Very good program watch it on Iplayer while you can...even the bloody gamers say they have the problems and people still don't believe in it - so funny! How many people died because of watching too much tv - staying up for 3 day and neglecting babies and pets getting withdrawal symptoms - so startlingly obvious!
@dominiclyddon You're using the exact same bullshit statistics people use for marijuana criminilization! You're taking a vast, vast minority and ignoring the greater Majority, yes, people have died from going on a gaming binge, countless repeat heroic runs in WoW, yes, people have neglected their duties as a parent, or stayed home from work/college, but look at the majority, the majority of gamers are social, perfectly normal people!
@dominiclyddon I'd estimate that 60% of the people you see in an average day, if not more, are gamers, maybe not avid gamers, but have a console and play games to de-stress or just have fun. You can't base a whole subculture on a few mishaps!
WoW and Starcraft 2 featured heavy in this trailer..
Fuck it i'm interested..time to look at BBC iplayer.
We all know games can be addictive, i used to play WoW 13 hours a day back in early 2007- mid 2008 then i slowed down to like 4 hours a day then to 2 hours throughout 2009 until i quit in December 2009.
The subliminal messaging is disgusting the Infamous "Give us your money" from the spirit healers and "Play,work,play..Obey" mixed into the soundtrack.
@TigerMilitia thats not an addiction,theres a difference,for instance, you can be a alcoholic yet not be classed as "addicted" to alcohol the difference is that you must be waned of a addiction like smoking or drugs. you dont drink less and less alcohol to come of it.
Why did this entire show focus on kids/teenagers? Perhaps if Panorama did a little research they would find out the average British gamer is 33 years old.
@cmwissy where is your source for that? as i believe the average gamer is much younger and teens make up the majority of the popular mmo and online games, while adults generally choose less 'addicting' type of games.
I dont give a shit! If im adictid to friken video games BULLSHIT this is if kids want to play video games let them well not for too long but bullshit it is adictid bloody stupid!!!!.
A lot more people watch the BBC then play video games so are they excessive BBC watcher? i have feeling they wont like it if i say people are getting some kind of a addiction from watching the BBC so it should be under some kind of controlled of who and when they get to watch the channel.
absolutely is addicting and a waste of time, but like my stand on drugs and everything else whataver people choose to do to themselves, let them carry on
excessive gaming doesn't mean addiction but if it daily playing interfers with your everyfday life then you may well be on the road to having problems...
Having watched this trailer again, another potential issue with this programme (and I will wait until Monday evening to pass full judgement) is that the 'kids' they feature are clearly teens, all under 18 years of age. But then the game clips they feature from 0.10 include a number of 18+ rated games......I fear their argument might be flawed...
I think it's disgraceful that kids sit on their arses, getting fat, not being able to take their eyes from the pages of books. Damn those evil authors for making books so engaging, so fun that kids want keep reading them. One more page, just one more chapter and I'll go to bed. Before you know it, we'll all be addicted to books. Damn the book industry!
So how about them people watching television? Wasting hours upon hours infront of the tube? Unable to pass a day without sitting down infront of the telly and watching their soap operas?
Oh. Right. That can't be addiction guys, that's perfectly normal! Now that new medium, ooh, devil's work I tells ya!
@dominiclyddon You don't get it. Anything can become obsessive. Absolutely fucking anything. Eating, drinking, shopping, collecting, running, exercising, sex, driving et cetera et cetera. All activities that derive pleasure are potentially dangerous. That's why you take everything in moderation. That's why you SHOULD take everything in moderation.
Weak people never blame themselves. They find something to dump the responsibility on. Then they don't have to change. Not their fault, after all...
@Emperor696 You don't get it. Yes everything is but some things more than others...the problem is even 30 mins a day of some computer games can cause problems. Let me put it this way: 30/45 mins of meditation can change your life calming you stopping panic attacks, anxiety, social problems and stress to name a few. What do you think 'some' games do in 30 mins in an opposite way. studies say 2 hours or more a day as addicted which leaves allot of people who are not considered addicted un-counted
@dominiclyddon There has never been a study by any reputable source suggesting video games are any more addictive than any other hobby. These studies that you keep quoting, the don't exist. Stop being a fucking moron.
@Nefariousbig Ok its seems your not a kid your a baby so ill spoon feed you here is a quote: "Dr. Maressa Hecht Orzack, a clinical psychologist of the Computer Addiction Services program at McLean Hospital in Massachusetts, has come forward to claim that up to 40 percent of World of Warcraft players are addicted to the game." I rest my case...fucking moron...
@dominiclyddon World of Warcraft is an an MMO, which are psychologically linked to a sort of addiction, but that is ONE genre. They're just as addictive as other hobbies such as D & D, stamp collecting etc. They are not representative of EVERY video game ever. You. Imbecile.
