atheists say somehow things in our bible change? because i assure you nothing has ever changed except the language.
YouRejoice 1 year ago
@YouRejoice Your lack of skill in writing correctly only shows your own ignorance. English is actually my second language and I seem to master it better than you.
But you yourself said that you converted due to science and, further, that you converted after reading the bible. The only logical conclusion I could get is that you considered reading the bible as a scientific endeavor that led to your conversion. Either learn what science is or learn to write properly. In any case, you suck. Peace.
Nardypants 1 year ago
@Nardypants you failed at trying to make me look stupid lol heres the thing and i want you to read this SLOWLY...i looked for a laugh in the bible cause i was a(pardon the language) asshole atheist like yourself, and i was going to go make fun of the christian "idiots" at my school but instead of finding something funny to laugh at, it was all logical and it all connected to science. you wouldnt know because your ignorant atheist ass wont pick up a bible and try to understand. toodles.
YouRejoice 1 year ago
@Nardypants btw you would believe that in science there is such thing as dark matter and dark energy yet it has never been proven to exist, but all science geeks and atheists keep pushing that it exists, well if you believe in that then dont say god doesnt exist, because neither have been truly proven to exist, you have never seen dark matter or energy just like i havent seen god, so shove it and thats to all atheists. im glad that my life has changed for the better and im not an atheist.
YouRejoice 1 year ago
@Nardypants I'm finding it mildly humorous that, in your back and forth argument you have departed from arguing about the actual topic itself, and begin to refer to the person behind the words. "Your lack of skill in writing correctly only shows your own ignorance. English is actually my second language and I seem to master it better than you." This obviously has nothing to do with the topic at hand, yet you bring it into the conversation...why? Prove your beliefs with your precious science.
MrIneverusethis 1 year ago
@MrIneverusethis First, that quoted sentence had everything to do with YouRejoice's retort. Second, I am not trying to prove anything. Flail away all you want, you're the ones looking foolish.
Nardypants 1 year ago
God eternally causes himself to exist.
bullmoose1969 1 year ago
Why did God (if he exsists) create everything? whats his reason? does it say anywhere in the bible? was he just bored? ^^
Willibab 1 year ago
zkueker88 need to watch this /watch?v=v02HM_-Dz2g to undestand a litte more about logical absolutes
fmonacos 1 year ago
Secondly, your argument seems to contradict itself early on. You ask theists to prove that "God" is real. Reverse the question. Can you prove that said supernatural deity doesn't exist? Both are impossible. Using said logic, I believe that there are no true atheists, and that they would be more accurately classified as agnostic or apatheist.
Once again, I am not insulting you or your beliefs, but respectfully pointing out what I perceive to be flaws in your logic.
Bigsquid91 1 year ago
@Bigsquid91 Furthermore, Theists are the ones making the claim that a being such as "god" exists, So it is not the atheists job to proof that it doesn't, it's ultimately the theists job to proof that it does. You are acting as if theism is the default mind state of every human. Clearly this is not the case. Religion has to be taught, or proposed,in order to be acknowledged.We both; for the most part agree on existence Except you believe in this one extra force (god).The burden of proof is on you
PinkYui16 1 year ago
@PinkYui16 First of all, I was not arguing on behalf of Christianity. Maybe God is apathetic, but that doesn't necessarily mean that he's not there, because, according to Deists, that's how things are supposed to be. Not every religion presents a god with preferences and likes or dislikes. If you look at history, theism *is* the default state of mind. In my next message, I'll include a quote by Trey Parker that I find interesting.
Bigsquid91 1 year ago
@Bigsquid91 Trey Parker, co-creator of South Park is an intellectual and no friend to organized religion, but here's what he thinks about atheism: "Basically ... out of all the ridiculous religion stories which are greatly, wonderfully ridiculous — the silliest one I've ever heard is, 'Yeah ... there's this big giant universe and it's expanding, it's all gonna collapse on itself and we're all just here just 'cause ... just 'cause'. That, to me, is the most ridiculous explanation ever."
Bigsquid91 1 year ago
@Bigsquid91 Okay, Explain to me why, we would believe in whatever deist god, over any other possible explanation. What reason is there to say the deist is right, and science is wrong? You also said "If you look at history, theism *is* the default state of mind.". Really? Explain what you mean by this. When i said "Default state of mind" I was referring to the fact that no one is born, with pre-knowledge or understanding of the concept of a god or even religion for that matter.
PinkYui16 1 year ago
@PinkYui16 Look at how long humanity has existed (I personally don't claim to know how long that is, as I believe that all science, secular and religious, has no way of accurately knowing). Look at every culture. There has been no culture without a religion. Mankind is made to acknowledge a higher power. They often dress that power up with their culture and preferences, but they acknowledge it. If religion was not inherent to mankind, then explain why it has prevailed since the earlies times.
Bigsquid91 1 year ago
@Bigsquid91 We do have ways of knowing how accurately knowing how old our earth and humans are through radiometric dating and fossil records. Humans are not "Made" to acknowledge anything. Early cultures experienced natural conditions such as storms, death, and other things they did not understand at the time, So it's only natural that they would attribute such things to a Higher power. for example, we used to think rain was the work of a god, Now we know about evaporation.
PinkYui16 1 year ago
@Bigsquid91 Cont. So humans have always, and still do attribute things we do not yet understand, to a higher power. But of course, this alone does not mean, that said higher power exists. We've grown up in cultures where these religious beliefs were passed down and refined over time to correspond with our times (To a certain degree). I really don't understand how you find "Higher powers were always thought of in older cultures, therefore religion is true" As sound reasoning.