@dominiclyddon Broseph, only one being a baby right now is you. You're just trying to save face. Are you going to say that you were just pretending and claim that you are trolling too?
@Emperor696 Broseph :O forgot to take ya pills today? I told you I don't care what you do now - would you try to help someone like you - no so please don't talk to me ;P ...carry on taking your info from yourself instead of doctors who have treated thousands of people with the problem and ignoring studies such as : "Computer games stunt teen brains" published in the observer and guardian. Which has a study that says: "23 percent of youth say that they have felt "addicted to video games," ") etc.
@dominiclyddon Wow, really? Guardian and Observer? Those are your sources?
There's no point in arguing to someone that reads tabloids and believes every word they print. Especially when talking about science.
I'll whisper a secret to you. Newspapers are the to be sold. They'll get those sales on a regular, daily basis by any means necessary, and those means for the most part are large, scandalous headlines like the crap you quoted. Such articles are completely and utterly worthless.
@Emperor696 Well that wraps it up then u think the observer and guardian are worthless sources anyone reading this will understand this arguments over.
@Emperor696 Just so you don't get people laughing at you in the future the observer and guardian are basically the opposite of tabloids and probably one of the more reputable sources in the world today...
@Emperor696 And just so you know I am not talking about the tabliod size mean but the exaggerate sensational crime stories meaning. The sun is that not the guardian and the observer...
@dominiclyddon And yet, they are still newspapers, they are still mass media, and they still need to attract audience. They need to sell. Sorry, but to find actual scientific facts, you need to read scientific press, not the daily newspaper, no matter how accurate it might be on everything else.
Cure the disease, instead of treating the symptoms. That is how it should be. But... curing the diseases doesn't make money, treating symptoms does. So everyone merely wants it to go away.
@dominiclyddon There is always a deeper, far more serious problem behind an addiction, whatever it might be. People that are happy and satisfied with their lives don't fall prey to addictions. People that already have problems in their lives do. Ever wondered WHY those supposed 23% of kids are "addicted" to these games?
Because their real lives suck. Because their everyday life is horrible. Because they need something to escape with. THAT is the problem. But it is not treated.
@dominiclyddon It's so much easier to just read a newspaper and find a magical cure to every problem in the world than actually sitting down, engaging critical thinking and tackling the real issue. Parents should be talking to their kids, not gasping how they don't listen and chug them full with sedatives just so they don't have to deal with it.
So hey, maybe the parents should peel off their TV screens and actually raise their kids? We have now gone full circle.
@Emperor696 Yes I agree there is far too much bad parenting and this is part of the problem. As I said at the beginning all this needs more in depth studies. And TV is bad in some ways but its mild compared with computer games. And yes the underlying problem in most cases is that they feel real life is boring and the games are better but this usually is caused by playing the games in the first place I have noticed in almost all cases this clears up after simply stopping.
@dominiclyddon No, this is BS. You can't just admit that TV is bad in the same way as videogames (or anything else for that matter), and then just turn around and say "Oh, but it's totally not THAT bad!". Yet again, this same BS only because one medium is far older and more socially accepted.
Frankly, there is not much to debate here. The Panorama episode turned out to be the one-sided witchhunt as it was thought to be. Color me surprised.
@Nefariousbig Ill copy and paste it for you as you seem to be totaly retarded: "some of the new kinect and wii stuff is at least better in some ways" "The worst games being some console and PC online ones such as call of duty, WOW and SC1/2 ." "SOME computer games can cause problems." ................shit man whooo go cry in the corner as everyone laughs at you HAHAHAAH! sweet....
@dominiclyddon So you pointed out some that weren't, and mentioned some specific titles that were, but you still vilified all video games in general in every other comment you fucking posted. And really, it's you that's getting laughed at here. Writing 'HAHAHAHAHA' at your own retarded little comment? GIMP.
@dominiclyddon Best source that shit. Source the amount of people involved in the study, source all of it. Oh wait. It's just a wild estimation of someone with a scientific degree. Guess that makes their word the law without any further evidence required!
@dominiclyddon So, addictive personalities can form a dependency rapidly. Who'd thought.
The bottom line is this - addiction is a medical diagnose and can be applied only on case-by-case basis by a certified doctor. Apply pseudo-science and anecdotal evidence all you want, it doesn't change the fact that such heavy diagnoses can not be dished out like candy. Anyone who does that is not a serious scientist.
The answer is YES! Only 20 years late panorama wtf?! It really needs more studies and warnings - people need to know how addictive games can be. I seen links to panic attacks depression anxiety in studies just to name a few problems...the only people defending the games will be addicts in denial and people working in the industry!
@dominiclyddon no one is denying people can be addicted to games, but there is a difference between addiction and addictive, games are addictive in the same way anything fun is, some people get addicted to hobby trains, tv, sex or a major one, physical activity like sports and running. is this the fault of the thing that the person is addicted to? no. should we remove any possible addicitons from life? no. that means removing pleasure from life.
@Murdats I am not talking about removing them for now just warning people of the dangers like cigarettes! And more in depth studies - I have a feeling that they may find for certain - addiction. Have you not read the studies on the amount of endorphins released and other chemicals in the brain and the massive amount of beta waves produced (basically the opposite of meditating).
@dominiclyddon my point was people can get addicted to anything, that doesn't make everything addictive, and if we were to label anything people could get addicted to with a warning then we would have to label TV's, exercise clothes and equipment, condoms and other prophylactics, all food, everything in a hobby shop, and place signs everywhere warning that activities in those locations may be addictive. that is ridiculous but why should games be singled out? the addiction mechanics are the same
@Murdats All this produces anger anxiety and depression to name a few of the problems. Also the problem is the amount of people addicted and the effects are usually far worse than all the addictive things you stated! People just need to know all the effects thoroughly to begin with...
@dominiclyddon do you know how many people suffer from gaming addiction? let me know, so we can then work it out against the number of games sold...that way we'll be able to assess the real size of the problem...
@pooroldsmiles 97 percent of teens play computer games in a study recently as one example a conservative estimate was 20 percent are addicted some studies say 60 percent i think that's just a little scary don't you?
@pooroldsmiles The definitions of addiction is almost a mute point anyway its the affects and the affects are real. The addiction thing is just a way of defining the problems in one way...even the non addicted can negative effects. Yes watching tv and films have mild negative effects but they pale in comparison to gaming...some of the new kinect and wii stuff is at least better in some ways. The worst games being some console and PC online ones such as call of duty, WOW and SC1/2 .
@Nefariousbig OK kid ill spell it out for you: go to this thing called google - (its quiet useful you know) and type in : study on effects of computer gaming and youll get about 8 million pages do you think I can type all that in 500 characters with no links! LOL
@cgrcmyg wow I made a spelling mistake on you tube! Never seen that before how old are you 5? And to point out in your style: YOU FORGOT A FULL STOP RETARD LOL funny kids...
@dominiclyddon Kid? I'm 18, and I clearly know more about the subject than you do. So don't try and patronise me. And yes, I can google your research for you, and in fact did. What I found was a series of articles showing inconclusive data on the negative effects of video games. Most make no link between video games and negative behaviours. Your point was?
@Nefariousbig LOL I had no idea how old you were just went on what I read here... Im not going to hold your hand through it all I was just trying to save a few people from future problems. Have a look at The WILD HORSES Center Amsterdam and read about some of the people that have attended. This center used to be for drug addicts only. And I dont only speak from what I have read I am a hardcore gamer for almost 20 years all I will say is you will come to understand what I mean one day...
@dominiclyddon No, I won't, becuase i'm not a fucking tit, and neither are the millions of other gamers who play games responsibly and don't get addicted.
@Nefariousbig I was getting the links to type out in long form for you but then I suddenly realised I am wrong and that you should carry on playing games. Yes they are totally harmless you play them till the cows come home yeeeeees ;D ...
@dominiclyddon Funny, I don't see anything on that website confirming or even suggesting what you've been claiming. All I see is a website about helping people who ARE addicted, not showing any evidence that it's any more addictive than any other hobby.
@Murdats I was getting the links to type out in long form for you but then I suddenly realised I am wrong and that you should carry on playing games. Yes they are totally harmless you play them till the cows come home yeeeeees ;D ...
@Nefariousbig I was getting the links to type out in long form for you but then I suddenly realised I am wrong and that you should carry on playing games. Yes they are totally harmless you play them till the cows come home yeeeeees ;D ...
@dominiclyddon you cant (or at least shouldnt if you dont want to look like an idiot) just state things then when asked for citation say google it, if you make a claim, have sources available. it would be like me claiming there are secret government moon lasers then when you ask me to prove it because that sounds like total bullshit I respond with "google it". it makes you sound like a condescending ignorant jerk.
@Murdats I was getting the links to type out in long form for you but then I suddenly realised I am wrong and that you should carry on playing games. Yes they are totally harmless you play them till the cows come home yeeeeees ;D ...
Find it a bit odd Panorama is reviving this old subject. I remember the media raising the same concerns back in the '90s.
Anyway, of course games are addicitive. To some people anyway. Just like anything that anyone could find fun will be addictive to some people. I don't see why we need to look at a few carefully selected case studies to establish what everyone already knows: some people take the things they like to the extreme.
yes the images came from a photographic/video exhibition in Bradford and the photographer was interviewed for the Panorama addicted to games programme.