PinkYui16 1 year ago
@PinkYui16 We have likewise refined science over the years, but it would be foolish to assume that it can answer all the questions that we have relied on religion to answer. Mankind is not omnipotent. Science is an invention of humanity, and is therefore subject to error, change, revision, and refinement as well as religion. I am not arguing on behalf of religion, as religion is a creation of mankind, but instead arguing against atheism, in which mankind is the supreme being.
Bigsquid91 1 year ago
@Bigsquid91 Clarification. I leant that science is subject to all those things just as much as religion is, not that science is subject to religion. The words were arranged in a confusing order.
Bigsquid91 1 year ago
@Bigsquid91 Cont) Based on the outlook if their own religion. Which isn't an answer, especially since religion itself, stands on belief and faith without evidence. Furthermore, Arguing against atheism? Why would you do that? Atheist/ism. Simply means without a belief in a god. Nothing more. So saying that, implies you wish for everyone to believe in some sort of deity. And finally, I don't see mankind as being "supreme".I do however; think that we are all we have.And we must make the best of it
PinkYui16 1 year ago
@PinkYui16 Perhaps I should have used different wording. I respect the atheist's right to believe as they want, I merely believe this video to be an open argument against theism, which I feel gives me the right to respond. I don't wish to impose my beliefs on anyone, but if there's an open argument about what I believe, I'm going to respond. Personally, I think we should all believe what makes sense to us individually. No belief, or lack of, can be backed up by logic, so to each their own.
Bigsquid91 1 year ago
@Bigsquid91 And according to your beliefs, is there infinite unthinkable torment for those of us who have made a different choice? Will your god screw us over for doing the very thing you so gaciously allow? If so, there is no much point in your statement. I mean, I'm sure you are a decent guy who wishes good stuff for everyone but hey! too bad you don't make the rules huh?
"To each their own, but all those who don't like 'my own' are gonna get fucked"
I think logic is central to atheism btw.
kamilo19880000 1 year ago
@kamilo19880000 Personally, I don't believe in eternal damnation. The Bible went through several languages before it finally became available to the people during the Protestant Reformation, and there's no telling what was omitted or included. Supposedly, eternal damnation is seperation from God, which, is logically impossible, as God created existence itself. I personally think it was intended to be a scare tacitc. And, as for atheism and logic, we all try to rationalize and justify our beliefs
Bigsquid91 1 year ago
@Bigsquid91 Again, too bad you aint the big cheese. I guess they couldn't have got from "he who doesn't believe in me will get a pet bunny" to "he who doesn't believe in me will be spear-fucked eternally" by repited translations cound they? I agree though, it's all scare tactics. Separation from god is the reaction to the discomfort I'm expresing, it sounds pretty made up too just so I don't have to worry too much. And invisible guy who cares who you fuck isn't logic no matter how much you try.
kamilo19880000 1 year ago
@kamilo19880000 I'd say that atheism is no more or less logical than any religion. If it was, religion would not have prevailed as it has throughout recorded history. Remember that all of the ancient Greek philosophers were as smart or smarter than anyone today, and they all believed in the Greek Pantheon. Only 14% of the world's population are 'nonreligious, agnostic, atheist" so I'd say that religion is inherent to mankind.
Bigsquid91 1 year ago
@Bigsquid91 Whoever said intellect was a popular thing? It's obvious that religion was to spread faster and more efficiently than non-religion since religion used massive wars all over the known world to spread itself. Popularity doesn't make truth though. Inherent to mankind? Agree as well, but again, that doesn't make it true. Think about it for a bit, invisible guy who cares who you fuck just doesn't sound right. Think, too, of how much we've learned about this guy being wrong.
kamilo19880000 1 year ago
@Bigsquid91 Ok, let's get this straight....Atheism isn't a belief...it's denial of belief through what one could call the science of reason. I was raised with the belief that God existed. Then suddenly, logic clicked in and told me that there is no God, and it wasn't because I denied it. It's simply because all of gods miracles didn't logically make sense, and the evidence and facts didn't add up.
GeneralArrow 1 year ago
@Bigsquid91 No one ever said science could answer all of the questions, nor has it been refined (At least not for the purpose to get others to subscribe to it for certain reasons).Science is ultimately a tool we use to understand and examine our reality, Religion however; is a tool used to present a preferred and pre supposed reality.And i agree that people do rely on religion to answer certain questions. But it really doesn't answer anything. It simply leaves a person to make their own answers
PinkYui16 1 year ago
I'd like to respectfully offer a counter-argument. First of all, you seem to be referring to the anthropomorphic "God(s)" of Judaism, Christianity, Islam, etc., yet you make no reference to the vague and abiguous "God" of Deists and Pantheists. Not every religion gives portrays a god with human emotions, desires, and specific goals. In an argument against theism as a whole, arguing against, say, Jesus, Allah, Shiva, does not give sufficient proof of the nonexistence of the supernatural.
Bigsquid91 1 year ago
@Bigsquid91 So you're saying that because god commands something that is "good" he does not have emotion which dislikes "bad" over "good"? you're saying that god has no desire? If so why create matter, and rules for said matter? Just because he was bored? This would also mean he is apathetic, to weather his creations suffer or not (Which is not the nature, Christianity proposes to it's god). He has no specific goal,While at the same time,claiming to want to save as many souls as possible?
PinkYui16 1 year ago
I've encountered such a question before and wasn't able to confidently respond. Thank you very much, your insight and clarity has been extreemly helpful.
Penndennis 1 year ago
I love your descriptions man!
Wiilovewii 1 year ago