@jemmamccann I hope this is not a one sided negative show that will scare parents and adults alike, and not harm the UK video game industry as a result.
I also hope footage is taken from gaming related events such as the eurogamer expo and other footage from the london games festival, oh and don't forget the bbc left a review for video games live, and that the bbc make video games now and looking to extend there reach with top gear with two games involvement.
@silverpointed2 right well I have found proof other wise, that these were used earlier this year.
And well I know for a fact the people I know don't make those kinds of faces while playing video games.
Can't wait to see what trash they put on the program lets see if its all one sided and with people to young to play certain age rated games yea I bet it will.
If I see an under 18's playing an 18 rated game bbc will do a one sided argument, show the eurogamer expo you will see the best people!
0:06 pedobear is that you?
ugforthewin 1 year ago
Very good program watch it on Iplayer while you can...even the bloody gamers say they have the problems and people still don't believe in it - so funny! How many people died because of watching too much tv - staying up for 3 day and neglecting babies and pets getting withdrawal symptoms - so startlingly obvious!
dominiclyddon 1 year ago
@dominiclyddon You're using the exact same bullshit statistics people use for marijuana criminilization! You're taking a vast, vast minority and ignoring the greater Majority, yes, people have died from going on a gaming binge, countless repeat heroic runs in WoW, yes, people have neglected their duties as a parent, or stayed home from work/college, but look at the majority, the majority of gamers are social, perfectly normal people!
TheEvetscipELP 3 months ago
@dominiclyddon I'd estimate that 60% of the people you see in an average day, if not more, are gamers, maybe not avid gamers, but have a console and play games to de-stress or just have fun. You can't base a whole subculture on a few mishaps!
TheEvetscipELP 3 months ago
Very anti blizzard lol!
WoW and Starcraft 2 featured heavy in this trailer..
Fuck it i'm interested..time to look at BBC iplayer.
We all know games can be addictive, i used to play WoW 13 hours a day back in early 2007- mid 2008 then i slowed down to like 4 hours a day then to 2 hours throughout 2009 until i quit in December 2009.
The subliminal messaging is disgusting the Infamous "Give us your money" from the spirit healers and "Play,work,play..Obey" mixed into the soundtrack.
TigerMilitia 1 year ago
@TigerMilitia thats not an addiction,theres a difference,for instance, you can be a alcoholic yet not be classed as "addicted" to alcohol the difference is that you must be waned of a addiction like smoking or drugs. you dont drink less and less alcohol to come of it.
Justice3d117 1 year ago
Why did this entire show focus on kids/teenagers? Perhaps if Panorama did a little research they would find out the average British gamer is 33 years old.
cmwissy 1 year ago
@cmwissy
True that but the masses of gamers are kids and teenagers.
They also said the average gamer has been playing for 11 years.(when the study was taken this year).
I beat that average i have been playing video games on PC and console for 15 years.
TigerMilitia 1 year ago
@TigerMilitia
Nope - the 'masses' of gamers are adults. Kids/Teens are actually the minority of gamers.
cmwissy 1 year ago
@cmwissy where is your source for that? as i believe the average gamer is much younger and teens make up the majority of the popular mmo and online games, while adults generally choose less 'addicting' type of games.
christoffff 1 year ago
@christoffff
The Entertainment Software Assosciation cites that the average gamer is 34 years old and has been playing for 12 years.
cmwissy 1 year ago
They actually used a small clip in their intro from one my movies! :o
AndyBoneS14 1 year ago
MY MOVIE! :o
AndyBoneS14 1 year ago
PANORAMA IS SHIT
errosion1994 1 year ago
i love how he has some sort of shit turtle beach on
ConflictsComing 1 year ago
tf2 represent
TheConst4nt 1 year ago 4
Hey geniuses, we are getting addicted to things that made our organism create DOPAMINE, so chill out
Eox3 1 year ago
Love how they've got the biggest downies they could find to feature in the trailer.
TheJonnyMx 1 year ago
This game is a disease - newgrounds.co m/portal/view/520220
Sneaklemming 1 year ago
I dont give a shit! If im adictid to friken video games BULLSHIT this is if kids want to play video games let them well not for too long but bullshit it is adictid bloody stupid!!!!.
UnitedPenut 1 year ago
This looks good. As a player of Warcraft I know that it can be very addictive.
SuperSparkyMark1 1 year ago
I find it funny they air this on t.v the day before cataclysm LOL
MrSnake9419 1 year ago
The faces at the beginning made me think this would be about masturbation.
GitForceGemini 1 year ago
Vote up Emperor696!
GetOnZePointDummkopf 1 year ago
A lot more people watch the BBC then play video games so are they excessive BBC watcher? i have feeling they wont like it if i say people are getting some kind of a addiction from watching the BBC so it should be under some kind of controlled of who and when they get to watch the channel.
Se7enBeatleofDoom 1 year ago
absolutely is addicting and a waste of time, but like my stand on drugs and everything else whataver people choose to do to themselves, let them carry on
trollope4lyf2k8 1 year ago
@trollope4lyf2k8 Your opinion is ridiculous and invalid. Educate yourself.
Nefariousbig 1 year ago
@Nefariousbig you mad
trollope4lyf2k8 1 year ago
@trollope4lyf2k8 If you're going to try and use /b/ slang at least get it right. And no, i'm not. You're a fool.
Nefariousbig 1 year ago
@trollope4lyf2k8 Yep he is and I have changed my mind I think games are good and Nefarioubig should play more of them. Yes more and more and more...
dominiclyddon 1 year ago
excessive gaming doesn't mean addiction but if it daily playing interfers with your everyfday life then you may well be on the road to having problems...
silverpointed2 1 year ago
Please god someone do a documentary on me! I'm addicted to breathing air! I can't live without it!
kreggspam 1 year ago
Having watched this trailer again, another potential issue with this programme (and I will wait until Monday evening to pass full judgement) is that the 'kids' they feature are clearly teens, all under 18 years of age. But then the game clips they feature from 0.10 include a number of 18+ rated games......I fear their argument might be flawed...
pooroldsmiles 1 year ago
I think it's disgraceful that kids sit on their arses, getting fat, not being able to take their eyes from the pages of books. Damn those evil authors for making books so engaging, so fun that kids want keep reading them. One more page, just one more chapter and I'll go to bed. Before you know it, we'll all be addicted to books. Damn the book industry!
pooroldsmiles 1 year ago
So how about them people watching television? Wasting hours upon hours infront of the tube? Unable to pass a day without sitting down infront of the telly and watching their soap operas?
Oh. Right. That can't be addiction guys, that's perfectly normal! Now that new medium, ooh, devil's work I tells ya!
Cure the disease, not the symptoms.
Emperor696 1 year ago 27
@Emperor696 check the affects of gaming vs tv they are like chalk and cheese!
dominiclyddon 1 year ago
@dominiclyddon You don't get it. Anything can become obsessive. Absolutely fucking anything. Eating, drinking, shopping, collecting, running, exercising, sex, driving et cetera et cetera. All activities that derive pleasure are potentially dangerous. That's why you take everything in moderation. That's why you SHOULD take everything in moderation.
Weak people never blame themselves. They find something to dump the responsibility on. Then they don't have to change. Not their fault, after all...
Emperor696 1 year ago
@Emperor696 You don't get it. Yes everything is but some things more than others...the problem is even 30 mins a day of some computer games can cause problems. Let me put it this way: 30/45 mins of meditation can change your life calming you stopping panic attacks, anxiety, social problems and stress to name a few. What do you think 'some' games do in 30 mins in an opposite way. studies say 2 hours or more a day as addicted which leaves allot of people who are not considered addicted un-counted
dominiclyddon 1 year ago
@dominiclyddon There has never been a study by any reputable source suggesting video games are any more addictive than any other hobby. These studies that you keep quoting, the don't exist. Stop being a fucking moron.
Nefariousbig 1 year ago
@Nefariousbig Ok its seems your not a kid your a baby so ill spoon feed you here is a quote: "Dr. Maressa Hecht Orzack, a clinical psychologist of the Computer Addiction Services program at McLean Hospital in Massachusetts, has come forward to claim that up to 40 percent of World of Warcraft players are addicted to the game." I rest my case...fucking moron...
dominiclyddon 1 year ago
@dominiclyddon World of Warcraft is an an MMO, which are psychologically linked to a sort of addiction, but that is ONE genre. They're just as addictive as other hobbies such as D & D, stamp collecting etc. They are not representative of EVERY video game ever. You. Imbecile.
Nefariousbig 1 year ago
@Nefariousbig like talking to a potato like I said before you should definitely carry on playing with no worries please please!
dominiclyddon 1 year ago
@Nefariousbig and please stop crying about being proven wrong your a big boy now...
dominiclyddon 1 year ago
@dominiclyddon Broseph, only one being a baby right now is you. You're just trying to save face. Are you going to say that you were just pretending and claim that you are trolling too?
Emperor696 1 year ago
@Emperor696 Broseph :O forgot to take ya pills today? I told you I don't care what you do now - would you try to help someone like you - no so please don't talk to me ;P ...carry on taking your info from yourself instead of doctors who have treated thousands of people with the problem and ignoring studies such as : "Computer games stunt teen brains" published in the observer and guardian. Which has a study that says: "23 percent of youth say that they have felt "addicted to video games," ") etc.
dominiclyddon 1 year ago
@dominiclyddon Wow, really? Guardian and Observer? Those are your sources?
There's no point in arguing to someone that reads tabloids and believes every word they print. Especially when talking about science.
I'll whisper a secret to you. Newspapers are the to be sold. They'll get those sales on a regular, daily basis by any means necessary, and those means for the most part are large, scandalous headlines like the crap you quoted. Such articles are completely and utterly worthless.
Emperor696 1 year ago
@Emperor696 Well that wraps it up then u think the observer and guardian are worthless sources anyone reading this will understand this arguments over.
dominiclyddon 1 year ago
@Emperor696 Just so you don't get people laughing at you in the future the observer and guardian are basically the opposite of tabloids and probably one of the more reputable sources in the world today...
dominiclyddon 1 year ago
@Emperor696 And just so you know I am not talking about the tabliod size mean but the exaggerate sensational crime stories meaning. The sun is that not the guardian and the observer...
dominiclyddon 1 year ago
@dominiclyddon And yet, they are still newspapers, they are still mass media, and they still need to attract audience. They need to sell. Sorry, but to find actual scientific facts, you need to read scientific press, not the daily newspaper, no matter how accurate it might be on everything else.
Cure the disease, instead of treating the symptoms. That is how it should be. But... curing the diseases doesn't make money, treating symptoms does. So everyone merely wants it to go away.
Emperor696 1 year ago
@dominiclyddon There is always a deeper, far more serious problem behind an addiction, whatever it might be. People that are happy and satisfied with their lives don't fall prey to addictions. People that already have problems in their lives do. Ever wondered WHY those supposed 23% of kids are "addicted" to these games?
Because their real lives suck. Because their everyday life is horrible. Because they need something to escape with. THAT is the problem. But it is not treated.
Emperor696 1 year ago
@dominiclyddon It's so much easier to just read a newspaper and find a magical cure to every problem in the world than actually sitting down, engaging critical thinking and tackling the real issue. Parents should be talking to their kids, not gasping how they don't listen and chug them full with sedatives just so they don't have to deal with it.
So hey, maybe the parents should peel off their TV screens and actually raise their kids? We have now gone full circle.
Emperor696 1 year ago
@Emperor696 Yes I agree there is far too much bad parenting and this is part of the problem. As I said at the beginning all this needs more in depth studies. And TV is bad in some ways but its mild compared with computer games. And yes the underlying problem in most cases is that they feel real life is boring and the games are better but this usually is caused by playing the games in the first place I have noticed in almost all cases this clears up after simply stopping.
dominiclyddon 1 year ago
@dominiclyddon No, this is BS. You can't just admit that TV is bad in the same way as videogames (or anything else for that matter), and then just turn around and say "Oh, but it's totally not THAT bad!". Yet again, this same BS only because one medium is far older and more socially accepted.
Frankly, there is not much to debate here. The Panorama episode turned out to be the one-sided witchhunt as it was thought to be. Color me surprised.
Emperor696 1 year ago
@Emperor696 And yes I do read scientific journals unfortunatly most are not online.
dominiclyddon 1 year ago
@Nefariousbig did you not see me say like 5 times I am not talking about every game... :OOOOO
dominiclyddon 1 year ago
@dominiclyddon No, I didn't see that, because you NEVER SAID THAT: Holy shit you just never stop embarassing yourself.
Nefariousbig 1 year ago
@Nefariousbig Ill copy and paste it for you as you seem to be totaly retarded: "some of the new kinect and wii stuff is at least better in some ways" "The worst games being some console and PC online ones such as call of duty, WOW and SC1/2 ." "SOME computer games can cause problems." ................shit man whooo go cry in the corner as everyone laughs at you HAHAHAAH! sweet....
dominiclyddon 1 year ago
@dominiclyddon So you pointed out some that weren't, and mentioned some specific titles that were, but you still vilified all video games in general in every other comment you fucking posted. And really, it's you that's getting laughed at here. Writing 'HAHAHAHAHA' at your own retarded little comment? GIMP.
Nefariousbig 1 year ago
@Nefariousbig Actualy I luagh at you he is right you seem like kid...
WNixter 1 year ago
@WNixter Why, because my opinions are actually informed, and not retarded?
Nefariousbig 1 year ago
@dominiclyddon Best source that shit. Source the amount of people involved in the study, source all of it. Oh wait. It's just a wild estimation of someone with a scientific degree. Guess that makes their word the law without any further evidence required!
Emperor696 1 year ago
@dominiclyddon So, addictive personalities can form a dependency rapidly. Who'd thought.
The bottom line is this - addiction is a medical diagnose and can be applied only on case-by-case basis by a certified doctor. Apply pseudo-science and anecdotal evidence all you want, it doesn't change the fact that such heavy diagnoses can not be dished out like candy. Anyone who does that is not a serious scientist.
Emperor696 1 year ago
@Emperor696 Please carry on playing please please!!
dominiclyddon 1 year ago
@Emperor696 how about some crack in moderation ;D
dominiclyddon 1 year ago
@Emperor696
Hahahaha that is win!
TigerMilitia 1 year ago
The answer is YES! Only 20 years late panorama wtf?! It really needs more studies and warnings - people need to know how addictive games can be. I seen links to panic attacks depression anxiety in studies just to name a few problems...the only people defending the games will be addicts in denial and people working in the industry!
dominiclyddon 1 year ago
@dominiclyddon no one is denying people can be addicted to games, but there is a difference between addiction and addictive, games are addictive in the same way anything fun is, some people get addicted to hobby trains, tv, sex or a major one, physical activity like sports and running. is this the fault of the thing that the person is addicted to? no. should we remove any possible addicitons from life? no. that means removing pleasure from life.
Murdats 1 year ago
@Murdats I am not talking about removing them for now just warning people of the dangers like cigarettes! And more in depth studies - I have a feeling that they may find for certain - addiction. Have you not read the studies on the amount of endorphins released and other chemicals in the brain and the massive amount of beta waves produced (basically the opposite of meditating).
dominiclyddon 1 year ago
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dominiclyddon 1 year ago
@dominiclyddon I bet you read the Daily Mail too don't you? lol
pooroldsmiles 1 year ago
@pooroldsmiles nope
dominiclyddon 1 year ago
@dominiclyddon my point was people can get addicted to anything, that doesn't make everything addictive, and if we were to label anything people could get addicted to with a warning then we would have to label TV's, exercise clothes and equipment, condoms and other prophylactics, all food, everything in a hobby shop, and place signs everywhere warning that activities in those locations may be addictive. that is ridiculous but why should games be singled out? the addiction mechanics are the same
Murdats 1 year ago
@Murdats Which is why I pointed out the affects which I think people need to focus on more than weather its addictive anyway...
dominiclyddon 1 year ago
@Murdats All this produces anger anxiety and depression to name a few of the problems. Also the problem is the amount of people addicted and the effects are usually far worse than all the addictive things you stated! People just need to know all the effects thoroughly to begin with...
dominiclyddon 1 year ago
@dominiclyddon do you know how many people suffer from gaming addiction? let me know, so we can then work it out against the number of games sold...that way we'll be able to assess the real size of the problem...
pooroldsmiles 1 year ago
@pooroldsmiles 97 percent of teens play computer games in a study recently as one example a conservative estimate was 20 percent are addicted some studies say 60 percent i think that's just a little scary don't you?
dominiclyddon 1 year ago
@dominiclyddon can you explain how they are defining gaming addiction? hours of play? money spent? etc...
And how are they differeniating gaming addiction from watching films, reading books, playing sport?
pooroldsmiles 1 year ago
@pooroldsmiles The definitions of addiction is almost a mute point anyway its the affects and the affects are real. The addiction thing is just a way of defining the problems in one way...even the non addicted can negative effects. Yes watching tv and films have mild negative effects but they pale in comparison to gaming...some of the new kinect and wii stuff is at least better in some ways. The worst games being some console and PC online ones such as call of duty, WOW and SC1/2 .
dominiclyddon 1 year ago
@dominiclyddon so what are the affects again?
pooroldsmiles 1 year ago
@pooroldsmiles google
dominiclyddon 1 year ago
@dominiclyddon You expect them to back up your own points for you?
Nefariousbig 1 year ago
@Nefariousbig OK kid ill spell it out for you: go to this thing called google - (its quiet useful you know) and type in : study on effects of computer gaming and youll get about 8 million pages do you think I can type all that in 500 characters with no links! LOL
dominiclyddon 1 year ago
@dominiclyddon KID??? how patronising are you??
pooroldsmiles 1 year ago
@dominiclyddon QUITE USEFUL NOT QUIET USEFUL, RETARD
cgrcmyg 1 year ago
@cgrcmyg wow I made a spelling mistake on you tube! Never seen that before how old are you 5? And to point out in your style: YOU FORGOT A FULL STOP RETARD LOL funny kids...
dominiclyddon 1 year ago
@dominiclyddon Kid? I'm 18, and I clearly know more about the subject than you do. So don't try and patronise me. And yes, I can google your research for you, and in fact did. What I found was a series of articles showing inconclusive data on the negative effects of video games. Most make no link between video games and negative behaviours. Your point was?
Nefariousbig 1 year ago
@Nefariousbig LOL I had no idea how old you were just went on what I read here... Im not going to hold your hand through it all I was just trying to save a few people from future problems. Have a look at The WILD HORSES Center Amsterdam and read about some of the people that have attended. This center used to be for drug addicts only. And I dont only speak from what I have read I am a hardcore gamer for almost 20 years all I will say is you will come to understand what I mean one day...
dominiclyddon 1 year ago
@dominiclyddon No, I won't, becuase i'm not a fucking tit, and neither are the millions of other gamers who play games responsibly and don't get addicted.
Nefariousbig 1 year ago
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@Nefariousbig I was getting the links to type out in long form for you but then I suddenly realised I am wrong and that you should carry on playing games. Yes they are totally harmless you play them till the cows come home yeeeeees ;D ...
dominiclyddon 1 year ago
@Nefariousbig oh yes and online gamers anonymous 'olganon' youll find lots of helpful stuff there...
dominiclyddon 1 year ago
@dominiclyddon Funny, I don't see anything on that website confirming or even suggesting what you've been claiming. All I see is a website about helping people who ARE addicted, not showing any evidence that it's any more addictive than any other hobby.
Nefariousbig 1 year ago
@Murdats I was getting the links to type out in long form for you but then I suddenly realised I am wrong and that you should carry on playing games. Yes they are totally harmless you play them till the cows come home yeeeeees ;D ...
dominiclyddon 1 year ago
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@Nefariousbig I was getting the links to type out in long form for you but then I suddenly realised I am wrong and that you should carry on playing games. Yes they are totally harmless you play them till the cows come home yeeeeees ;D ...
dominiclyddon 1 year ago
@dominiclyddon you cant (or at least shouldnt if you dont want to look like an idiot) just state things then when asked for citation say google it, if you make a claim, have sources available. it would be like me claiming there are secret government moon lasers then when you ask me to prove it because that sounds like total bullshit I respond with "google it". it makes you sound like a condescending ignorant jerk.
Murdats 1 year ago
@Murdats I was getting the links to type out in long form for you but then I suddenly realised I am wrong and that you should carry on playing games. Yes they are totally harmless you play them till the cows come home yeeeeees ;D ...
dominiclyddon 1 year ago
@Nefariousbig lol - has he made any points??
pooroldsmiles 1 year ago
@dominiclyddon Some studies? Why don't you give an example, i've never heard of ANY study concluding anywhere near that percentage of addiction.
Nefariousbig 1 year ago
@dominiclyddon And sensible, reasonable people who aren't trying to vilify a perfectly acceptable medium.
Nefariousbig 1 year ago
nope i'm not
silverpointed2 1 year ago
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panorama, more like paranoid...
Mist3rDragon 1 year ago
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Mist3rDragon 1 year ago
check the legendary gamesradar take on this pathetic trailer for this pathetic show
pooroldsmiles 1 year ago
Addicted to Shoddy TV? Pandemoniumorama investigates the lure of the BBC.
oryandymackie95 1 year ago
ugh ffs THEY ALWAYS PICK THE ONES WHO SPOIL IT! FFS!!!1 THEY JUST WANT TO RUIN EVERYBODYS FUN!
sirwinsalot 1 year ago
Find it a bit odd Panorama is reviving this old subject. I remember the media raising the same concerns back in the '90s.
Anyway, of course games are addicitive. To some people anyway. Just like anything that anyone could find fun will be addictive to some people. I don't see why we need to look at a few carefully selected case studies to establish what everyone already knows: some people take the things they like to the extreme.
unclejaysus 1 year ago 10
@unclejaysus TV is more addictive than playing games.... but the use tv to spread ther own shit... so the wont docu about it.
And having fun on a game....with out use drugs and still being addicted there is no problem in my opinion
RijenRijen 1 year ago
Lol, they have some strange gaming faces :P
Almost looks like they are doing something else....
joshhodgetts 1 year ago
yes the images came from a photographic/video exhibition in Bradford and the photographer was interviewed for the Panorama addicted to games programme.
silverpointed2 1 year ago
@jemmamccann I hope this is not a one sided negative show that will scare parents and adults alike, and not harm the UK video game industry as a result.
I also hope footage is taken from gaming related events such as the eurogamer expo and other footage from the london games festival, oh and don't forget the bbc left a review for video games live, and that the bbc make video games now and looking to extend there reach with top gear with two games involvement.
It better be a fair argument.
m0dm0use 1 year ago
these kids faces are real - they were filmed while playing computer games
silverpointed2 1 year ago
@silverpointed2 right well I have found proof other wise, that these were used earlier this year.
And well I know for a fact the people I know don't make those kinds of faces while playing video games.
Can't wait to see what trash they put on the program lets see if its all one sided and with people to young to play certain age rated games yea I bet it will.
If I see an under 18's playing an 18 rated game bbc will do a one sided argument, show the eurogamer expo you will see the best people!
m0dm0use 1 year ago
@silverpointed2
You're not an avid gamer, are you?
oryandymackie95 1 year ago
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silverpointed2 1 year ago